Khloé & Savas Oguz Debate the Moon Landing, Aliens, Giants, & More | Khloé In Wonder Land

This episode is about conspiracy. theories. Have you heard that aliens and. humans have crossbre? >> Oh my [laughter] god. >> You don't believe in one thing I believe. in. >> The vaz is born to argue. >> That's what people say, but I disagree. >> I come from a place of anything's. possible. You want [music] to prove like. that I'm crazy and like you are, right? Which I am. You believe the moon landing. happened. >> I do. >> And you're telling me the president was. able just to call up the moon? We don't. even have service in some parts of.

Calabasas. >> One interesting conspiracy I think is. how pyramids were made. [music]. >> This one's going to really get me going. What? How would they have the. technology? The giants helped. Do I. really want to get your thoughts on. Antarctica? >> What is What are you going to say? There's aliens there or something? >> There's portals. >> You think that's Do you believe in that? >> Have you like ever seen a ghost? Literally last week, you know when. someone walks by you and you feel a gust. of wind and I was like, "Oh, what is in. here?". >> I don't believe in ghosts.

This was fun. I have so many [music]. more to. >> We got to do this again. >> Dare I ask your theory on mermaids? >> Mermaids. >> This podcast [music] I'm so excited. about because I've been wanting to get. Seaz on the pod for a while now. Saz is. a dear friend of mine. I've known him. for about nine plus years. >> 10 years.

>> Yeah. Nine plus years. >> And I met Seaz because when I was dating. Tristan, SAZ is one of Tristan's best. friends from childhood. >> And SAZ and I just really clicked. And. when Tristan and I broke up, I still got. to keep SAZ. So that's a good ending. >> No, we're literally family, right? Yes. We're actually brother and sister. I see. SAZ literally every single day and if I. don't see him for a day, it feels like a.

year has gone by. >> No, seriously. >> It's so weird. >> We work out together. >> We work out together. We like travel. together. He's also in my family. If you. are friends with one of us, you're. friends with all of us. So, SAZ is. friends with all of my siblings, my mom, everything. So, SAZ is literally like my. brother. And this episode is going to be. about conspiracy theories and just us. bantering about that. And the reason why.

is because SAZ and I do this all day. long. >> in a group chat with her brother. >> In a group chat with Rob or we'll just. fight during our workout non-stop. We. argue and SAS is born to argue. But I. but I will only argue with conspiracy. theories. Like you're. >> argue with anyone. >> No, but I will mainly argue against like. people that have crazy opinions. >> I feel like I I'm like a very like.

>> even. >> rational thinker. >> Okay. But you're also just. I also think sometimes SAS will argue. for the sake of arguing. Like. >> people say that but I don't see it. >> Oh, I'm not the only one that says that. No, a lot of people say it, but I don't. I genuinely do not see it. I feel like I. argue against stuff that's like. >> or somebody will say something crazy and. I'll say, "Oh, >> I think you just love to go against the. grain." So, if I'm like, "Oh, this is. red." You're like, "I I disagree." And. I'm like, "Saz,

>> that's what people say, but I disagree.". But, >> but anyway, it's amazing and I love it. and I wouldn't want to fight with anyone. else. And this is your first time. >> doing a podcast? >> Doing a podcast in general? >> Is that what you were going to say? I. was going to say your first time in. Wonderland. >> Oh yeah, this is my first time called. Chloe and Wonderland. >> I wouldn't rather be in nowhere else. >> This would be the This is the podcast. that I feel like I mean I watch all all. your episodes pretty much. >> Stop. That's so nice of you. >> Of course. >> But also, duh. This is your first. podcast. What am I thinking?

>> I know. I'm like highly requested here. >> Hello. This is amazing. >> Not a single person requested me, but. >> I requested you forever. Let's have a. sip. >> All right. I'm drinking vodka Sprite and. me on vodka. What's a little tidbit? >> Oh my god. Comes nuts off vodka. >> Vodka and I do not go hand in hand, but. I could have a glass, but I'm very. aggressive on vodka. Kendall will also. confirm. >> Oh my god. >> I've beat Kendall up a few times. >> I've seen you drag her. >> It's so sad. Like there's no reason.

She's the nicest girl and I attack her. >> Why her? But you're the nicest guy and I. SAZ wears a baseball hat every day of. his life and he has. >> the best head of hair. I do not. understand because I don't like to do my. hair. It's like so much work. >> It is literally like Fabio, which you. don't know who Fabio is. I bet. Exactly. But like the shorter version, this. luscious thick locks of hair and he puts. a baseball hat on it every.

>> because like my hair is like thinner. I. want to say it's not. But it's like if I. don't put product in it, it will just. like fly everywhere. >> So I don't want to put product every. day. >> So much hair. >> But I do flick his hat off when I'm. drunk. Not. >> every time. So I have to like stay far. away from you every time. No, I. literally like. >> I literally say, "Okay, I cannot go near. her.". >> Especially if I'm with like if I'm. beside somebody that I don't want to be. like. >> get embarrassed in front of or. something.

>> She will grab my hat, throw it in the. water, do this. It's crazy. He's like my. brother. And so Seaz is Turkish. >> Mhm. >> His parents are from Turkey. >> From Turkey. >> You're from Toronto. >> First generation Canadian. >> Oh, yeah. >> Which is most of our like most people. around my age are first generation. Canadians. Cuz everybody's parents. >> Oh. In Toronto. >> In Toronto. >> The reason also why I'm saying that is. there's a lot of things that you don't. know about. Like I think because you.

weren't raised. >> for sure. >> like Americanized. >> Oh no, for sure. >> And so one of those things are there was. this video that I saw and it was like. lies your parents told and I want to. know if your parents told you the same. lies since they're foreign. Would they. like these are things I definitely was. told as a kid. >> Okay, let's do. >> Okay. Were you ever told you'll go blind. if you sit too close to the TV? >> Yes. >> It's illegal to drive with the lights on. in the car? Uh, no. I don't think they.

told me that. >> I used to be in such fear. If I turn the. little light on, I used to be in fear. We're all going to jail. Yeah. If you. swallow gum, it takes seven years to. digest. >> Uh, I don't think I heard that. >> Wow. If you pee in the pool, a ring will. form around you. >> A ring? No, I've never. >> Or like it will turn red. >> You'll see a color or something. I was. always told that. >> I've got eyes in the back of my head. >> Mm- What's that? so fast. >> Like I mean the common saying like I got. >> no like as a parent I would be like true.

don't do that because I have eyes in the. back of my head. Look if I turn around. I'm still watching you. >> Yeah. Yeah. Of course. >> If you make that face it will stay. forever like that. >> Definitely. >> Yeah. Why did they say that to us? Like. who cares if you make that face? >> I don't know. It's like people Have you. ever heard the cross-eyed one? Like if. you cross your eyes too much your eyes. stick. >> I still think that might happen. >> I know. [laughter] Me too. >> I'm not crossing my eyes. What about you. can't swim for 30 minutes after eating? >> No, I've never heard that.

>> Oh, I heard that a thing all the time, but I don't think it's real. You can. swim whenever you want. >> I've definitely never heard that one. >> Do you know what prompted me to want to. do this? >> What? >> When my kids were playing the head, shoulders, knees, and toes song. >> and you've never heard it before, >> right? >> That's outrageous to me. >> I mean, it's cuz you they listen to it. all day. >> No. No. Sez, have you ever heard that. song? >> Which one? >> Head, shoulders, knees, and toes. >> Like the. >> the song that we played and you were.

like, >> I've never heard that. No. >> Right. That. >> Why? Why? Why is that so surprising? Is. that like a popular song or something? No, seriously. I've never heard Who is. it by? >> Well, I It's happy birthday. No one. knows who it's by. It's just. >> I mean, I'm sure cuz you have kids. Did. you know prior to having kids? >> I was a kid. >> Oh, I've never heard that. That's. definitely a Canadian American thing. They weren't playing like we we didn't. have too much money so it's not like we. could watch TV and hear these things. >> Happy birthday Birthday. Do you know. that song? >> I mean obviously to me it's like.

equivalent. >> really. >> like do you know Ring Around the Rosie? >> Of course. >> that's the same. >> Really? I've never heard. >> Yeah. >> Yes. I think I've never heard that. >> I think it's the same equivalency as. Ring Around the Rosie. >> That's crazy. So, what wanted me to read. you some of these was I just find it so. fascinating that you don't know that. song. Did you always love conspiracies? >> I think I was always into them. >> And you were you're always on the side.

of you don't believe in them? >> I don't believe in them. >> So, where do you find out about. conspiracies through other people or do. you like look for them? >> Honestly, I feel like they just on. social media. I see them a lot. Twitter. >> But now my algorithm is all. conspiracies. I mean, I send you and Rob. the craziest. >> No, Chloe, if whenever you see like all. Chloe needs to see is big white letters. on like a picture of something and it. will say like the world is ending in. 2028. She'll be like, "Oh my god, guys, look, the world is ending." I'll be.

like, "Chloe, >> I believe everything.". >> But you will send like 20 at a time and. I like I won't get to all of them. >> No. And Rob does Rob is like, "Can you. just. >> He will respond to one of the last. [laughter] ones.". >> He will. He's like, "Can you stop?" Do. you prefer a conspiracy to be unsolved. or would you rather know the truth? Like. is it fun to go down these rabbit holes? >> I don't really believe in conspir like. I'm into them. Like I like that they're. brought up but I don't believe that like. the. >> Right. But what So what I think you are.

you like to debunk a conspiracy. >> Yes. >> And you want to prove like that I'm. crazy and like which are right which I. am. And you want to be like, "This is. not real." And you want to debunk it. >> for sure. >> But without the conspiracy, what would. we even talk about? It's what we talk. about all night and day. >> No, it's it's I mean, I like just basic. conversation about conspiracies cuz you. say I like to argue. I guess I do. But I.

don't know. I just I I obviously I think. conspiracies are super interesting. Like. depending on like the I looked into the. uh moon one. >> Oh, that's where we're going. Okay. You. talk about the moon landing. >> I believe that it happened now. >> I do. >> Seaz, >> no, I do. >> You believe the moon landing happened? >> I do. >> Please tell me why. >> I mean, so, okay, so when I was young, people used to say, "Oh, the flag was. waving." That was like a common like, >> okay, >> thing that would debunk the. >> Sure. >> But I looked into that and they said.

that was because they moved the flag and. then there was some like waving, >> but there's some science behind why. >> No, there's not. >> So, what about the four camera angles? Which what is that? >> If they're the first person on the moon. You're telling me there's four cameramen. that went on the moon from different. positions and they're filming them. >> I mean, I just don't see because they. said they've been to the moon like a. >> You're telling me the president was able. just to call up the moon, the people on. whatever, just be like, "Hey guys, did.

you make it?" Like, we don't even have. service in some parts of Calabasas. I. know it is strange that we haven't just. didn't happen. >> But you know what they say it's happened. like more than once like six times or. something. Five or six times. >> but in that period it was like in the. early 70s or something. My thing is I've. seen like Elon I know like you can't. just always go back to this but I've. seen Elon say like he believes it's real. and that gives him hope that he's going. to make it happen like he's going to do. it again. >> Well, why has no one done it again? They.

have sent vehicles to the moon and that. type of stuff, but like. >> I know it's kind of strange. I don't. know. But you would say generally the. world believes that that's a real thing, right? Other than like conspiracy. theorists. >> Well, duh. That's what a conspiracy. theorist is, >> right? But so you're like one of the. like. >> I don't believe we landed on the moon. >> You don't? >> I don't. I just don't. The flag moving. How is the flag waving back and forth. like there's wind? It just doesn't make.

sense. That's some like scientific thing. where like when you if you twist the. pole, there's I don't know what the. exact term is, but like something. happened to the to the flag. >> I just don't believe it. >> All right. >> I don't get the phone call the president. made to the astronauts. >> I just think that is so easy to That. would easily be. >> the 60s though. It was the 60s. They You. were able to hide so much. >> No, it's true. I don't I believe that.

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That's ritual.com/cloey. for 25% off your first month. This one's going to really get me going. Oh god. >> What is it? >> What are your thoughts on aliens? >> I don't believe they exist. >> Seaz, the government has confirmed that. they exist. >> But they haven't though. >> But they have. >> like like actual like. >> I've told you this before. You don't.

believe me. During co they admitted that. there was UFOs. >> Yeah. All a UFO is is like an. unidentified like flying object, right? So it's like something you don't even. know what it is. >> But so a sheet of metal flying through. the air and you would think, "Oh, that's. a UFO.". >> No, it's from another It's foreign. It's. from another. >> But they don't know where it's from. It. could be from anywhere, right? >> Sure, it could be, but it's not. And and.

by UFO, you mean like something like. some like aliens flying this thing. through the air or something? Is that. what you believe? >> So, do you believe that we're the only. planet with living organisms on it. in the entire galaxy? >> Like living life? >> Well, I'm not saying I have to be humans. like you and I, but you just think like. there's black hole after black hole and. galaxy after galaxy. You don't think. that there's a possibility? I personally.

don't I'm not I think. >> I think earth is such like a um life on. earth is like such like a unique thing. >> that it had to be like once in a. >> like whatever. >> God's design. >> yes God's design and I don't think. >> but why couldn't God design other things. >> he could I don't I just feel like we. would know there would be more concrete. evidence I haven't seen one piece of. evidence where I'm like okay now I. believe in aliens not one thing other. than people talking And I don't know.

>> Okay. >> I know you send like a lot of these. things where like people claim they seen. an alien. Like I remember remember when. you sent the Miami the Miami mall thing. >> You don't think the Miami alien mall. sighting happened? >> It was the worst thing I've ever seen. ever. >> What? So when was this? >> I had to be like what? >> New Year's. It was a New Year's. >> That might have been the worst. >> Miami. There was a incident at the Miami. Mall. I don't know what the mall's name.

is, but I I literally saw I think. 183 police cars showed up to the mall. >> and there was people running out saying. there's aliens. There's some there's. this 8 foot 10 foot tall black. shadow figure. >> Someone mentioned a portal had opened. up. Shut up. Sebast, >> that is. >> No, no. I know you're not going to like. the portal situation. Saz the You're.

telling me 183 cops got called to the. Miami Mall. >> It was because there was a They thought. it was an active shooter in there. >> Have you ever seen, let's just say, God. forbid there was. Have you ever seen 183. cop cars go active? >> Legitimately counting every if that was. in the report from the state. >> Okay. They're not counting the amount of. cop cars in the dam. >> That is insane. >> Everything I say he does, he just won't.

believe. >> Do you believe that there was an alien. in that mall? >> Yes. >> And there was not a single. >> 100% because something happened to all. their phones where aliens have like. energetic devices and they can shut. everything down. SAZ. >> with all these cell phones. You don't. think somebody could just take out a. cell phone, a camera. >> I just told you what happened. >> They have a special devices. >> Yes. And energetically it shuts. everything 100%. Rob and I both believe. there were thousand%. And let me also tell you if it wasn't.

real. >> why do we never talk about it again? People they bury it. New Year's Day the. mall. Are we okay? I think people don't. talk about it cuz it was not real and it. was so crazy. >> No, it was real. Why were 183 cop cars. called there? >> Cuz they thought it was an active It was. a bunch of kids causing a ruckus. They. thought maybe there was a a shooting. type of situation. >> I've never seen 183 cop cars called to a. shooting situation. >> Yeah, but it's a big mall. Like I don't.

know. They probably want to surround the. whole mall. And 183 that could just be a. random number that people threw up. >> Okay. >> There's no way. No convincing this guy. of anything. >> That is insane. >> So, have you heard. how You're really not going to like. this. That aliens and humans have. crossbre. I haven't heard this. What do they say? Like. >> that I know. >> they get alien DNA and they put it in a. human.

>> Okay. >> And they have a baby and. >> Well, who's they? >> I don't know. I don't know who they is, but there's supposedly alien human. crossbreeds and they know who they are. Like the government follows them and has. been monitoring them. >> Never heard of that. That sounds insane. >> It does sound insane, but almost so. insane that it's real. >> But I just feel like again, all this. stuff is happening and nobody has a. picture of anything, a video of. anything. Well, we have UFO photos, but you think.

they're real. >> Flashing a flashing light and you think, "Oh, it's a UFO flying.". >> So, Dr. Steven Greer, who I had on, the. alien expert guy, you're telling me he's. just making up what his position is in. the government. >> I mean, I don't want to talk about him. >> So, anyone that works like people that. do those documentaries that are in the. government currently, I've seen a few of. them. they're a Navy Seal for 30 years. Whatever the case may be, you're telling. me they're making it up. >> I just I would go to them and I would.

say, "Okay, show me one piece of. concrete evidence where you could say, look, an alien exists or look, a UFO, like this is like a flying, I don't. know, whatever, something from another. planet.". >> This guy Sean Ryan, he's like super. legit to me, a nononsense type of guy. He has a podcast and he talks about this. kind of stuff. He has people on in the. military. I think he's ex-military. and he like they've talk about things. I. don't know why these people would all be. making up.

>> again. What do they like? Where's their. evidence aside from this? >> They can't have any when you go into. these. classified buildings. You think they're. letting you bring your cell phone? [laughter]. >> I mean, what are they going to do? Like. you. >> search you, >> but you're also saying like people are. crossbreeding this that like. >> right. How do we have proof of that? >> Has somebody said they seen that with. their own eyes? >> Yes. I just watched this. God, I wish I. save every thing I see. When you say I. overwhelm you with footage, I'm going to. start just sending it to you.

>> No, you legitimately send 20 things at. once and I just click on one random one. and I'll be okay. She's nuts. Let me. just. >> There's aliens and you're nuts. So, what's Area 51? >> That's just like a lot of classified. documents are in there, but I don't. think it's like alien stuff. It's like. stuff with the government and this and. that. >> You're exhausting. You're exhausting. >> Do they say there's alien stuff in. there? >> Yes. >> Nobody actually says it. >> I think people like assume. Has they. ever like confirmed? >> I've been there. Well, they wouldn't let.

me in, but I've been there. And they. there was sand snipers and they took our. footage from Keeping Up cuz we were. close. Yes. It was terrifying. And we. had a man who claimed he was abducted by. aliens in our RV with us. And when we. got close to Area 51, he was vomiting. He was spiraling. He was like, "Let me. off. Let me off." And we were like, "Oh. my god, where did this guy come?" We. didn't know this guys. We were so. freaked out. And on the way to Area 51, they have like um souvenir shops of all.

alien stuff that like random people put. together. Aliens are known to be there. >> This sounds insane. You sound crazy. [laughter] He claimed he was abducted by. aliens. >> He wrote a book about it. He went. missing for like five days and then. randomly [laughter] they found him. again. >> He was probably in Hawaii on the beach. or something. >> It does sound crazy, but it happened. So, do I really want to get your. thoughts on Antarctica? >> What's What did they say about it? >> So, Antarctica is the only.

continent in the world. I think there's. like 50s something treaties that have. been signed that no one will ever build. or go to Antarctica unless it's known. through the government. Like you have to. get government approval. You can't just. go there. If I'm not mistaken, we can't. just fly over Antarctica without anyone. being notified or you'll be like shot. down. >> Why is Antarctica the only place that no. one is allowed to go unless you get. government clearance?

>> What What are you going to say? There's. aliens there or something. >> There's portals. I believe there's. portals there. >> Like portals what that would lead you. like some like you go in the portal and. they'll like. >> we don't know. Seaz, but they also say. that there's. like it's the place where something is. there. I'm going to say aliens. >> And there was this like there was a. scientific research group that went to. Antarctica to do something. They got. lost and someone Americans went out to.

rescue them. They were found and they. were put on a plane back to America and. they would not speak and they would not. speak about what they saw and they were. so traumatized and scarred and they've. never spoken about what they saw. That's. weird. What are these people saying? I. don't like that you're laughing at me. and I'm calling Rob. >> That sounds crazy. >> Hi, I'm doing my podcast and Saz is with me. and he's pissing me off. So what is tell him about Antarctica cuz.

he doesn't believe that there's anything. shady with Antarctica. >> He knows everything that's going on. He. just doesn't believe it. >> No, that one I've never heard genuinely. >> Yes. That there's aliens in Antarctica. Is that what you're talking about? >> Yep. And how every nation in the world. has agreed to not let. >> whatever civilization happen there. When. has every nation agreed on anything? But. you don't think somebody would just risk. their lives and just go try to go get. there and try to get some like. >> There's been people I believe that Yes.

And what happened to them? >> They die. >> They get shot or something. >> I don't know. They freeze. They get. abducted by the aliens. Whatever. And oh. my gosh. And he doesn't believe the. aliens at the mall. >> That one is the worst one I think ever. >> That one I can understand why he. wouldn't believe it. But. >> Robert, don't ruin this for me. It could have been a lot of different. things. >> You're telling me 183. Rob, you were the. one that riled me up about this one. [laughter].

>> No, I did not. But at that time, maybe. >> Yes, of course. >> Listen. >> Okay. What about Malaysia Air? >> That would be so sad. >> There's always. what happened in But why has there not. been any coincidence? So you guys So. where's Malaysia Air? Where's the plane? Where's any piece of the plane. >> to me? >> Oh, you're talking about. >> I'm not talking about the Brazilian. plane. I know what you're That's the one.

where. >> for some reason every time a plane. crashes somehow there's somebody on that. plane that was like going to cure some. type of cancer. >> Well, the one in Brazil had 20 doctors. going. No, but. >> I just think they make these stories up. to make it like like people like you. >> SAZ the Brazilian plane. There was 20. different people going to a cancer. seminar. >> I've seen that. >> to talk about cancer research and like. provide a cure. The plane fell out of. the sky like it was paper. It just.

plummeted. That just disappeared. And no. one has seen a body. No one has found a. thing. >> So who do you think is orchestrating. this? Well, the Brazilian plane, I'm. assuming the people who benefit from. people being sick with cancer. Malaysian. Air rumor is a UFO abducted. >> Oh my god. You don't believe that, do. you, >> Robert? >> I don't know. >> One interesting conspiracy I think is. how pyramids were were made. That one.

I'm genuinely confused. >> What conspiracy? >> I mean, you believe like. do you believe in giants? No, it's. >> the bat in the book of Enoch. >> Giants. You mean like somebody that's. like 75 or something? >> 75 is not a giant. >> What are you saying? Like 20 feet tall? >> Normal human in today's day and age. Giants, they were in the Bible that. giants existed. There's. >> architecture that's still around in from. hundreds of years ago that were like 40.

foot doors. Giants existed. >> Uh he Enoch in the Bible. What if they had something to do with. helping with pyramids? >> I have never heard that, but I mean I. could see like some type of situation. where it's like uh. >> No, nothing that I mean there was. definitely a giant back. >> I definitely believe in giants. >> I mean, I don't know like how tall are. these people? >> Well, I didn't measure them, but. >> but if you're saying like what, like 50.

ft tall or something? >> Maybe. >> I don't know if I believe that. Okay. What about the idea that. pyramids could have been done through. alien technology? So, it's it's etched in Egyptian. >> carvings. Aliens, alien faces. When they. open up some burial things, they look. like alienike. Okay. So, what's your.

answer for that? >> I mean, to me, that just looks like art. people were just bored and just start. >> But you don't think everything that we. see had to be someone's reality at some. point? >> It could. It could. I mean, but a lot of. it tells stories, too. Like, >> and what's the story? >> The stories are left to interpretation, right? So, it's like. >> But an alien is pretty identifiable. [laughter]. >> I know, but maybe they just were bad. artists and they just couldn't like. >> Oh my god. Bro, it just doesn't end. But.

my explanation to how pyramids were made. would be like some type of pulley. situation where it's like. >> they get elephants put some big ropes on. it. >> The precision of a pyramid. Do you. understand? >> I know that's the I don't understand how. it lines up with. >> perfectly. >> with the stars. Do you guys know the. poles that were found in the ground? Oh. my gosh. That were And how weird that no. one talks about it again. >> What were the poles about? >> It's like something that's not the pole. the pyramid. holes.

>> It says Nicola Tesla believed the. Egyptian pyramids were ancient energy. devices, not tombs, built to harness and. transmit power using the Earth's natural. electromagnetic fields. >> Okay. And then him, how they killed his. ass and took all of his trunk of recipes. for science stuff. So they discovered. just this last year, they discovered all. of these huge poles that are living. underneath the pyramids that they never. knew about and no one can understand.

These are. kilometers underneath the ground. >> How would they know to even do that? >> I mean, they were smart clearly if. you're building a pyramid. >> Do you know what this would take to do? I know, but I just. >> All these hidden structures, hidden. structures beneath the Great Pyramid of. Giza. No one knew this until this last. year. What? How would they have the. technology? How do they have the They. didn't have tools to dig that kilometers.

into the ground. >> That is crazy. But I think that they had. like thousands of people working at the. same time. >> It was a different time. >> Vertically aligned. They're perfectly. aligned. This is like. not even possible. So, what's your. explanation? >> It's not man-made or the giants helped. >> You think they just carry rocks on their. shoulder like, "All right.". >> Yes. Okay. Love you, Rob. [laughter]. >> Rob is just listening. >> Dare I ask your theory on mermaids?

>> Mermaids? There's no Let's not start. >> No. >> You believe that they're real humans. living underwater? Is that what you're. trying to say? >> Sure. >> There's no way that you believe that. That's insane. >> It is. >> I mean, we would find that. We would. I. mean, >> no, we wouldn't. We just I read last. week, oh, two new species of sharks have. been discovered. Like, >> what? >> Yeah, cuz they say we only know like. what. >> 80 No, 81% of our waters is unchartered. >> Yeah, that's crazy. >> We don't know. >> That's crazy.

>> So, why is why Here's my thing. I come from a place of anything's. possible. You come from a place of. nothing's possible. So, >> yes. Are there aliens? Anything's. possible. If we're here, are there. mermaids? Anything's possible. If I'm. here, >> I just need to see some evidence. >> Robots do drive you. There's driverless. cars. >> It's crazy. It's crazy. >> 50 years ago, if I told you, no, you're. going to have a car with no driver, but.

it's going to get you from A to Z. You'd. be like, off. >> Yeah, that that that is insane. I'm not. going to lie. self-driving cars. Even. even what cell phones do right now, it's. like kind of insane. >> Like if someone asked me from if I went. to the past and someone was like if I. had to prove I was from the future. >> and someone was like if I'm like you. know you can use a phone and it will. call people and they're going to be like. how does it work? >> It doesn't make any sense. >> I don't know how to explain to someone. how a cell phone works.

>> Me neither. That's. >> I really don't. >> So I would sound crazy. I think the same. thing goes for I don't know how to. explain how aliens and mermaids exist, but I think they do. >> It's a good perspective. That is a good. perspective. But uh. >> or there's a possibility they can is my. point. Like why be so like no that's. that's not possible. >> I the idea of aliens just seems like. something just so crazy that I don't.

know. I would have to see it to believe. it. >> Okay. So you believe on life on other. planets, right? >> Yeah. >> Like do you think they're building like. a it's like actual life? >> No. No. I don't know exactly to what. degree. I believe I just believe there's. so many solar systems. There's so many. different galaxies that we just we. thought it was what our nine planets. orbiting the sun and that was it. Then. we discovered black hole after black. hole and it takes you into different.

galaxies yada yada. And then that. there's different solar systems. Who's. to say there's not life on another. planet? I'm just saying who's to say? >> I would say this. Do I believe it? No. If if it happened to come out that it. was true, I would not be just stunned. So I'll say that like I'd be like, "Oh, okay. I. >> So we're slowly breaking down the wall.". >> See how you could think like that, but I. just don't believe it because I haven't. seen it. >> It's like It's like humans flying. Like. if if you told me a human's going to.

fly, I would say no way. Now, if it. happened, I'll be like, "Holy smoke, this is insane.". >> I don't think we can fly. >> No, but if it eventually happened, let's. say. >> like with. going to adapt to flying, >> right? Yeah, that one is crazy. >> So far, you don't believe in one thing I. believe in. Do you know who Bigfoot is? >> Of course. >> Oh, I don't know. You don't know head, shoulders, knees, and toes. [laughter]. >> What are your thoughts on Bigfoot? >> Fake, obviously. But why? Why can't he. be real? >> I mean, what is this? It's like It's.

like a big bear looking thing. >> What if What if you're telling me. someone just made up one day there's. this big hairy thing in the. >> That's literally what they did. >> And then it just Do you know what the. Lochness monster is? >> Yes. >> Do you believe in that? >> No. >> I believe in all of that. >> Do you believe in unicorns? >> Obviously. >> Really? >> I mean, I would like to. That's the only. one that I don't really think is real, but I in my head want to fantasize. In. real life, I don't believe it's real, but I do wish that one was real. >> To me, that's what all these are.

Barefoot. >> fantasies. >> Bigfoot, whatever his name is. >> Yeah, it's all it's all made up stories. >> No, I think Bigfoot is real. >> Yeah. I mean, >> I do. >> But don't you think somebody would have. caught a picture? I think in this time. with. >> how many people on Earth, 8 billion. people, >> you don't think And there's that many. cell phones. >> You don't think one person would catch. one good picture of it? I seen what you. did on on [laughter] your show. >> What? dressed up as a as a. >> Oh, the bear. >> Yeah. >> But just like what if there's only three.

left in the entire world and they're in. hiding. >> and nobody's going to see it? >> And what if the other animals are like, "Okay, it's now time.". >> Oh my god. >> Do you think animals can communicate. with each other? >> Yeah. Between each other like I mean. like a dog and a dog probably. >> Yeah. Oh, I think all animals know how. to communicate with each other. >> Oh my god. >> Like a lion and like a sheep. >> Really? They communicate via animal. language, whether it be telepathically. or. >> I don't know, energetically. >> Do you really believe that? >> Yes.

>> Why are humans the only one? I dogs, you. can teach them commands. I definitely. think they understand so much more than. what we give them credit for. I also know it's scientifically proven. that plants and trees when you play them. music, they grow more. Like it's all. energetically done. The music is through. different hertz and it's energetically. what you can receive. >> But animals lack like logic, right? They. can't reason.

>> Maybe. >> like they don't understand why they like. this over that. >> But maybe they're like that's a trap. Let me avoid that. They're smart. I. >> I think it's just thought. >> Okay. But maybe. >> like they can't really explain to you. why this would be. >> Well, they can't explain anything to us, >> right? But they don't I don't think they. have the ability to reason, right? Like do you think they understand. why they make certain decisions or do. you think it's just don't do that? >> I think a lot of things are innate and.

they're wild animals. So they do things. out of like literally innately. It's. just like how they were born. But. there's been many times that you hear. situations where a human either gets. lost in the jungle and a pack of wolves. literally protects that baby or monkeys. I've seen. >> or you've seen a monkey fallen in a cage. at the zoo and the mommy monkey protects. the baby until someone comes and get it. >> I think innately they're like, "Okay, I.

want to protect this being." I don't. [snorts] know why even though it's. different than me. Or they can I read. something about the lions in Africa with. a baby and it protected. this child and then all they finally. found the kid and it was surrounded by. like a circle of lions like some cuz. they know like okay that's like a little. kid. I'm not saying that's going to. happen every time. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> But there are some cases that I do think. >> animals. >> animals can. >> either sense a situation or they.

>> some have more understanding than. others. I don't know. But I don't think. they're just all. >> I think they could sense a situation. >> like brain dead and nothing's happening. >> Like I know dogs can like if you're sick. a dog will like. >> for sure. >> console you like a little bit like just. be beside you the whole time. Like I. remember my dad was like something was. wrong with his foot and the dog would. just stay by that foot the whole time. They like lick the foot. >> They It's energetically they sense. things. They're so much smarter. I'm not. saying they sit there and have. full-blown conversations with one. another, but they definitely have.

something. You think they could like. communicate something to to each other? >> Yes, for a fact. >> I mean, >> like I'm I'm the leader of the pact. We're all going to respect it. Like. they're so smart. >> No, they're the animals are super smart. But I don't think they could reason. Like I don't think like for example, like if a dog walked up to a fire, it. would obviously get burnt and it would. learn that to walk near a fire, you're. going to get burnt. Whereas a human, we. know we're going to get burned, but we. could still walk in the fire. I don't.

think a dog can reason like that. Does. that make sense? Like if I see a fire, a. human knows not to go near the fire. But. we can make the decision to actually go. in the fire if we wanted to. Obviously, we wouldn't, but if we. >> think a wolf can do the same thing. It. goes up to it. It senses that it's. really hot. I'm not going to go in it. But if it needed to jump through a ring. of fire, >> I don't know if it would. I don't know. if it would. Maybe, but I don't think it. would. >> Have you seen Dancing with Wolves? >> No. It's a a movie. >> It's an old movie.

So, have you like ever seen a ghost or. felt? >> I don't believe in ghosts. >> I believe in like spirits. >> What's. >> I don't believe in ghosts. >> The difference. >> I don't think I think a ghost is. something that people created that's. like like you see something moving like. you could see like. >> So, what's a spirit? >> A spirit is a feeling like you could. feel somebody's spirit. >> Okay. Have you had an encounter with a. spirit? Um, not in my lifetime though.

Like I haven't really had, knock on. wood, like too many people like pass. away in my life where. >> That's good. >> Right. At least people that I'm like. super close with. >> That's great. But you. >> So when I tell you all the stories that. I have with ghosts and spirits, you just. think I'm a lunatic. >> Yeah. Remember when we were working out, you thought that moved? The weight moved. >> and it did. >> There's no way. >> it did. It was probably one of us that. did it with some we weren't even. thinking about it. [sighs].

>> But I Yeah. You believe in ghosts? >> One zillion%. >> Didn't you say there was a ghost in your. like a a child or something in your. >> at the rental house? She rubbed my hair. >> There's no way. >> she did. It was the scariest thing. I. never slept with the light off ever. since. >> What? So what happened in that. situation? >> I was sleeping. It was at that rental. house that I still had in the oaks and. there was like a hallway that like from. TR's room to my room and it was a little. narrow hallway. It was out of wood so I.

could hear footsteps and you could hear. the difference between a child's. footsteps and an adult footsteps. >> and but TR was still in a crib and she's. never got out of her crib. So I heard. someone walking down and I was like. true. And then I looked at the monitor. and she was still asleep. So I was like. that's weird. So, I just laid back down. and I it was like the middle of the. night and I shut my eyes and then I felt. something do this. >> and rubbed. her fingers from the top and I could. feel it was a small hand and rubbed my.

head and I remember closing my eyes. going, "Please don't be there. Please. don't be there. Please don't be there.". I opened my eyes. Nothing was there. I. was so freaked out and then I remember. being like hello and looking around. It. was Alexa, how many things happened with. the little girl at that house? >> I know. A lot. A lot. >> They were there. >> Jacuzzi. >> The jacuzzi was completely drained with. a Barbie doll at the very bottom of the. jacuzzi. Like murder. >> It was probably like somebody that threw. it in there just wasn't even thinking.

>> Where'd the water go? >> Andrew's bathing suit went missing. >> Yes. She wanted. >> There's no way you guys believe this. Do. you believe this? Even at this house, how many encounters have happened at. this house? Terl as a witness. >> really. >> and that's different person and a. different home. >> So I'm going show you how our mind plays. tricks on us. Like I had a similar story. where like when I would go to sleep, this is maybe like as early as like a. year and a half ago. I would go to sleep. at night. I would hear walking like on.

the roof. >> That's cuz someone's on the roof. >> No. So look, I'm thinking, okay, what. the hell is up there? There's a raccoon. or something up there. I didn't know. what the hell. I wasn't thinking ghost. The pest control guy came. I said, "There's definitely something up there. You got to look. I don't know. >> It's not something the pest control can. get.". >> No, but hear me out. So he So he goes up. there. He's like, "There's nothing here. I blocked out everything. I don't see. any signs of like raccoons or like rats. or anything." Like, "Okay, what the. hell?" So I go back to sleep. Maybe like. a week later again. The walking happens. I'm like, "What the hell?" So I go on. the camera and this is maybe like at.

6:00 a.m. >> You have a camera on the roof? >> No. No. I go on the cameras just to see. is there like somebody like on the roof. or I'm just trying to see. And you know. what? I see a a a reflection, a shadow. of aing bird, a huge bird that was like just walking. on the roof and it would just for some. reason it was like a black hawk that. would. >> those footsteps made you think there was. a human up there. >> I'm saying that it was they were so. heavy. I couldn't believe that that is. the sound that I would hear. >> So, >> but that's how crazy our brains. I would.

have thought it was a like if I didn't. do that, I'm thinking it's a ghost up. there. >> Okay, so that's your encounter. mine. have been. Have you ever felt a human. sit on the edge of your bed while your. eyes are shut? You feel when the. mattress caves in a little and then you. wake up, you open your eyes and. nothing's there. Like it's. >> that's trippy. >> But have you had that? >> No. >> What? I think also if you're open to. receiving it will happen. Like. >> that too. >> And I think you're so against receiving.

any of this stuff that like you're not. going to get any sign you get. You're. going to rationalize it. >> for sure. >> Right. >> Like if I don't believe in ghosts, a. ghost can't like haunt me or like. >> Well, nothing can haunt me because I. don't give it power to haunt me. >> Right. But I won't even. >> Right. It's not even a belief. My house. there's definite. >> Like the other night, literally last. week, True was asleep in my bed and I. was like, I still wanted to watch TV and. my TV was off and if I turned it back. on, it would have been too bright. So I. sat in my little sitting area and I was.

watching TV on my phone. And I was just. sitting in there and it's like my little. desk, a gust of wind went by my head and. I remember going, "No, no, no." I said. literally, "No, no, no. I can't do this. right now.". >> And then I slowly looked around just to. be like, "What?" It was, you know, when. someone walks by you and you feel a gust. of wind. It was that feeling. So I was. like, and I slowly looked around and. then I go, "True.". And then no one was there. I opened my.

door. She's still asleep. And I was. like, then I went back, I said a prayer, and then I watched my. show again. It happened again. And I. remember going, "Okay, I'm going to go. to bed now." And I just went and I was. like, "Oh, what is in here?" It was so. distinct of something walking by me, the. gust of wind. There's no explanation. >> Were you high? >> No, I wasn't. >> Maybe the AC just turned on or. something. >> No, cuz I even looked I looked around. and I was like, "Where's the vents? The. vents aren't there." And it's not like a.

surge of wind, >> right? >> It was so eerie. And I normally I'll. feel something, but I'm like, "Oh, it's. a good feeling." This was like I don't. know if I just It wasn't negative, but. it wasn't a great feeling. >> I just didn't like it. >> So, I literally said a prayer and I was. like, "I'm okay. I'm going to bed. You. have fun out here." And you know, >> I think it's cuz you believe in this. stuff that this. >> or I believe in anything. >> I know that's the problem. See, I don't. believe in this stuff. So, if I feel a. gust of wind, I'll just be like, "Oh, the AC turned on. I'm going back to.

>> at 1:00 in the morning when the house is. crickets. You wouldn't find that to be. suspicious. >> It's definitely happened to me something. like that in my lifetime, but I feel. like it's just like. >> I don't know. It's in your head or. something. You might be in a dream. >> No, I was awake. I was watching I think. Real Housewives on my phone. I was like. very awake. Well, Sez, I can do this for. hours and hours with you. Number one, I. am so honored that I am your first. podcast. Stop it. I'm honored.

>> I am. For like the rest of your life, you're going to remember me. [laughter]. You will. And this was fun. I have so. many more to. >> We got to do this again. >> do with you. >> But I think we need to get into more. depth. I need to like have videos that. will explain it more to you cuz I'm not. good at explaining these things cuz I'm. in such rabbit holes with them. >> Watch the comment section just destroy. us like, "Oh, they don't know what. they're talking about." Oh, I'm I don't. have a clue what I'm talking about at.

all. But this is the fun. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. >> It's just about bantering. And I also. think today people get so afraid to. talk, >> but like that's the point. You just. loosely haveing conversation and you. learn about things or you don't. >> It's not that deep. >> I agree. It's not that serious. >> It's not that serious. But thank you for. being on Chloe and Wonderland. That's. >> It was an honor. This is amazing. And. it's a beautiful room. >> Thank you.