Something Borrowed, Something Sued ft. Hayley Paige | Khloé In Wonder Land

I'm on like this emotional roller coaster with  your story, Miss Haley Paige. Good afternoon, everyone. I signed an employment agreement that  included a non-compete clause. I want people to. know how easy it is to get into a bad deal. My  former employer sued me. I was forbidden from. using my own birth name. You're like, you're  going to see me. Exactly. Was that your first. lawsuit? Oh, yeah. The first real lawsuit. You  think you're going to jail? In your non-compete, it said that you can't wear a wedding dress  in your own wedding. Did you ever feel like.

you were losing hope? Yes. I always get like  a little emotional when I think about Oh, sorry. The bride. Don't be sorry. Just coming  on Chloe to cry. There are so many teachable. lessons in life. This was something that I  just had to survive. I am Haley Paige. I'm. Haley Paige. Let's all scream it. Haley Paige.  What was the fastest turnaround for a wedding. dress? It has to be my sisters. No. Yeah. So,  she had a surprise wedding. Who surprised her?

Well, Haley, thank you for coming on Chloe and  Wonderland. I'm so happy to have you here. I'm. on like this emotional roller coaster with  your story, but before we get into that, I would love for you to just sort of say who you  are and what you do. Yeah. Yeah. I'm Haley Paige, which is so fun to say for many obvious reasons.  Yes. It's all screaming. Yes. And I'm a wedding. dress designer. Also, uh did a little detour into  shoes during a non-compete, but I'm just a girl.

that loves pretty dresses and making women feel  beautiful. It's always been like my love language, I feel. And you started designing really young.  You were in your early 20s or probably younger. than that. Yeah, really young. My grandmother  taught me to sew and that early exposure was. pretty much everything for me because it led me  on the trajectory of just wanting to create and. communicate that way through design. And were  you always fixated on wedding dresses? Yes.

Became my identity very very young in life. And I  think it was just a way to kind of express myself. but also feel connected to what I wanted to say.  And it made me feel the most confident. And at. what age was that your niche? It was the first  dress I ever designed was a pink hot pink mini. wedding dress. No way. And my mother was really  really encouraging of creating. Bought me a sewing.

machine. Love that. So, and I think just growing  up in the '9s being like a classic millennial, I love Disney princesses, romance, all the good  stuff. So, did you always fantasize about your own. wedding? Like were you obsessed with weddings  or you just had a gift for wedding dresses? I. think I was just obsessed with the idea of this  one dress carrying so much memory and meaning. and it kind of transcending just normal fashion  because I mean as you know with fashion it can be.

so intimidating at times to feel like you have to  either be a certain shape or silhouette or have a. vibe to pull something off. And I feel like bridal  is kind of the equalizer and that anyone can be a. main character as the bride. So I love that you've  been so incredible about being as vulnerable as. you are and being so open and honest about your  journey. You signed a deal when you were 25. It. essentially was an employment contract and being  at the stage I was in my designer journey, it just.

was like the opportunity of a lifetime. Yes.  Right. and like something I had always dreamed. of doing. And here I was getting the opportunity  to ring lead my own collection and have my name, you know, up on lights every everywhere around  my show. And I didn't want anything to jeopardize. that. I had never hired a lawyer before. I had no  money to hire a lawyer, you know. So, there are a. lot of factors that kind of created an environment  in which I mistook an opportunity for safety.

and didn't want to fumble it either because if I  pushed back or if I was asking too many questions, maybe they would see me as difficult. And  ultimately, I was like, I have a goal. I just want. to get out there and be a designer. And you know,  so I I signed this contract without a lawyer and. essentially gave the right for the company to  trademark my name. And not to interrupt you, but I think it is so important what you just  said because you are not the only one that has.

done that. This happens all the time and in so  many different industries. It could be music, it. can be doesn't matter, fashion, anything. I have  signed crazy things in my life that I'm like, who? And I had lawyers. They just maybe weren't great.  Who knows? But I'm like, what the did I just sign? I want people to know how easy it is to get into  a bad deal and with intimidation or anything like. that. And that's essentially what happened to you.  Yeah. And it also made me realize that a contract.

is really intellectual property software and  software needs to be updated. M. And so if you're. in a situation where somebody is encouraging you  to sign a long-term contract, you're essentially. trying to understand what you're going to be  worth in X amount of years. And when you don't. know what your value is, somebody else is going  to define it for you. And so in that scenario, I really took away so many lessons from the Legal  Ease world, of course, which is what we definitely.

want to share through the nonprofit now. But  it's more than that because it's a way for you to. negotiate for yourself when you might not have the  full picture. The beginning you were 25 years old, you signed with JLM Couture and at that time what  was going on in your life. I was pretty eager to. just get out there and show people what I could  do. And I really have an optimism hardwired in my.

soul. And I think that operating from a place like  that can be reckless at times because you just. think anything is figure outable, right? Anything  can be negotiated. And that was something I really. tethered with because you just start operating  and you have this amazing job which I did and. I got to connect with all these women and design  these dresses and fiance yes to the dress and yes. it was just this great momentum and I just felt  because this is going so well over here I don't.

want to ruffle feathers over here and someday  I'll address this and it'll it'll work out right. What were the dreams you had early on as a new  upand cominging wedding designer? I feel like it. was just about making women feel secure and doing  that a very specific way. I think growing up a. gymnast and also just a girl, you know, you have  your own insecurities and feelings of worthiness. and trying to figure out where your worth and  identity is tied to. And dress wear is just.

something where I would watch a woman put a dress  on and she would feel so good about herself. And. that was like a dopamine hit, you know, because  it's the fact that we're communicating this way, but I'm also creating something that she loves  and then she makes it her own and there's like. this passing of the torch. And so I think that  was the dream in itself is that feeling of this. is my purpose. Well, and I think it's so it  says something so special about you that you.

are choosing to be a designer in a field that is  truly the most special day in a woman's life. And. it's a dress that hopefully that person passes on  to their daughter or their granddaughter. And it's. such like I'm not trying to discredit any other  clothing. Everything is so special and people put. so much time and effort into it. But there it's  like the wedding dress that is like the ultimate. in the omega of clothing to people. I mean and you  have worn a wedding dress before. Yes, I have. Did.

you feel like just the dress itself? Do you still  feel connected to it? I do. I got married 9 days. after getting engaged very quickly. Um I knew  my husband for 30 days. So really nuts. I was. fortunate enough that somehow my mom called up  Vera Wang and we were like we're getting married. And then she's like, "Yeah, come to New York." I  think she thought like in a few months I'm getting. married. And then I go to the Vera Wang store in  New York. She's like, "So when's the wedding?" I'm.

like, "Oh, in like 5 days." She's like, "Oh." So I  was limited to what I could wear. I still loved my. dress. I thought it was beautiful and timeless. If  I got to customize something at a time, it would. probably be just more extravagant. Not But I loved  my dress. It's classic. I have it. It's beautiful. My bridesmaid's dresses were all Vera and just  it's so special and I'll remember that forever. But you're right, like how you feel in it. If it's  simple or princess-like, you just feel like the.

most beautiful girl in the room. I guess that's  the goal. It is the extension of your love and. your love story. Do you have a signature wedding  dress, do you think? We run on whimsy I would say. which includes a lot of texture and color a  lot of unique juxapositions we've done like. laser cut some faux leather I like to experiment  with textiles because I actually graduated with a. bachelor of science in fiber science so you learn  about the movements and behaviors of textures and.

so I love that that kind of plays a role in it but  we have like a rainbow wedding dress you know so. we really like yes anything I do think that so  much has changed that people loved to have the. variety and versatility now and they want to stand  out and they want to do something different. It's. not your traditional wedding dresses anymore,  but that's so special and people that's it's. their day. They have the right to do whatever  they want. Exactly. Go nuance. What I find.

frustrating and infuriating and also so hard to  imagine. This is your name. Not only your brand, but it's your personal real name. And now your  name gets taken away from you. What what does. that mean exactly? Like even on a personal level,  it was actually during a negotiation period. So I. was attempting to continue doing what I was doing.  So there was a good faith negotiation effort and. during that period there was just such a wide  delta in the expectations and circumstances were.

so different than 10 years ago. And so the  goalpost was just it was far and I ended up. getting served a lawsuit. And so that happened  during co and it was pretty jarring and scary, you know, like am I going to jail? Straight to  jail. Uh it was Was that your first lawsuit? Oh. yeah. Oh, the first one is or like the first The  first big one cuz I I had a divorce which was a. different kind of lawsuit. But no, the first real  lawsuit you just you think you're going to jail.

Gut punch. Yes. And like what did I do? What did  I do? And what happens? And do I go in front of a. jury? Like you have Yes. Oh my gosh. And you think  of it like a night after your fifth. You're fine. You're like, "This is a walk in the park. You're  fine." Well, I look forward to getting there, but also not getting it, right? Oh my gosh. It  means you made it. That's all I I think. Adulting. hardcore. Adultting. But it was really scary. And  then there was an emergency TTRO granted within a.

matter of days. So I had days to hire litigation,  prepare my case, but a restraining order. Yes. Why? So it was so a TTRO is a restraining order.  But why temporary restraining order? Basically, there was arguments made about the name itself.  Okay. And that there was harm of some sort cuz. that's basically how you get a tarot. And you  know, I was learning this on the spot, but within. a matter of 48 hours, I had to hand over all my  personal passwords for my social media accounts. that quickly. and I couldn't touch anything. So,  like all my texts with my fiance and like or DMs,

you know, and like really private messages with  your girlfriends and memes you don't want anyone. Of course, if someone went through one of my DMs,  I would be murderating, you know, I would be they. would kill me. Um, that's not okay. And then  the name, which was kind of ludicrous because. it it had been 30 something years of me using my  name with no problem and then all of a sudden I.

couldn't even say it at Starbucks, you know? So  it was like, wo, that's like I didn't even know. what to do with it at that point cuz it was  so bizarre to me. And then the third part uh. was really just a matter of I'm not going to be  able to work under this kind of duress. And so. I actually resigned and I was still technically  under contract because there were two years left. on my non-compete. And so it was just so complex.  There was a lot of nuance to understanding the. lawsuit. It was co so I had nothing better  to do but to learn, okay, what have I done,

right? And how am I going to figure this out?  Because the interesting thing about a contract. is you have all these words on paper, right? But  then it's how it's being interpreted. Mhm. And. so to the degree to which it was being interpreted  was where I just kind of felt gossmacked because I. couldn't believe that so much was going well for  so long despite just a negotiation of trying to. work things out. It all of a sudden was this like  detrimental like Yeah. And why they would go that.

extreme so quickly. Yes. So there was like a lot  to negotiate and manage in just taking inventory. on the situation. And being that it's co I imagine  the legal aspect would be much more delayed than. life before co you would think but it was pretty  fast and furious. Oh wow. And so this led to just. like a back and forth, you know, claim after claim  after back and forth. And here you are basically. pingponging in the beginning part of a lawsuit.  And like you said, I was like, do I go to court?

like and we had some Zooms where I was like  shaking and terrified. Couldn't imagine going. in person, you know, but like you're just kind of  thrown into it. And I think the part about being. disassociated from my community was particularly  scary because all of a sudden they were posting. to my account to Miss Haley Face. Stop. And so my  family and friends who weren't told what was going. on, they still thought it was me. Now that's very  violating. It was very I was like, "Oh my gosh,

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that I don't even know if you know the answers  to. So, for your account that then got swiped. from you, why couldn't you just change the handle  of your name? So, very good argument to make. Basically, the argument that they were making  is that in trademark law and because there was. an intellectual property provision to my  contract that the two of those things tied. together somewhat created a catch-all where  anything bearing that name crazy they would.

own the property of right so that was at least  the argument to my knowledge that they were. kind of making at that time and to me you know  I'm looking at it from the perspective of well. it's an employment contract I was a head  designer I wasn't a social media director. social media became a thing, right? And I posted  freely, but it's not like I was getting paid to. post. Correct. You know, so there was  arguments on both sides, but it really. um became this thing of like, hey, where's your  Snapchat, your Pinterest, your Tik Tok, you know,

and so like you can imagine like all the hours  that you pour into Yes. and it is an extension of. who you are, you at least try to be as authentic  as you can on social media for the most part. No, that is so violating. So luckily that video that I  posted went viral. Well, I was just going to ask, so you then go on this other account that doesn't  have a lot of followers. How does that go viral? So it was just How does anything go viral? I  don't really know. I really don't understand.

It was the public court. And I say that with  so much gentle kindness because really that is. what saved my entire life. Like the public court  is the people showed up for me. They shared it. They told bridal stores, you know, because I'm  a B2B business mostly, so my dresses are sold to. bridal stores and you have these store owners that  are like, "Wait, what?" Like, "Hale's not behind. the collection anymore." And wait, what? She's not  behind her Instagram. And wait, wait, what? Right. So, there was kind of that chain reaction and you  just had this compounding community rally. Well,

that's amazing you had that, but this is like so  unbelievable to me. It's a little bananas. It's. crazy. Yeah, it was bananas. I was not winning  in the legal court. So that was scary. And that's. that's so infuriating. You're like, "This is  my name. I was born with this name. That's. horrible." So one of the biggest issues in your  lawsuit was your non-compete. And so what does. that mean to the people that are listening? What  is a non-compete? It's essentially you agreeing.

to stay out of an industry for typically a  designated period of time, right? oftentimes. it comes with an exchange of money or monetary  compensation and it is a way for a business to. protect oftentimes it's proprietary technology or  the proprietary goods right and so in my situation. it's art so it's not really proprietary but I was  put under the two-year non-compete of my contract.

and then two like days before that non-compete  was up there was another argument made that it. was an extension of 5 years stop. Yeah. And that  one wasn't so much tied to the name Haley Paige, but me, Haley Paige, the person. And so, which  means you can't design elsewhere. I couldn't. design using my name or design wedding dresses  at all. No matter what name I used, right? So, and that actually stuck in the district court. So,  then I was under a 5-year non-compete and I wasn't.

getting commission or paid. So, it was essentially  a seven-year unpaid non-compete in the full story. Not that this matters, but could you design  different categories? I could. Okay, so that. was really the pivot in my brain that made sense  is like, okay, I can't design wedding dresses. I. am going to even stay away from dresses because  I don't want anything to mis be misconstrued. At that point, I felt like I was really being  watched. And I was even found in contempt of court. for sketching on social media. And so that was  got to be kidding me. I was like in big trouble.

It was it was a very very scary time. and scary  time, but also like you must be a big threat. Do. you know what I mean? Like in a way you're like,  "Okay, you guys are so concerned about little. old me." Like that it it's a little flattering  now that we're past it. At the time I'd be like. contempt of court. That sounds so scary. Like  it's all insane cuz you're sketching sketching. on social media on that other account, right? But  it was considered promotional and argued that way.

And so at that point I was like, "Okay, well I'm  not going to sit for five years and have a victim. consciousness. Like that's not going to do any  good for me." And so luckily again, this community. rally was like, "Go design something else, you  know?" And so shoes were totally non-competitive, right? Right. I mean, I'm sure you could just  wear shoes as a wedding dress, but let's not. try to make that reach of an argument, but I did  shoes for a while and I changed my name publicly.

to Shioal, which is the French word for horse.  And so I built a new brand around that. But your. what was your personal name? My I didn't have  a I didn't I had my legal name that I couldn't. use publicly or in any business or commerce. But  if I met like if I met you, you I could be like, "Hi, Haley." But you said like at Starbucks, you  couldn't say your name. Yeah. I would not be able. to give you permission to use the name. Oh my  gosh. And it was it was pretty intense because. it was the problem is is that now that you have  social branding and you have personal branding,

you're technically advertising, right? And so  if a name is a trademark and I am that person, it was just so convoluted that it was like it's  not even worth it, you know? And so for a good. period of the two years, I was going by a girl you  might know because I was like I'm just a girl you. might know, maybe not. But no, but it's clever  and cute and I love that. So that was the vibe. What insanity? Okay, I'm sorry I interrupted you  about the shoes. I'm so sorry. I'm just like it.

is mindblowing. A little hard to believe at times,  but it also helped me that it was so unbelievable. because it really did get the attention of  a lot of legal people, attorneys, you know, big law firms. Um, it got the attention of Senator  Warren for, you know, come to speak at Congress, give your testimony on non-competes. And so  there was to every part of my journey where. there was this feeling of like an anchor, I  also had a sale. And so like I got to choose. between the two. And I was like, I'm going to keep  staying positive, just more responsively positive,

you know, and not feel like this actually this  scary lawsuit is my identity. Cuz that's where I. think I would have really lost myself. Yeah. But I  love that you've taken negatives and you've turned. them into positives and you do find the sale and  everything and what made you pick the name. It. really was just a fun process of what name did I  like, right? And there were moments where I would.

just go listen to music and kind of get in his own  and I kept going back to the song by America which. was a horse with no name. Mhm. Right. A little bit  of humor. I was going to say this sort of just it. embodies your whole story. Yes. I was like horse  and then Shioal and I was like oh there's a Shioal. Blancc restaurant my mentor took me to once and  I love that name and it felt very elegant and but. also strong and masculine and yeah, you know  like I'm going to make sure circumstances are. not in the driver's seat from here on out and  like run against the wind and so I I just like.

that name and went with it. Did you ever feel  like you were losing hope? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, there was definitely a lot of moments of just  you you do need to sit with your grief because. there's obviously something that's missing, right?  And you feel it like that emptiness and I always. get like a little emotional when I think about  sorry if the brides don't be sorry. Sorry. No, but it shows how much passion and love you have  for what you do and you getting emotional for the.

brides. I think that's why everyone is rooting and  rallying for you. people spread your story because. it's not that you're just some designer that's  doing something in autopilot and just doing it for. money. You're doing it for these women and you are  crusader and I think the horse is so fitting cuz I. think of you as you know the princess charming but  you know on the white horse and coming in to save. the day and that's like when I heard the name  that's what I thought of. I'm like, of course,

this white horse, white wedding dress, and yeah,  it was um one of those things where when you put. your problem out into the world, you know that  people are going to feel the weight of it. And I. just didn't want it to tarnish all these beautiful  moments that these brides have had, you know, because life can really kick you, you know, gut  punch you and also feel like, okay, I'm learning. these lessons. It feels like a roundhouse kick  to the face, but like I'm learning these things.

that I needed to know the long scenic route, but  there was something where I just didn't want it. to the residual stress to impact those moments.  Right. Right. And I actually didn't experience. that. I had so much support from these brides,  but I also just felt like I couldn't communicate. with as many of them as I wanted to on social  and like let them know that like they should. go buy a Haley Page dress if they still want one.  what you're showing for other people. Like, okay, I made these mistakes. Don't copy what I do. But  you're doing it in a way that's so relatable. And.

even when you go and talk in front of Congress and  you're doing something that's so intimidating and. big, you're still doing it, but for the voice  of everyone else that didn't have a voice, for the voiceless. And I just think that's really  big of you. And I think so much of why you are now. where you are and like you've gone full circle and  now you're out on top is because of the spirit you. have because not everyone can do that. Thank you.  Um it's been really shapeshifty, you know, and.

like you said, when you go through things where  part of you breaks, it you realize it's a shedding. and that there is something you can leave behind  and that's okay because the strongest pieces are. left and that's what you take with you to rebuild.  Um, and that's just something I've just kept close. to the heart of like you're never actually  starting over ever because your experience, your credibility, even your mistakes have got  you to where you are now, you know? And so like.

seeing the full picture and I I bet you read some  Carl Yun with cosmic relevance and thinking of how. when when you scale out and you really think about  how special it is to be in the position you're in. to be alive and to have your faith and have your  family and have all these things, you know, you. start to realize that it's just so rare. And so  to get caught up in the weeds of these things that. feel circumstantial at times or feel like they're  pulling you back or they're breaking parts of you,

it's okay because it's death to certain parts  of your ego. Leave it behind, right? And then. rebuild and but such a beautiful mentality because  not everyone has that mindset. But we do have to. not let those things let them crumble us. We have  to use them and make it better and stronger. And. you're right, like even the most traumatic things  like the light, it's the shedding. The light does. still come in. That's right. Something that I am  mind blown on. So in your non-compete, which this.

is like so stupid to me and frustrates me, it said  that you can't wear a wedding dress on your own. wedding. So the way the non-compete was phrased  is it wasn't um just tied to the name, right? It. was me, the human being, as well. And what was  scary about basically being in contempt of court. for sketching online is that the argument was made  about promotion because social media is promotion.

Yes. And so when I really thought about it in that  situation cuz my fiance and I had gotten engaged. in 2018, 7 years later, we're still engaged. But  we just thought about, okay, but if we were to get. married, first of all, it's weird cuz like does  can he does he say my name? Can he say my name? Like if it's filmed, no. If there are pictures  or video, no. And then if I was to wear a dress, would it be considered competitive? Because this  is crazy, right? So it wasn't really addressed.

in that moment during lawsuit. But it's one of  those things where I was like, you know what? Um, it's not worth it. I'm almost bankrupt here  anyway, so like, let's take a beat. Yes. You know, and my fiance has been my rock this whole entire  time. So he was like, "Let's let's bench this. for a bit and we'll revisit it when we can, you  know, or when it makes sense." So do you think. you have like trauma to get married because of  all of this? It's just too much. We during that.

time definitely felt like just a lot of components  that were dramatic and traumatic. And I guess too, there was a big part of me that thought legally if  I was to go like massively in debt, which I did, you know, for my legal bills, like why would you  want to marry marry me, you know, like if I have. debt, you know what I mean? And so like I I was  thinking about all of those things um just in that. moment of time. And so it feels really cool that  as a couple we have grown so much because when we.

first met we were like very content coupy like  bake offs and oh my gosh we were in a different. stage of life, right? And then we went through  this like explosion of things and so we came out. of it. We went through it together and grew but  we came out very different people but still very. dedicated to each other which is wonderful. And  now that we're like finally planning the wedding. and we're getting married and all this good stuff  is happening. We have a wedding dress that we.

can design it um it just feels like we really  appreciate the the shoulderto-shoulder and like. the standing through the rain. I love that. So it  it's it's nice. It I'm definitely going to cry all. over my wedding all over him. As you should.  I want to tell you guys about something I've. been taking that I honestly wish I'd found sooner.  It's called Armra and it's a colostrum supplement, which sounds niche until you understand what  colostrum actually is and then you're like,

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crazy that is and how like first of all, I cannot  public I have to public speak, but I just want to. die every time. What? You're so good at speaking.  That's Oh my gosh, I cannot handle it. Even this, I'm always like talking and I'm listening like,  "Oh my gosh, I'm supposed to be like running this. show and like steering this, navigating it cuz I  get so into it and I like to actively listen." And. so when I'm also doing something public speaking,  I don't want to memorize. I was going to say, do you like memorizing or no? Because you never  have to memorize for for your show or for like No.

And I just I'm such a chitchat that I just want  to chat again. Yeah. Just like talk and hang with. you that I'm like, "Oh my gosh, I feel like the  Senate would appreciate that." Oh my gosh, that's. too scary for me. But tell me about that. Tell me  about your journey there and your advocacy work. So, Senator Warren slid into my DMs, believe it  or not, which was incredible. I was like, "Wait, what is happening again?" That is amazing. Um, but  yeah, she had followed the story and she watched. Say Yes to the Dress. And so, that is so cute.  She's been fighting for banning non-competes, the.

FTC, and the whole shebang. And so, she just said,  "I'd love for you to come testify and tell your. story." And what was really poetic about it was  that I had actually just gotten my intellectual. property back in a bankruptcy court. Amazing. And  so this was maybe a month later that I was being. invited to tell the story start to finish. And  I think during a lawsuit, there were parts where. I just was so afraid that something I was saying  would be misinterpreted or used against me in the.

court of law, which, you know, could be. Yes. It's  horrible. You're on the other side of it. And now. I'm like gh like my shoulders went down like I can  I can breathe. And I I actually went into it very. nervous as well but with something with a bit of  resolve because first of all I just have to tell. my story which is the easiest thing in the world  when you're just saying what happened, right? But I also just felt this L. Woods like pomp and  pageantry of it that this is it girls like like.

let's go girls, you know, kick down the door and  like wear a pink suit. And so I just really went. into it because I couldn't believe it. I felt like  God was giving me this moment to like get up there. and just say like here here's what happened and  here's why you need to be careful when you sign. these contracts, you know? And so that's really  what it meant to me. and my parents were there. and Conrad came and my lawyers came. So, it was  like this like group moment and just camaraderie. going in together during all of this and you  going through that journey and then getting.

your name back in the bankruptcy court all of  that but on this way were people through your. new social media account were they telling  you that they've been in similar situations. like what made you start your nonprofit? Yes. So  after we had put the problem out, isn't that what. the Senate also what you were speaking? Don't  they sort of align? They do. Uh the nonprofit. is really about providing advocacy to young  entrepreneurs and creators, especially during.

those formative years when they're likely to fall  prey to one-sided or predatorial contracts, right? And they're operating with minimal resources.  Luckily, we do have like chat GPT and these things. that you could just throw the contract in. Let's  see what it says. Insane now. But it is lawyers. still cannot be replaced. I will say Haynes Boom  is great. My legal team was fabulous. But it um. it really was this way to create conversation  about what's going on here because especially. in the influencer world and personal branding  world where you have these exclusivity contracts.

you sign all these perpetuities all this name  and likeness stuff. You've got AI coming into. the picture now. Who owns what? And it it really  is complex and convoluted and everyone is almost. at a disadvantage if you're not investing  and learning from it. And so our nonprofit. has funding for contracts. We provide access to  low bono and pro bono attorneys because a number. of law firms are required to have pro bono hours  served. And so many lawyers and law firms reach.

out to me because of the case. They're like,  "What's what's happening over here?" You know, and let me help with other creators. And so  we do that and then we also just share mostly. female stories but stories of you know Kate  Spade, Holston, Bobby Brown. I mean I am not. special in that this has happened before and it  unfortunately probably will happen again. And so. the best we can do is try to get ahead of it and  not scare creators, just arm them with the right.

resources to at least start out on the right foot  and not feel like they're being difficult just. because they're trying to understand a contract  or ask questions. I forgot about the Kate Spade. one. I like remember that so vividly now. But the  one thing I will share is that we did change case. law which is amazing. So that is amazing. My  case, one of the things that was particularly. strange was the social media element, right?  Because like how can it be a catch-all? I was. a designer. Why does a social media account have  anything to do with a trademark? Right? Why didn't. they just change the handle name? And so what  we proved after two trips to an appellet court,

so they had to do two huge appeals. Yes. They  found basic property law can be applied to a. social media account. So unless the account was  transferred or sold or written into a contract to. transfer over, it belongs to the original holder  and opener of the account. Thank goodness. And. so I congratulations. And then out. So you did get  your account back. I did. I got it back. Gosh. I'm. like at this point, screw those people. Not your  account, but the people that stole it. I'm like,

this is crazy. I want everything back from that.  I want it all. But it was also so funny cuz I. had all these DMs where like you'll see a DM from  like 2021 and it's like like I'm give her account. back. And then the next one is like four years  later and it's like, hi sunshine. Oh my gosh, I'm so happy you're back. The duality of it, but  also just to see how everyone rallied for you and. like so many of them are people you don't know  and it's so incredible. Like I Yeah, sometimes.

social media can get really overwhelming, but  then other there's so much good to it as well. How did it make you feel to use your name for the  first time after you won all your lawsuits and you. were able to be creative and free of all of what  was going on? It was a bit indescribable. I bet I. I immediately thought of my parents because Mimi  and Jeff, you know, they're like they felt like. they had done something wrong, right? Like should  we have Yes. Should we have given them, you know,

a lawyer, you know? And I think the fact that they  named me and here I was doing something where some. people were like, "Oh, well, you sold your name."  And it's like, "No, I got a job." Like, you know, this was a big problem that happened. Yes, I admit  the mistake. I shouldn't have signed the contract, but getting the name back and feeling like I got  to discover who I was without a name. I got to. find out, yes, I love that my identity is wedding  dresses, but it's also so many other things. Yes. And so I I learned so much in that journey.  And so now when I say my name, it comes with.

this just real gratitude um and humility and like  fortitude because like I fought for it and got it. back. This is my name. Yes. But it's just crazy  that this could even happen. It is. It is nuts to. me. I keep going back there. Sign a contract and  basically sign away your constitutional rights. And that's what people don't realize is like you  believe as a human you have these rights, right?

But there can be contracts where you actually  sign your rights away and without even knowing. it or if it's interpreted a certain way, right?  And so it's just good to take a beat. It as much. as you want the opportunities, just to know that  you're at least giving yourself a fair chance to. not be in a situation like that. Going through all  of this, was there anything you did for yourself? Like what were things that you would do? cuz I've  gone to trial, I've done court, I've been sued and. it's horrible. Is there anything that you would do  to like get you through your days? Did you start.

like I'm someone I work out all the time and it's  a release for me. It's not about the scale. It's. mentally I need that release. Is there something  that you did? You'll appreciate this because. movement Mhm. was far more profound in my ability  to deal with my situation than manifesting. Yeah. Or just motivation even. It was, okay, I'm not  feeling great. I'm going to go on a walk. Okay,

I'm going to go for a workout. Okay, I'm going  to go jump on a trampoline. Happy you were able. to do that cuz some people get really depressed  and stuck. You can't do anything. It's something. I would encourage people to almost force and start  small, you know, like totally do 10 squats in the. bathroom and like notice how your physiology  just changes. Yeah. And it's also really a. good distraction of discipline because you feel  productive when you're working out. And I I'm sure. you have like your routine, you know, you get up,  you get your workout in, and you just feel like.

you're starting your day ahead. It sets the tone.  It does. And like it is so up here. It's great for. your body, but it is up here where all that that  work is actually being done. I tell people that. all the time and I know a lot of the times it's  easier said than done. You don't need a trainer. You don't need a private gym. Cuz people are like,  "Must be nice for you to say." I'm like, "Okay, well, you can go on a walk outside." Especially  like the sunlight or just And like you said,

10 squats in the bathroom. It's not even about  running a marathon. Sometimes you just need to. move your body a little bit and your blood flow.  It's so silly and simple. Like we don't need all. these extras, but it works wonders. It's changed  my life and it's not about like now I'm like I. have a tricep which I never had 10 years ago and  so and those things are sense of accomplishment. for me cuz I it's proven my determination and  dedication. So for that, but what it does for.

me psychologically is so much more than I've ever  understood and until I started living it. It's a. total game changer. Now that you have your name  back and you did have Chvel, do you still have. Chvel? I do. You do? Yes. And where do they merge  under one fashion house? We are trying to figure. that out right now actually. And because you're  a branding mogul, you know, oh my gosh, I can. figure your brain. It's one of those things where  okay, dedicated all this time to a small business.

We were manufacturing the shoes. We were start  to finish and it was just me and one business. partner. And so it was a heavy lift. Good for you.  Yeah, that is you've done shoes because those are. so hard. Shoes are so different cuz all the size  runs you're guessing. And don't tell me you're. doing widths too. Of course, because for wedding  you have to. And then like tens, 11s, 12elves, and. then people with custom shoes and you're like I I  don't even think I can do that. Are you doing the. three widths? We are. We only did one width for  a while and then we cut down to like full sizes,

but like I don't think what people realize is you  have to buy your inventory. Yes. And you're okay. How many size eight and halfs am I going to sell?  Well, I don't know. That's why so and people don't. realize why so many people don't do half sizes  or don't go all the way up to Yeah. because of. the just differences in inventory. So much money  too. and then storing that like there's so much. the minutia that goes all into it. And then people  want the turnover because they want new stuff and. like what do I want to do with all this other  [ __ ] I know. But it it really I learned so.

much about business obviously it was great. But  then when I got the intellectual property back. and I was like okay well I'm going to bridle like  I'm full speed ahead like we're going back into. bridal. I basically just gave myself permission to  say this is a small business with very dedicated. loyal customers. I don't need to be this. right  now I just need to maintain so that I can go over. here and get back what what I love the most and  then find a way to kind of brand them somehow.

And we did do a number of shoes that feel very  bridal that you can pair with the dresses. But, you know, I'm just managing it the best I can and  trying to make sure that I'm giving my best effort. because I do feel like I want to make up for lost  time a little bit, especially in bridal. And so, We've got great shoes on the collection and so  at least right now it's just about maintaining. it and then figuring out how we can scale at  some point. What part of your like creative.

identity do you do you find the most fulfilling  right now? I still very much lead with love, which. is such a cliche. I know. I love that. It is like  I just love it so much and I love that I get to do. it again and I love that people love that for me  and so it's just this loop of of real security in. my life of okay I thought it got it back and  here we are again you know there's like that.

reunited it feels so good for sure but I I feel  like I didn't lose my whimsy through the wicked. parts and you can like life will beat it out of  you and If if you just pay attention to who you. really are in those moments where your identity is  being tested or really circumstances are working. against you and reach for what that is. Even  when you're in your lows, you can still hold. on to that. Keep that pilot light on. For me, that  was creativity and creating things for women. So,

I think people need to hear that more than ever  right now. So, that's beautiful. This is silly, but um what is one bridal trend that you're loving  right now? I love a good basque waist. At first, I. was I don't know because sometimes with the basque  way, so that's when you have like this really deep. V in the front. It's very Weathering Heights, very  like Renaissance, very like pirate core, you know? We have very designer terms over here, but  I think it is super flattering on proportion.

and it gives you this room to play with your hip  shape and get that hourglass shape. So, for me, I'm so um straight up and down a bit and I've  always wanted like that curvy like beautiful like. snatched waist and I think the basque is something  that gives you that proportion and I love that the. tighter corsets are coming back and the tighter  corsets snatch the waist. though. I'd say that. But color is also super fun. A lot more brides  are open to color options, which I think is What.

do you think the top like three colors are that  aren't white? Blush, blue, and champagne. Oh, blue. is interesting. I've actually never I don't think  I've seen a blue wedding dress. Blue. Yes. No, but I get I'm like, duh. I get it. But like a soft  powder blue. Yes. What was the fastest turnaround. for a dress? A wedding dress that you've been  asked to do? Oh. Uh, it has to be my sister's. No. Yeah. So, she had a surprise wedding. Oh my god.  Who surprised her? Well, she surprised every other.

group. Surprised we're getting married. I'm like  I'm like, wait, this is like so crazy. Oh my god, that would be epic. Actually, that would be No,  she she surprised you guys. Got it. I'm like, that's a risky game. He's Yes. She surprised  all of her guests and no one knew except me and. basically my parents and and the groom. Um, but  she and I surprise both went through divorces, but the going back to it, she was like, "Okay,  I'm getting married in 2 days." And so it was.

kind of similar to your situation cuz you're like  obviously what can you do for me? Um, and as a. designer, I actually think it's this fun challenge  because you're like, "Okay, let's go. You know, get the scissors. Let's figure this out." And  so she did pick something from the existing. collection because it's really hard to whip up  a full dress in two days. But we did tailor it. to perfection and she she loves Rod Stewart. So I  did like a hand embroidery of a Rod Stewart lyric. on the inside of it. That is so cute. Still made  it special. But it was a that was a pretty quick.

turnaround. If you can design anyone's wedding  dress, who would it be? Yours. Thank you. What. would you design for me? Like do you design  Yeah. What would you design for me? Ooh. Gosh, you would look so I mean Okay. And that's on  the spot. I know spinning. No. And people ask. me things all like, "What's your favorite movie?"  I'm like, I really love a basket waist for you. I. think we need something that's a bit more moody,  and structured, but like has like an architectural.

vibe to it, but like a hint of whimsy. I would  want to like really push up the neckline, like give that sexiness. Talk to me. And  like we have to show off the triceps. Oh, so I would I would go strapless, but I want  some like really fabulous seam work in the. bodice. Love. And then I think this skirt we go  a little bit more dramatic like still structured, but I think I want to see you in like more of a  ball gown. Yes. Okay. Corset back. I love corset.

Here's a veil. Turning it on. H. I don't know.  We would We feel like you're flirting with me. We need like five looks. Sure. We do. And I sort  of want them all really different. Yes. eclectic. Yes. Oh, for sure. You are versatile. Have you  seen you? I mean, I just like wear a trash bag, which we won't put you in. Okay, sure. No, just  kidding. You look amazing. I like to just try. sort of anything and everything. It's just fun.  Yeah, we got to play dress up for you. Veil or no. veil? Veil. Yeah, right. Every time cuz it's just  a moment anyway. So, have it. I don't understand.

why people don't wear a veil. It's your wedding.  It is like a nu a nuisance sometimes. It's like if. you're outside and it's windy and you got to get  the weight right. Yes. But I just think it's the. drama. It completes the look. Yes. And like go big  or go home. I love the drama. But you're asking a. wedding designer. Big wedding or intimate wedding?  Oh gosh, both. I would say do one of each. Yeah, that's my girl. Okay. Yes. Classic dress or  dramatic dress? Dramatic. I know that answer.

That's silly. I can't not. Okay. Do you want a  first look or an aisle reveal? Isisle reveal, right? Yes. And then do the like your fake first  look photos after. Yes. Skip the cocktail hour, let your guests get to know each other and  then come into the dinner. I agree. H I love. the aisle reveal. Yeah. Destination wedding or  hometown wedding? Destination. Really? Yeah.

I think it is really fun to give your guests  cuz people are going to be flying in anyway, but to make it feel like a bit of a vacation, like  a retreat, and like that's their gift to you or. like their gift to you for coming to your wedding.  Like we're not going to register or anything cuz I. feel like making people travel. It's like Yes.  And I think that's so kind when people press. about that gift. I'm like, you just flew to Italy  now. Oh, we're doing Italy now. I love this. Oh, yes. We're going to Italy. We're going to Italy.  How's it like planning your own wedding? It's a.

bit chaotic cuz we're like I'm still in transition  of designing the collections. Our new collection. is coming out in like 4 days. Oh my gosh.  And and we just did the first one in Palm. Beach 6 months ago. And then I'm designing for my  wedding launch. So there's a lot of overlapping. layers. And I would say one thing that's great is  while I do care about the details, I have so many. great service professionals like wedding planners,  Sam Koma is like insanely cool and talented and I.

can just be like you've got this. So you're not a  big bridezilla. I don't think I'll I don't know. Maybe I was super chill about mine, but it was  more bridechilla. Yeah. But it was more my mom. like needed to have a wedding for us, one of us.  And I was like, "Yeah, you like I could see that. happening." Knew it. Like I just Yeah. She's like,  "I got this." And I loved that. Me thinking about.

napkins or I'm like, "What the I don't even I  can't process all that. I just wanted to get. married." Yeah. So, I was I would have showed up  anywhere. I would have done a courthouse wedding. I didn't care about that. I'm so happy I had my  wedding. I love it. But I don't think I could have. handled the planning. There's too many questions.  But you're so detail- oriented. I know. I know. you're like a little OCD because so is my fiance.  And like I feel like you have just a detailed. brain. Yes. And so like caring about that stuff  just is such a good thing. You know, it is. But.

I think I would care too much about everything.  So I was like, you know what? You do you, girl. What's next for you? I mean, you just told me 15  things that you're doing, so I don't think Yeah. You're like, I don't have time to think about  this. We definitely need to get on our save the. dates. Uh cuz we're getting married this year. We  were like seven years and then all of a sudden I'm. like, send out. You didn't send out your save  the dates yet? No. Okay. Um I'm a professional, I swear. But in this moment, um, but no, I I do  feel I want to be careful to be super mindful.

right now and like present because there's a part  of me that has felt like I've been on the hamster. wheel running and running and running for my life,  you know, and then now I'm like rebuilding and I. want to get this back out there and I got the  small business and now we're getting married. and so like doing a lot at one time. Yeah. And I  get nervous that I'm like, "Okay, am I am I here. right now present in this moment?" Because a lot  of times I just feel like what's ne what's next,

you know? So I would say what's next is that  I need to just be like, yeah, present. Yeah, I get that. Do you see yourself expanding from  the bridal world into a different category? I. know keeping shoes, keeping bridal. Yes, I I would  I would. That's amazing. But I would also want to. take advice from people that have really learned  how to brand properly because I think for me, I've just been really focused in the bridal  world. And then when I started my small business,

like I really understood my own limitations and  what I needed to learn and it's so important to. bring people into your atmosphere that are really  good at what they do. Yes. And that you can trust. and that they can handle the job, you know, and  like right now I have that with my bridal company. I still independently own it, but I have this  amazing manufacturing, distribution, sales team. with Matty Lane Bridal. And so I want that if I  was to do anything else where it's like you've. got this amalgamation of specialty people doing  what they're good at and what they do their whole.

career. But what about you? Is there an area that  you've been wanting to go into? cuz I mean you've. your branding is so beautiful and in so many  different categories that are all different. Thank. you. But is there one that is tapping you on the  shoulder a little bit that you've not gone into. yet? Not right now. So I turned 40 almost 2 years  ago. I can't believe that. And I started this. podcast and I didn't really and all these things  like you know contracts we were talking about. I.

started this podcast fragrance and my snack food  brand Cloud at they all came out at the same time. but that was never the intention and I am just I  love each one of them. They're all so different. Mhm. And I love each one of them but I don't want  to just be like okay and now I'm going to do this. and I'm going to do that. I really really want  to marinate with each one and I think that is. important because I love each one and I've never  done snacks before. So, I'm like, I have to really.

engross myself in this field cuz I don't know  a lot about it. I go to food expos and do these. things to That sounds like a dream. You get to  try snacks. Yes, you go around to different booths. and you do things like that, but things that I've  never done cuz I didn't have a reason to. Fashion. I feel like I know really really well either from  the buying side, from owning a clothing store. And. so, the like podcasting I was like, what the hell  am I doing here? like I had to learn more about. it. In season 1, our format was a little different  than season 3 cuz we had to try things to see what.

stuck and even what I like out of it. And so a lot  of right now I feel so fulfilled with everything. I'm doing, but they're all babies. So I still  have to watch my babies right now. Yes. Vertically. integrate. Yes. Yes. And so maybe in a few years  if you ask me I'll have a different answer. But. right now I'm like no I'm kicking ass trying to  educate myself more about all of these different. fields that I love so much. And it's exciting cuz  not that I was ever bored with what I was doing.

before. But there was so much that I just know  it's autopilot. Mhm. And I'm like TV I got this. clothing I got this. And I'm like, so now doing  different things that are newer, it is like this. new surge of energy that I have and passion. Yeah.  And there's like a tendency for people to think, especially with somebody who is so visible, you  know, and just like has this amazing community. behind her that it's like, oh, she's going  into this and hit it and quit it, you know,

and it's like, no, like so much goes into these  launches and perfecting it. And like again being. OCD or very detailed like I can imagine you're  like you know so like the care that goes into. it is so important. Well I feel like you're a lot  like me cuz you keep talking about your audience. and I care so much about ever giving out like  wrong information. So I do my best to realize. sometimes I forget like oh people are watching  this. Like it's not just the people in here. It's.

not just you and me. No. Like it's so I'm so used  to this that sometimes I can forget. So, I'll say. like silly things are inappropriate, but like I  genuinely want to believe in anything that I'm. doing because I know how much that matters to the  people that are rallying behind me and I know how. hard it is to make money. I know how hard people  work and I never want to take advantage of that. And so, I'm always really really thoughtful. I try  to be with what I'm doing and what the messaging.

I'm putting out there because I know how much it  matters and how especially in today's day we like. want hope and something to hold on to. I'm like  I hope I'm giving the right messaging and putting. the right energy out there cuz it does make a  difference. And you're I can tell you're like. that too. And it's important cuz so many people  just frivolously do things. That's so wonderful, Chloe. Like it's very inspiring to hear that  and um special because it it reminds people. that no matter like where you are in your life,  caring about how people receive you, you know,

that's that's the real karma. That's the real  stuff. Yeah. That matters that confirms over time, you know, cuz cuz fortune can change, but yes,  who you are, like that's something to build on. Yes. Well, thank you. I want you to um remind  everyone about your nonprofit and your app. So the um the nonprofit is called a girl you might  know foundation. So with little cheeky fun uh play. off of that phrase and yeah a girl you might know  foundation.org where all the information is and.

then haleypage.com is the main bridal and then I  have miss haley page back which is the Instagram. we fought hard to get crazy. And so but now I  have like a hundred Instagrams because I like. all these other ones. Don't you wish you could  like somehow merge them? I know cuz I don't want. to fatigue my audience too. Or yourself. Yeah. Or  that. I'm like it is exhausting. Yes. Even just. going from like Instagram to Tik Tok. I'm like  oh I can't do I'm a millennial. No. No. Same. I.

am like how do I tick the talk? Like Well, and cuz  they're they're different. It's different content. Different. It's very raw. And I'm like I want  No, this isn't raw to be camera ready. Yes. No, we're not raw. So I I'm not you know the heart.  Yeah, the heart. But this is I'm like this. This. is glam. I do not wake up like this. Match the  energy. So yeah, it's it's tough. But um other. than that that's where they can find me in in  stores now. So bridal stores. And don't you have.

an app or did I make that up? Yeah, I do have  um so actually do have an app. It's called Holy. Match Emoji which is a it's a emoji app and it was  actually I was inspired by Kim's the Oh my gosh. Holy match emoji. I love that. That is so cute.  But now you can like make an app like that in chat. GBT in like five minutes. And it took me like two  years to create the vectors for this. I know it's. crazy. It's kind of obsolete. But um and then we  do have she is Shioal which is the shoe brand. So. Well, you are busy. You are busy girl. But I'm so  happy for you. Everything is so positive and that.

is your karma cuz you deserve all the positive  and all the love and all the success and I'm. so happy for you. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for  being here and thank you for all that you do for. these young men and women, both of them, but you  help so many people and letting them just feel. like there's light or at least a place they can  go to if they have questions or feel like they're. struggling themselves or not getting themselves  in bad situations. So, thank you so so much.