Willow Smith & Jahnavi ON: The Law Of Vibration EXPLAINED (Raise Your Frequency) | Jay Shetty

i think the the real difference is. bringing that. um ancient vibration to it that. isn't just coming from me it's coming. from generations and generations. of of deeply spiritual individuals. um who have carried this on and i think. you know. feeling that is is the biggest. difference for me. because it's not just me coming up with. [Music]. something.

hey everyone welcome back to on purpose. the number one health podcast. in the world thanks to each and every. single one of you i'm so grateful that. you come back. every single week to listen learn and. grow. and today is a very special episode for. a million reasons i'm going to start. with a couple to get going with. this is the first time that radhi and i. are going to do an interview together. yeah. so this is fun and there's a special. special reason for why we're doing it. together. because today we're interviewing two of.

our dearest friends. incredibly talented the most creative. who have launched. a brand new ep called rise. which we cannot wait for you to hear it. is none. other than willow and genevieve harrison. thank you for having us thank you this. is exciting. we're so grateful to be with both of you. and uh. sounds like a plan but uh i'm so excited. to have you both here we're both so. excited to have you.

have you here and just excited to. just have this whole energy here which. we have anyway all day long. yes and so why not bring it into an. interview. so rodney's going to go with the first. question actually i am. going to get my profession. on okay so willow and janavi. tell me uh. tell me about the first time you guys. made your music together oh. well that would be surrender yeah i just.

have to put it out there i was super. nervous. the first time we got in the studio. together because. you know listening to your music and. seeing you doing kirtan it was. a level of like channeling. that i had never seen another musician. have and so i was just like wanting to. be worthy. like so badly to be able to make music. with you. so that was my that was my initial. emotion. um when we first started making music.

together i was probably feeling the same. way. it was actually such a magical. experience and. um just as it worked out i was only in. la for. about i think like eight nine days and. we only. managed to actually get together in the. studio the night before. i was flying out so we knew we had like. six hours or so or actually we had as. much time as we wanted but. we could only meet in the evening so we. were like okay there's only so long. we're gonna go for.

and but there was just such a special. energy actually we had met up and we had. practiced something and i was nervous. too because. i find the studio can be a lot of. pressure and. especially when there's not like a idea. that's already set. exactly we didn't have a finished. composition or anything but i think both. of us. were just feeling excited to work. together and we were like. let's just see what happens let's just. have fun with this and if it's not. anything we'll just have had a fun. experience and we can work on it another.

time and we got so absorbed in it. and it just was flowing and and i. remember that. you know it was around midnight when we. finished we were like okay let's let's. listen to the whole thing now. and we were just standing there and. willa was like we were like. we're delirious at this point yeah we. were sick we were tired but we were we. were just. and then we came out of the studio and. we're like what was that what just. happened that was. so beautiful and that it was just so. natural yeah.

so um and it's very rare that i have. those kind of like. synergistic is that a word yeah yeah um. experiences with other artists because. artists are so um. i know i'm very opinionated and i have. uh very outlandish ideas and sometimes. the push and pull of that can be kind of. um uncomfortable but for me and. genevieve it was like. second nature from yeah from the start. it felt like old friends and a. and even though we were so different in.

many ways. we there was just this feeling of ease. and understanding which is. it's like that's what you always hoped. for in collaboration with other artists. so. yeah we were like we have to do this. again. [Laughter]. i love that the reason it's so special. as well is that radhia and i. both absolutely adore you individually. in your own music. so like we would be in a car yeah we'd. be playing and listening to you willa. yeah like we'd just be listening to your. music. and then i've known genevieve now for 15. years and so i've.

always been attracted to her music and. and the way she creates. and how devotional it is and so for us. to see you both together. it's just it's it's so fulfilling so i. want to ask you both and we're going to. uncover all the layers as we go along. but i also just before you. start i also just want to thank you both. yes for bringing us together round of. applause. you guys were meant to meet either way. like whether it was through us or. whether it was through another way there. was a hundred percent. like you guys were meant to meet this.

was meant to happen. and um everybody needed this in their. life so i think. it was just happened to be us but it. would have been. somewhere somehow it would have happened. because but but i think. you you need to take credit some credit. because. it's because of what you do. if you don't want to take god. you're both such special people that you. you attract such. wonderful souls all around you and. you're always i think.

it's probably going to happen throughout. your lives that you're making these. beautiful connections so. yeah we were both we always talk about. that we're so grateful that you. introduced us it's just selfish really. because i really wanted some like new. music. no thank you you guys are both really. sweet we love you for that and. we're we're loving seeing both of your. collaboration and friendship and our. friendship or blossoming. because of this devotional connect that. we all have and.

i want to ask you what did you what have. you both. learned from each other in this process. and it can be musical or non-musical it. can be anywhere you want to go with it. a lot of things yeah i'll say. i i feel i've learned so much from. willow i think one of the one of the. very obvious things about the process of. working together. was our different um just different like. pace and way of approaching creative. work. um and willow's obviously had so much.

more experience. as a recording artist um as a. composer you know you've you've recorded. so much and composed your own written. your own songs. and for me um even though i have. recorded music. it's still it's still something i get. very nervous about because most of what. i do. is is sort of live meditation. experiences. so we hadn't worked together that much. apart from that one song so i didn't. really know. willow's sort of style and pace.

production yeah. and the first day i was like i was taken. aback i was like. wow willow's was so confident about. you know what she's looking for and the. sound and also fast pace. and i i tend to be quite slow too slow. sometimes like people are always. wanting me to make decisions faster so. although it was like. by the end of it i was like wow this has. really. pushed me creatively in such a wonderful. way. initially i was like you know i know i.

was. i was trying to like not in a bad way. not in a scary way but it was just like. you know when you. you just like oh okay i'm gonna be. growing here i'm gonna learn something. here yeah yeah it take me up a gear um. but i love that i. you know i i was sharing with someone. the other day that. willow's approach is so i feel it's the. ideal. artistic approach which is which is to. be thank you. yeah it's it's to be um curious.

and not overly controlling of the. of the end results like it's really to. discover. for the studio to be at space of. exploration rather than like. i want to have this specific thing and. it can't be anything other than that. it's it's a very playful and curious. approach and i think i can tend to be. more focused on like okay but it has to. be. just like this so yeah but by the end of. it i just felt like. wow i'm ready to be just more fearless.

and and creating and more open to what i. could discover. that's just one thing there's many more. but i love. it i think you know i would even almost. say. like the inverse like i i. felt in times that i was overshooting. and like kind of getting lost in the oh. but what about this and we could do this. and maybe it's this then like. i felt like jonavi was really. instrumental in like kind of bringing. grounding me.

and being like okay what's the intention. behind this like i know you like that. sound but. why are we using that sound you know. what i mean like what's the intent where. does that sound go in the song what is. that sound going to say. like what's the intention of this so. like your intentionality with everything. you might think that it's sometimes a. hindrance but i think it's a blessing. because. you know you know in your heart of. hearts what every. single instrument and every single lyric. means to you. um and you're not just throwing things. at the wall like let's see if this.

sticks and maybe. this you know what i mean and i think. those two approaches. um they just complete each other in a. really nice way. um as they say opposites attract yes and. i think that. this was a case of that yeah what do you. guys feel both of you together and. individually what was your. intention for the music that you were. creating together. i always want my music to. bring people closer to themselves make. them. feel like they're learning something or.

there or. there's a thought that's being planted. that grows over time and. listening to janavi's music that's. exactly how i felt and then. seeing it live it was like. okay how can i just bottle this yeah. just to like i just want to have this. obviously it's that's the beautiful. nature of it because you can't bottle it. and you can't just have it that's why. it's beautiful. but um you know i think that going into. it that was my and i had never made a.

devotional album before. so i was even extra excited to explore. that different part of me and what i. could do. with with this new you know with this. new path in my life i think also. just just speaking from having heard you. do it. and just hearing you talk about it when. we're all having lunch or when we're. hanging out and just. i feel like your intention was so pure. for it. like from the moment that you first. heard devotional music i remember the. first time. it was we were doing a session and then.

i was like oh crap. i can't sing and then and. radhi can sing but she chooses not to. and then we were like oh let's play. janavi on on our phone. and then that's the first time we all. meditate in that way then there's willow. on the floor. yeah i know i'm just like oh my goodness. like just fully with your heart open. like ready to receive and that's the one. thing about you like. and actually on that note when you were. even thinking about doing this album. i feel like from what jeremy has told me.

and even experiencing from you you. wanted to get things so right. so whether it was your pronunciation or. whether it was like oh what does this. word actually mean. like oh how is this word used like you. really want to. understand the depths you're not just. trying to and that's a journey. yeah i i want it to continue and i want. to keep nourishing that. um because just through this music i've. i've found such a deep love for just the. bhakti tradition. in general um and i'm just so excited to.

just dive deeper into that and and learn. more and just. just broaden my horizon in my in my in. that devotional sense. which is so beautiful like you want. depth you don't just want you know just. like oh this sounds really good. exactly you know you really wanted to. understand it and feel it in you. so that other people can feel it. definitely and i think that makes a. difference like both of you feel it so. deeply and you've experienced it. in different ways so you're trying to. share that experience with other people. but you can only share an experience. that you've had yourself exactly.

um and so i think you really feel that. through both of your music and through. your words and it comes from your heart. so. but i haven't heard from you your turn. no i think that definitely that was our. desire to. to try to capture the essence of. what that is this this experience with. mantra with sacred sound. and share it in a way that makes it. that little bit more accessible for. people who haven't experienced it before. so that's manifest in the form of you.

know these songs like the typical mantra. session might be. like half an hour or an hour and you're. singing the same thing over and over. again that might be very daunting for. someone who's never experienced that. before so one of our mantra tracks is. two minutes long and. and and some of our songs are you know. touching on stories or themes from the. bhakti tradition but they're. more in a kind of typical song format. with you know a couple verses a bridge. like that so it's something. familiar but it's conveying something of.

this. uh deep authentic tradition and so i i. think it's very natural that when. something profoundly affects your life. and touches your heart and is is offers. a space of shelter and upliftment. you want to share it with other people. so that's what we we want to just. give it as a gift you know if we can and. i. i really treasure the fact that we both. had that same intention. and it makes working on anything just a. complete.

joy yeah because you feel you feel so. aligned and. you know and that trust was really there. like we both knew our intentions. and so you know trying to do things over. long distance because of covid. and you know having to make decisions. maybe without one another because of. time. differences and you know that trust was. always there because we knew that our. intentions were the same. yeah which is also probably why what you. were saying before about how. your differences actually didn't make a. difference in a negative way.

because you both have such a deep-rooted. intention that even if. i'm not saying that even if there was. something like oh gosh like. exactly but as soon as you take yourself. back to the intention you guys are like. oh. and there were a couple of those things. yeah there were naturally. yeah which could bring feuds to people. but because of how deep-rooted. everything was for you. it kind of just didn't hit that strongly. yeah we. we just we just had to talk it through i. remember we had a long phone call. because we were trying to do. we were trying to do creative things. over over long distance and there were.

other artists that were involved and. you know we just had to call each other. and just be like man like. yeah this is really hard. and that was that was really healing for. both of us i feel. um just to be able to express that to. one another and to be able to like kind. of come back and be like this is why. we're doing this. let's not stress about something in a. material sense um. because that's not why we're doing it. anyway so. that was a good convo yeah yeah that was. wonderful and and even i was i would say.

even. in terms of the musicality of what we. were doing like. you know willow was was taking the role. of producer and um. and i i know i it takes me a lot to sort. of sometimes break out of the box of the. sound of what i. what i do which is often rooted quite in. the traditional. uh origins of the kirtan tradition so um. i remember we were playing with. different sounds and with. you know kind of bass sounds and. electronic sounds and. and willow was getting so excited on the.

little sampler. and i was and i was just sitting behind. her like okay let's see where this goes. but i always you know initially i was. like okay let's see but then i really. felt a sense of trust because i knew. as we've said that we were both aiming. for people to have this. um heart connection with the music so i. was like i'm going to see where will it. takes it and i trust you know we're both. aiming for the same space and that's a. beautiful thing. there were a lot of things that at first. seemed to you to be like oh.

that sound is a little deep that's a. deep bass yeah. and i'm like but trust me people are. gonna hear this and go. oh it's gonna hit right in their chest. and then you hear it and then you're. like oh wow. like yeah i see i see this and i feel. that exactly. and it's such a like how you guys ain't. communicating now you can just see. there's no ego involved in it. it's like you're like yeah you were. right and you're like yeah you were. right. and just the communication i imagine. it's so difficult even in relationships. it's. it's sometimes difficult even if you. know someone for such a long time. totally. you're sometimes scared of saying.

something that you think might hurt. their feelings. but um you know you guys have built such. an honest you've built a foundation on. honesty and. integrity and so it's easy for you guys. to communicate because you know. where that person's coming from 100 i. think it's a really important part of. the story that you guys created this. during covert during lockdown definitely. being in different parts of the world. for a big part of this work. coming together for a very short part of. it yeah it's like you created a really. collaborative piece. at a time when the music's needed most.

at a time when it's actually difficult. to be collaborative and creative like. the way the relationship you guys built. just to anyone who's listening or. watching right now. it's fun to watch you both just go back. and forth but to think about the fact. that you've actually done this at a time. when you weren't always in the same room. i i think that's a really important. thing to honor and and what i'm. intrigued by now is to. to understand from both of you and to. hear from both of you about your own. journey so. we'll start with you in terms of tell us.

about your own journey you've been. sharing so much more about mental health. anxiety your own healing always through. your music but also through your words. tell us about your journey towards. wanting to do more. even more healing devotional music that. you felt is going to. help people this year because this. collaboration you both created this year. was truly wanting to help people 100. with the pain that everyone's been going. through so tell us a bit about your. journey to that. over the last you know decade.

it's it's a lot um i mean. i don't want to go into like my whole. life story but. um i mean is that what i'm we're. listening should i do that or should i. wherever your heart wants to go with you. all the way whatever you genuinely feel. like sharing from them totally. um so my first interest. in you know the lifestyle of just. integrity. and spirituality and meditation um i was. introduced to that at a very young age.

my mother had a bunch of beautiful. art pieces and books about hindu gods. and goddesses. and i would just sit on the floor of her. meditation room and just like look at. these beautiful photos and read. you know about the sentiments of these. gods and goddesses and. from a very young age i was so. encapsulated by that and so inspired by. that. um and you know fast forward to. you know me doing all the with my hair.

stuff and being a pop star and. and having to realize that that's. not the content that i wanted to put out. into the world that's that's not. really the person that i wanted to be um. and that was. a really difficult decision to make what. made you realize that. i would go out and i would be with. peers like kids my age and. i would just be stopped and constantly. oh that's the girl from with my hair oh. and i just saw my other friends being.

able to live. and being able to have experiences and. being able to make mistakes and. not have the whole world know what's. going on with them. um and so that kind of made me think. like is this. really truly the life that i want to be. living like i want to actually live i. don't just want to be like. a caricature for the world to look at. you know so. um that took a lot of courage to just. say you know what i'm not going to. continue there were a lot of people who. had invested in me there were projects. that were already paid for scripts that.

were already written that i had to go. back on. i'm surprised that i didn't get sued. [Laughter]. it was a crazy time but through that i. was like okay. now that i'm free of this lifestyle that. i don't want to live now what's the. lifestyle i want to live. and so i was so confused i kind of went. into just a spiral. of just like depression. desperation i was self-harming i was.

hanging out with people that were just. wrong for me um. and that lasted for about two to three. years. and then i started realizing this is. psychotic literally. like i have to stop doing this this is. not all this is not the person i want to. be either. um so i was like okay i hadn't been. recording music. during that time um so i was like really. in the dark like no creative outlet. no you weren't doing anything creative. no. i was really just in the dark in the. darkness i should say.

and so then i started kind of coming out. of my shell and trying to get back into. the studio. which felt so like. weird and daunting because i was like. what do i make like am i gonna go back. and just be like hey like what am i. gonna do you know what i mean. um so like the first song that i had put. out was. it was called sugar and spice you could. probably find it somewhere but. um it was a radiohead a radiohead loop. um. and i remember just listening to that. and going.

i think i think i can continue like that. little spark of like inspiration was. just like ooh. ooh like i think i think i'm coming back. and so you know ever since then i've. just been kind of digging more into that. and. as i've gone deeper just over that time. of just. you know trying different types of music. out learning how to play the guitar. i just really realized that. i just want to be in service the only. thing that makes. you know having this lifestyle um.

worth it and for me to feel like i'm. i have a purpose at all and to not fall. back into that dark spiral. was making music that i felt would. inspire people that i felt would be in. service to others. and that's really the only reason why. i feel like i got out of that dark place. because people would. come to me and tell me you know that. they were in that same. dark space that i was and that my voice. brought them out of that. and that would just bring me so much joy. and and just.

just make me feel like i had a purpose. like there's there's a reason why. i have all of these resources and why. you know. people are looking at me and why i'm in. the tabloids and all of this and so it. just gave me a reason. and this is just expanding on that. reason. and i'm just so excited to to continue. to expand that reason and to grow that. reason and help that reason spread. to others um. thank you for caring thank you thank you.

so much. that's phenomenal it's amazing how you. came to that conclusion for yourself. that service was where you wanted to be. and that's at the heart of devotional. music like that is it so. it's it's incredible to hear you explain. just the natural challenges that come. with. your experience of life and the kind of. back and forth and the recognition of. both that. i don't want to be this but i also don't. want to be exactly. that's that's thank you so much for for.

sharing that well before the age of 20. i know yeah oh yeah well it just turned. out it's a crazy life. it's a crazy life y'all awesome yeah i. love it yeah and janavi i want to hear. from you because. so as i was saying before jennifer and i. have known each other for 15 years. rather he's probably known johnny for. like. uh since 2012-ish i know i i heard. genevieve. 2010 or something so a good 10 years. yeah known each other. i was a fan girl the first time we met. rodney was like this is a tattoo i got.

inspired by. it by your music and she was like oh. okay she was like that's not what you're. meant to do. but but you know jennifer you grew up in. the bhakti tradition. yeah and so this music has been a part. of your life. forever yeah and it's been a part of. your soul but. also it was different being someone. who's a consumer of it or. hearing it but then to actually creating. and sharing it.

like that journey must have been really. interesting can you share that with us. that transition of. growing up listening to it but then. actually being someone who's. sharing this tradition and culture so. widely yeah yeah. um well i grew up. uh being involved in it all the time. every day really. um you know we would do i attended a. school. at the temple that was very near to my. house so. the school was you know we did regular. academic subjects but. we also studied the bhagavad-gita and we.

did chanting together before we started. our school day. so that was very normal but um it was it. was collective it was. you know what i wasn't singing on my own. or anything and also. my dad was um very well known as a. singer. of kirtan uh all over europe and other. countries of the world. back in the cassette tape days the. cassettes used to. be everywhere and and um so as i got. older. i mean he was like you know he was like. a hero.

he is a hero to me but we loved his. singing and. and i felt i mean i always loved music. but. as i got older people would be like oh. do you sing like your dad and like. like sing. you must know nothing about that. so yeah. um we so i think i i was i was quite shy. as a. very shy and introverted and.

i also felt this pressure that people. are like wanting to see if i'm also. gonna be. like my dad and uh and so. i just i was too shy to i didn't really. know that. i knew i could sing because i i sang you. know in my in my bedroom. in the shower and but i didn't know i. remember actually. um i went to regular school for a few. years and the fir my in my first year of. regular school and. this is something we share as well like. a bit of unusual schooling.

experiences but my i was so shy. and i was it was because you know. growing up with this tradition i knew. that. okay i'm a little bit different from. other other kids and you know. i've grown from the age of four talking. about life and death. and the the body being like a coat that. you know you take off and put on a new. body. like these kind of concepts. reincarnation and karma and. kids don't talk about that kind of stuff. so i was i was really really shy and.

the the school play was um the end of. year school play was the wizard of. oz and my teacher cast me as the. cowardly lion. um because i think she knew that it. would help me to. you know she she could see that i was. shy but it would be good for me to play. a role that would kind of bring me out. of myself. so i remember i had to sing a song on my. own on the stage and like. you know swing my tail around and it was. this moment where i was like oh my god. i'm singing in front of people and i.

it's actually. it's nice you know but but that but that. was it then for many years and it wasn't. till i was. 1920 around your age that i started to. uh lead kirtan people were kind of. just friends were just encouraging me. and i found that it was something that i. felt more and more connected with. but it is um because it's it's such a. um such a deep tradition and it's a form. of prayer form of worship. it is kind of a thing where you have to. navigate. your ego because it's not it's not a.

it's not a performance genre of music. it's it's a prayer and an offering so. um for many years i i didn't. i didn't really identify with being a. person to sort of go out in the world. and like. share this with lots of people uh it was. just something i did in. within my community but um by as. circumstance goes. you know sometimes destiny finds you and. and and you try and push something away.

many times i think you know jay and i've. had probably many conversations over the. years where i've been like. i just don't know if this is what i. meant to do or like yeah i do this. you know that kind of thing where you. you keep trying to turn away from. something but it kept. coming back to me kept knocking on my. door first kept on trying to go no. music yeah yeah no music yeah like. yes yeah you know like when you have to. write a um. on a form you know occupation and i. would always stop and be like.

what do i write there you know am i. because i i was a. i i wrote i did art i was i was a dancer. but i didn't want to write. musician or artist or writer i just. didn't know what to write because i. didn't. fully identify with being able to say. this is what i am. so yeah it came it came bit by bit and i. think. one of the big catalysts for me with. feeling confident. to try to accept the role. of embracing my my creativity and.

and engaging it in service of spreading. this type of music. more is the fact that yoga meditation. mindfulness those things over the last. 10 years became so much more. mainstream than they ever were and when. i was. a child i never would have imagined that. would be the case i thought that was. just. the strange way that i grew up you know. and that. like kids used to ask me like so why. don't you you know like why are you. vegetarian and what do you. why do you have a name like that and. stuff like that.

[Laughter]. but now it's like no this is pretty it's. pretty normal. especially in l.a yeah yeah so yeah. it's it's been a it's been a journey but. i'm so grateful to be doing this now. it brings me so much fulfillment yeah. we're grateful to you. too for sticking it through and and. continuing on and. we're never going to let you quit. funny yeah music is going to keep coming. i don't know.

but we love that yeah we love that both. of you. for everyone who's listening and. watching i think there's such a. pressure these days for young people. especially to find their purpose. or discover what they want to do for the. rest of their lives and you can see in. both of the way you are experiencing. it's kind of not been like that. it's kind of been much more of this. meandering path than kind of getting. lost. and then refining and then feeling stuck. and then questioning everything and then. finding it and. this almost like magical approach to. like i found my purpose so i found my.

you know calling it doesn't work like. that and it's nice to see two people who. are. creating an artistic but it's kind of. coming over time. it's such a process it's such a journey. and there's so many. internal obstacles that need to be. looked at and that need to be worked on. until you can step into your calling. until you can step into your purpose. fully um. and god knows i'm still trying to step. in yes i'm still trying to step.

in yeah what would you say are both of. your um. i don't know daily things that you do in. your lives that help enrich you. or uplift you what are the things that. you've started to do yeah. i think on a daily basis because i feel. like they're the things that really make. you know a difference if you're doing. something regularly. yeah i've watched a few of you. right now i haven't but um. please please continue well i i find um.

that daily meditation daily i practice. mantra meditation daily. and that is something that um i really. hold on to like i imagine. you know if you take life to be like a. river that is the current is flowing. very fast. um in some of these sacred rivers in. india where people. uh they take a dip you know as a. purifying kind of. act they have these metal chains that. are in the water that you hold onto when. you go in to make sure you don't get. swept away.

so i i see the the mantra meditation um. as sort of like this chain to hold on to. in the rushing current. of life and it really even though it's. not. it's not easy i know willow has you know. a yoga practice you've been cultivating. for a long time to do anything daily. it's not an easy thing. and you don't always feel like doing it. and sometimes you do it. robotically and then you're like ah you. know i gotta. come back to you know the deeper reason. of why i'm doing this. but to just keep that commitment um.

it develops a relationship with sacred. space. within it develops a relationship with. the divine. that really is it's it's a lifesaver. it's it's um it gives me inspiration it. gives me. sense of connection and it and it's a. meditation that the particular mantra. that i. that i recite daily the meditation is on. how can i be of service and a prayer for. service. please allow me to be of service in this.

life so i love how willow was describing. that. that that service it brings you out of. that space because. every day we have to push against our. tendency to be self-absorbed it's like. at every moment we tend to be caught in. our head thinking about. our own worries and things like that and. and to turn that around. to how can i serve it's it's such a. dramatic. you know state change and so for me that. helps it helps. then you know whether i'm doing one.

thing or another. just to to keep connecting with that um. core reason of why of what is yeah what. is the purpose of my existence. to serve it makes things it makes things. a lot more simpler and joyful. yeah i i'm just going to piggyback off. of what what janavi said. um yes i've been cultivating a yoga. practice for about i want to say. two years oh we see those pokes yeah. yeah yeah i want to say two years or a.

year and a half. um and you know another thing. aside from meditation that i try to do. daily sometimes it doesn't happen. i read every day right now i'm reading. inner engineering. by sad guru so that's something that. i've been putting my time into every day. um so whether it's you know literature. yoga or or meditation one of those. things is happening every day. so i'm just like john levy said i i. truly believe that that consistency and.

that repetition. is what's needed in order to. get into a state where it is second. nature where you don't have to think. about it anymore where it's habitual. exactly. and that's that's where i'm trying to be. that's where i'm striving to. i think what you both are doing keeping. it consistent that's probably how. you know you've realized what the. benefits are that living a life without. it. that feels more unnatural than than. doing the practice. oh i was thinking about how you know. both of your practices are.

things which people have been doing for. years such an ancient thing that people. have been doing. but what's incredible about your music. is that it's i think it's shown so many. people who are probably. unfamiliar with meditation unfamiliar. with yoga or see it as something that's. so. unfamiliar um that you know. meditation music or monty music is for. everybody like it's such a universal. thing. that um so many different types of. people can connect to it just by your. different backgrounds. that you two have connected to it in. such a different way um.

and how you're sharing it it's yeah it's. beautiful to see how. different meditation music and. devotional music can actually be and how. many different types of people it can it. can connect. yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm glad you put. that bass on it so i could turn it up in. the car. i knew it yeah. i loved it the first time i heard it i. was telling jellyfish it was just like. you've left. it's just all the music what you've made. is it's like that perfect combination.

between being timeless and pure. but then being current and relevant and. you've created. in my in my opinion whatever it's worth. like it sounds like a no genre like it's. it's new it's different it's it's not. you can't just go oh yeah that's that. kind of music i wouldn't even put it. under meditational music like it's it's. beyond that and i think that you know. credit to both of your artistry to be. able to expand that much. what's different about creating. devotional music. for both of you and genevieve for you to.

to stretch out your comfort zone. from a music place of now creating this. new genre that you have together. so for willow for you more like what's. what's different about korean devotional. music for you from your perspective. and and then generally from yours like. almost going the other way and like oh. now we're creating something a bit newer. to what i'm used to. yeah um you know my lyrics that. you know in the willow album and in art. epic kiss my first album. um you know i talk a lot about duality i. talk a lot about spirit.

i talk a lot about you know cycles i. have a song that's called cycles. on on my first album the language is. very. modern and what i love about sanskrit is. that. it it's deeper than language um. and i think the the real difference is. bringing that um ancient vibration to it. that isn't just coming from me it's. coming from generations and generations. of of deeply spiritual individuals.

who have carried this on and i think you. know. feeling that is is the biggest. difference for me. because it's not just me coming up with. something wow. that's really powerful yeah that's. incredible to think of it like that. that's so well articulate that's. beautiful. thank you. you accept me. oh my gosh oh yeah wow wow.

i've just been i've been hit by your by. your articulation of that that's so. beautiful. yeah i think it's so interesting because. i think. for me it was almost i wouldn't say the. opposite because. naturally we're trying to retain the the. purity of devotional space. and like with with recording we set up a. little alter like in this in the studio. it's. it's really nice to have that feel to be. a sacred space.

yeah but um with this ep um. because most of the time i'm singing. mantra which. i which obviously those words are not. mine i'm putting my heart my prayer into. it but i'm also trusting. the power of that uh ancient vibration. that timeless vibration to touch the. heart of another and then and for that. reason i don't. i don't take credit when someone has you. know a powerful experience with it it's. like oh yeah that's that's what it does. that's what it does to me too. so i'm just trying to you know be.

facilitate this experience. but with this uh album i definitely was. stretching. myself because i think. just before we came together i was i'd. been recently feeling a lot more. inspired. to to write lyrics in english that. convey. some of these ideas and and themes. which was daunting for me because it's. not something i it's something i. hardly ever do let alone record i i have. tons of voice notes in my phone which.

will never see the light of day you know. ideas that i've had but it was so cool. because i didn't think we would actually. work on those things but when i showed. some of them to willow she was so. um encouraging and excited about it. and i was sort of like well what do you. think like you add your. lyrics into she was like no i love this. i think we should go for it i was like. really. and then so to actually bring some of. those ideas to life. um for me that was a beautiful.

experience of being able to. come outside of the space of okay this. is just mantra it's not me. but here's this here's this you know. ancient sound vibration. to actually here's some words that i. wrote which. convey how i want to you know take a. snapshot of this. um this sentiment for instance of. surrender. or whatever you've experienced how i've. experienced it or what. or or what's meaningful to me or to us. you know and and. for me that was a really uh that was.

extremely. powerful it i came away being like whoa. i didn't know i could do yeah so i'm so. grateful for that. yeah it was it was it was beautiful. i could feel i could feel that that. sense of hesitancy that's why i was like. yeah. i was like let's go full flag are you. sure she's like let's do it yeah. yeah because i was like you you gonna. know the the greatness of you today. what's the uh both of you live.

real lives in the real world you know. you you go through your challenges every. single day. and people who listen to this are going. through their own challenges what's been. something that's been really. beautiful or powerful for both of you. individually. that you feel has helped you discover. answers at tough times. or find new directions at tough times. what is it that both of you have turned. to in your own life. whether it be musical or not that you. think that. almost what is it that people can do to.

express themselves. more because it feels like so many of. our feelings do get bottled up. and do just get thought about inside. what has been powerful for you. individually. i mean it might it might be a little um. unorthodox. but i actually really really enjoy. looking at myself in the mirror and. explaining like like telling like having. a conversation with myself basically. like when i'm when i'm having tough. emotions that i feel like.

i don't want to express to other people. or i feel like. embarrassed or whatever it is um. i always try to like just look at myself. and be like no you're valid like. explain the full depth of everything. that you're feeling. and then look at yourself and like. explain back to yourself why. why those emotions. not why those emotions are okay but. accepting yourself. in a certain way um and.

you know sometimes when the face time. doesn't work and people don't answer. their phone. you can talk to yourself yeah and it. does work it does work for me. it does i love that that's so good yeah. i've never heard anyone do that in the. mirror. journaling to another level yeah you're. actually facing yourself which i think a. lot of the. times we are battling with our own self. rather than with other people and so. actually. like looking at yourself in the mirror. and and speaking to yourself is so. powerful. it gets deep the tears start flowing and. then you start looking at yourself.

exactly and you're like dang like i see. you like you're. we're together in this like we got each. other i love that yeah. yeah that's awesome i hope everyone. tries that out this week. yeah everybody's listening or watching. try it out i'm being serious it's like. sometimes i feel weird saying it because. people. you know are like that's ridiculous but. i've done it no and it has stopped the. tears. wow yeah i was thinking as you were. speaking that. for me um writing has always been a.

powerful one and it's funny because i. i think of the page being like a mirror. and i think many people find writing to. be like that. um to the point where i remember some. difficult points in my life where i. didn't write for a very long time. for probably two years i didn't write. anything on a page because i was. afraid of what would come out and what i. would see i felt just this. complete block you know and. then to release that to start i always.

feel such a relief when i put a pen on. the paper and start to write and i was. introduced to the practice of. free writing some some years ago. there's a famous book called the. artist's way by julia cameron and this. practice of mourning pages. um is something that many people have. found a lot of uh. yeah just incredible experiences from. so i i started to do that and um i still. turn to that when i. i mean i i tried to do it regularly but. it's also one of those things.

you go through phases you know but for. me yeah so writing is. is always a huge huge help um. i mean stating the obvious i think you. know kirtan meditation music. of course but my other huge one which i. think will and i share. is is to connect with nature 100. just to walk i mean i think i try and go. for a walk in nature every day. and without fail it's like a bomb it's. uplifting. it brings me back to myself it. sparks ideas and creativity it's.

it's just like uh the the the road and. the page they're my two friends that. really helped me so much. i love that yeah i love that that's so. awesome and. and i guess that's what's inspired a lot. of your work i know genevieve whenever. you're doing your. bbc pause for thought sessions you talk. a lot about the environment and climate. change and. yeah and that where where do you see. that intersection between like art. and the environment or climate change or. expression and that is there a synergy. there or. or is it just something that you feel is.

a different part of you where your care. comes from. i think it's absolutely intertwined i. mean. nature is the most beautiful art. that we can witness and observe i'm so. inspired by. um by the natural world and my mom is a. really avid. gardener and and lover of you know wild. plants and herbs and she sort of brought. us up like that to. observe and learn about all the. properties of of plants and trees around.

us. so i'm i'm kind of obsessed with plants. and flowers and people could laugh at me. but it's like. i'm always looking inspired by the. textures by the shapes by the. um by the different aromas yeah. everything. and so our nature inspires me creatively. immensely and in terms of caring for. nature i think like like. a person the more you know a person the. more you care. so the more we observe and connect and. feel a sense of relationship with nature.

um that care it's like why wouldn't i. care. i'm that it's it's a it's a beautiful. exchange. absolutely there's a mutual exchange of. nourishment going on. and i think also with the particular um. type of creativity and art you know the. questions that i'm asking or that we're. asking about service about. divinity these these kinds of uh these. kinds of things. they bring us also closer to our deepest.

essence. which i believe is is meant to be in. harmony with nature so the more that you. the more that you're coming into that. space again it just becomes a very. natural connection to feel. and so yeah i i'm kind of a nature. addict. and i and i i know like when i visited. willow. and her home you know there's such a. beautiful view of the ocean. and it's like it's it's just a it's a. part of you right yeah one got to be.

there and i have to. i would i think a significant decline in. my mental health would happen if i. were to live in a city yeah um. or i mean i do live in a city but if i. were to live like. amongst buildings yeah exactly yeah um. like i need to wake up and see trees. just one tree exactly at least at least. one at least one. i i need it's i'm a nature addict what. can i say just like you. yeah um and that's definitely.

one of the biggest healing agents in my. life 100. yeah well we've been talking about this. for the past couple of days about. how you see this connection between. spirituality and science and physics. and spirituality and. you've always been very much talking. about like science and physics and like. but then you're also really interested. in. spirituality tell us about how you. started to see. so early in your life the connection and. synergy between the two. because i think so often they're talked.

about so separately or 100. they're seen as like divisive or. disconnected. exactly yeah um i think one of the. the biggest the biggest moment in my. life that made me. really move towards this um. marriage of spirituality and science was. um you know i had been reading a lot of. spiritual literature um i had been. reading a lot of osho. a lot of i read this one book called. oneness and that book changed my life.

forever. and just the idea of vibration. and that everything is vibration really. hit me because i am a musician. and music is like the biggest love of my. life. um and then learning about string theory. was ah. just opened my mind into such a place. that it was like. these two things are the same like. people think that they're separate and. in some ways they are.

but in the fundament they're just two. sides of the same coin. um and so that inspired me to just dive. really deep into the physical world and. just how things work and that's how i. um just got into physics and started. studying physics. um and you know i haven't been. i've been studying more of the spiritual. lane recently it's hard it's. it's hard i will say to study them. deeply at the same time um.

but i i study them separately deeply. and i go back and forth and then try to. figure out how to bring them together in. some way but in my life. you know i'm constantly i'm constantly. relating. um my spiritual experiences with. you know all of the scientific things. that i've read or you know. just being in physics class and telling. my physics teacher like oh you should. read this book and he's like. okay i'm a physics teacher i'm not. i'm not a metaphysics teacher um so.

i just i just want to continue to just. get more intelligent. and and more intelligent while also. losing my ego. i think is where i'm trying to go which. is kind of um. counterintuitive but i think it is. possible. yeah absolutely and intelligence and. service exactly. and so that's that's really just i have. lots of goals. but that's one of them save the world.

yeah i have lots of goals. um but they all give me joy and and. really just my curiosity for both makes. makes life just exciting you know those. those two things just make my life. feel exciting to me yeah i actually. think that that. that paradox is what makes it exciting. yeah if your pursuit was only to become. intelligent. you'd get bored exactly and if your. pursuit was only to remove ego it. wouldn't be as. exciting quite tough and so actually.

both of them. together is a beautiful path and and and. often the path that. can only be walked when you do both. paths to reach to really get it right. i love that i love that. that's also why i really admire you jay. because. you while also having been a monk for. five years. three three years you are also. one of the most intelligent people i.

know um. and that's so inspiring to see that you. can do both and that both can be done. um it just inspires me to do it it just. inspires me to try to actually. try to actually put that into my own. life. um and i'm just so happy that you're. you're in my life so that i can i can. see you grow. and constantly learn from you and that's. really amazing to me. oh you're the sweetest i'm like getting. all emotional now but.

now we're just gonna be crying no i love. that i really appreciate it. no i was like willow's 40 year old. grandma inside her talking i know i'm. proud. i know i love it no i really appreciate. that from you it's you know it's i think. we both have a lot more in common than. we know too. totally we're kind of discovering it. recently. yes i'm just like oh yeah i can learn a. lot and that's why yeah i think what we. all were talking about yesterday is. and i think why we all like being around. each other is and and why who everyone.

is listening or watching i'm hoping that. this is encouraging you to. connect with like-hearted people uh. connect. with uh and collaborate with people that. you're close to. because when you can be yourself and you. don't have to. apologize by asking for permission to. say something or. expressing who you are and you welcome. them i think that's the kind of. community that we're all looking for. where where people just try it right to. say sadhusanga. is that yeah.

for those who don't know willow's now. going to give the definition. basically your spiritual family you know. the like-minded individuals around you. that facilitate your growth towards pure. love for god. and that is that's fire. in my eyes yeah i want to do. drugs.

yes yes i love it all right so we end. every on purpose episode with a. fill in the blank and a final five so. fill in the blank is as it is we will. read out a sentence. for both of you and you both will fill. in the blank we've got different ones. for both of you yeah okay okay and then. we're gonna do a final five so we'll. start with fill in the blank. and uh you do willow i'll do genevieve. okay. making music is about unlocking. people's hearts peace is found.

when my actions are in alignment with my. values and my heart i love that. i want my listeners too. i want my listeners to break down. in dance with the love of god. that's what i want i love that like that. massive. dance party we had before before cody.

yeah. yeah okay music allows me to. fly vulnerability. allows me to be strong the. word rise is about. moving up going into my heart. and um like we said in the song. don't hide from the questions within. that rise. within that's that is that is really.

good though it's like yeah. questions are rising sudden we just try. and we'll try and push them down yeah i. love that. i wish i knew 10 years ago that. other people's opinions don't matter hey. [Music]. okay january 2020 has allowed me to. hmm wow i'm like. envisioning 2020 has allowed me to.

create and create. as i haven't before in the past uh. well willow creativity is about. creativity is about expressing oneself. entirely. collaboration is about listening. yes amazing yes janavi yes. um i feel cute when.

this one obviously from jay's. list of questions i feel cute when. prima is coming on to me. yeah i'm loving guys jeremy you feel. cute when. i feel cute when i'm around rodney. okay so these are the final five that. was very good by the way.

fantastic final five so these have to be. answered in one word or one sentence. maximum and they're the same questions. for both of you. so i'll ask the question and then both. of you can go in maybe you guys can be. like a buzz or a beep. to answer first buzz or a beep yeah buzz. so like he'll ask the question and. whoever's got the answer buzz beep. oh okay all right i'll get uh all right. i think competitive yeah. yeah all right. okay okay what is the biggest lesson.

that you've learned this year. we'll put sound effective we'll put a. sound effect in to make it more. um detachment. beautiful the power of community. um love that okay the second question is. oh this is one of my favorite questions. i asked on the show so what do you know. to be absolutely true but a lot of. people may disagree with you on. what is it that you're so confident.

about and so sure about in your life but. a lot of people may disagree and they. may not. they may not necessarily understand. self-love is the most important love. but i don't know if anyone would. disagree i'd say. uh connection with. spirit and the divine. is essential for a purposeful. life yes yeah i can see people disagree.

yeah all right uh the third question is. um if you could set one. law that everyone had to follow in the. world. what would it be if you had to create a. new law. that everyone in the world had to follow. what would it be. i know i'm like i'm like i need this to. be good. um i'm gonna give two different.

because this is too important to me to. just say in one two laws you get two. lures. you can take janavi's too it's either. it's either. treat people the way you want to be. treated or. treat people with the utmost respect. at all times no matter what. [Music]. i feel like that would help a lot of the. wars. yeah and a lot of the inequality that. goes on. yeah thank you yeah wonderful answer i.

want willow's laws. but also um i was thinking. a lot i don't know how this would. actually be manifest or policed but. um a law to about. being truthful and honest can you. imagine if. yeah everyone had to be truthful if. there had to be integrity to one's word. what a place the world would look like. with along with willow's laws of love. and respect. it's like that movie did you see that. ricky gervais movie where they actually.

did that it was like a movie where. they couldn't lie or where everyone the. man who invented life. yeah yeah that's it yeah that was a. funny movie yeah yeah i remember the. jim carrey one liar liar totally. totally yeah yeah okay so two two more. questions left. fourth question is what is your personal. favorite song on the ep. and why so you can be over one sentence. what is my personal favorite song on the. ep and. why um.

i'd have to say. i'd have to say born to give just. because the instrumentation. um it's like when do you ever hear a. guitar solo. on top of a on top of a mantra that's. being repeated like. we're saying sachit ananda. is being repeated um i just was like. i've never heard anything like that so i. was like i really love this moment i i.

think that would be my favorite song. i love that that's cool that's a cool. reason yeah it's really i mean. honestly i actually do love them all. equally but. kagendra or let go is. one of my favorites because um i love. the story that it's connected. to which is from the bhakti tradition. and uh. this this theme of surrender. is is so meaningful to me but to to. express it. in in english lyrics and um.

yeah i just love it and i love that i. love this bridge a lot of people have. been posting themselves singing. i just i just love that i was telling. willow that i a. couple like a few weeks before we met up. i. um i watched hamilton when it went. streaming. online and i was so inspired by. the the lyrics and the way that the the. music was composed and constructed and i. think that was.

in my head a little bit when i wrote. this so yeah i love that song. lastly the most important one both of. you do an impression of each other from. your experience. in the studio 100. you're like perfection perfection. literally me. i feel like that would be such a vibe. yeah that's me. and then when i'm like on the keyboard. trying to find the sound tryna be like. okay i could i could see that.

maybe i could see that and i'm like okay. she doesn't like this let's move on. my favorite willow is that it's. differently yeah yeah that really hits. different. yesterday when we were talking about the. bhagavad-gita i was like. i kept on saying that i was like. different friends oh that is different. great statement i love it everyone hey. hello and. listen johnny the risi people put the. link everywhere please please please go. and check it out it's.

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