Do it for Love ft. Laura Wasser | Khloé in Wonder Land Episode 4 | Khloé Kardashian

[Music]. do you ever not believe in love I still. believe in love I just believe that. there's dicks out there I have times. with trist I'm like I want toing murder. him but my children would never know. that and that is what I think being a. responsible adult is I think you're. always known for your style and your. fashion I definitely don't dress our. work out to get a picture taken of me so. let's do it to get laid let's do it to. get laid yes let's do it to get laid.

welcome to Chloe and Wonderland this is. the podcast for real and raw. conversations that you won't want to. miss what a work one I know how to. [Music]. read so I'm so excited to have you here. Laura waser you have been I feel like. every one of my siblings divorce lawyer.

or family law lawyer and your dad I. don't know which parent your dad. represented I think it's my mom or my. dad which I I think it might have been. maybe your dad with your mom and then. your mom with Bruce oh my God okay I. think so I'm not twice we're yes we're. very inter we're very interconnected. which is amazing but not only are you. the best family law attorney that there. is but I just feel like when people hear. your name you have this title the diso.

queen um which I love um any sort of. Queen title but also I just feel like. people don't know enough about the. softer side the softer side of you and I. think that people just probably assume. that like you love divorce and I don't. know just because you fight for that but. I know you're I know that you're such an. advocate for love and yeah I just feel. like I want people to get to know a. different side of you well that's why I. came I mean I feel like look you can't. be a divorce attorney without having.

something attributed to you and a lot of. people are like wow you're Pitbull shark. I don't think that's how I am I think. it's more of a problemsolving. gene that I have that my dad has as well. and so we want to try to help people by. the time they come to me they're already. getting divorced I'm not like a divorce. Monger in fact as you know there have. been circumstances where I've said don't. get divorce let's see how this plays out. let's see if we can work it we do a lot. of prenuptual agreements which are. people getting together and hopefully.

keeping their relationship communicative. and evolving so yeah no it's not just. all about divorce and hate and misery no. you've been someone for me like you're. always from even with Lamar like you've. always been someone that's like let's. try to work this out privately try to. work it out before going to court and in. a way you're almost like a family. therapist sometimes I mean I'm not. qualified to be a family therapist but. my main goal is to keep people out of. court so if you can work it out yourself. as opposed to letting someone who you.

don't know who doesn't know you doesn't. know your kids has a very crowded Court. dock docket lots of people trying to get. their attention and get relief wouldn't. it be better if you guys worked it out. and so we've done that a lot yes we've. done that I feel like for a bunch of my. sisters we've done that a lot um but I. want you to sort of take me back I know. that your dad has been he was before you. probably I feel like respectfully you've. surpassed him oh I hope he never sees. this oh my gosh he's going to kill me. but we could duke it out in the desert.

but um before you would you say you took. over his Law Firm yeah yeah so before. you though he was this incredible lawyer. had a huge name for himself just like. you do um times were different we didn't. have social media and all of that but. how did you get started and I also know. that your father wasn't that Keen on. having you join the family business if. you could sort of tell that whole story. so my dad first of all I didn't want to.

join the family business like growing up. my initials are law Laura Allison waser. which I always thought was so lame and I. was like God and I fought it and but. anyway like when I was in my 40s I kind. of embraced it and know all Monograms. and everything but I didn't think I was. going to be a lawyer and I certainly did. not think I was going to be a family law. attorney and then in my second year of. law school I got married I was young I. was 25 and then after my third year I. graduated and took the bar and my. husband at the time and I looked at each.

other and like what were we thinking and. we had a great wedding it was like 200. people at the belir hotel and 10. bridesmaids 10 grimsman I mean I do I. love love I mean I love a good wedding. it was gorgeous but um we were like this. is probably this probably wasn't a great. idea so I went to my dad and I was like. look we're going to split up he's like. no more weddings I will not pay for. another wedding and I was like okay so. I've never had another wedding but um I. also said I you know I'm paying the rent. on this house in Laurel Canyon and I. have a dog and I have a car payment can.

I come work for you dad while I wa wait. for my results from the bar exam and you. know get a real job and he's like no no. nepotism no nepotism and I'm like Dad. please I'm working for a nonprofit right. now I need help you know please let me. and he's like fine you can work here. while you wait for your results well I. worked there and I was really good at it. and I liked it and because I grew up in. LA and I knew a lot of people at the. time that were like working assistance. desks at the agencies they were young. lawyers at the entertainment law firms. business man.

kids of people who were in the industry. I had clients and so he was like you my. partner said if you want to stay you can. stay and I still like don't want yeah so. I I worked there they were so much. harder on me than they were on anybody. else but I really started to like it. because like I said I like the idea of. problem solving and I can usually now. and even then a little bit see what the. pressure points were who cared more. about custody who cared more about money.

what the fears are and it's interesting. 30 years that I've been doing this now. it doesn't matter how much money you. have and it doesn't matter how famous. you are what your occupation is people. have the same fears and anxieties you. know who who am I going to spend my. summer vacation with are my kids going. to be okay when they're at his house. he's never put them to bed or bathe them. what if she starts dating somebody else. that makes more money than me and my. kids fall in love with him more than me. all of these things are the concerns.

people have and so you get to know those. things and then you adjust them to. whatever makes sense who's going to go. to the Labor Day company picnic with me. or who's going to walk the red carpet at. the Oscars with me whatever it is that's. your level of anxiety and trying to kind. of get people through that figure out. the numbers the law is not that. complicated so you don't have to be a. rocket scientist to do what I do but you. have to kind of be able to figure out. how to explain it to people and let them. make decisions about what's going to. make the most sense for them as I said. without going to court which is key and.

I also think one of your strong traits. is you explain things to people in in. English yes in a way that people. actually understand what you're saying. and you don't overwhelm them with big. words and lawyer lingo that someone's. like okay and you just sort of say yes. to say yes and that is such an amazing. attribute to have but then also that you. speak English to us I'm like oh okay I I. understand that how wasn't Stevie Wonder. one of your like first big cases he was. one of my first um he was a client that.

was my dad's and then he has a lot of. kids so when he whatever one of the new. ones was my dad I had known him since I. was younger and he said why don't I work. with Laura so my dad said fine and then. there was a very big case where he had. been living with somebody for a long. time and they were kind of extricating. so we did that case and then I just. started doing all of Stevie's stuff and. he's actually become a friend like he is. a very very dear friend and but yeah. that was again when I started in.

1994 there wasn't a 24-hour news cycle. forget social media there just wasn't. things on the news all the time and as I. think we've discussed before in. California divorces are public so the. minute you file something TMZ which. there wasn't even TMZ back then but it's. all over it they it's just it's public. knowledge so we try to do things quietly. but that is the reason why so many. people know who our firm represents. whether we like it or not right and I. think that's the misconception I think. people not with your firm just in.

general people think that all these. celebrities are like pushing things out. to the media where most of these things. people would love to go under the radar. but I don't know who TMZ has on their. payroll but somehow they find out. anything and everything yes so for your. divorce that you had do you have any. kids with that marriage no no kids but. you have two kids right by two different. dads correct and for was that something. that was.

like methodically done why you didn't. get married to any of them no but like. once you've been married once before and. you've had this beautiful wedding and. all that I know I'll never look better. in wedding photos than I did when I was. 25 but you know both of the dads of both. of my kids and I were kind of like do we. want to do this do we need this like. we're very committed we're going to be. committed to being. co-parents I don't know if I can promise. until death to us part I can promise I'm. always going to co-parent with you and. so we kind of left it at that and so.

particularly with my older son's dad um. that really worked for us you know we. were both attorneys we both were from La. had family here and then with my younger. son's dad it wasn't calculated not to. get married but it was definitely. calculated to have another kid so that. Luke had a sibling right and that. sibling also has an older sister so. there were really three of them and they. were all five years apart so Alik at the. time was 10 Luke was five and then Jack. was was one so that was kind of how we.

raised our kids and so it it worked and. you know how I know and you know I know. CU you do it too that you can coexist. peacefully lovingly respectfully with. another parent that's not living in the. same house with you it's CU we do it. right we have their backs we take care. of them if things are going wrong we. everybody does birthday parties together. I mean your family's birthday parties. are a little different than my family's. birthday parties but everybody's welcome. and I think that's so important as a.

family to a kid to see that to always. see parents that are getting along and I. think it's important for us as moms I. mean we have this Village like this. tribe of people women and men who are. there to kind of help us and you know. fill in the blanks if we need it and. that's huge for us and for our kids. don't you agree oh my gosh it's major. and I had a great example my mom and my. dad got along really well and even if. they weren't getting along we never knew. otherwise so and that is what I think.

being a responsible adult is and. protecting your children. and not lying to them in any way but. having them see that you can coexist and. co-parent and also have not putting that. on them right letting them know like. whatever feelings I might have about. your dad I love him CU he's my family. and he's your family so we're going to. work this out yeah I agree completely my. parents divorced when I was 16 and they. did it that way too super wow civil they. both married other people and then my. mom passed away in 2019 but they were.

and the morning that she died we were at. her house in Malibu with her husband my. dad my ex who is was Luke's dad and then. my my at the time current boyfriend like. everybody was there around her when she. went and it was again another example of. in those kind of clinch times the people. that are important to you are there. that's how it was when my dad died I. don't know if it was the day of but the. week that he was dying he was on hospice. Bruce came to say have a conversation.

with him and his goodbyes my mom did yes. everyone and it's so crazy how parallel. our families are but that's also why I. think we just get each other so much. with that agre I agree an interesting. story that an another example of how. you're such a crusader for love that I. actually I remember of course but I. didn't think of it when I was like oh. I'm going to sit down with you today but. either you told my producers or. something like that is the story about. Lamar when he was in his coma yes and um.

Lamar fell into a coma and I was trying. to get a divorce for like a year and a. half or two years something like that. and I don't remember either he wouldn't. sign he signed he signed right before. the coma yes and so we were able to get. all the paperwork done and this is back. in the day where you would actually go. down to court and file paperwork and so. a lot of the people that worked at Los. Angeles Superior Court kind of knew me. from being around probably when I was a.

kid I would go with my dad but you know. it's the same people going in so I had. taken the paperwork down to the court a. couple days before and I was like oh. finally I got this done for Chloe this. is great whatever even I wouldn't be. able to make any medical decisions for. him if I wasn't um married to him so you. called me and you said oh my God Lamar's. in a coma we need to stop the paperwork. I'm like stop the paperwork it's in the. it's in the system you know you're like. it's it's on the judge's desk I think is. what you said so I fly down to Los Ang. suprior court and and you know me a.

little bit like back in the day I would. like try to dress up like a lawyer and. wear my like little suits and whatever. but when I wasn't being a lawyer I was. wearing something usually totally. different which is what I was wearing. that day and I go down to court and I. like flag the woman down and I'm like. hey you know you knew me I dropped a a. judgment off a couple days ago and I I. need to pull it back and she's like. there's no pulling it back and I was. like no no no you don't understand I. really need to do it it's for Khloe. Kardashian and and and Lamar Odin and. and she's like I don't know who that is.

and I was like okay I go please please. for these people you know for me and. she's like I know who you are but I'm. not doing that for you and and then I. don't even know I was like so desperate. I go what about for love and she's like. for love and I was like yes for love. they're in love she doesn't want to pull. it back she needs to take care of him. and she's like for love and I don't know. if she was just thought I was hilarious. or she really also is a crusader for. love she goes wait here and she like I. don't know where she went into the. bowels of the courthouse she got it she. brought it back it hadn't been signed we.

dialed the whole thing back I remember. like running to my car and calling you. and being like Chloe I got it I got the. judge back did it for love we did it for. love no and doesn't she tell that like. when you see her doesn't she say that to. you sometimes when I'm walking by and. again I'm not down there that often. because postco we do a lot remotely but. she'll be like for love like okay lady. thank you God bless you we did it for. love I but that is another example that. you are you're not like no we're getting. divorced you're like yes let's do it.

let's do it for love do it for love oh. my gosh I love that it's great slogan. it's almost as good as my sweatshirt. that says Kim is my lawyer I have the. same one we all. do who were some of your mentors and. Inspirations both of my parents I mean. my dad really taught me so much about. not being a lawyer being a critical. thinker you know being somebody that was. like okay I think there's two sides to. every story and he really I was in. debate in high school and he really. taught me kind of how to argue I was a.

rhetoric major when I was in college at. Cal and I kind of love discourse I love. having a conversation about something. and kind of talking things through I'm. sure anybody I dated would be like yeah. it's fing. great um and so definitely my dad and. also he kind of showed me without. meaning to how to run a business I mean. I run our firm now and you know so many. mornings he's in the desert but we text. every morning at like 5:30 and he's like. any news how's the firm whatever and.

I'll tell him all of my list of. complaints about whoever didn't come in. that day and how hard it is to get the. Millennials working in the office and. whatever else and he's like yep you're. learning important lessons and I'm like. bro you never had any of this kind of. stuff what you talking about important. lessons then my mom who is like the. consumate cheerleader she was just the. greatest most positive happy upbeat. unconditional love super cool bunny. waser like most of my friends from. elementary School in high school are. like oh my God Bonnie she raised us like.

mine was the house that everybody went. to and we would all eat coffee ice cream. and the Hadley's trail mix that you pick. up on the way down to Palm Springs and. my parents were really young my mom was. I think 21 when she had me and my dad. was like 23 that was the norm so they. knew what was going on like they knew. when we came home stoned whatever they. and so they would I constantly was. busted I constantly was grounded most of. my friends parents were older so even. though we got in trouble more in my. house we would be there more cuz it was.

just kind of a fun place to hang so and. that's on my mom and then you know other. mentors that I've had through the years. have been other kind of female family. law attorneys both those that I knew. pretty well and then those that I didn't. know you know people who taught me you. know if you speak slowly and you speak. quietly they have to lean forward to. hear you you don't need to get in there. and slam things around and yell like a. man would and cuss like a sailor even. though I tend to do that a little bit. same quietly. confidently you know give other people.

the respect that they're due and then. they will do the same for you and if. they don't and you're in front of a. judge the will be like Mr so Ando she. gave you your turn now give her hers. that's the kind of step and again that. I'm trying to teach the younger. Attorneys at my firm and when I speak at. law schools around around the state and. stuff like that I think that's really. important oh I love that you speak at. law schools I do it's fun it is fun kind. of I mean sometimes I think I don't. realize how old I am and then get there. and I see these kids no but again 30.

years 30 years ago I was sitting where. they're saying that's a long time I mean. and so and I just think about what must. be going through their heads what their. concerns are now and what you know are. we going to get a job are we going to. make enough money like thinking about. that kind of stuff I I know that there's. young women particularly but men too. that are like I'd want to be like Laura. waser I want that bag I want those shoes. I want that car but what goes into being. that they don't know that until you. actually talk to them they only what's. on the outside right and do you think.

cuz I know especially back in the day. women I don't think there were I don't. know but I don't believe there was tons. of women it actually was a girl job oh. was it it was working inhouse at you. know Production Studios was kind of a a. female job because they were had more 9. to five hours and being family law. attorneys was more so there were David. Schwimmer you know from friends his mom. was an amazing family law attorney yeah. Arlene Coleman Schwimmer she was a. badass oh that's amazing there are a.

couple that are really you know that. were really good they did a good job. they were tough and they were very well. respected and unlike some other careers. where women were constantly beaten down. I I my experience was not I was not. really I didn't have that much sexual. you know orientation you know people. didn't give me that hard of a time it. could have been because I was my dad's. daughter right could have been that I. just wasn't that hot I don't know but. but I didn't get that some people give. off like don't with my energy yeah and.

so you're one of those like don't with. me cuz you're very hot I was going to. say I'm sure at these colleges they're. probably like that's a lawyer cuz you I. love though yes you still are you're. always perfectly like you represent. yourself perfectly great but you're cool. thank you and you like that's that's I. also think what's so like captivating. about you is you still of like you're a. woman you know I have my moments yeah. hello like now I love it I am all for it.

thank you speaking of being a woman um I. just want to talk about well I. definitely want to get to your fashion. because I I love the fashion of Laura. but I want to talk about your morning. rituals like how do you start your. morning every day well my dogs wake me. up I have a pitbull and a lab and the. Pitbull particularly Pablo is like in my. face every day yeah the last one was. Raul they they're of Spanish origin so. anyway I wake up at like.

5:36 um and I usually will check my. phone do a little work have a cup of. coffee and then either I run or go to. Pilates so five or six days a week I do. something physical in the morning. because I can have time I take Pablo for. a run so it doesn't drive everybody in. the house crazy every morning get back. wake up my kid who's still home Jack 15. make him something for breakfast start. getting ready to go and if I'm working. at home which is rare or in the office. I'll get into the office at like 9:30 or.

10: I don't have many more morning. rituals face stuff and all that I think. happens more at night like just the. creams and the whatever and the vitamins. I'm like a tinted sunscreen girl and. that's really it yeah the rest I don't. have the energy for yeah but I it's. interesting that you go to your phone or. like you work right away cuz I try to. like no this hour's like I get up at. 4:30 or 5 every day but I'm like nope. this hour is for me I have like coffee. or do what I I feel like if I don't.

first get rid of whatever I mean I have. clients that are in Switzerland I have. to respond also I told you my dad every. morning text me at 5:30 so I want to. text back so that he knows I'm alive and. I and his little girl like made it. through the night so but yeah I think. just starting out and if I see it's a. long email that I have to write that's. something cohesive I usually will have. my coffee first the run time is for me. like I don't answer my phone when I'm. running a good like hour where I just. can clear my head I'm not a good. meditator I can't sit still this is my. way of being able to do that and I'm the.

same when I in like my gym time I try to. take that hour and don't touch my phone. I'm like this is my one hour where some. other people I'm working out with they. will just stop every five minutes I'm. like that it to me that's so frustrating. right and I think it's rude also to. whoever is training you I feel bad about. it like if I'm you know like I'm so. sorry hold on you know no I agree so I. think you're always known for your. polished style and your fashion I mean. do you pull from someone for courtroom. fashion. no Corin fashion is rough I mean you.

want to it is but you make it look so. good well yeah it's I'm not good with. jackets cuz I'm small so they tend to. make me look like a fire hydrant like. it's just Stumpy so I like to wear more. fitted things when I started practicing. like one of my dad's Partners was like. we don't wear pants at this firm women. don't wear pants which is fine because. I'm not a pants suit person anyway right. but also I have a tattoo on my ankle. that I've had since I was in college and. I don't like to wear stockings like it. just so I would always have bare legs so. that was an issue he didn't like that my.

hair was too long and down and if I. didn't like blow it dry it would be wavy. and it was like pre jizelle but he was. like who do you think you are like you. know George of the Jungle wife going in. there with this hair so I would put my. hair up in a bun I had actually fake. glasses that didn't even have a. prescription that I'd wear I mean it was. so now I can wear what I want but I'm. still I still need to be respectful of. the judges so I mean Bas like my Basics. are like Elia there's some good. Valentina and by the way I save up so.

that I can buy stuff because I love. clothes like besides putting my kids. through school and making I have boys so. I don't have to spend as much on their. clothes but like clothes I'm a clothes. horse I mean I love it I love the shoes. I love Tom Ford I love being able to. dress up and then literally on the total. flip side I will have a totally separate. I'm a Gemini so maybe just the you know. schizophrenia of me total separate. wardrobe for weekends and stuff like. that more of a beach girl hippie boho. Isabelle Morant that kind of stuff Chloe. now this this last couple Seasons well.

Kim is uh starring in a TV show that's. Loosely based off of you and Loosely. Loosely we're going to say Loosely. Loosely one of my favorite things is all. her fashion I don't know if you've seen. it or if she's been sending you photos. or anything I have heard about the. fashion one also one of the prop Masters. was like oh my God and not just hers. yeah every like Glenn's Naomi everybody. is dressed by the way I can't wait till. theen at my firm see this show cuz. they're going to be like what has gone.

wrong here that we're not dressing like. these women it up no what I've seen it's. like vintage mug glare it's so Chic and. incredible that to me I'd be like that's. the best compliment you got to Glam you. got to glamorize it's like having. Gallows humor you have to dress. beautifully if you're going to be doing. this kind of LW and heing this much. misery day in and day out I hear the. show is amazing I can't wait um I hear. it's amazing and you and I both have to. go to set for I have a funny story to. tell you and I don't think who would m. your brother-in-law Tris I represented.

him years ago and he we had a court. appearance that was going to be in the. office a judge was coming in to do the. court appearance we had a private judge. and he said I don't think I have the. right thing to wear and I said okay come. in about an hour early in whatever you. want and then we'll figure it out and. you know my office is in Sentry City so. it's near the mall and I think at the. time it was like Bullocks there was. maybe a Bullocks in a Broadway or. whatever at that cry City Mall go so he. came over and he was wearing like a torn. shirt you know whatever neck tattoos. piercings and I was like okay and so we.

walked over to bulock and we bought him. a suit I was a Hugo Boss suit we like. got him fitted we got the neck the. collar so it could go up as far as we. could I mean the judge knew kind of who. he was and saw the tattoos but again we. wanted the judge to know he was willing. to be respectful what he's like you know. we'll never wear this again I said give. it to a charity but we need to do this. and he was a really good sport about it. and it was just great it was kind of. like a little brother type of thing that. we did that is so funny I love that but. that is so him he will go with the flow. be like okay got it I know this is my.

best interest that is so funny let's go. to like decompressing okay because how. you just said this kind of job you have. to dress the part and you dress good to. feel good that's how I feel and in the. line of work that you're in I'm sure it. can get really heavy and emotional or. sometimes just like do you ever not. believe in love or like and what do you. do to decompress at the end of like a. brutal court day. well I mean first of all I still believe.

in love I just believe that there's. dicks out there I mean there are. definitely people that I'm like and also. keeping mind and I say this to clients. all the time a lot of divorce lawyers. make money off of other people's. conflict I mean come on the longer we. keep this going the more money we're. making so I have to explain to clients. like let's us get this resolved before. we're paying a lot of money to me and to. the other guy but I still do believe. that that's possible to decompress I. mean I'm a beach girl so I will if it's. if it's the if it's warm enough I will.

jump in the ocean I will you know go out. to Malibu I will have a swim or a surf. my kids have always loved the beach so. we'll do that if we can I'm way more of. a warm weather vacation person I like. skiing but I just I love being in the. sun I love beinga always say if you take. me the snow that's a trip but a vacation. is the beach I totally agree so that's. what the [ __ ] 100% bundled exactly and. then also when you have kids it's a. whole different ski trip I mean there's. snot and you're carrying everyone's it's. a whole different and then they're. dressed like I have to go potty I'm like.

no we're not no we're not pee on. yourself I don't care but then on a. day-to-day basis I don't know I'm a big. tequila Drinker I mean I you know I have. my moments and I have a lot of really. good friends I mean I grew up here I've. got good friends they know what kind of. a job I have and they are actually like. really I've two of my best girlfriends. live like one five houses up and one. five houses down and then my other best. girlfriend runs my firm so like we all. yeah yeah it's it so it it can actually.

be fun and as we're all kind of getting. older and our kids are growing up and. leaving the nest you know we're like hey. it's 5:30 you know can is it wine time. and I'm like I'm not even home yet can. you just slow your roll for a minute no. but I love that do you ever have. conflict working with your best friend. no because she runs the firm so my. conflict is like she's like this person. didn't pay us and I'm like well I guess. you better get them to pay she's not. she's not a lawyer so okay that's good. yeah oh I love that I didn't know that. yes what would you say is your parenting. philosophy like how do you handle you.

have two boys do you try to guide them. when it comes to love or do you think. that they've seen a lot where that's. sort of been their teacher they've seen. a lot remember I'm a Jewish mother so. one day I'm going to be a Jewish. mother-in-law so I try to refrain from. comment I have to say my my little one. hasn't kind of dipped his toe in the. romance Waters yet it's mostly just a. bunch of like little girls that are over. like giggling and whatever my older one. has a serious girlfriend in Miami and. he's brought her home and I love her and. she's lovely and again if I didn't I.

know that the more I said about it the. more it would push him into her arms so. I just sit back he's 19 I mean I don't. you I hope this young woman is somebody. he knows for a long time but I don't. know that they're going to get married. and I just kind of watch it all happen. which is what my parents did too I mean. I think they knew when I got married at. 25 that that wasn't going to be the. person that I was probably going to be. with for the rest of my life and they. just watched it happen paid all that. money for that wedding were supportive. and. we're like it it's all good I mean I.

think both of my kids have seen enough. to know that they probably are going to. have prenuptual agreements when they get. married which I don't see anything wrong. with that I don't either and I think. it's great for them to be like look. Laura wer is my mom I got to have a prup. and they be like okay you're going to. protect them until the cows come home my. parents are the same way like they were. super chill I don't think I'm going to. be like that and I want to be I'm always. like what would Chris Jenner do you're. going to be like your mom I pray so you. are I mean you are you it's it's hard. not to to be frankly and when you have a. mom that you actually respect and you.

like how she parented you and then. you'll roll your eyes and be like oh my. God I'm being like my mom for better for. worse you will be like that I mean you. may be a little bit more protective and. I know like Courtney's a little. different Kim's a little different but. ultimately you guys are all Chris's kids. and you are going to you're going to. lead with that I really do think that I. hope so cuz I'm always like how did she. let go I know tr's she hasn't totally. let go you and I and she have had some. conversations in the last. years in the morning but I love those.

like types of holding on but like when. you're 15 and dating someone and like. you see like the car crash about to. happen I would be like get the [ __ ] away. from this douche where my mom was like. it's okay like I don't know what well. because you have to learn vodka like. okay so that's the thing if I have one. of my good girlfriends her older. daughter went to college a couple years. ago and she'd never gotten drunk she was. kind of a goody goody she was kind of a. nerd and it was like the summer before. she left she was like at a party and she. got drunk and we were like yes thank God. cuz you don't want them away for their.

first experience so you kind of kind of. again I've said to them if you have an. issue call me I will not be angry I will. not ask questions you'll get it the next. day but you're not going to get it in. the moment I want you to be able to feel. comfortable and usually they will if you. make them feel that way but it it's hard. and I would imagine it' be harder with. girls I have to admit that with my older. even though she was not my biological. child she was living with us when she. was a teen and early 20s and yes there. there was times where the inside of my. mouth had like a big welt on it from.

biting so much not to say something no I. and I agree and my mom was the same she. would in that moment would not be super. brutal to us the next day yes when we. were coherent and could understand we. definitely would you don't want to waste. all that anger on. somebody yeah I need to remember every. bit of. it so like I even have a girlfriend that. can't afford in her head to get a. divorce she thinks she has to go and get.

this crazy expensive lawyer and she. can't do it but my mom was telling me. about this website that you have and you. can talk about it yes it started in 2018. and it's called it was called it's over. easy then we were acquired in. 2012 by a company called divorce.com and. I am still their chief of divorce. Evolution whatever that means I'm just. the face of it in some ways divorce.com. I know people that you know who are. using it and you go online you give them. your information they'll find you a. mediator if need be a lawyer if need be.

it is so much less expensive than my. ridiculously high hourly rate they will. help you through it they will explain it. to you we are so lucky that in this day. and age although we might not love the. social media and the 24-hour news cycle. and the TMZ of it all we have access to. so much information online and services. like this where you don't have to pay. it's like $2,500 or something for a full. divorce and you get the knowledge and. because you're getting the knowledge and. you're learning you have the sense of.

empowerment of being the master of your. own Universe because you and your spouse. are working that out together and so I. think it's great I'm a huge fan of. theirs and then there's another company. that I'm an advisor all called hello. prenup which is amazing online prenups. so you and your fiance talk about it and. you cannot get a prenup that's. enforcable in this country pretty much. for sure in California but almost every. state necessitates you having two. lawyers so in the past it was very. difficult to do something like this on. your own now you can work the whole.

thing out and with hello prenup they'll. assign attorneys to you to kind of look. it over help you make sure it's good and. bless it and sign it so now you've got. the attorneys and it's not super. expensive and I do think it's so also. that same sense of empowerment that you. have with the divorce that you're doing. on your own if you're doing the prenup. you're really having the conversations. that you know are important to have. before you kind of cast your life with. somebody and then have kids with them. and are like stuck with them for this. long period of time. if you can't have those kind of. conversations then you're in trouble.

right and you shouldn't be getting. married correct right I remember I had. like no money when I met Lamar we. actually had the same business manager. and they were like oh you need to sign a. prenup and I was like what's a prenup. and then when I was presented with it I. was like offended at first and then I. was like wait I'm not offended by this. once it was explained to me I really. understood what was going on I was like. okay sure let's sign and it benefited. him at the time and in the in the end it. actually benefited me so um because our.

financial situations shifted and so not. that it benefited I was protected right. um and I think people don't realize that. it's not about give me give me get me. get me it's really just about protecting. your own assets and you don't know. what's going to happen during that Union. where I didn't know I had no money when. I married him and then I ended up having. more money at the end from my career. taking off and all that stuff so it was. even if you're offended you can be. offended be in your feelings but it's.

really the best protection for both and. having the conversations about being. offended or well wouldn't I resent you. if we went for this whole period of time. and I thought for whatever reason that. we were just staying married because you. were in it for the money or because you. this having that communication I think. before you get married I mean a lot of. religions make you kind of have some. counseling with a priest or a or a rabbi. or whatever this is that next step and. people don't realize that when you get. married that's a contract they're like I. don't want a contract to Define my. marriage bro you're having a contract. and you better know what the terms are.

and you better be cool with them because. if you're not restructure them I think. prenups are so important and that's. amazing what's it called you said hello. prup and divorce.com my mom was raving. about divorce.com I'm like okay you got. to calm down so and my mom also wanted I. don't know if you know the stats my mom. was asking what do you think the. statistics are for the divorce rate now. I think they've been hovering around 50%. for long time we were one of the first. States in California to have what's.

called no fault divorce that's when you. just check the box that says. irreconcilable differences like it's not. working no question New York was one of. the last states to switch over to no. fault and before it was no fault you. actually had to say something that the. other person did if it was fraud or you. know I think it was like cruelty or. whatever so now you're starting out of. the gate with some like massive and you. have to be able to prove that that's the. point and then you're going into court. and you're saying he did this and she. did this and remember like in the old. movies where somebody would bust into a.

hotel room and the woman's holding the. sheet up and they're taking pictures of. The Flash adultery was one of the one of. the grounds for divorce as we know if. you have two particularly parents but. people where it's not working for. whatever reason whether there's terrible. domestic violence or just like Hey we're. not evolving and growing as people right. we've been raised in our culture and in. our generations to think okay you cut. your losses and you move on and you part. friends and if you have kids you raise. them but imagine now being in a. situation where you have to stay in that.

marriage right that terrifies me more. than just the fact that I would you know. also divorce lawyers would make so much. more money because everybody would just. be churning up fault that scares me too. what would you say are some really. important conversations that couple. should have before they get married. money conversations I think we are so. uncomfortable speaking about money. particularly women and we kind of avoid. it at all costs we don't want to and I. don't know about you I've been in. relationships with before before with.

men who made less than I did and it was. always very uncomfortable we don't want. to emasculate them if we're going to go. out with another couple we give them the. credit card so they pay so it doesn't. look like we're paying if we're taking a. vacation or if we're with our kids you. know doing things that aren't going to. hurt anybody's feelings where if the. gender roles were reversed you probably. wouldn't do that it's not weird for a. guy to pay for dinner for everybody or. whatever I think having conversations. about money is so important not only if. you make more than the guy but hey this.

is what I'm thinking in terms of what I. want to put aside every year for. retirement or hey my parents are older. and I don't ever want to put them in a. home I want them to be able to come live. with us so if we're going to buy a house. let's buy somewhere that has like an. adjacent guest house or hey how much. student loan do you have before we get. married these are things that I think. people don't like to talk about and it's. not sexy and it's not fun but they're. super important hey I was thinking after. we have kids I probably don't want to go. back to work for a while how do you feel. about that cuz I can't tell you how many.

guys come into me and go she never went. back to work I married her she was a. business manager she now she didn't go. back to work and I was like well did. that never come up now sometimes it. comes up and then once you have this. angel baby you don't want to leave and. go back to work I get that but at least. you've had that conversation what's. interesting is cuz I've never done this. like thinking that far ahead like about. your parents or things like that because. when you do get married you intend for. it to be forever I've had the. conversations about money or where are.

we living right now or those things but. never that far ahead and that seems so. how about even do you well you're not as. old as I am but like I don't ever want. my kids to be in a situation where they. have to pay for me I always want to have. enough money whatever medical care. whatever is happening so and again. people don't like to do estate plans. either because you have to really look. at your mortality when I die what am I. leaving who who's going to have the you. know the healthare yeah okay well I love. them that's weird but again it's good. but this is like another thing an estate. plan for your estate when you are alive.

and having that conversation I think is. important and really thinking that far. out I don't know if this is how you feel. but because you've lost your mother I've. lost my dad I think all of these things. estate planning Wills all of that matter. so much to me and my siblings because of. the things that weren't taken care of. when my father passed away I don't know. how your mom was but it just and you're. a lawyer but my dad had he didn't. practice law at that time but he was. still a lawyer and I we were just like.

huh like I know he died really quickly. he died in 5 weeks of diagnosis so it. was definitely I don't think but I we. still were all surprised that more. estate planning didn't happen I think. it's different these days I think we. talk about it more these days than we. did back in those days I also have. noticed among my male clients they have. a bigger problem facing their possible. mortality doctors and I didn't know your. dad well but what I know of him I can.

imagine him being like like my dad I'm. going to live forever right we're. signing a new lease right now on our. space in our firm and it's a 10-year. lease and so my dad's like well haven't. you consulted me and I don't want to be. a [ __ ] but I'm like he's like cuz I'm. still going to be here in 10 years I'm. like you're. 83 and I hope he's still here in 10. years but you know so yeah I think they. don't like to face their mortality and. that's why they're not as good about. planning for things I am meticulous I am. you know ALS so I don't know why but I. have this kind of Depression era.

mentality and I'm just sure something. terrible is going to happen I'm not like. oh if I get sick I'm like when I get. sick so I'm and again I'm a single mom. so you're constantly thinking what would. happen if what would happen if I've got. letters that I write to my kids every. year like when you open this I'm I'm. ready I'm ready for that plane to go. down oh my god well don't say that but. Kimberly does that she writes uh I think. it's every one of her kids birthdays she. writes them each a handwritten letter I. don't do that I need to do that because. I would give anything if when my dad.

died if I had letters that he wrote me. like I have nothing of his I'm like well. I need something so I what Kim does and. what you do I think that's so beautiful. what made you get into that because my. mom did that I still have like a letter. that my mom my mom even when I was in my. like early 50s my mom would write and. she also was she cut out a lot of. newspaper articles I mean obviously the. ones of me but she would cut out other. things that were just of interest and. she would still mail them to me from Mal. I'm like Mom I'm going to see you before. but like and then say like I'm so proud.

of you love mama or I thought this made. me think of you and you know Nicole. Avant right so her mom and my mom were. very good friends okay and her mom would. cut out all the magazine or newspaper. articles about me Jackie and my mom. would cut out all of the articles about. Nicole and they would send them to us I. love so I would call Nicole and I'd be. like yo did you get that article about. me a packet of stuff oh my gosh I love. that I want to be better it gets easier. as they get older and they don't need. you so much and then you're home by. yourself and nobody's paying attention.

to you and you can write them a letter. Alexa just had a baby my assistant she's. five months and you know at that. beginning you're like God can they get. older so we can do things and then as. soon as that Milestone passes you're. sobbing I know and then after I think. two years old it just goes so fast. because the stages stop fast but it's so. fun when they start talking to you I. mean it's just it really it's a great. ride like even my 19-year-old like he's. 3 hours ahead so every morning after I. text my dad dad then I text my son like. good morning Luke and like probably four.

out of five days a week he'll write back. and be like good morning my mama you. know sometimes he'll call like when he's. on his way it's always when he's on his. way somewhere but it's like a check-in. you if you've seen those Instagram. things all the athletes as they're. coming out of the thing and how often do. you call your mom and they're like every. day every day twice a day whatever I. want my kids to be those kids and they. will be yeah well some I'm like SS like. once a month like I see those right guys. always feel bad and all of the all the. other teammates are like bro you suck. right they're all like what's wrong with.

you and I love that they sort of Shame. the one that's like I never do we're. going to wrap this up with one of your. iconic quotes I don't dress or work out. so people will take a picture of me I do. it because I hope I'm going to get laid. I said that that's yes at least it's. quoted I believe everything that's on. the internet I know I don't remember. saying that um I definitely don't dress. our workout to get a picture taken of me. so let's do it to get laid let's do it. to get laid let's do it to get laid. listen that I work out to get laid I'm.

like someone's going to see this naked. one day and it has to look good one day. have you ever heard that thing that. people are saying like take naked. pictures of yourself right now cuz as. much as you might hate them in 10 years. you'll be like I was hot my mom tells me. that I'm like are you okay can you stop. she's always like you're never going to. look as good as you do true she'll tell. me that she's like wear a bikini like it. could be snowing she's just wear a. bikini I'm like I love you well tell. tell Chris I'm wearing the bikini still. no one not getting laid still wearing a.

bikini neither am I but we're going to. wear that bikini and just say a prayer. well thank you for coming on welc thanks. for having me love you too honey thank. you.