Day 11 Recap of Johnny Depp & Amber Heard Defamation Trial (Sidebar Podcast EP. 5)

hey there everybody Welcome to sidebar. presented by law and crime this is where. we recap the biggest moments in the. day's biggest trials I'm Jesse Weber so. we're talking about the ongoing trial of. Johnny Depp versus Amber Heard out in. Fairfax County Virginia and we just. wrapped up day 11. Depp is suing his. ex-wife for 50 million dollars claiming. defamation namely that she falsely. accused him of domestic violence in a. 2018 Washington Post op-ed piece and. that that article ruined his life and. career but she's actually counter suing.

him for 100 million dollars saying that. he defamed her by publicly calling her a. liar and that she was making up these. abuse allegations and the day started. off with Depp calling more witnesses as. he's still presenting his case and we. started off with the deposition. testimony of Terence Daugherty this is. the CEO and general counsel of the ACLU. and a lot of you out there might be. saying the ACLU what is what does that. have to do with anything well when Depp. and heard divorced back in 2016 and she.

received seven million dollars in that. settlement she had said that she would. donate all the money to charity but Depp. is saying that herd didn't do that that. she lied something that he's been. consistent with during the course of. this case now for example heard it. promised the ACLU three and a half. million dollars but only 1.3 million. dollars has been paid out of that and of. that herd herself only paid 350 000. that's the only amount that came from.

her Pockets the rest came from debt a. Donor advised fund and even a fund that. was backed by Elon Musk who heard had. dated at that point well here's. Daugherty explaining more so after. this December 2018 donation. has misheard made any donations directly. or indirectly to the ACLU. no those are the four contributions the. one that we've just the vote for that.

we've discussed. but we're almost um. three years since her last contribution. what if any. efforts has the ACLU. made. to get Amber Heard to pay. um we reached out to we. um reached out to Ms heard starting in. 2019 for the next installment of her.

giving and. um we learned that she was having. financial difficulties. well let's let's unpack that so uh when. in 2019 did the ACLU reach out to miss. heard about making uh her promise. contributions. I don't recall the date but there is a. document that we produced that was an. email from Anthony to Amber about this.

in 2019. now herds council did try to. show that maybe it wasn't a promise per. se to pay the money and that maybe she. does still intend to pay the money even. though the testimony revealed that the. ACLU is concerned who heard will. actually pay the remainder of the. balance but here's the bottom line the. bottom line is number one it makes Amber. Heard look dishonest and in a trial. about whether or not she's telling the. truth this kind of testimony is critical. number two it makes it look like she's.

all about keeping the money for herself. then death has tried to paint her to. somebody who was ambitious for wealth. and fame over the love for him to give. you an idea about that a little bit. later on in the day we heard from Ed. White who's Deb's business manager and. he was quite taken aback with what heard. was apparently demanding in the divorce. so yeah dap is trying to pain her to. somebody who was money hungry and. opportunistic as a result. of your involvement on behalf of Mr Depp.

in the negotiation what was your. understanding of what misheard was. looking for. she initially was looking for a. consideration of four million dollars. but a demand continually increased. it went from four million dollars to. five million dollars. then it went from five million dollars. to five and a half million dollars. then it went to seven million dollars. and then it was seven million dollars. and she required demanded that Mr Depp.

also pay five hundred thousand dollars. to her attorneys. then after that consideration she also. said that all the community liabilities. that were accumulated during the course. the marriage which approximately. objections sir so the next demand. was that all of the community. liabilities. that were unresolved approximately 13.5. million dollars that Mr Depp had to pay. those liabilities in its entirety.

so at that point. she was demanding 14 million two hundred. and fifty thousand dollars. of consideration. and then it got worse the next demand. was that all of this consideration. be paid to her free of Taxation. and counselor for him to pay 14 million. 14 million 250 000 to misheard. that would require him to earn. approximately 30 million dollars so far.

beyond the scope so far beyond his. foundation of what was discussed so yeah. dap is trying to pain her to somebody. who was money hungry and opportunistic. and stay with us here at sidebars we'll. continue right after these words from. our friends at they walk among America. podcast. the award-winning team that created they. walk among us featuring True Crime cases. from the UK now bring their unique and. bone-shilling podcast across the pond to. the United States dive deep into cases.

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Ambassador and in fact the ACLU staff. including their attorneys actually. drafted and reviewed the 2018 Washington. Post article the very thing that Depp is. suing for now one of Amber heard's. defenses to defamation is that the. Washington Post article doesn't directly. reference Johnny Depp but as Dougherty. explained on the stand it seemed that. everyone involved knew that's what it. was about and they specifically had to. neutralize the language in that piece so. it wouldn't violate the terms of heard's.

dissolution agreement with debt there. was a NDA in place he basically. indicated that heard wanted even more. details in there about depth but not. only that the timing of the piece was a. bit curious. and isn't it true that Ms heard's. advisors initially revised the draft to. remove. any reference. to Ms heard's marriage or divorce I. recall a number of email Communications.

back and forth among ACLU personnel and. Ms heard's attorneys. where they were suggesting edits to the. op-ed relating to. matters covered in the MDA. and then is it also true that there were. some at the ACLU. who expressed their belief. that excising those references to.

her marriage and divorce. from Johnny Depp. made the op-ed less impactful correct. um it is correct that is correct. But ultimately based on those voices. misheard pushed to get. that excise material backed into the. op-ed so it could be more impactful true. that's not my understanding my.

understanding is that the language that. wounds up in the final op-ed piece was. very different from the original. language that Robin included in the. op-ed after having uh spoken with Amber. about her personal experiences and how. was it different. um it was it. did not refer directly to. um Ms heard's relationship with um with. Johnny Depp the goal is to get.

this out this week to capitalize on the. tremendous campaign for Aquaman. what does that mean that means from the. aclu's perspective that Amber is about. to receive an incredible amount of press. and be in the public eye so what. what better a time would it be than now. to put out this op-ed so that it. generates significant readership about. our issues. and Amber agreed with the ACLU on that.

point correct I believe the answer is. yes every step of the way we were making. these decisions with. um Amber's um PR representatives and in. fact we learned that an ACLU staff. member pitched the piece to The. Washington Post by saying hey Michael. wondering if we might interest you in a. piece by Amber Heard who was beat up by. Johnny Depp about how to protect women. in similar situations so Johnny Depp's. argument would be the article was.

clearly about him even if it doesn't. mention his name heard made up the. allegations and this is defamation by. implication and it seemed that the. article was jumping on the bandwagon of. the release of a major motion picture. and heard was starring in it so again. kind of casting doubts on the sincerity. of her allegations but we can't not. address the way the day finished up. because we saw the testimony of Depp's. bodyguards Malcolm Connolly and Starling. Jenkins and they would test the fi as a.

lot of the depth Witnesses have. testified that Amber Heard was off that. she was antagonistic that she would. scream at Depp even described her as. wearing the pants in the relationship. and one of the bodyguards describes. seeing injuries on Depp's face again all. continuing the narrative that she was. the abuser and Depp was the victim and. her team would try to show look you. weren't around 24 7 you don't know what. caused the blow up fights and. acknowledged that there were times that. Amber was in fact respectful and calm.

but this this was the real doozy you. remember that testimony that Depp. provided when he was on the stand that. his security team informed him that. while he was away someone defecated in. his bed even actually called it a grumpy. well we got a much better understanding. of what might have happened from. Starling Jenkins when he recounted a. conversation that he had with Amber. Heard as she was headed to Coachella in. 2016. and did you have any discussions.

with Miss heard on the way to Coachella. that evening. we had a conversation pertaining to the. surprise she left in the boss's bed. prior to leaving the apartment and when. you refer to the surprise in the boss's. bed what are you referring to. the defecation and what did Miss heard. say about the defecation in Mr Duff's. bed. a horrible practical joke gone. Mr Jenkins What observations did you. make about Miss heard at Coachella in.

April 2016. Chad no worries she was there to move it. up you can't make this stuff up what a. case thanks for joining us here on. sidebar make sure to subscribe on iTunes. Spotify or wherever you get your. podcasts this has been Jesse Weber speak. to you soon. thank you.