5 Lies Epstein’s Lawyer Allegedly Told Congress

saying how he knows knows nothing in. defiance of actual evidence showing he. knew a lot. Uh, I think he again is. perjuring himself. Um, if I if they're. advising him, I'd tell him to take the. Fifth Amendment because I believe he's. guilty of perjury. Jeffrey Epstein's. lawyer is now in the crosshairs. Not. only testifying in front of the. congressional committee that's. investigating the inner workings of the. deceased financier, the sex offender, but now he is being accused of perjury. Let's dive in. Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law & Crime. I'm Jesse.

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Committee that is investigating the. Epstein saga. This is something we were. previewing, we were waiting for him to. testify, and I want to do a deeper dive. into Darren Indyke in light of what he. testified to. And considering the name. Indyke, when you type that in to the. DOJ's website for the whole Epstein. files library, when you type in Indyke, comes up 30,000. results. Now, this is a man who has. never been arrested. He has never been. charged. But, to give you an idea about.

why he is so potentially important, according to the BBC, there are court. filings that show that either Indyk or. Epstein's accountant, Richard Kahn, who. did a whole sidebar on as well, usually, quote, had signatory authority over. virtually all of the accounts held by. Epstein. And, I'm talking dozens and. dozens of accounts. Now, if that's the. case, then what were they authorizing. payments for and what did they know? Those are the central questions, right? And, it should also be noted that after. Epstein died, both Kahn and Indyk, they.

were managing the settlements that were. paid out from the Epstein Victims. Compensation Fund to victims. We're. talking payouts of over $121 million to. more than 135 survivors. So, they were. definitely a part of Epstein's world. Now, in the Epstein files, I will tell. you also this, to show you how important. he is, how central he is, the feds. actually created a diagram of Epstein's. inner circle. Guess who's right at the. top? Right above Epstein, Indyk, okay? Now, here is what he had to say in his. opening statement to the committee,

which was released publicly. I will tell. you the deposition itself was private. It's not clear if it's going to be. released publicly at a later date. We. don't have the full transcript. We don't. have any video of it, but we get a sense. of some of the things that he said. So, Indyk said, "My complete lack of. involvement in that misconduct is a. matter of record. Not a single woman has. ever accused me of committing sexual. abuse or witnessing sexual abuse, nor. claimed at any time that she or anyone. else reported to me any allegation of. Mr. Epstein's abuse. He led two entirely. separate lives, his professional one and.

the other, a private personal one that. caused many others to suffer. That I did. not know what my client did in his. private life may be difficult for some. to believe, but it is true." And, he. explained he was only one of several. lawyers that Epstein used, that he had a. strictly professional relationship with. him, adding, "My primary role was to. provide corporate, transactional, and. general legal services to Mr. Epstein. and his companies and I did so. And. Indyk also provided a bit more insight. into Jeffrey Epstein as a client like.

how he had trouble getting approved for. a credit card after J.P. Morgan Chase. cut ties with Epstein after he was. convicted of sex crimes in Florida. Remember solicitation of prostitution, procurement of a minor, solicitation of. prostitution including a minor. That's. basically what we're talking about. Quote, "It is undisputed that during. this time period Mr. Epstein had. difficulty accessing credit cards from. major banks." And again, I think this is. referring to cash withdrawals that he. apparently made for Epstein over the. years. Now, Indyk said that he never. tried to get around the bank's policies. on cash withdrawals and that he never.

believed that the money was used for. quote, "improper purposes.". He said quote, "For a person in Mr. Epstein's financial position with five. multi-million dollar residences staffed. by dozens of employees and with an. extensive travel itinerary, it did not. strike me as unusual that Mr. Epstein's. business, household, and personal needs. required large amounts of cash on a. regular basis." Now, I'm going to get. more into the accusations, but one of. the things that Indyk was accused of, he. was accused of helping facilitate.

same-sex sham marriages for immigration. purposes, right? To get around. immigration requirements and immigration. law. And there was court paperwork from. the government's case against J.P. Morgan Chase that said this about an. alleged victim quote, "During the latter. part of this period, she was forced into. an arranged marriage to another victim. that was facilitated by defendant. co-executor Indyk to prevent the other. victim from being deported. Indyk and a. New York immigration lawyer retained by. Epstein prepared the victim for. communications with U.S. immigration. officials almost immediately after the.

wedding. When the victim inquired about. ending the marriage and leaving. Epstein's circle, Indyk repeatedly tried. to talk her out of a divorce and. threatened that she would lose Epstein's. and his associates' protection." Now, Indyk called these allegations 100%. untrue. There were references by the. way, to this marriage or these marriages. in the Epstein files, maybe seemingly. So, for example, you have this email. from redacted to Epstein, 2013, "Good. morning, Jeffrey. We're going now to get. marriage license." And she's asking if.

it's possible to meet with you because. she has some questions. Now, in terms of. Epstein's crimes and what he was accused. of doing, Indyk said, quote, "He was. adamant that he had no idea anyone. involved was underage and personally. assured me he would never again let. himself be in that position. I believed. him and I made the mistake of believing. Mr. Epstein that he would not again. commit a crime. I deeply regret doing. so. Most importantly, I feel horrible. for those women who Mr. Epstein abused.". So, again, that's his justification for.

continuing his relationship and his work. with Jeffrey Epstein after Epstein was. convicted out in Florida. Now, again, I. want to make this clear. We don't have. the video. We don't have the transcript. of the deposition, but we have kind of. his opening statement. We don't know. exactly the questions that were asked, right, the tone, all of that. Having. said that, this is big. In terms of. whether or not Darren Indyk was telling. the truth, I want you to listen right. now to what Representative Dave Min had. to say to reporters. Look at this. >> I'm a an attorney, a former law. professor, had the chance to ask a few.

different lines of questions earlier. with Mr. Indyk. And I have to say I'm. very surprised that he did not take the. Fifth Amendment. I think it's very. likely he perjured himself over and over. and over again. Uh and just to give you a few examples, I'm not going to go into detail, but um. you know, he he claimed and I think this. is in the statement you all received, uh. that he had no knowledge of any women or. girls. And yet how that doesn't account. for the fact uh that numerous women have. described how he helped them fix their. problems. Uh one woman had described how. uh she had helped he had helped her get.

a an apartment. Uh they he helped women. with their immigration issues. Uh he. reportedly told a number of women not to. talk to police when the police started. investigating Epstein. Uh it's just not. credible to claim that you had no. knowledge of what was happening. Uh, I asked among other things about um. the $725,000. that he withdrew in cash at the maximum. level of $75 to $100 per withdrawal that. doesn't trigger federal reporting. Um, he couldn't describe what that was. for, just kind of you know, again. claimed no knowledge and don't want to.

get into the details. You'll read the. transcript, but uh, this is just not. credible. What is also really something. that is incredible is that the FBI and. Department of Justice had never. interviewed Mr. Indyk uh, or Mr. Kahn. even those people were central figures. in the Epstein files and and the scandal. around the rapes, the human trafficking, and all that. Uh, and I just want to. applaud uh, Robert uh, Jasmine, Summer. Lee who's not here with us because it's. under their leadership that we're moving. forward right now. And I think what has.

become crystal clear over the course of. these last few depositions is that these. people have lied to us over and over and. over. And what is really important is. that we get the documents because the. documents are the things that can. actually show us what actually happened. here. Uh, I I suspect he's going to give. a few more hours of saying how he knows. knows nothing in defiance of actual. evidence showing he knew a lot. Uh, I. think he again is perjuring himself. Uh, if I was advising him I'd tell him to. take the fifth amendment because I I. believe he's guilty of perjury. Yeah, pretty pretty incredible, right? So, pleading the fifth by the way, it's your.

right against self-incrimination. You. don't have to say anything that would. incriminate yourself in a criminal case. You don't have an obligation to be a. witness against yourself. Representative. Robert Garcia also shared a similar. feeling releasing the following. statement after Indyk's deposition. Quote, "Darren Indyk played a central. role in facilitating Jeffrey Epstein's. abuse of women and girls and managing. legal strategies that helped Epstein. avoid government scrutiny. In his. deposition before the committee, Indyk. would not confirm or deny a settlement. with Jane Doe 4 who accused Donald Trump.

and Jeffrey Epstein of abuse when she. was a minor. However, he confirmed the. existence of hard drives held by. Epstein's private investigators. These. hard drives are of great interest to our. committee. Survivors and victims of. Jeffrey Epstein deserve to know the. truth. Oversight Democrats will not stop. until there's full transparency about. everyone complicit in Epstein's crimes. So, is it possible that Darren Indyk. committed perjury? For that, I want to. talk about him a little bit more. I want. to go through some of the mentions of. him in the Epstein files in materials,

see what they may tell us. Like for. example, let me just start here. There. is this 2019 account of a Polish former. model who worked for Jeffrey Epstein, claimed she worked for Jeffrey Epstein. as an assistant between 2005 and 2006. Remember, these are allegations. Spoke. to the FBI, spoke to federal. prosecutors, and this is what it said. Epstein told Redacted that there was an. investigation and that it had something. to do with visas. Epstein told Redacted. that they were asking about her parents. Epstein had surprised Redacted with a. visit from her parents. Redacted knew. that Epstein was lying about how her.

parents got their visas. Redacted. recalled the time when she was on the. island and Epstein told her, "Do you see. the cameras? They're watching me.". Redacted did not recall how she had. learned about the actual reason for the. initial investigation. Epstein's. counsel, Darren Indyk, called her into. his office and told her not to talk to. law enforcement. Later on, the summary. of this interview goes on to say, "A. Department of State agent, Ben Wolf, flew on Epstein's plane and asked who. all of the girls were." Epstein told.

Redacted that she should ask Wolf about. her immigration status. Epstein also. told her to talk to Indyk, but Indyk. could not help. And her interview makes. one more important alleged revelation. about Indyk. Summary says, "Redacted. recalled a Cuba trip where Redacted. kissed Fidel Castro's cheek." Redacted. was called in by Indyk who told her that. if she ever needed help to contact him. and never talk to the police. Redacted. recalled feeling that something was off.

How about this account from Lance. Callaway, apparently served as Jeffrey. Epstein's personal chef between 2006 and. 2009. That's a critical time period. Remember, that was when Jeffrey Epstein. was arrested and ultimately pleaded. guilty, you know, entered into that. sweetheart deal, pled guilty to the. Florida sex crimes charges in order to. avoid more serious federal charges. So. again, solicitation of prostitution. involving a minor, procurement of a. minor. So it says this, quote, while. Callaway was living on the island, he. learned that there was an investigation. into Epstein. He then started looking. for a new job in New Jersey. He.

eventually left. Darren Indyke, Epstein's attorney, told Callaway that. if someone approaches him with something. to not accept it because he could be. getting served. How about this FBI form. about an interview with the FBI and. federal prosecutors 2019 where this. alleged victim claims that Jeffrey. Epstein and his associate Ghislaine. Maxwell, who as we know was convicted of. sex trafficking serving 20 years in. prison. The claim is that she was. sexually abused by both of them when she. was 14 years old. It says, quote, redacted's interaction with Epstein.

faded out. Redacted would make excuses. In approximately 2001, she stopped. contact with Epstein and Maxwell. Redacted had a boyfriend at the time who. questioned who Epstein was. Epstein. called and screamed at her telling her. how ungrateful she was. Epstein's. attorney, known to law enforcement as. Darren Indyke, contacted redacted and. told her that she owed Epstein $10,000. because Epstein co-signed for an. apartment in New York City where. redacted and her family lived. At this.

time, the apartment had been leased out. to someone who is not paying the rent. So that raises questions on both sides. You could say, if this is true, Epstein. maybe contacted Indyke and just said, hey, I know somebody they need to pay. up, explain those circumstances, but not. the circumstances of how he allegedly. knew this person or what was between. them. Or the less charitable way of. looking at this could be, if Indyke is. asking this, he probably wanted the full. story or maybe knew the full story about. what the relationship is here, particularly if you're saying, "Why.

would you pay someone's rent? Or why. would you give somebody an apartment? What are the circumstances surrounding. this?" A lawyer maybe would want all the. questions. I don't know, but it's just. two ways of looking at this. Is there. knowledge of alleged abuse, or is there. knowledge of alleged abuse? And by the. way, did any of this actually happen? Not entirely sure. There's another. account, another aspiring model claimed. that she was a victim of Epstein. And. when Epstein was arrested out in Florida. in 2006 on those sex crimes, I want you. to listen to what she claims Epstein. allegedly told her. Quote, "Epstein. helped redacted with some monthly.

expenses." By the way, I have to say. something. Whenever you hear these. allegations of Epstein, you know, paying. for things, trips, gifts, whatever it. is, paying for tuition, whatever it is, that goes to like the sex trafficking. component. He was never actually brought. to trial on it, but it would have been. the idea of, you know, using all of. these financial means, commercial sex, right? Using force, fraud, or coercion. to have people engage in commercial sex. acts. So, that's kind of like that. exchange is how it would have been. relevant at a trial, I think. But it. says, "Epstein helped redacted with some.

monthly expenses. She felt that as long. as they were friends that he was going. to look out for her." While she was. taking the state tests, Epstein reached. out and told her that he was thinking, "Modeling agency," and he would like for. redacted to manage it. Epstein told her. she needed to work in the industry for 6. months. August of 2006, redacted learned. that Epstein had been arrested. Epstein. told her this, but she didn't know the. details. He told her it was an enemy out. to get him. The only info redacted had. was from the papers, and it wasn't. talked about. It was like an awkward. silence. Epstein told her to call Darren.

Indyke if contacted by law enforcement. and not to speak with law enforcement. Epstein did not specifically say not to. talk to law enforcement, but to contact. Indyke. Epstein told her not to. introduce him to anybody, and he was not. interested in meeting new people for. massages. And I want to get to this, too. Goes to the knowledge component. again if we're talking about uh Darren. Indyke with the alleged knowledge that. in October of 2019, so after Epstein's. death in jail, there was a Sherry. Quigley that was interviewed by federal. agents. Now, Quigley at one point had.

worked for Deutsche Bank, which as I've. talked about before, came under a lot of. scrutiny regarding its association and. work that it did with Jeffrey Epstein. and wanted to cut off ties. But, Quigley. had made a filing to the safe SAIF. mailbox that was related to certain. transactions. Safe is, by the way, a. suspicious activity information form. It's when you flag that something might. be, you know, illegal, questionable. It. says, quote, "Quigley did see the. Epstein accounts paying women who. appeared to be models of legal age. She.

also recalled Epstein's attorney, Darren. Indyke, withdrawing $7,500. in cash each week. A safe, SAIF, was. filed on Indyke." Now, that's big, okay? Again, that's suspicious activity. information form. By the way, remember before when you heard about the. hard drives and information like that? We've talked a lot about storage. lockers, right? Whether Epstein and his. associates locked away materials before. they could be found by authorities that.

were searching his properties. Again, we. dedicated sidebars to this. I want you. to look at this. So, this is from August. 2009. It's about a month after Jeffrey. Epstein was released from jail in. Florida on the sex crimes charges. And. it seems that there was a request from. Epstein's accuser, Virginia Giuffre, regarding certain evidence in a. litigation. Now, this is an email that. Epstein seemingly forwards to his other. attorney, Roy Black, and his other. attorney, Martin Weinberg. The email is. from a William Riley, this investigator.

that we believe Epstein had hired. And. it has the subject, Epstein, and it. reads, "Bob, over the weekend I learned. that plaintiff's counsel are looking to. get from me the computers and paperwork. I took from Jeff's house prior to the. search warrant. I have them locked in. storage and would like to know what to. do with them. They are no longer needed. in the criminal case, I assume. Is it. possible to give you these items for. your review and safekeeping or give it. to Darren Indyke or back to Jeff, etc. Now, I think now's a good time to.

mention that Indyke and Epstein's. accountant, Richard Kahn, also. co-executor of Epstein's estate, he was. also deposed by the House Oversight. Committee, denied any knowledge of. wrongdoing. They were sued. The main. allegation, for example, in this 2024. class action lawsuit was that they. enabled and facilitated Epstein's sex. trafficking operation and quote, were. also integral in allowing Epstein to. escape justice for years by concealing. his litany of crimes. And even though. they deny the accusations, the estate. ended up settling for up to $35 million,

but there was no admission of any. wrongdoing, no admission to doing. anything wrong. There was another legal. settlement over claims that involved, among other things, that Epstein's. attorney, who ABC sources say is Indyke, carefully withdrew money for Epstein to. avoid setting off alarm bells. So, in. other words, limiting withdrawals to. $7,500, not the $10,000 threshold that. would alert the Treasury Department. In. fact, in a settlement of a lawsuit, it. was alleged that between 2014 and 2016, Indyke cashed almost 45 separate checks,

again, each in the amount of $7,500. You. heard him deny this kind of skirting of. the rules, of the regulations, but in. litigation, it was alleged that there. were almost 100 individual withdrawals. of $1,000 from Epstein's account through. an ATM that was only a short walk away. from Indyke's office, but there was no. evidence that Darren Indyke was in fact. the one who made those withdrawals, but. just again, something interesting to. call out. Now, I also have to call out. this, okay, regarding knowledge and. thoughts on Epstein. So, at one point, Darren Indyke seemed to attest for.

Epstein's character. This is when. Epstein was going to be sentenced for. the Florida criminal charges. So, in the. paperwork that I believe was sent to the. defense attorneys that they then sent to. the court of federal prosecutors. It. said, quote, "Mr. Indyk has written that. over the last 6 years Jeffrey has funded. literally hundreds of thousands of. dollars tuition assistance to many. individuals, some of whom Jeffrey has no. connection with whatsoever from the. preschool to the postgraduate levels.". Then there's this alleged account from.

Indyk that was included. Shortly after I. began working for Jeffrey, I experienced. a personal and unexpected tragedy. After. 5 years of marriage my wife and I. learned that I was infertile and we. could not have children in the. traditional manner. The recommended. treatment protocol required my wife and. I to undergo prohibitively expensive in. vitro fertilization cycles, which we. could not afford and which were not then. covered by the company's medical. insurance. It goes on to say, "Without. even a moment's consideration, he, meaning Jeffrey, told me to go for.

treatment and send him the bills. Having. been with Jeffrey only a few months, I. was astounded by his generosity and. hurried to my desk to call my wife to. share the amazing news." In the days and. weeks that followed Jeffrey personally. researched infertility issues and shared. the results of his research with me. Goes on to say, "Without Jeffrey's. support and stubborn daily. encouragement, we would not have." He. then recruited his then girlfriend. Ghislaine Maxwell to meet with us to. offer assistance with local adoption and. overseas adoption procedures and to. encourage us to try again. Thankfully, after our fifth cycle, my wife and I.

were blessed with twin daughters. Although Jeffrey was adamant that we. owed him nothing, Jeffrey honored us by. agreeing to be the godfather of our. children." Something else that's. interesting, Bloomberg did this article. on how an HSBC branch in Paris had shut. down Epstein's bank account in 2007. because it flagged suspicious activity. So, apparently a few weeks later Indyk. and his legal representative out in. Paris, Marie Joseph Experton, had. emailed about the account. Experton said. she would try to figure out what.

happened and then apparently Indyk. emails Epstein and asks how hard he. wants Experton to push to find out. what's going on, even saying, "Quote, is. there something that she does not know. so that she should just back off from. the bank?" By the way, Indyk's lawyer, Daniel Weiner, said in a statement to. CBS after it was announced that Khan and. Indyk were going to be subpoenaed for. testimony, "Quote, it is worth. emphasizing that not a single woman has. ever accused either Mr. Indyk or Mr. Khan of committing sexual abuse or. witnessing sexual abuse, nor claimed at.

any time that she reported to them any. allegation of Mr. Epstein's abuse. Indyk. and Khan did not socialize with Mr. Epstein, and they have always rejected. as categorically false any suggestion. that they knowingly facilitated or. assisted Mr. Epstein in his sexual abuse. or trafficking of women, or that they. were aware of Mr. Epstein's actions. while they provided legal and accounting. services to Mr. Epstein." By the way, that is very consistent with the kind of. opening statement from Indyk earlier, so. you can obviously see why I think the. argument would be that lawyers reviewed. and maybe even wrote that opening.

statement or help write that opening. statement. Now, there's a lot more I. could get into, but this kind of gives. you an idea of what we're talking about. here. And here's the deal. For a perjury charge, those can be. notoriously difficult to prove unless it. is, you know, black and white. You say. this and I can show it's a lie because. you said or did this, right? A lot of. times when someone testifies, to prove a. perjury charge, it's about context, it's. about intent, and particularly when. you're dealing with a lawyer, it may be. difficult to find that key smoking gun,

that key direct evidence of knowledge or. participation or coordination or. involvement in what Epstein was accused. of doing, especially if a lot of these. communications are subject to. attorney-client privilege. But if the. committee feels that Darren Indyk. committed perjury, they can refer that. to the Department of Justice, the DOJ, for potential prosecution, and this. morphs into a real, live criminal case. Of course, there could be a potential. trial, there could be more evidence that.

comes out, more arguments would come out. because a lot of this is a battle right. now for the truth, the truth of what. happened and who was potentially. involved. Although I will tell you from. a political point of view, doesn't seem. the DOJ has an appetite to prosecute. anybody right now with respect to the. Epstein saga, but who knows, something. could change. Just interesting to say. the least about Darren Indyke and. Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer and what he may. or may not have known about his client. That's all we have for you right now. here on Sidebar. Thank you so much for. joining us and as always, please.

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