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if you can't feel gratitude if you can't. feel love i just want to know what. you've been practicing feeling every day. because. that feeling that you're practicing is. what you're always feeling now let's. practice feeling something else in the. beginning it's not going to be easy one. of the ways that we find our audience. struggles is deducing the energy of the. people around you and the energy that. you attract into your life and the. people that you keep often like you said. there are people coming to your seminars. that are dragging their partners yeah. and they have to drag their partners. there because their partners are not.

understanding it initially. where is that. is there a method for people to start. deducing the energy. of people they meet and connect with to. be aware if they're on the same. frequency or on the same path ah. well well i don't i don't know if. there's a machine that does that. but once again like. i think that if we share. the same experiences because we like the. same things we share the same emotions.

and if we share the same experiences we. share the same emotions i can relate to. you so we can exchange ideas and. information. and if we share the same energy energy. is information so many people as an. example. they use each other to reaffirm their. their dependency on suffering so i. suffer more than you then you say i you. i suffer you suffer more than me we have. this thing we just complain with each. other well that's the same resonance the. same frequency and there's a match right. but goes to the same means if you if.

you're if you're someone who's has a uh. accountability partner that that you. exchange ideas like this with and it's a. different frequency and different energy. so when energy comes together and it's. constructive something comes out of it. yeah you feel it right it's and you feel. an elevation if there's dissonance then. your your sensing meter is how you feel. about that person many times in your gut. or in your heart or wherever and there's. decon there's a. destructive interference and there's no. energy involved so.

i think that's just a practice but. really. the ultimate mastery. is to be able to be in such residence. such coherence. that when you walk in the room that you. raise. everybody's energy and you don't let. your energy drop because of any. circumstance or any condition and that. would be greater than your environment. right and that's that's the model. that we use so imagine 1 500 people. in an event. where everybody's getting super coherent.

and the interference that's going on in. the room is creating these high. amplitudes and we've measured that in. the room and the energy in the room is. off the chart many times there's i mean. there's energy for healing in there. there's energy for all kinds of things. that can happen so we brought it to life. with our awareness and so. the more elevated the emotion love. gratitude freedom bliss ecstasy the. higher the frequency. so but it turns out you can have a. collective group of people with a lot of.

energy and be incoherent and it creates. entropy yeah you could have a smaller. group of people that are highly coherent. and put out a very big signal. so when we see a collective really get. coherent. wow the energy in the room opens up. doors. of possibilities that i would i would. never expect i mean i i don't i don't. know how to explain some of the. phenomenological things that happen. but that's that's everybody's divine. like everybody's everybody's in that.

state they're they're in that elevated. state so. i think our i think our truth meter. is really whether we feel it lifted. uh or we feel like uh we've been robbed. yeah yeah and often often our feeling of. feeling lifted. is based on everything we've just talked. about it's based on a void. based on an unhealed trauma. based on a gap or a. part of ourselves that we haven't yet. broken a belief and so often feeling. lifted is not feeling lifted in the way.

you're saying right it's feeling lifted. in the just the external superficial. sense. reaffirming the emotion you need just as. just as you said earlier at the. beginning that an external event could. make you feel sad right the external. event is making you feel good right. right but it's still extensive exactly. the opposite right. so then that means then when things are. good you feel good yeah when things are. bad you feel bad so there's dramatic. contrast and polarity and this is the. realm of polarity right so how do you.

find the middle path well the heart is. the middle path it's the union of. polarity it's the union of opposites. it's it's oneness it's wholeness and. this is where we have to begin to create. from all of this down here is all. humanity this is all our animal nature. we get up in here things change right. you go from selfish to selfless and. something else happens so. it's really funny too because when. a lot of people come they say i i don't. know i'm having difficulty opening my. heart. i'm you know i'm practicing but i'm not. feeling anything yet and then it comes.

time to do our healings on other people. and. the moment you it's no longer about you. all of a sudden something happened well. of course that's what the heart is about. right so so it comes in ways that uh we. least expect at times yeah i love that. you've incorporated that element of. people. having that experience and and often. most people can't open their heart to. others because they haven't even opened. their hearts themselves right like they. haven't been through that process of. sitting long enough yeah to let the. heart i mean i always say to people. when was the last time you sat with your.

heart and just worked with it like so. that it's not contracted and afraid and. protected. it takes practice to to do that and and. so we we we work with people in letting. them. we give them numerous opportunities. to practice this over and over and over. again and sooner or later pedal by pedal. it starts to bloom and all of a sudden. there's an authentic smile on their face. and once energy meets the heart it goes.

right to the brain we have. we did this study where we hooked up an. electrocardiogram to an. electroencephalogram an. electroencephalogram is a brain mapping. machine so we measure 19 or 26 different. compartments and we're looking to see. all different kind of activity in the. brain. but we measure the heart along with it. and when the heart starts beating. coherently. in in a sense of order. like a like taking a big sheet jay and. going like that. the heart sends a wave right up to the.

brain. and the brain goes into these beautiful. states of alpha the heart is telling the. brain it's safe to create again it's. safe to imagine it's safe to dream of a. new future. and. there's the stroke volume of the heart. in order and then you see these two or. three seconds of beautiful coherent. alpha the brain is in it's it's in that. creative state then there's a pause and. it happens again and. it's it's it's beauty it's a it's a. symphony.

if you don't have that mechanism you can. have all the intention in the world but. there's no carrier wave i mean. when people when they make energy reach. their heart there's an external field. that's created it's it's it's magnetic. it's it's it's measurable. and that energy. is frequency and if that frequency is. coherent it can carry the intent. or thought on a coherent brain of that. future the energy of suffering. cannot carry the thought of health or. wealth it's not consistent with it it.

carries a different set of thoughts. so then. the training then. is getting people into those hard states. because. once they start trading that fear or. that pain or that frustration or trying. or whatever forcing you know control. for gratitude and they just let all that. go and i say to them listen. if you can't feel gratitude if you can't. feel love i just want to know what. you've been practicing feeling every day. because that feeling that you're. practicing is what you're always feeling.

now let's practice feeling something. else in the beginning it's not going to. be easy but you got to keep following. the formula keep doing it keep doing it. keep doing it. well. when they start feeling gratitude it's. very interesting because. the emotional signature of gratitude. is that something wonderful just. happened to you. something favorable is happening to you. right so. you've just received something or you're. receiving something you say thank you so. gratitude.

is the ultimate state of receiving. emotionally. so when you move into a state of. gratitude and you open your heart you. will accept believe and surrender to the. thoughts equal to that emotional state. and you'll program your autonomic. nervous system into a different destiny. you could say i'm healthy i'm healthy. i'm healthy i'm wealthy and wealthy and. wealthy and wealthy and free i'm free. i'm free and your body is conditioned in. the misery and it's saying no you're not. and that thought stops right at the. brain stem. it never makes it to the body because. the body is on a different program.

so then. while the person starts trading that and. they start opening their heart well. their immune system gets stronger by 50. percent 50. in three days they start making. immunoglobulins their bodies natural. defense against viruses and bacteria 50. not a little bit. a lot that's that's one study and so. trading that. telling the body it's in the in the. environment where it already happened. and so that's when the miracles start. happening that's when people say.

i'm not doing anything well of course. you're not. you don't have to yeah so then. last point about this because it's so. important that people. understand that most people are creating. matter to matter. so the more you live by the hormones of. stress the more altered you are inside. of you the rush of those adrenal. chemicals. narrows your focus the senses are. heightened and we become materialists. and now all of our attention is on our. bodies and our environment and on time.

and now we're lost in the vr machine of. three-dimensional reality everything. appears as separate so i'm here and. you're there and there's space and time. between us then there's me here and. there's my dreams i place them way out. there in the future why do i place them. out there because i'm estimating how. much i have to work to get that house to. get that car how much i have to save how. much overtime i have to work what things. do i have to do how do i have to cheat. rob steal lie whatever i have to do to. get it right that's matter trying to. change matter. and so when it doesn't happen we feel. more separation we try harder we force.

we pray we control all that stuff. so then. creating from the field instead of from. matter. means that you have to take all of your. attention off your body. all of your attention of all the people. in your life all your attention of all. the objects and things all the places. and even time itself and become nobody. no one no thing nowhere in no time and. if you're not any of those things what. are you your consciousness. and now you are liberated from the rules. of three-dimensional reality where.

everything takes time and energy to get. what you want now when we create from. the field. instead of from matter because it's not. matter that's emitting the field. it's actually the field that's creating. matter change the field you change. matter right now this is not something. you take one bite of and you get it's. something you got to really practice. so then. by doing this properly with a coherent. brain and a coherent heart you got a. wi-fi signal. and if you're creating from the field. instead of from matter.

you no longer have to go anywhere to get. what you want if you were connected to. that invisible field of energy called. the unified field the quantum field. which connects everything physical and. material and you're aware of it and. you're connected to it you're connected. to source why would you if you were. source why would you go get anything. you'd draw it to you so the thought. coherent brain is the intent it's the. electrical charge the elevator the. motion the heart has a magnetic. signature it's the magnetic charge the.

thought sending the signal out it's a. directive the feeling is drawing the. event back. create that. combination and now you're going to. collapse space and time and you're going. to draw those synchronicities to you now. i'm here in this lifetime. i'm clear that i want to master that i. want to get good at that because i don't. want to i did the other stuff you can. get successful the other way but you're. too tired it takes too much energy i. would rather synchronize my energy to. synchronicities. in my life and be mystified yeah by wow.

this stuff really works and every. synchronicity that happens that catches. you off guard and brings you joy and awe. and wonder. you're going to use that energy to. create the next one and it gets weird. i've had some crazy synchronicities in. the last three days i'm laughing while. i'm driving going oh my god this life is. so incredibly mysterious what an amazing. ride this is. that's a different perspective one is. when you're not synchronizing well you. asked the person was it worth it you.

showed up every day was it worth. absolutely. so when it starts happening. and you start seeing those you see. feedback in your world. you're going to pay attention to what. you did and you're going to do it again. and you're going to be like okay i've. done this i've done this and this people. who heal themselves. have very little difficulty healing. someone else yeah that's just the next. step and then with kovid and we couldn't. do the healings in our events we had. students just get together and say if. we're in the quantum. okay and everything's connected. do i really need to be there i just need.

a target give me the face give me the. coordinate love transcends space and. time yeah okay. give me that coordinate i'll love that. person in the life. and these people do it and we have we. have reputable universities now that are. studying this phenomena and they're. saying. they're telling me. these are universities that have some of. the most advanced laboratories this is. i'm talking the nobel prize researchers. they want to change the conversation in. medicine and today i got a video of.

somebody being healed remotely. and she's laying there her cancer. went from really bad to. nothing. and she videotapes herself when the. group works on her she is laying there. and her body. is moving all over that floor. it's twisting and turning there's energy. manipulating that body they're changing. the pattern in the field they don't need. the body is the illusion the tumor is. the illusion that's the hologram. change the pattern in the field you.

change the projection in. three-dimensional our. person who's healed themselves and been. in a circle where they've healed someone. else. how and then when you do that what's. next i don't know you won't know until. you have that experience yeah i've sat. in on the groups. where they get together on the zooms and. five people that they've healed tell. their story. you know a mother whose daughter is. unresponsive with a with a with an. injury or a handicap from birth who's. now looking at her brothers who's trying.

to talk who's smiling who's present the. mother's telling the story there's 40. people on the zoom we're all crying. not crying for any other reason but the. species. is helping the living organism called. the human being is healing one another. they're informing one another they're. taking care of one something innate is. awakening us we're. we're crying the experience of that. produces an emotion. that's different than any other emotion.

you could ever feel that's a new. experience. do you think that that person who goes. to heal the next person is going to have. a problem opening their heart after that. they know what the payoff is. and so they don't contract oh my god. that person has in a coma you know how. many people have come out of comas. because of this healing group. they're spot on they can hit a target. and they lay their energy over that. field and another one over there and. another one over and all of a sudden you. get these complex coherent patterns and.

it's creating a change in matter and and. they they figured it out and we have. universities that are we're collecting. all the data and they're crunching all. the algorithms we know that it works. really well for anxiety it works really. well for insomnia for neurological. disorders parkinson's disease. inflammation we're capturing that pain. huge changes in pain and they're they're. on the other side of the planet it's. kind of and we're synchronizing we're. measuring heart rate variability and. we're sending electrodes and sensors to.

the people that are being healed and. we're seeing if there's a correlation. between the coherence of the group. that's doing the coherence of the person. who's having the experience and. we're measuring dna before. the healing and three days of healing we. measure the dna after why because. evidence has allowed his voice. you see that it's the four minute mile. that you can't go back. to being the same person i scratch my. head sometimes when i'm standing on the. stage. and there's someone. speaking to the audience.

who has had a very serious health. condition and they don't look like a. vegan and they don't look gluten free. and they don't look young and they don't. look buffed and they don't look like. they're in shape. they just look like a normal person that. has struggled with a health condition. and they're telling the truth. they. you are witnessing. the truth. they are the example of truth in other. words they have the scans they have the. blood test it's gone. and i'm looking out in the audience jay.

and everybody is leaning in. nobody is moving there they are in awe. of the four-minute mile right in front. of them somebody broke through somebody. pierced that veil somebody broke out of. that level of consciousness. and that story is filled with truth not. not my words yeah it's star wars they. just showed up every day for themselves. they just kept showing up and believing. it and they became it right you asked. that person. where's the disease they'll tell you. it's in the old person i'm somebody.

there's i'm not the same it doesn't. can't be there. the person in the audience. who's relating to that person with the. same rare genetic disorder the same. lupus the same cancer don't you know. that their belief is going to change. right in front of them and instead of. taking two years to do it. they do it in three months. why because as soon as the four minute. mile was broken yeah the next one that. broke it was two weeks later and there's. been 1400 people have done it i mean.

it's not a thing anymore right so. to me that's. we have such compelling evidence in. science with brain scans you make your. brain work better you can make your. heart work better you can make your. immune system work better you can make. your cells go from really sick to really. healthy we've got great evidence you can. become immune to serious viruses you can. be immune to bacteria we've got the. measurements you can lengthen your life. we have great evidence and the people. aren't monks they're not they're not. nuns they're not religious scholars. they're just common people.

and then we have testimony. of people who are the example of truth. they are they are the example of truth i. would rather have dinner with those. people than anybody anybody else. they know something right. so evidence then becomes the loudest. voice right and and that's what i think. what people are looking for right now. the truth is so lost in sensationalism. and the truth is so lost. in emotional agreement. and so people who want to feel fear.

they program themselves and accept. believe and surrender that people who. want to be hate be hateful. it's all there it's all there and it's a. it's a matrix to find the way out right. and and. and i think i think there's a door i. just i just think that we have to. trust the innate information that that. comes from within us absolutely. fascinating and i can't wait to actually. experience an event in in real i'm going. to invite you one more time and then i'm. going to send somebody over here in a. car to pick up you well i think last. time we wanted to do it and then the. pandemic yeah so you know from from last.

time but uh no i would i would love to i. can't wait to experience that into. experience it personally not just to. watch others but to actually go through. it myself too but. with all of that said and seeing these. breakthroughs seeing these breakthrough. patterns you having transcendental. experiences what do you believe in this. present state of ignorance as you said. what do you believe is the purpose of. life overall. to figure out the purpose of life. okay i know i mean i mean i i really. think it's i think the mathematics.

that i've looked at says there's. infinite experiences to have you will. never know the end. so then. if you study any religion i i mean i've. looked at a lot of them. this concept of eternity that the soul. is going to be around for eternity. that's a long time. and that means you got to be okay with. you. for a very long time yeah so. i think it's i think it's the creation.

of more experiences and i think. to to. i think we came from source from. singularity from oneness. and we have descended down into density. a fooled by our senses into separation. and every. single being has a spark of oneness of. the divine within them and we got so. separate. that we now have our own free will to. answer the question is there more. because if your oneness it gets kind of.

boring after a while like is there. anything else well the moment you ask if. there's anything else you're no longer. oneness you're something other than. oneness right and you're. a a different consciousness separate. from oneness. so i think then we live life and then. when we can predict the feeling of. everything that can happen in our life. and gets boring and. we're not impressed by anyone or. anything we ask the same question. is there more and that's when the soul. goes. all right well it's been how many. lifetimes you've been doing this okay. there's an awakening and the and we ask.

that question and then all of a sudden. we start getting information and books. and stuff and meet people and it gets. exciting and and it's the it's it's how. the universe works and so we climb out. of this. and i just think there's so many. incredible experiences that are left in. the unknown uh that we get to have and. and then of course when. on the journey is over and you evolve to. that point uh then you take that wisdom. and you want you say here's what i. learned and it was scary down there and.

i was like boy i tell a great story and. then you hang out there and you go. is there anything else besides and here. we go again it just never ends. that's my theory that's a great answer i. loved it i resonate deeply with many. parts of that answer i think it's a it's. a really. beautifully put way of thinking about it. and bringing in that like i said at the. beginning bringing in that spiritual. that science and the experience of of. what it would actually look like to live. for eternity so it's a beautiful. beautiful answer dr joe we end every.

episode with the final five these are. the fast five questions where the. answers have to be one word to one. sentence maximum okay so this is uh i. don't remember this from last time so. this is good yeah and i'll probably. break my rule with you because you give. phenomenal no i'll i'll do my best i'll. try my best as well me too i'll try my. best as well okay so dr joe these are. your final five. uh the first question is what is the. best advice you've ever received.

how to show up for yourself. what's the worst advice you've ever. received. uh believe what people tell you. what's something that you've said in the. past that you were confident about it. then but now upon reflection you're like. oh i should have changed my mind about. that oh that it takes a long time to. create reality i'm going to ask you to. expand on that because i like that. answer i want to know more that's. fascinating. well um i think just like anything else. you learn how to snowboard you go. through that learning curve you learn. how to ride a bike you go through that.

learning curve. that i used to think that creation was. hard. i just thought it took a lot of energy. and it took a lot of sacrifice and it'll. work for it and great onsen and uh god i. mean even my definition of surrender. today is very different than it was just. three months ago because i'm always. doing it. and so. i think that. it doesn't have to be that way i just. think that it could be any way you want. and that and then working on that uh.

changing that belief i love that. beautiful answer thank you for sharing. yeah question number four. uh what's one thing that you think. people value but you don't. oh other people's opinions. if i really. cared what people thought i would have. stopped this a long time ago and now. it's so great because i have so many. researchers and physicians and everybody. i'm very glad you didn't stop and we are. very happy you didn't stop i think it's. deeply meaningful work and the more time. we spend together and the more time i.

hear. where you want to take people where you. want what you want people to experience. is just beautiful so thank you for what. you're doing thanks uh fifth and final. question. if you could create one law that. everyone in the world had to follow what. would it be. take care of one another. nice and simple it's beautiful why do. you think anonymity is so. important for all of us in our life to. experience why is it such a fascinating. because. when you.

go past your ego identity. there's a bigger identity that is. so huge it's incomprehensible it can't. even be described and there's a freedom. and a joy. that comes from that and. i had had glimpses of that but this. period of intense. stillness and by the way since then i've. kept a week of silence. every year sometimes i'll do more.

and uh that week of silence usually in. september i do every year. just to go back to the taste of. timeless being yeah instead of you know. our ego identity which we keep polishing. every day now especially these days with. social media and books and promotions. and. you name it. what's something that people can do. daily to access that experience because. like you said our days are just busy. with work and family and commitments and.

events what's something people can do. daily that helps them access their true. identity their self going beyond the ego. and the mind and the body. i think the basic of it is to still the. mind as much as possible. and just become a silent witness. um to that which is happening on the. screen of your consciousness. so if you um close your eyes and take a. few deep breaths.

and then um. you know i usually start with a little. reflection who am i. who wants to know the answer what is it. that wants to know the answers to the. question who am i. what is my purpose. what do i want for me and the world. what am i grateful for that's how i. start. then i go into a little bit of breathing. and then mantra meditation and then. what i do is i witness.

what's happening on the screen of my. consciousness just becoming aware. and sooner or later you realize that. what's happening on the screen of. consciousness is not who you are you're. the one who's watching that. and then what's happening on the screen. of your consciousness ultimately leads. to deep insights about. mind and body and the physical world. which actually doesn't really exist but. we can get into that when we talk about. metahuman but i think if people just ask.

these four questions every day before. they start the day even without a. prolonged meditation. process who am i. what do i want what's my purpose. what am i grateful for suddenly the. windows to the bigger reality starts. start to open absolutely this is such a. beautiful point that deepak's making. right now for everyone listening and. watching it's just such a simple way of. starting to transcend the noise and the. clutter that we feel every morning when. we wake up and the first thing we do is.

look at our phones. all you have to do is just switch that. habit for asking yourself these. questions and you don't need to know the. answers because you know there are no. fixed answers these answers keep. changing. all you have to do is live the questions. and then life keeps moving you into. answers that you need at that moment in. your life and it all happens. spontaneously synchronistically such a. great point because these answers are. revealed and received they're not. they're not found and they're pertinent. for that moment in your life not.

necessarily the answers i love that i. think that's such a good point because. so often we put this pressure when we. ask a question that we must find the. answer now it's like the education. system has drilled dust and believing. that you have the right or wrong answer. within moments now what was that poet. who said uh live the questions and life. will move you to the answers when you. need them because if you got them right. now you may not be even prepared for. them wow yeah that's a good point i know. life has done that to me a lot of times. yeah when you ask questions.

and you think you want the answer now. but then when you actually receive it. you realize yes i wasn't prepared that's. right absolutely wow what a profound. what a profound way of thinking about it. i love that that's that's made a huge. shift in my mind not even to want to. answer the questions now no just ask. them and let your day and let them go. yeah alum in the form of insight. intuition. inspiration. creative um. creativity but most importantly they. come in the form of meaningful.

coincidences. of what kalyan called synchronicity or. what religious people say grace yes. that's it yeah yeah meaningful. coincidences absolutely yeah how. beautifully said i love that so this is. what i love about your journey deepak is. just that. at every point it seems that you've. been a seeker for more like you've. continually. gone in the direction of more learning. more growth. never settling how have you seen. the medical industry shift how have you.

seen other things around you shift with. time because you've really gone all the. way do you think that we are seeing. shifts in the media yeah we are seeing. shifts when i started i felt like a. loner yeah i can imagine but now. integrative medicine is part of every. institution including academia and. in the last 15 20 years. our foundation has done a lot of. research so. we made it pretty mainstream right now.

so. to summarize very shortly what has taken. 30 years to learn or more 40 years to. learn. is that only five percent of disease. related gene mutations. are fully penetrant so let me explain. this. for a lay audience so a genetic a. genetic mutation. is a. is a mistake it's an error. in the gene. genes are stretches of dna that code for.

proteins. so dna is. stands for deoxyribonucleic acid and. there are four of these. named after alphabets adenine guanine. cytosine thymine atcg so atcg are the. four letters of life in english we have. 26 letters. and most languages human languages we. have more than 20 letters but the. language of life dna has only four.

letters atcg. and these spell out words. that we call genes and the body is a. story spelt out by those. genes so when people say first there was. the word word was made into flesh in a. way it's very literal actually when you. start to look at the biological. mechanism. now once in a while. or. more than once in a while there are. genetic mistakes so you might think of. them again with. speaking metaphorically.

but. a spelling mistake so instead of the. word being spelled correctly maybe one. of the letters atcg is missing or it's. in the wrong place or it's upside down. or you're redundant two letters instead. of one. that mistake genetic variation is called. a mutation. now only five percent of these genetic. mutations that are associated with. disease. cancer heart disease. arthritis.

strokes. you name it autoimmune diseases. alzheimer's. only five percent actually. guarantee the disease. which means if you have one of those. mutations you're going to get the. disease like angelina jolie had a gene. called the baraka gene which predicts. breast cancer 100. so she had a mastectomy to prevent the. cancer. rightly so. for those five percent there are new. technologies that are being developed.

right now. and crispr is one of them which means. you can cut and paste the gene the way. you would in email so you would take the. defective gene you'd read the bar chord. with the molecular scissors you delete. it and then you'll insert the right. chain. it's not happening right now but it'll. happen in the near future. but what people don't understand is. that's five percent of illness wow the. rest even the genetic mistakes that are. associated with disease.

depends on how you live your life and. very simple things like sleep. meditation and stress management. movement. yoga and pranayama now yoga and pranam. goes way beyond exercise because with. yoga and pranayam there's a particular. nerve in the body called the vagus nerve. it's the tenth nerve and the word vegas. is a latin word but it's related to the. english word vagabond so this nerve. comes from the midbrain. it influences your facial expressions so.

you can now do micro expressions and see. if a person is happy or not. it influences the. eye movements. it influences the tone of your voice are. you threatened are you stressed are you. friendly are you happy it influences. your heart rate activity then it pierces. the diaphragm. and it influences the activity of every. other. branch of the vagus nerve that goes to. all the organs in the body.

so when i discovered this through yoga. teachers and masters. i realized that the yoga asanas you know. we say yoga asana. and people usually translate that into. as postures. but actually the word asana means seat. as you know seat of awareness seat of. consciousness so each yogasana is a. particular seat of consciousness. that stimulates a particular nerve that. is going to. organ in your body.

and the only. reason for that nerve is self-regulation. or healing or homeostasis. so when i discovered that i became. fanatic about yoga i haven't missed yoga. now for as long as i can remember that. one amazing wow okay not one day of yoga. or meditation. or um. or pranayama so yeah it was a long time. so when you put together you know yoga. movement sleep stress management. healthy relationships and emotions like.

love compassion joy equanimity. uh. food that doesn't kill your microbiome. which is the two million extra genes in. our body which are not human so you only. have 25 000 human genes but you have two. million bacterial genes in your body. this is called the microbial microbiome. it is much it's as important as the. human genome so. you can change the activity of your. microbial genes just by changing your. diet so if you go.

not even vegan but if you go maximum. diversity on plant-based foods. and foods that are not contaminated with. antibiotics or hormones or. insecticides. um you can change your genetic activity. wow and the population of your genes. in less than six weeks and which means. then you're reinventing your body. because your body is spelled out by your. genes so this got me going. strongly into how do we reinvent our.

bodies. by resurrecting our souls. and. going past our minds and that's what i'm. obsessed with now wow i love that i'm so. glad you're obsessed with it because. the fact that we're so responsible. for our own well-being. is huge in the sense of belief that. there are ways in which we can rewrite. that story you can write the genetic. structure. of your body you can't change the human. genes by the way because you got them.

from your parents but you can change. their activity so right here's one of. our researchers um we put one. we put people through a one week. retreat. where they not only learnt mantra. meditation but they also practiced the. yoga sutras of patanjali from the. chapter on the cds. particularly transcending the senses. in one week. literally and this is published now in. major. peer-reviewed journals if people want to. check them out go to chopra.

foundation.org and you'll see all the. research and the research was in. collaboration with scientists from. harvard from ucsf from duke. from scripps of course chopra foundation. mount sinai in new york and what did we. find we found that in one week of this. practice of meditation. and the yoga sutras of patanjali all the. genes that are responsible for healing. and self-regulation they went up some. 17-fold over baseline these are human.

genes. and the genes that cause disease or. inflammation went down drastically the. enzyme there's an enzyme in our body. called telomerase it influences the. length of telomeres which are like. little buttons at the end of your. chromosomes. the the. level of the enzyme went up 40 in one. week which means. people were reversing their biological. age at a genetic level wow okay now how. far does this go we don't know and that. was just one week which is one week and.

you know the people who are in samadhi. for weeks at a time. those traditions are not that prevalent. you know there's a technique in ayurveda. called kaya kalpa where you go into a. retreat. where it is totally dark. where you have no communication with the. world where you transcend. where you eat minimal. maximum diversity of plant-based foods. and within six months you come back a.

younger person biologically. physiologically you know i'm 72 now. you're looking at i'm i'm i you know i'm. not. focused on aging anymore yeah i've got i. think that's a mistake for anyone who. uh follows deepak on social media. instagram or facebook if you don't. already i highly recommend it but i've. never seen you miss a day of yoga. meditation i see you every time when you. inspire me so much because i just think. like if you're able. at your current body's age to be able to.

do the things you are with your body and. how healthy you are and how healthy your. body and mind are i mean we have no. excuses there's biological age which is. the exact biomarkers so. what's blood pressure bone density body. temperature regulation fat content. cholesterol. vision hearing skin thickness wrinkles. hormones. that's biological age then there's. chronological age when you were born. what your birth certificate says yes. then there's psychological age how do.

you feel yes and then there's spiritual. age which is timeless which has no age. whatsoever. so you know we have to make these. distinctions and see which. of these we're talking about 100 100 and. when you said at the end there that. you're not thinking about aging anymore. what did you mean by that when you said. that. it's now um. something i talk about. in my new book made a human. that. what we call body. mind.

and world. and aging and birth and death. are actually human constructs they're. not real now uh we can go into that. to the extent that you want yeah yeah. yeah control can we dive into the book. for a bit we can yeah yeah let's do it. if that's what you want to do let's see. yeah yeah yeah yeah no no i'd love to. i've got so many questions on the book. that we'd put together for you so i'm. happy to do that so in one of the things. this is what i was looking at the you. start the book by prompting two. questions.

right in moments where you feel very. happy do you watch yourself being happy. and when you're angry. is someone is some part of you free of. anger. right. why did you start with this so in all. the spiritual traditions um not. necessarily just the eastern. traditions. they speak of two worlds the imminent. and the transcendent. so the imminent is this world that we're. in right now this space-time causality.

new york city the hotel we're in. and then the transcendent world is the. world of. infinite. being or consciousness. at all times we're in both these worlds. without knowing. but once you become aware even slightly. that the awareness of a thought is not a. thought. right. if you're able to observe a thought then. you the observer is not that thought.

right. similarly the observer of the emotion or. which is the awareness of an emotion is. not the emotion agreed. or a perception or a color you know. right now we are perceiving through our. five senses. and what we are perceiving is colors. forms. shapes. sounds. sensations in our body. maybe emotions. and thoughts.

and maybe images. that's the raw material of experience. that's all there is. okay. the words body mind and world are human. constructs. based on the interpretation of these raw. sensations. so once you start to become a witness. of experience you realize that you are. intrinsically free of the experience. unless you identify with it unless you. say that's me yes it's not you it's an.

experience you're having right. absolutely so once you bind yourself to. the experience which we call the karmic. web. of existence. then you are in that. circle of karma memory desire. you are constantly seeking validation. you're afraid of people who criticize. you you're flattered by people who. flatter you. you feel beneath someone or superior to.

someone it's the melodrama of our daily. existence yes when you can observe. what's happening. in the realm of experience. and instead of reacting to it you. observe the reaction to react even for a. second. instead of reacting to the experience. you observe the reaction to react. you suddenly realize that your range of. options or choices. right this moment is actually infinite.

and you don't have to be a bundle of. conditioned reflexes and nerves. that's constantly being triggered by. people and circumstances into. predictable outcomes so you become. you become you're at the mercy of every. stranger on the street so i think it's. very important to know that yes i'm. having this experience. but i am intrinsically free of this. experience so that's how the book starts. yeah and i absolutely love that because. it's. an analogy i usually used to share that.

experience is like when we're in a car. and someone hits the car we say oh. someone hit me yes but actually they. didn't hit you they hit the car yeah and. you're identifying as the car as. yourself. yes now how about if they hit your body. yeah you know and and your body perishes. right yes so that's the argument people. have against. the argument. that. spiritual people have which is. you're not your body you're not your.

mind so but you know you remember that. famous. dialogue between samuel johnson and. um and whoever that idealist was and he. said you know the world is a projection. of consciousness. and i think it was samuel johnson who. hit his leg on a piece of stone and said. i refute you thus. saying that you know. you get hit by a bus you're going to. you're going to break your bones and you. might die sure so uh why do you say that.

the physical world is an illusion now if. you want we can address that yeah let's. address that yeah let's address that. yeah so. you know this is of course i take people. through the book very slowly. but if you asked a regular person on the. street. what is this. they'd say it's a microphone. if you ask them what's this. you'd say this is a watch. what's this this is my hand what's this. this is my body.

now if you really start to look at this. very carefully. before you call anything by its name. microphone hand body. um watch. before you use that those words. it's an experience. and the experience is actually not a. physical experience. color form and shape are not physical. experiences if i asked you where in the. physical world is the color red located.

you would say. nowhere in fact there's no color red in. the physical world what's coming to your. eyes are electromagnetic vibrations. which have no color what's happening. in your eyes there's no color and if i. asked you to imagine a beautiful run red. sunset. you have a picture in your consciousness. but there's no picture in your brain. there's no picture in your eyes. and actually the sunset.

is not if you're imagining it it's not. in the physical world now what you don't. realize is when you're looking at a real. sunset all you're experiencing is color. the rest is a story. okay that's a sunset. this is a body. okay color shapes. textures sensations smells images. emotions. and thoughts have no location in the. physical world. and yet out of this raw material we.

create the idea of a physical world. so in sanskrit that's called jagat. mithya the world appearance. on the screen of your consciousness and. your body is part of that world. appearance because people you know they. say where are you people say i'm here. but there's no one inside there. okay because this is also an experience. in consciousness. the mind is an experience in. consciousness moreover it's a shifting. experience in consciousness. no you know a thought is ungraspable.

it's ephemeral it's evanescent you can't. catch one. okay you can't catch a perception look. here i look there these are two. snapshots of perception and they're. evanescent i look at my body and by the. time i look at again it's a different. body because it's recycling so fast at. the level of atoms and molecules and. information and energy. so the fact that we call this a body. it's actually a changing experience of. sensations images feelings and thoughts.

that is a modified form of your own self. and it's changing it's ungraspable same. thing with the mind it's ungraspable. same thing which we will call with the. world it's a changing experience. of shifting what we call qualia in the. in the spiritual literature now in the. consciousness literature there's this. word qualia instead of quantum a quantum. is a unit of measurement but a qualia is. a unit of experience so if i tell you. think of your wife right now and you see.

an image that's a qualia now feel the. emotion connected with that that's a. qualia. now think of what you want to do with. her this evening go out for dinner or a. movie that's a qualia so qualia are. units. of experience when we string them. together. we create the construct of mind body and. world. and once we create that construct then. we're stuck with constructs like birth. and death and karma and memory and. desire.

and all the things which make a very. fascinating human experience. but it's not reality. it's we are already in a virtual reality. okay so today with. vr. and immersive augmented experiences and. dreamscapes. it is becoming clear that the world that. you and i are inhabiting right now is a. collective human dreamscape. and as body minds we have fictional. characters in that.

dreamscape. and it's an illusion that we can upgrade. or we can downgrade. you know we can create heaven out of it. or hell but it's still not fundamental. reality and now with the new. technologies this is becoming very clear. once you realize that the world is a. construct. yes the construct has been evolving. through mythology through religion. through economics through history. through society through culture.

but it's still a construct. and what these great seers these great. rishis were able to do is they were able. to deconstruct it once you deconstruct. it what are you left with you know when. you left you've heard that expression. 1880 i'm not the mind i'm not the body. i'm not the intellect i'm i'm the. observer. what are you left with. once you deconstruct everything what. you're left with. is formless. infinite.

dynamic. field of infinite possibilities infinite. creativity. infinite love. and the source of intention. so that's what yoga originally was and. should be. yoga means union union with the self. which is also the self of the universe. and this is where you know i got. totally. seduced. that human suffering as the vedanta says.

comes from not knowing true reality. fundamental reality confusing. perceptual reality with fundamental. reality. grasping and clinging. that which you cannot grasp or cling the. fear of impermanence. the construct of the ego and the fear of. death these are all the same thing not. knowing what is real and what is a. projection and even the projection. can be changed absolutely wow what a.

class in what a master class in in in. reality an illusion. how does then one function within the. world. but then still understand because i. think the challenge people have on a. day-to-day basis as you've probably. heard for decades is this well if it if. if what i'm experiencing is not complete. reality. then where do i go from there like what. do i do. marry do i fall in love why not do i go. to the movies you know i used to go to a. lot of movies i don't that much anymore.

because. what we call everyday reality is a more. interesting movie than most movies yeah. don't have the imagination to capture. the what is happening. in what we call everyday reality. so we are in it. we might as well enjoy it and. upgrade it and that's. what. the expression is to be in the world and. not of this world okay or we are. spiritual beings having a human. experience or non-local beings having a. local experience.

timeless but in time. once you understand that and once you. also get into the habit. of self-reflection self-inquiry. observing perceptual experiences without. necessarily judging them so i'm right. now having the experience of. colors and forms and tastes and smells. and sounds. i don't necessarily have to. qualify this experience. and transcendence where you know you go. to that place where there is no mantra.

and no thought and just. deep stillness. then the shift starts to occur that. you're not identifying with your body. mind or experiences of the world and yet. you're enjoying them or not enjoying. them and now you want to do. something to. shift. and since you're in the world you know. about. 25 years ago i wrote this book. how to make that practical and.

i don't know how but. basically i came up with the idea of the. seven spiritual laws of success the law. of pure potentiality the law of giving. and receiving karma. intention desire. least effort. and detachment and dharma. those seven principles guided me into a. new idea of what success is. the progressive realization of worthy. goals the ability to love have. compassion.

but most importantly to identify with. your creative center instead of the. projection that's coming from that. center because most of the time. our experience of. is coming from identifying with a. projection that has been created by the. conditioned or ego mind now the ego mind. is not going to disappear. as long as you're in this body or. actually you're not in the body the body. is in you but whatever. so it's not going to disappear but if.

you keep it in the background and you're. aware of it. and you ask yourself what am i motivated. by and i have these little tricks in my. mind pursue excellence ignore success. and then everything happens. synchronicity meaningful coincidences. the state of grace effortless being. spontaneous fulfillment of desire these. are little things over the years that. i've gleaned as my little catch phrases. to remind myself yes.

i must. live a life that is based on love. and if it's not based on love at the. highest level you know as. the vedanta say. love should radiate from you like light. from a bonfire yeah not focused on. anyone and not denied to anyone it's. just the light of the sun i really think. that entertainment and education should. go hand in hand like. i don't under i'm like why do we have. like billions of billions of dollars. going into entertainment and yet we.

can't add like 20 percent of that into. like just put education within the. entertainment yeah it should be fun it. should be exciting like it's like i said. in the beginning like it's what we're. here to do is learn and like create. learn create learn create it's just like. this circle and so it's like. i don't know finding how to. re. reignite their passions is. uh for themselves like fall in love with. themselves and then reignite the passion. is. really really powerful to me and then by. helping these girls like i know that.

when they're they become moms they're. they're gonna understand not to give. away their identity because one of the. things that i see in moms like so much. of the time is they just like. they just become mom. and i and i'm like no you're still. this girl before you're a mom and you're. still and i i i think one of the things. that i wish that i wish or i wish for. all of this to help is. to make sure that these girls. continue on with who they are and then.

it's like who they are and then they're. all of the subcategories all of the. characters that they play go below that. um. because i've seen it too much in. marriages like the. the female just loses her identity and. then becomes resentful. it's what happened in my family i've. seen it way too many times with the. people around me i'm just like how can. how can we heal this and this is like. actually an ongoing conversation in my. head so. it's just like yeah no i'm really glad. you brought that up i've i'm i'm working. on my second book right now and i talk a. lot about how.

you know in a partnership. in any relationship the goal is to. always help each other find each other's. purpose exactly because if you're not. doing that like when i think about me. and my wife when i met my wife i was. quite clear about what i wanted to do. and she had loads of talents and skills. but didn't quite know what she was going. to do with them. and over the last five years of us being. married she's really coming to her own. and she's. really growing and flourishing and. thriving and it's been beautiful to. watch. but i fully agree with you that it's.

you can't think that oh no but your. purpose is just to do this or your. purpose just to look out look after the. home or your purpose even as a whoever. the role is doesn't matter what gender. you are but the idea of your purpose is. just to make money for the house like. that's not a purpose like we all have so. much more to do so i love that you. brought that up because you get lost in. your role yeah you you get lost in your. roles that's like a real thing and. that's what i'm learning from acting as. well i was like don't get lost in your. roles like don't do that like i've i've. heard people do method acting that have.

actually lost relationships in the real. world because of that. and so when i hear that i'm like wow. exactly well it's a great example of. what we do in real life as well yeah. um because i do think like at some point. with like a long-term relationship or. friendship whatever it is it's like you. choose. to have them come with you. and if you're not choosing that then. the relationship didn't work not because. it was like you didn't bring them along.

or they didn't or you didn't see where. they were going and wanted to come with. them it is as much as like we love the. butterflies and we love all that this is. a team partnership yes like if you go we. go yeah you know yeah. we go and you can't be someone's purpose. like don't try and make it like no i am. your purpose like what i do is your. purpose and my purpose is the same as. yours it doesn't work it doesn't work. like that like you can't project your. purpose onto another person. and expect them to just want to live for.

that right exactly exactly and then this. is all of these things i've been. learning recently like in the last. couple of years especially with like. going through like so many public. relationships and having. that be. oh god public relationships are. terrified oh my god after i was like i'm. good after. after my last public relationship i was. like i'm good i'm so good i'm gonna just. be me in my own little world. no one gets no um because.

not only. are you creating roles in the. relationship but now you have the public. creating characters of the people that. you are so it's like you're fighting. like. you're. it's like you're having conversations. with like four different versions of the. person you're dating and you're like oh. my god like and half of them aren't even. real. yeah. it's like a foggy mirror you're just. like hello um so that's been really. interesting and then i always feel that. relationships are. the.

best reflection as to where you are. right because they're just like i'm just. your walking reflection right now that's. why we're in this together right so i i. always get excited. when i because i'm starting to just meet. so many amazing people and i think. that's like what i've been learning as. well is just like. there's no there's no villain anymore. it's like we can. stay together or we can leave. in good faith and good heart and like. it's just it's not you know in high. school you're just like. what. um now it's just like oh good like you.

you did me a service by leaving because. you were being disserviced to me and you. for staying because you didn't feel so. it's like at the end of the day it's all. perfect like what can i it's all perfect. yeah and then trusting that like what. helps you trust and accept that when. most of our minds hold on to the. but it could have been like this or. because i feel that's what it is right. it's always this battle between. imagination and reality. and a lot of us prefer our imagination. yeah but then we have to yeah and then.

we have to deal with reality and i oh. i've read something actually i want to. read this to you because i think you'll. like it wait let me find it let me find. it i have to read it to you because i. don't want to mess it up you know it's. it's you know when you like try and say. something. so this is by. johann wolfgang and he said few people. have the imagination. for reality ooh. and i read that and it literally. like it really that's like there's. something it packs a punch right it's. like few people have the imagination for.

reality and i was thinking. wow wow like i think my imagination's. good but if i had a really good. imagination i'd be able to accept and. trust my reality well you're kind of. like i'm a great storyteller and the. universe is like. sit down. sit down you can tell it later once it's. over you can say it's yours but it was. mine like that's like fully like what i. experienced that's beautiful. you know it's like. sit down like you you write it while i. create like you know what i mean like. you remember it you tell the story it's.

ours you know but it's mine but it's. ours you write i'll edit it yeah and so. like that's kind of the relationship. that i always see and per your question. earlier. imagination and reality it's. i always at this point with heartbreaks. there i don't see it as heartbreak. anymore i see it as growing pains and. that's sometimes even worse because. you're just like i was i was good. i was good with just this like i didn't. i didn't i don't want to grow like i'm. good like i'm tired i just want to like.

watch netflix and chill like i don't. want to evolve anymore. even though i like just got here in. retrospect but like it's still and so if. i look at it as growing pains. and then. you know as because we're all artists. we're all artists and so what i'll do. now and it's actually so intoxicating is. i'll. create. i'll write poetry i'll write music. based off of the experience i mean we. know all of the biggest artists in the. world are like let me tell you about my. heartbreak. and then they get they blow up because.

of that and i'm just like. that's in all of us and so every single. time that i have a new experience of. heartbreak or just not working out or. whatever it is. i'm like there is there is gold in this. pain there's gold in this pain and i. cannot wait to get it out i'm just like. so i get i get this weird like i get. heartbroken then i get really excited so. it goes back and forth it's almost. um. and i always i always tell people i'm. like when someone leaves your life. it's okay to feel like you're grieving.

and death because the character that. they played in your life is not there. anymore and so you are grieving someone. that's no longer there like you are like. when i get broken up with with someone i. truly love and i'm crying and i'm in. that space it is. very similar. pain to when i lost my mom and so like i. always wish when any time like my. girlfriends me and she's like crying. sobbing i'm just like this is valid. don't worry like feel it like feel it. because you lost a character that you. thought was in this season but it's not.

and like you thought he was going to be. your season finale he's not but it's all. good there's a season. 60 there's season 40 like you know. there's so many seasons in your life so. it's just. coming back to. oh so if if he wasn't meant to be here. then. what i attracted was more parts of. myself i became more me because he came. into my life and that is the biggest. blessing i could have ever asked for. like i. am a product of everyone that i've dated.

and i've and i've found i've fallen in. love with them. and then those parts that i fall in love. with i've like. i like i took them for myself and so. i almost i'm getting to the point now. where i don't grieve it anymore because. i'm like well the person that i was in. love with i became. and so that's so interesting how even if. that person wasn't there no the parts. that you thought you fell in love with. like how powerful it is like. relationships always fascinate me. because i've always been a relationship. girl and. seeing.

how much. people grow after relationships it's. like i mean you guys have ever seen like. don't break a girl's heart you know what. i mean like it hap i just i just watched. my sister do this and i'm just like. she's gonna be so good after this like. i'm so. girls get hotter like it's just like. it's such a vibe i i get i get so. excited because we need it's almost like. um the fire.

it's like it breaks your heart open so. you can light fire and i'm just like yes. like let's go so. it sucks it always sucks um but once. again like back to that same belief that. i had like the more he pulls you back. it's like a slingshot he'll just like. launch you for it so i just at the. beginning of 2020 i was just like. oh this is painful. this is painful i wonder what's going to. happen and. now it's like i can honestly say i've. helped more people than i ever would. have imagined and. i'm also like playing with this belief.

and like i think all companies should is. like. can we just like stop this idea that. like. a company or a brand. living forever is success because it's. just it's not like it's not sustainable. things evolves and so i always tell. myself i'm like whether this company. stays whether it does that's not the. point that was never the point the point. is is i've helped i would say over now. like 10 000 girls truly like actually. help them like speaking to them talking. to them one-on-one and that i will carry.

with me they will carry with them like. that's good enough. so it's like it's almost like this is. good enough it's okay it doesn't have to. last forever none of these things have. to last forever i feel like we're so. in in companies in general even though. this is a community but like companies. it's like we're so thirsty. to just be the monopoly and i'm like no. yeah what is this world going to look. like if we're all trying to be. monopolies we can't yeah like. are you good are you safe you have a. roof over your head you can host people. like you're good. you're good like let's now how can we.

return the fate and and do more and it's. like. so i. that's kind of where i'm at with weird. warriors is like it will continue and. it's going to be amazing but. the impact is already there and i'm so. honored to like do have that impact on. them you know it's just because it's so. real no you i'm so glad that you're. owning that. and accepting that because i can agree. with you more i think we're fascinated. with. longevity and lasting till the end and. even in relationships you stretch out. far longer than it needs to be just.

because we think end means failure. failure and and you're so spot on that. the impact. the end is insignificant really it's. it's all about what's happening right. now in this place right today. and forget i'm like it's right here fam. yeah if you're making an impact yeah if. you're making an impact on all of these. women today. and they're impacting each other and. you're empowering. them to also become their own experts. and discover their skills i mean. that's beautiful yeah and i'm so glad.

that you made that point because i think. our. our obsession with making something lost. is unhealthy everything yeah it's. unhealthy it's unhealthy it's unhealthy. and you're only 24 yeah right now yeah. yeah which is amazing yeah like that's. that's that's the insane part here i. feel like i'm speaking to the oldest. soul in the world and then i have to. remind myself. and it's that's that's such a wonderful. thing because you know you're carrying. your mother's energy in such a special.

way yeah no it comes through it's like. it's it's so. clear yeah that that you know and it's. cool too because like for anyone who's. lost someone. y'all have a speed dial up there like. you guys can just like. i literally i'm like mom. and she's. she's right there and so i'm like you. have the strongest connection to the. other side or whatever you believe it's. really truly whatever you believe. because. i'm pretty sure all this is made up i. mean we're just like i'm sitting on an.

idea right now which trips me out. sometimes i don't know like it's weird. um but. it's like we have such a deep connection. to the other side because we have that. person on the other side and so i. utilize that as much as i can and. whenever i forget. um. i just like i'm like how can i remember. how can i remember i think that's where. i am right now i just i i will. um it's always the environment too so. like. i'll choose incense i'll make lights. candles and i'll just sit down and i'll. remember like whether that's just. sitting in silence it's helping me.

remember but. or just writing until something else. comes out that's what it's or talking to. a friend about it like i. i think i'm at and i think we're all at. that point where it's not it's not so. much you're learning something new. it's almost you're just remembering. what was already there on top of. everything else per what my sister said. about the onions and just unraveling it. and so um. it's constantly coming back to that but. like i still you know still suffer like. we all suffer like it's all good it's. all good.

how have you got through that you know. you talked about this earlier and i. think. you've experienced this like you've and. and i love what you said because we were. we were connecting on this beforehand. and i i sometimes feel the same way. because i thought i was going to be a. monk and that's. literally what i. built up so before that i had so many. passions but. my parenting was ignore the passion do. the safe thing. and so my passions were music my. passions were spoken word and my passion. was philosophy.

do you still write spoken books i do i. do yeah it's it's such a passion for me. and i feel like a lot of my videos and a. lot of my content is still. wordplay and and has so much i still use. this spoken word in a different way. today exactly and so that's so much a. part of my life but it was like do the. safe thing and so i was studying. business and i thought i'd be an. investment banker or a consultant or. whatever any of that stuff and then i. became a monk that became my dream. and. mom dad yeah literally like from all of. that to that but even letting go of that.

i would say i'm most myself in what i do. today. and being a monk was part of that but. it's not all of me. and being in media which is what i am. now is not all of me it's a part of me. and then being in the world of business. was a part of me it's not all of me and. i think you are so right that we limit. ourselves we feel society limiting us. and we feel we have to choose to be one. thing and i think that the fact that. you're 24 years old and you've allowed. yourself.

to continue to do this and you still do. today i think that's so wonderful. because i think a lot of people stay. stuck until. again. wanting to make something last yeah. wanting to make something last and like. every single thing and i i will say this. with absolute certainty like every. single thing that any of you guys have. been doing and that you feel like was. the thing and then it's not it is. serving yes. what your thing is like ballet i spent. literally 20 almost 20 years every day. four five six hours a day i would be on.

point and my feet still hurt you know. like it's just like but. because of that it's translated into. storytelling i know how to use my body. my work ethic is insane i understand i. know how to take direction there is. i know how to feel when i move like it. has literally serviced me in everything. i've done and so it's just it's almost. just like being okay with. letting it go but then you don't. actually let it go it's always there. that's the thing it's like it's always. there serving you yeah um.

and so that's that's how i feel with. pretty much everything i do my mom said. another thing my mom said is like she. goes um just be passionately curious. because. put so much pressure on us so my mom. would always just be like just be. curious. like just like follow your curiosities. and if if it doesn't lead you anywhere. just be like oh that was interesting and. then go over here and so that's that's. what i do and like given i do i still of. course have big dreams but like i let my. curiosity. take me. like. and i don't.

the big dream is not the goal it's like. the little moments that get up to it. right right so like when i'm. when i'm having a director meeting and. i'm like talking to them about. a role or whatever it is it's like my. intention in that call is to make the. director feel good not to get the part. and so just like having those little. indirect of like wow that's such a huge. thing you just dropped yeah. that's a huge thing it's who you are. it's who all of us are it's like if you. can. stop going well this is my goal to like. my intention i think intentions are.

actually the most underrated most. powerful things i've ever like i still. learn about how we have an intention 24. 7 with everything every single thing we. do we just like sometimes we're aware of. it sometimes we're not and so when you. can put an attention an intention on. something before you do it it's. it's crazy how powerful it is so it's. like. i always make sure because at the end of. the day and this is kind of what we're. all looking for i think even more so. than the diploma than the thing and the. degree is someone that we connect to.

someone that we feel close to someone. that we almost feel like we've already. met before like that essence comes from. the intention. of making that person feel connected. not from. i hope i'm right for this i hope i'm. this and so like i whenever i hire from. my company that's my intention i was. like i don't really i don't care where. you went to college. why would i care like i care about who. you are like what like what's your like. what's your intention like. how are you gonna be fun to work with.

like are we gonna because ideally i want. you to be in this for the long run and. so do i wanna be talking to you for the. next five to ten years like what does. that look like and so having that. perspective on when it comes to jobs. when it comes to. meetings anything ever is like the human. connection should go first no matter. what no matter how bad you want it like. the human connection is first um that's. actually. been the best like magic trick my mom. taught me because it's like it it always. it always provides what i need and then.

what the other person needs so for. instance i was like. very excited for this role that i almost. got a couple weeks ago i was very. excited i won't say any names. and. he was so sweet and we were talking we. were having such a good time and i. really understood the character and it. was really great but then you know. because i don't i'm not very experienced. in the space he was like we're gonna. choose someone else and i was like. that's completely fine but then i was. sitting in meditation and i had this. urge to write him an email and i didn't. i didn't know why because my goal wasn't.

necessarily to get the part i just. almost felt like the the connection of. me and him wasn't finished and so i just. sent him a thank you and i was like. thank you so much for speaking giving me. your time like learning about me because. who i am matters because you need to get. to know if i fit the care like all of. these things and because of that it. almost solidified our relationship and. that but that wasn't my intention my. intention was just like this isn't over. i don't know why and i'm just gonna sit. down and see so like listening to. almost like letting it overpower whether. or not.

[Music]. what happened it's like if you don't. feel like it's finished like go in there. with the intention. that. you want to just solidify. the mirror that you guys are reflecting. towards each other as opposed to like. the opportunity that's kind of on the. sidelines yeah um so that's been a huge. tool huge it's like actually like the. probably the reason i'm here to be. honest. so. check it out. shout out tool did you say. i love that today i've discovered how.

funny you are which is great which is. really awesome which is really awesome. so i i love that we're going to have so. many memes made out of this interview. for you. there's going to be so many great ones. alexis is there something that i haven't. asked you about that's like on your mind. you're like i have to share this i want. to share i want to say this uh before we. go into the final five but i want to. know if there's anything that you're. feeling intuitively as you are just. thank you so much like actually thank. you so much i'm going to deteriorate. just like saying it but thank you i feel.

like i don't know. it was weird like once i finally. solidified this podcast with you. there something like clicked inside of. me and i was like. like i am becoming the person i want to. be and like i and so just like thank you. for showing that to me because it really. i i'm not yeah i just thank you i have. no i just like words don't. they they're not it right now so but. thank you. yeah so just that's it that's all i have. to say. i love that i love that that means the. world to me and and i'm and i'm hoping.

that. that synergy and synchronicity continues. and you know this is the beginning of a. great friendship so. that's that's that's my hope i i i. really believe that. honestly the podcast for me has either. been a place where. i had a lot of relationships offline. that people didn't know the types of. conversations we were having and so the. podcast was a great way of me sharing. hey i'm really good friends with the. person this is what we talk about. and i want everyone to hear it. and then it's also been the opposite.

where it's been like here's someone i'm. really interested to get to know. and i wanted to start a friendship and. so it's perfect yeah and so the podcast. for me has been so much more than and. it's what you're saying about a. community more than a company or a brand. like the podcast for me is not a. show like that's that's not the point of. it like it's it's a it's a way i can get. to know humans that i'm interested in or. i find interesting and help people learn. about them so actually i should be. thanking you.

because. you know i think sitting down with you. today has just. completely blown my mind and opened up. my mind to just so many possibilities as. to. how. someone. who's navigated so many stressful. situations and i think the closer you. get to it the more you realize how hard. it is so when i was a young kid and i. grew up in london i knew no one in the. entertainment industry i was not in la. or hollywood everyone in my area was you. know. not going off to work in anything to do.

with the world i'm in now. and because of that you look at people. and you go oh life must be easy for you. you guys have money you guys have fame. uh you guys are attractive you you m. life why are you complaining right. and as i've got closer to the industry. closer to people that i coach that i. work with clients of mine. i've only just had more compassion. for everyone. both the people that are. like me sitting back there judging and. then both the people are in this. situation because i realized we're all.

just feeling some type of pain. and the more we can rise to that point. without judgment. the better it's going to be for us. because we can evolve together yeah if. we expect anyone who's successful to be. always happy then what we're saying is. when i become successful i have to. always be happy. and that pressure is right back on us. it's interesting how that works and it's. almost like um. yeah anything that we direct outwards. is an exact manifestation of what's. going to happen inside of us and so we. have to be so careful with our words.

like i don't why do you think they call. it spelling. spells like i'm like wow. that's true that's good i've not heard. that before i like that that's good the. words are like i am oh my god. when i hear girls say like i am. ugly or i am i'm just like. no. no like you can no i refuse to let you. say that about yourself because you. would never say that about your daughter. you would never say that about your. friend and so it's.

it truly is like having these honest. conversations with anyone at any level. has been eye-opening to me and that's. one of the reasons why i've always loved. the podcast so much because i got to. actually just see. the person and not the characters that i. see them play. in life um. so that's really it's really inspiring. and then also knowing that. pain happens on any level like pain is. pain you know like. me. losing someone from a breakup is just as.

painful as me losing my mom to death and. i was like that was a weird that was. weird i was like and you almost feel. guilty or like you feel like can i feel. that do i allow myself to so it's like. yeah validating on any level because. that's actually what connects us as well. and and i almost feel like until we. um we have. the goal right now is to to connect at. every level of being human and then from. there i mean i i'm pretty sure like an. evolution would happen which would be. really cool that'd be really cool i'd be. like whoa. can you imagine if we had everyone at.

the same time be like love yeah. can you. that would be crazy i've heard i'm sure. you've like heard of those stories where. like um. they have like monks praying at same at. the all at the same time like 3000. months or whatever and like the crime. rates goes down in the city. i've definitely heard i've seen studies. on that before yeah same um but just. those kinds of scenarios would be like i. think that's. the i that that's what that's what my. work. would ideally my like. hard work i guess is what it's there for.

is to like have just. more moments of like just people being. an absolute like love and even when i. can facilitate like we were talking. about hosting and how like it's like i. have the big house if you're not. putting everyone in it like posting it. like why do i have a balcony i'm not. gonna do anything on it like i'm gonna. have all my friends like there and like. host people and like why do i have more. than one bedroom so i can let my friends. be there and like just hosting and. having that environment where like we. come together and bring like real. connection it is. so it's it's helping the planet so much.

more than we know i've got two more. questions for you before we go into the. final five because i've just there's so. many things i can talk to you about uh. the first question i want to ask you was. around your passion for acting now. so. you know what right now is making you so. passionately curious about acting what. is it about. roles what is it about your development. as an artist. that connects you so much to acting. it's it's almost like proving to myself. how many. different.

persons or identities i can be i think. it's like. we almost i feel. even though i seem outgoing i'm actually. quite terrified all the time. um and i would say i'm like an ambiver. like an in-between. but when it comes. to acting i don't have a choice. like i have to show up as this person. if i'm nervous like it doesn't matter. and like once i'm not thinking about. lines once i'm like in that state where. i just like have it memorized to the. heart and i can just be there. um it's it's similar to flow state i'm.

sure you've written i've read all i love. flow state. yeah i love this it is the goal yes for. everything always. so it puts me in flow state basically i. don't there's no time i don't remember. i'm not thinking about myself i'm not. thinking about my body i'm not thinking. there's it's just i'm just here. and like similar similar to the way like. when you surf like you're on a wave it's. like it's those like 30 seconds of just. like i blacked out i wasn't even there. no and you're saying that you can. actually surf so you've actually had. that experience.

like most people use that analogy but. we've never served so but you actually. said. anything yeah yeah just like any but you. can actually serve yeah i deserve. decently not good enough to the point. where i'm like. that guy in the surf being like where'd. you catch my wave bro i'm like but just. those moments like i think i'm right now. i'm just searching for those moments in. my life i'm just like. when am i am i going to forget time here. am i going to free a time here and so. acting is just one of those things that. i've. seen is such a powerful.

and also it's it's best because i think. i get to lose track of time with another. person and i feel like like connection. is so strong for me and so it's like i. remember oh my god this was such a cool. moment on my first set. um it was an older actor he's been. around for a long time i'm sure you know. him i don't remember his name but he was. very very kind and we had a scene. together where he was kind of just like. um. like getting in my face about something. um basically saying that i like wasn't. worthy or what i don't know and i was. just like i got this i got this. i got this scene don't worry guys um.

and he was like getting in my face and i. just remember a moment where like we. like lost i just it was i just wasn't. there and he wasn't there and it was. just a pure moment and i wasn't acting. and i was actually feeling everything. and then afterwards he comes to me and. he looked at me at crafty's the little. uh snack area he was like you get it. he was like you get it don't you i was. like yeah and he was like keep doing it. kid like keep doing it it's amazing. and he was like you get it. and he was like. he almost it was almost as if he like. said like.

you're closer to. source in those moments like and so he. looked at me like you get it and i just. flipped out after because i was eating. banana being like i did it i did it. i get it and so after that i was like. okay this is like what i meant to do now. for now i guess. and like we'll see where that goes. um but yeah i just once again like the. intention. the paths change but the intention stays. the same.

so i think that's what keeps me again. loved that i just love that yeah i. couldn't agree more yeah i think that's. been the challenge for so many people we. try and keep our path the same. and then but we don't know our attention. yeah we don't have our attention yeah. yeah but keeping your intention the same. and the path changing oh i can so relate. to that so back to those notes yeah like. any intentions that you guys have like. any of it just. write it down so at least you just know. yeah you just know because i forget my. intentions of course yeah you have to. repeat them daily i repeat them daily in.

my prayer in my affirmation. at the beginning and end of the day i. have to exactly exactly and then from. there it almost like i. and this is this may be a weird belief. but i've been seeing this a lot in my. life all the best things in my life i. didn't work for. and i keep seeing that as a pattern i'm. like maybe god maybe god doesn't want us. to struggle like the way like. it's because everything that i've. struggled for wasn't meant for me so. that's been really interesting of almost. being like. you take the rings like you take the.

reins i'll create the intention but you. create the story and like i'll trust the. path and like whatever that is like. let's go like let's make it fun right. because like i i do feel like. the more you can give. to god to like if he if he gives you. like a ball a red ball for instance like. like if you have fun and you're playing. with it he's gonna be like oh he's she's. playing with it i'll give her something. else like oh and it's just like it's. almost like entertain like show him or. show the universe that like you're so. stoked of what it gave you that it wants.

to give you more like you almost you. know when like you have i have a puppy. her name's angel and whenever i give her. a treat she's so stoked that i ever. treat that i'm like i gotta give you. another one. and so like i almost feel like that's. and then when i walk my dog and she like. is not least trained yet so she'll just. be like like choking yourself out trying. to like go everywhere and i'm just like. is this what i look like. oh no i learned so much from dogs also. when a dog my dog is obsessed with a. ball. one ball in particular it's gross i.

can't believe she still has it i'm just. like oh my god um. so obsessed with this ball and i'm like. that is amazing and literally her only. goal with this ball is to give it back. to me so that i can throw it so she can. catch it so i can give it back to her. shoot there's there's no point to this. whatsoever and so it showed me i was. like. do it just for the act like don't do it. for like the the idea the goal or the. dream just just do it and so like. whenever i play ball with her i practice. that i'm like i'm acting just because. it's fun because i just do it or i'm. creating this company because it's fun. and i just this is just what i do like i.

just it's just fun and like because. every single time i've gotten caught up. in like the huge image of things is like. when i've lost sight. of my heart's path and i'm just like ah. yeah so. but the greatness isn't within that path. like for sure but it's never like the. same path as you would see because it's. literally just you playing with a ball. and you're just like what's the point. god yeah like just wait like just keep. doing it for fun yeah yeah keep doing it. for fun you're doing it for fun and so i. almost and like now that i'm 24 i'm i'm. in this adult life and i'm just like.

do i need to get serious now. but it's so strong you i feel it heavy. on me now yeah i need a schedule i need. to wake up this time and. god's like no you're not lazy if you. sleep in that's a belief let's get rid. of that like no you're not like did you. no it's just. literally i'm now taking off layers that. i just got i'm like whoa what is this. what and now that i'm coming into my. mid-20s i'm just like.

what. is this not supposed to be fun anymore. because like that's what i've heard and. that's what i like see a lot of times. but i just refuse because it's so. inspiring to meet. i have a few friends that are like i. would say like in their 50s or 16s and. they're like. children having the best in their life. yeah. and everything works out for them. everything works out for them and i'm. just like. that is. if i'm gonna tell a story i'd rather it. be like that yeah i've added play back.

into my life so much like play is like. one of my number one values that's why i. got a dog in life yeah you're going to. the park yes not for the dog for you but. you're going to the park yeah i just. want more play in my life and there was. a there was a beautiful quote by richard. branson where he said that. you know you don't stop playing because. you get old you get old because you stop. playing. and and i love that because it's it's. been so big for me i'm at a place in my. life from like i play is a huge value. and it sounds insane and people don't. get it i just got back from miami i was. there for two weeks and we were on a.

really busy schedule we were working. from like 8 a.m to 9 00 p.m every single. day but at 9 00 pm every day we'd go and. play paddle tennis from 9 to 11 yes and. i felt like a kid every night where i. was just waiting to be out in the paddle. court and i was just like have you ever. played paddle tennis okay it's amazing. it's it's i i am the biggest advocate of. this sport i've introduced many. but but play is just such a big value. for me now yeah and even when i'm with. friends i'm like what can we do that's. playful that's playful like we've been.

i've been doing crazy things with. friends like archery and like painting. lessons and whatever it is because i. just want to play you just want to play. and it's it it's. it's where we create new passions play. is where we create new passions so also. boredom i i. always am like bornhem is so valuable. especially now with our phones and like. all of this instant gratification and. we've heard a million times and it's all. known now but like. for real though like i can't even drive. without being like. don't text and drive but look at all. these billboards yeah you know it's. weird i'm just like they're telling and.

it's just all of this is trying. everything is trying to get your. intention everything is trying to get. your attention like to the tea. and so i'm like okay. how do i work against this and it's only. going to get probably more intense i. would assume so. um. so that's like literally i'll say it. again that's why i got a dog that's like. fully why i got a dog because i was like. i need something that's i'm gonna get. bad news on the phone i'm like okay bye. and then the dog's just like. okay here so you know how like in any.

like disney like movie like pixar. whatever there's always a sidekick yes. tangled the chameleon like there's a. bunny and the abominable snowman yeah. there is always like this really funny. comical relief olaf in frozen yeah. spirit animal yeah. i was like i need to i want a sidekick. like i want that idiot that's just like. running and hitting a wall while i'm. trying to like do business like i can we. need that like that's so cool yeah so. like movies are so powerful in the way.

that they like kind of they give us. characters to like replicate and so i've. almost like whenever i watch a movie i'm. just like i like that character like. that character is really cool like one. of the shows that i actually like loved. growing up with is entourage yeah okay. i've got a funny story to tell you about. android so i was a monk when entourage. was famous so i never watched it so i. didn't know what it was so my wife just. made me watch entourage so we literally. just finished it. it's one of the best shows ever it's. amazing yeah. i would watch it i i would watch it. again i loved it i literally just.

watched it this year exactly so it's. like you have like the characters around. you that are just like they're. they're so needed and you don't know why. but they're so needed like they're so. important to the story and that's how i. look at all of my friends i'm like you. guys are so like. creating your your your show like he's. like and in a healthy way of course. because but it's taught me a lot like. as much as hollywood is very um toxic. and and dangerous in ways but it's also. a great way to get to understand how you.

want your life show to go like it's just. like i can find. parts of myself in different. like uh have you watched dave yet no oh. no no i have what what's the first. season not the second yeah i need to get. it in my life like he's so funny i was. just like he's just like he's there. always making jokes always there always. holding it together always holding. strong like you need that per and. sometimes it's you that's that person. but i always that really helps me just. like understand the the thing i'm doing. so it sounds like everyone needs to.

revisit their childhood or remember and. and write a memoir even if it's not a. memoir that gets published and goes out. to the world it almost feels like. reflecting is really important what what. helped you were you speaking to friends. from back then or were you speaking to. your. you know who who are you connecting with. to to reignite some of those memories. oh everyone in the memories you know i. called. my mom my brother um my cousins who i. grew up with friends from the time i. corroborated the stories because memory.

is a weird thing you know i remember it. a certain way somebody else remembers it. a certain way. and there was this one story i remember. i was kicked out of moma for touching a. painting when i was 15 16 or something. and. i remember. that day being wonderful because we went. to the statue of liberty after and like. you know. we. we got hot dogs and we were walking. around new york city and i remember it. being like oh i touched you know a.

painting that's so cool that i touched i. think it was a starry night. and. my cousins who were with me remember the. day completely differently they were. tortured embarrassed my cousin was an. art student she was like you got me. kicked out of moma and like. i was like wow i didn't remember that at. all. that's brilliant was that your was that. your rebellious side or was that a. mistake. or was it curious just curious.

i just i feel like. rules sometimes. and trust me i mean i'm in a public. profession i have to follow them. but um you know sometimes we conform to. rules that. just sort of stop our ability to grow. and. unless it's like hurting someone or. something which by touching starry night. i probably was hurting the painting. but at that time i didn't know. the value of the paint the value of the.

painting just went up it just went up. but you know like otherwise i think like. you've got to sometimes you have to push. the envelope. there's been too many generations that. have been defined by what people think. you know we can achieve or. you know limitations that have been. imposed because of. people not being able to. think or dream big enough um and i think. it's every generation's responsibility. to show the endless possibilities to the.

next. yeah you've definitely done that i mean. you're constantly breaking rules in in. your career and your journey starting. from touching that pain to get moma all. the way through today. but. was that was that an energy and a. mindset that you believe you had at that. young age or is that something you think. you gradually developed where did that. confidence come from because when i hear. you say today it comes with confidence. obviously it comes with having done it. and i think there are a lot of people. out there who may feel that way but they.

then also feel. insecure that are they the right person. to do that do they have permission to do. that there's there's something that then. still holds them back what was it for. you that allowed you to go all the way. well two things uh my parents for sure i. grew up in an environment where i was. not shamed for my ideas. um at 12 years old i told my parents i. wanted to live in america with my aunt. and you know my parents were like bye. peace you know it was fine we had a. logical pro and con conversation i was.

raised sort of to have opinions even if. the room was hostile. um so i think that really gave me a. sense of self and i think it's really. important in parenting for us to treat. our children like they're developing. their own minds because that's so. important. for. them to have a sense of self and feel. like you know they're not robots but. they're actually thinking and they have. a say in their decisions it really. lends for.

adults being able to have a sense of. confidence and second. to really understand and accept that. confidence is not something you always. need you don't you know so put it in a. backpack it's okay give it a break let. it be in your purse let it be in your. wallet let it chill for a second feel. insecure feel like scared just feel. afraid feel vulnerable. um but when you need the confidence and. you walk into that room you'll have it. because you didn't keep using it you. didn't need to constantly have a you.

know cover of or um sort of like a. uniform of confidence you don't have to. always show confidence you don't have to. exude confidence you never you don't. you just have to pull it out when you. need it and then when it's in the. reserve it's so much more powerful. because you're allowing yourself to be. all the things i feel insecure i'm. terrified that this book is coming out. it's the first time i've ever written. and i've never been so personal. in my whole life i've been a public. person for 20 years. never scratched beneath the surface i've.

gotten away with sharing whatever i. wanted to share about my life and not. more you know my story is. people think they know it but they. really don't. and i've managed that for 20 years but i. think. i. now on the other side of 35 was. feeling a sense of confidence and a. sense of self in my capabilities. in what i bring to the table it only. took 20 years for me to get there but i. got there. um and i think all those insecurities.

that i address in my book don't scare me. that much anymore as they did at that. time as you know they worried me and i. was like i don't want to talk about it. nobody needs to. know about my life and you know but now. i'm at a place where i'm just like well. it's still on my terms and. um you know i'm hoping that. people maybe get to know me a little bit. more than a fashion meme or a headline. or something like that. yeah i i think that's what i love about. it from the few pages that i've i've.

flicked through i definitely see you. allowing yourself and that's that's the. power of a book though and so i relate. to that insecurity my first book came. out last september i know we know your. first book i was i have it. i was so oh that's awesome i'm so glad. you have it i was i was so nervous so i. can i know what you mean by that and. especially for you at this stage in your. career of yours is a memoir mine had. part stories it wasn't a memoir so i can. only imagine but. i see you doing and books are so.

powerful for that and that's why i. really hope everyone who's listening and. watching right now if you're enjoying. this conversation. go and pick up the book because i do. think that media the news the the short. meme the clip it portrays such a. limited view of of someone like yourself. and it's a superficial view really yeah. and you. and it's okay it's a choice also i yes i. want to for people to consume only a.

part of me you know i want to be able to. preserve. my humanity my family my life my. opinions i may have chosen a public. profession but i'm not an elected. official i don't owe an explanation to. anyone for the choices that i make you. know i'm here to create work i'm doing a. job just like everybody else mine. happens to be in entertainment and it. happens to have a lot of cameras on my. face it's fine you know i made a i made. that deal with the devil so i've kind of. made peace with the fact that.

i i prefer it being from a distance um. but at the same time i think now. i've. been a public person for more than half. my life it's my normal and. only now have i reached a point where. i'm. allowing the walls to sort of fall down. and. letting whoever wants to know me get to. know me as the person that i am before. that i was very protective of.

who i was because maybe i was insecure. about who i was or i was i still didn't. have a sense of self i don't know. but i think in the journey of life i've. reached a place where you know i'm i'm. good with who i am yeah so. what's that's wonderful to hear by the. way and and i can feel it off your. energy what's the part of yourself in. this book. that you share that you think most. people are going to be surprised by. where you think that people may just be. like what like and i'm sure there's many. but but what's something that stands out. um.

it's there there are a few um. which i think. people may be surprised by that i was. vulnerable enough to discuss um. and. i think my my failures. my. struggles rejections. um. sadnesses. that um i've never really people have. never seen. i always wear a brave front most women. in. like.

you know tough jobs have to always have. like a little bit more of a stronger. front um to be taken seriously i built. that very early. um at 18 to be thrown into. the limelight. of this job i mean. you know it you've been in it for a long. time you know it's it's a crazy. profession the expectations the pressure. um. you know to deliver under that scrutiny. um to be artistic to yet have a point of. view to be unique not you know have your.

own trajectory because that's the only. way it'll work um you know nobody wants. me twos in the entertainment business. you want new kind of you know you have. to always have a sense of evolution so. it was really really. scary in in the beginning and um. i think everything just changes with. time and this was one of the good. changes that came out of it. for me yeah no absolutely and i'm hoping. that. i wonder do you think that's changing. now if someone's coming into the. entertainment industry today at 18 or do.

you think it hasn't changed where's your. perception on that when you're guiding. young artists or seeing people that you. follow on social media or you know. whatever it may be. are you feeling it's changing has it. improved or or no the pressure you mean. uh not the pressure more the. like you were saying like you when you. came to the industry you had to put on a. brave front you had to wear that face it. was the only way to survive do you feel. it's the same now for young talent as. well. i i think.

well i was talking about definitely as a. female in yeah. business oh as a female okay yes um i. think so i think um. you know um. it's still hard when you're starting out. for women to be taken seriously for your. ideas to be given the kind of credence. that. um. a man's would as quickly probably you. know um especially in professions where. you you know. normally you don't see women because.

you know women have never been pushed in. that direction or women have never. wanted to go in that direction because. it was never normalized for them that. their ambitions could go in that. direction business politics um you know. to be heads of companies um engineering. like you know coding um policy making. like stuff like that lawyers women. have just about in the last few. generations been coming to the fore and. you know are standing neck to neck with. guys but it's still an anomaly it's. still not as normal in terms of numbers.

it's still not equal so until that. happens i think it will be hard for. um. you know young girls to be sick and. taken seriously when they come into. professions that are predominantly male. um but it's okay. um you know women before us have fought. the fight and. women after us will fight the fight. it'll just hopefully not be the same. fight hopefully our generation will. not let. our kids inherit our problems you know.

um. as women um. we are definitely working in that. direction but i think as the world needs. to sit up and take notice that. this demand is loud because it's a. requirement this demand is loud because. that's what's right and that is the. reflection of the world women are 50 of. it and we should be reflected in. um. you know every area and basically. feminism is that right like. don't decide for me.

what i should be doing when i should be. doing it and how i should be doing it. just like men have had that freedom give. me that as well yeah so. i guess it's that. sorry. completely no no no you're not deviating. at all it's a strong message and i stand. by it so it's uh it's a great message. and. and it's really interesting. where male privilege is a really. interesting thing to reflect on i. remember when i first started reflecting. on it was a prob even really a few years.

back and i feel very much i was raised. by my mom and i have a younger sister so. i'm very close to the women in my life. but. it started to strike me in a crazy way. that i grew up. having had certain dreams of becoming. something that my sister couldn't have. had. and and that wasn't because of the way. we were parented it was because of what. you saw and and when that really hit me. and i stood and looked at that and i. often encourage a lot of my friends in. that direction too i'm like if you. really think about if they have a son. and a daughter i'm like if you really.

think about some of the options that. don't seem available to your daughter. that she may never consider. a career and i really think that that. consideration. is where the equality is like the. opportunity of even having that idea of. i could do that opportunity of. of having choice i think you know a lot. of women we are i'm i'm extremely. privileged that i was raised by a. feminist i'm married to a feminist um. i'm extremely privileged that my parents.

which is why i brought up parenting um. earlier. a big reason i have a sense of. confidence and i am on this side this. side of the fight because. um it's not as hard as it is on so many. women around the world i still had to. fight of course i had to break down the. doors and i had to you know prove a. point to be taken seriously i was kicked. out of movies and replaced and you know. all the things. but. i still had it so much easier there are. women around the world that don't have a.

say in their life that are married off. when you know other people decide that. people choose who they are married to. whether they can work or not when they. should have children what kind of. children they should have and that. doesn't mean giving up culture that. doesn't mean giving up tradition. you know it just means creating. opportunity my father told me when i was. very very young my mom since i was nine. years old you will have financial. independence before anything you do it. doesn't matter whose daughter you are it. doesn't matter um you know who you're.

married married to you'll stand on your. own feet and there's such a power to. that um to having you know to be raised. by parents who put that in my head so i. was ambitious from. 12 years old i decided every year what i. wanted to be. and it changed every year. i i love hearing that and i it reminded. me of something you've said before when. you were speaking about your father. there. about how. uh nick for you shares this same.

admiration of your power. and and your ambition. and and feels you know supportive and. excited and enthusiastic about. the way you carry yourself. tell us a bit about how. i feel like that's such an important. thing for both them anyone in a. relationship to feel like their partner. is inspired by their values their. beliefs and their dreams. what has it felt like in the past where. you feel like you haven't had that and. if someone who's listening or watching.

is feeling like maybe i don't have that. how does how do you think someone can. navigate that or to ultimately attract. the partner that that does have that. what's that journey like because i think. a lot of people. feel like they're with someone who may. not understand or get their dreams. especially when they're starting out. then it's the wrong person for you and. if you have the. um. especially if you're starting out and. you know you're testing the waters and. i think it's so crucial.

if you have a choice in your life to end. up. with someone who. is not like enthused by your dreams is. at least interested in them. is at least excited about them or. you know is at least um. encouraging. like that's that's exciting. um because you know everyone's busy and. everyone has a thing in their lives but. to take to make the effort. to um.

to make the effort to make you feel like. your dreams are as important as the. other one is such a gift and. um i have been very blessed to have that. you know i find wherever you are in your. relationship obviously you and nick lead. extremely busy lives. you know my wife and i lead busy lives. and i feel even if someone's not in the. entertainment industry or the media. industry. everyone feels like they live busy lives. what does support look like. when two people are busy driven and.

ambitious because you obviously have it. you're speaking about it right now and. it's beautiful what does that actually. look like in a real practical sense. obviously the last six months or the. last 12 months have been different. but in reality what does that look like. because i feel that maybe sometimes we. have false expectations sometimes you. want. you know it's not natural that you can. be at every show nick does it's not. natural for him to be at every set. you're doing same with me and my wife. like my wife can't be at every event i'm. speaking at i can't be at every uh.

interview or something she's doing. what does support look like what does. love look like in a very real practical. sense. i think when it comes to support. specifically i think. giving the other person the space. um. to do what they're doing is very. important without. you know them feeling like oh my like. for example i'm here in london for a. year right now and nick is filming in la. um. and i can't travel but before the hall.

he made sure he was here for two months. to settle me in you know. to make sure that the house was all set. up and everything was sorted and we were. together for the holidays that's because. he was free um at the end of the month. and that support um you know it doesn't. have to be. large it doesn't have to be. uh um. you know a big expression of. i don't know love and or big gifts it's. not it's it's about giving space it's.

about giving freedom it's about. appreciation and i find this one thing. really helpful um. i always think about when you know he's. busy or he's having a crazy day which i. he does for me as well which is amazing. and everyone can follow this and it's. super easy. um is to think about how can i make that. person's day easier. just like and that's such a lovely. loving thing just sometimes i'm you know. back to back especially when i was doing.

promo i was doing like 20 interviews and. suddenly there'd be like a really nice. cocktail that would come in in the. evening or suddenly there would be a. really nice like cup of coffee or you. know something to eat for me that would. come in and it's just like so. sweet to think about that or if i'm. sitting outside you know you'll bring a. blanket and put it it's just being. thoughtful and aware. about. your person and you know that's the. greatest form of love is. showing it without really. asking for it.

yeah that's such a great piece of advice. i love that to be you you said to be. thoughtfully aware. and i think that's that's so true and. and the beautiful thing about everything. you just said is that it's it's free. it's cheap it's small it's simple it's. in it's it's exciting it's the best gift. yeah and it's the best gift yeah when. you feel like someone's. in tune with you and and your emotions. and how you feel. how you might be tired or how you might. be sleepy or how you might be cold like. those small things when you feel.

someone's aware and and i love that. piece of advice i think it's something. that everyone's definitely learned more. about in the pandemic. where we're exposed to each other. tell me a bit about the the title. unfinished because. i obviously it leads to your determined. ambitious voice. but what other parts of your growth. uh maybe internally personally do you. feel you're unfinished on or working on. i mean so much i've just about.

you know i'm in my 30s and this decade. has been amazing because. um. i've just you know found my strengths i. think as a woman. and um what i'm looking forward to going. forward is i'm very nascent in my career. in america right now it's just been five. years since i've. started working here i just about have. done my first. you know leading feature film i've just. about done my first dramatic part here.

um i want to be able to build you know. the kind of career that i had the good. fortune of building in another amazing. industry um in india i've done such a. variety of roles there worked with the. best filmmakers best actors i want to be. able to have that experience here so i'm. like my artistic side. now that i've started on this journey in. this part of the world is. peaked to be able to do that as well as. a producer i want to be able to create.

um. a lot more. south asian content in. hollywood i just. i didn't see enough parts for myself i. didn't see enough of it on tv and. considering um how large the south asian. population is in around the world and. how english speaking we are. you know english language entertainment. should be reflecting that so i want to. be able to tell stories. in india as well and as here. i want to build as an entrepreneur it's.

something i didn't do. you know. up until now because i was building my. acting career so much so you know. founding my own brand. um investing in tech i find that really. fascinating. um. my philanthropy. i want to be able to set up my. foundation really well. um my work with unicef. um i've just about moved into. our new house um after almost 10 to 15.

years of living in rentals or hotel. rooms you know because i always just. kept moving i was so nomadic um i'm. looking forward to you know watching. the trees grow in my garden. [Music]. i love that watch it watching trees. grows great i love that. that's brilliant i. hearing you. hearing you say that. uh i love hearing you talk about. the. south asian storytelling like obviously. that that relates very strongly to me.

and my roots growing up in london as. well where i think we have an incredibly. strong south asian community where you. are right now where i was born and. raised and. i definitely felt this. yeah lack of lack of representation lack. of the ability to lack of opportunity. lack of opportunity to dream in a. certain way and you know my my career. has been totally random but. it's and and you know i'm doing. something today that i would never have. imagined even knowing it existed see. even that you and i two south asians.

sitting. in these boxes. and talking about the fact that the. careers that we are thriving in that we. have worked so hard to make was never in. our minds. was never a possibility. but i would have never dreamed about it. because it wasn't in my realm of. dreaming but that's not how it should be. considering the. we're one-fifth of the world's popular. we're huge we're everywhere okay and i. think and it shouldn't be so hard for me.

to you know come into. an industry and say i want an. opportunity and for people to be like oh. well we're gonna have to create that now. won't we. we've existed for a really long time. you know. it's the irony of it is so amusing but. sad at the same time. yeah no that resonates very strongly. with me because i didn't even know any. careers existed. and and when i say this i i don't say it. lightly i genuinely didn't believe.

careers existed out. outside of medicine. engineering and business like i didn't. really know i didn't know that you could. have a. successful career in anything else. at 17 when i was. it was a fluke why i got got into the. miss india pageant and that kind of kick. started everything for me. but. i wanted to be an engineer because those.

were the options doctor engineer lawyer. and you know if you come from an. academic family of or failure um if you. come from an academic family or you know. our parents. our immigrants and our parents like my. parents even in india were you know. building their businesses for the first. time it wasn't inherited from them so. they also were surviving and i think. it's that survival instinct that sort of. pushed them to put the aspirations that. they knew best. you know on their kids like this is the.

best job you'll always make money you. will be stable. yes you know but. also the internet sort of changed our um. i think our generation. the the fact that the internet made the. world such a small place which is. another big reason why we should see so. much more representation is because we. are catering to the whole world now what. was different about your ability to. break out and and i'm not saying and i. you know you're not an egotistic person. i'm not asking you to be autistic i'm. asking you to share lessons.

what was different in that you were able. to break out and do something that now. you're more aligned with who you want to. be as the future moves on versus the. people that don't make that step what is. the difference i think it was abandoning. any connection to practicality and. really living in faith you know it. really tested my faith it because the. reason i was able to do it is because. and this is with julie's help. was because i embraced the fact that it. was a spiritual journey fundamentally so.

yes i left being a lawyer and i became. this ultra endurance athlete and author. and podcaster but it wasn't because when. i was a lawyer i got out my whiteboard. and created a wish list or you know. basically tried to you know create this. is my dream scenario for my life i just. started engaging in what i felt was more. aligned with my. unique blueprint. and with that i would start pulling on. the threads that would appear every day. and i was tested it was very difficult.

we went through incredible financial. dismantling like i was tested in every. regard you can imagine. people saying i was crazy all of it. right. but by having faith and trusting. in that sense of what was right for. myself and and learning to. listen to and rely on that instinctual. voice. i think taught me a lot about who i am. and also about resolve and ultimately i.

think that's why i was able to see it. through so if you look on the internet. it kind of looks like it all happened. like this like overnight i just made. this decision and became this other. thing this is this was like i mean i've. been doing this for you know 15 years at. this point and i got sober at 31 it. really began. when i went to rehab at age 31 and. started to. re-configure my life based on spiritual. principles and here i am. 22 23 years later still learning still. growing still making mistakes so it's.

very much not an overnight thing and. it's all a spiritual journey and what is. your faith in at that time because it's. almost like. most people when they're in that. transition it's like you don't really. have faith in yourself or you may not. have faith in your skills like is your. faith in the belief that doing the right. thing is the right thing either way or. is your faith in the fact that you have. your wife who's supportive like what is. that faith in because i feel like that's. the hardest thing for people and i can. only speak for myself that i knew that. my faith was in the guidance of my. teachers my faith was in the books that.

i'd read and the philosophy i believed. in and my faith was in. there's a beautiful beautiful verse in a. text called the manusmithi which says. that if you protect your purpose your. purpose protects you right and that was. what my faith was in was that statement. and i was like i'm gonna test that. statement to its limits but that. statement requires that you understand. what your purpose is correct yes and i. very much did not know what that's what. i'm saying what was your faith in so. well first of all i will say that i was. on a i was on a journey to discover what.

that purpose was. and i had a fundamental belief that that. i did have a per that there is or was a. purpose for me to discover. and i used. endurance training as a vehicle for that. process of self-discovery because. there's something about. being out on a trail for hours and hours. and hours around an eight-hour bike ride. you're stripped of all artifice and the. kind of low-grade suffering that you. experience. forces you to confront yourself in a.

very honest way right and you meet. yourself in a place that you're not used. to. and there's a lack of of artificiality. and artifice in that place where you can. be really honest like you're you're. you're wrestling with your soul at the. most profound level i think and and. that's what attracted me to this world. and that's what helped me answer all of. these questions getting comfortable in. that crucible but if i had to say what. is the philosophy philosophical belief. that kind of underpins that i would say. that we are here to grow and we are here.

to. on a journey of greater. self-actualization and the closer we can. approximate. that place of self-actualization the. better position we are in to express. our unique blueprint and purpose in. service to other human beings. right and for me it's been a process of. trying to uncover what that is for me. and then ultimately bring greater. expression to that. for the betterment of other people what. does it feel like right now that is for. you compared to when you first started.

on this path where's the. evolution of that yeah well it's. interesting because for a long time it. was like oh you're the vegan ultra. endurance athlete guy and it's like yeah. i am and i did those things um but. that's just one expression of who i am. and the podcast you know much like your. show has been about trying to continue. that growth and to understand that that. i was able to do those things in the. endurance world. because i understood that we are all. sitting on top of gigantic reservoirs of.

human potential that remain untapped and. i was able to tap into that aspect of. myself in an athletic context and. express that but there are all these. other areas of untapped potential in my. life and in my friends people that i. meet everybody's life right and i wanted. to. continue that growth curve and that. learning process of of tapping into. those other areas spiritually mentally. emotionally intellectually socially. every aspect of what it means to be.

as self-actualized as we possibly can. and what do we do that you've mentioned. that a few times now like you know it's. interesting that when you achieve. something your identity becomes crafted. around it so it's almost like you're. that healthy vegan dude and you know. like you do like and then and i can see. that there's a part of you that. almost there's a part of you that's like. but that's not all of me and and i'm. more than that yeah i don't want to be. defined by. sucker how do you process that because i. think a lot of people struggle with that. whether it's their past failures or.

their past successes that start to. define everything about who they attract. in their life who they spend time with. what opportunities they come their way i. mean i'll give an example of something. that's coming to my mind right now is. when uh when we had kobe bryant on the. show. and kobe started to talk about how like. and this this was huge for me he was. saying basically no one believed that he. could make tv or movies. or media because he was a basketball. player they're like what do you know. about this space and so when he was. trying to sell these shows no one wanted.

to buy them. and that's why he had to build his own. studio and that's where he was building. the studio for dear basketball and he. was writing these novels and these books. that were then being turned into movies. and tv shows and podcasts so he even. someone like him was totally being. pigeonholed and defined how do you. process that for yourself and how do you. help other people process anyone who. feels limited by their past failures but. also limited by their past successes. well a couple things yeah first of all. um that identity or whatever it is.

that's looming out there is just a story. it's only as powerful. as as you allow it to be right. you always have. control over that narrative or how. strongly you want to be reminded of a. certain identity you can always recraft. that you only have control over your own. behaviors and your own thoughts and your. own interactions with other human beings. you can't control how other people. perceive you that's none of your. business so if you're unhappy with the. story that's being told about you all.

you can do is act in contravention of. that you can't control how other people. perceive that but you can control the. story you tell yourself about who you. are so it's about becoming you know you. you hear the adage of like be the be the. movie star in your own movie of the. movie of your life right and understand. that at any given moment. you that these stories are just they're. drawn out of thin air they're they're. they're they're not real this is a. projection. that comes from a collective imagination. so change the story if you don't like it.

and if you don't like this story that. other people are telling about you you. can mute that and just do your own thing. so when i didn't you know when i didn't. want to be pigeonholed as the vegan you. know athlete i just started a podcast. and started talking about other stuff. you know and then seven years later. that's still a thing but you know i'm. known for other things now yeah people. will fall into line you know with with. that you know based upon your behavior. and your actions yeah with your identity. the way it is right now what are you. most excited to.

not be known for but. be acknowledged for what you're doing. like for yourself not from other people. not for the external validation but what. are you most excited about doing for. yourself just continuing to learn you. know i just i want to be a lifelong. learner and i think that that growth. curve you know always exists and there's. always people out there that you can uh. that you can take valid information and. tools from to improve your life. so i don't spend a lot of time thinking. about how i want to be perceived no of.

course um but i think that uh and and. people ask me like oh what's the what's. the vision where do you see yourself in. five it's like i don't think about that. like i'm so fulfilled in doing what i'm. doing right now and the fact that i get. to. be on this personal growth trajectory by. having amazing conversations with. incredible human beings and then you get. to share that with other people and it. impacts them i mean i don't know about. you but i can't think of anything more. um. you know more gratifying any any kind of. career trajectory that would be. more gratifying than that what's the.

most interesting thing you learned. recently whether it was a skill or a. technique or a fact or a stat or some. research that blew your mind or some. experience that just really changed the. way you were thinking about something. i'd probably go back to kamal ravikant. like him and his simple practices of. learning how to love himself like he. went he walked me through these. experiences where he really hit rock. bottom emotionally in a very in in a. couple different ways throughout his. life and how these very basic simple. easy to apply practices have transformed.

how he. sees the world and experiences the world. i think is really profound because of. its sheer simplicity and power do you. think based on that what you just said. now. humans only change through pain i get. that a lot i mean. pain is pain is is is the best motivator. for change obviously and i think the. biggest changes that i've made in my. life have really been forged through. pain. i'm stubborn like i don't i'm not going. to change until you know my whole world. is falling on top of me and then oh yeah.

okay i guess i need to. modify that. but it is amazing how human beings are. wired that way because. the possibility of change exists in. every moment right and yet we seem. incapable or or challenged in our. ability to leverage that unless. we're being pressured by some external. force to do so yeah if someone's. listening or watching right now but is. feeling like they're a. safety. secure. stability motivated individual.

and they're like oh that's just too much. risk for me it's like. even the spiritual faith everything you. guys are talking about like that's just. you know to live in that uncertainty to. live with that much faith to to push to. that degree what what are your advice. for them like what would you say to that. kind of well i would say that security. is an illusion i think people that are. focused on security have control issues. they think that they can control the. world outside of themselves and their. own behavior and i think that is a. a vast illusion that is an epidemic in.

our culture i think in every moment we. have this sense of i'm good things are. static like i can just stay in this. place and the truth is. with every breath with every thought. that we entertain with every word that. comes out of our mouth we're either. growing as an individual or we are. regressing that's the truth right and. there is no security everything is a. risk. we're here for a very short period of. time. so my call to action to everybody is. don't wait until you find yourself in.

some existential crisis because you've. been living your life based upon some. you know social rule book that doesn't. fit your own blueprint instead. embrace. what is uniquely you and have the. courage and the fortitude and the faith. to try to bring expression to that it. may be scary and it might contravene. what your parents want for you and it. might seem risky but ultimately. i think the riskiest thing to do is to. play it safe and live your life in. accordance with you know somebody else's.

expectations of what you should do and. be. how did you know that you'd found. something about yourself that was. uniquely you like you've said that a few. times now uniquely you how how do you. know when something is uniquely you. because i feel like so many of us are. either so influenced by everything. that's happening or we just. i feel like we've lost our ability to. talk to ourselves and know that that's. our voice yeah right like it's like. most people when you hear a voice they. hear a voice in their head they don't.

know if that's them or something else. and they can't tell the difference so. what are those indicators or signals. where you're like yeah that i'm getting. closer. even if i'm not it's a really good. question. um and i don't have like a simple pithy. answer sure. i think it's i think it's hard you know. i think you're correct in that. we're so distracted. you know our phones are always in our. hands there's always a reason to not be. present with ourselves and the more. detached we become the more difficult it.

is to. know what that internal voice is so i. think the process of of. of trying to understand what is uniquely. you know what is unique about jay. involves that looking inward process. right it's about meditation and. mindfulness and getting quiet and trying. to you know spend time uh contemplating. like what was it that made you happy as. a kid like what did you like to do. when you were left to your own devices. that now you feel like.

you haven't done in a long time or would. be foolish as an adult to spend time. doing and maybe there's a lesson there. for you to see you know i don't know i. can't answer that for you yeah but i. know that those answers reside within. all of us. and in order to heed them or get clarity. you really have to you really have to. have the discipline. to um carve out that kind of quiet time. solitude with yourself what's the best. advice you've received on solitude on. the podcast is there anyone you remember. that.

kind of you just felt embodied solitude. the best or that kind of quiet or that. yeah i mean there's been a couple people. you know of course you have like. meditation masters like sharon salzberg. i think maybe the most profound though. in in in the most grounded. way was you've all know harare basically. talking about how like clarity is a. superpower. and now because we're so distracted. distraction is our natural disposition. to just be clear and quiet to have. presence of mind to have clarity about.

what you think about a particular thing. is a superpower where that used to just. be normal right yeah which kind of makes. it easier to distinguish yourself. because all you have to do is put the. phone away learn how to be quiet learn. how to connect with your. internal voice. and that makes you much more capable. than the person sitting next to you. what was the conversation that surprised. you the most was anyone that not blew. your mind but just surprised you with a. belief that maybe something you held.

true. when you spoke to them they they changed. your mind on it was there anyone like. that that changed your mind on something. that you thought was. very concrete in your life or i'm always. fascinated by our beliefs and how they. can shift like i've always considered. myself to be someone who it's like i. felt like when i was spiritually. immature i felt like i had my beliefs. and they were the answers and then. nothing else was true yeah what i. believed was true and anyone else's. answers were completely false right and. then as i started to grow more you start. to realize you know nothing. and you're like okay i don't know.

anything now because i'm not really sure. about any of these beliefs and then you. get to a point where it's like well i. have some values and beliefs they work. for me and now i'm willing to trade and. upgrade. based on what i'm exposed to because now. i learned that i need to have a map or a. guidebook or a rulebook that works. because you need that for life yeah but. then i hear someone say something and. i'm like. ah like. that has just opened up my mind in a. completely different way i think um. in addition to that what happens when.

you're confronted with a truth that. contravenes your. your world view. the first thing that it does is it. pushes that cognitive bias button and. you're like. that can't be right because this is the. way i see the world right so you feel. the resistance coming up so for you to. say oh wow i didn't think of it that way. and to embrace that difference of. opinion or perspective i think is the. healthiest thing to do so for me it's. less about oh here's an example and more. about.

trying to be in that place of of empathy. and compassion and openness and to. notice when i feel like my resistance. creeping up whether it's somebody who. has a different you know nutritional or. dietary perspective than i do or. somebody who uh. you know. was able to get sober and maintain their. sobriety you know by way of a protocol. that is at odds with like how i think it. should be done you know what i mean yeah. and to just be like the world's a big. place the human condition is is.

multi-varied like i don't have all the. answers and to be able to sit with. somebody who's coming from a different. perspective and try to find mutual. ground and meet them where they're at. with compassion and with empathy i think. is. really powerful. it's something that i'm always. endeavoring to do with whatever guess. that i have on my show. and i think it's what's sorely lacking. in our culture right now and i think if. there's anything that i'm trying to do. with my show and the example that i set. with how i conduct my conversations is.

to say. look if we want to move forward as a. healthy culture as a healthy society we. have to be able to meet each other. in our differences with compassion with. understanding that doesn't mean that we. do it with unhealthy boundaries but we. have to be able to have mature. conversations about our differences. because this polarization and the. separation that we're seeing and the. unhealthy siloing of opinions i think is. really.

polluting and denigrating our ability to. move forward as a as a healthy society. and is deeply concerning to me yeah i'm. so with you on that i think that's. that's a great answer because. yeah that that lack of judgment. and openness and just stopping yourself. from like you said letting your. your controls creep in. that's probably the hardest thing right. because you've been on a train of. thought or a school of thought since you. were a kid and it's built and built and. built and it's got you to somewhere. which is probably okay.

and then all of a sudden come someone. comes and just surprises you with the no. what's been the best way you've found. apart from having conversation on the. podcast have you found that people are. able to create their openness in their. own lives is it more travel is it. watching things that you wouldn't watch. like what have you seen that like how. can we encourage that more. for people to be okay with exposing. themselves to opposing ideas without. placing judgment on them. yeah it's tough i mean i think travel is. a big one right investing in experience.

um people who have who have you know. done that tend to have broader views and. perspectives and and more open-minded. are more open-minded about a variety of. issues than people just stay in one. place and have their news feed yeah and. even who they follow on their newsfeed. because. that again if it's diverse you you're. again. meeting diverse people there too right. yeah. thank you so much for watching that. video if you enjoyed it here's another. one i think you'll love go in there go.

into the suffering go into the pain of. your life and say why did this suck for. me so bad. why am i afraid of all this stuff the. only way you're going to fix yourself is. to go all the way back.