The SECRET To Building STRONGER & HEALTHIER Relationships For SUCCESS | Kelly Rowland & Jay Shetty

We sometimes hate to be the one that is. inflicting pain or inflicting the. misunderstanding and you don't you don't. mean to do it of course but I think that. life. just books experience relationships they. all teach you like understanding comes. with understanding yourself and. understanding others as well but I I do. think that you have to have this level. of understanding for self like oh I know. that I do that it's probably wrong but. when you see it you have to like.

be able to call it out. Hey everyone welcome back to On Purpose. the number one health and wellness. podcast in the world thanks to each and. every single one of you. I want to thank. you for having stayed with us throughout. 2020 for using us as your source of. insight inspiration and support during. this really really tough time and I want.

to share with you why I think today's. guest is going to help us go even deeper. into an understanding of ourselves. Today I'm speaking with someone who. needs no introduction but we'll be. talking today about motherhood and. feeling powerful and her new incredible. music. Kelly's a musician actor and TV. personality well known for also being a. coach on the X Factor. This year Kelly. released new hits like coffee crazy and. Hitman and I just saw the music video.

for that and it's epic and most exciting. of all Kelly is preparing to welcome her. second child very very soon. Kelly thank. you so much for doing this. I'm so. grateful to finally be talking with you. I'm so excited to be talking to you. I. literally feel like I know you and your. beautiful wife. I can't I can't I can't wait for us to. actually meet. We we started connecting. and interacting earlier this year. And, you know, for me, obviously for me. and my wife, we've been long, long,

long-term fans. And to see you just. share such positive energy and insight. and diving into difficult conversations, I was so drawn to that and attracted to. how you were using your platform for. that. And I'm so glad we get to share. this space together today. Me, too. I'm I'm so excited and I think. I've been waiting for our conversations. So, just happy that it's presented. itself today, for sure. Yeah, absolutely. And I I wanted to start.

because we are in the holiday season and. I do think it's always nice to celebrate. and be optimistic around the things that. are around us. And you recently starred. in executive produced a new movie called. Merry Little Christmas. And and I wanted. to ask you like what excites you about. the holiday season after so many years? Or what is it What are you doing for the. kids to to make it feel special and. different? You know what? I just remember being a. kid and um we didn't have much, you. know, growing up and I remember my mom.

and I living with my great aunts and you. know, wanting something as simple as um. they were all in rocking chairs. So, I literally wanted I asked for a red. rocking chair like my Aunt Lillian. I. literally wrote that to Santa and said. that that's what I wanted. Um so, when. it came to Christmas, I just remember. never really asking for a whole lot. I I. I knew that we couldn't really do it.

And so, when I had my son, I went crazy. I went a little crazy with the presents. Um but I like I I realized I've had to. scale it back a bit just so he can. understand how important um giving is. just as much, you know, as like we love. receiving things, but how important uh. giving is. So, that was always a really. big thing in my household. And then I. started growing up watching all these. holiday movies and how like I just.

wanted a piece of like all these movies. like in my life. And so, to be able to. have those experiences and then be able. to, you know, executive produce and star. in a Christmas movie is really kind of. mind-blowing and just like sends me into. a whole like, "Oh my gosh, this is. awesome." So, I don't take any. opportunity for granted for sure. I love. that. I love that. And yeah, I look. forward to watching it. I'm really. looking forward to it. Me and my wife. are going to watch it together. We've. been I'm so glad that it's December now.

where I feel like I'm finally allowed to. start watching festive movies, put up. put the music on. And so, I'm really. looking forward to it. But, you know, obviously everyone's celebration's. different this year. And something that. you celebrated this year is that you did. your baby shower virtually. Mhm. I believe, which is obviously. different to what you've done before. Tell us how different that was and and. what that experience was like now living. it in this year and how you were able to. do it in such a meaningful and beautiful.

way. You know what? I mean, I'm for so. many of us out out here, I think that. when we are. having these moments where we keep. thinking about I know for me I keep. thinking about the fact that we're just. in our homes and we have everything we. need, you know, but I can't help but to. think about other people who don't have. everything that they need. So, what can. I do? I'm not the only person having a. baby, you know what I mean? I'm the only. person preparing for it. So, if I know. that's the truth, like what else can I.

do? And I've been doing work with Baby. to Baby and and been an an angel of Baby. to Baby Angel for a couple years now. And just seeing first hand what they do. and what we do together as a community. um of women and together as a community. as well of when we have of course the. fundraisers and everything. It's. necessary, you know what I mean? The the. work is necessary. Essentials essential. basic needs for kids and their families. is necessary. Um no child asked to come.

into this world. And when we get uh. gifted the responsibility of a child, you know, and life happens or. circumstances happen, um I think that. it's our job to uh care for each other. as best as we can. And that's what we do. over at Baby to Baby and I just really. wanted to do that cuz I I literally had. everything from Titan's birth. So, I'm just like, I got a crib. Okay, what else can I get? And I'm just like, I'll just get it, you know what I mean? And and I just wanted to do that for.

someone else. I love that. I I love that. we haven't even been talking for like 5. minutes and all you've been talking. about is giving and. and supporting and serving and I I love. that because it's just your heart and. and it just emanates from you and we. were we were speaking briefly when. before we started recording and even. when you came on and you said my name. and you said it in a way that we knew. each other and I felt that and I was. like, you know, I I love that for you it. feels like gratitude and service and.

giving just feel like such central. pillars. Have has that always been the. case or was this something you had to. work on and develop or where did that. come from? Family, faith, being in a position where um I've not. had everything, you know what I mean? And knowing what that felt like. Um wanting help in some and in sometimes. not wanting to say what it is that I. needed, you know what I mean?

Um. and just watching my my mom worked. really hard, you know, and I had I had. two moms growing up, you know what I. mean? I had my mom, of course, who um. God rest her soul, and I watched her. work. work her butt off. And then I had uh. Bey's mom, Beyoncé's mom, uh Tina, and I. watched her work. So, I had these two. dynamics of of motherhood and women and. focus and everything, and I just feel.

really blessed by that because they both. taught me to give. And they taught me to be a cheerful. giver, and I think my faith, of course, above anything has made me a cheerful. cheerful giver. But I love it. You know. what I mean? It It makes me feel good, um, from the inside. I I I feel like I'm. I feel like we're all here. to serve a purpose and to be. responsible, and, um, that makes me feel whole. It's.

It's just a It makes me feel whole. Yeah, that's I I feel it. That's so. beautiful. It's, uh, it's amazing to. hear that even though you mentioned how. you know, you started out with nothing. and that even despite how your life has. changed, it seems like the thing that. gives you the greatest joy is still. giving and supporting and serving. others, which is so beautiful. How was. it How was it growing up with two. incredible role models? Because it. sounds like that was such a special. thing to see two women that were.

so powerful, professionally focused, but. also able to. inspire you in that way. What was that. experience like? To be honest, my. relationship with my mom, even as a kid, was really interesting, to say the. least. We all have those stories, um, but I always watched her give. I always. watched her give in church, in service, um, and I think that that like she's the.

one that solidified the faith giving for. me. And then, um, when it came to watching her sacrifice, I don't think I really appreciated her. sacrifice, Jay, till she passed. Mhm. So, like I had this moment, um, maybe. two or three years after. her passing, where I said, "Oh my gosh, that's why she did that." You know what. I mean? And I literally took this. moment, and I was quiet, and I said a. prayer, and I just told her, "Thank you. for the sacrifice. Now I get it. I know.

what that took. I know how hard it was.". And it was so much forgiveness there. Um, and I didn't realize how much I. needed it. Um, and it was necessary for life. Um, so, between that and then, uh, the. dynamic with my Mama T, as I call her. Uh, my Mama T was just always giving. And when it came to, um, whether it was tithing in church, or, um,

like even recently, there's, uh, a young. woman who's building a charity, and. she's doing it in a specific way that, you know, we really, um, respect and and. love. And she was like, "I I We need to. really help this this woman out because. she just don't know what she going to. do." And then da da da da da da da da da. da She explains everything. I'm like, "Okay, okay, okay, let's just get it. done.". You know what I mean? Like, to this day, like, I I I'm grown, and I'm still. getting these calls. Like, "No, no, no, this needs to happen. And And make sure. you do it today, baby, because she needs. to make sure that she's You know what I. mean? It's like It's that." And after.

all these years, it's still like that. And it's still important, and it's even. more important now because I have a. child, and having another child, and you. are the first example. I love what you said, Dad, that. even though you realized it was after. your mother passed away of her. sacrifice, that you still took that moment to. express a prayer and gratitude and. thanks to her even then. And I think.

that's such a beautiful, powerful. message for all of us. If anyone who's. listening or watching. uh has lost someone this year or in the. past, and obviously it's never easy, whether it was this year or any year, and I just want you to take a note from. what Kelly just said is that you can. still pray, uh send love, send gratitude to that. person, whether they're still physically. present or not. And I think that that is. that's such a beautiful way to live. because. uh I I've spoken about it a couple of.

times about how I lost uh my one of my. greatest spiritual mentors in my life, who was like a father to me. He passed. away this year after suffering from. stage four brain cancer. So, he didn't. pass from COVID. And it was. it was so hard because I couldn't go. back for his funeral. uh because of because of COVID. And so, I couldn't actually see him before he. passed away, or I couldn't obviously go. to his funeral, which I really wanted to. attend. And the only thing that's really helped.

me go through, of course, faith, but the. understanding that. trying to be what he wants me to become. and the qualities that he had in his. heart, that keeps him alive for me, and. it makes him feel very real and with me. And I think that you know, I I think. what you shared there is really, really. powerful and beautiful about even though. you noticed it afterwards, you were. still able to to connect in that way. So, thank you for sharing that. Of course, of course, of course. Yeah. Yeah, no, I really appreciate.

that. I think it's going to help I think. that's going to help a lot of people. uh this year especially because. everyone's lost something, and people. have lost someone, and so, you know, I. think that's going to be really. powerful. I I want to switch to talking. about your intention behind naming your. children because I think it's so. beautiful and powerful. And obviously. your son's called Titan Jewel, which is. like, what a powerhouse name. Uh and and I wanted to understand, like, how do you see naming differently or. like your intention behind how you.

select names? And I'm not going to ask. you to share any names or anything. It. just Yeah, it just. to understand that better. With Titan's. name, I kept thinking about wanting to. give him. strength that I felt like I didn't have. Or strength that I felt like I was like. still working on. And here's how. the universe works. So, my husband named. him Titan. And I was like, "What a great. name!" He's like, "Yeah, I think it'll.

be great." And then my husband's father. was named His middle name was Jewel. So, Titan Jewel. And I kept thinking about. oh, he's the jewel in you know, our. crown and all this other kind of stuff. I needed to hear his name at the time. when I had him. You know what I mean? Just to remind myself I was built for. this. I was ready for motherhood cuz I. was nervous at first, you know, as you. know, we all would be for parenthood, period. But I kept hearing his name and. his name was just constantly like not.

just feeding my life, but feeding. everything that I was doing in this. weird way. I don't think I've ever. spoken about this. But it just kept reminding me. You know. what I mean? It It was It was of course. about his name, which I feel like he is. so strong. Headstrong, physically strong, just. strong, period. But. he reminds his space about that. Everywhere that he goes, it's so. interesting. Um but I I felt like.

intention is really important behind our. children's names and and what does it. mean and you know, who or or if it's. somebody that you even admire, you know, I kept thinking about well, what am I. going to name this baby? You know what I. mean? And. wrote down so many different things. And. funny enough, me and Titan I was in. Vancouver filming and Titan was here. I. wrote down one of the names and Titan. calls me and tells me that he wants to. name the baby this name and it was one.

of the names that I wrote down. No way. That's amazing. So I was like, whoa. It was so cool. So he named the baby. I. was literally like, this is perfect. I love that. I love that. And and that's. that's so interesting though what you. said there because I didn't think about. it like that when I was asking the. question and you were saying you hadn't. said that before or shared that before. around how actually the way you name.

your kid gave you strength at a time. when you needed it. And and that's so powerful to think of. it that way that. we always you I'm not a parent yet and. you know, my wife and I look forward to. when we can be and when when we choose. to be but the idea of you always think. you're giving to your children but as as. a mother and as I've heard from many. parents, it's like so often the kids are. teaching you. I'm honestly constantly a. student. It's so interesting how like you are in. this space where you're like.

doesn't matter if you're the parent, they're constantly teaching you. everything. I just feel like they're. constantly teaching you everything and. he's made me a better person. He's made. me a better uh woman. He's made me a better businesswoman. I just feel like he's taught me a lot. about love and forgiveness. It's it's amazing and marriage has too. by the way. I mean, just patience. You. have no choice but I I didn't think I.

had any patience. Um no, I'm serious. I was like, this is. not the first time like I felt like a. like like a real big tension. I was. like, this is not going to go well. And. my only understanding of figuring things. out is just to like dismiss them. Do you know what I mean? Like to not. handle it or communicate it or talk it. out. So, communication has been the. longest freaking road of my life with.

everything. Give us an example of of something that. you think where where you've seen that. shift where. someone could go, "Oh, I I see that in. myself, too." Because I think there's a. lot of people nodding right now back at. home or listening or watching going, "I. feel that." Like, you know, so many. reminders. Tell us about a shift that. you experienced. Marriage. Marriage. First of all, the the Oh, gosh. There's.

It was just a a really big. misunderstanding. And between my husband and I, and I'll. never forget um. not saying. exactly. that I was wrong. You know what I mean? Cuz we I I think. that sometimes like. we sometimes hate to be the one that is. inflicting pain or inflicting the.

misunderstanding. And you don't you. don't mean to do it, of course. But I. think that life. just books, experience, relationships, they all teach you like, you know, you. try to my navigate your way through. people as as much as you can. And and I. think that understanding comes with. understanding yourself and understanding. others as well. But I I do think that. you have to have this level of. understanding for self. Like, "Ooh, I.

know that I do that. It's probably. wrong." But when you see it, you have to. like. be able to call it out. And so, when I. was able to call it out and. I I said what it was, it was like he. kind of looked at me like Did you just. Did you just. do that? You know what I mean? And I I'll I'll. say that I'm wrong, but I But this time. I was like it was one that I didn't like. about myself. Right. like that one thing you like. Ooh, I I wore that and that's really.

ugly. Like I don't like that and and. because you see it like and it's really. ugly you don't like it and it just can't. possibly exist in you won't, but yes it. can. Yeah, it was a matter of seeing that, calling it out, and just moving forward, and apologizing, and having humiliation, and and just saying. it's okay. It's just a It's a part of it. and. you know. moving on. That's so interesting. It's a It's like. wearing a bad outfit and never wanting.

anyone to see that picture ever again. and you're like trying to hide it. And and and like facing it, but but even. more deeper, but that's so interesting. what you said that. we we're scared to address things when. we really don't like that about. ourselves. And and often it comes out when. it's also we're scared because it almost. feels like it's a weakness, not a. strength. Like it feels like a weakness. to be like I'm wrong, I have this part. of me that I want to work on. When.

actually that is strength, right? Like. that is courage. We would We would. encourage children to be honest with us. Or we would encourage children to tell. us when they feel uncomfortable with. something. But but yeah, we get scared. of that because we see it as a weakness. and. I I think you know, I I think that. that's a really powerful lesson that. you're sharing with us all is that. be in in our relationships, and this is. a little practical activity for everyone. who's listening right now, this week. observe your relationship with your.

partner, your parent, your child, whoever it is you want and do what. practice what Kelly's just shared with. us. Look at something where you're. scared of admitting that you're wrong. And ask yourself, is it because it's. something you don't like about yourself? And then reframe that as a strength to. realize that it's not a weakness. It's. actually a strength to address that. because that's a really powerful. takeaway. But it's hard though, y'all. It's hard. And and the truth is is like.

you may not see it at first and. sometimes it takes a while or sometimes. it takes a couple of years. And you. know, when you do finally see it, just. call it out. And it hasn't it has no no. no space in an it has no space in a. negative way. in any part of your life cuz if it shows. up in one place, it's going to show up. everywhere else in some sort of way. And. I just. I didn't want it to do that. And I was like, gosh.

I I didn't want it to do that. You're. right. We have to be patient with. ourselves and hopefully. we've surrounded ourselves with people. that are patient with us, too. Yes. Because that's needed sometimes. I know. there's plenty of things that I've got. wrong in my relationship and Rothy's. been super patient with me about. And. and you know, you need that. You need. someone who's patient with you and. allows you to figure it out while you're. figuring it out. And I think sometimes. we make the mistake of trying to fix the. other person and change them. And it's.

almost like you just need to be patient. while someone heals themselves. Mhm. You. know, it's like you can't Yeah, you. can't always be the one to like engineer. it perfectly for them. They Sometimes. they just need to feel that you. have patience and you're there for them. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Tell me about one of the things. that you mentioned uh. with Titan choosing it, you know, the. name. It's like So, I remember I'm an. older brother to my younger sister. My. younger sister is about 4 and 1/2 years.

old. I remember holding her since the. moment she was born and like carrying. her around and she was like my you know, she was like my my favorite person in. the world. She still is, but but. definitely when when we were kids, I. have really good memories of being just. old enough to to really interact with. this and and I remember my parents, the. way they prepared me was my mom would. say to me she was like, "Pray for a. little friend that's going to come into. the world. Like pray every day." And so. every day for like since they knew she. was already pregnant, I was praying for,

you know, a little a little friend uh. which ended up having him be my sister. How have you prepared Titan for what's. to come or like you know, how how does. that work? Or how yeah, how does that. work? He's really preparing me. He's really preparing me because. first of I I I keep thinking about the. fact that. I I love him so much. and for it's been what, 6 years he's 6.

years old and for this long it's taken. me to get. pregnant because. I was like, "Do I have the capacity, you. know, for two?" I was like a little. nervous about that. Do I have the. patience for two? And this one day it was like last year, I saw the way me and my husband were. just doting over Titan and it was just. so much. I was like, "This is just too. much. I feel like it's. it's too much. I think it's time to. share some space here." You know what I. mean? So. you know, that's when we started like.

having the initial conversations about. having another one and um. Titan did a video this one day before. school and he goes, "I want a baby. brother. I want a baby sister." And I. said, uh. well. which one do you want? So, you know what I mean? He says, "I want a. baby sister. I want a baby brother." I. said, "Well, I'm glad that you're open to both. because we don't know what's going to. happen. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Yeah. Whatever. As soon as we found out that. we were pregnant, we waited a while till. I had like a little bump. Um. and we finally sat him down and told. him. And his reaction, which I do want to. share um on Instagram cuz it's really. sweet. Um he was so delighted to share. his space and excited because this is. what got me and it just broke me. He. goes, I won't be lonely anymore.

Aw. He felt like when he goes, like he's. he's still in the bed with us. He's. still sleeping with us. Because he likes the connection. And so. he puts his hand like right underneath. my armpit here or behind my back because. he just likes touch. You know what I. mean? And I realize like we are a very. affectionate family. Like we hug and we. snuggle and we kiss and we this and we. that like like that's just who we are.

And he said he all of his friends have. siblings um except for like maybe two. But he always watches them and then when. one of the kids leaves their siblings, he goes and like eases his way in there. So like one of his friends, Berkeley, Berkeley has a baby brother. And he's like, "Hi Linen." Hi like. escorts Linen all around the house. He. does the same thing with another friend, Selene and her baby sister Kaya. They're. all like he wants to take them all.

around and show them stuff and I was. like, it's time. I love that. That's awesome. That's. that's so cool. It's uh. It's it's nice to It's nice to hear that. because I I know what it was like for. me. So I'm excited for him. Uh and yeah, I'm excited for him and uh. it's it's it's going to be a fun. journey. I definitely My youngest sister. is like still my best friend and it's. it's such a it's it's such a special. bond when you do feel that excitement. around sharing your space with.

uh another being and and and seeing. someone grow up and and uh almost almost. feeling somewhat like a parent to them, too, uh in in that sense. And it's it's a fun. experience. So, we're we're going to. come to you for for for tips on. parenting and everything when we get. around to it. Okay. I I want to switch to talking a bit. about uh the amount of conversation. you've been leading and sharing in. mental health and and community because. I think that. it's it's something that's so integral.

to. people's daily lives and now people are. becoming a bit more open and communities. are starting to. destigmatize the conversation and. communities that have struggled with it. in the past. I know that from my own. experience, the South Asian community's. massively struggled with it and being. open and honest about it. And I've heard the same about the black. community, too. And so, you know, it's. interesting when when you started to. share messages, I was wondering what. tools.

have you gained from therapy over the. years that you feel helped you this. year? Were there specific practices or. insights or ideas that you really felt. were useful this year or or any. challenging year, even if it's not this. year, if there've been any other. challenging years in your life where you. found therapy to be most useful? Someone. told me before, like, don't wait to go. to therapy when there's something wrong. Just go. And I would go when there was something. wrong. And so, when by the time I got.

there, I was just this think of a. a a ball of yarn. You know what I mean? Just like just but it was a big ball of. yarn. So, you're having to like undo all. of this stuff. from so many years. And I think that. people think that if you go in one time, even five times, that if everything's. going to be okay. That's not the way it goes because I. feel like you have to unravel all of. this stuff to whatever is at the base,

you know, the the nucleus of whatever. that trauma or void or whatever that is. And it takes a while and. uh it's been a a couple of things in my. life where I just was wondering why I. was going through this same thing over. and over and over and over again. And so. I finally got a chance to talk to. um someone who actually became I I feel. like he's a soulmate almost um my friend.

Joe Bolduek um and he has this beautiful. Facebook space called speak speak to. understand or speaking to understand and. um he we would talk so openly to where. it's almost like what I was saying was. he would finish my sentence. And I was like, "Oh my god, I'm so. happy. I finally have somebody who is. like understanding what I'm saying and. and I don't feel. I don't feel I'm going to use the word.

crazy. I don't feel crazy. I don't feel. misunderstood. I I feel like I'm being. heard and for me that's what therapy is. I I feel like I'm being heard. I feel. like I'm communicating everything out. I. feel like I'm getting everything out. So. by the time I leave, I've literally had. a moment where I've left a therapy. session and physically felt like I I. could have skipped a step, you know what. I mean? Because I felt lighter and I. didn't realize in that space or time how.

much unforgiveness I was holding on to. and it was for a lot of people and then. I was realizing how self-critical I was. and how all of that was connected and it. was just crazy. You know what I mean. when you start to figure everything out. and so I'm figuring it all out and. noticing how things are connected and. how one has to cancel out the other if. you don't get past this one and this. will keep you stuck and I was like, oh.

Oh, you know what I mean? So it's so. much to learn. And then when I before I. had Titan, I was like, well, I want to. get all this stuff out before I have. children. Mhm. How was that possible? Because. every day is going to. Every day you're going to go through. something new and something else is. going to come up and it's just something. else to to get past, you know? And I. think that there's nothing wrong with. that because that's just what life is. and that's the beauty of it. Although it. is a challenge, but it's still the.

beauty of it because you should be able. at the end of the day to give yourself. some credit. And I and we are truly our. greatest competitors, our greatest critique. And I did that for a long time and. sometimes it still surfaces and I still. do that to myself and. it just becomes. too toxic and then you realize how. layered that is. Mhm. What What do you think is the greatest.

challenge you've overcome personally, internally or externally? What if you. had to be like, this is the challenge. that made me realize how strong I was. and how critical I didn't want to be of. myself and where I realized that. you know, this was all just layers and. conditioning, but actually underneath. all of that there was this powerful uh. strong, important being that cared and. that was loving. What What do you What. would you say that was? What do you. think that was?

The The definitely the self-critical. part. Mhm. The self-critical part and constantly. talking myself out of stuff. Oh, interesting. Yeah, talking myself subconsciously, too. Like I talk myself out of stuff. And. that what I realized was all like stuff. in the past. Um and when I was able to talk about it, it was like, "This is why.

you know?" And I I remember. what. I did What do you call the the the. tapping sessions? Yeah, tapping. And the more I was doing. this tapping, um but I thought it didn't work. But it came out one day and I literally. had a space where I smelled, saw, and felt the space that I was in. when the trauma was planted. Wow.

Yeah. So, and I was in a I was in a. session and I'll never forget I. remembered what that space was and it. was going in although I'm I'm sure a lot. of people would think this count this. count is is it sounds crazy, um but it's not. Um because your body. holds that kind of stuff and it. remembers it. There's this book that I. still have to read called the the body. keeps the score, I believe. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. And um the. the body kept that score for sure.

for 30 plus years. And um I had to get past that. Yeah. Which by the way makes you so conscious. in being a parent cuz you're like, "Oh. my god, I can't say that to him like. this because if I do, what if it You. know what I mean?" I Being a parent was. a good thing and a bad thing. for me because I'm just thinking too. much. You know what I mean? My husband. is like, "No, babe, it's just a no. Just. say no. It's okay. Just say no and then. move on." And I'm like, "Yeah, but I.

don't want to say no to this because. what if he thinks that da da da da da da. da da da da. he's like no essays just chill. So, it's. that. And that's hard. Like that's hard. because you're right that the body does. keep a score and we do hold on to these. impressions in our mind and our. subconscious and and as you mentioned. trauma as well and trauma also I think. people misunderstand that they feel. trauma means. something very physical or something.

that's very externally abusive which it. can be but sometimes trauma can come. from just how someone perceives. something. Mhm. Like it it may not actually we may not. feel it to be trauma but because it it. had a. deeper resonance with that person and. they interpreted it to be traumatic or. tragic they could actually hold on to it. for a lot longer. So, you are right that. being conscious with your children etc.

is powerful but you're also right that. there's the other side where. uh this book called antifragile and it's. a term called antifragility and and it's. the understanding of like. do you It's It's like that balance. between and it's not like tough love or. it's it's not like that it's the balance. between being caring and conscious but. then recognizing that everyone has their. own experience as well that that they. need to grow from where is sometimes if. you try and master someone's experience.

too perfectly they actually just become. fragile because you know it's because. it's like they they've never experienced. any sort of uh your muscles only get. resilient when they get stressed and. pressurized and pushed a bit. So, You. sound like Tim. My husband says the same thing. He's. like you No, just he has to go through. that or he has to hear that or he You. know know, I mean? It's it's always I'm. trying to sometimes save him from.

something. Yeah. And Tim is like, "No, he has to go. through it.". I think the combination is good. I think. the com- I think I think I think the. middle ground is good. I think it would. be the same with my relationship. My. wife will be like you. That's that's. definitely how she sees it. And I think. I'm going to be like your husband. Like. that's def- But I think the. combination's good because I think we do. need a bit of both. I think all of us. would say, "Oh, we we wish we were saved. from this or. you know, taken care of from this in our.

lives." And I think all of us will say, "I wish I got to like try this." Or, you. know, we're always going to have that. So, But I'm happy. I will say, like a. lot of people will have regrets for. certain things. And it's like maybe one. thing that I have like a regret over. But everything else molded me and made. me. into the woman that I am today that I'm. very proud to be. And I still feel like. I'm a student. Like I said about being. an motherhood and marriage, I still feel. like a student. I still feel like I'm.

learning. And I'm grateful to have. people around. to help me to navigate my way through. that. Yeah, I know. I I definitely get. that. And I think I think ultimately all. of us have to find that narrative. that what we've been through. Because it. is just a perception change. But it's. when you find that narrative, when you. can really look back at your life and be. like, "I know exactly why I went through. that. And I know exactly why that pain. came into my life. And I know And as. soon as you do that, you start to retell.

your story to yourself in a different. way.". And it's so beautiful. so beautiful. Yeah, it's so beautiful. And and I've seen some people who've. gone through some really horrific things. do that. You know? And and when I've. seen them do it, it's given me more. confidence that if they can do it in the. crazy lives that they've had in the. stuff they've been through, which is. much worse than mine, then then that. makes sense. Absolutely. So, yeah, I I think I think there's a. lot of um. there's a lot of goodness in that.

recreating our own narrative and story. and and picking apart our lives and. trying to find meaning in it. And one. thing I heard you say is that you formed. a shero system. uh which which I loved like which I. think is a big part of this because I. think it's hard to have. I think it's hard to reframe your story. without having a shero system and having. a group of powerful friends and people. around you. Tell us a bit about how you. uh came to that understanding and.

started seeing it as that as creating. this supportive ecosystem of of other. women and to just also other people. I mean, my shero system started. When did it start? I mean. at. 10. You know what I mean? When I I first. started being around. uh the first little versions of. Destiny's Child. You know what I mean? And it was. understanding. girls at that time, growing up in space.

and boundaries, and. um. advice, and uh love, uh being able to. loyalty, trust. Being able to um. give it as as as well as uh receive it. Can I receive it and am I You know what. I mean? It was so much to learn, but I I. think that um. it's the the greatest blessing of my. life cuz my shero system still is is.

quite intimate, but it it grows, you. know, every now and then. I literally. will look up at God like, "Please, this. is it. I don't I don't want no more. friends." It's like, "This is already enough." But then. you'll meet someone and you realize that. sometimes. um. they need a shero system. So, it's been times where that's. happened and someone will come in and. they'll learn about, you know,

the. how important we need each other. as women. And I feel like I have the. best shero system in the world. I. really, really do. I have like. all the the elements that I that fill me. and um I'm so grateful for and so. grateful to have. So, I love my shero. system. I love that. What are some of the Tell. us some of the If If someone's listening. or watching right now and they're like, "I love that idea. I need to go build my.

shero system." Tell us some of the like. un- unwritten rules or principles or. like ideas behind developing one. So, if. someone's listening going, "You know, I. really want to do that." What What are. some of the rules that they can follow. or some of the ideas that that helped. you kind of figure out? Like, what you. just said is so awesome. Like, "Oh, actually I realize I may not want more. people, but this person needs someone.". So, what were some of those ideas that. helped build that? I'd say going off of. your gut and your heart. Mhm. For sure. Um I'd also say not judging each other.

so harshly. I I I find that sometimes as women we. are most hard on each other because I. think subconsciously we're looking at. another woman and seeing ourselves or. being competitive by accident. Um. because I think that's just the way. society has done for so long and it's. it's been a part of a control as well. So, we have to start undoing that. because sometimes. the relationship is bigger than you. If.

that makes any sense. Mhm. Mhm. You guys. learn so much from each other. Yeah. So, I I think that not judging. each other so harshly in it or like. dismissing like once I mean there are. some ground rules, we all know that. But not dismissing. immediately to where it's just like this. person can never win. Yeah. You know, and that's really harsh because I've. done it before. I'm guilty of it, for.

sure. Um. and I have just like let someone go and. then then um when I needed them, I. called them back. And that's not cool, either. So, I feel like. it should be a give and take in the. relationship. And sometimes there are going to be. moments in any relationship where. that other person may need you at that. time more than you need them, and you. find the balance of of that, and.

sometimes you may need them more than. they need you. You find the balance or. and you have some of those relationships. where it doesn't take a lot. Like I have. a girlfriend in Houston. It doesn't We don't even have to speak. every day. We probably speak every. couple weeks or every month or every 6. months or Oh my god, I can't believe. like a year's go by. We pick up exactly. where we left off. You know what I mean? But she's a person. that I constantly want to hear from and.

laugh with, and we have the best time, and. I just feel like those are necessary, too. So, you know, it's just about. being respectful and being kind. Yeah, always the basics. You Speaking about. being. dismissive and judging harshly, you. spoke up I remember you shared this, and. I remember sharing it, too, from you. You spoke up about like cancel culture. and against cancel culture because you. you strongly believed in this idea of. not judging people harshly and not just.

dismissing them. And and it wasn't that. you weren't saying to keep people. accountable, or I remember you. explaining like you you value. accountability. and and you value conversation but not. cancel culture. Can you explain that to. us because I think. I I agreed with you so strongly on that. and and I thought you explained it. really well and obviously people still. find ways to make it not make sense but. give us I want you to have an. opportunity to really explain that so. that people can be like yeah I I I. identify with that. I understand what.

what that means. For me when I was talking about cancel. culture, there were elements of it that. I didn't understand too. Like you know being completely. transparent. So I respect when people. come on to the my page or my space as I. say, my space and are able to articulate. intelligently what they want to say to. correct me. I don't mind being corrected. of course at all. But it's a way to say it to where we're.

trying to understand each other, not. trying to bash each other because ain't. nobody got time for that. Like life is. too short. It's just ridiculous. So when. there were a couple people who were so. beautifully and articulately like saying. Kelly, this is this is the difference. and I was like okay, I got it and I. understand like people should be held. accountable of their actions. But when. we start to. seep judgment in there and we can't look. at.

ourselves the rest of the way. like. it's a problem. To me it's a pro it's a problem because. I think that we've all seen ourselves in. a way where we have this humiliation. You know what I mean? Like and. what does that feel like? You know what. I mean? Like I to stand in humiliation. is a really tough place to be. And it's not to say that they're right, not to say that we're right, not to say. that they're just so wrong, not to say. that we're so wrong. It's just not.

judging. You know what I mean? It's just. not judging. Just making sure that. judgment isn't caught in between there. cuz I feel like I'm human. I mess up all. the time. and I'm not perfect and I am not going. to get it right every single time and. there'll be something that you'll just. like find about me where you're like, "I. don't like that." And do you write me. off? Should I never You know what I mean? Should I never be, you know, brought up. or heard of or whatever again? Like, you. know what I mean? Should I stop talking. to you? Do I How do I help you get out.

of it, you know, even? And some people. will completely disagree with me when I. say this, but I feel like, you know, when you. when you do live under a microscope for. so long, you. instead of um. doing this so much, I always feel like. how would I feel like to be on the other. side of that? And I just I don't like it. I don't I don't like it and I feel like. we. can't do that to each other, but I know.

what the root of that is. I know what. the root of that is and I know that the. root of it is the self-awareness and, you know, we judge ourselves harshly. We judge ourselves so harshly. We don't. mean to, but somewhere in life or somewhere. there, you know what I mean? In growing. up and in our journey, our own journey, somebody did that to us. And how do we undo that? I don't think that we make somebody else. feel like garbage because.

they're wrapped up in their trauma. and they they can't find their way out. of it. I I have so much it makes me want. to cry, but I have so much compassion. when it comes to that. And it it's um. it's necessary. Kindness is necessary. You know what I mean? I I really want. that tattoo or just on my forehead. somewhere. Just I just want to always. remind people that kindness is. necessary. We need it and especially now. when. we saw.

a country divided, greatly divided and. even though someone has different. beliefs or. ideas of what things should look like, you know, they have. uh their right or whatever of what it. looks like. I don't necessarily agree, but I'm not going to hate you for it. That's beautiful. Thank you for sharing. that. You've reminded me of. I've read this today. I want to share. it. It's by a writer named Russell Barkley.

and he said, "The children who need love. the most will always ask for it in the. most unloving ways." Mhm. Russell Barkley said that I'll read it. again. "The children who need love the. most will always ask for it in the most. unloving ways." Cuz you don't know how. Yeah. If it was never there, how how how. do you ask for it? How do you receive. it? How do you give it? Like there's no. rules on it. Exactly. And so and and. that's and that's what you just said.

That's that's it. Like it's. we we. that's why kindness, as you said, kindness is necessary because it's. needed both ways. to both the person we think that's doing. the hating. uh and the person receiving it too. It's. um it's it's such an important lesson. Let's uh. Let's Let's talk about some of the. amazing music you put out this year. Uh I've been I've been watching your. videos too and they are epic. Like I. just saw the Hit 'Em Up one like, you. know. Uh just literally just before we.

did this and I was just like, "Oh, it's. such a great video." I want to hear for. someone who's made music for so long, like how has your purpose. and then secondary, your creative. process behind music transformed? Because there's very few people on the. planet that have that have made music. for as long as you have and and there's. something to be said for that. Like, you. know, it's just. it's it's phenomenal to think of your. full journey and and to think of that.

whole. uh growth phase. I want to hear how your. process and how your purpose is has. grown behind the scenes. I mean, I just came into the industry. just loving music, period. But, I'd say like the process. the past what since 2011, I'd say. has been what do I like? What do I want. to do? What like really like makes me.

excited and fulfills me and this. but really when. Once again, that Titan. Once again, that Titan. Cuz I wanted him to see me be authentic. And I felt like there were times in my. life where like I was kind of like maybe. folding or bending sometimes according. to the industry and where it was and. what was popular and this and that. And I just finally got to a place where. I was like, I'm going to do whatever I. want to do. And I did and when I started to do that,

I noticed things happened differently. And of course like places in between. there I would doubt myself but then. it would always do something really cool. or great or somebody would be like, yo, this is the best such and such you've. ever made or you know, it would have all. these like number ones in different. countries or whatever. Like I was like, oh, okay, good. This is working. Yay. You know, it was it was really that when. before the process was kind of.

calculated um in my head or I wouldn't. say calculated as much as I was like so. much thinking about, well, what do you. think? What do you think? What do you. think? What do you think? And. it was what do you think? So, I like what I think. I like what I. have to say. That's I I love I love how Titan has. been like the the the theme of of each. of these revelations. Uh because it's right. Yeah, you want. you want him to see.

his mother being herself so that he. feels permission to be himself. And and you're so right that, you know, all of us in in so many different ways. and we don't have to be in the public. eye to not be ourselves. So many of us. in our own lives have played so many. roles where we haven't been ourselves. Yo, let me tell you about social media. Yo, I I I as much as I love it, I'm. watching like. we've we've all heard conversation. It's.

no It's no reason even like get into it. Like it's I just want people to. be their most beautiful authentic. selves. Like I have fun with filters, but you're not going to see me with a. You know what I mean? Like. this I see you. I just want to see you. I want to hear you. Like you know? Yeah. And and yeah, and and I think it's scary. because. we You're so right. We It's scary. because we don't see it a lot. Yeah. And therefore you don't see it.

being liked and then you go, "Oh, okay. So if I do that then it won't be liked. either." And so it's kind of like this. vicious cycle that it keeps going round. and round because we don't see it around. us, so we don't be it and then, you. know, it just keeps. uh. just keeps escalating. Yeah, and and and. amplifying. So yeah, I I I think that's. a that's another powerful way of of. hoping that that's how your music change. How did How do you think your music's. changed from the perspective of. it's.

uh. I guess that that purpose element of. that impact behind how you want it to. make people feel. Is Is that also this. It's feeling for me. Like. I just remember like the first times of. me listening to music how it made me. feel. Like and when um having a good time with. my friends when we could have like, you. know, get-togethers and stuff like that. Like what is this music making me feel. like, you know? Like I remember being at. um. a party 2 years ago.

and. it was Oh my god, it was such a good. good night. Um and I'd heard um uh. uh Coffee uh spin. And so he was spinning and I'm on the. dance floor. and I my eyes were closed for at least 5. minutes. And I was on my second glass of. champagne. But it was more so like I was. just lost in the music and it felt so. good. I opened my eyes back up and it.

was everybody on the dance floor. You know what I mean? And so when I. opened up my eyes it was so funny cuz I. someone came up to me. They were like, "Yo, you made it look like it was like. magic out here. I had to come in." And I. was like, "That's dope." Like cuz I feel. like, you know, music is that infectious. and I was like, "I want that. I want. want it to where it feels like that.". And so the the moment I heard Hit-Boy. uh specifically the track. I was just like I was moved. I was like, "Oh my god." Like I just got so excited.

and then the uh songwriter Sam Dew. started like just killing this melody. and I was like, "Oh my god." And it just. kept feeling better and better and it. just became this cyclone just of like. goodness and good feeling and vibrations. and I just couldn't help myself. I was. like, "Let me hear my Hit-Boy.". And just it just started bouncing off. the walls. You can feel it. And I wanted. that. And I'm so happy that I got that. and I got that with every song off the. record this time and I'm very proud of.

that. Yeah. I I love that and and uh you you. can you can feel that energy on the. track when someone's in love with what. they're creating. And and and then that. way everyone else feels it, too. And so, I I love that you're doing that, and I. love that that's the. You know, not not that you've you've. always done it, but that I love that. you're even more intentionally and. consciously doing it now, uh and I'm. inspired to see where it goes. So, we we. end uh every interview, Kelly, with a.

final five, which is a fast five. So, the answers have to be one word or one. sentence maximum. Okay. You know I'm. long-winded, Jay, but okay, let's go. I. know. But, you've been great. So, I I will. probably ruin this and ask you to give. longer answers because that's what I do. when I when I fall in love with an. answer someone gives. So, here are your. final five. Okay. So, what is something you learned. about yourself this year that you didn't. know before? I'm very very smart.

Awesome. I love it. Uh what what is your. source for feeling powerful and. abundant? My faith. And family. And family. Yeah. Okay, third question. Uh what's one thing that you are really. sure about, but that sometimes people. disagree with you on? Judgment. You've done really well, by the way. These are like really short, concise, precise answers. All right, question. question number four.

Uh. if you could make one law that everyone. in the world had to follow, what would. it be? Ooh, that's a good question. Okay. A law that everyone in the world had to. follow, what would it be? To lead with kindness. Love that. Beautiful. I I I look forward to that. being a a real law. Uh and fifth and final question, what's. your what's your prayer, your hope for. everyone in 2021?

Oh, my hope or prayer for everyone in. 2021. would be to have joy somewhere in their. lives. Mhm. Cuz we all need it. Absolutely. Thank you, Kelly. That was. absolutely beautiful. You're amazing, and I'm so grateful to have shared this. time and space with you. I. you know, I've followed you for for for. years, but to. feel your energy through a screen.

I have felt like your energy is so. genuine and so real that you can feel it. through a screen. Oh, thank you. and and spending this time with you has. been so wonderful. I've been laughing. and smiling the whole time we've been. talking. And we've we've talked about some really. deep and meaningful things, and we've. talked about, you know, some profound. topics, and like I've just been beaming. this whole time thanks to you. So, I. want to thank you from the bottom of my. heart for taking the time to do this. Oh, thank you. Uh and I want to ask you, as I always ask, is there anything. that's on your mind right now that you.

feel like, "Yeah, I have to share this.". or "I'm thinking about something that I. I didn't say." If there is, then please. share it. Uh I'd love to hear it. I literally feel like we touched on so. many different things, especially now, but like I when you said, um "What's. something I want people to have in. 2021?" I feel like we had so many things. taken away from us in uh 2020. And, you know, it's so funny cuz we went. into 2020 like, "This is perfect vision, and this and this and that." And then. it's like, "Wait a minute." Like we feel.

like the the rug was like snatched right. from underneath us, and it's like. so much has happened. So much has. happened. And I just really pray, my. hope and my prayer is for people to like. really. like. on all the places that we felt like even. more lost on and something was taken. away from us on in 2020, like that it's. restored with joy. Like it's restored. with joy in whatever kind of way it. could possibly be. I feel like we all. deserve some sort of joy. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Thank you so much, everyone. I hope you enjoyed listening to this. episode. Please share your favorite. parts on Instagram and tag me and Kelly. in because I love seeing what resonated. with you, what connected with you, and. we'll be back again next week. But, I. want to say a big, big thank you to. Kelly. Go and check out all her latest. music and the movie, which I can't wait. to watch, with Rowdy Merry Little. Christmas. And Kelly, I look forward to. meeting you. I look forward to meeting. Rowdy and your husband and. I'm I'm eagerly awaiting that moment.

So, but thank you from the bottom of my. heart and I hope you have an amazing. holiday season and I look forward to. seeing you in 2021. You as well. Thank. you so much and tell your wife I know. how to drink water because of her. I will tell her that. I will tell her. that. She's She'll be really excited to. know that you saw that video, so I'll. tell her. I love that. Thanks, Kelly. Thank you so. much. This is wonderful. This is. amazing. Thank you. Thank you. I feel. the same. Trust me. Everyone, my name's.

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