Day 14 Recap & Key Moments of Johnny Depp v Amber Heard Trial (Sidebar Podcast EP. 9)

why are you here. i am here because my ex-husband. is suing me. for an op-ed i wrote. and how do you feel about that. i. um. i. struggle to have the words. i struggle to find the words to describe. how. painful this is. um this is horrible.

for me to sit here. for. weeks and. relive everything. hear. people that i. knew. some well some not. my ex-husband with whom i shared a life. speak um.

about our lives in the way that they. have. um. this has been one of this is the most. painful and difficult thing i've ever. gone through. for sure that's actress amber heard. testifying about what it's been like to. be the subject of the most watched. televised trial in quite some time hey. everybody welcome to sidebar presented. by law and crime where we recap the. biggest moments in the day's biggest. trials i'm jesse weber so we're talking. the ongoing trial of johnny depp versus. amber heard out in fairfax county.

virginia and we just wrapped up day 14. now a reminder here depp is suing his. ex-wife for 50 million dollars claiming. defamation namely that she falsely. accused him of domestic violence in a. 2018 washington post op-ed piece and. that that article ruined his life and. career and she's actually counter-suing. him for a hundred million dollars saying. he defamed her when he orchestrated a. public smear campaign against her saying. that she made up her injuries and lied. about him being an abuser now today was.

a big day but before we even get to. amber heard taking the stand we have to. talk about what happened in the morning. the day started with the continued. testimony of heard's first witness in. her case dr dawn hughes you might recall. that this clinical and forensic. psychologist who evaluated heard opine. that heard had shown signs of being a. victim of domestic or intimate partner. violence she testified that all of these. behaviors have heard that depp had. highlighted in his case over the past. few weeks namely heard physically.

lashing out at death or her yelling at. him or her refusing to leave or her not. cooperating with police during a. domestic violence incident these are all. symptoms of her being a victim not an. abuser and dr hughes would explain how. the alleged acts of death could. constitute physical psychological verbal. or mental abuse however today was about. her being cross-examined by depp's team. and depp's attorney took issue that. during hughes testimony she kept.

referring to the perpetrator of violence. as a male and the victim as a female and. that she rarely if ever testified on. behalf of a male victim all trying to. show a bias as a paid witness for her. and they continued with trying to pick. apart her conclusions. you have not formed an opinion. as to whether mr depp committed internet. intimate partner violence against miss. hurt. correct. correct i formed the opinion that miss.

heard's report of the intimate partner. violence is consistent with what we know. in the literature about intimate partner. violence. and you have no independent knowledge of. the facts underlying the alleged abuse. correct. i have the knowledge of the plethora of. documents that i've reviewed in this. case i'm asking you your independent. first-hand knowledge you have none of. that right. you mean whether i was there yeah you. weren't there of course not okay. um.

and you're not testifying to the. veracity the truthfulness. of any of the allegations. correct all of those. statements that you reviewed. those were statements that started with. misheard correct. not necessarily well the medical records. did didn't they. well the medical records if she's. self-reporting what happened to her sure. i mean that's what we do when we go to a. physician we say i have a headache we're. self-reporting our difficulties.

everything misheard reported directly to. you. was after she was sued by mr depp in. this case correct. correct. and you didn't. meet miss heard until what september. 2019 that was the first evaluation. appointment correct you know what this. is. i believe this is the um. knife that misheard gave to mr depp as a.

gift. and. you speak spanish. do you know what it says yes it says ha. until death. so a woman you. suggest. has characteristics of being afraid for. her life. gives her intimate partner a large knife. which she is inscribed until death. that's your testimony.

well there's context. dr hughes was then questioned once again. by herd's counsel and had her confirm. that she still believes heard has signs. of being a victim and that she suffers. from ptsd. but from there after the lunch break it. was the moment we were all waiting for. amber heard taking the stand she is a. defendant and counter plaintiff in this. case so clearly there is a lot riding on. her testimony she started off by talking. about her background growing up in texas.

how she became an actress moved to. hollywood and ultimately how she met. johnny depp while auditioning for and. working with him on the movie the rum. diary together and believe it or not. depp and heard actually agree on. something they both testified that there. was this intimate on-camera kiss during. the movie and it was a moment that they. both described as very real and very. different and that changed everything. you don't like. you. you don't use your tongue if you can't. if you can avoid it there's certain. things that you do to just.

maintain a certain line and it just felt. like those lines were blurred i mean he. grabbed my face and pulled me into him. and really kissed me. but we were filming a scene. did he use his tongue. yes and during the press tour for the. movie is when things between the two. really heated up then we drank red wine. and continued to talk. and. the talking became us. you know.

reconnect you know it was like. reconnection was almost instant um. it was just. chemistry it's hard to explain that but. we sat on the couch and we talked and. um. you know it felt like there was uh. it felt like there was an electricity to. the room. and so i felt when i was alone with him. anyway and it was instant again i was. like whoa. so uh on the on the couch we we talked.

finished some wine and then i got up and. left and as i went to leave. he. grabbed both sides of my face. similar to what he did. in. in puerto rico and we were filming that. that scene. and. he kissed me and i kissed him back. and. what happened next with respect to any. relationship with mr depp. well then we fell in love. and we went on this press tour.

and. we went. it was it was a beautiful and strange. time you know we went from we're flying. from one not together but you know going. from one city to the next europe. new york los angeles as i said and we're. just. traveling around talking about this. movie that we did together that we. participated in together. and. we were falling in love i mean it was. just you know at the first dinner in. london he. sat me next to me you know he produced.

the film and was a part of. controlling the film and was responsible. for different things and i was as a. small. as an actor having a small part in it. and um. we went on this press tour and. i think in london he sat he had me sat. next to him at this at a dinner and then. we ended up spending the night together. in my hotel room but then the testimony. took a grim turn. stay with us here at sidebar as we'll. continue right after these words from.

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apps. now heard testified that after a. whirlwind romance with johnny depp that. actually had to be kept in secret. because depp was still in another. relationship and was involved with. someone else she says things turned sour. and it was mostly due to what she said. were issues of jealousy control anger. that was all fueled by depth substance. abuse. and that other thing was. awful. awful thing that would.

come out and. take over and it was. you couldn't see the johnny i loved. underneath it it was this other thing. and no one told him no one was honest. with him no one. you know he'd pass out. in his own vomit he'd lose control of. his. body his. you know he'd lose control and everyone.

clean up after him i cleaned up after. him. i mean this man lost control of his. bowels and i cleaned up after him. isn't his security cleaned up after him. changed his pants in front of me he. would pass out his own sick. you know and then he'd walk around. saying. he didn't have a problem. until he did. until he couldn't support it anymore and. he'd get clean and he'd get sober and. then he was this thing again.

this thing that made me feel so loved. that made me feel like. perd would also recall for the jury the. first time she says. depp hit her i was. sitting on the couch. and we were talking we were having a. like a normal conversation you know just. there was no fighting no argument. nothing. and um. he was drinking and. um i didn't realize at the time but i.

think he was using cocaine because it. was like there was a jar a jar. of cocaine out on the table. i realized that sounds weird but it was. like. an actual vintage jar of it but i didn't. see him use at the time so i didn't. really factor that in i just you know. he's drinking and we're talking and it's. there's music playing and he's smoking. cigarettes and we're sitting next to. each other on the couch. and i asked him about the tattooias on. his arm.

and to me it just looked like. um black marks it like i didn't know i. didn't know what it said it just looked. like muddled faded tattooed that was. hard to read. and i said what is it what does it say. and he. um said it says wino. it says why no and i um. i didn't see that i thought he was. joking. because it didn't look like it said that. at all and i laughed. it was that simple.

i just laughed because i thought he was. joking. and. slapped me across the face. and i laughed. i laugh. because i. i didn't know what else. to do i thought. this must be a joke i was just sitting. there on this on on this. carpet looking at the dirty carpet. wondering how i wound up on this carpet. and why i was.

never why i never noticed that the. carpet was so filthy before and i just. didn't know what else to do i didn't. know what to say i didn't know how to. react i just. sat there thinking how much time do i. have to i figure out what i. need to do because god did he just hit. me. no i didn't want to leave him i didn't. want this to be the reality i didn't. want to. have the man i was in love with. i know you don't come back from that you. know not dumb i. i know you can't hit.

a woman i you can't hit a man you can't. hit anyone you can't just. hit somebody because they. i knew there was no i knew it was. wrong and i knew that i had to leave him. and that's what broke my heart. because i didn't want to leave him. i thought if i got up out of that room. and i believe the best thing that ever. happened to me. and i wish i could sit here and say i. stood up and i walked out of that house.

and i drew a line and i stood up for. myself. [Music]. i was just looking at the. dirty carpet trying to will myself to. get up. to walk out. of the door because i knew i needed to. and i really slowly. i stood up and i remember looking at him. in the eye. and just looking at him frankly because. i didn't know what else to do.

and before i know it he. starts crying. and you know like i i have never seen. an adult man cry. um i didn't even really see my dad cry. at my grandma's funeral you know it's. just it's weird. and he's crying. tears i mean just falling out of his. eyes he gets down on his knees and he. grabs my hands and he's. touching my hands and he's. saying to me i will never do that again.

i'm so sorry baby i i put the way i. thought i killed it and it's it's done i. i ki. i thought i put the monster away. and i've done it before it's done. but on his knees. now i should tell you that i was in the. courtroom when heard took the stand and. i was looking at the jury and they are. intently taking notes and watching amber. heard in my opinion this is a highly. attentive jury throughout this case. which is exactly what you want but you.

really can't get a read on what they're. thinking they seemed stone-faced. throughout her testimony but from there. heard would describe more disturbing. allegations of abuse like this he's like. grabbing my. my breasts he's touching my thighs. and he rips my underwear off. and. then. he.

proceeds to do a cavity search. he was looking he said he was looking. for his drugs his cocaine his coke. i was wondering how i somebody who. didn't do cocaine. and was against it. that was in and of itself causing. problems in our relationship. how could i hide why would i hide.

his drugs from like like he was. insinuating that i was doing it or. something it made no sense. and. he was telling me we're doing we're. gonna we're gonna conduct a cavity. search shall we. like. just shoved his fingers inside me.

i just i just. just stood there staring at the stupid. light. you know what you know i didn't know. what to do i just stood. it just stood there. while he did that he twisted his fingers. around. i don't something to keep in mind as you. listen to this testimony the jury only. has to believe one instance of abuse in. this case to make those statements in.

the washington post article true if they. believed that. depp would lose. heard will be back on the stand tomorrow. and we're going to cover it for you on. law and crime thanks for listening to us. here at sidebar make sure to subscribe. on apple podcast spotify or wherever you. get your podcasts i'm jesse weber speak. to you next time. [Music].

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