Charlie Kirk's Accused Killer Speaks in First Court Appearance

Could you state your name? >> Tyler James Robinson. >> Tyler Robinson, the suspected killer of. political activist Charlie Kirk, who was. brazenly gunned down in cold blood last. week in front of a packed crowd out in. Utah, has officially been charged and. appeared in court for the very first. time. We are breaking down all of the. legal angles of today's developments. from the charges, the evidence, anyone. else going to be arrested, and most. importantly, what can we expect next? Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law and.

Crime. I'm Jesse Weber. We have charges and a first court. appearance for 22-year-old Tyler. Robinson, the man accused of shooting to. death political activist Charlie Kirk. last week at a speaking debating. engagement at Utah Valley University. And I want to get into what just. happened at this first court appearance. Right, we're going to talk about the. charges, the defenses, evidence, discord, a lot about that, too. federal. charges. But what did the day start. with? There was a press conference held.

out in Utah to announce the formal state. charges against Tyler Robinson. Here's. Utah County Attorney Jeffrey Gray. >> I am filing a criminal information. charging Tyler James Robinson, aged 22, with the following crimes. Count one, aggravated murder, a capital. offense for intentionally or knowingly. causing the death of Charlie Kirk under. circumstances that created a great risk.

of death to others. Count two, felony discharge of a firearm. causing serious bodily injury, a. firstderee felony. The state is further alleging. aggravating factors on counts one and. two because the defendant is believed to. have targeted Charlie Kirk based on. Charlie Kirk's political expression and. did so knowing that children were.

present and would witness the homicide. The state is also charging. defendant with count three, obstruction. of justice, a secondderee felony. for moving and concealing the rifle used. in the shooting. Count four, obstruction. of justice, a third degree uh a. seconddegree felony for disposing the. clothing he wore during the shooting.

Count five, witness tampering, a. thirdderee felony for directing his. roommate to delete his incriminating. texts. Count six, witness tampering, a. thirdderee felony for directing his. roommate to stay silent if police. questioned him. And count seven, commission of a violent. offense in the presence of a child, a. class A misdemeanor, for committing. homicide, knowing that children were.

present and may have seen or heard the. murder and did so based on Charlie. Kirk's political expression. >> Okay. Again, those are state charges, not federal charges. State charges. And. Gray announced that they plan to file a. notice of intent to seek the death. penalty here. Yes, there are some new. details. Yes, there are new charges here. because when you look at the original. probable cause affidavit that listed. murder and obstruction and the firearm.

discharge charges, those were the ones. he was booked on. We now learned about. these aggravating factors, right, about. children and political expression and. these witness tampering and additional. obstruction and violent offense charges. This is new. And by the way, Gray. revealed a lot more details, too, that. are going to be pivotal in this case. Reading from the criminal information. that was filed here, and yes, there's no. grand jury that's necessarily used in.

Utah, but this is like kind of like the. indictment of criminal information, aside from all of this surveillance. footage allegedly capturing Robinson. before, during, and after the shooting, including on the roof, you need to. listen to this. They claim that he. deposited the rifle in the woods right. after the shooting. Right. The. information says, quote, "The rifle, ammunition rounds, and towel were sent. for forensic processing. DNA consistent. with Robinson's was found on the. trigger, other parts of the rifle, the.

fired cartridge casing, two of the three. unfired cartridges, and the towel." Wow. Oh, and also quote, "Police executed a. search warrant on Robinson's residence. During that search, police discovered a. shell casing with etchings like the. etchings found on the shells in the. rifle near UVU. Police also found. several targets with bullet holes in. Robinson's home. So, not only do they. have evidence linking him to this. alleged crime, they're also trying to. show right preparation, planning, and.

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Nation. So, the information also goes. into how Robinson's mother and father. suspected he was the shooter based on. the images that were released by law. enforcement. They apparently spoke to. him on the phone. They had a family. friend help turn himself in. So, now. you're talking about potential witnesses. who will testify against him. Okay, but. we got to talk about this roommate. Okay, this roommate is so important to. this case. You may have seen reporting. about the roommate. Governor Spencer Cox. had announced that the roommate was.

cooperating and now you are seeing how. Robinson is accused of trying to get. this roommate to delete evidence and. stay quiet. But the criminal information. and Gray, my gosh, revealed something. else. Confirmed what was reported that. Robinson was apparently in this romantic. relationship with this roommate who. Robinson's mother claimed was a. biological male transitioning genders. But here is what the criminal. information says. On September 10th, 2025, the roommate received a text.

message from Robinson which said, "Drop. what you're doing. Look under my. keyboard." The roommate looked under the. keyboard and found a note that stated, "I had the opportunity to take out. Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it.". Police found a photograph of this note. After reading the note, the roommate. responded in a text, "What?" with a ton. of question marks. And you're joking, right? To which Robinson replies, and. I'm going to read portions of this text.

message exchange. I am still okay, my. love, but I'm stuck in Orum for a little. while longer yet. Shouldn't be long. until I can come home, but I got to grab. my rifle still. To be honest, I had. hoped to keep this secret till I died of. old age. I am sorry to involve you." The. roommate writes, "You weren't the one. who did it, right?" And Robinson replies. or Robinson allegedly replies, "I am I'm. sorry." The roommate then later asks. why. To which Robinson allegedly writes.

back, "Why did I do it, roommate?". "Yeah, Robinson, I had enough of his. hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated. out." Roommate also asks, "How long have. you been planning this?" To which. Robinson allegedly replies, "A bit over. a week, I believe." And then Robinson. allegedly writes about getting the. rifle. I'm wishing I had circled back. and grabbed it as soon as I got to my. vehicle. I'm worried what my old man. would do if I didn't bring back. Grandpa's rifle. I don't know if I had a. serial number, but it wouldn't trace to.

me. I worry about Prince. I had to leave. it in a bush where I changed outfits, didn't have the ability or time to bring. it with. I might have to abandon it and. hope they don't find Prince. How the. bleep will I explain losing it to my old. man? goes on to say, "Remember how I was. engraving bullets? The bleeping messages. are mostly a big meme. If I see notices. bulgew on Fox New, I might have a. stroke." Robinson then allegedly texts, "Delete this exchange and don't talk to.

the media, please. Don't take any. interviews or make any comments. If any. police ask you questions, ask for a. lawyer and stay silent." So, that makes. up the witness tampering charges, right? And how much of that that exchange is. consistent with the allegations that. authorities put out about what the. shooter did, right? I know. I know it's. How many times do we talk about text. messages being some of the most. important evidence you can have in a. criminal case? Sometimes it's ambiguous.

What did they mean? What? This is really unambiguous in my. opinion, but I'm going to debate it out. in a minute. But then later on in the. day, Tyler Robinson made his first court. appearance. It was virtual. He appeared. via the Utah County Jail, but it was an. appearance for the fourth judicial. district court. >> Could you state your name? >> Tyler James Robinson. >> Thank you for being here, Mr. Robinson. I'm Judge Graph. >> Mr. Scoris.

>> Good afternoon, your honor. Uh, you're. probably already aware of my presence or. why I'm here, but if not, I am not. entering appearance. I'm not counsel on. this case. I'm working with the county. to get council uh assigned but we need. you to allow for the appointment of. council. >> Thank you Mr. Scoris. Uh it is well I. want to go through the uh qualifications. for indigency but that is my intent Mr. Scortis and I thank you for being here.

>> So Mr. Robinson you have a right to an. attorney. If you cannot afford one, the. court can appoint an attorney to. represent you. I have reviewed your. declaration of financial status and find. that you are indigent. I'm provisionally. provisionally appointing a rule A. qualified attorney to represent you on. your case, Mr. Robinson. Along with. their filing of their appearance of. counsel, the assigned attorneys must. file declarations with the court that. outline their qualifications under rule.

eight and in rule 8 C, I'm sorry, under. rule 8B and rule 8 C for council. appointment in a case where death may be. a sentencing option. I'm ordering that. those declarations be filed prior to the. next hearing date, which is set for. September 29th at 10 10:00 a.m. Uh, Mr. Robinson, I also wish to inform you of. your rights against self-inccrimination. Anything that you say in court today.

could be used against you and we want to. protect your constitutional rights. Mr. Mr. Robinson, at this time you will. remain in custody without bail. Mr. Gordis, is there any other points. that you wish to address? >> No, thank you very much, your honor. >> Turning to the state. >> Yes, your honor. Chad Grunander for the. state. I'm also joined um and they're. listed as attendees Ryan McBride, Lauren. Hunt, David Sturgil, and Chris Ballard.

We are the trial team on this case. I do have a few points I'd like to bring. up with the honor with your honor. We. have filed a pre-trial protective order. on behalf of Erica Kirk. We would ask. the court to review that. It should be. in your queue, your honor, and sign. that. >> Thank you. I have reviewed the pre-trial protective. order and will be grant issuing uh this. pre-trial protective order in favor of. Erica Kirk. Is there any other business.

that we need to address today, council? Just for the court's information, we did. file just recently within the last few. minutes a notice of intent to seek the. death penalty that was filed uh by Utah. County Attorney Jeff Gray. So that. should be in the court's file. Um. lastly, I would just indicate uh to the. court and to at this point, Mr. Robinson, that uh we are prepared to uh. collect all of the discovery in this. matter and get that turned over to the.

defense as soon as possible. Rule 16. requires us to uh provide what we have. relied on in charging the information. and bringing these charges within 5 days. uh once it's requested. So that'll be. prepared to disseminate to the defense. as soon as possible. All right, so now I. want to talk about all of this and let. me bring on renowned criminal defense. attorney Bradford Cohen. Bradford, so. good to see you. Thanks so much for. taking the time. First of all, I want to. go over what we just saw uh in this. court appearance. Why was there a.

protective order issued for Erica Kirk, right? Charlie Kirk's widow, the. victim's widow in this case. What is. that about? >> Yeah, it's not unusual. It's usually. typical in these type of cases where. even if the individual is not getting a. bond, uh the prosecutor always asks for. a stayaway order or or uh a non-cont. order. And why they do that is because. just in case a third party is contacting. like they don't want someone calling.

from jail and speaking to their father, their mother. Not that that would happen. in this case, but I'm just saying in any. case, they don't want them speaking to. anyone else and saying, "Hey, you should. really have a discussion with Erica or. see if she will back off the death. penalty or anything like that." And. that's why they enter these orders. And. it's typical in these type of cases. It's not just typical in these type of. cases. is typical in any kind of violent. crime whatsoever. >> Is that also because he's been charged. with obstruction and witness tampering?

There's an emphasis on making sure that. nobody harasses her or tries to talk to. her in any way. >> Sure. I think that that's that that can. be one of the reasons. Like I said, I. think it's very typical, especially in. high pro. So, I've had high-profile. cases across the board where especially. in high-profile cases, they don't want. anyone that is related to the case. contacting the victim's family or any of. the immediate people that are around. him, friends, anything like that. And.

this is, you know, it's a it's a really. horrible case. So, I don't think I. didn't expect them not to do that. Let. me put it that way. I I thought that. they would have something in effect that. would say don't contact either his wife, his kids, or any of the immediate. family. >> By the way, the court ruled that he was. indigent and they have appointed him a. rule 8 uh it's appointment of counsel. under Utah law. He can't afford his own. attorney. Very interesting because it. seems at this point he's not getting any. financial support from family or.

friends. Were you surprised to hear. that? >> Not really. I think that, you know, at. this point, this individual is persona. nongrada with everyone. I don't see his. family really stepping up and and paying. for a an attorney for him. Not knowing. what I know, if it is true, uh what the. discussions he had with his father, the. discussions he had with another sheriff. that ended up helping him surrender. I'm. not surprised that he doesn't have the.

money or that his family is not going to. give him the money. It would also not. shock me if some of these fringe real. left-wing organizations might come up. with money to donate to him. You know, in these cases, it's really quite. interesting where individuals that have. allegedly committed horrible crimes are. either supported by different. organizations or they get love letters. suddenly and and they're somehow put on.

a pedestal. And you see that in in quite. a few cases where the evidence is. overwhelming, but there's still this. need to support this individual because. people support quote unquote the cause. that this individual allegedly stood. for. And you see that with Manion in in. New York where he's getting amazing. support and allegedly, you know, he. point blank assassinated a guy with two. kids and a wife. So you see that quite. often in these cases and I wouldn't be.

surprised to see it. I think it's going. to be very difficult to find a defense. attorney that is going to be willing to. put themselves on the line for this. And. that's always difficult because as. defense attorneys, we are it's almost. like a doctor, right? We're we're sworn. to to uphold the law and and an oath to. take cases. I personally take cases that. I feel very vehemently about. I take. cases that I I I'm passionate about. this type of case obviously is going to. be very difficult to find a defense. attorney that's going to be passionate.

about it. >> Um, and I'll get back to the defense in. a second. Um, you know, they mentioned. September 29th, 10 a.m. is a waiver. hearing where he can decide if he wants. to wave a preliminary hearing. Correct. So, in Utah, there's a preliminary. hearing where the prosecutor presents. evidence to, you know, is there enough. probable cause to move this forward to. trial? If the judge says there is, then. it goes into an arraignment and then he. will enter his plea of guilty or not. guilty. Any advantage to wave a. preliminary hearing or not wave a.

preliminary hearing? I I can't imagine. what the advantage would be to wave it. because wouldn't you kind of want to. hear what the government's evidence is? >> Yeah, you're spot on. So in in districts. where they have preliminary hearings, there's quite a few, California being. one, you don't want to wave your. preliminary hearing because at the. preliminary hearing, that's where you. really start to figure out, okay, what. are the witnesses going to say? What. evidence do they have? What are they. going to present? And don't forget at a. preliminary hearing, the state is also.

kind of playing these little games where. they don't want to put on every bit of. evidence, but obviously they want to. show the strength of their case and the. strength of the evidence that they have. against the individual. And it's a very. low burden to show that there is. probable cause to arrest and charge this. individual with the crime that they're. charging him with. So that usually isn't. the issue. Really, the issue here is. going to be whether or not they want to. put on this kind of dog and pony show. when they know kind of the evidence.

that's already out there. My opinion is. you have to. I I think it's malpractice. not to and wave that preliminary. hearing. I think that would be a huge. mistake in a case where this is it's. it's this large. But again, you know, the the evidence that I've seen, it's. it's going to be a very difficult case. for anyone to say that this was uh not. him. >> So So So that brings me to now what. happened today, right? They have listed. a number of charges against him. It's. not necessarily right. Did he do it.

right? Is he guilty of doing it? It's is. he guilty of aggravated murder? Is he. guilty of obstruction? Is he guilty of. witness tampering? I will tell you, I. was talking about this before. There is. a mountain of evidence. I mean, if they. say that they have the DNA, his DNA on. the rifle and the towel and on the. trigger and the bullet casings and they. go back and found a search warrant and. go to his house and they find engravings. on a shell casing that match the other. engravings. And then you have the the. parents who may be potential witnesses,

you have this conversation with this. roommate. You and I both know that text. message conversations are such key. evidence. I I don't know how you say. it's ambiguous. I mean, he allegedly. admitted it's him, said why he did it, talked about things arguably maybe only. the killer would know about the rifle. and the engravings, but at the same. time, from a defense perspective, is the. name of the game going to be? We try to. make try to have none of that evidence.

come in. And if it does come in, we say. it doesn't meet the elements, the very. specific elements of aggravated murder. or enhancements that he's facing, you. know, like with children being present. or this being a killing done for. political expression. I mean, is that. the name of the game here? >> Yeah, I think the name of the game is to. mitigate it as much as possible. That. would be my guess. The only advantage. when we're talking about preliminary. hearings, the advant the only advantage. the only advantage of waving it would be. if there was some sort of negotiation to.

take the death penalty off the table and. not have to put people through a. preliminary hearing. I don't see that. happening in this case. I think that the. only thing that they can do is mitigate. the circumstances. I know there's a lot. of conspiracy theories that are flying. online. Uh I I've seen the videos. I've. seen the evidence in terms of what. they're presenting. I've read the PC. affidavit. Uh, I've read those texts. I. think that it's it's almost an. impossible task to say that he did not. do this. And the admission to his.

father, the gun that was given to him by. his grandfather, the grandfather's. probably going to come in and be a. witness. The father himself, uh, obviously they have very different. political views from the the text and. things of that nature that he, uh, relayed to his roommate. I don't see. this being anything but a mitigation. type case where you're saying, "Okay, maybe the aggravators don't meet the. requirement. Maybe it's not witness. tampering." But even with witness.

tampering, it's not really a stretch. when you're telling people, "Hey, get. rid of text. >> Delete the message. Don't talk.". >> Yeah. And and not only that, they're. going to triangulate these phones. They're going to know exactly where he. was and when he was there. Uh it this is. going to be a mountain of evidence. You'd have to live on a different planet. or be a complete moron to think that. this there's some way to walk this guy. There is no way to walk this. And and I. just want to I I want to give you a. caveat. Yes. Yes, I I I am I am slightly.

biased in this case because I have met. Charlie Kirk many many times um at. different events and and no matter what. you feel about someone's political views. or even their personal views this he was. just a a good kid to talk to funny kid. knowledgeable kid and it's and and those. are the things hopefully are not lost in. these cases where you know you just. simply talk about you know the evidence. against a defendant and and the. defendant himself. Hopefully that does.

not get lost in this case. And it's a. really this is a real uh tragedy. Not. that any murder is a good murder. Um but. this was a tragedy because it was a what. we consider someone who is just someone. that's off the the battlefield. He's. just someone who was giving his opinion. on things and and was was murdered. because of his opinion. >> And I say the same thing about with the. Manion case in the sense that I don't. care if you hated Charlie Kirk. I don't. care if you disagreed with every single. thing that he said. Murder is wrong.

Murder can never be the answer. And for. those who are not convinced by that. argument, what would you say if someone. else who has a different opinion than. you says, you know what, you deserve to. die. Your hero deserves to die because. of their opinions. This becomes a very. slippery slope. I said it with manion. I'll say it now. It doesn't just end. with health insurance insurance. executives. It goes to politics. It goes. to real estate. It goes to this, it goes. to that. There's people, there's a lot. of enemies in society. It can't turn to.

violence. Okay, I get off my soap box. because. >> it was a good soap box. >> Um, from the defense though, and look, I. you know, the evidence, if they can. present all of this and it comes into. court, it's I mean, it's such a strong. case. However, you know, aggravated. murder, they're trying to say it was a. killing done uh in the commission of a. of an incident. There were circumstances. where it presented a grave risk of death. to others. The idea of firing a shot. Yes, Charlie Kirk was the target, but.

you're firing a shot into an open crowd. Is there room for a defense to say, "I. don't think that's aggravated murder.". Is there grounds to say, you know, was. this really a killing done for political. expression? Yes, he was killed right as. he's talking about gun violence, right? As he's talking about the transgender. community. Um, you know, a killing done. in the presence of children. They. focused a lot about that. Again, going. back to these elements is there, look. what just happened with Manion. They. threw out some of his charges because. they said they weren't terrorism. It. didn't fit the definition. Is that what.

we're talking about here? >> I mean, that's the only thing that they. can they can argue. I I think it's going. to be very difficult. Like I said, um. there's a couple things at play, right? The first thing at play is whether or. not there is case law in Utah that this. meets the criteria, right? one shot in a. large crowd uh that's aimed specifically. at one individual is that going to be. considered aggravated murder. Um I I. don't know of of any case law that that. stands for either for or against that. I.

think that it's going to be a difficult. case because of that. And then I think. the secondary thing that it's a. difficult case in these high-profile. cases, I was surprised, not shocked, in. the Manome case because I thought the. terrorism charge was a little unusual in. that case, the state terrorism charge. because of the way that that went down. in as opposed to this. I mean, there. were children present, right? This was a. big gathering of of 3,000 people that. brought kids and and brought other.

individuals to this event. I I think. that's the only thing they have is to. argue those things. And how far does it. get them though, right? At the end of. the day, let's say you eliminate some of. those things. It's still a first-degree. murder case. It's still a death penalty. case. Even with without those things, I. think there's still enough aggravators. Yeah. Where it's still going to be a. death penalty case. So, it's like, is. the juice worth the squeeze on that? Maybe maybe to a defense attorney to to. try and chalk one up on the board. Maybe.

it's worth trying to argue that, hey, this isn't a witness tampering case or. this isn't aggravated murder, it's just. regular murder. Um, I I don't know. I. think that that's the argu only argument. they're going to have at a preliminary. hearing. But I think more of the uh the. the same path is that they're going to. the preliminary hearing just to see what. is out there, see the evidence that they. have, and then and then kind of try and. put together some kind of case. I think. ultimately they're going to beg for uh.

to take the death penalty off the ca off. the the table and I think this is very. difficult, right? I think the family is. going to have to discuss it. I think. they're going to weigh very heavily on. uh the Kirk family. I think Erica Kirk. is going to have a voice in that and. whether or not she believes uh that this. individual should be put to death or not. put to death. I have my own view on. those things, but I'm not the victim's. family in this case. Uh, and I think. that she will have her own view and and. and go according to her religious.

beliefs and things of that nature. I it. wouldn't shock me. It wouldn't shock me. if Erica uh would say, you know, to take. that off the table. This it's a very. difficult thing to to go forward with. >> Then he would have to agree to plead. guilty to the most severe charges. He. would have to agree to plead guilty to. the enhancements. One of the reasons. they're really moving for these. handheldments because if you look at. aggravated murder under Utah law, there. can be um life and without parole. There.

can be life, you know, uh there can be. an indeterminant term of not less than. 25 years that may be for life, so 25 to. life. They if they're like, we're going. to take the death penalty off, you're. going to prison for the rest of your. life with no. >> that would be the only Yes. Yeah. That. would be the only thing I could imagine. is that he would plea uh to to life. without parole uh over a death penalty. sentence. You know, listen, in this type. of case, unless there's other mitigators. that I don't know about, it's a.

horrible, horrible case. And and there's. arguments on both sides of the the coin, death penalty, not death penalty. when. you're the when you're the victim's. family, uh I don't think I I find very. few people would say, "Hey, I don't want. the death penalty, but the the Kirk. family is is unique and I think that um. you know, they they have strong. religious beliefs. I'm not sure where. that's going to fall, uh but I'm sure. they'll make the right decision.". >> Real quick before I let you go, federal.

charges, is that on the table? I can't. I'm trying to struggle with what the. federal charges would be, if there are. any. um you know it so the gun obviously. was not made in the in the state that it. was fired in. Uh there's federal charges. that you could bring for interstate. commerce and also um if there was some. sort of uh political that you know you. associated with a political murder. Um. there's there's some charges that you. could uh fit for this kind of case. I. don't know if that's the route that. they're going. I think they're going to.

see uh again I think this is very driven. by um Charlie's family and a discussion. with Charlie's family. I don't think. anyone is just going to make the move. without a discussion uh with Charlie's. family and I and he's got a very a great. family that you know meets and talks and. I'm sure they've had many discussions. here. Uh it was very tough to watch uh. that that funeral and you know they're. gonna I'm sure they'll make the right. choice of how to move this forward. I. don't know. Are there federal charges.

that could be filed? Yes. Will they be. filed? Like again I think that the. driver of this is going to be Charlie's. family. >> And I didn't know that you um knew. Charlie and had that connection. So I'm. sorry for your loss. I'm sorry for uh. what's been happening in the past. >> He was a great he was a very funny guy. He was a he was a good kid. He was a. good kid. and and and this is a a real. shame. Like I said, doesn't matter what. your your beliefs are. And I have I have. friends on both sides of the aisle and. I'm friendly with Democrats or. Republicans. This was a tough one, too,

uh to watch and and even tougher um when. I found out the details. >> And we're still in the beginning stages. of this legal process. We'll continue to. cover it here on Sidebar. Thank you so. much for coming on, Bradford Cohen. Always appreciate it. >> Thanks for having me, Jesse. >> And that is all we have for you right. now here on Sidebar. Everybody, thank. you so much for joining us. And as. always, please subscribe on YouTube, Apple Podcast, Spotify, wherever you. should get your podcasts. You can follow. me on X or Instagram. I'm Jesse Weber. I'll see you next time. [Music].