Disturbing 'Sex Slave' Claims in Epstein Depo Tape

Mr. Epstein, how long have you been. sexually attracted to underage minor. females? >> [snorts]. >> Objection. Harassing, argumentative. Are. you kidding? Now, convicted sex offender. Jeffrey Epstein was no stranger to. depositions. The accused [music]. trafficker was questioned on the record. in relation to civil lawsuits that were. filed against him by women who claimed. they were just teenagers when they were. pulled into Epstein's [music] alleged. despicable web. Well, we found one of. those depositions in the Epstein [music]. files release, and it gives you an idea. of how Epstein himself, his own.

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So far in our coverage of the Epstein. files release, we have gone through. thousands and thousands of documents, photos, videos, and I'll tell you it's. pretty much like we've barely scratched. the surface when you think about. millions and millions of pages. But, we. are learning new details, and we are. getting the chance to view more evidence. against Jeffrey Epstein every day, or at. least more of what was going on in his. life. Now, in a previous sidebar, we. looked at some of the I don't know,

creepiest, cringiest videos of Epstein. For example, this selfie video of him. making weird and unsettling faces into. the camera. You have another showing him. standing up on a countertop in a large. kitchen then getting down and literally. chasing a female around the room. There's also footage of him dancing with. someone in what appears to be a hallway. But, I will tell you, also in these. files released under the Epstein Files. Transparency Act, are depositions. related to civil lawsuits that were. filed against Epstein and his on-again,

off-again associate girlfriend, alleged. madam Ghislaine Maxwell, who by the way. was convicted and sentenced to 20 years. in prison on sex trafficking charges. Now, what I want to do today is I want. to dig into one of those video. depositions that was taken in February. of 2010. This is part of a lawsuit that. was filed against Epstein by an alleged. victim. She's referred to as LM. She. sued Epstein in Palm Beach County, Florida District Court, claiming that. essentially, she was lured to his home. and forced to perform sex acts, eventually becoming what she would call.

a sex slave. Now, Epstein actually went. on the offensive. He would actually end. up suing the lawyers in this case, claiming basically that they had tricked. people into filing civil claims against. him, thus defrauding him and making. Epstein look bad. Court paper were. called it a Ponzi scheme, and his. disdain for this law firm will come up. several times in his responses. You're. going to see it. But, I do want to play. you some really interesting clips from. the deposition, because the camera. focuses on Epstein, but off camera, you're going to hear from LM's attorney,

Brad Edwards, and Epstein's attorney, Michael Pike, okay? Now, Brad Edwards. had worked for a law firm called. Rothstein, Rosenfeldt and Adler. Apparently, the top partners at that law. firm would eventually be charged and. later convicted of financial crimes. We're talking things like racketeering. conspiracy, wire fraud, money. laundering. And Edwards points out at. times during the deposition, essentially, "Look, I'm there. representing LM. The accusations against. this former firm are irrelevant and. essentially a distraction that Epstein's.

making." Now, to set up the timeline for. you, because I think that's important. This deposition, again, is in 2010. This. is after Epstein has already been. convicted. Remember, he pled guilty to. those Florida state sex crimes charges, solicitation of prostitution, solicitation of prostitution with a. minor. He spent some time in jail as. part of that sweetheart deal. He was. able to avoid federal charges. So, now. he's facing this civil litigation. And. you can tell immediately, Edwards is not. going to get much out of Epstein. Raise.

your right hand. Do you swear and affirm. the testimony you're about to give will. be the truth, the whole truth, and. nothing but the truth? Yes, ma'am. Can you give us your name? Jeffrey. Epstein. Mr. Epstein, you made a comment when you. came in the room that you were pretty. civil with me being. respectful to. your housekeeper yesterday, and I intend. for that to be the same with you today. Um I want to start by. asking you, um you know, at this point we've gone. through a lot of discovery in this case.

There aren't many disputed facts as to. what actually happened at your house. And. generally, I think you would agree that. you devised a way for young females to. come to your house and engage in varying. degrees of sexual activity. Some of the. girls as young as 12, some of them as. old as 17 or so, most in between. Uh but. as of yet, you haven't provided an. explanation. So, I want to provide you. an opportunity to tell the jury at this. time why you did it. I'm going to object to confusing,

compound, and irrelevant as worded. You know, I I'd like to answer that. question, frankly. However, at this time, my attorneys have told me. that I can't and I must invoke my fifth, sixth, and 14th Amendment rights. Or I I risk losing their counsel. Accordingly, I therefore assert those. rights. Sorry. And in addition to that, I'm going to.

move to strike. counsel's statement as narrative as. well. I understand. Uh we wanted to provide. him the opportunity if today was going. to be the day. Um same thing. Move to strike narrative. Mr. Eftekhari, how long have you been. sexually attracted to underage minor. females? Objection. Harassing, argumentative. Are. you kidding? No, I I mean I don't feel like I'm. divulging any secrets here, right?

Move to strike. Uh that's that's the question. >> like to answer that question as well, like all your other questions today. However, I. I have to follow my attorney's advice. They have told me that I must invoke my. fifth, sixth, and 14th Amendment right. to uh not answer those questions today. or any questions relevant to this. lawsuit. So, I accordingly I'm going to assert. those rights. and under the Constitution as guaranteed.

by the fifth, sixth, and 14th Amendment. Okay. Would you consider yourself addicted to. sex with minor females? Same objections. You know, Mr. Edwards, I'm getting I'm I. want to be very respectful. And as the current US attorney has. described Joe Woffer as a criminal. enterprise. and part of one of the largest frauds in. Florida's history, it's been reported that your firm has. fabricated multiple cases against me in. order to fleece unsuspecting investors.

out of millions and millions of dollars. So, unfortunately at this time, though. I'd like to answer that question, on advice of counsel, I'm going to have. to refrain and assert my fifth, sixth, and 14th Amendment right. Can you then provide uh an explanation. for. what relevance. that. soliloquy of yours has to whether or not. you engaged in sex acts with. she was a minor.

Jackson. No, he cannot. Argumentative, compound, harassing. Mr. Pike, with all due respect, it. wasn't my idea for him to give this. speech about a former RRA law firm. I'm. just asking him. elaborate on that. Counsel, I'm working. with your your follow-up question. So, I'm I'm objecting and I'm objecting to. form and stating the reasons on the. record as to why the form is required to. be objected to based upon your question. Will he elaborate on the relevance of.

that soliloquy to. his. touching. when she was 13, 14, and 15 years old in. a sexual manner? I'm going to object again. Argumentative, compound, harassing. And irrelevant as worded. Can answer. I'd like to answer. However, I'm going. to have to assert my Fifth Amendment, Sixth Amendment, and 14th Amendment. right. as advised by my counsel. Otherwise, I.

I risk losing their advice. Mr. Epstein, have you ever been. diagnosed with a sex addiction to minors. by psychologist or other medical. professional? I intend to respond to all your. questions at at some relevant time. However, today at the present time, my. attorneys have counselled me that I. cannot provide answers to any questions. relevant to this lawsuit and I must. accept their advice or risk losing my.

Sixth Amendment right to effective. representation. Accordingly, I I my Fifth. Federal fifth, sixth, and 14th Amendment. rights through the United States. Constitution. In addition to that, Mr. Edwards, as the court has ruled in. several matters, uh Mr. Epstein's. medical history is not relevant in this. at this time, nor has he placed same at. issue in this case. Understood. Uh Mr. Epstein, were you sexually abused as a minor?

I assert again. Were you sexually abused. as a minor? You know, I'd like that again, I'd like. to respond to all your if any questions. seem to be relevant, but I would like to. respond to any relevant question at this. time. However, my attorneys have. counselled me that I cannot provide. answers to the questions relevant to. this lawsuit today. I must accept their advice or risk. losing my Sixth Amendment right to. effective representation. Accordingly then, I assert my fifth, sixth, and 14th Amendment right to the.

United States Constitution. Isn't it true that. you have engaged in. some sexual interaction with hundreds of. underage minor females in the last 10. years of your life? That true? Objection, relevance. Mr. Edwards, the. current US Attorney has described your. law firm as a criminal enterprise and. part of the largest fraud in Florida's.

history. It has been reported that your firm. fabricated multiple cases, many, many. multiple cases against me in order to. fleece unsuspecting investors out of. millions and millions of dollars. Unfortunately, at this time in response. to your question, my attorneys advise me. that I must assert my Sixth Amendment, Fifth Amendment, and 14th Amendment. right. Though I believe you know that I would. really like to answer your questions. today, but at this moment I must assert. those rights. or risk having my attorneys resign.

You're invoking your Fifth Amendment. right to each of these questions because. you know that your answers will. incriminate you and you feel. that it would result in you being. prosecuted for these crimes. Isn't that. right? Objection, argumentative, harassing, and calls for a legal conclusion. Answer. No, in fact, the Supreme Court. recently said that the Fifth Amendment. right is there to protect the innocent. So, that's what I'd like to answer that.

Are you actually telling the jury that. you didn't commit the crimes that have. been alleged against you by the various. females that were underage when you. engaged in sex with them? Are you. telling the jury that right now? Objection, argumentative, harassing. I would like to respond to that. question, as you know. However, at the present time, my. attorneys have counselled me that I. cannot provide answers to any questions. relevant to this lawsuit, and I must.

accept their advice or risk losing my. Sixth Amendment right to effective. representation. Accordingly, I assert my Fifth, Sixth, and Fourteenth Amendment [snorts]. right under the United States. Constitution. Mr. Epstein, you understand that this is. the video that will be played to the. jury in. trial. against you, and. wants answers. These juries are going to. The jury is going to want answers. So, I. know that you're telling us that you're. going to respond at some time in the.

future, but the time is now. Would you. like this opportunity to explain why you. engaged in sexual activity with. beginning when she was 13 years old and. you were 50 years old? I'm going to. object, once again. We're getting way too argumentative with. the questioning. The questioning is. compound, it's speculative, and it's. also harassing. Whether or not this deposition. video thereof is played in front of a.

jury is a question of fact and it will. be determined by a judge pursuant to a. motion in limiting various portions. thereof may or may not be played. So, having placed those objections on the. record, I'm going to instruct Mr. Epstein not to answer that question. Mr. Pike, I don't know if you watched. the 13 hours of harassing questions to.

Miss that she sometimes invoked her. Fifth Amendment rights and I understand. the adverse inference that will be. given. And she was made to answer these. questions and these exact same questions. were asked of her. In fact, I'm using. the phraseology from Mr. Ludeer. I'm not. trying to harass him. I'm simply asking. him to explain to the jury. if you're saying it didn't happen, say. it didn't happen. If you're saying it. did happen, explain to the jury why you. did it. That's all we want to hear. I'm. being respectful. Not this. In an effort.

to keep a clean record and be respectful. to the court reporter, rather than have a diatribe back and. forth between you and myself, I'm going. to move to strike your your last. statement as irrelevant. Let's move on. Mr. Epstein, is it true you were born. January 20th, 1953? Yes. Where? New York. Where in New York? Brooklyn. Did you go to high school there?

Yes, sir. Where? Lafayette. High School. After high school, did you attend. college? Yes, sir. And where was that? In New York. What college did you attend? Cooper. Union. I'm sorry. Cooper Union. And did you get a degree from Cooper. Union? No, sir. How many years were you in college? I believe two. What did you study? Physics. And uh why did you leave college early?

I intend to respond to all relevant. questions regarding this lawsuit. However, at the present time, my. attorneys have counselled me that I. cannot provide answers. to questions that may be relevant to. this lawsuit. So, accordingly, I assert. my constitutional rights as guaranteed. by the fifth, sixth, and 14th Amendment. By you invoking your fifth Amendment. rights as to why you left college, is it. safe then to presume that that answer uh. you believe would incriminate you in.

some way? Yeah, I'm going to move to. strike speculative, argumentative, harassing, calls for a legal conclusion. And I know exactly what you're trying to. do here, Mr. Edwards, is lace the record. with questions that would ultimately. give you an adverse inference. at any potential trial of this matter. So, having put that on the record, uh. I'm going to instruct him not to answer. that question based upon. his fifth, sixth, and 14th Amendment.

rights to the United States. Constitution. >> due respect, you cannot invoke his fifth. Amendment rights. Your attorney. instructed me in that fashion. >> And Tater Miller. uh had to had to do it herself. So, I'd. like to hear it from Mr. Epstein, can we. assume that by you invoking your fifth. Amendment rights as to why uh you left. college early, that uh that answer you. feel would incriminate you? Once again, move to strike for the same reasons. Okay, quick refresher for the fifth, sixth, and 14th Amendments, all right? By the way, it's any person's right to. invoke these. It doesn't necessarily.

mean somebody is guilty of something, but let's put it into context here. So, fifth Amendment, right against. self-incrimination. You don't have to. answer questions where you would. inadvertently admit to a crime or being. connected to a crime, right? Makes. sense. Sixth Amendment, whole cluster of. rights there that includes the right to. be told what the charges are or the. accusations are, the right to confront. or question the witnesses against you or. accusing you. You get your own. witnesses. You have assistance of. counsel. So, that's big here again. Just.

making sure that nothing he says would. jeopardize any of that, but also he has. a right to follow his counsel's advice. Now, the 14th Amendment, one of the. things that it does here, it's about due. process, right? Can't be denied life, liberty, property without due process. Meaning certain procedural steps need to. be taken like a hearing. The government. has to tell you what's happening. You. have an opportunity to respond. And. also, the government, by the way, has to. have a compelling reason to deny you of. life, liberty, or property. But also, the 14th Amendment applies the Fifth.

Amendment rights, or what I just talked. about, to the states. Little. constitutional law lesson, but there you. go. Okay. Now, Epstein does answer some. really basic questions about where he. was born, Brooklyn, where he went to. high school, Lafayette, where he went to. college, Cooper Union. By the way, he. confirmed he dropped out of college. after only a couple of years. But from. there, Epstein went back to invoking his. rights to nearly every single question, including these. After college, where do. you Where were you employed? Well, isn't.

it true that you were a teacher. at the Dalton School in New York? After college, Mr. Epstein, did you have. sex with any underage students while. teaching at the Dalton School? Could you repeat that? Yes. Did you have sex with any underage. students while teaching at the Dalton. School? Now, he was also asked if he. worked at Bear Stearns, if he knew. Leslie Wexner, right? Victoria's Secret, if he worked for him. Same responses. How about these? How did you meet.

Ghislaine Maxwell? Do you have an. apartment in Manhattan? Do you own an. island in the U.S. Virgin Islands? Do. you own a home in New Mexico? Now, Epstein varied his answers slightly, but. he always comes back to asserting his. rights or saying that the law firm that. I mentioned before, that hey, they have. been determined to be corrupt. But. Edwards, he just pressed on. Is it true. that you have had underage females at. each of those homes for. with you and Ghislaine Maxwell? Form, argumentative, speculation, and.

harassing. >> [sighs and gasps]. >> No. I would like to answer that question. I really would. However, as your firm has been described by the. US attorney. as a criminal enterprise. Its principal purpose was racketeering. conspiracy to generate money for the. firm and its co-conspirators through the. operation and enterprise and through. various activities including mail fraud,

wire fraud, and money laundering. And fabricating multiple sex cases. against me and others. Though I'd like to answer your question. today, Mr. Edwards, my counsel has advised me I must take. the fifth, sixth, and fourteenth. amendment rights as provided by the US. Constitution. Did your sexual obsession. with underage minor females. grow at some point in time. to allow you access to these underage.

minors every single day. for sex? Overbroad, speculation, argumentative, compound, harassing, and confusing. Confusing as worded. You want to break it down, Mr. Edwards? Isn't it true that. for the past 10 years. you have found a way. to engage in sexual conduct with. underage minors on an everyday basis? Speculation, argumentative. You would. agree that you interacted with.

every day in a sexual way when she was. 15 years old. You know, again, Mr. Edwards, I'd like to answer all your. questions here today. I'm reading from. the complaint filed by. against you. Isn't it true, sir, that a. friend of yours. sent you three. 12-year-old. females for you to sexually abuse on one. of your birthdays? Form argumentative,

harassing, and irrelevant to this lawsuit. >> But. is you're saying it's part of the. lawsuit? Yeah, I I'll read it directly. >> [snorts]. >> On [snorts] one of defendant Epstein's. birthdays, a friend of defendant Epstein. sent him three 12-year-old girls from.

France who spoke no English for. defendant to sexually exploit and abuse. After doing so, they were sent back to. France the next day. Isn't that true? Once again, I'm going to move to strike. Is it true. that you forced. as a 15-year-old girl to have sex with. numerous friends of yours? Are you. kidding? Reading from her lawsuit. Are you. reading from the lawsuit? I'm sorry. Sorry, Mr. Edwards. I I I'm going to have to Though I'd like. to answer that question as well as as I. answered most of your other questions.

here today, I would like to respond. My attorneys, however, have advised me I have to. assert my Fifth Amendment, Sixth Amendment, and Fourteenth. Amendment rights under the US. Constitution. Now, at points when. Edwards brought up Epstein's seemingly. known associates like French model scout. Jean-Luc Brunel, who by the way, he died. in a jail cell in 2022 when he was being. investigated for rape, Epstein acted. like or seemingly acted like he didn't. even know or remember who they were. Do. you know a a named Jean-Luc Brunel.

>> [snorts]. >> Can you spell it? He was at your house last week. Does that remind you? Form move to. strike. Speculation, argumentative, harassing. Is there a question on the table, Mr. >> Yes, do you know him? Could you spell his name for me, please? I don't need to spell his name. You know. who I'm talking about, Mr. Brunel. And I'm sorry, could you spell. Mr. what? B R U N E L.

All right. That's it. Uh I would like to answer that question. as well, but my attorneys have counseled. me to that today. I'm going to have to. assert my Sixth Amendment rights, my. Fifth Amendment rights, and my. Fourteenth Amendment's rights under the. US Constitution. or risk losing. uh my right to effective representation. What's the purpose for you asking me to. spell his name? Are you acting like you. don't know him? Form move to strike. Argumentative and. irrelevant as worded. Mr. Epstein, would.

you know that there are various standing. orders, if not in this case, in various. other cases that specifically describe. the protections of the Fifth Amendment? Federal courts have ordered that. certain questions that you are asking. shall not be answered, or Mr. Epstein. would risk losing his Fifth Amendment. right. Well, I understand that. Wait. under the United States Constitution. Wait a second. Under the United States. Constitution. a lot of these questions here today that. you're asking have already been ruled By.

various courts. that the Fifth Amendment protects. any response thereto. So, I would like. it. I'm I'm giving you some leeway here. with regard to these argumentative. questions. We've already And I'm And I'm. And I'm And I'm not obviously testifying. for the witness, but. we've already handled a lot of these. issues in court, and we've already. adjourned one deposition for being. argumentative, and I think you. understand what the court said there. So, you know, having said that and and I. understand that you have a job to do,

but having said that I I would like to. caution you. professionally that if you continue with. the argumentative questions, I am going. to have to terminate this deposition and. then we'll just Do what you have to do, Mr. Pike. I I completely understand. Okay. Um we're here today. >> Mr. Brunel is a I'm sorry, just go. ahead. We're here what the court should. know that we're here today to allow you. to ask your questions, but the harassing. and argumentative tone is is is not. going to be tolerated, so. >> There's a video. There's a video we can. we can show the court the tone. It's. obviously not harassing, so Uh.

Mr. Brunel is a long-time friend of. yours, right? I intend to respond to all relevant. questions to this lawsuit. And Edwards. continued to try to pin Epstein down on. specific details, but the deposition has. been underway for hours now and you can. tell things are getting a little tense. With respect to underage females, isn't. it true that you have made the statement. in quotes, "The younger, the better.". Isn't it true when underage. females were brought to you, you would.

engage in sex with them and pay them? Form, argumentative, harassing. Are you shaking your head to say no? Excuse me. Are you shaking your head to. say no? I I don't know how to interpret. the answer. I'm sorry, I didn't realize. I was shaking my head. Okay. One second. >> he was actually answering a question. Move to strike. The rules are well-known to every lawyer. who practices in the state of Florida. That it's clear that a nod of the head. or shake of the head is not understood.

by the record, so therefore, Mr. Epstein. clearly was not responding to one of. your questions and you know that, Mr. Edwards. This is on video, Mike. No, nonetheless, you you know the rules. Nonetheless, if we have a question on. the table, would you please repeat it so. I can recall it so Mr. Epstein can. endeavor to answer Sure, and if it was. only a court reporter, I would agree, but the jury's going to see a video and. everybody knows commonly if somebody. shakes their head, they're saying no. If. that was the answer, I wanted to give. him a chance to elaborate on it. That's. it. Um isn't it true that when underage.

females would come to your house, you would engage in sexual activity with. them and then pay them? Same objections. Utilizing this method. of using. underage minors to bring you other. underage minors, you were able. to engage in sex with hundreds of. underage minor females. Is that true? Form argumentative, harassing, calls for speculation.

Since Mr. Edwards, your firm has been. described. as a criminal enterprise by the US. attorney. and as part of the largest fraud in. South Florida's history and as part of. the fraud fabricating malicious. cases of sexual harassment and other. cases of sexual nature against people. like me and others. Though I'd like to answer that question. today, my attorneys have advised me I must. assert my Sixth Amendment, 14th Amendment, and Fifth Amendment.

rights of the US Constitution. And. Edwards also seems to be coming. increasingly frustrated with Epstein's. long-winded, repeated answers to his. questions. To keep track of all of these. underage minors, you stored their names. and telephone numbers in your home. computer. Isn't that correct? Form. argumentative, speculation. Again, I'm sorry. Are you going to answer the question or. just read? If you are going to answer the question, of course, I'll I'll keep reading it as. many times.

>> Wait one second. Witness is attempting. to answer your question. He asked you to. repeat the question. He is? He asked you to repeat the question. And I don't mind going through that, Mike, because I I do want answers, but. if I'm going to repeat the question. multiple times and still get the same. answer, we're just wasting time. I'm. just trying to. stop us from wasting [clears throat]. time repeating questions if I'm going to. get the same non-responsive answer. I I. I understand your. intention here. Yeah. However, these questions.

are similar in nature if not identical. to various questions that you've asked. in other cases. So, you coming here. today is of no surprise that Mr. Epstein. is required to invoke his fifth, sixth, and 14th Amendment rights underneath the. United States Constitution. >> that. If you came here today thinking. that you were going to. pull a rabbit out of a hat and get, you. know, wave Mr. Epstein Mr. Epstein was going. to wave his fifth, sixth, and 14th. Amendment rights to the United States.

Constitution, at least not today. That. will not be occurring. And when Edwards. asked Epstein to tell him about his. recent sex crimes convictions, Epstein. kind of becomes a little stubborn on. that. In June of 2008, you pled guilty. to two felonies. Is that correct? Same. objection. Yes. And. what were those felonies that you pled. guilty to?

Solicitation of prostitutes, not. underage prostitutes but simply. prostitutes. Solicitation of prostitutes. and one count of procuring a minor for. underage sex. And you have taken the fifth as to. questions related to many of these. underage minors, but the underage minors. that were the victims in the cases where. you pled guilty,

um [snorts]. were uh. Was that one of them? Form mischaracterizes the witness's. testimony. Calls for a legal in the. Again? What was the name of. any of the underage uh minors that were. the subject of the criminal charges to. which you played guilty?

I don't know. So, tell me. about those. uh. charges. What were the What What was the. um. >> [clears throat]. >> What were the allegations of those. charges? Form. Solicitation of prostitution. Right. Not underage prostitution, prostitution. Were the victims uh or or the uh. prostitutes as you would say, uh were they minors?

Form. I pled guilty to solicitation of. prostitution. Okay, so tell So, tell me what those. cases were about. What happened? I I. Form. >> no more. I can't tell you any more than that. You don't know what you pled guilty to? I just told you. >> Form. That's asked and answered. Do you know what you pled guilty to? The. facts. Solicitation of prostitution. I. understand that's the charge. What were. the underlying facts? Sorry. What did. you do? Did you pull up in a car? Talked. to the person? Did they come over to.

your house? How did you get them? Those. kind of things. Tell the jury. what What were the underlying facts. about the charge that you pled guilty. to? Form. Move to strike. I don't know. You don't know what you pled guilty to? I I pled guilty to the solicitation of. prostitution. Oh, not underage. prostitution, but prostitution. Okay. My understanding from reading the court. file is that one of those uh females was. Do you know who that is?

I intend to respond to all relevant. questions to this lawsuit. Do you have. any remorse for your actions. >> [snorts]. >> Form against these uh victims that led. to. your plea of guilty. Form argumentative. I pled guilty to. solicitation of prostitution. Not. underage prostitution, simply. prostitution. >> [snorts]. >> Are you saying now that the uh subjects. of of that uh which we're calling. victims were not underage when you.

engaged in sex with them? Form. argumentative, speculation, and assumes facts not in evidence as. well as mischaracterizes the witness's. testimony. >> [snorts]. >> I pled guilty to solicitation of. prostitution. Not underage prostitution, solicitation. of prostitution. I was of the impression. that you pled guilty to a second-degree. felony, that being procuring a minor for. the purposes of prostitution. That's. correct. Okay. So, a minor is somebody.

under the age of 18, and I'm asking for. the guilty plea. >> [snorts]. >> related to that count. Are you at all. remorseful for your interactions with. that minor? Same objections. What minor? The charge is procuring a minor. You tell me, who was that minor? I don't know. You were never told uh during your. uh in during the state attorney's.

prosecution of you. um who this person was? No. Why did you plead guilty. to. a felony charge that resulted in you. going to jail without even knowing who. the victim was? Form, that question calls for. attorney-client information, and. therefore I'm going to instruct you. Well, if it has something to do with any. conversations with your attorney,

I I I don't I don't want to know. I'm just going off of the plea colloquy. between you and the judge where you. understood the charges and you've been. advised and apprised of the charges and. you still willingly willfully plead. guilty to the charges. So I'm I'm taking now that you're saying. you don't even know what those charges. were about. What was the question? I I don't know the question on the table. now. Who is the minor? I don't know. And you were never told the name or. initials of that minor victim by the.

state attorney's office or the. prosecutor. Not that I recall. Well, just so that the jury understands, this method of. paying underage minor females to bring. you other underage minor females for sex. is something that you do in New York, in. New Mexico, in Florida, and everywhere. It's not just West Palm Beach. Isn't. that right? Again, form. It's compound. Again, it assumes facts not in evidence.

It's argumentative. It's harassing. And. moreover, we've already been. down this road before in separate. related questions that have already been. asked and answered. So Edwards accused. Epstein of using and abusing his client. as part of a scheme to attract as many. teenage girls as possible to his. property where he would give them money. in return for massages and sexual. favors. Didn't the computers. that were removed from your home just. prior to the execution of the search.

warrant. contain the complete list of underage. minor females with whom you engaged in. sexual activity? And isn't it true that. you and. operated. as an organized criminal enterprise. designed to sexually exploit minors? Objection. And as part of that. organization, you developed code terms. such as work or massage. uh, opposed to engage in sex.

with minors. Is that true? Isn't it. true, Mr. Epstein, that the only thing. that you cared about was accessing as. many underage females as possible for. the purposes of sex? Argumentative. Speculation. Harassing. It's not a What's the question? >> And it assumes facts not in evidence. Isn't it true that the only thing that. you cared about when you were. interacting with these underage females. in a sexual manner.

was. for your own personal gratification? For Same exact objections. Though I'd like to answer that question. and let the ladies and gentlemen of the. jury, I'd very much like to answer that. question. However, today. my attorneys have advised me I must take. my certain my rights under the 14th. 6th and 5th Amendments of the US. Constitution. Any underage minor female. that you engaged in sexual activity with. and that has now pursued a lawsuit.

against you, isn't it true that you've. spent a lot of money and a lot of. resources investigating them in an. effort to intimidate them and hopefully. make them go away? Same objections. I believe your client's testimony. changed dramatically when she joined up. with you you and your law firm accused. of fraud. When she decided to change her. testimony, at least from what these. statements said. both to the police and to the FBI.

and decided to seek money. However, anything above that or beyond. that, I'm going to have to, in fact, assert my 5th Amendment, 6th Amendment, and 14th Amendment rights as directed. by my competent counsel. >> [snorts]. >> I'll I'll Unfortunately, they've told me. that if I don't, I risk losing a. representation. All right, I'm going to. give you a chance here, since you keep. bringing up uh, her statement to the FBI. as opposed to her sworn testimony for 13. hours under oath in this case.

Are you saying that the sworn testimony. to the FBI was in fact the truth? What I'm saying is her It seems her. testimony has changed dramatically after. she joined your firm. That's all. Irrespective of. her her testimony. You've read her testimony and you to the. FBI. You've watched her deposition when. it was being taken. Um which. >> assumptions. I'm sorry.

So I You just go ahead and let him. finish the question. >> My fault. And then I'll I'll object and. then you respond. Which are you saying is. the truthful testimony? Her statement to. the FBI or the video tape deposition. that you watched? I'm going to object. form. What I've said and that I think I would. repeat myself is that until she joined. your firm and started to seek money. her testimony was different. That's my.

understanding. I'm sorry. Are you denying any sexual involvement. this time? Form. I'd like to answer that question. I'd like to answer as the most of your. questions here today. >> [snorts]. >> However, my attorneys have advised me. that I must take. assert my rights under the Sixth. Amendment, 14th Amendment, and Fifth Amendment, no. matter how much I'd like to answer that. question. Or excuse me, potentially. [clears throat] risk losing my counsel.

Isn't your game plan with all of these. civil lawsuits that have been filed. against you. to spend as much money as you can to. investigate and harass these. young women into hopefully dropping the. lawsuits against you. Objection. Irrelevant. Move to strike. So, it's argumentative. It's harassing. I'd like to answer that question.

I think you know the answer to that. question. Yes. Now, here they refer to a. woman whose name we've chosen to keep. anonymous, but she was accused of being. one of the teens that helped find other. girls for Epstein. Is it your feeling. that because you are wealthy and these. children are poor, that you are entitled. to sexually abuse them? Argumentative. And speaking about these these children, including. Argumentative. Speculative. It's. compound. It's vague. It assumes facts.

not in evidence. Yes, and in keeping with your firm's. propensity to file fallacious. manufactured sexual sexually charged. cases. based on nothing but thin air. Accused by the US attorney of the. largest fraud. in South Florida's history by. manufacturing sexual cases. I would like to answer each and every. one of your questions, including why I. sued you. But today I'm not going to be able to.

Please tell the jury. what is your defense of the claims being. asserted against you in this lawsuit by. What are the Sorry. I'm going to object. It calls for a legal conclusion. You have to What are the claims, sir, since you're representing. Can you tell me what the claims are? Yeah, we've gone through it. She went to. your house when she was 13, 14, 15, 16. years old. >> a claim? >> She was.

She was in your you she was in your. bedroom. You instructed her to get. naked. You. coerced her into recruiting other. underage minor females, roughly 50 or so. more. These are all claims that have that have. amounted to various counts coercion into. prostitution intentional infliction of. emotional distress. battery committing various crimes. against her. What are your defenses to. that? I mean normal defenses are it. didn't I didn't do it.

I did it but it didn't hurt her. We're. trying to understand so we so we. understand how to. provide this case to the jury. What are. your defenses to these allegations? I'm. going to object to this line of. questioning. It's compound. As worded it could call for the. disclosure of attorney-client. information as well as work product and. I believe in this particular case. there is a document filed answering. affirmative defenses.

And those affirmative defenses are set. forth in the document there speaks for. itself. Okay. This line Document speaks for itself. And as the deposition came to an end. Epstein insinuated that despite refusing. to answer almost every question that was. asked he was innocent. Since you are a. lawyer I'm sure you're aware the Supreme. Court has said that the Fifth Amendment. is used more often to protect innocent. people. That's up to state the advice of. counsel.

I've taken that practice. I have no questions. No further questions. I'm going to go off the video record at. 3:52 p.m. Okay, so what happens? Well, LM and. Epstein they actually settled out of. court. The case apparently was. dismissed. It's not clear exactly how. much Epstein might have paid to settle, but I will tell you this much. Epstein. at one point in time actually apologized. to Edwards in court saying quote while. Mr. Edwards was representing clients.

against me I filed a lawsuit against him. in which I made allegations about him. that the evidence conclusively proves. were absolutely false. The truth was. that his aggressive investigation and. litigation style was highly effective. and therefore troublesome for me. Hmm. Now we also found the filing that after. Epstein's death, his co-executors had. filed a voluntary motion to dismiss the. case against Scott Rothstein as [music]. well. That's all we have for you right. now here on Sidebar. Thank you so much. for joining us and as always, please. subscribe [music] on YouTube, Apple. Podcast, Spotify, wherever you get your.

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