Epstein's 'Secret' Girlfriend Hidden in DOJ Files

So, there is a new name emerging in the. millions of pages related to the Jeffrey. Epstein saga that are being released by. the Department of Justice. But this is a. name you probably haven't heard before. Karina Schuliaak. Now, she's not a. victim. She's not a co-conspirator. Her. name surfaces instead in Epstein's. [music]. final phone call from jail in an. apparent secret trust signed just 2 days. before he died. one that was set to give. her essentially [music] a huge portion. of his fortune and his properties and a.

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Meet Tfabric.com/sidebar. It's a name that surfaced at the edges, buried for years beneath layers of. redaction and different documents. And. now we have millions of pages released. by the Department of Justice. documents. tied to one of the most disturbing sagas. in modern criminal history. And right. now, I want to talk about one woman in. particular. This woman has quietly. emerged, not as a victim, not as an. accomplice, but as something different.

According to the New York Times, she was. the last known confidant of Jeffrey. Epstein, the woman that he apparently. called just hours before he was found. dead in his jail cell. And that woman, according to the records, is Karina. Schuliaak. Now, why does that name. matter? Because buried in those same. files is a seemingly secret financial. document signed by Epstein just 2 days. before he died. And this document.

appears to place her at the center of. his final financial plans, outlines an. extraordinary bequest. more than $100. million was set to go to her and also. his private islands, his Manhattan. mansion, a 33 karat diamond ring. described in Epstein's own handwriting. as given in contemplation of marriage. So, who is Shuliac? Well, the Times. reports that Shuliak is a Bellarusian. immigrant, a dentist, a woman who.

remained close to Epstein during his. final days in custody. This is, by the. way, when much of the world had turned. away. She's almost invisible in the. official record because everybody talks. about Galileain Maxwell. But when you. read these financial documents, she is. central to his life, central to the. future that Epstein appeared to be. planning. And the questions now. surrounding her, the mystery only. deepens because also buried in those. files are details that are even more. unsettling. An email from Sarah. Ferguson, the former Duchess of York,

congratulating Jeffrey Epstein on the. birth of a baby boy in 2011. a diary. entry from a teenage victim who writes. that she was made to feel like a human. incubator for what Epstein allegedly. described as his superior gene pool. This is all incredibly unsettling. We're. trying to unpack as much as we can from. the Epstein saga and this deep dive into. what his life was about and the. questions that still linger. I mean, what else don't we know about Jeffrey. Epstein and the world that he left.

behind? So, if you're just joining us or. even if you've been following this whole. thing from the very beginning, just want. to lay out for everyone so we're what's. going on so we're all on the same page. For years, the name Jeffrey Epstein. meant a few things to the public. Financeier, the registered sex offender, the guy with the island, the one with. the powerful friends, but the full ugly. machinery of it all that was locked up. It was sealed. It was hidden in vaults, redacted files. Now, that changed, or at.

least started to change with what's been. called the Epstein dump. It wasn't one. big reveal. It was a slow court-ordered. trickle of documents released under the. Epstein Files Transparency Act. Millions. of pages, emails, flight logs, depositions, police reports, financial. records. A lot of it is exactly what you. would expect. disturbing, suggestive, grim, procedural, and it kind of lays. out what this guy's life was like and. who he was talking to. But in that. mountain of paper, we have started to.

uncover threads that appear to deviate. from the main story here. Threads that. pointed beyond the criminal activity or. the alleged criminal activity towards. what he was building, who he was. protecting, what he intended to leave. behind. And that is where we get to. Karina Shuliaak because she wasn't in. the headlines about the victims or the. trial. She wasn't Gain Maxwell. Her name. popped up in the financial documents, a. trust, a will, the asset lists, the. stuff that deals not with the past, but. with the future, what Epstein planned. And one of the biggest funds that we.

have uncovered is a document called the. 1953 trust. It was dated August 8th, 2019. Now, Epstein signed it while he. was in jail. Right? This is as he was. awaiting trial on federal sex crimes. charges, sex trafficking. And then two. days later after he signed it, he's. dead. And the document was basically his. blueprint for what happened to his. empire, valued at over $600 million at. the time after he was gone. And by the. way, we knew about this document. It was. referenced in his will, which was. publicized. It was mentioned in. litigation over the years, but we really. didn't know the exact content of it and.

what it shows us. It was kind of a. secret. So, this is big. And right there. at the very top of the beneficiary list, Karina Shuliaak set to receive more. money than anybody else, plus all of his. iconic properties. And according to. Business Insider, this document. superseded an earlier trust from just. January of that year, which had named. apparently someone else at the top of. the beneficiary list. So that document, which they say was called the Jeffrey E. Epstein 2019 trust, it's actually no. longer available on the DOJ site, by the.

way. We actually tried to find it, we. couldn't, but Business Insider says they. saw it. And so that would mean between. January and August, something changed. dramatically. Now, that is the document. trail that led us to her and it raised. immediate questions. Who was this. person? who suddenly became the. centerpiece of his final plans. What was. their relationship? What does her. prominence to these files tell us about. Epstein's inner world that we don't. fully understand? What did she know? So, we're going to get to all of that with. our guests, but first, let me just. quickly run through what we seem to know. about Shuliaak from the public record.

So, the basic facts before we dive into. the documents themselves. What do we. know about her? Well, if you were to. sketch a profile from the public. reporting from outlets like the New York. Times, Business Insider, The. Independent, here's the picture that. comes together. She's a Bellarusian. immigrant. She came to the United States. in 2009 when she was about 20. She. entered Epstein's life not long after, which is interesting, right? Because. that was right after he was convicted in. Florida for sex crimes. And this is. again when a lot of his old social. circle had peeled away. In fact, a. source quoted by the Daily Mail claimed.

that her willingness to stand by him. after his initial disgrace, that only. strengthened their relationship. Now, she was trained as a dentist. The. Independent reports Epstein actually. helped pay her way through dental school. at Columbia University. She was licensed. in Florida and California. She was even. linked to a dental office in St. Thomas. that shared an address with one of. Epstein shell companies. Which is. interesting, by the way, because in a. previous episode of Sidebar, remember we. showed you an image of a dentist chair. that was found in a room on Epstein's. island. We couldn't really confirm what.

that was, but it does make you think, does this have anything to do with. Shuliaak if she's a dentist? I mean, you. got to wonder if there was some sort of. correlation there considering her. profession. But here's the thing. For. much of their alleged decadel long. relationship, and I don't know if it was. on again, off again, or what the. circumstances were, Shuliaak was. actually married to another woman in. Epstein's world. I'm talking about. Jennifer Kalan. Their wedding was in. 2013, and lawyers for Epstein's victims. have alleged that his network used sham. same-sex marriages to help associates.

with immigration status and citizenship. to keep it all under the radar. and. Shuliaak and Callum. They divorced in. 2019. Remember, this was right about the. time of Epstein's arrest. Personalitywise, the descriptions based. on the reporting, they're all over the. map. Some sources called her the. inspector, that she was madly jealous of. him, monitoring who he was talking to, his contacts. Others, like author. Michael Wolf, who dined at Epstein's. home, had this kind of friendship with. him, recalled her as quote absolutely. silent in company. But two facts are. consistently reported, and they're.

crucial. First, she's widely believed to. be the last person outside of the MCC, the Metropolitan Correctional Center, that Epstein ever spoke to. The Bureau. of Prisons records show a 20-minute. unrecorded phone call with her the. evening before he was found dead. Okay. Second, the documents explicitly frame. their relationship as profoundly. significant to him. We're not talking. about rumors here. We're talking about. the cold language of a legal trust, the. handwritten note about the diamond ring. in contemplation of marriage, the. staggering scale of this bequest. So, we.

have this figure, young from another. country, professionally established with. his help, legally entangled in his. world, privately described as his. intended fiance, the last known person. outside the jail that he spoke with. That's the who. But to really understand. the why, like why her, why then, what it. meant, we got to go to the documents. themselves. And that is where the story. moves from biography into something. else, something a lot more complex. And. to do this, I want to break it down, but. I want to bring on a special guest, okay? Somebody who has been tracking all.

of the Epstein files that have been. released, Justin Shepard, host of the. Just in the Nick of Crime show, the. podcast. It's amazing. Justin, thank you. so much for taking the time. Before I. even get into this specific issue, I. mean, I have been following your account. for the last five days. Um, you have. been very specific in what you've noted. from the document release. Generally. speaking, what do you think some of the. biggest takeaways are from this Epstein. file release in the last few days? >> Well, I think that it's I mean, it's not.

even that I'm trying to be pointed with. it. There is just so much information. coming out. There are names that, you. know, we we didn't know before. You. know, you're hearing about this secret. baby clinic that he wanted to do. You're. now hearing, you know, things about Bill. Gates and you're hearing things about. Donald Trump and you're hearing things. about Matt Groing, the the creator of. the Simpsons, uh, Jerry Ciphel, like. massive names that, you know, are now. being brought up and brought into this. things about Vladimir Putin. So, it's.

really all over the place. One thing. that's kind of a takeaway for me, it's. it's really insane how massive this. network was, how many very well-known. people are in this network or being. named or were somehow in this sphere of. influence, if you will. Um, obviously. just being in that sphere does not. equate to committing a crime, but just. being in that the amount of access that. this person that Jeffrey Epste had to. these people. Um, and nobody really knew. about it until this whole document dump. started coming out. It it it's just it's.

almost mindboggling. >> And again, let me just put the caveat. Somebody might know Epstein. Somebody. might have been in his orbit per se, doesn't mean that they were involved in. criminal activity or had knowledge of. criminal activity, but obviously, you. know, being mentioned with him is so. toxic. And and the interesting part. about this too, what's happening and. before we get into uh Karina Schulak, um. the Clintons, right, the Clintons have. now agreed to testify uh on Capitol Hill. about Jeffrey Epstein. I was listening. to Cuomo last night on NewsNation and he.

had on Vicky Ward and he asked her uh. you know, what would you want the. Clintons to be asked? And she was. basically I want to know like what were. they expecting from Epstein? Like what. did they think they were going to get? What do you think about the Clintons and. what they might testify to regarding. him? >> So, the Clintons are are an interesting. group of people. You know, Bill Clinton, you know, going back to even his time in. office, even his time as governor um of. Arkansas, there have been rumors. surrounding him with impropriety with. young girls, you know, etc. I'm not.

saying anything illegal, but just those. rumors and speculation have been there. for for decades. Uh, at the same time, when you look at kind of everything. that's gone on with Congress and the the. potential contempt, because I believe. that they were going to vote for a. contempt hearing later this week, I. think possibly tomorrow when they. decided all of a sudden, okay, well, we'll we'll go ahead and testify. I. don't know what they're planning on. doing, but here's what I do know. Both. of them are incred Bill and Hillary. Clinton are incredibly intelligent. individuals. Both have law degrees. He's. a road scholar. She came from Yale. Um,

so whatever they're they're planning on. doing. There was a me, in my opinion, there was a method to their madness in. delaying their testifying and I'm very. interested to kind of see what comes out. of this. >> I think we all are. Um, so we'll see. what happens there. But now I want to go. on to the main focus of this episode. Uh, Karina Shulak. Okay. Is this. somebody that you knew before? Is this. somebody uh, you know, this her name. surfacing so prominently in these. financial documents? Um, A, what does. that signal to you? And B, have you. heard about her before? What do you know. about her? So, I'll answer the second.

one first, which is I had not heard. about her before until this recent uh. you know document um avalanche that we. got. Uh as far as everything, I mean, he's looking at leaving her a 33 karat. diamond. I didn't even I should have. looked up what that was worth. I have no. idea, but I would imagine millions and. millions of dollars. um you know, the. island itself. There was um another $50. million in in liquid assets, plus. apparently he was looking at a a ranch. and possibly a Paris property. So,

obviously, this person was somebody who. meant a great deal to Jeffrey Epste. Now, the reason for that, I'm not. exactly sure. I also find it interesting. that this will was signed by him two. days prior to his death. >> Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that funny? >> It's hard to overlook that. >> Yeah. because um that would seem to. suggest to me that the theories out. there that he was killed. I don't know if that necessarily lines. up. I mean, it would make more sense if.

he was getting all of his affairs in. order and two days later did something. to himself versus two days later he was. killed or, you know, some will say, "Oh, he knew he was going to be killed.". Right? I mean, that does become a. question. >> I do think it changes the public. narrative a bit. It's like either, you. know, he knew it was coming. So that. that means one of two things. Either he. did it himself, which is in this case, I. would say the more likely outcome, or he. knew somebody was coming for him. And I. think that it's probably more the former. than the latter. Um, so let's talk about. this because I think the financial. documents tell a lot of the story. There.

was this shift apparently from this. earlier document in January of 2019 to. the 1953 trust in August again that he. apparently signed in jail just two days. before he died. What does that tell you. right about Epstein's state of mind? What does it tell you about his. priorities? That's what we're talking. about. So I want to talk about the two. fixers that are named alongside here. You So you have Darren Indk and Richard. Khan. And from a legal and a practical. standpoint, their central roles as.

executives and trustees, do you know. anything about them? Have you heard. about their names before? Does it tell. you anything about the structure of. this? >> They're they're another one that I had. not heard before this whole, you know, my information came out. But the thing. about Epstein is you could you can say. what you want. He was obviously a very. vile human being. He was a a trafficker, a convicted pedophile or convicted. trafficker, um predator, but he was. brilliant. You can't deny that. So he. surrounded himself with people um who he.

knew would would you know maintain his. secrets, do what he wanted and even in. death that's I think still stays true. Now to answer your question the shift. for whatever reason he you know um he. really wanted to make sure that it's uh. she was very well taken care of and. other people who were close to him were. taken care of cuz I believe that you. know we have a $288 million estate. Um, he's got 44 benefactors. Obviously, Karina is the one who who is benefiting. the most from this or is getting the.

most from this. His brother was going to. get a 10, you know, $10 million. There. was somebody else that was going to get. $10 million. >> Maxwell. >> Yeah, it was Maxwell. Thank you. Um, was. going to get $10 million. So, these are. all people who were very close to him, very loyal to him, um, that he was. making sure were well taken care of. So, I think that that basically what this. tells me is that these are the people. who he's rewarding for keeping his. secrets, for keeping the structure, for. doing everything that needed to be done. to keep his world operating. >> And by the way, just to be clear, we. don't know for sure why he gave the. money to everybody, whether or not it.

was, like you said, the reward, but it. does beg the question, and I'll get into. this a little bit more. Um, you know, the government's saying right now, the. Department of Justice, there's nobody. else to investigate, right? There's no. other there's going to be no more. criminal prosecutions as of right now. when you hear about her and you hear. about the money that he wanted to give. her. It didn't work out. And I'll. explain that away. I'll explain that, too. Um, I don't know if she's ever been. interviewed. I don't know if she's ever. been sat for, you know, interrogation. >> Not that I've seen. >> Not that not that's been released yet.

At least, >> by the way, she and this is also. something to note as well. You put aside. maybe the conspiracy theories about what. happened, his death. this 20 minute. unrecorded phone call that she had with. him the night before he died. So maybe. the last person that ever spoke to him. What do you make of that? [snorts]. >> I would say that somebody who had. intimate knowledge of him who was in an. intimate relationship who had that final. or one of the last phone calls he ever. had to not sit down and interview them.

to know what they find out what they. know it seems a little suspicious to me. Um it it makes you question why wouldn't. you do this? At the end of the day, yes, people want names. People want to know. who's implicated in this, but at the. center of this, there are a bunch of. victims, a bunch of survivors who. deserve answers as well. And if for. nothing else, this is supposed to be the. Department of Justice. The only way. they're going to get justice to have. answers, and this woman could have a lot. of those answers. So, I'm with you. Why. not sit her down and at least see what.

she has to say? Do a recorded interview. And. >> and by the way, I I know we're still. like they're still going through the. documents. I don't know if there's. something to suggest. Maybe there was. some sort of interview with her or some. sort of conversation. I haven't seen it. yet. Maybe Stan corrected. I don't know. But I do want to go through what we seem. to know from these financial documents. that put Shuliaak at the center of the. story. So you have this foundational. document. It's the Jeffrey Epstein's. last will and testament. And I think. that funnels the money into the trust. But what I really want to get to is the. 1953 trust. So it's the one that names. Shuliaak. And you have this particular.

section and it reads to Karina. Schuliaak. if she survives me $50. million. In addition, the trustees are. directed to purchase an annuity for the. benefit of Karina Shuliaak in the amount. of $50 million. So that is the headline, $100 million dedicated to her. And then. you have this next section 2.3b. Really breathtaking. It lists the. specific properties for her. All of my. interests, Zoro Ranch, New Mexico, the.

island known as Little St. James, the. island known as Great St. James, 22. Avenue, Faul, Paris. 358 El Brillo Way, Palm Beach. 9 East 71st Street, New. York. You know, Justin, these are iconic. properties. The islands, the townhouse, the ranch. This has all been under a. part of an investigation, leaving it to. her. Thoughts? I mean, it's a lot for somebody in their. 30s. I mean, you're you're talking about. millions, you know, tens of million. dollars of property, maybe maybe more.

potentially, but I mean, it's it's a. lot. And and you have to question, why. is everything going to this one person? Why are, you know, why are you not. liquidating it? Why, you know, not. having the state to do that? Why are you. what is the method behind this or the. motive behind giving this woman all of. this? There there has to be a reason. And I don't even want to speculate what. that reason is because I I have no clue. I don't know what's going through the. mind of a mad man. Um, especially 2 days. prior to his death, but it it's very. interesting and and I think it's one.

that definitely deserves uh a question. that deserves a little bit more. in-depth conversation and research. >> conversation with with her perhaps. >> Yeah. And uh apparently there was. another section uh that created a. separate multi-million dollar fund just. for her. You wonder if that's to cover. maybe operating costs for these states. like taxes, staff, upkeep. But then you. go to pages 12 and 13, okay? And there. are what seemed to be handwritten notes. in the margin. So next to the.

description of that 33 karat diamond. ring, the handwritten note says, "I had. given to Karina Shuliaak in. contemplation of marriage in the event. the marriage is not consummated." H. interesting. You know, Justin seemed. like he was going to be long term with. her. >> It does seem that way. And maybe again, maybe that's part of it. At this point I. haven't seen Do we have any idea how. long he was with her? How long they had. been in a relationship? >> So I mentioned before that she was in. his orbit from like 2009.

like so so they had he'd been I I don't. know like when they started if they were. on again off again but they were. basically together for for a little bit. um seemingly um and she had known him. for quite a bit. So it does make me it. does raise again a question about you. [snorts] know what what what would what. would what did she have access to. because so there's been so much talk. about Gain Maxwell right so much talk. about her being his number two his. associate his girlfriend um and there's. not a lot of talk about truly and and.

I'm not saying by the way that she has. any uh knowledge or was part of anything. that Maxwell or Epstein were up to but. again this is this kind of money. transfers are interesting. No, I would agree with you. And you. know, again, everything at this point is. speculation. And it's it's very strange. because things that you would once. have said to anybody else, oh, this is. just an absolutely wild conspiracy. theory. Some of those things are coming. out in these documents as apparently. truth. And it's or, you know, perceived.

truth, I should say. And so, it's it's. kind of hard to even guess what's. reality and what's not with some of. this. But you almost wonder I'm trying. to do the math. I know she's in her 30s. now. If you go back to 2009, she was. probably in her late teens, early 20s. when they met. And. you know, I almost wonder, you know, was. he was she being groomed to take over. this empire for him? You make a really. good point. Um, and by the way, I should.

tell everybody, all of this money, all. of these properties that the Epstein. wanted it to go to, including her, didn't work out that way. The money, the. properties didn't go. The estate went. into a trust which was used to pay out. all the victims, the legal fees, the. expenses. The New York Post reporting. that now it's just under $130 million. that's left. It's all tied up uh in the. US Virgin Island probate courts. I mean, do you know the status of that, Justin? I mean, you know, probate goes slow and. and that's what I heard too about $127.

million still tied up. um and that I. would imagine it's going to be for a. long time as you continue to process. through this as victims come forward and. try to you know stake their claims um. you know to to be compensated for the. abuse that they went through. I I think. that you know the odds of her receiving. anything it it will be years before she. does if she does at all. >> I want to look at a different kind of. document now. So these are apparently. the emails from Shuliaak to Epstein. Okay. Herself. We have two I want to.

read. The first is from May of 2012 and. it reads, "I love you very much. You. will always have me no matter what as. long as it makes you happy." The second. from June of 2013 says, "You have. absolutely ruined me today. Each minute. I am struggling to not cry." Justin, sometimes very tough to make sense of. what these emails could mean. Particularly, I mean, you've been going. through how many communications and. messages. Uh, look at the thing with. Peter Aia. I mean, my gosh, you can go. back and forth with that.

>> Anything you take away from these kinds. of emails or and by the way, he so much. of this is documented. He had so many. communications through email, shared so. much through email commu communication. So, I mean, yeah, there's a lot through. email and and to me, and I want to say. to to that point for a moment, is it. it's insane to me how many very very. wealthy, powerful uh people just. communicated so nonchalantly with him. with some pretty incriminating, you. know, verbiage like they never thought.

it would. I mean, I guess I'm sure they. never thought it would be seen, but you. know, in my mind, and I know you know, you know, you're an attorney. In my. mind, I always think, well, if I'm going. to send this email and it's going to be. seen 5 years from now, do I am I. comfortable with what it says? And it's. like none of these people who are. supposed to be these brilliant, you. know, highly intelligent world leaders, businessmen, etc. They're all just, you. know, emailing these these things and. it's just that kind of blows my mind. Now to answer your other question, I. think and and this is my opinion. I. think that what you have is you have a.

situation of a girl woman young woman he. met when she's like 20 years old. He's. probably in his 50s or 60s at this. point. Again, I'm not doing the math in. my head, but um you know, I feel that. this is a grooming situation. So, you. know, you go back to what we saw last. year with, you know, the Diddy trial. We'll use this as an example. You saw. these women who had great days with him. You would see the emails and and the. messages when they had great days with. him and they you'd see the emails and. the messages when they had bad days with. him. You know, at the end of the day, Jeffrey Epstein was a convicted.

predator. Um, we know what he did. There's no question about that. And so, I would imagine you have a young woman. here trying to make sense of this much. older man, this relationship that. they're in that he's kind of pulling the. strings on everything and she's. struggling with it. You know, we saw. that. We see that oftentimes in cases. like this when you have people with a. lot of power and then a you know much. younger dynamic. >> We also have this diary entry I got to. mention as well. Now I don't know who. this is from but this is kind of making. a lot of headlines too. And as we're.

just talking about the writings we're. talking about communication and the. handwriting is kind of difficult to. decipher but this person writes about. feeling like a quote human incubator. Claims that Epstein talked about. creating a superior gene pool. She. mentions the pressure to play piano as. well as the reason that she was chosen. You've seen stuff about that, Justin, right? This idea, was there a secret. child or something? >> Yes. There supposedly, and I believe, um, don't hold me to this. I believe I. saw this morning right before I came on. to speak with you, something that where.

where Sarah Ferguson had, you know, congratulated him. >> So, 2011 email from Sarah Ferguson, casual congratulatory note. Don't know. if you're still on this BBM, but heard. from the Duke that you have had a baby. boy, even though you never kept in. touch. I still am here with love, friendship, and congratulations on your. baby boy, Sarah XX. So, you know, you. look at that and you look at the funding. that he was he was trying to do, you. know, allegedly trying to get into as. far as my wife and I were actually.

talking about this because at this. point, nothing's off the tables. Like, why would you want to have this secret. facility? And I, well, if you're into. trafficking children and you can grow. your own children that have no record, you know, that's kind of and and I. coupled that with another email. I don't. know if you saw this one between him and. a and a physician where this physician. uh or neur I believe well-known renowned. neurologist, I forget his name off top. of my head, gives him a casual hint, and. this is going to be disturbing, so I'm. sorry. I mean, at least when you look at. in the context and this physician, this.

doctor is saying how babies, newborns. will suck harder on their pacifiers at. the sound of their mother's voice. And. it's just that comment alone isn't. disturbing, but when you look at in the. context of who is it's being sent to, you know, I don't think your mind can. help but go to where your mind goes. And. so you have all of this stuff where he's. now putting himself with with babies, you know, like you said, the human. incubator thing with this potential. secret facility that he's wanting to. fund. There's just a lot of very again.

strange things that a month ago would. have been outlandish conspiracies that. are now we're seeing in writing and. documents being dropped by the. Department of Justice. >> and him with this fascination with Putin. and Russia and videos of his mouth and a. video of him chasing around what appear. to be young girls and a video and a. picture of uh you know Andrew on top of. what appears to be a young girl. It's. it's very hard to make sense of it all. and try to have a connective tissue, but. given what we know about Epste and given.

what we know about Galain Maxwell, a lot. of this just appears to be so dark, so. sinister, so disturbing on multiple. levels. Um, I I'll give you the final. word, Justin. What else are you going to. be looking out for as you continue to go. through these documents? And is there. anything that you've seen so far uh that. would indicate to you, you know, maybe. you we talked about maybe having further. questions, but is there anything that. you see that could potentially justify a. prosecution of anybody?

>> I think it dep I think with what we've. seen now, a prosecution not necessarily, but an investigation. Absolutely. I feel. at this point, you know, like you said, we're we're seeing some very very dark. things coming out of this things that. that most people couldn't even. comprehend exist until you really look. at these. And in my opinion, no matter. who the person is, if you were in this. man's orbit, a thorough investigation. um needs to be brought upon you. That.

that's just it. You need to be it needs. to be looked into. There are real. victims. There there are child victims, you know, for for a a nation who, you. know, we claim that we want to protect. children. Here is your opportunity. Here's some very rich and powerful. people, you know, surrounding. themselves, you know, or one of the, you know, most. notorious pedophiles surrounding. themselves with some of the richest, most powerful people in the world. They. need to be this all needs to be. scrutinized. Now again, like we you said. earlier, like I said, just because you. were in his orbit doesn't mean that you. committed any illegal activities or knew.

that illegal activities were happening, but it at least deserves an. investigation. >> That's my opinion. >> Justin Shepard, uh just in the nick of. crime, let everybody know where they can. find you. Watch your stuff because you. are fantastic. And again, I I've been. following your social media for the last. week just trying to stay up to date on. some of the biggest updates in this uh. in this document release. So let. everybody know where they can find you. >> Yeah, absolutely. So I'm Just in the. nick of crime on all social media. platforms and then I also have released. a new podcast that started a couple.

weeks ago called Unheard true crime in. their own words which you can find on my. YouTube just in the Nick of Crime or. anywhere podcasts are streamed. >> Thank you so much, sir. Appreciate you. taking the time. >> Thank you. Have a great one. >> And that's all we have for you right now. here on Sidebar. Everybody, thank you so. much for joining us. And as always, please subscribe on YouTube, Apple. Podcast, Spotify, wherever you should. get your podcast. We're also up on NBC's. Peacock, by the way. You can check us. [music] out there if you want to follow. me. X Instagram. Check out my NewsNation. show, Jesse Weber Live, Monday through. Friday, 11:00 p.m. Eastern. [music] I'll.

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