Why I Believe: Khloé on Faith | Khloé In Wonder Land

What makes faith so special? Faith is. not always something that can be put. into words. [music]. Is found so much in these divine. ordinary moments. I find my faith in. nature or music or staring at my. children. [music]. There's no wrong way. I think it's so. beautiful to learn about other people's. religions. [music] We all really yearn. for a belief in something greater, something good. Have you ever had a. moment where you felt like your faith. really pulled you out of something dark? It's literally saved my life. Has.

[music] my faith ever wavered? Of. course. When my dad died, I was very. angry with God. I don't have anything of. [music] my dad's. Long story. My dad's. Bible was going up for auction. [music]. They wouldn't give it to us. We had to. buy it. Just to see my dad's handwriting. is so special to me. What I have learned. is to thank God even for the worst of. times because they've made me who I am. I'm so proud of anyone that [music] is. listening and watching this podcast. because it is heavy and it is deep and. not everyone [music] wants to go down.

this journey, but I'm so grateful for. the ones that have chosen to. That's my. little spiel. >> [music]. >> Hi everyone. Welcome to Chloe and. Wonderland. And I'm so [music] happy to. have you guys here today because this is. one of my most favorite topics. I love. talking about faith and spirituality. And this was a requested podcast for me.

to do, which makes me even happier. because I love that so many of you guys. are intrigued about whether it be my. faith or your faith and spirituality. I. love that. For me at least, faith is not. always something that can be put into. words. Faith in my opinion is something. that you really feel and you just have. this divine faith and belief in. I know. some people are really pragmatic and. they want this scientific. thoughtout explanation of faith or God.

or certain religions. And for me, I. don't need that to have belief. I just. have this divine ultimate faith and a. lot of that is a feeling. It's also when. I do try to be pragmatic about things. and try to explain how certain things. have come to be, there's just no other. answer than God created things. It's. interesting cuz the more and more that. we do have these scientific advances, I.

do think so many things from the Bible. are being confirmed. I don't need that. confirmation, but some people do. I feel. that faith. is found so much in these divine. ordinary moments and you can look at a. sunset or. it could be music. I find so much faith. in God there. Praying is such a special. moment that you have with your higher. being. And I think that all of us.

probably have faith in so many different. ways. is I I know some people feel lost. on their faith journey. Start by. talking. Start by praying. And praying. intimidates people. I've heard and they. don't know where to start or they feel. like their prayers aren't profound. enough. But truly, all you need to do is. speak and talk. And the more it's like. riding a bike. The more you do it, the. better you will become. Uh you don't. forget how to do it once you start. And.

there's no wrong way to pray. I also. think that. faith and spirituality isn't about. perfection. It's about. wonder and navigating and trying new. routes that make you feel connected. Trying new things. If praying centers. you, if meditation centers you, if. having group sessions where you talk. with your friends about faith or God, if those things bring you peace and they.

center you for the day and they give you. structure and make you feel empowered, then keep doing those things. But. there's not a one-sizefits-all. There's. not a right way to do anything. I just. think if you have wonder and curiosity. then go towards that. I think no matter. what I want this conversation to be not. one of teaching it's more one of. conversation and something that I love.

I love my faith. I love spirituality and. the belief in anything that you believe. strong enough that you just you know it. exists without anything else. I don't. need anything else. I just know and. believe so deeply. So I feel like I. should talk about maybe my like where my. foundation of faith came from. And I. grew up in a I feel like when you say a. household's really religious, it has. sort of a negative connotation like.

everything is very strict. My parents. are both Christians. We went to Bible. study every single Sunday. Got dressed. up. all me and my sisters and my. brother, we all matched. Um the hair was. all done. It was what we did every. Sunday. And then we would always come. home and have little gatherings at our. house. It was the best. My dad prayed. with us every single night like. clockwork. I don't remember a day that. he did not. My dad would leave my. brother notes about God every morning.

when my dad went to leave for work. And. he would leave them in my brother's. bathroom and either it would be a Bible. verse or something about God. And one of. my brother's birthday gifts, Courtney, framed everyone in like one big plaque. and it's hanging on his wall. It's so. beautiful. It's all in my dad's. handwriting. But my point in saying that. is faith, praying, praying over your. food, praying every night. That was just. the foundation of our childhood. It's. what we knew. We knew every kid's Bible.

story. going to church, having that. Sunday school community. It was so. normal to us and something that I like. to instill with my children. And I think. number one, I love tradition. [snorts] I. love either the the nostalgia of. tradition or just the comfort of. tradition. Every school that I went to. was a faith-based school. I either went. to a Catholic or a Christian school. My. kids don't go to a faith-based school.

currently, but I am providing them faith. and spirituality at home by having. a Bible study teacher come to my house. once a week to teach all the kids. So, that's really important to me. I go to. church on Sundays when I can. It's not. as. structured as it was when I was younger. When I was in my 20s, I or maybe like. later teens, 20s, my girlfriends, including the twins, we all are big.

believers in God. We all loved going to. church and we we would go to church all. the time together. So I think also. you sort of are the company you keep and. we were so like-minded in I mean yes we. were going out to clubs 5 days out of. the week and then one day we would. [laughter] go to church but that's also. like in your 20s and it's okay to party. and do all those things and still have. faith. But I think if my life wasn't. anchored in faith.

I don't even know what kind of life that. would be. It would be so dark and scary. I turn to God every single day, multiple. times a day, and I [music] love it. Thank you so much to Google Shopping for. sponsoring this episode. My favorite. time of the year is finally here. It's. the holiday season. As many of you know, gift giving in the Kardashian family is. a competitive sport, and this year, I'm. going to win because I'm turning to the. Google Holiday 100 for a little help.

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you are, what you believe in, what you. want to call yourself. I just love that. you believe in something. I'm a child of. God and I believe in God and that Jesus. is the son of God and that's my belief. system. And it's something that gets me. through every day, good or bad. I love. to. start my day off. I wake up every. morning. I have um two different apps on. my phone that are Bible apps that I love.

and I do them every day. I think it sets. the tone for my day in such a beautiful. way and it anchors my day in gratitude. And then at the end of the day, I pray. with both of my kids every single night, which are much shorter age appropriate. prayers. And then by myself, I always. just thank God for the day and all of. our blessings. I love talking to God. multiple times throughout my day. It. just gives me comfort. It's my security. blanket and I don't want to just turn to.

God if I need something. I want him to. know how grateful I am for everything. that I have even when something goes. wrong because I know there's a master. plan in all that. And I love trusting. trusting what the universe brings me and. the universe. is God controlling. I remember when I. was building my home. So I was building. my home about I moved in about four. years ago. when the build was happening. and when the wood like framing was being.

installed on the house, I went over. there with a Sharpie and I wrote Bible. verses on the wood planks of the house. Bible verses that I felt were strong and. positive and what I wanted this house to. be rooted in. And that meant a lot to. me. >> What's also cool about you is you like. to learn about other faiths, not just. your own. You're right. I went to an all. girls high school for a year called Mry. Mount High School. Marry Mount High.

School is a Catholic high school. All. girls. I went to all basically all. Catholic schools even though I'm. Christian. And I've never learned about. other religions. At MRy Mount, I did. take a theology class and I learned. about so many other religions. And. that's when I was so intrigued and. fascinated by all these other religions. And I love watching documentaries about. other religions or asking my friends. about their faith. I love learning about. other people's traditions. I've.

experienced Shabbat dinners. Like, I. love stuff like that. I don't think for. a second that means you're cheating on. your own religion. I think it's. beautiful. I think it's so beautiful to. explore other religions. And I think if. you're secure in your religion, I think. it's a beautiful thing to be respectful. and learn about other people's religions. personally. And I want my kids to know. about all religions. I think that's the beauty of being in. this world. I really, really do. And. then the similarities about how many. religions have so many things that are.

similar and they have crossover and. things that are like-minded. I really. think it's a beautiful, beautiful. subject. And I actually should probably. take another theology course cuz it's so. exciting. It really is. What are some. specific items in my home that I feel. closer to God? So, I don't have. necessarily like a cross or something. like that in my home. I love my cross. necklaces. I feel. nice, but it's not even like I have my. Bibles. I have those things, but I feel.

close to God anywhere I am. I really do. But I feel like I've worked really hard. on strengthening my relationship with. God. I also think people get like. embarrassed to talk about their faith. I've learned that like I'm proud to talk. about my faith. I don't think it's. dorky. I don't think anything like that. But I know a lot of my friends are like, "Oh, I just feel weird." And that's okay. if you do, but I don't. I love talking. about it. I text my pastor Brad is the.

pastor who married Lamar and I. And I. text him all the time like questions. when I'm like, "Why didn't so and so. want to sacrifice his child? That's not. very godly to murder your kid." Like, I. just want to understand some things. about the Old Testament. and he'll. totally. give me an amazing answer for why. something was, let's say, more accepting. back in those days versus obviously not. now. But I have I'm so curious about so.

much. And I love forever learning. And I. don't think I don't even think you need. anything tangible to feel close to God. I think you just need to strengthen that. relationship. And the more you talk, the. more it just keeps coming out and. flowing and the closer you start to. feel. >> Is there anything from like your dad. that he passed down? >> I do have my dad's Bible. My mom has a. few as well. And then. we were I think I think I was on TMZ and.

I saw an article of my dad's Bible. It's. has my dad's name engraved on it and it. was going up for auction because my dad. gave it to OJ when OJ was in his trial. and now that OJ passed away I'm assuming. his possessions went up for auction. whatever that's how it got on this. auction and I said to I was like Cam I. can't and it was a whole handwritten. inscription from my dad and I don't have.

really anything of my dad's When my dad. died, a woman married him week on weeks. on his deathbed and took everything from. us. So, I don't have anything on my. dad's. Long story. So, I remember when I. saw this, I was like, Kim, can we ask if. we can have the Bible? Of course, they. wouldn't give it to us. We had to buy. it. But Kim did go and get the Bible. And so, now I have that Bible. And it's. just so cool because I don't have I. barely have anything with my dad's.

handwriting. And the book has a. personalized note from my just to see my. dad's handwriting is so special to me. And then to have that in a Bible that's. engraved with my dad's name. It's just a. really special piece, but it's in my. safe. It's not something I use. It's has. all like his Bible notes, uh, corners folded. It's just a really. special Bible. My dad every single day. would read the Bible, would wake up. early, probably 5:00 am, read the Bible.

before work. It's I remember him sitting. in the corner of his room doing it and. that was just always I'm sure as a. teenager I was like what is he doing? But it was so inspiring to me like that. this man would get up every day and do. that, go to work all day, be the best. dad. It was just a really cool thing. And so I also think maybe subconsciously. I sort of mimic a lot of his routine. because it makes me feel safe and closer.

to my dad and also close to God. I do. think so much of what we do as parents. or siblings or whatever. It's. you learn a lot by example too. I I. don't have a clue what my dad said about. the Bible back in those days like about. his stories. I knew the kid version. stories, but it wasn't that. It was the. action that I s saw my dad doing every. day. And that's what was so inspiring. And like subconsciously, how many years.

later now I'm doing something so similar. in a modern way. I'm listening to my. app. I'm just realizing now it's so much. of what he did with us. Very beautiful. Have I always felt as. close to God as I do now? My. relationship with God has gone up and. down. As a child, I was close, but more. out of just I didn't know anything else. When my dad died, I was very angry with. God, like very angry. So, I wasn't the. best person. And then I remember making.

a shift in my life. Then I surrounded. myself with great friends who would go. to church. And then I started to have my. own relationship with God in a different. way, different than my childhood. relationship. Like when I went to church. as a kid, it was really proper and you. had to dress a certain way and it was. Sunday school and it was very different. and polished and. not loose, like maybe a little more. uptight. And then when I started going. with my friends, it was a whole.

different world. I was like, "Oh, wow. It could be much more loose and fun and. singing and interactive." It was just a. different church. And I really, really. liked it. And then I stopped going to. church as much, but it became more of. like a personal relationship. and it's more about praying and having. those conversations. And now I feel like. I have such a great strong relationship. with God. Not so much in a church, but. very much so within myself. with myself.

I know how much I've relied on faith to. get me out of really dark situations. emotionally and what that's done for me. And it's literally saved my life in so. many ways. So, I feel such a. responsibility to give faith to my. children cuz I feel like if I can give. them those tools and they know that when. they're in a dark place, like all they. need to do is pray, like that's my job. as a mom. and if that's going to make.

them feel better. My daughter the other. night had a nightmare. And I told her, I. said, "Whenever if you get scared or. nervous, just say a prayer and see how. you feel." And she started praying. I. heard her on her camera and she was just. praying. And it made me so happy that. not only did she listen to me, but she. remembered what I said. And in the. middle of the night, she's just praying. and she fell back asleep right. afterwards. And it made me so proud of. her, but also proud of me that like I.

gave her those tools and that she felt. better and felt peace come over her and. she was able to fall back asleep. Like. that might be such a minuscule story, but that's just the stepping stones to. later in life and what faith and. spirituality can do for someone. Also, the power of prayer. The power of prayer. is so real and so strong. I know. because I have so much faith. Like I've. helped so many people. This sounds.

crazy, but like when people are like, "Pray for me. I know you're like I know. you have a line to God." And I'm like, "I do. Like I genuinely do." And I've. prayed for so many people through. surgeries or if they've I mean I know my. prayers when Lamar was in his coma. Like. I know I was heard by God. There's just. no other way. like my faith does not. waver. I know he hears me and I'm going. to pray until the cows come home or.

until Jesus comes back, whichever one. And I'm proud about that. Like, I'm. proud that I just don't use prayer in. time of need. I'm proud that I use it in. time of celebration, in time where I'm just alone talking. Like, I think people think prayer has to. be like an our father who art in heaven. No, prayer can just be how I'm talking. right now. And you just say you start. off with dear heavenly father and the. rest you could be just so loose and. conversational.

the end you say amen like that's it can. be that simple and I'm proud that I'm. teaching my kids that I really am. I'm. so proud of True for how she used prayer. in that time. And Tatum's so young and. little but I love that he knows how to. pray. And I posted a video of him and. True praying and it was so so cute. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you for my. family and my Ky and my auntie and my.

uncles and and Mickey Mouse and toys and. mommy and dada. and sisters and brother and food and say. food food. Take a Jesus. >> Amazing title. Tat amazing day and amazing. mercy to the sky. >> You know, Tatum's praying for like his.

Mickey and Minnie or whatever, but it's. not even about like are you praying. right? Like that's there's no right or. wrong. Just are you talking to God? Strengthen that direct line to God. That's really the point. Has my faith. ever wavered? Of course, when my dad. died, I touched on this a little ago, but there was I was so pissed. I was did. not understand. My dad died so quickly. He was married to this awful woman who. took everything from us. I like to not.

even have something tangible of your. fathers. It's like it was the whole. thing was so horrible. And I couldn't. understand why someone who was so close. to God, my dad was the closest person to. God, why he would go in such a way. Like. I had so many questions that would never. be answered. And. instead of me trying to trust the. process or trust this journey that's. happening to me, I just was angry and I.

was like. everyone we live life a certain way and. did the right thing and look what. happened. Like my dad lived life by the. book. Didn't smoke, didn't drink, died. of esophageal cancer. like it it none of. it made sense to me especially at 19. just being also a little bitter at life. anyways just having that attitude I was. really angry probably cursed at God a. million times who knows but God is. forgiving and now I think ever since my.

divorce I would say my relationship with. God has been. it gets stronger and stronger but then. ever since I've had kids I feel like. it's been the strongest. And maybe that's just because I try to. mirror so much of what my parents did. for me cuz I loved the way I grew up. Do. you ever feel like God sends you signs, little reminders that you're being. guided? So, I feel God all the time around me. I.

definitely feel like I have guardian. angels that lead me through life, but I. also pray for that every night. I always. pray that my guardian angels hold my. hand through life and just guide me on. the right ways. I think that our tongue. is really powerful in what we say. We. will receive that in our lives. Even if. you're saying negative things, I do. think even if you're singing songs on. repeat, as silly as that is, your body. doesn't know that you're just singing a.

song. And you can create these really. bad spaces for yourself or great spaces. for yourself. But I feel like I really. welcome the great spaces and I welcome. that I have guardian angels that guide. me through life and I try to really look. out for that. I try to really stay aware. and if there is something that happens, if it's me running late or the other day. I tripped down the stairs and I like. scraped my knee and I was really late to. something, I figured there's a reason.

for that. So, I try, yes, I maybe get. frustrated in the moment, but I try to. really be aware of those little things. because I don't believe in coincidences. in life. I believe that everything. happens for a reason and if you don't. know it, then you might discover it. after the fact, but I try to pay. attention to all those signs. >> Finding a therapist is hard enough, but. finding one who actually takes your. insurance, that's usually the part that. stops people before they even get. started. I remember trying to find.

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works with you, not against your budget. >> Have you ever had a moment where you. felt like your faith really pulled you. out of something dark? Oh my gosh, I've. had so many moments. I think that's what. makes faith so special. Faith is the. reason why I'm out of all of the dark. holes I've been in in life. It's faith. It's my belief. It's knowing you have. that support. It's knowing you are going. like in the grand scheme of things. I. will always be okay. We might have. circumstances. You might have a bad day.

It's not a bad life. And I know God is. always there. And I know that we're meant to go. through these experiences and they. really form us. It's this formative. process that we're going through. And so. what I have learned is to thank God even. for the worst of times that I've had. because they've made me who I am. They've given me the perspective that I. have. But you just have to be open to. letting those moments.

form you and heal you and turn you into. something that you were meant to be but. not harden you. When was the last time. you felt truly in awe like, "Wow, I'm. being watched over kind of feeling." You. [snorts] guys are going to think I'm. nuts, but I think like this all the. time. I mean, it can be the smallest of. things. Um, I find my faith in nature or. music or staring at my children, the. roof over my head. I mean, it's from. small to big things. But even on like my.

drive for my kids school, we have such a. pretty drive, beautiful mountains and. terrain. And I'm always like, this is. crazy that this exists. It's so silly, but we takes for granted the beautiful. state that we're in, the weather that we. have, the birds that are around us. It's. so cheesy. Yes. But I'm always thankful. of that, especially when it's like. sunsets and that type of beauty, oceans,

the beach, like seeing all of that. It's. so so beautiful. And I I'm in awe of it. all. I mean, even this is like where it. gets crazy. When you think about outer. space, like how is all of this possible? Us being born or even how the human body. works. This is not just science. It's. there's so much more. Is there a. passage, quote, or prayer that you find. yourself coming back to often? So, I I went to a Catholic school my.

whole life, a few different Catholic. schools, and we used to recite prayers. and all of that. I don't have one prayer. that I recite. I genuinely like really. just having a conversation with God or. my angels. Sometimes I talk to my dad. and I don't want my prayers to be. robotic. I think any prayer makes a. difference. So I don't want to deter. anyone from praying. But for me, when. I'm just reciting something, I don't.

feel that deep connection that I do when. I'm conversating. I will have just a. really organic conversation with God and. it can be super short. Most of the time my prayers are so. conversational, they'll be like at least. 5 minutes and I'm just chitchatting. I. say some of the same things like I. always ask for a wall of protection to. keep me and my family close and safe.

And that's something I do because my dad. would always pray for that wall of fire. to protect us when we were kids. I. always pray that my guardian angels. continue to hold my hand through life. I. always pray to keep us covered in the. blood of Jesus Christ, me and my family. And I pray for my family members all the. time. And those are things that I sort. of do all the time but in different. ways. And then I just talk talk about. whatever I need to get off my chest or. if something happened that day or but I.

always come from a place of thanks. always in prayer. >> What would you say to somebody who was. like in a similar place that you were. when your dad passed? >> So I remember. gosh I remember the guilt I used to feel. for being so angry. I was angry at my. dad. I was angry at God. I was angry at. like everyone for my dad passing away. I don't I would be I remember my dad um. had a secretary and she has no idea but.

my dad had a cell phone and I would call. his cell phone all the time just to hear. his voicemail be like it's whatever it. was like it's Robert leave a message and. I would listen I would call all the time. just to listen to it. And months after. he died, she obviously turned off his. cell phone because I'm assuming someone. told her, "Don't pay this anymore." Who. knows? This poor woman, her name's Barb, Barbara. And um I remember when it was. disconnected, I called her. I cursed her.

out so badly. This poor woman, first of. all, has no idea I'm doing this, but I'm. 19. I'm angry at the world. And I was. like, "How dare you? I can't hear my. dad's voice ever again. Like I was like. screaming. It was like I lost it. And I. still remember that till this day. Who. knows if she does? Barb, I'm so sorry if. you do. And that that's one example like. how angry I was with the smallest thing.

And I remember I would still have. conversations with God, but they were me. yelling at God like, "Why did you do. this to me? My dad was the best." Or. whatever. And if you're angry, if you're. going through something, don't be afraid to even have those. arguments with God like or whoever you. want to have them with. Like you have to. get these feelings out. And I think I. don't think God ever wants you to doubt. him. But I think God is just always.

happy that you're still going to him. like I still would go to him even if it. was me angry and screaming and asking. questions or why why why. and eventually you do get those answers. But I think you just have to have faith. You have to go through the motions. You. some people, you know, I remember. journaling at that time. Some people. gravitate more to writing things out as. opposed to verbally talking things out. But.

I will say faith is what has got me. through everything like any hard time. and but it takes time. You're not going. to get an answer immediately. You're not. going to get closure or healing. immediately. But you have to keep having. those conversations. And I think anyone. who's questioning, I know if people are. going through any grief or sorrow and. you don't know which way to turn, I. mean, it never hurts to try to try to. either say a prayer,

listen to some worship music, and just. see how it makes you feel. I think if. you don't have a faith background and. you don't feel good in your life and. you're struggling, what's the harm in. trying to dip your toe in the pool of. faith in God? I think you'll notice. something so comforting and reassuring. and beautiful about the way your life is. going. I don't see a negative in you.

trying. Well, I really think when you. start your day being thankful for your. day, like thankful that you woke up. I. we take for granted and it's no one. doing this on purpose, but it's so easy. to take your health for granted when. you're always healthy. It's so easy to. not say thank you to the universe when. you're just so used to waking up and. starting this day in a certain way. Or I. think about from the biggest things to. the smallest things.

And it could be even Dr. Aean something. as silly like when he pointed this out. I think he calls them I forget what he. calls them but like micro wins something. like that. And it's like I realized how. much I do when I when he was like count. 10 micro wins in the morning or. whatever. And when I started I was like. you know what I really look forward to. my stupid 5 a.m. coffee. And it's not. even the coffee. It's the silence of my. home. It's that alone time with me. And.

I think it is one of the only times, unless it's, you know, at 9:00 p.m. or. after, that I get to be in my home in. silence and get to look around and be. like, "Wow, this is mine and like I. worked hard for this and I get to live. here with my kids and I get to have a. cup of coffee." like just saying those. things like I get to I get to wake up. and get to take my kids to school. As. mundane or sometimes frustrated as we. get like I have to do carpool and.

everyone out the door, we any routine we. have, we're not going to be grateful for. it all the time. But when you think. about if I compare I'm like you know. what so many people don't get the luxury. of taking their kids to school cuz they. have to go to work earlier than their. kids have to go to school. And when you. think about you can always put your life. into a different perspective and I'm. just like I'm so lucky I get to do those. things. So I love the Bible story the. book of Ruth. I think it's a great great.

story. Um and what is so cool is the. other night on Netflix I saw it was like. their number one movie and it was about. the book of Ruth but they modernized it. I think Tyler Perry produces it and it's. um called Ruth and Boaz. such a great. story, but when you watch it, you don't. even realize like you're watching a. Bible story. And I love that so many. people are doing this now. They're. modernizing Bible stories, but you're. still getting the word, but in your cool. way or however you want to receive.

information. And I think especially. nowadays, there's so many ways to. receive the word of God. There's so much. like even worship music if you love to. learn about faith through music. There's. so many different ways of receiving it. or watching it. If you want to know. about the book of Ruth, you can watch. Ruth and Boaz or you can read the Bible. version itself. But I'm saying that to. say there's just so many different. avenues to connect with your faith these.

days. And we're so lucky to be living in. those times. And there's so many ways. that make it relatable and where you can. understand and digest it and process it. where sometimes the Bible does feel. overwhelming or you can't process it as. easily as maybe some other people. You. know, I really just wanted this episode. to make us all feel like we do have a. sense of community. I don't want this. episode to be preachy or teachy. I just.

want it to be conversational. I want. people to feel united and feel hope. I. think especially in recent times, things. can be really heavy and I think that. something like this should feel really. light and a place of joy and a good. place to turn to. I think faith, whether. we're navigating through it, whether you. feel lost or that you're on the right. path, that either one of those roles, you're human in it, and it's okay to be. on any one of those journeys and know.

that there is a sense of community in. either phase that you're at in your. faith, in spirituality. I want [snorts]. everyone to feel like that this is a. safe space and that community is the. most important part especially in your. faith that you feel like you have that. village with you going through this with. you. And I'm so proud of anyone that is. listening and watching this podcast. because it is heavy and it is deep and.

not everyone wants to go down this. journey. But I'm so grateful for the. ones that have chosen to and thank you. for having this conversation with me. I. appreciate that this was a conversation. that was requested and I hope that it. relates with some people or allows other. people to feel [music] seen and I had. such a great time talking with you guys. I hope you guys have a great time. listening. [music]. And yes, keep sending in more of the. topics you guys want. I will see you.

guys next Wednesday.