5 Grisly Details Exposed in D4vd Murder Complaint

We believe that Mr. Burke is entitled at. the earliest opportunity to a open. preliminary hearing and the proceedings. not be done in secret. So, we are asking. for a preliminary hearing to be set at. the earliest possible date. David was in. court. The criminal complaint including. the complex murder charge has been made. [music] public and I interviewed the Los. Angeles County District Attorney about. what is going on right now. Lot to get. into [music] with the latest in the. murder case of David, the man accused of.

brutally killing a 14-year-old girl. We. want to break down the statements, what. to expect from an upcoming hearing, whether this is a strong [music] case, what the evidence may be, is there a. tension between the LAPD and the DA on. charging David? Lot to get into. We're. going to start right [music] now. Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law &. Crime. I'm Jesse Weber. By the way, if [music] you're into. content creation, if you're putting. things out on social media, have you. ever wondered how we're able to share so.

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David's family, so much to get into. And. I also want to bounce this off of my. guest later on in the show to make sense. of what may be happening behind the. scenes, okay? Now, this piggybacks off. of what we talked about yesterday when. the 21-year-old singer, the Romantic. Homicide singer, was officially charged. by the LA DA in connection with the. death of 14-year-old Celeste River. Hernandez whose decomposed, dismembered. body was found in the trunk of a Tesla. reportedly registered to David back on.

September 8th, 2025. Now, to be clear, before I even get into the criminal. complaint, David is innocent until proven guilty, okay? These are merely allegations, okay? They haven't been proven in a. court of law. Just want to make that. clear. Now, I'll tell you what, instead. of going to the presser from yesterday. that was held by the LA DA because we. played all of that in our prior episode. from yesterday, what we didn't have. yesterday when we did that episode, but. we have right now is the official. criminal complaint. It was filed, it has. been released, we have our hands on it.

So, let me read to you. On or about. April 23rd, 2025 in the County of Los. Angeles, the crime of murder was. committed by David Anthony Burke who did. unlawfully and with malice aforethought. murder Celeste, a human being. So, you're talking about a premeditation, you're talking about an intent to kill. It is further alleged that the murder of. Celeste was intentional and was carried. out by the defendant David Anthony Burke. for financial gain. It is further alleged that Celeste was a.

witness to a crime and was intentionally. killed because of that fact. It is. further alleged that the murder of. Celeste was committed by David Anthony. Burke and that the defendant. intentionally killed the victim by means. of lying in wait. It is further alleged. that in the commission and attempted. commission of the above offense, David. Anthony Burke personally used a deadly. and dangerous weapon, sharp instrument. By the way, what you are seeing here are. special circumstances allegations that. could enhance the penalties. So, you're.

talking life in prison, you're talking. potential death penalty even though. there's a moratorium on executions in. California. So, originally when you had. a murder charge, it'd be what, 25 to. life with the possibility of parole. If. the jury sides or believes that these. special circumstances occurred beyond a. reasonable doubt, then you're talking. about that enhancement. You're talking. about life in prison without the. possibility of parole or again, even the. death penalty. And look, we knew that he. was being investigated for murder. We. didn't know these particular theories, right? The main theory here that was. revealed by prosecutors was that Burke.

allegedly invited Celeste to his house, at which point he was lying in wait to. murder her, to kill her because she was. allegedly going to report or expose her. alleged sexual relationship with David. in some way, that that is a crime. because she was a minor. So, again, the. circumstances of that are not entirely. clear. I don't know how they're going to. prove that, but that seems to be their. main theory, which brings me to the next. charge. On or between September 7th,

2023 and September 7th, 2024 in the. County of Los Angeles, the crime of. continuous sexual abuse in violation of. penal code section 288.5, a felony was committed by David Anthony. Burke who did unlawfully engage in three. and more acts of substantial sexual. conduct and three or more lewd and. lascivious acts with Celeste, a child. under the age of 14 years, while the. defendant resided with and had recurring. access to the child. So, not just one.

alleged occasion, but multiple pattern. here. Again, how they'll be able to. prove that, maybe texts, witness. testimony, videos, I don't know, photographs. It will be interesting. On. or about May 5th, 2025 in the County of. Los Angeles, the crime of unlawful. mutilation of human remains was. committed by David Anthony Burke who did. willfully and unlawfully mutilate. remains known to be human, specifically. the remains of Celeste. Now, you're. going to see this more from court in a. minute, but David's legal team went on.

the defensive, okay? They issued the. following statement. The actual evidence. in this case will show that David Burke. did not murder Celeste River Hernandez. and he was not the cause of her death. Such specific language there. Now, in a. separate statement on Monday, a lawyer. for Mr. Burke's family, Ken Shafer, said. the Burkes are not surprised but are. terribly disappointed that the District. Attorney chose to charge David. Nevertheless, they support and stand by. him 100%. Patrick Steinfeld, a lawyer apparently. for the River Hernandez family, said in.

a statement that family members were. quote committed to ensuring that. Celeste's voice is heard and added that. on learning David's arrest, her father, Jesus Rivas, said thank God justice for. Celeste. And then we go to what happened. later on in the day yesterday. David's. arraignment, okay, where the defense. requested an immediate preliminary. hearing. I'm going to explain this. afterwards, but take a look. >> Counsel on behalf of your client, do you. waive formal reading of the complaint,

advisement of rights including our. forces and veterans rights, and enter a. plea of not guilty denying any and all. special allegations, enhancements, and. priors? Yes, Your Honor. And you request a You. request a preliminary hearing within the. uh period? Yes, Your Honor. Uh from the. media reports, uh apparently there've. been 4 months of secret grand jury. proceedings. We believe that Mr. Burke. is entitled at the earliest opportunity. to an open preliminary hearing and the.

proceedings not be done in secret. So, we are asking for a preliminary hearing. to be set at the earliest possible date. on the 10th day. Your Honor, uh. we believe the actual evidence will show. David Burke did not murder Celeste River. Hernandez nor was he the cause of her. death. And we would like to be able to. have the evidence come into the light of. day at the earliest opportunity in order.

to establish that. We're asking for April 23rd as a three. of 10, Your Honor. So, maintaining his. innocence, saying he didn't murder her, not the cause of her death. Again, find. that interesting cuz I do wonder, what. are you saying here? That there's going. to be a battle of experts? It's not. entirely clear what caused her death? Are you going to be pointing the finger. at someone else? Goes to the idea of the. preliminary hearing. So, as opposed to a. grand jury, which is a secret. proceeding, it's more one-sided, you. have jurors, you just need a majority to.

determine there's probable cause to. indict. Here you go to a court. A court, you present the evidence by the. prosecution to suggest there's probable. cause for this case to move forward. The. defense has an opportunity to fight back. though at this hearing. And it's. interesting that they're asking for this. immediate. They want to put the. pressure, it seems, on the prosecution. So again, not the typical grand jury. route. I want you to keep that in mind. because again, I interviewed LA DA, Los. Angeles District Attorney Nathan. Hochman, who filed all these charges.

You'll see what he had to say in a. minute. But from there, you get a back. and forth in court yesterday on. discovery, you know, the evidence in the. case, a back and forth on the coroner's. report because as we know, the ME's. findings have been sealed. But as you're. about to see, maybe not for long. We. have been. uh given almost no discovery thus far. We've received a three-page uh follow-up. report, uh no autopsy report, and a copy. of the complaint. And we would ask the. people uh. respectfully to produce discovery at the.

earliest opportunity. Your Honor, as I indicated to counsel, there's approximately 40 terabytes. [clears throat]. of discovery [snorts]. in this case. Moreover, in order to. obtain the transcripts from a grand jury. investigation, counsel has to file a. motion. She knows the way the system. works. I'm not able to gather those. Uh. they have to be provided after the court. orders them released because it was an. investigation. Second of all, if council plans on going.

to a preliminary hearing within the 10. days, it is unlikely that there will be very. much discovery provided within that. period given the voluminous nature and. how long it's going to take to copy onto. drives. In addition to that, the. coroner's report was sealed in this case. in order to prevent it from hampering. truthful testimony from witnesses that. testified at the grand jury. So, an. order will also have to be obtained in. order to get the coroner's department,

which is now the medical examiner's. department, to release those materials. Your honor, it's surprising news given. the district attorney's office held a. press conference this morning where they. discussed the cause of death. apparently under seal and not released. by the coroner's office. As did robbery. homicide unit to the press. So, we would. again reiterate we believe that Mr. Burke is entitled to discovery. We have.

served the people with notice. They have. 15 days to. produce discovery in this case. We would. ask that they do that in. conscientious earnestness and as quickly. as possible. I ask the court to make an. order today. We'll take a copy of the. minute order ordering the Department of. Medical Examiner to release. their coroner's report in this case. Thank you, your honor. The court will order that the medical.

examiner release the report in this. case. So, it appears that that medical. examiner report is going to be released. And when that autopsy report comes out, that will hopefully fill in a lot of the. blanks in terms of cause of death, what. authorities believed happened to. Celeste, the potential use or the. alleged use of this sharp instrument. And as Hockman indicated in his press. conference yesterday, he said the. coroner has come up with a conclusion. Speaking of the LADA, I spoke with him, Nathan Hockman, on my NewsNation show.

Jesse Weber Live last night. And among. other things, I asked him about why. David wasn't charged on Friday when he. was arrested. When apparently there were. these grand jury proceedings that were. underway. Whether there was any tension. between the LAPD and the DA. Like maybe. something happened in the grand jury. proceeding, something was a hold up and. they couldn't get back an indictment. And the LAPD arrested David, put. pressure on the DA's office to charge. Here was his response.

>> There's an investigative grand jury that. hears testimony, can receive documents. through subpoenas. And then there's an. indictment grand jury. While we can't comment yet until the. grand jury transcripts are unsealed by a. court, I can't even confirm that a grand. jury has occurred. There have been media. reports that certain individuals both. cooperative witnesses and uncooperative. witnesses went in front of the grand. jury. So, there was this report that. perhaps you weren't on the same page. when it came to charging David. Your.

response. That's completely unfounded. We have. been on the same page working in. lockstep with the LAPD robbery homicide. since they picked up this case in. September of 2025. >> And basically made the argument that. preliminary hearings are common here. Again, that they're lockstep, on the. same page. But obviously I have a lot of. questions here. I really want to know. where this is going to go. What are we. reading behind the lines? What is the. strength of the case? What is the. strength of the evidence? I want to. bring on friend of the show, friend of. mine, trial attorney Rick Showenstin.

Rich, always good to see you. Thanks for. taking the time. There's so much to. break down here. First of all, the. charges. We anticipated that there was. going to be a murder charge, right? What. we didn't anticipate, or at least I'll. speak for myself, multiple theories. here, right? Multiple special. allegations, lying in wait, witness, financial gain. I didn't see that. And. also, the sex crimes charges, right? I. mean, that was another big one where. there'd been this thought, if if you. want to charge David, if you want to go. after him, is there not evidence that he.

was allegedly involved in in in a sexual. relationship with a minor, you could. have arrested him earlier on and then. figured out the the homicide charges. So, I'm made of questions here. First, let me ask you the murder charge and the. way that they're charging it. It seems. like they're going different paths. towards a. potential conviction. Yeah, well, they. have they have three different you. alluded to it. They. >> Yeah. three different special. circumstances. They have the theory that. uh well, lying in wait under the theory. that he I guess was waiting for her.

Um that he did it for financial benefit. and that he did it because she was a. witness to the crimes, which takes you. back to the sex crime part of it. She. was the key witness to those. And those. are all special circumstances that get. you up to murder one and even. potentially make it a death penalty. eligible case. >> How do they prove that? I again I. interviewed Nathan Hockman, he wouldn't. reveal too much about that. Obviously. it's an ongoing case. How are they going. to prove that he specifically was lying.

in wait, that he lured her to the house, that he was concerned about his career, about her exposing him or allegedly. exposing him. So, I don't know sitting. here today how they're going to prove. any of it except that obviously they can. prove that she's dead. and that her body was dismembered, right? Those are the only things and. where the body was found. Those are the. facts that we know. I imagine through. witnesses they can establish her. relationship with David. So, can.

probably prove that. But how do they. prove without witnesses that it was a. sexual relationship? How do they prove. without witnesses that he is the killer? I think the theory is he lured her in, murdered her, and dismembered her. How. are they going to prove that he did that. as opposed to somebody in his ambit or. somebody else? A lot of it has been she. went to the house. Yeah. No one she was. never seen again. Yeah. And that is like. what they really focused on. Obviously.

they didn't get into more details, but I. guess that piece of circumstantial. evidence, right? They didn't say there. was a smoking gun. They said it was the. totality of the evidence. They can show. she showed up to the house and was never. seen again and it was a property that. was in, you know, I I don't I don't you. know, I don't think it was necessarily. one that he owned, but that was rented. for him where he was staying at. I guess. they will establish what? That he was. the only one in the house or. >> Maybe. There's nothing wrong with. circumstantial evidence. There's lots of. these cases are built on circumstantial.

evidence. So, the circumstantial evidence is her body. was found in his car. and it was dismembered. So, that that is. circumstantial evidence. She had a. relationship with him. I guess there's. evidence that she went to the house. But. I don't think we know all the evidence. they have Right. because we haven't had. this preliminary hearing yet. We haven't. seen it. We're going to find out more. about the evidence. And the things I'm. looking for, what is the scientific.

evidence, right? They examined her body. What did they find? Did they find his. DNA? And what is the witness testimony. that they have? Because there's been. references to cooperating and. non-cooperating witnesses. Who exactly. is going to say what? I would imagine. that's been a lot of the reason these. proceedings have been delayed and pretty. secretive. By the way, so you heard me. have the back and forth with Nathan. Hockman last night. And he said, look, LAPD, DA's office, we've been in.

lockstep. Um that, you know, in LA. there's a number we there's an. investigative grand jury that just hears. witnesses and maybe locks in testimony, right? And there's a difference between. a grand jury that indicts. Um And And there's still people who will. look at this and say something's maybe. not adding up, right? I mean, even. Nathan Hockman said you have. cooperating, non-cooperating witnesses. But I guess the question would be, does. it make sense to you that he was. arrested and then charged versus. indicted through a grand jury, arrested,

and but now they have to go to a. preliminary hearing in front of a judge, which I do wonder is it easier to move. forward in a case in a preliminary. hearing versus a grand jury? I guess. there's a bunch of questions there as we. think about it. It could make sense to. me. I you know, again, there's so much. here that we don't know about how they. got to this point and you have to choose. the strategy if you're a prosecutor. In theory, it's easier to go to a grand. jury cuz it's completely one-sided and.

grand juries usually sign on to what the. prosecutors want. That's just a fact of. life. So, you would think in theory. [snorts] it would be easier to go to the. grand jury, but you have to be able to. present your evidence and I don't know. if there were challenges to presenting. the evidence. I don't know if there was. a feeling at some point that we just. have to move forward and get him. arrested and get him off the street. We. can't wait anymore to finish this grand. jury process. We don't have all the. witnesses yet. I don't know what the. hold up was. So, I'm not going to assess.

the strategy when I don't have complete. information. Uh. sometimes it proceeds this way and they. go to a preliminary hearing and we will. find out then more than we know now. about what the evidence is. And I mean, he made it seem LAPD, DA's office were. in lockstep. I asked him, I said, you. know, there is a theory here that LAPD. made the arrest, put the pressure on. your your office to charge because there. was some hang-up in the grand jury and. he goes, it's unfounded. I interviewed.

Mark Geragos afterwards and he seemed to. disagree. You know, one of the things I. thought was interesting and I mentioned. this to Hockman last night was like when. there was an arrest, your office came. out and said, we are aware of the. arrest. Right? That doesn't necessarily. Like we're in this together. We knew. about it. I don't know. I don't know. I. mean, I have have little bit of. suspicion there, too. The best case. would be that they are in lockstep, that. they are working together, they are. getting along. I suppose pretending to.

work together is second best. At least. they're not actively being hostile with. each other. But I don't know what the. truth is. >> If there was a hang-up in the grand. jury, what is it? This If If I'm reading. between the lines and he says. uncooperative witnesses, why would you. need them? Why would you need them? Let's say even you had Isn't there maybe. the digital evidence, the forensic. evidence enough to establish these. potential charges, the probable cause. for these charges? Even if you had. uncooperative witnesses, what role would. they play? >> I I would think that you had enough. evidence to get an indictment in the.

grand jury. Now, I'm I'm just going to. wildly speculate here. Suppose. non-cooperating witness means we put on. a witness in front of the grand jury and. they didn't say what we thought they. were going to say. And it mucked up our whole presentation. because now some witness pointed the. finger at somebody else or surprised us. or just didn't tell the story we thought. they were going to tell. And so now. we're left with this grand jury. proceeding. We need to present more.

evidence, we need to hold the grand jury. over. We're not totally sure we're going. to get an indictment, so we're just. going to do it this other way. This went. into another question that I had with. him. If the allegations are true, it may be hard for people to believe. David allegedly did this all on his own. Singer who allegedly kills this. 14-year-old girl, dismembers her, stuffs. her into the trunk of his car in bags. It's a lot for one person to. theoretically do, and yet he's the only. one charged, which begs the question,

are there cooperating witnesses? And. you're going to make deals with somebody. who. potentially was involved in this? So, well, you ask a good question and and. you said a lot of things about David, and the thing you didn't say is he's. very young. Yeah. >> 21 years old. So, this 21-year-old kid, and I'm sorry, 21 is still a kid, right? >> Well, I will tell you, by the way, I I. get a lot of heat online. People say. don't call him a kid. He's a He's a man. He's a man. >> I I He is legally a man, he'll be tried. as an adult, but in terms of. decision-making, I think if you talk to.

medical people, they will tell you your. brain is not fully formed until you're. like 26 years old. But put that aside. It It It is hard to imagine him on his. own concocting the plan, committing the. murder, doing the dismembering, going. out and getting body bags, putting them. in the trunk of his car entirely on his. own. That does seem to me implausible. It. seems to me more likely that there was. somebody else involved on one or more.

parts of that. And that could be what. this investigation has been having to. deal with. When I listened to the press. conference, when I listened to Hockman. last night, it seems to me they are not. completely closing the door on charging. somebody else. And if you're asking me. what would change whether or not that. person decides to cooperate. If they. decide to no longer cooperate, maybe. they would be charged. I might be 100%. wrong, but is that what's maybe going. on? >> sounds totally plausible. The idea in. these kind of scenarios that you have.

people who are deciding if they want to. be witnesses or defendants. And. remember, if there are people who were. involved, they don't want to testify. adverse to him. If they're friends of. his, they don't want to testify adverse. to him. There's different kinds of help, right? There could be people who helped. plan it, there could be people who. helped do it, there could be what we. call accessories after the fact. There. could just be people who know about it. or think they know about it. And so, if. you're a prosecutor, your pitch to a lot. of those people is, do you want to be a. witness or do you want to be a.

defendant? Yeah. >> And And And it depends if they think. that he is the one. who is really responsible for this. horrible, violent act, then they will. make deals with others in order to pin. the responsibility on him. >> What about this idea? I thought it was. very interesting where the defense says. that not only did David not murder. Celeste Rivas Hernandez, he's not the. cause of her death. That's very. specific. It makes me wonder, is there a.

debate about how she died? Is there a. debate about what caused her death? And, you know, are we talking there might be. a battle of medical experts to determine. I mean, we don't Again, at the time of. this recording, we don't even have the. autopsy report. We don't know the cause. of death. But Am Am I wrong in thinking. that's maybe where they're going? And I. don't think they have that report. >> That is what I thought when I heard that. language, too. He is not the cause of. her death. Are they going to say the. death was accidental, but some people, one or more people, tried to get rid of.

the body? >> [clears throat]. >> Or. um or are they going to say somebody. else did it, and then one or more people. tried to get rid of the body? Are they. going to say David At the end of the. day, they're going to say David didn't. do it, had no connection, had no. knowledge of it? But when you make a. more limited statement like he was not. the cause of the death, that leads you. to suspect it's a more nuanced defense. >> Yeah, in court they indicated they. didn't have the autopsy report. That's.

why the court said we're going to. basically release it. So, how can they. make a statement like that unless he. told them something? >> Yeah. Well, right. So, they would have. to have information about how it was. she did die, which means he is involved. at some level. Um and then And then the question would. be, even if you're not responsible for. the death per se, there are other crimes. here that appear to have been committed. I mean, starting with the sex crimes. because it sounds like this legal adult,

as you say, was having a relationship. with a 13-year-old, which is not legal. And look, the state of her body, the. decom- the decomposition, the. dismemberment, I do wonder if that's. going to complicate cause of death. I. remember in the press conference, he he. indicated Nathan Hockman indicated that. the coroner, the medical examiner, did. come up with the conclusion as to cause. of death. But if they're debating it, the defense, I wonder if there's room. Yeah. I think that defense would point, you know, the defense is going to put.

the prosecution to the test of proving. cause of death. And then if tying that. cause of death to this defendant, that's. going to be the difficult aspect. And. the prosecution's going to try to help. that with this motive stuff, right? She. was going to be a threat to his future. impending stardom, and she was a witness to things that. were criminal acts, and therefore he. wanted her out of the way. That's why. they're going to lean into motive in the.

prosecution of this case. You don't even. have to prove motive generally to get a. murder conviction, but it helps. >> Let's just take a step back. We talked. so much about this preliminary hearing. Some people might be like, "Well, what. are you talking about? What is a. preliminary hearing?" So, if you can. explain what a preliminary hearing is. and why the defense would want it. immediately. Like they they want a. preliminary hearing as soon as possible. >> Yeah, the defense So, that is a key strategy decision that. defendants always have to make. Sometimes they waive a preliminary. hearing because they don't want the.

evidence presented publicly, and they. they know what the evidence is, and they. don't want to see it right away. Sometimes [snorts] they insist on a. preliminary hearing. It is an in-court. presentation of the evidence of the. probable cause for these charges. It's. not a full trial on the merits, but it's. a presentation by the prosecution. evidence they have. And if your strategy. includes a possible argument that they. didn't even have enough evidence to. charge this, then you want to have the.

preliminary hearing right away and put. the prosecution to the test. Show us. what you have. And if you suspect. that your prosecutors don't really have. their heart in this prosecution, that. the police are pushing them, which is. one of the theories we went over, then. you maybe that makes you want to put. them to the test. Make them go to court. Make them put this evidence on. We want. to know exactly what they have, exactly. what they're saying, and we want to be. able to challenge it right now.

>> How much of the evidence from the. prosecution is usually presented in a. preliminary hearing versus a trial down. the road? A lot of it. I mean, there's not much. re-. >> And cases develop, and investigations. develop, but. >> develop. There's not I mean, for. example, if you had scientific evidence, which you should have by the time you. get to a preliminary hearing, there'd be. no reason not to present that. Uh if you. have basic evidence about their. relationship and your theory of the. case, you would present that. And And. would we know who potential cooperating. witnesses are?

Maybe. Maybe. >> And And right, because that's another. issue is is to how quiet they're trying. to keep that. I They got to disclose it. to him at some point, so. Yeah. Okay. Look, this is a very big development. There's things that are rapidly. happening almost every day now. Um at. the time of this recording, we're still. waiting for the autopsy report to be. released, and I asked Nathan Hockman. about this last night, but I imagine. that's going to fill in a lot of pieces. of this puzzle. I mean, if he's talking. about a sharp instrument, if they're. talking about what the cause of death. is, that autopsy report is going to say.

a lot. What would you be looking out for. there? Yeah, well, I want to see what it. says is the cause of death, and is it. conclusive? And does that support the. theory of the case that this 21-year-old. committed this crime, committed the. murder, right? We'll get to the other. stuff, and then you have to figure out. how are they proving he committed the. dismemberment. >> [snorts]. >> That's a separate issue. Um but I. people want to know what the cause of. death was, and how certain they are on.

it. As you know, sometimes autopsy. reports are uncertain, and that's a. problem in this kind of prosecution. >> Mhm. Mhm. Look, I think it's going to be. really, really interesting uh to explore. this and see where it goes, because. again, it's 7 months that people have. been waiting for for sort of answer. And. to be clear, David is innocent until. proven guilty. His attorneys are saying. that he didn't do this, so we will see. what happens. We'll see what happens. when the preliminary hearing happens. Uh. Rich Schoenstein, thanks for taking the. time. Appreciate it. >> Always glad to come in. Good to see you. >> Good to see you. And that's all we have.

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