15 Shocking Sex Abuse Claims Against School District

teachers, school staff, and. administrators accused of knowing that a. Wisconsin high school was a hunting. ground for sexual predators and doing. nothing about it. That is the accusation. from three women who all went to Alcanto. Falls High and realized that they. experienced some of the same alleged. abuse and even the same alleged abusers. >> It's been going an ongoing um cause of. just hurt and pain. And so. >> now they have filed a lawsuit to hold. this school district accountable and.

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Wisconsin that are right now waiting. They are waiting a reply from the. defendant after they filed a 60page. lawsuit last week. and their suit is. seemingly backed up by arrests and a. conviction of school staff in connection. with the parent grooming and assault of. teenagers in their care. It can get a. little tricky depending upon the. jurisdiction in terms of what prior. convictions can be used as evidence in a. civil case or subsequent uh civil. filings, but just generally this is what.

we're talking about. So, this lawsuit. claims that when the school district. learned about allegations against. teachers or staff, they didn't follow. their own procedures. Instead, the. accusation is that they allegedly. covered up the misconduct. According to. the law firm that filed this lawsuit, that meant that one of the plaintiffs. abusers was allowed to stay on the. district's payroll and eventually abuse. another one of those plaintiffs years. later. Even though there was multiple.

years of reporting and they warning. signs and yet they failed to act. What these women discovered in 2025 was. not just an isolated incident but a. deeply disturbing pattern of teacher. student sexual abuse that happened over. decades. As we allege in our lawsuit, this school. board, its deliberate indifference. created and protected an environment and. culture where predators had access to.

children. And these students were left. unprotect unprotected, unheard, and alone. These women are coming forward now not. only to seek justice for the harm that. was caused to them, but also to expose. the institutional failures that allowed. the abuse to continue and to demand. meaningful change so no other students. have to endure what they did. Our lawsuit in has three plaintiffs. Grace Williams, who's present to my.

right, Amanda Watska, who's present to. my left, and Brooke Lacount, who cannot be here today. These three. brave young women have come forward with. these claims because they want to solve. an institutional problem. They want to stop the culture where sex. abusers, groomers, other school staff. who think it's okay to engage in. sexualized conduct and grooming towards.

students is allowed to flourish. The. goal of this lawsuit is to cause a. cultural change both at Okanto Falls. High School where this happened and. hopefully throughout the region. Again, our clients are Amanda Watska, Brook Lount, and Grace Williams. Uh, these three women are from Okanto Falls, Wisconsin. All three of them endured. sexual grooming and abuse by teachers. and coaches while they were minors. enrolled in this district's schools.

Through our investigation over the past. approximately eight months, we have. identified at least nine teachers at. least and staff members who engaged in. sexual abuse, grooming, or severe. sexualized misconduct with other. students at Okanto Falls. Of those other. students, we have identified at least 14. known victims. over an approximate 20-year period from. 2005 to 2025.

20 years, folks, that children sat in. these classrooms, trusted the adults. around them, and were failed by every. single person in a position to protect. them while at that school. We're asking. you to come forward. Let's blow this. open. This is a reckoning for this. problem. It's got to stop. And these. women have stepped forward to carry the. load to make it stop. All right, the suit's been filed. We're.

waiting on a judge assignment and a. first court date. Uh once I have the. paperwork, the summons back from the. court, we will send it out for service. on Okanto Falls and we'll keep you. further updated as we go forward. Thank. you very much. Questions? >> So, it seems this lawyer introduced the. three plaintiffs in this case. Grace. Williams, Amanda Watska, and Brooke. Lount. According to the filing, these. women didn't even know each other back. in high school, but that they met later. on social media and realized they all. had similar stories of apparent grooming. and inappropriate contact with district.

employees. Also, by the way, literally. breaking as we recorded this, two more. plaintiffs were added to the lawsuit as. part of this amended complaint. Both. former students of Okanto Falls High. School, Briana Kaine and Kayla Casper. And we're going to hear from one of. those plaintiffs, Amanda, in just a. moment. But first, I want to go through. some of these allegations, okay? And I. do want to let you know upfront that. this filing names a lot of different. people. And we're only going to be. identifying the three people that the. women directly accused of abuse, so two.

of whom have either already been. convicted of sex crimes or are currently. awaiting trial. And also of note, the. lawsuit doesn't name them as defendants, instead only naming the school district. itself. But you read from the complaint. and it says, quote, "This is a civil. rights action arising from the sexual. grooming and abuse of three students at. Akanto Falls High School by teachers and. coaches employed by the board. Planiff. Amanda was groomed and sexually abused. by her tech education teacher David. Heisel while she was a student at a.

Kanto Falls High School from. approximately 2010 to 2013 when she was. between the ages of 16 and 18. When you. talk about liability and responsibility. of the school district, the board, it's. because the people, the educators who uh. are accused of doing all this, they were. employed. They were acting as agents, right, of the employee. You're talking. about uh not something that they did, not within the scope or the course of. their employment, but that it was. connected to it, right? So, I just want. to make that clear as we go through it.

As of now though, David Heisel has not. faced criminal charges in connection. with any sort of sex crimes, but the. complaint does make pretty damning. allegations against him and even. provides photos of him with Amanda, which we'll get more into the specifics. in a second. But the Green Bay Press. Gazette, and by the way, also I should. tell you criminal case is very different. from a civil case, right? So you might. not have sufficient evidence to. prosecute to say that someone committed. a crime beyond a reasonable doubt, our. highest standard. Whereas when you talk. about potential liability from the same.

set of facts, the same set of. circumstances, all you need to usually. show is a prepoundonderance of the. evidence, right? So more than 50%, it's. a lower standard of proof. So that's why. sometimes you can see uh a finding of. liability in a civil case, but maybe no. charges in a criminal case or maybe not. guilty in a criminal case. All right. Now, the Green Bay Press Gazette reports. that while Heisel's name still appears. on a district website as being a. teacher, he's not listed in the school's. directory. Continue from the complaint. Plainiff Brooke was groomed and sexually.

abused by assistant volleyball coach Bin. Marie Larson while Brooke was a. 15-year-old sophomore at a Konto Falls. High School during the 2013 2014 school. year. Plainiff Grace was groomed and. sexually abused by substitute teacher. Bin Marie Larson while Grace was a. 17-year-old junior at Aonto Falls High. School in February through April 2018. Now, those dates kind of give you an. idea of how long the district is accused. of allowing a predatory environment with. the plaintiff's allegations dating all.

the way back to 2010 and some concern in. the filing that it could have even been. going on even longer. The lawsuit also. names a third former staffer, ex-teer. Gail Gander. The 60-year-old was. reportedly fired from the district back. in December, charged in January with. five counts of sexual misconduct of. school staff, three counts of child. enticement involving the exposure of. genitals and three counts of exposing. his own genitals to a child. None of. those plaintiffs accused Gander of. abuse, but they claim that his charges.

are in connection with teenage boys. You. go back to the lawsuit. Throughout the. periods of their abuse, plaintiffs were. minors who did not understand that their. teacher's conduct was predatory, criminal, or constituted actionable. civil wrongs. Each plainif always. remembered the facts of what occurred to. her, but did not understand until 2025. that those facts reflected criminal. conduct and constitutional violations. Now, this is important because it speaks. to why the women are coming forward to. file this lawsuit now, years later, when. there could have been a statute of.

limitations issue, right? you know, is. it time barred? But also goes to. credibility. Why do you wait all this. time to file a lawsuit, make these. accusations? So, their legal team argues. that since the women didn't realize what. happened to them was a crime until 2025, that's when the clock restarts. Quote, "The theory of Plaintiff's case against. the board is not simply that they were. sexually abused, but that they were. abused by teachers and coaches under. circumstances created by the board. through its pervasive custom and policy. of knowing about teacher student sexual.

abuse and failing to act." A lot of. these lawsuits you the question is, did. you create an environment for this to. happen? Right? Did you enable this to. happen? Quote, "While plaintiffs were. aware of their abuse, they had no. knowledge and no reason to know of the. board's unwritten policies, customs, and. practices tolerating sexual abuse and. grooming across many teachers and. students and the board's deliberate. indifference to such conduct until fall. 2025 when they learned of the full scope. of teacher student sexual abuse at a.

Konto Falls High School and the board's. decadesl long pattern of ignoring it. The board's conduct in maintaining such. unwritten policies, customs, and. practices was entirely within the. board's own control and holy and wholly. unknown to plaintiffs prior to 2025. By. the way, let me just quick sidebar here. These are allegations. These are. allegations, right? They're making some. serious accusations against the school. board and the school district, but and. obviously they'll have a and obviously. the other side will have an opportunity. to respond and defend themselves, but I. just want to make that clear. In fall of.

2025, plaintiffs discovered for the. first time that the board had such. unwritten policies, customs, and. practices of fostering and condoning. sexual abuse and grooming by discovering. that at least nine different teachers, including their own abusers, had engaged. in grooming and or sexual abuse as to at. least 14 identified victims spanning a. period of at least 20 years, 2005 to. 2025. and that the board had. consistently failed to investigate, discipline, or otherwise act on reports. of abuse. So, the complaint then has.

this chart laying out some of the. allegations, when they reportedly. happened, who was involved, who was. allegedly involved. The alleged victims. are identified by their initials. Some. of the people in the perpetrator column. are identified as staff members A, B, C, D, and E. So for example, staff member A. is accused of quote alleged sexual. conduct in Ice Shack in approximately. 2011. Staff member B is accused of. alleged sexualized quidd proquo for.

grades between 2012 and 2015. The chart. claims that staff member C and D. participated in alleged verbal. harassment on multiple occasions, made. propositions to a sugar baby after. graduation, and sent inappropriate. social media messages. The lawsuit then. gets into specific claims that are made. by Amanda and Grace and Brooke. I want. to start with Amanda. Now, she claims. that she met David Heisle in her. sophomore year, that she was interested. in drafting and architecture. So, she.

took several classes with Heisel, the. teach the this tech education teacher. She claims that Heisel showed her. special attention, nominating her to be. student of the month and helping her to. go to a competition called Skills USA. and she claims that his interactions. with her went beyond a normal teacher. student relationship. Quote, "Heisel. began discussing personal subjects with. Amanda, including his personal life, interests, and hobbies, while asking.

Amanda about her personal interests, home life, and hobbies. Heisle started. inviting Amanda on drives during her. sophomore year, continuing through her. senior year. During these drives, they. would go to Heisel's job sites, go out. to eat, and sit in his vehicle and talk. for hours. Amanda does not have an exact. count, but of hers. These drives. occurred at least weekly, sometimes. multiple times per week over. approximately three years, including her. junior and senior years. Destinations. included his construction sites, Green. Bay, his house, and his grandmother's.

house. During these drives, Heisel. discussed his sex life with Amanda, inquired about her sexual history and. experiences, and discussed his home. life, his marriage, and his children. while alone with Amanda. Amanda was 16. and a sophomore when these drives began. So according to Amanda, Heisle told her. about his upbringing as a Christian. Reportedly told her he could take care. of like a good Christian man would or. could take care of her like a good. Christian man would. She claims that he.

told her his wife had cheated on him, but that he was going to leave for. Amanda. And she says she believes she. was in this legitimate romantic. relationship. And she even allegedly. provided a few photos from her high. school years that she says backs up her. claims that heisel was openly. inappropriate with her. For example, there's a photo of a tape measure or. there's seemingly a photo of a tape. measure that Amanda kept with her that. kept with her supplies in the classroom. with her maiden name on it and she. claims that Heisle put his own initials.

DH at the bottom. that there's another. apparent photograph showing Amanda. posing with a male student and Heisel. apparently in a black sweatshirt is off. to the side looking at the pair in what. Amanda described as a kind of defensive. posture. There's also a photo of Heisel. and Amanda at her graduation from Aanto. Falls High and she's holding Heisle's. young son making it seem like they were. a family. That seems to be the uh. characterization there. And according to.

Amanda, I mean the real thing here is. that she claims Heisle sexually. assaulted her during an out of town. trip. Quote, "In or about spring 2012, Amanda attended a Skills USA competition. at Chula Vista Resort in Wisconsin. Dells. During this trip, Heisel entered. Amanda's hotel room and scoped out the. room and bathrooms for other students. Amanda immediately felt threatened and. fearful. As Heisel attempted to engage. Amanda in sexual activity, she was able. to leave the room and return to the. common hallway. Heisel followed her into.

the hotel stairway. The lawsuit then. goes on to describe an assault in the. stairway in very graphic detail. And she. claims that Heisle didn't rape her, but. only because she managed to convince him. to stop because he was a married man. And then years later, Amanda started to. open up about what she says happened to. her. The lawsuit reads, "As Amanda began. to investigate and discuss her. experiences with others, she learned for. the first time that numerous other. students had experienced teacher on. students sexual abuse at a Konto Falls.

High School and that the board had. created an environment in which such. abuse was enabled and empowered to. occur." Amanda learned in 2025 that the. board's pattern of knowledge of teacher. student abuse and failing to act spanned. at least 20 years 2005 to 2025 involved. at least nine different teachers and. affected at least 14 identified victims. Prior to 2025, Amanda did not know that. the board had a pervasive problem with. other teachers engaging in abuse and. grooming and failed to act or that the.

board's systemic failures had created a. culture in which teachers like Heisel. could abuse students without. consequence. Amanda did not learn that. the board injured her through its own. institutional conduct until 2025. So. this goes to the questions again of why. filing now. Why didn't you make these. accusations uh earlier on? It's about a. knowledge component. And look, an. underlying part about this will be. trying to prove what happened or. allegedly happened in 2012, which could. be a challenge. You know, is there.

corroborating evidence? Is there. corroborating witnesses? Is there. photos? Are there text messages? Things. like that. Now, Amanda did speak at this. news conference announcing the federal. lawsuit. Take a look. >> Are either of you comfortable talking. about that? >> Go ahead. >> I feel like we just began to share our. stories. We're not even completely there. yet. Um, my personal abuser has not been held. accountable at all at this point and.

we're over a year from me coming. forward. So um it's been going an. ongoing um cause of just hurt and pain. And so coming forward having the voice. to do so and the means to do so and the. support to do so is important because. not everybody has that opportunity that. is in the same position that we are in. >> Is this.

how much. uh it's got to stop, right? So, it takes. somebody to have the courage to step up. and stop it. Otherwise, it's going to. continue for another 20 years and then. other plaintiffs will be in their their. motherhood or their later years and. uncover the trauma that they experienced. in their earlier years. And um I just. want to prevent that as much as possible. because it has impacted my life greatly. >> Okay. Now, I want to talk about Brook. Lount. So, she and Grace Williams.

claimed that they were both targeted by. Brin Marie Larson, who would end up. spending some time in prison for sexual. assault. So, Brooke claims that she met. Larson through Larsson's mom, Dawn, who. is head coach of the school's volleyball. team. Lson was apparently the assistant. coach had filled in as her substitute. teacher as needed. Quote, this is from. the complaint. Around August 2013, Brin. Marie Larson began sending Snapchat. messages to Brooke often late at night. Brin Marie Larson began sending Brooke.

photographs of her naked body and asking. Brooke to reciprocate. Brooke had just. turned 15 years old and felt uncertain, confused, and pressured because Brinn. was one of her volleyball coaches. Brinn. says things quickly escalated to Larsson. asking her out when she was just 15. years old. They ate at Panera. Then. Larsson pulled into a Target parking. lot, put the seats in her vehicle down, and engaged Brooke in sexual activity. The lawsuit says Brooke did not know. what sex between women was and was not. interested in sexual activity with.

women, but she felt obligated to comply. because of the power differential. between her and Brin Marie Larson and. because of her youth and inexperience. Around the same time, Binmarie Larson. told Brooke she could turn her into a. college athlete. Binmarie Larson also. began attempting to separate Brooke from. her family by telling her that her. family did not come to enough games and. did not care about her, but that Brooke. could always rely on Brin. And Larson. started inviting Brooke over to her.

house and Brooke would end up spending. the night. And the lawsuit claims that. Larson's own mom, Dawn, knew what was. going on. Brin Marie Larson had Brooke. sleep in her bed where Lson would sleep. nude and engage or attempt to engage. Brooke in sexual acts. Lson also played. pornography on her television. When. Brook stayed overnight, Dawn Larson, health education teacher, head coach, and mandated reporter, was present in. the home and aware of Brook's presence. Dawn Larson observed Brooke and Binmarie.

Larson snuggling on the couch and had to. have been aware that they were sleeping. in the same bed. Now, in 2014, police. started investigating Larson, and. Brookke says she was terrified and. confused and denied having sexual. contact with her assistant coach. Quote, "Despite the police investigation, nothing was done to stop Brin Marie. Larson's contact with Brooke." Lson. subsequently showed up at Brook's. mother's workplace, sent Brooke flowers, and continued engaging with her online. Brook says her so-called relationship.

with Larsson continued, but Brooke. actually ended up switching schools. because rumors around school were. rampant that she was a lesbian involved. with Larson. Now, Larson also moved to. another district for a while, but would. eventually would seemingly be allowed to. return to Okanto Falls. So, the lawsuit. refers to the school's athletic director. and what he allegedly knew about what. was going on. Quote, in the police. report from the 2014 investigation, the. investigating officer recounted the. following regarding his conversation. with Moahan. By the way, I should also.

tell you this is all potential evidence. of lawsuit. I did speak with Jerry. Moahan, the Okanto Falls High School. athletic director. Jerry said that he. remembered people complaining to him. about seeing Brin and Brooke together, but that he wasn't really able to. substantiate anything. Jerry said that. he did have a discussion with Brenn. about boundaries. And the complaint goes. on to name more school teachers and. staff who would have seen Larson and. Brooke together in situations that were. at the minimum inappropriate. And then. the complaint references the third.

plaintiff, Grace Williams. She claims. she was 17, a junior at Ato Falls in the. 2017 2018 school year, that Larsson had. been allowed to return to the district. as a substitute teacher around the same. time. Quote, "In 2025, Amanda contacted. Brooke about Amanda's own experiences of. abuse at Ato Falls High School. Through. this contact and subsequent. investigation in 2025, Brooke learned. for the first time that despite the 2014. police investigation, the board. permitted Larson to return to Okanto. Falls as a substitute teacher in 2018,

where she victimized Grace Williams in. substantially the same manner." So. Larson was once again accused of using. social media to kick off this sick. behavior. The lawsuit states in or about. February 2018, Binmarie Larson added. Grace on Snapchat. Grace accepted. because she knew Lson was adding popular. students. By the way, when I talked. about evidence before, if you have the. social media proof, right? If you have. photos, messages, it's all key. Grace.

says that all of her friends were also. communicating with Larsson, but that. Larsson singled her out, saying she. would leave her girlfriend for Grace and. allegedly started doing things like. sending her flowers and inviting her to. her home. And during one of those visits. to Larson's home, the lawsuit claims. Larson invited Grace to her house along. with other students, including TF and. MK. When Grace went to Larsson's house, Larsson asked Grace to come to the. bedroom with her and began making out. with Grace in her room. Grace tried to. stop it so she could leave peacefully. Grace then saw Dawn Larson who was.

present in the home at the time. Grace. and Dawn locked eyes and Dawn walked. away. This occurred in or about March. 2018. Yeah. After the bedroom incident, Grace told her mother about what. happened. Grace mother wanted to go to. the police, but Grace did not want to. because she was scared of being bullied. or harassed by other students. Grace. eventually disclosed the abuse to her. friend TF, who went to the school. resource officer and reported it. The. school resource officer spoke with Grace. and had her explain what happened. Grace. believes the school principal and.

guidance counselor were also notified. Despite these reports, the board. conducted no formal investigation, and. Grace was never formally interviewed by. school officials. Grace was not given. any emotional support, counseling, or. other supportive measures. Students. began blaming Grace for Brin and Dawn's. departure. Grace's story was not taken. seriously by school officials, and for. her, no one really cared. That's quote, "No one really cared." So Larson pleaded. no contest in February of 2021 to.

thirddegree sexual assault. This is. according to the Green Bay Press. Gazette. A little bit different than. pleading guilty. You're basically. saying, "I'm not going to fight this.". It's different than making a formal. admission. A charge of seconddegree. sexual assault of a child and two counts. of child enticement were dismissed as. part of a plea. and she went to prison. for two years, was released in 2023. And. the lawsuit goes into other allegations. against teachers and staff at Aonto. Falls. That includes Gail Gander, an. English arts teacher who worked at the. high school for decades. Quote, "On. about December 15, 2025, Gander was.

arrested on criminal charges for. allegations of misconduct during his. employment with the district. The arrest. relates to allegations from five student. victims whose allegations are. sufficiently recent to fall within the. applicable statute of limitations. An. additional victim of Gander's. misconduct, known as MD, has come. forward, stating, "I wish I had the. courage to speak up about Gander back in. '05, but I didn't." MD statement. indicates that Gander was engaging in. sexual conduct with students as early as. 2005, meaning the board allowed Gander's. abuse to continue for at least 20 years.

That's the quote from the complaint. Other staff members were apparently. accused of going to high school parties. with students, creating an alleged list. of the hottest students in school, touching teenagers inappropriately in. full view of their classmates. So, this. lawsuit includes multiple different. appendices which contain more charts of. alleged abuse. You have appendix A, it's. titled pattern of abuse, victims, perpetrators conduct, board knowledge. Appendix B, timeline of reports on the. board's apparent response. Appendix C.

lists mandated reporters that the. plaintiff's claim failed in their duties. to protect the students. All three. plaintiffs claim that their interactions. with the KTO fall staff left them with. ongoing discomfort, PTSD, more harm. Again, this goes to the damages. calculation. They all are suing for. violation of Title 9 and a Minnell. claim. Title 9, of course, protects. students from discrimination or harm. related to their sex. A man claim refers. to a deprivation of rights to bodily.

integrity under the 14th amendment. So. the women say the district and its. employees violated that. And the suit. doesn't give a specific amount of. damages or compensation that the. plaintiffs are looking for but instead. says quote all three planiffs suffered. substantial damages including loss of. equal educational opportunities, emotional distress, and other. compensatory damages. Wherefore, Amanda, Brooke, and Grace respectfully request. that this court enter judgment in their. favor and against the board award. compensatory damages and amounts to be. determined at trial either injunctive.

relief requiring the board to institute. adequate policies and procedures to. prevent teacher student grooming and. sexual abuse and grant such other relief. as the court deems just and proper. Now, local affiliate Action 2 News reached. out to the school district for a. response to this lawsuit. The district. sent them a statement that says in part, "Plaintiffs threatened to sue the. district and made substantial monetary. demands in August 2025. Since August, the district has responded to plaintiffs. and their attorneys to recognize the. wrongs by these two former employees,

but also to help them understand that. the district took prompt action when it. was made aware of the misconduct. The. district is confident that its past. actions and its response to Planiff's. demands have satisfied its duty to keep. its students and schools safe. By. working with law enforcement, the. district has addressed each of these. situations. Planiff's allegations in. their complaint about other staff and. other students have also been. investigated by the district. The. district's staff of excellent. professional educators strive every day. to deliver a great educational.

experience for all students. This is not. diminished by the inexcusable actions of. these identified former employees in. every instance in which the district. became aware of allegations against an. individual. Definitive action has been. taken. The district is not able to. comment further on the details of this. lawsuit as it is ongoing matter. The. district remains confident, however, that it will continue to act promptly to. any allegations of misconduct. So, it's. interesting because the school district. has been served with the lawsuit. They've issued a summon. I'm sure. they're going to file a formal answer,

you know, denying the allegations, maybe. uh putting forward affirmative defenses. for why this case uh can't move forward. Um but it's interesting about what they. seem to admit to and what they don't and. whether or not they're going to take. this to trial to clear their name or. not. Because if they go forward with a. settlement, there's a number of reasons. why you'd want to go through a. settlement, right? You don't want the. time, the expense of going through a. trial discovery, what information is. going to be shared. Um that could be. problematic. But, you know, if you issue. a settlement or if you go through with a. settlement, there will be many of those.

out there who believe that the school is. just trying to wipe this away, right? And so, it's tough. It's tough. Interesting to see what will happen. But. that's all we have for you right now. here on Sidebar. Everybody, thank you so. much for joining us. And as always, please subscribe on YouTube, Apple. Podcast, Spotify, wherever you get your. podcast. You can also check us out on. NBC's Peacock as well. If you want to. follow me, X Instagram, my NewsNation. show, Jesse Weber live, Monday through. Friday, 11 pm Eastern. I'll see you next. time, everybody.