Khloé in Wonder Land ft. Tristan Thompson

I think I'm going to get a lot of for. this podcast, but I'm ready for it. >> Have a good show. >> Have a good show. Don't hit my diamonds. >> What I'm doing right now is pivoting. into AI and tech. Imagine now using. autonomous drones, machines. >> Autonomous? Where do you get these words. from? >> Never had such a scholar on this podcast. before. We're in a totally different phase. And.

I think when [music] you said that. comment, you mean like the person that. you know now. Like there's just a. different level of respect. Tristan and. I don't like hang out if it's not with. the kids. >> I mean you did come over for hookah. >> One time in five years, you're going to. throw that in my face? Some of your answers are insane, like. long-winded and I don't even know what. we're talking about. >> I'm long-winded? >> Do you want to have more kids in the. future? >> Sometimes you got to lay them nuts on. the table. >> What?

Okay, Tristan. >> I mean I think the narrative. >> Okay. >> She's cutting me off like your long. answers to everything and I can't give. my long answers like this. >> No, no, go ahead. We have all the time in the world. I think I'm going to get a lot of for. this podcast, but I'm ready for it. >> I don't think people realize that five.

years have gone by since you and I have. broken up, but I don't think people. realize how much time has gone on and. how much life has happened and that you. and I have worked hard to get to the. place where we are now that I'm inviting. you on the pod and you're agreeing and. we're just going to sit and have a. chit-chat. Would you agree? >> Yeah, I mean a lot of life has passed. I. think. it's beautiful. that. you uh want to bring this to life and us. us have a conversation at the end of the.

day, you know, we are friends first and foremost and we. have two beautiful children together. So, I think it's um. it's healthy for people to see. two parents that aren't romantically. involved still have a. a positive dynamic and are in a good. place. >> I couldn't agree more and I I think I. had such a great example with my parents. and seeing even if there was fighting. cuz I'm sure there was, but I don't.

remember any of that. I don't think I. was privy to that and seeing my stepdad. and my dad spend time together and. everything just seemed so fluid. I think. that's why I've always been so adamant. about the kids won't see us fight. I. want you to be as active as and present. as you want to be in their lives and I. don't ever want to be the reason when my. kids get older and they say, "Why wasn't. daddy around?" And then. it would be me. Like I'm so proud of. both of us, but really proud of myself. that whatever adult drama we have, I.

keep it to the adults and we handle it. privately and as responsibly as. possible. We know it's all about the. kids and letting them have the best. childhood and memories and I think we've. done a really good job, but also being. true to ourselves. Like if we are mad at. each other, we have our conversations. The kids aren't involved. >> Yeah, I think the most important thing. with with having children is about. always conducting self with respect. around. the mother and the father cuz kids hear. everything, they remember everything.

And um I think we do a good job at that. Um I think like any humans you're going. to have your disagreements and you're. going to bump heads, but I think we do a. good job. keeping that private away from the kids. and I think. we have matured enough over the 5 years. where I think maybe earlier, you know, those arguments might have. been a little bit more emotionally. based. And I think now it's more so. just wanting the best. for our for our for our tribe and and. our little ones. >> Are you nervous to be on the pod?

>> No, not at all. >> You. feel like. you haven't done a lot of podcasts until. like what, the last year or so? >> I wasn't really for jumping on a lot of. podcasts because. at the time I knew what the narrative. was going to shift to. and what people were going to talk. about. And I think understanding how podcasts. and this is the the new form of media, to be quite frank with you, I just. didn't want people to monetize my story. >> Mhm. >> Because at the end of the day, if it's.

going to be my story, I might as well. monetize the best out of it. I mean, I. think your family's a clear example of. you know, telling your own narrative, controlling your own narrative and story. because who is it on someone else? Because at the end of the day, if. someone else is writing your own book, it's never going to be as accurate. So, for me it was always about just like. waiting till the time was right. Um yes, I've done a couple podcasts, but I think. they're more not. cultural and like family relationship. based. You know, the last one I was on.

>> And more career forward. >> More career forward, more um in that. lane of what's what's next, the. evolution of of myself. But of course, um you know, you asked me to come on. here and I'm, you know, more than. welcome to do that and. very proud of you for your second season. and. you've done a great job and you got some. really good badass guests. So, I said, why not add myself to the to the Chloe. Chloe in Wonderland wall of fame. >> Well, I thank you. >> Curious, are you nervous? >> No. >> Okay. >> I'm not nervous at all. I think I want to make sure I do a good.

job of addressing everything, but still, you know, not dwelling on things that. you and I don't really dwell about cuz. we've done healing and moved past them. >> No, no, it's funny because even when I I. was telling a couple people that I was. jumping on the podcast, obviously people. that are not in our inner circle uh. that see us every day, they're like, "Oh, wow, really?" And I'm like, "Guys, it's been like 5 years and counting.". And at the end of the day, I always tell. people it's like. that's my family, right? And we're going. to be family regardless whether you like.

me one day or you don't, we're still. going to be family. >> Oh, and that happens. >> Of course. I mean. >> There's days that I'm like, "Tristan, I. hate you. You're not talking to me for. the rest of the week." And then I hang. up on him and we don't talk and then. you know, Tristan and I will get in into. it. >> Well, I think that's just family in. general, you know? Sometimes you get me. riled up. So, sometimes we just need to. like a breathing session, but that's. family. There's moments and times where. I'm sure you can't stand your siblings. and. there's definitely moments and times. where sometimes I can't stand my.

siblings. So, I mean, that's just. family. It's what family goes through. and I think um here we are. >> Speaking of family, why don't you tell. people a little bit about yours? How. many siblings do you have? Like lay it. out for people. >> Well, I'm the oldest of four. You have. myself, Deshawn, Daniel, and Amari. Me. and Deshawn are 3 years apart in age. Or. might correct, 4 years cuz I just turned. 35. I'm getting old. Daniel is 20, going. on to 21, and Amari's 19. Daniel and.

Deshawn live in Toronto still. That's. where I'm from, born and raised. Shout. out to six. And then uh Amari uh the youngest, he. lives here. with us, I would say, uh here in. Southern California. Obviously, once my. mom passed away, I took on that. responsibility, which was very important. to me. And not just myself, I think our. whole tribe. When I say tribe, it's it. extends from not just me and you, it. goes, you know, obviously our amazing uh. you know, caregivers, Alba and Noel, but. also you know, Sevaz, your mom, your.

sisters, you know, our our housekeepers, everyone that's. everyone that's part of this this world. of ours that has their hands uh to help. however they can to whether it's a small. lift or a heavy lift, everyone's a part. of this. To be honest, I know a lot of people when they go. through grief and tough times, people will send you a text, people will show up for a funeral, but then they disappear, right? And it's. really about who are the ones that stick.

with you during these times, that still. have your back, and always not just text. you that they're willing to offer help. or. grace, but actually show with their. actions. And I think um a lot of people. uh. for me, I I give a lot of flowers to not. just you, but everyone that's been part. of this. >> Well, thank you. Tristan's brother Amari. has a syndrome called LGS, and it's. something it's a chromosome disorder. He. was born that way. Um Tristan's mom was.

a single mother, and Tristan's mom, Andrea, Andrea was the sole provider and. caretaker for Amari. And so, when Andrea. died suddenly, she died of a heart. attack, and suddenly out of the blue, Amari was left without a caretaker. And. so, Tristan, because Tristan always. lived in the United States for playing. in the NBA, they all lived in Toronto. And when we were there.

handling stuff for your mom's passing. and the funeral, it was in that moment. that you were like, "Well, Amari's. coming home with us." Like, it wasn't. even a thought. And we. were blessed enough that Kim. had her plane, and we were able to. transfer Amari back, and figure it all. out really quickly. And yes, like you. said, we needed all the help we can get. because Tristan is going through this. grieving process of losing his mother. suddenly. There's so many unexpected.

things, and then having to then figure. out what how how we become responsible. for Amari. So, at that I don't even. think Tristan and I were actually really. even talking very much. And of course, when something horrible and horrific. happens, like the loss of a parent, we. put all of our BS aside and. we just as my family, that's what we do. We stick together and we help one. another. >> Yeah, that's what family does. I mean, very I mean, obviously it's not the. same, but I mean, even when you went.

when you went through your surgery, but. it was with two mirrors or something. >> Mhm. >> Right? And you know, obviously it's not. the same level, but everyone was there. for you. That's what family's about, right? It's not It's not just. conditional, it's unconditional, right? So, like you said, we might not have. been speaking or we might have been. speaking very vaguely, uh but. you know, family always step up during. times of need. >> Yeah, or they should. >> You hope. >> They really should. >> Mhm. >> How has it been with that transition of. taking care of Amari for you?

>> Um. >> Cuz I also want to point out Tristan. moved to America at a very young age. because he was and is the sole financial. provider for his family. >> I moved to the States when I was 16. I. was begging my mom. probably since the age of 13 to want to. move to the United States cuz the. reality was I knew that. basketball was going to be our way. to having as close to enough to. financial freedom as possible we might. have or be able to achieve. So, I said I.

remember I used to write in notes to my. mom and letters to like why I needed to. go play in the United States. Uh cuz the. reality at the time, you know, Canadian. basketball wasn't that great. Uh you know, imagine being in eighth. grade playing with guys that are. sophomores and juniors and competing. with them. It's just your window of. growth is so small. Um so, it wasn't. really until I started to play really. more travel ball and travel to the. States a lot, my mom seeing when going. to these tournaments. how much attention and love I I getting.

from, you know, coaches and scouts in the states, where. she knew that this could actually be a. a real career path. And for me, I. decided, you know, I'm I'm willing to. sacrifice my teenage years of, you know, whether it's going to prom or going to. movies or just like just being a. teenager, right? And I said, you know, I'd rather sacrifice that because I'm. playing for a bigger goal. Our goal. is to like tell your parents, you know, like, you don't have to work again. Retire your parents. I think that's the. one of the most rewarding gifts you can. give because our parents sacrificed so.

much and even so much more behind the. scenes that we don't even see. So, being able to give that gift, uh. that was always my goal. I remember I. was a kid that used to. put on post-it notes where my goals were. and I used to put them on my mirror in. my bathroom. And I remember, you know, it said, "Be number one player in the. country in high school. Become a. McDonald's All-American." Which in that. time, you're basically the top 24 high. school players. Uh so, that's a prestigious thing. You. know, Michael Jordan, all the greats. were part of that game. Uh go to high. Division I college. Uh and make the NBA. And, you know,

>> And did you do any of those things? >> I I I achieved every single. goal of mine on that note. But then I, you know, it's crazy when we're kids, you know, little things like that, we. might think it means nothing. But it's. like you're manifesting it, right? Think. about it. In the morning, when you're. brushing your teeth, you're seeing it. It's crazy now at the age of 34, now 35, I've kind of got back to those kid roots. now where I have a whiteboard in my. office and I write down my goals. And I. think um I remember you mentioned it a. couple New Year's Eves ago, uh.

mood board, right? You know, manifesting. I think you're you're a big. believer of that. Uh and, you know, we. had that as children. And now I'm. bringing it back now to my adult years. And I feel like it's working. >> I love that. It is. And it's writing. your thoughts out, writing that it's. your believing it. And you have to do it. from a perspective that you're not. saying one day. Like you have to believe. it's happening now. And you saying one. of your kids' goals is to retire their. parents. What did your mom do as a. career and were you able to retire your.

mother? >> My mom having me at 21, very young, um really didn't have the the means and. and and. the the the living setup situation to. really take care of me on her own with. my dad at the time. Um so my grandma. raised me. The reason why I write. left-handed is cuz my my grandma I spent. a lot of time with them my first 3 to 4. years until my mom was. able to financially, you know, take over and have me, you. know, for a full-time. uh. full-time routine.

Um but you know, I think that's part of. where I get this hard work. You know, I. remember my mom having three jobs, bagging groceries, being a school bus. driver, and babysitting kids. And I think that work ethic kind of uh. that DNA. is it fell into my my my my soul and. spirit as well. I mean, if you look at. my career, the way that I play the game. is always been the guy that's punched. the clock in and done all the the little. things that might not show up on the box. score, but it's what takes to win. And you know, I learned that from my mom. that hard work always beats talent when.

talent doesn't work hard. So I think um. I'm very very uh fortunate to learn a. lot from her. Grew up in government. housing. When you're young, you think. that's like great living. And I remember. talking to my my friend Rell and I used. to remember like. on the weekends I'd go to my cousin's. house a lot. And I remember like starting to replay. like the areas they lived in. I said, "Man, I had an apartment on like. the 14th floor with the head homes.". And then my buddy Rell was like, "Yeah, they're probably their parents are. probably doing pretty well." And when.

you're a kid, you don't notice the. difference. You're so numb to that. stuff. But then as you start to replay. it, you know, you realize like my. parents worked tooth and nail to provide. for us. And um those same sacrifices I wanted. to, you know, pay pay it back, pay it. forward. >> And were you able to? >> Yeah. I remember. uh. June 26, 2011. in Newark, New Jersey, Prudential. Center, uh getting drafted, number four pick. overall, shaking David Stern's hand.

Um. that was one of the greatest feelings in. my life. Um. being able to just look at my mom and. you know, the the ESPN camera panning to. her and. you know, showing her love and talking. about her story and how it meant a lot. to me was a great feeling. But that was just the beginning. >> And was she retired that day on? >> Wow. That moment she never she never. drove a school bus again, never bagged a. grocery, never babysit. Never had to do all that. And and the. reason why I wanted her to just focus on.

Amari, right? That's a lot. I remember. she used to bring Amari on the school. bus and have to do all that. And and. that was that's a lot. That's a lot for. anyone. That's the the the physical uh. the battle and and and everything, right? It's just it's just tough on a. parent. And especially like I always. judge I always tell people like you. know, you judge someone based on how. they treat their family and how they. take care of your mom. >> You guys know how much I love the art of. gift giving. I always still love sending. a candle or a beautiful bouquet. Those. gifts are classics for a reason. But.

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of want a snack. And where is your dad in all of this? >> My dad growing up, he was around. He was. a construction. uh worker, so he'd be up at 6:00, you. know, doing construction work, and then he. pivoted to doing uh truck driving, and. you know, I still tell people I remember. my dad one time, he drove from Toronto, Canada, to Miami, Florida, in less than. 24 hours. So, that was pretty. impressive. But, I think also like.

I give him a lot of credit, too, because. he was a hard worker. I just I think I. just grew up in a house with just hard. working individuals and he had great. human beings. Um maybe some of them. misunderstood and maybe you know, we're. not all perfect. Um could could my. upbringing be better? Yes. Do I wish. my parents had a better dynamic? Totally. Do I wish my dad was maybe more. involved or. maybe better to my mom? Totally, but. you know, that's life, right? Nothing can be. perfect and it's just about how can.

the kids the next generation be better. >> When it comes to. Amari, something that even actually for. all of my nieces and nephews including. my own kids, I. love that we have Amari for so many. reasons. When your mom was here, obviously we saw Amari, but it would be. so seldomly. Especially the cousins, not. all of them got to see him frequently. Now that we have Amari full-time, I'm so.

happy that they get to be exposed. to someone as special as Amari is and I. feel like they get to ask all those. questions privately that maybe they. wouldn't either know how to act or. like we were at True's birthday party. and Amari was there and a little girl. came up to me and said, "Why isn't he talking?" And I said, "Oh, he can't talk." And she's like four. >> Mhm. >> And she goes, "Did Ursula take his. voice?". >> Mhm, I remember hearing that. >> And I said, "Who's Ursula?" Like I'm.

like, "What are you talking about?". She's like, "Like Ariel." And I was. like, "Oh my gosh, that is the cutest.". Like. the way that child connected the dots. I. thought it was so innocent, so pure. I'm. not offended. I love that people ask and. even are curious about Amari, but those. questions I think if you're in the real. world or to a stranger, someone might be. offended. Like I love the exposure the. kids get. I love hopefully the empathy. and understanding that they get to take. away from being around Amari. Losing.

your mom, has it made you show up as a. parent in a different way? Like, do you think if your mom was here, do you think you would be a different. type of parent? >> I don't think I'd be a different parent. I think losing my mom. made me realize. that I think this is the first thing. I. think. you're never going to cry. or be as sad as the way you're going to. feel when you lose lose a mother.

And I remember getting that advice from. a barber in Miami one time. Crazy. enough, when my mom did pass, I remember. his voice replaying in my brain saying, "You're never going to cry until your. mom passes away." But, I think for me, I. realized that, you know, I think I. dedicated my life so much to just make. her proud and make her happy. And, you know, losing her, I realized. that at some point in time, you got to. pivot and like, you got to make yourself. happy first, right? Like, you got to. love yourself from within. And, I think. sometimes in our world, we spend so much. time giving energy to things that don't.

really matter and forgetting like it all. starts with us. Like, I can't help you. if I can't help myself. I can't help my. kids if I can't help myself. So, I think. that's the biggest takeaway from it all. this is like, learn to love myself and. just being there for myself and making. myself happy. But, I will say during. that grieving process, I think I poured. more into into my kids because that was. the one area where I knew I had like. that love that was just. >> unconditional. >> Unconditional, but it was more like you. were just like, you're the Superman, you're the superhero. And, even if.

you're going through. a bad even if you're having a bad day, the kids will want to go on the. trampoline or go bike riding or get ice. cream. Like, >> Our children are very healing because. they are so innocent and pure. And, you. also look at them and then you it just. puts life into perspective, especially. during a loss. >> Mhm. >> So, I understand that. >> Yeah, it's just like you just pour into. them more and I always tell people they. they they helped me get out of that dark. hole. The kids, I think not only just. our the children we share and and my.

oldest, but also like, you know, the. cousins. You know, nieces and nephews. that I have. I think that whole. that whole little young bunch. >> Uh-huh. >> of of of of brilliant young. creative minds. uh helped me a lot. >> They do and I mean people always wonder. why I want to be with the kids all the. time. I'm like why would I not? They're. the best. And True looks so much like. your mom. >> No, she does. That's why when I look at. True I remember um. remember at the at the school they used.

to do like the kindergarten recitals and. used to sing at the end like last day of. school. >> Uh-huh. >> Yeah, like I remember just looking at. her one time and just like. kid you not just like seeing my mom's. face. And I remember like shedding a. tear just because it's like they. resemble each other so much and they. have so many like their their their. characteristics in terms of like being. able to feel and. being empathetic and just being just. like their heart is so like just it's. just like a crystal ball. It's just so. pure and amazing and you just cannot. just love on them. >> Like for co-parenting, did did you.

expect our co-parenting to go the way. that it goes? >> What was my expectations going into. co-parenting with you? >> I guess. >> Yeah, the fact that you were brought up. in a household where co-parenting was. part of your guys everyday life. I think I never ever crossed my mind. whether or not it was going to be able. to work. I think it was going to be more. so can we come to a place of maturity. where emotionally we don't get. frustrated because of maybe our.

relationship not working or being where. we're at. you know, where we would probably want. to be or maybe should have been in our. personal relationship. Um that was probably only the one area. where you you wonder like how's this. going to look? But I always knew it would work because. you grew It's not It's not foreign to. you. Obviously it's new for me. But I I feel like, you know, I'm I'm a. a chameleon and you're such a, you know, chill person. So, I I was never worried. about the co-parenting part um cuz I. think it's, you know, you're around it. >> I always am like, "Why is Tristan.

around?" Like, that's always a question. I see, which I find so insane because. I'm like, "Well, Tristan is the father. of my kids and Tristan will be around as. long as, you know, you want you want to. be around and you want to be present in. your kids' lives. If I don't have to do. two separate birthday parties and two. this, I don't want to. That's not the. way it should be." So, and also. I do think people forget 5 years have. gone by since we broken up. You and I. have dealt with a lot of really personal. things during those 5 years. You've had.

the loss of your mother. I think the. loss of any parent is the most It's the. most transformative and horrible. experience to ever go through. Also, the. care of your brother. That's like one of. the most serious responsibilities. And having to go through that, I think. that when you and I were together, you. probably. obviously, you just thought, "Oh, I. don't know what you thought." I'm going. to say what I think you thought. When. you and I were together, it's like, "Oh,

this is great, but I got this. This girl. is here. You can do whatever you want.". I think after the true cheating, when I. stayed, I'm sure that let you even. subconsciously think, "Oh, I can do this. again. She'll stay again and again." Who. knows? I'm giving you what I'm thinking. Then. when you and I really broke up, you and I definitely weren't talking for. a little bit, but then with the loss of. your mother and all these things, I. think you started to see me in a. different light. You started to see me. in like, "Wow, she's really there for me and.

she's there for me when she doesn't have. to be." And we started to connect on. very serious matters, whether it be, you. know, grief and death or now we have to. communicate for the care of Amari, and. how do we do so? And still co-parent. And I think it just. made you see me in a different light, and we became really good friends, and. now we lean on each other in a. friendship way. You're a great dad. I love how much time. you want to spend with your kids. I. never want to take that away from my.

children, cuz they, of course, love you. You're their father. And I think you and. I have grown. to have this different level of respect, and we just have a totally different. relationship than we did when we were. dating. Like I saw you did a podcast, and you were like, "I would do anything. for Khloe." And I saw a lot of the. comments were like, "Oh, you would do. anything but be faithful." That was one. of them. That bothered me because. yes, you've done dumb but also it was so.

many years ago. I'm not excusing it. I'm. saying we're in a totally different. phase now. And I think when you said. that comment that you would do anything. for me, you mean like the person that. you know now. Like there's just a. different level of respect. I think a. much more mature level of respect. And it's without intimacy, which I think. is also a much. deeper level, because what's keeping us. here is true solid. qualities about one another. There's no. intimacy distracting.

or tainting our thought process here. We. also live in the same community. There's. so many things that. why shouldn't you be around? But I think. as long as you keep your own personal. issues out of it, the. for me, the more the merrier when it. comes to our kids. >> Yeah, no, I think I think this was the. most beautiful thing about this podcast. that we're doing is that we're we are. showing people. that. co-parenting. can work. And I think.

the reason why people ask you that. question. is because other people, or themselves, them and whoever their old or ex. significant others, there's a there's no. there's no sign of respect. I think it. starts with respect. I think the fact. that we both respect each other, that's. the pillar, right? You can't have a good. co-parent relationship if you don't. respect the other person. And you know, when people break up and whether you. have a baby mama or baby daddy, there's. a lot of there's a lot of disrespect. that happens. I think it's whether it's someone is, you know, maybe publicly dating where people think.

it's too early or maybe one might do. something very. disrespectful, maybe like I was making. it up, like talk on social media bad. about someone, right? Like it all stems. from like disrespect. And I think more. people are used to. co-parents being disrespectful than. actually learning to just be respectful. and loving. and starting from there. I think so the. people that say that is because they. don't see that too often. >> But I also think, like just to keep it. real, you and I can be disrespectful. We. keep that private. But I think cuz it's.

natural to be like get the out or. whatever. >> that's that's that's just anger, right? I think respect is like a deeper level. >> also yes, what I hear is people will be. like, "Why don't you give that same energy to. Tristan?" Listen, I've given you all the. energy, but I'm not going to do it on a. public platform because my kids will see. that one day. You're the only person I. have kids with. So, I can give every. other person public energy all I want. I'm not going to give it to you because. that's just not how my brain works for.

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listen, guys, five like the person we were. the person we were five years ago is. totally different now. We've had real. life. happen to us. Um but we've grown, and I think people. worry about too much of the past, and. like when I mean like people, not us, cuz I think like we've. have had our conversations, you know, of. course. we've. done things we're not proud about. I've. done things I'm not proud of. Anyways, this that and the third, and it. doesn't mean we take it away.

>> You. >> Yes, me, but I yeah, but I'm just saying. there's times where you might have said. something to me that was very. disrespectful. >> proud of all of those things I've said. to you. >> What do you mean? >> The most dirty and disrespectful things. I've said, I do not take back. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> But like I said, we've all done things that might have. accepted ex- uh upset the other side. >> Yep. >> And. >> I'm fine with it. >> And that's fine. >> Mhm. >> You're allowed to feel the way you feel, and I can feel the way I feel. But the. most important thing now is that we are. evolving each and every day. And the.

ones that want to harp on the past, that's for them to keep doing that, and. that's a shame because they're going to. miss out on a great podcast between us. in terms of evolution. >> What? I don't know what that last. sentence is. What I will say is at the. beginning, and like for anyone that cuz people. always say, "How do you get to that. point?" That's a question I get. So, I. will say it's not easy. to get to that point of like real. forgiveness. I would say.

number one for me, it's I do think it. takes one person to just sort of like be. the one that's like, "You know what? I'm. not going to let this bother me." Like. you have to let things go, pick and. choose your battles. Cuz it's really. easy to just be petty and nitpick every. little thing. But one person does have. to be the one that's like, "It's okay. Let's move on. Let's work past this.". I've been going to therapy, and that. helped a lot for me, I think. And also, I like I've discovered during my therapy. journey that I.

have very You're going to laugh at me, but I'm very like emotionally mature. And by saying that, I know you're going. to laugh at me. Like I'm very. emotionally mature, which means like it. is a gift and a curse, but it means that. even when you do something. wrong, I have so much empathy for why. you acted a certain way. Not saying I'm. excusing it. Not saying I'm condoning. it. It's just saying I can understand, "Oh, okay. You're an adult now. This is.

stemming from something to do when you. were a child, how you were treated at. some point. This is not something on me. I'm not deserving of this.". >> Agreed. >> Agreed. Good for you. What I do. appreciate about you is how much you. I would say either trust me or respect. me. Maybe it's both when it comes to. parenting. If I'm picking a school or a. doctor or this, you trust me enough. knowing that always my first goal in.

life is for their protection and their. safety. And you're you're always so good. at like trusting me with that. That. eliminates so much tension. Cuz I do. know a lot of parents, co-parents, are. nitpicky just for the sake of being. nitpicky. >> I think half the time they nitpick is. because they actually like don't like. each other. You know, when you you know. when you don't like someone, you'll find. any reason to be upset with them or any. reason just to be combative just to like. just to like cause a. storm. So, I think the reason why we. don't have that issue parenting is a. bunch of things. I think the way your.

raised you guys and the way I was raised. was very. a throwback old school way, an old. school mentality, which I think we're on. the same line with that. So, that's one. reason why I think it works for us and. I'm and I'm and I always tell people I. don't have to worry about Khloé when it. comes to parenting our children because. it was the way we were brought up was. very similar. You know, Armenian. household, Jamaican household, there's. some traditions and values that were. there that have stuck with our parenting. skills. I think.

you don't let society dictate how you. parent. And for someone, you know, for us as. like celebrities or people of status, sometimes. others that are in our position get kind. of fall into this kind of like sheep. mentality and go with the wave and I. think we're just more shepherds in how. we like to run our house. Not saying the. way we run our house is the right way, but it works for us and that's all that. really matters. >> What is something funny that either of. the kids have done to make you laugh. recently?

>> Mhm. Um I mean, I love when Tatum. calls you like Khloé or like Auntie. Coco. Like Tatum like purposely trolls. you. >> Yeah. >> And it's almost like. >> It's like a like it's like me Rob and. like Tatum like we're just like like to. troll you all the time. Um. He must be like I don't know what they. the sun rising mooning he might be like. a Pisces in one of those things. I don't. know much about that stuff. Um. But yeah, I think uh I love when Tatum.

trolls you. >> Great. >> Um it's very funny and you know that. But also it's like. I think he has a. I obviously wasn't around for your. childhood. Um but I think there's a lot of uh. you and him. So. You I think you like to say it's Rob. But I think like you and Rob are like. twins. So it's like really like you. >> We are not like twins. >> You guys are like twins. You guys have a. lot of similarities. You just you guys. just you know. >> We're similar. >> Very similar. >> But very different.

>> Very similar. If you ask OG Chris. [snorts]. she will say. >> What qualities. do your kids have that remind you of. you? >> Okay. Um. With True the quality that she has. of yours is um. your heart and like caring for other. people and you know True is the type of. person that will. you know give her last jelly bean to a. kid that maybe is hungry or wants to.

snack. Very similar to you. Uh a quality. that True has of me of mine is um you. know she looks like me. You know she has long legs like me. >> She's great at math. >> Great at math like me. Yeah, that was a. strong suit of mine. I never never. enjoyed reading. >> And what about Tatum? >> Tatum. he is his energy. is similar yeah his energy like high. energy. I mean it it makes sense like. when I look at him I'm like no wonder I.

can rebound and play hard for 48 minutes. and not get tired. It's in him. He's. he's he's got that ball of energy. Um. but he has like this sweet side where he. just wants to like grab your face and. kiss you and he's like, "Mommy, come.". And he just holds your face. And then after that, he's like, "Ah, it's time to go run around.". >> Something that I do love and appreciate. you as a father because I'm like this, too, and I didn't realize how much I. should have realized cuz my dad was. always really goofy and like got down. and played with us. He was never too.

like. grown to be with us. My dad was always a. big kid. And you are like that with the. kids and I I love that. Like I think. that's a great quality for anyone to. have is you can buy your kids anything, but they really just want you to get. down and play with them. And when you. play with them or when you're being. silly and dancing with them, like that. means so much to them. I know they might. not see that now, but definitely when. they're older, they will look back cuz. we do. And I'll be like, "Oh, my dad in.

the pool." Then like the things he would. do and he would just do silly dances. And so that's one quality that I love. as a father about you and I think is. really great. And. they love it. >> Yeah, I think it's uh it's those. memories, right? I mean. I never got to share those memories with. my dad. Maybe it was because, you know, he was working long hours. trying to provide for us. I don't know. what the reason maybe he was just not. around to not be around. Um but for me. it was just, you know, like you said, kids remember everything. Um because. even me, I remember like moments that.

are not the greatest. uh that I experienced with my dad, but. you always take it with you. And the. kids never forget. So, uh it's important, but I think it's even. more when you're losing my mom, being able to pour into them, it just doesn't stop, right? It's not. just cuz of me grieving I pour into. them. It just it's a continued thing and. you know, I like to be able to joke. around. And that's one reason why I. wanted to have kids at a young age. because I never wanted to be that. >> to have kids at a young age was planned? >> Well, >> I'm just asking. >> I mean, I knew I always wanted to have. kids at a young age. I don't I mean, how. would. >> Your face looked terrified.

>> No. >> I mean, >> It was just a question. >> Listen, the most important thing is that. I wanted to have my kids at a young age. because I wanted to not to be the old. guy at graduation. I wanted to be the young dad who was. like hip, tapped in, like be able to. play with my kids. >> That wasn't like some gotcha question. >> I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure. >> Do you ever feel uncomfortable at like. the birthday parties or like the family. events? >> Mhm, not as of late. I would say this, I. would say.

um. >> Definitely her first birthday was. horrible. >> Oh, yeah, that first birthday was a. >> That was tragic. >> It was a Yeah, it was a You be You know. what? It was so much. feelings. and like energy behind it. I mean, like. the reality is like think about it cuz. even during that time I was still like. sending you flowers. >> Yeah. >> you cards. So, of course, like I was. trying to like. bring us back together. But obviously,

you know, being at the first birthday of of our of. our daughter. and and having that emotion and still, you know, loving caring about you, of. course, there's going to be a lot of. emotions and sometimes we're not able to. control that. >> It happens. And um. I think it's it's. early cuz I think it's like damn, I wish. I had my family together to do all this. like a family thing. But as time progresses and I realize. like. I think we are in the best place we've. ever been. Even I think we're better now. as like.

our. dynamic like our our our connectivity is. better now than even when we were. together. >> I agree. Who do you think the stricter. parent is? >> I think because the kids spend more time. with you, I think you might be more. strict. Um. >> But I do that intentionally. >> Well, you have to, right? >> I've said to Tristan, because they live. with me full-time, I don't want when. Tristan comes around if he's the strict. parent and then them be like, >> [gasps]. >> "Dad's here." And like. >> bad boss is here. Ba-da-da-da. >> but [clears throat] he's strict or say. something to me but I say let me. discipline because I'm also the really.

fun parent but I don't want them to see. You're fun, too, but you're not there. 24/7. And so I don't want them thinking. like oh, like I never want them scared. of Tristan or and he's also so big. Tristan's 6'10". I just know all of. those things as a kid plays a toll. So I. am the disciplinary but that was done. with intention. >> Yeah. >> And I was thoughtful about that but if. like when they're older, I know. especially Tatum, I know there's going. to be a time that it's probably.

he won't care what I say. Like when he's. a teenager, he'll be like he'll be. afraid of his dad. But for now, I like. being the disciplinary. And I just think. it's. the best way for the kids to still be. like. It's Daddy. >> Yeah. >> All of that jazz. Do you love I know you. love personally about all the cousins? Like for yourself and your. healing. But do you love that these. kids have built in best friends? Do you.

wish they had more outsider friends? >> No, I love I love that the fact that all. the kids like like to spend time with. each other. Like I like. >> a some people might be like oh, that's a. little cultish. We don't let them leave. >> No, it's not cultish. I think the. reality is that I just we just like to. be honest, I just don't trust mother. >> Me neither. >> don't trust mother around my kids and I. don't play about them when it comes to. my kids. At least when it comes to. nieces and nephews, we spend a lot of. time together and we know their parents. and you know, everyone can kind of be. accounted for, right? We know what's. going on. Um so I I I love it. I love the fact.

that everyone is reproducing and putting. more babies on this earth in our family. circle. >> Reproducing is crazy. >> Should we have another one? >> No. >> Okay. >> I'm okay. But I do have some more. embryos. >> Yeah. Got to do something with them. >> I'll figure it out. >> Whenever you're ready. >> them over to me anyway, so I legally own. them. >> Yes, you do. >> Okay, can we talk about something for. second? Because I feel like so many. people I know have an idea, like a real. idea. Something they have been sitting.

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someone to the kids or do you think. about that or is that just like a hard. no or. do you not think about it? >> It's a it's a hard no. Um but I would say. >> that you're just never going to. introduce someone to the kids? >> No, because I think like. and this is just me. I don't I don't. think it's smart. if me and you are not going to get. married. cuz I don't even think like. engaging is engage is cool. >> You mean to another. >> Yeah, so like I'll give an example, right? I would not like.

I don't even want to speak for myself, but I just say like I don't think it's. wise for parents. to introduce. a boyfriend or a girlfriend to their. kids. unless this individual. is going you're going to get married to. them because I'm not going to confuse my. kids where if something doesn't work. then this person is gone and then you. have to like kind of like recalibrate. everyone's brain like. >> I get that, but also wouldn't you not. know if you want to marry someone unless.

your kids sort of approve of it? >> Well, the reality is I don't think our. kids will ever approve of it. Um I don't. think True and Tatum will ever approve. of it. Uh I think you would have to like. knowing dating somebody for a year or 2. years is still like even a year is still. still too early. >> But then how do your kids get to like. bond with that person for you to. realize, okay, I can move on. Like I can. move forward with that. Cuz if my kids were like, I hate this. person or whatever, I would there's not.

a chance. >> Well, I mean I think more than likely. our kids will probably say that, so. True is very protective of me and and. you know. Tatum is like that. Our kids are very. protective of each other, right? So, I. don't think they'd be. >> So, right now, the dating thing, you. just wouldn't introduce anyone to your. kids. >> Absolutely not. >> Do you want to have more kids in the. future? >> I think I signed off for two embryos, so. I mean, if I do have more kids, it'd be. coming from. Yeah. I already have enough baby mamas. I don't want no more.

>> Yeah. Smart. >> More than enough. >> And who. helped you fix that decision? >> [laughter]. >> That was me. >> Yeah. >> Tristan may have had a little ultimatum. from me. >> What? Getting neutered? >> Yep. >> Yeah, sometimes you got to lay them nuts. on the table. >> What? Okay. >> I mean, it's a podcast. You can say what. you know. >> You can say whatever you want. >> Yeah. Oh, my bad. Good. Shout out our. sponsors. Oh, yeah. Sometimes you have. to make the right exact You know, you. sometimes. >> Yeah, sometimes you have to get forced.

into the right decision. >> Yeah, you know, I I I. I've been a little hardheaded at times. Um more times than not. >> Yeah. >> Which I wish I wasn't as stubborn. But, um you know, I I I guess. I am an experienced learner. I learn. from experience. Not as much as like. being told. >> Mhm. >> Which is unfortunate, but it's part of. life. It's part of um the journey. >> My God. >> So, it is what it is. But, yeah. >> So,

no more kids for you. >> No more kids unless. it's coming from. Chloe's embryos. Yes. >> God. >> How about them? >> You did save sperm in case you wanted to. do that. >> So, hold on. What do what what do we. have right now? >> We saved sperm cuz I said, "What if you. get married and your wife doesn't have. kids? And you want to do that." So, we. did that cuz you could also reverse it, but. >> No, I'm not No. I'm not laying down on. that table again. >> Okay.

>> Yeah. >> It wasn't bad. You were like up and. walking. >> was 15 minutes. It's quick. I tell guys. it's very quick. I remember going home. and watching the finals. >> there. I just meant the next day I. remember you took True to lunch. >> Yeah. >> That's all that So like you were. >> A couple days later we all watched the. NBA finals together. >> I don't remember. >> Yeah, yeah. It was um Milwaukee versus. Phoenix, game game two. My buddy. pounded here. >> Okay. >> Do you still like after bedtime it's. like you're out of there? >> Oh, I'm leaving. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Tristan and I don't like hang out if.

it's not with the kids. >> I mean you did come over for hookah. >> Kylie, her boyfriend, his mom, everyone. was there for Mother's Day. >> I mean my house is very I think I think. the reason why you um. >> And one time in five years you're going. to throw that in my face after Mother's. Day the whole family. >> the only one time you've been over to my. house. >> Well, I'm just saying, please. >> Yeah. My house is very homey. You even. say it's good energy. >> love your house. Love love love your. house. What are you doing. career-wise,

hobby-wise? I know you just retired from a 14-year. NBA career, which is crazy. And how's. that transition going for you? >> Um honestly it's been great, you know, I. what I always tell people it feels like. I'm a rookie again. You know, for me. you know, at some point Father Time wins. and I think you have to figure out how. you're going to pivot. I think the. toughest thing for anyone um but just. for athletes is figuring out what's. next. I think for athletes the. um. easiest transition is going into sports.

broadcasting because I think it's a way. that you can still stay part of the game. and just talk about what you love. It's no different than you being on the. couch or being at the barber shop. Uh. but for me also not only just doing. that, I said, you know, what can I do. that can be impactful and kind of be you. know, be outside the box. Uh two guys. that I look at. >> not everyone can do it. You are so good. with your words and you have so much. retention of sports. like you are. bizarre and you like remember stats that.

are crazy. Like not everyone can do. that. And you're also like you just. you're so good with your words and. you're so great at doing that and being. on camera. So, you do have to also pat. yourself on the back when you do MBA TV. and all of that. >> Yeah, I know. I think it's probably. because I'm maybe Canadian and you know, lived around all over America and. traveled you know, basketball has helped. me travel the world and always I think. it's because I've always been a sponge. But now for me it's about pivoting into.

you know, uh AI and tech. And kind of the way I. look at it the it's it's about how can I. be part of world the world is going and. not where the world is currently at. I. think when when the the the narrative. right now. uh cuz it's important to me is that. people think like when they hear about. AI they think it's like all bad. And. they're like, "Oh, AI isn't going to. take away like our jobs." And I'm like, "No, the way the way I approach and the. way you have to look at AI is this, right? A farmer now instead of worrying. about, you know, the hard labor physical. uh wear and tear of the body where you.

can focus now on building your business, expanding your farm, you know, it's it's. the business side of it where they can. focus on. So, that's just where my. head's at and I'm excited about it. >> I will say but Alexa will always like. she'll see a video of you and she'll. send it to me and be like I have. like she we're just so proud of your. transition from basketball to your other. interests because that transition is. hard. Your whole identity for your. basically your whole life. is NBA. I think your ability that you've.

been able to transition as seamlessly as. you have is really admirable. And I love. that you are not afraid to try new. things. Even your journey to the White House. It's really really inspiring I think for. so many people. You're learning about AI. and crypto and trading and all the. things that are. the future. >> No, thank you. but I think it's like. I think a lot of athletes when you come. to this cross, you know, crossroads of. like it it's being over the show being.

over, I think a lot of guys waste time. on like. sitting in their own. and like trying to figure out like why. is it over or like can I still come back. and play? But for me it's like, no, the. iron's hot, onto the next because at the. end of the day it's very it's like in. every profession, right? You're going to. always have this halo around your head. of like this cachet and the longer you. wait to pivot. the the halo becomes less the the the. light be dims. So for me it's like I'm not going to. wait five, four years to get back into. doing something else. I'm going to go.

right away. >> How did you handle when the world was so. opinionated of you? You were really good. at that. >> Yeah, you know, to be honest, it's my. upbringing. I've been through so much. real in my life that's like life or. death situations. that. I've probably built this kind of like. survival mode in me mentally on how to. like still like show up to work and like. do my job. >> Mhm. >> and not let. whatever happen in my personal life. affect my job. because.

if tough times are happening in your. life and then you're compromising your. job then you're not going to have no. job. And you need your job to take. care of your kids and pay your bills and. take care of your family because I have. responsibilities. It's not just taking. care of myself, I'm taking care of. you know. my brothers, man. >> But do you think it affected your mental. health at all or was it easy for you to. like drown it out? >> Um I just saying where I poured into my. kids, I think I just poured more into. the sport. and just stayed at the gym, lived at the. gym. Um made the gym my sanctuary. Uh but in terms of of course.

mentally does it maybe. take a toll on you? Maybe, but I think I. just the the crazy thing about. professional sports in the NBA is that. you got to always be ready to play and. play at a high level because. if you're not playing at a high level. and everyone knows about your personal. situation, then you're not going to get. a job, so. >> Right. >> You understand as well, right? I think. for you, you know, what we've been. through, you could easily just say, "Hey, I'm not. filming. I'm not working. I'm not. showing up for these appearances.".

But, money I can make. If I make money, I have to work. >> What do you want people to take away. from you and I sitting on this couch. together? >> I think number one is that. co-parenting can work. I think it all starts with a. >> Even in the worst of circumstances, it. can. >> Yeah, but I'm telling you it all stems. from there's a level of respect. Just. because me and you might You might say. You might curse at me, and I might in my. head curse at you. >> In my head. >> And I might walk off and excuse myself. because I don't want to say something I. might regret. Likewise with you, there's.

still a level of respect. We walk away. because of level of respect, right? So, I think that's a that's the number one. thing. And then also, just like. we're all evolving. I think people just. need to understand like. Listen, what happened in the past, no. I'm not proud of it. I We. No one likes it. I hate it. It was not a good time in. either of our lives. Um. but it's about like moving like not. moving forward, but like we're evolving. We're changing. I think we're in a. better place now than we were when we. were intimate. And I think that's. something that's very important that.

that we can we can grow. What about you? What do you want to be taken away like. what do you want if when everyone turns. off this, you know, program, what do you want people to say? Because you said you were nervous, so. you think people are going to kill us. about this show. >> No, I'm going to hear it regardless, but. I'm not nervous. I'm the one that. willingly had you on. I more get sick. and tired of the commentary cuz I'm. like, "You guys, I don't love what happened. I'm not. saying that, but it it all happened for. the greater good. I really do think so. I.

for whatever reason it was meant to. happen. Not not the cheating part, but. like you and I weren't meant. to end up together. You and I were meant. to have these beautiful kids. We're. great co-parenters. You're a great. present dad. I'm grateful for so much of. what we have now, but I want people to. just. realize like you can. people can do you wrong. You can. forgive. You can move on. You can. coexist. You can still be a great.

parent, show up for the people around. you the way that you should. I feel like. there's so many things that people use, "Oh, someone wronged me." And they use. that as this shield or an excuse to just. be a bad person, to be something like it. takes so much more energy for me not to. move past something than it does to move. past something. I just think I want. people maybe to. I don't care to have anyone's. acceptance. I'm not asking for that. I. think maybe this podcast would help.

people. see our. relationship more, see how you and I. are with one another. Um it's not for. people to agree. It's not for people to. disagree. It's This is what works for. you and I. We've found a good flow. We. have two beautiful, healthy, great. children. And I feel like we're doing something. right. Doesn't mean it happens every. day, but for the overall part, I'm. really proud of you and I and how we've.

gotten here. >> Yeah, it works for us. I mean, we do. carpool and. we order chai tea lattes. And it works. I mean, and I appreciate you too. And you've. been a great mom and. been great for Amari and. so it works. I mean, >> Thank you. Question. When a man says, "I'm not proud of what I've done.". Right? Do you have that realization when. you're doing it? Or you discover that later? >> No, later.

>> And then. >> Not in the moment. >> Right, but like how much later? Like. once you're caught? Or do you feel that. way when you're done doing it? >> post nut syndrome. >> What? Don't. >> Oh, sorry. I Maybe I was a little too. verbose. >> So, then why do you keep redoing it? >> That is a. That's a trillion-dollar question. Um. I don't know. I mean, I can't speak for. other people. Uh For myself, I think just uh. life was moving very quickly. for me at the time when we were.

together. I probably didn't do the best job of uh. navigating. my truth about what like where I was at. And maybe just honestly probably just a. little. case of just like. being young and wanting your cake and. eat it, too, but just don't know how to. Like it's just Like it's just life. Like. it's just a lot going on in life at the. time for me. Uh so, not proud of it. Of course not. But like you said, I think it's uh. sometimes we need a wake-up call, and. unfortunately, you know, you never want. good people to.

fall to the sword of that. Uh. >> Just a question. Have you ever thought. about what you're going to say for if. and when cuz the when will happen when. your kids ask you like what happened. between us? >> I've definitely thought about that. And. I And I am. like you said, it's not about if, it's. when. I think it just depends on which age we. have this conversation when I have this. conversation with the kids, but I think. it's just more leading by just being. accountable. And And depends on the age. bracket of wherever they were at, then.

dive into it how I see fit. But I think. the most important thing is that. you know, accountability, how much I you. know, love love Mommy, and go from. there. >> I mean, you just have to be. honest. That's all kids really. >> want. >> All anyone wants is honesty. Yeah. And love. >> And love. Do you think if you guys met. later in life things would have been. different? >> Yeah. >> Oh. >> Yeah, definitely. I think uh.

I always tell people I think it's the. right person, wrong time. And I mean, I think it's a very like. maybe it's a cliche to think it's like. ah blah. But I think it's true like you. know, it's unfortunate. >> That response was crap. >> Yeah, yeah, because everyone was like oh. well anyone can say that. But it's like. honestly it's true, right? And I think. uh. I I think we've had that conversation. but it's just. if I was my the age I am now or even. couple years before, would our world look different? Probably so. I guess things happen for a. reason.

>> That they do. >> And you never know how life happens, you. know? Maybe like who knows? >> No. I think we know. [laughter]. I think we know. >> Hold on. So let me ask a question. If there's a bunker. >> Yeah. >> and you only could bring x amount of. people in, would you bring me in there? >> Yeah. >> Okay, so that's all I need to. >> But what does that have to I'm not. having sex with you. >> Who said anything about sex? I'm just. making sure like. >> Well, I don't know where this was going. >> Oh. >> But if what I want I mean, I am going to be honest, my immediate. family has to fit.

>> get in first, of course. >> Like but if there's room room for you. >> Where do I Where do I fit in the food. chain if there's a bring everyone in? >> No, you would. >> I bet you I'd go higher than you you You. say. >> You would be on my list. >> I think I'm higher in your list than you. probably would want to be. >> people in front. >> I think so but I don't think it's I. don't think it's as many people in front. than like you are perceiving. >> 13 grandkids total. >> Oh yeah. >> So it's 13 people. Okay, let's not put. the children in this. Let's like Let's. pretend all the children like just get. in. Let's pretend they don't count as. seats in the bunker.

>> Okay, would I want you on the list? Yes. >> Am I top five? >> No. >> Oh. >> Because I have How many siblings? I have. five siblings. >> Oh, yeah. Okay, so I'm top I'm top 10. >> Like. >> I'm top seven. I'm maybe seven. >> But what about my kids? >> They don't count cuz everyone wants to. pick kids. Of course they have life to. live. You have to put the kids in. >> No, but it's a fact. >> They don't count. Let's say kids don't. count. You can only bring adults. >> Okay, Tristan, you'll get in the bunker. >> Top seven? >> I don't I can't limit the.

number right now. But like 10, if we're not counting the. 13. kids together, then. I don't know, 10 sounds safe. >> How was your feeling Philly assistant? >> Ignorance is bliss. >> That's true. >> Yep, ignorance is bliss. It's the best way to use it. That's my. best uh explanation. >> I just don't get guys. Like. want to have such a problem with people.

moving on and dating, but like you guys. cause all this. >> Yep. Since. just yeah. I mean, there's no uh. There's no right answer. I think it's. just how. We just feel very uh I don't know, maybe. I don't want to say entitled, we just. >> No, you feel entitled, possessive, controlling. Not you, men. >> Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, you're the mother of my kids. I don't. think any guy is going to be good enough. for you. It doesn't matter. Like I just don't.

wouldn't like I don't think so. >> Well. >> But. see what happens. >> What's next for you? >> What's next? Um. Keep plugging away, trying to be the. best. I want to be the best in. this venture, finance, technology space. For me, it's more about like inspiring. the youth, doing something outside the. box. And like I said, it's like it's. like the uh shock and magic thing where. it's like. you know, try to be bigger in this space. than I was just in in my playing career. I'm trying to win another championship. And you know, I won a championship with.

a jersey and shorts on. I'm trying to. win one with a Tom Ford suit on now. >> You better clock it. Talk about it. Tristan, thank you so much for coming. on. I know it's probably stressful. thinking of doing this, I imagine for. you, but I really appreciate it. >> No, this was great. Thank you for having. me on. Uh very proud of you, season two. It's been great. You've had some great. guests. You've done a great job. Keep. >> up the good work. Nice setup. Good job.