Dana White on UFC, Biohacking and Parenting | Khloé in Wonder Land Ep. 14

Let's go. I flew in from Vegas. Okay. I'm going from here to Austin right. after this. And then from Austin to New York, New. York to Abu Dhabi, Abu Dhabi to London, and then back to Vegas. Oh, I'm exhausted for you. too. Welcome to Chloe in Wonderland. Today's. guest is the one and only Dana White, the unapologetic force behind one of the. biggest sports empires in the world. Why. do you think fighting is so universal? It's just something inside us as human.

beings. We are fascinated by who the. toughest person in the world is. We are. all drawn to it. You don't find out. who's who and what's what until hits the. fan. Here comes COVID, and you're. looking at laying off 38% of the staff. There's no way in hell that I was going. to let that happen. You can only be canceled if you allow. people that you don't give a about to. cancel you. Right. You have a core that you care about that. are your people. I mean, if they cancel. you, that's a whole 'nother story. Right. And then you should. Who gives a whatever everybody else.

thinks. I agree. Thank you for coming all the way from. Vegas. Thanks for having me. I'm so excited. My brother is. so excited. He was telling me all about. your slap boxing and all that kind of. stuff. So, he's. big. your brother in a minute. It's been a.

long time since I've seen your brother. Yeah, probably over 10 years. Oh my god. Yeah, my brother loves to be. a little elusive. So, he is. I call him like the wizard from the. Wizard of Oz, cuz he likes to be behind. the curtain. We all live in the same. gated area, so he lives right next door. to me, but he I we were working out. together. And I said I was going to see you this. week, and he was. browing out for sure, and telling me all. these stats. I'm like, "Okay, well, I'm.

not going to retain all of that." But. he's obsessed with you. But. I am such a fan of yours, but maybe for. different reasons than most of. your normal fans. Like. Thank you. I am such a fan of I think number one. your loyalty just to people. And this is. all from afar. I don't know you on a. personal level. But I think if anyone. pays attention to you or sees clips of. you, your loyalty is unmatched and it. comes through the screen. Well, thank you. Something that I read about you is.

during COVID when everyone was laying. people off, people were losing their. jobs left and right that you were like. it, I'm not. or you, I'm not going to lay anybody. off. Everyone's going to keep their jobs. and if I hurt read correctly, you were. going to take a pay cut in order for. everyone to keep theirs. Not a pay cut. I was going to give up my. salary and bonus. Got it. If I was wrong and we couldn't go. through cuz I was going to go through.

COVID no matter what. And. that actually COVID is the. is the perfect example of of loyalty and. you don't find out who's who and what's. what until it hits the fan. Mhm. Right? We all love each other and we're. here that until you hit hard times. Mhm. In any relationship, you don't find out until you hit hard. times. And sponsors, too. I don't even. want to be with a sponsor. that I'm not aligned with in that you. know. Yeah. in as many ways as possible cuz I had.

some sponsors going through COVID that. were nightmares. Um. you know, and paying us big money, but. absolute nightmares. I wouldn't sign a. deal. with them again if they tripled the. number. Damn. Seriously. Um. Damn. But yeah. So, this after we did The Ultimate. Fighter. the UFC was this rocket ship of success. and you know, we're all working hard and and and and. doing our thing. And we throw these unbelievable. Christmas parties every year for for for.

the team. Um. yeah, it's an HR nightmare. Like I. encourage everybody to get drunk and. have a blast and you know, it it they're. fun. We we've had like. the Red Hot Chili Peppers play at at our. Christmas parties, Snoop, you name them. We've had everybody play and and it's a. blast. And I get up there every year and. tell my team how much I love them and. how much they mean to me and all this. stuff. So then. here comes COVID and you know, probably.

the scariest time in our lifetime. and. you're looking at laying off. 38% of the staff. Yeah. Right? Oh, you love us, but and we're so. important to you and now here's the. scariest time that there's. no way in hell that I was going to let. that happen. No way in hell. We were either going to figure this out. or we were going to all go down. together. So. um yeah, I I put up my my salary and my.

bonus. if I was wrong and and we couldn't make. it through COVID then. you know. then the company didn't take the take. the hit. Your obvious determination and your way, you know how to build a business. Um I really admire that, but also your. family unity. It reminds me so much of. me and my family. Um. your love and loyalty to your kids and. your wife, it's so much how you resemble. so much of my dad to me how he was. viciously with his family.

Well, thank you. And still being able to be a bad badass. businessman. Like that's how my dad was. and I don't know if you get enough. credit for that. I think people talk. about your loyalty. a lot. It's it's It's to me. If you don't have loyalty, what do you. have? I mean, really, what do you have? You can't If you can't trust the people. uh you're around and with and. and uh I'm I mean, my people at UFC, a. lot of them have been been with me for. you know, the the girl who's out in the.

hallway right now, my my my head of PR, has been with me forever. And yeah, we're we're all tight. These are the. people that I work with every day and. travel with and and and do everything. with. And yeah, we're all incredibly. loyal to each other. Loyalty is a. two-way street, so. they've been very loyal to me and I've. been very loyal to them. It is. And but you still have this. presence about you that's like, "Don't. with me.". But I'm going to ride for you if you. ride for me. And how do you find that. balance? Huh? Or what is that balance?

I don't know. It's I I think that. I think that anything in life, like, you. see a lot of these people that. that work for companies. and you give so much of yourself uh. when you work. Time, energy, um. sacrifice, things you miss, you know, everybody has. their things in their life, whether it's. your kids, you miss the first step, you. miss plays, you miss practices, you miss. games,

all these things for, you know, you have. to make a living, but you're doing it. for this company. And you start to feel. a sense of loyalty to either the people. you work for, the place you work for, whatever it is. And when that loyalty. isn't reciprocated, it's a feeling. Mhm. Like, my offices in Vegas, I have this massive closet in there with. all my clothes and all my, you know, all. you that you want, whether you want to. change or you work out or you do.

whatever. I have crazy gym, spa, you know, I do all this you know, cold plunging and sauna. I literally the. whole setup there. I have the entire. setup at my house, too, so there's never. any excuses on. why you can't do it. Um, but you spend. most of your time. at work. Right. You at least want to love the people. that you go to work with every day and. you know, yeah, hopefully you care about. them in some way, shape or form and they. feel the same way about you. it shows with the people you have around. you. I think especially the longevity.

cuz that's what you were saying. You. have people around you for such a long. time. And I don't know if this will make. sense, but to me I also think it's cuz. you're from the East Coast. Like I feel. like there is a difference in East Coast. men versus West Coast men. Right. I think that. I was married to a New. Yorker and it's just a different vibe. and energy. Yeah, I'm lucky because I got the best. of both worlds. I I I. had East Coast and West Coast growing. up, so.

Right. Um, yeah, I wouldn't change that in a. million years. I'm really lucky that I. had both. Yeah, I I think it's the best. I really. do. Your. family unity and like your love for your. kids. You have two sons and a daughter, correct? Yeah, how old are your kids? So my boys are 22 and 23 and my. daughter's 18. Um, That poor daughter. Yeah, no, it's good for her. She's. No, it's great for her. She's well protected. That's what I mean. It's great for her, but I don't know if I would want to be.

between 16 to 20 being your kid or. having brothers. I'm sure your sons are. viciously protected. Yeah, built-in security. I love it. Uh, it's it's perfect. It couldn't. worked out any better that you know, I. had two boys older than her and and then. uh, you know, my wife had a tubular. pregnancy. Mhm. So her tube burst and her other. tube was kinked and and they said that. she couldn't have any more kids. So we.

had two boys. We were we we were good. You know, um, and then we were in Cabo and she didn't. feel good and and she was feeling sick. And uh it ended up she was pregnant with. my daughter, so yeah. And and me and my. daughter are super tight. We just flew. to uh uh my she's going to the. University of Miami, so. Oh, nice. Yeah. So, we just went and toured the campus on. Monday. And uh yeah, she's living down in San. Diego. She loves it down there. She She.

we were on vacation. in Italy and she busts out with I want. to move to San Diego and go to. Cathedral. Oh, no way. Yeah. And you just let her go? Uh well, we looked into it and liked it. and it it was actually a great move. She. She She ended up doing her last 2 years. of high school there. She loved the. school. She loved the teachers, um the. kids. It was uh. it was the right move. My mom's from La Jolla, so I'm familiar. with San Diego. I love it down there. It's so nice down there. is. I think that's To me, if you can, I.

think that's amazing that she took that. step for high school cuz now she's going. to go to another state, but she's close. enough to be. you know, closer to you than all the way. in Florida, so that's still I'm not I. have a My daughter will be 7 in April. and I'm not ready. Yeah, I know. You're never ready. It's. It's weird when the when the house. starts to empty out and you lose a. certain energy. in the house, but. Well, your boys don't live with you, or. do they? No, the the boys are both gone. My. oldest lives in Boston now.

He moved to Boston. He's working for uh. Fanatics. Nice. And and he's going to uh go to grad. school out there. And then um my younger. son actually is into anime. and he did a comic uh that that's coming. out with Dark Horse. Oh, that's so cool. the end of this year, so. That's so cool. Well, congratulations on. all of them. Thank you. going to be an empty nester. Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm. a couple months away. That's a trip. Yeah, I don't know if I'm. going to like being an empty nester.

Yeah. You won't. I can guarantee it. I won't. You you and your whole family live in. the same cul-de-sac. You're definitely. not going to like being empty nesters. I'll probably shave my head and go nuts. or something or buy a ton of animals. Or buy the houses next door to you and. then live there. Well, what I think I'm doing now is I'm. sort of brainwashing my kids to think. this is normal to live next to your mom. So then when I'm old enough they're just. going to think this is what you're. supposed to do. Yeah, that's awesome. A little brainwashing is fine. There's nothing wrong with that. No.

And and it's awesome that you have a. tight family when you think about the. fact that you guys film together, work. together, do everything together and. still have such a great relationship. It's amazing. We have our moments that we want to kill. each other, but we always come back. Yes. And that's something that our dad. really instilled in us. My dad's. Armenian and I really think there's a. lot of that culture that's. just embedded in you. Like doesn't. matter. You figure it out. You never like the. people that are like I haven't spoke to. my sister in 3 years. Like that would.

never be us. Right. It's just not an option for us. And then. when my dad died my mom still instilled. the same ethics and morals that my dad. was building in us. Is your mom Armenian? No. No. But she definitely took on. the Armenian culture as much. My grandma. made sure of that. Yeah. Awesome. For your your confidence and your. loyalty, where do you think you got that. from? I don't know. Yeah, listen I had a my.

mom was crazy. We're sitting here. talking about family. My mom was nuts. Uh. and my dad was never around. So I think that that me and my sister uh. grew up fast. You know, we we we sort of. we were home alone a lot cuz we had a. single mom who was a nurse. Um. she worked a lot. And uh you know you know, we we we grew. up in the '80s when uh. uh. you know. it was a lot different growing up then.

than it is now. Yeah. my parents were obviously much different. parent My my kids were never allowed to. sleep anywhere. Go sleep over anybody's. house or any of that. Any of that kind of So, uh. me and my sister did whatever we wanted. to. We we you know, we had to come home. and. do our chores and that kind of stuff and. then uh. but we were pretty much on our own. So, I think that. we grew up a lot faster than. than my kids. Mhm. Definitely did. Why? So, I don't let my kids sleep.

anywhere. I'm very strict about it. Times are different. So, I won't let my. daughter or my son, who's 2 and 1/2, but. they're not allowed to have sleepovers. just because I'm one of those type of I. just I think too much. I've watched too. much Dateline. I get Yeah, exactly. So, I know you don't sugarcoat really. anything, which is why I love you. But, what is something that people waste too. much time worrying about that you don't. think they should? Hm. It's a great question. I love. solving.

Yes. problems. I love coming up with. solutions to. You're very solution-based. Yeah. That's my whole deal. That is very much my mom, and I think. that quality in people. can't really be learned. I think you're. born like that. Yeah. And you just innately have this desire. to always figure out. Yeah. And you you you have to love to. get in the pocket and. love stress and it's it's a it's a very. sick weird thing. It's like if. everything's going too smooth, I sort of.

have to shake up and. create more problems. Well, knowing that you're that type of. person, do you think you're ever going. to retire? No. Right. No. I don't think so, either. imagine it. I can't imagine my mom retiring, either. I think you. need that stimulation mentally. And I also think that once people do. retire and you've your brain isn't. working, that's when you your body. really slows down. It's true. I I've heard that. I don't. know that for a fact, but I've heard it. And uh. you know, when you think talk about.

retiring and me retiring, I'm taking on. more every day instead of retiring. It's. like. um. like the UFC isn't enough. That's that's. not enough of a job to do. Um now I'm doing, you know, like your. brother told you. Power Slap. I got uh boxing now. Was in boxing meetings all day. yesterday. Um. yeah, so the. keep piling it on. I love it. Yeah, I think the more the better and it. keeps you distracted from life and just. keeps you going. I think people who work.

more like if they love to work, if it's. healthy for them mentally, that they. live longer. Well, you know this, too. You've. taken your health serious over the last. several years. That's a full-time job. I mean, you you you start cold plunging. and sauna and all the other biohacking. I mean, it eats up half your day. Half your day? Are you I love. biohacking. too. Oh my god, the that we have access to. now. It's incredible. I heard you see Dr. Gary from Florida? Uh yeah, Gary Brecka. Yeah. Yeah.

Um I've met with him a few times. I. think when we're in town he gives us IVs. and stuff, but. think you guys had him before I before I. ever met him. You guys were working with. him. smart. Biohacking. I met with um Brian Johnson. Do you know who he is? Guy spends like 2 million bucks a year. biohacking. But yes, but to pick his brain and see. what he does, it's. truly his full-time job and it's. incredible. That's when it becomes obsessive, you. know what I mean? I I feel like I'm. obsessive right now. That's He's a whole. 'nother level.

Um. when you're living to try to live. longer. Yeah, no, it's not. obtainable like that's not realistic for. my day-to-day. Me, neither. But everyone's different, but it's. fascinating what he does and it's just. it's what we have the opportunities to. do. It's so true. The the the knowledge that. we have now that they didn't have 25. years ago. Right. Is fascinating. Yeah, I love it. And I'm not. I'm not really trying to live.

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Well, no. What I found out is that he he. could tell you. Got it. how long you could live. Then I became. obsessed with that. I just wanted to. know how long I was going to live. But then that could be changed. Yes. Okay. Exactly. He gave me 10.4 years. That's horrible. Yeah. Yeah, but but definitely on point. I mean, I was I was. I was a mess. Really? Yeah, I was a mess. I was a mess and uh. now me and my wife when we think about. the 10.4 years, we're like. it was probably earlier than that. I.

mean, I I had real bad sleep apnea. Right. Like I'd wake up choking in the middle. of the night and like that, my. legs. I could barely put my shoes on. Oh, that's horrible. Stuff like that. Yeah. I I was a mess. And and and you go see. doctors and the answer to to to all the. problems is. different pills or more pills or you. know, now I'm on no pills. Which isn't doing. Right. What is your favorite like. biohacking treatment? Well, I'm addicted to cold plunging. I. mean, every morning when I get up I cold. plunge sauna.

I can't That's the one thing I'm such a. at the cold plunge. Really? Brad like. talk about that. Brad will do it. I can't do it. A lot of people It's funny how how how. tough it is for a lot of people. In the. In the beginning when you first start, but then it becomes an absolute. addiction like. you you got to know somebody that can't. start their day without coffee, right? Mhm. I I can't start my day without cold. plunge. plunge. I do, I feel like As soon as I. land anywhere. I go right to a cold plunge. Like I'm.

flying from here to Austin. Mhm. I'll have a cold plunge in Austin. Oh, that's amazing. It's they say it's. better for you even than sauna. The cold plunge. People are now saying. it's the best thing for you. It's just. hard to get in that water. it's it's legit. I'm I'm at a point now. no matter where I go. It could be 35. degrees. It could be 50 degrees. It. doesn't bother me at all. Oh, my. I can I can do I can do any temperature. Yeah, I love it. God, you really are a beast. It's. amazing. What is.

an insane behind-the-scenes. story with some fighters? Oh, man. I mean, there's been so I've. been doing this for I've been in the. business for 30 years. I've been doing. this for like 25 years, but. there's there's so many crazy stories. I. mean, this business. the behind-the-scenes is is where all. the crazy happens and negotiations and. um interactions with these guys. Um. fight night backstage, you know, when.

the when crazy happens. Uh I I don't know if there's any one. crazy thing that stands out in my mind. other than like the Conor situation in. New York when he. uh attacked the bus that Khabib and. those guys were on. Uh probably the. craziest thing that's ever happened. And. a couple of Diaz brothers. incidents which we've which are all. public. I mean, they fought and then. they got to the hospital. They went to. the same hospital and they ended up. fighting in the hospital. Which is probably the craziest story in.

the in the history of the of the sport, let alone. uh. you know, the UFC. Do you feel like you are sort of like a. godfather / father to these guys? Also a. therapist, also not like a babysitter, but I feel like your position you play. so many roles. That's not just. you. When the company was younger, um yes. Um when we were building the company, you know, I had these relationships with. the guys that would and girls, too. I.

mean, me and Ronda Rousey uh. Yeah, that was It was different than. than it is now that it's so much bigger. Mhm. But, the answer was yes. Uh it was very. much like that in the early days. Would you ever want your sons to be. fighters? Uh my sons or my daughter, if if if. that's what they wanted to do. I I. always tell, you know, I'm not one of. these guys like oh, I want my kids to be. a doctor or a lawyer or any of that. I just want my kids to be happy. Right. And and you know better than anybody,

whatever gets you up in the morning, whatever makes you happy, it could be. pumping gas. I. I could give a. Whatever makes you happy. is what I want you to do. And if it was. fighting, I would absolutely support it. Why do you think fighting is so. universal? Why do you think it's like. especially during COVID when everything. was shut down and you saw what a peak it. made and how it's on the up and up. Like, why do you think it's such a. universal sport that people. It's a great question.

It It's just something inside us as. human beings. We get fighting and we. like it. And we are fascinated by who. the toughest person in the world is. We. are all drawn to it. And I mean, if you. think of. Tyson in his peak, when that guy would. walk into a room. the whole place would go, "Holy There's. Mike Tyson." No other sport has that. You know, you'd be excited, "Oh, there's. Michael Jordan or or or whoever." But, when when. when one of those guys walk in the room. and they're looked at as the baddest.

human being on the planet. men, women, everybody is just drawn to. it. They are. And what I do notice in other. sports is they're sort of fair-weather. They will be up someone's ass if. someone's winning, if they won a. championship, but as soon as they lose, they boo them, they throw at them. And you don't get the same, from what I. see, in fighting. Well, what's fascinating about other. sports is even those other athletes look. up to, you know, the Tyson like guys, you know. Do you have one that you cuz I know you.

started off in boxing, but do you have. one that you prefer more than the other? Sport? No, no, no. I like all types of. fighting. I mean, I'm doing. slapping now. I mean, that's just I like. it all. If somebody's hitting somebody else, I'm. in. And that you I read something, I think. it was in your Time article, that that. has more success at the beginning than. It's it's. UFC is. successful thing I've ever been a part. of in such a short amount of time. Is that not crazy?

Crazy. That's crazy. It's crazy. Um. and you know, it's incredibly viral. So, I mean, the numbers that this thing. pulls on social media is insane. That's just People just want to see. people slapping the out of someone. Apparently. Something that I think is really. fascinating is your TV show that started. in 2005, The Ultimate Fighter, and it's. still running. And you attribute the success of the UFC. partially because of the reality show.

No, 100% because of the reality show. It's. At the time, we couldn't get on. television. The UFC now when when I I. try to tell this story, it's hard to. explain, but. this thing was so um I mean, it was. illegal in some places. That's how bad. it was. Think about this. As a grown adult, you didn't have the. right to buy it on pay-per-view. Porn. was on pay-per-view. Wow. The UFC was not allowed on pay-per-view. And when did that change? After The Ultimate Fighter. Once we got.

The Ultimate Fighter on um Spike TV, and uh. you know, it it it blew up and and you. know, did massive numbers, then we got. back on pay-per-view and and that's how. the business really got rolling. That's crazy. Yeah. And the show's still on now? Mhm. I literally just filmed it. yesterday. Yesterday was the last. shooting day. uh. for for the 20 It's the 20th. anniversary. Wow. Yeah, 20 years the show's been on. That's crazy. Congratulations. Thanks. I don't think people realize how massive.

that is. Like how successful something. has to be TV-wise. to stay on for 20 years. on for 20 years. Especially now when. everyone wants to do a show. Everyone. will do anything. It's so true. to be in front of that camera. And you have YouTube now and social. media and. um all these disruptors from And and. you know, uh linear television dying. Did you think by selling that TV show it. would have an impact on the UFC? Yeah, we hoped it would. We we we always. felt like if we could get this on free.

television then the rest of the world. would see it for what we. Right. saw in it and and and we thought it. would be very popular. And I always. believed that this would work everywhere. all around the world. So when you talk about I I used to have. this, you know, when I grew up there was. channel 3, channel 5, channel 8, and. channel 13. Mhm. Then in high school cable came it was. like 33 channels. Then satellite. Um but. I always believed that.

there would be a day where everybody. around the world would be able to watch. the same channel at the same time, you. know, and and now that's happening. So I. believe that in the next, you know, 6 7. 10 years there will be a channel 3, channel 5, channel 8, and channel 13. globally. Mhm. Who's it going to be? Is it going to be. Amazon, YouTube, Disney? You know, we'll. see how that plays out, but when you. think about what I've told you about. fighting. what's the ceiling on this business? Right.

8 billion people. There's 8 billion. people in the world. And your belief has always been. regardless at the beginning when you. were losing money, you never lost focus. in what you believed this company would. be. Right. And. Everything in life is about timing, you. know? Um we knew we had the right. the right um. the right product. the right people that were involved, but. was the timing right for it? But not everyone would hold out the way. you did.

Like you're I think you're. you're being very humble about your. belief and your determination that this. just your confidence in the brand and. the company. Um well, I I I literally don't get. involved in anything that I don't. believe. Yeah. And you know what I mean? I don't get. paid to do anymore except. work UFC shif, you know? You couldn't. pay me to. promote this. this book or or or whatever. I I. wouldn't do it. I'd I'd only.

get involved in things that I truly. believe in and that I'm. really passionate about. I love that. And I think people. know that. And I think now. so many people are so privy to that. People get paid to do half the that they. it's like they could smell blood. They. know when it's. True. And the more that you water yourself. down just the less authentic and. believable you're going to be. I agree 100%. Have you ever been. screwed over by like one of your.

employees or someone that you've trusted. and then regretted that? The when when. they talk about canceling people, like. getting canceled. it's always fascinating to me because. who cancels you? Like you live in a. cul-de-sac with your entire family. Right? That's all you give a about. Yeah. Who's going to cancel you? Some other. that you could give a about that. don't like you or going to say whatever. I mean, you got you have a core of.

people that are in your life. The those. are the only people that can cancel you. I agree. Who Who a what everybody else thinks or. what their opinions are? And it go but blows over. Like you only. get canceled if you allow. like when those people like, "Okay." And. then they're they're going to rehab the. next day. Shut the up. You didn't. even do something big enough to go to. your fake rehab. That's what that is is. just to pretend like you're being. accountable for something you're not. even sorry for. That's normally what. that is. If you're like you and you. ignore the internet for 2 days,

So true. that cancellation period is done. And anybody else that that that that. doesn't like something you did or said. or how you lived your life or whatever. your deal is. Uh. yeah, you can only be canceled if you. allow. people that you don't give a about to. cancel you. Right. You have a core or a group of people. that you care about that you interact. with every day that are your people, right? I mean, if they cancel you, that's a. whole 'nother story. Right. And then you should. Who gives a what everybody else thinks? agree. So, what would you say is the.

most pivotal moment in your life that. changed you for the better? Yeah, there's a couple you know, there's. there's there's a couple that stand out. in my mind. It's funny, this full circle. moment happened to me. Have you ever. heard of the movie Vision Quest? No. So, it was a a movie in the '80s with. Matthew Modine. It's a wrestling movie. It's like a. wrestling Rocky movie. Okay. But it has. all these really. incredible elements in the movie that. completely spoke to me when I was 15.

years old. And they just invited me It's the 40th. anniversary. Oh, no way. And it was in Spokane, Washington where. it was filmed. And I flew there on. um. Sunday. And and and they did the they had the. film. It's like a thousand people there. And my son My sons watched the movie. like 400 times when they were growing. up. But my daughter had never seen it. So, we flew there. We went to the 40th. anniversary thing. And and Matthew. Modine was there. And the guy who taught. him how to wrestle for the movie.

Um but that movie was a was a very. um, pivotal moment in in my life. Um, and right around that same time, we lived in Vegas and there was this. who lived behind us. You know, single. mom with two little kids. And he he used to. torture us, man. Always with us and and. and doing stuff. And then one day I was sitting at the. kitchen table and I heard somebody. yelling.

And I realized it was him yelling at my. mom. She was out back cleaning the pool. And. I realized it was him yelling over the. wall at my mother. And then that day I just snapped. Rightfully so. And I ran out back and I jumped up on. the wall and I said, "If you ever stick. your head over this wall again and da da. da da da, I'm going to beat the out of. you.". And the guy literally we never heard. from him ever again. You know, a 15-year-old kid. Yeah. All the years that he was messing with a. single mom and her two little kids.

That was the day that like. I you know, I don't want to say that's. the day I became a man or any crazy like. that, but. everything changed after that day. Yeah, it it it was weird. But that that one. moment stands out in in my mind in my. life when, you know, I was growing up. Cuz I remember thinking this guy would. do so much crazy. when when we were growing up and we were. little. I was just always like, "If my dad was. here, my dad would beat the out of this. guy.".

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I met my wife in eighth grade. Um I went. to a school called St. Viator's in in. in Vegas my eighth grade year, and uh. that's where we met. And did you know in eighth grade you. were going to marry her? Uh no. No, I definitely didn't know. that, but you know, we we were friends. all through high school. We we never. dated. We were We were really good. friends. And then um um. I moved back to Boston. um after we graduated.

Lived there for almost 10 years. And. then when I came back to Vegas, she picked me up at the airport, and. we've been together ever since. I love that. That was 19. 95. I love that. Wow. Yeah. So what? 30 years? Yeah, almost 30 years. Yeah. I went to home school, so it took me a. second to figure out. Let me count. That's funny. What type of parenting style do you. have? I think I know, but. Um.

I'm I'm I'm actually really laid-back. with a lot of stuff. Yeah. Um not so. much with my daughter, but. Right. with my sons, I'm I'm very laid-back. Yeah. I believe I. to do things that she doesn't get to do. I believe, and I think people might hate. me for this, but I think there's a. double standard, but for the right. reasons. 100%. Yeah. I agree with you 100%. I don't want my daughter to be doing the. same things my son's going to do. I could not agree with you more. Thank you. And you know what? I'm lucky because. my my daughter doesn't disagree. She.

She's been really easy. She's been. awesome. Yeah. I I love I really lucked. out with her, so. yeah, it's been good. Her and I have. really good relationship. I pray that's what I mean I My. daughter's amazing. She's my best. friend, but I pray we have an easy. teenage. is she now? She'll be seven. Yeah. I have time, but I was a terrorist as a. teenager. Stole cars, snuck out. I did. whatever. I didn't need to. I just was a. badass kid. So I'm like I don't want my.

karma. Yeah. I feel like I've had enough bad I feel. like I've had bad karma in life for. other areas that like I'm good now. You know what? I I was. a crazy kid, too, but I I never tell my sons any of those. stories or any of that stuff. So. problem. That Don't tell them. Don't don't tell the kids. any ideas. 100%. When I grew up, I got had a real job. I. worked I started as a teenager like. working at the ice cream shop, and then. it was a clothing store, and I had real. jobs before this world. And I know you.

worked at as a hotel bellman. Yep. And construction, and I I did all. the got to have all those jobs, and. that's the hard part about. when you when you when you make money. like my younger son Aiden, he didn't. want to go to college. Mhm. So, I said, "Okay, but you're going to. work.". Mhm. So, he actually had to go out and start. putting in applications. He was living. out here in California. And uh. he I I had him going to like In-N-Out. Burger. Long story short, he ended up. getting a job at U-Haul.

Mhm. And he he hated that job. Hated that. job. But, those are the you have to have that. experience. You have to know it's like. dating. You got to know what a bad experience is. to find out what a good experience is, right? Agreed. So, um. when you have these jobs, what they really what they really teach. you is what you don't want to do. This. is what you don't want to do. Um. but it's hard, you know?

So, you do encourage your kids to get. Kardashian going to go out and start. putting in applications at U-Haul, you. know? Well, But, like I tell her now, I'm like, "What do. you think your job's going to be when. you're a teenager?" Like, I like to. embed that in her. Like, are you going. to be a waitress? I don't know. What do. you want to do? But, my mom made me at. my first job when I was for besides the. ice cream shop on in summer, I had to. clean clothing store bathrooms. And that. was cuz I was too young to be out on the. floor. They didn't trust me. And like.

cleaning someone's toilets, I was like, "What is Why is my mom making me do. this?" But, Right. now, I thank my mom every day. I'm like, "Thank God she made me do that.". No, it's true. You have to have that. And that's what I was saying too with me. and my sister. When we were growing up, like we were we. were my mom's slaves. We used to have to. do the you know, we did our own laundry, we cleaned the house. I used to have to I swear to god. I I'd be mowing the lawn and I'm like. when I grow up. I'm going to make enough money so I. never have to mow another lawn again in.

my life. And I hated. I hated mowing the lawn. I had to trim. the bushes and. all that I was a landscaper. And I. swear to god I said I'm never doing this. when I get older. I'm this is never. going to happen. But these are the kind. of experiences you have to have when. you're younger. And it's and it's it's. uh. it's definitely what freaked me out too. in raising kids. I was like, my kids can never grow up. the way I grew up. I grew up under.

way different circumstances. than than. than my kids did. And and and it's just. impossible for your kids to have the. same experiences. But it's even impossible in ways like. we were dropped off at the mall or the. movie theaters. Like they can't even do. those things alone anymore. So their. experiences are limited in even social. interactions now. You left the house and went out and. played all day and didn't come back till. the street lights came on. That. just doesn't exist anymore. My brother and I were saying, do you. remember how we would play in like a.

water reservoir? But we loved it. It was. Riding our bikes down the main streets. and and and like it's incredible that. that so many kids from the 80s are still. alive. It's it's insane. Dana, thank you so much for coming all. the way from Vegas. I mean, your. schedule is crazy. You would love my. sister Kim because she flies just as. much as you do. I bet she does. Yeah, I know you guys. are animals, man. I I respect how hard. you guys work. And people don't get it. You'll always have people talking a. bunch of do-nothing, know-nothing people.

that talk. Having cameras in your faces growing up. the way you did. all the time. It's it's it's It's a. nightmare. That's You know, I do this. much with our reality show that we do. Um. you guys are a whole 'nother level. And. And. people don't realize how hard you guys. work. Thank you. Yeah, congrats on all your success. Thank you. Yeah, you started 2005, we. started 2006-7. Yeah. So, right around the same time. personal space, in your house, and in.

your cars, and in your in your personal. life. Tough. Not easy. It's a lot, but. somehow we just get closer and closer. Yeah. Well, thank you. Congrats. Thank you.