THE BIOHACKING EXPERT: NEW Research On How To Live Past 100 Years Old | Dave Asprey

If you can be triggered, it means you're. walking around with a loaded gun. 70% of. the emotional stress that we feel on a. daily basis comes from our body being. malnourished. Dave Asprey, New York. Times best-selling author. He's the. founder and CEO of Bulletproof Coffee. We've all been shamed for being lazy. Talking about laziness, the only thing. worse is talking about death. We are. living in a world today where you can. measure as 20 years younger than your. calendar age. You don't have to get old. Before we jump into this episode, I'd.

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Purpose, the number one health podcast. in the world. Thanks to each and every. one of you that come back every week to. listen, learn, and grow. Now, you know. that I'm curious about biohacking, about. becoming better, about improving my. energy, my focus, my strength. And. there's a guest that we've had on twice. before who I'm so excited to have back. on because he is the father of. biohacking, someone who has brought this. movement to the fore, helped create so. many products, insights, books that have. guided us through this. I'm talking. about the one and only Dave Asprey,

entrepreneur, four-time New York Times. best-selling author, and host of the top. 100 podcast, The Human Upgrade, formerly. Bulletproof Radio, which has more than. 200 million downloads. Dave is the. co-founder of Bulletproof Coffee and a. leading voice in the movement to take. control of our own biology. And what I. love about what Dave does is he makes. what could cost a a of money extremely. accessible, relevant, and practical. And. he's doing that in this new book called.

Smarter Not Harder, The Biohacker's. Guide to Getting the Body and Mind You. Want. Go and grab a copy of this right. now. We're going to put a link in the. captions so you can order it while. you're listening to us. Uh welcome back. to the show, Dave Asprey. Dave, third. time. Jay, it's always such a pleasure. to get time in person with you. I know, me too. I I really love seeing you. And. I said it to you today, I I see you. like, you know, whenever we're. connecting, maybe it's at a conference. or obviously on the podcast, you. better and younger and younger and. fitter and healthier every time over the. last few years. And I think that's.

testament to everything you say working. and everything you're saying prac-. you're practicing it. And honestly, I. saw you today and I was just like, "Who's this big bright light in my. house?" Like, you know, it's it's really. special to obviously practice what you. preach, but to actually see the. benefits. You must feel great, too. I. mean, I I feel amazing. I I wrote a big. book on longevity that I published a few. years ago. And I went really deep. For. 20 years I've been running a nonprofit. and just working in that field, but I. went really deep and I started doing the. stuff more aggressively.

And I am now, let's see, 11 years. younger than my calendar age. And last. week I just got some gene therapy. that'll take another 9 years off my. measured age. So, I should test to be. about 30 years old even though the. calendar believes something different. What is that measuring? So, I've heard. people talk about measuring the age. before. How is that calculating. Obviously, we know how your calendar age. marks, but how are they calculating a. biological age? Like, what does that. look like? What are the processes? You. draw a little bit of blood, and then.

they look at something called DNA. methylation, about 800,000 different. data points. And you can say, "Well, normal people. have this much methylation in this. pattern, but people who are younger look. this way." So, if you take two people's. blood, you should be able to tell their. age. But if they take my blood, they get. a much younger age. So, this is now the. gold standard for measuring how old you. are. There's other more affordable tests. like Viome has an age that's based on a. lot of things uh that are happening in. your gut bacteria and in your body. And.

then there's old-fashioned blood. telomere tests that don't work very. well. So, yeah, don't trust those ones. You. may feel like you're 10 years older, but. but that's that's not accurate. Well, I. want to dive into this new book. There. are so many chapters that really stood. out to me as we were going, and I picked. out some lines here that really kind of. hit me. This one I thought was huge, and. I love how you start the book on. laziness. And you talk about tapping. into the power of laziness, and I was. just thinking, this is so true because. whenever anyone's trying to shift their. health, whether it's biohacking, whether. it's mental health, whatever it may be,

laziness seems to be like this big. elephant in the room, right? It's like. that thing that slows you down, it makes. you lax, it feels like it's negative, but you say you're not lazy, your body. is, and you talk about tapping into the. power of laziness. Tell me how you do that, and what does. that mean? Because I think a lot of. you're going to make a lot of people. happy today. I will, but even talking. about laziness, it The only thing worse. is talking about death. I mean, people. they don't want to do it. So, when I. would you do an Instagram post about.

laziness, people would just not watch it. because like I don't want to face that. And we've all been shamed for being. lazy. There's that coach who's like, "Don't be so lazy. Run around the field. again." And the teacher, "You know, you're not performing." Or your parents. So, we have all this shame about it. The reality though is that. your body has an operating system. I. call it the meat operating system. And a. lot of spiritual work is actually. accessing that. And it has a very strong desire to not. waste energy. And that is a sacred. thing.

Right? Imagine if we had two people, and. one of them says, "Working hard gets. results." And I said, "All right, guys, go dig a ditch." And one of them says, "I got my shovel." And the other one. says, "I got a tractor." Uh okay. The. guy with the tractor was done in 20. minutes, and the other guy works for for. days. And we somehow believe without. thinking. the virtuous guy is the guy with the. shovel because he worked hard. And we're. unconsciously believing that working. hard gets results. So, we shame ourselves when we don't. work hard. And sadly, when we work hard.

and we don't get results, we start feeling like victims, which is. really toxic. We all know people work really hard and. don't get results. Maybe it's because we. have a belief system in there that. doesn't work. And when we say, "Well, couldn't I do this in an easier way?" We. start feeling shame. No, it's not okay. to do it the easy way because the virtue. comes from the struggle. But, in the world that we live in, the. virtue comes from getting it done. And understanding that you will always. have a desire.

to. be lazy. And think about it. You wake up. and you say, "All right, I could go to the gym. or there's a couch and there's donuts. and Netflix." The couch is always going. to look sexier. And there's If you we. start, "Well, I should want the gym.". No, you shouldn't. Your body really does. want the extra energy from the donuts. and not using any energy in case there's. a famine. So, embracing that your. motivation from your body. is to save energy and and there's. nothing wrong with that. So, then how do. you use that to motivate yourself?

That's how to hack laziness. Well, if. you go to the gym, well, let's say. you're going to do cardio. You go to. spin class. If you did an hour a day, 5. days a week, okay, that's aggressive. You're going to improve after 2 months, 2% improvement in your fitness. If you do the lazy way, the thing I. write about in Smarter Not Harder, you're going to spend 15 minutes a week. You will not sweat. That's the the. amount of time you spend brushing your. teeth, by the way. You'll improve by 12%. Six times more. So, you wake up and you say, "Today, I'm.

going to save 50 minutes of not working. at the gym cuz I'm going to do it. better.". And all of a sudden, it's really. motivating because the body says, "I get. to save energy at the gym?". And then the body aligns its motivation. with what your mind wants, and then the. resistance fades. And it's a really. important thing. It's something that. I've never seen written about anywhere. So, use the savings of time, the savings. of energy to motivate yourself. But, you. know who does know about this? Big food. companies. They will send you.

a. $0.25 coupon. And they're like, "Oh, look, I saved $0.25." Because to our. body, saving money feels like a lot more. than it really is. Right? So, it's about our unconscious. view of reality. So, since we know our. body does that without our knowledge or. permission, let's just use it to our. advantage instead of against us. Yeah, absolutely. So, using a 15-minute. workout per day No, no, no, no, no. No, using a 15-minute workout. 5 minutes, three times a week. 5. minutes, three times a week. How is that. having a 12% change? Well, maybe working.

hard doesn't get results when it comes. to exercise. And I want to be really clear. The. ability to work hard is necessary for. you to get things done in the world. But, working hard without the right. tools is a fool's errand. Yes. And one of my companies, it's a. franchise, we're about to be over about. 30 locations signed. So, we're opening. across the country. It's called Upgrade. Labs. You can go to ownanupgradelabs.com. and open one in your neighborhood. And. we have the technology to do this. It.

uses artificial intelligence. And it. causes you to move slower than you want, and then way harder than you really, really want to, but only for 20 seconds. And then, here's the trick. As soon as. you're done, you take some really deep. breaths, and it guides you with the AI. to say, "Breathe deeper." And it brings. your heart rate down. So, what your body. really responds to is really strong. stimulation, like a tiger was going to. catch you, and then a feeling of safety. and calm when you have enough minerals, you have enough nutrients. It says, "Oh, I guess I should improve my.

performance." But, if you go to the spin. class, okay, the tiger chased you on the. first sprint, and then you keep running, and then you sprint again, and you keep. running, and the body believes I'm being. hunted, and it doesn't get away. And if you're. combining that with a low-calorie diet, oh, there's a famine, and I'm. continuously hunted for an hour a day, no wonder it's not going to improve. It. doesn't have any energy to improve. It's. just stressed. Mhm. So, the precise dose. of exercise, it matters so much, and the. liberating thing,

you're going to hate me for saying this. So, you notice I'm in better shape than. before. 20 minutes a week is my entire. workout regimen. And I'm like I'm doing. all right, right? You're stacked, yeah. That's epic, man. And you you said it beautifully on page. 21. You said, "Your body does not care. how much time you do something hard. It. cares about how quickly you do something. hard, how hard it is, and how quickly it. returns to baseline." There you go. Page. 21. That is that is and that resonated.

with me a lot because and we'll talk. about this later on. I don't want to get. into it now, but you talk about this in. the book as well, why the infrared sauna. and why cold plunges. kind of ex- That that explains exactly. that process, especially if you're doing. both back and forth. And you think that. getting in the cold for you like, oh, I'd have to sit in there for a long. time, but it's actually how long is it. uncomfortable for. Right. that where it's actually working because. you're saying once it becomes. normalized, once anything becomes. normalized, whether it's spin class,

whether it's sitting in the cold, or. whatever it may be, it's now not having. that effect. It doesn't work. In fact, if you got in a in a normal warm bathtub. and slowly cooled the water, you would. have no benefits from doing that. And instead, it's that you got in and it. was a rapid drop in temperature, and. then you got out, and the body warmed. itself up again. And it's teaching the. body that it is safe to warm itself up, and then it becomes better at creating. heat. If your body's better at creating. heat, it means your metabolism works. better. And so, we've unpacked all of this using.

machine learning and artificial. intelligence. And today most people they. buy gym memberships and they don't go. There's $400 a year of ghost memberships. where people pay and never show up. because well, if I have the membership I. might show up, but the lazy impulse of. the body wins because the gym doesn't. have a good return on investment of your. time. Mhm. Wow. And I'm not saying you. shouldn't work out. No, I know what you. mean. Yeah. And if you go to the gym, awesome. I enjoy that as well, but I'd.

frankly rather go to a yoga class in my. spare time and then you can get the. muscles in about three to five times. less time than going to the gym. You get. the cardio in I don't know 15 minutes. versus 5 hours a week. I don't know the. ratio there, but it's crazy. And it's. much better cardio anyway. Mhm. And so. all of a sudden you're saying wait, I. got my strength, I got my cardio. And. that was what led me to create Upgrade. Labs because people want to come in and. do this. And what do you do with the extra time? Well, how about we train your brain with. neurofeedback? How about we train your.

stress response so you can be more. resilient when things are weird at work. or at home or things like that. Or how. about we just make it so your body. recovers better than it ever did. And. what we're dealing with now is a world. full of stress. and never any recovery time. So, let's. use technology to handle the easy stuff. like muscles and cardio and then let's. take the extra saved time to make our. brains better and to make our stress. handling better. Absolutely has changed my life. Have you. got one in LA, Upgrade Labs? There's one.

at the Beverly Hilton, although that. hotel is about to get renovated. And. there's one in Santa Monica underneath. Arnold Schwarzenegger's office. to go. Oh, absolutely. You're always. welcome to come in. Yeah, this is I didn't realize. That's. awesome. Yeah, in fact the first one. opened 8 years ago in Santa Monica. I've. been working on this for a long time. before we decided to let anyone open a. business at Upgrade Labs. And part of. this is it's a global movement now, biohacking. It it's a thing. You go to. Latin America, you go to Japan. It. doesn't matter. There's biohacking all. over the world. And. it's expensive to build a million-dollar.

lab like I did at my house with all this. advanced tech. So, I'm like, "What if we. just made it available for everyone?". Mhm. That's awesome. I can't wait to. check it out. All right, let's dive back. in. There's a couple of things that you. talk about. So, we talked about. laziness. One of the things that you talk about in. the book is removing friction. So, you. have these six steps to energy success. And I'll let people get the book to dive. into all of them. I don't want to go. through everything. But, you talk about. removing friction. And I think when you. when you dive into that, I was like, "That's the right word." Like, it's. friction that we experience. What are.

some of the steps or some of the. highlights that you see of like removing. friction? What does that look like? When. you think about something that you want. to do, oftentimes it's the little things. that feel really big because your body's. creating resistance. It's like, "Don't. waste energy. There might be a famine. Don't waste energy." So, if you can't. find your gym shoes, right? Cuz you you're not organized, right? And there's a lot of things that. we do that make it so that there's many. steps and each step is a decision. So, you you remove decisions to make it. really easy. And a big source of.

friction is you wanted. to do it, you went to the gym, and you. didn't get results. Well, one of the. things that's holding you back is that. either you're exposing yourself to. toxins that lower your testosterone, things like extra plastic, BPA, um or you're just lacking minerals. And. right now, we have an epidemic of people. who just don't have enough minerals. Our. food used to be full of minerals because. our soil was full of minerals. We've. been kind of strip farming the land. So, even if you're eating plants that are.

supposed to be high in iron, they're. probably not because the soil doesn't. have iron anymore. And when you get enough minerals in the. body, then the you send a signal through. your exercise that says, "Hey, improve.". The body says, "Well, I wanted to. improve, but I have this big sticking. point. I don't have enough zinc and. copper. I can't improve." So, then you. just feel stressed. So, one of the things that's really. helped me lean out is I focus very. heavily on my mineral intake. They're. the least sexy supplements on Earth. And to make minerals go where they're.

supposed to go, we need something called. vitamin Dake. And you can go to. vitamindake.com. and it's there. It's about 20 bucks a. month for what it takes to do this. It's. a combination of vitamin D, vitamin A, vitamin K, and a special form of vitamin. E. And those things, when you take those. in combination with a broad-spectrum. mineral supplement on the same site, your body suddenly has the power to. build bones and to build muscle and make. energy, and your focus can improve. And then I put the trace minerals that.

are just broadly lacking for all of us. in my new coffee brand called Danger. Coffee. So, the idea is it's easy. You're doing coffee every day probably. anyway, and you end up going, "Wow, something different. It feels different. than this.". And it's called Danger Coffee, by the. way. You're going to like this because. who knows what you might do. You know, you you might finally ask that. girl out. You might start a company. You. might start a podcast. Uh the idea is. that. you can handle it now because. you've got the energy, and minerals are. the key. Mhm. And why are the minerals.

you talked about this like we always. talk about supplements, talk about. vitamins. We don't hear about minerals. as much, and you make that point in the. book. Are those the four minerals that. you're saying, the DAK and special form. of E? Like those are the Those are. vitamins. They're they're the. fat-soluble vitamins, and each of those. directs minerals to go to the right. place in the body. And then the minerals, there's. macrominerals, things like magnesium and. potassium, and there's trace minerals. like zinc and copper and manganese, and. then there's ultra-trace minerals that. are present in Earth's crust. You need a.

little bit of those. So, there's in the coffee, there's 54. different kinds of minerals at super. tiny traces, and in the supplements you. take, it's three pills to get enough. minerals, just enough minerals in your. day. That's why a one-a-pill thing that. vitamins, and There's not enough of. anything in that. And when you do that, those are the first two most important. foundational and affordable supplements. that you need to take before you do B. vitamins. And I've formulated nootropics and. advanced anti-aging and longevity. things. I love doing that and I take.

those, too. But, the last thing I would. ever stop taking would be vitamin D and. minerals 101 because they're. foundational to everything else your. body does, whether it's meditating. better, whether it's running faster, whether. it's thinking better, or just staying. calm in a stressful situation. Without. minerals, your body cannot do what it's. trying to do. Yeah. No, I couldn't agree. with you more. I've I've definitely. We've talked about this before and I've. definitely had periods in my life where. I was so low on minerals or vitamins, of. course, which are then impacting the. minerals, where I'm like, "Wait a.

minute. I'm sleeping right. I'm working. out. I'm eating right." Like, "What is. going on?" And so often, I think we make. it a mental challenge where we're like, "Oh, maybe I'm dealing with something.". And actually, what you realize is your. body's just not dealing with stress. well. And now it makes it feel like. everything's mental when it's actually. biological and chemical. Uh you said it. so my body's not dealing with stress. right now. I believe that half and maybe. 70% of the emotional stress that we feel. on a daily basis, it comes from our body.

being malnourished. Yes, I agree. Yeah. And then it feels like I've experienced. that. Okay, you have. So, me, too. And it. feels like it's your mother-in-law or. your boss or like like it's someone. else's fault or maybe it's you and your. mind is running in circles. Well, when. the body feels like, "Okay, there's not. a famine. I've got everything I need.". All of a sudden, things that felt like. Everest, they're Oh, that's just a. photo. I could walk up that, no problem. And to create a feeling of peace in your. tissues and then do the hard work on the. mental and spiritual aspects of. meditation,

it's a lot easier to work on those when. your body's working. But, if if you're. constantly feeling that what your body's. telling you because it's hungry. is you and it's a flaw or it's something. to work on, you can spend your entire. life trying to deal with your emotions. not knowing that it's what's on your. plate that's causing them. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I want to fully double. emphasize that. That is so true and so. real and I think so many of us are. climbing up a steep hill trying to solve. the wrong problem first. And this way. around is going to make all of it much. easier. I I think you're spot on. I'm so.

glad so glad that we addressed that. I. wanted to dive into this one. Like I For. everyone who's listening and watching, the book goes into depth into exactly. the minerals, exactly the vitamins you. need. Like I want you to know that the. book's giving you a breakdown and so. make sure you grab the book so that you. actually get all the insights. I just. want to give you the breadth of the. insight that Dave has so that you're. like, "Oh, wait a minute. I need to work. on that. I need to work on that." Uh. something you talk a lot about is. picking a target area and tracking it. And you talk about these core target. areas. You talk about strength,

cardiovascular fitness, energy, metabolism, brain function, and stress. resistance. And I found that. that's probably our biggest mistake when. it comes to our health is we either. measuring nothing or we're trying to. measure everything. You nailed it. Right? Where should one start? Like how. does one, I guess, intuitively or data. wise know what they are missing right. now? Because I feel like most of us. don't know. Most of us live quite. unconsciously.

and we may be feeling a bit tired, we. may be feeling a bit of body pain, but. we're not really that aware of what the. challenge is and what we need. I have a. lot of data on this because we ask. people this when they come into our labs. and that was one of the things that. inspired me to structure the book this. way. And it's kind of funny. The only people. on Earth who are going to say when they. wake up in the morning, the first thing. they want, I want to be healthy today. They're people who are like me. When I. weighed 300 lb, I had chronic fatigue. syndrome and arthritis and massive brain. fog and I was a wreck. So, being healthy.

was a top priority for me. And you might. get there when you're 75, right? That's. well. I just wish I was healthy. But. when we're reasonably healthy, health is. number 17 on the honey do list. I I want. it. And what's really motivating us, often times from our body, is we want to. be powerful. We want to be energetic. Uh. we want love in our life. And those. things they trump health. So health. never gets enough priority. And what. does health even mean? Most people can't. tell you. So I broke it down into those.

five or six categories. And okay, what. are you going to work on first? And. every person is individual. So where are. you today? And then what's your first. goal? And everyone says, "Well, I want. all of those." But pick one. And in. fact, I encourage you in the book to. pick two. And really think about it. And. when people come and we actually use a a. conjoint analysis survey and like we we. go through data to help you figure out. your goals. But in the book I teach you. how to do it. So if your first goal is,

"You know what? I noticed that I'm I'm. weak. I I I can't hold on to things like. my grip strength is gone. I don't have the muscles I want." Okay. So you're going to focus on muscle. first. Or like a lot of people, "I'm. stressed all the time and my brain. doesn't work." I'm going to focus on my. brain first. So then you go to the. section of the book on brain and I list. all of the technologies and techniques, whether they're free or cost a couple. hundred bucks or cost thousands of. dollars, that work really well to bring your. brain back online. And when you do that, your muscles will. work a little bit better as a side.

effect. Right? So maybe that was it. First I want my brain, then I want my. muscles. But someone else be totally. different in their desires. "I want to. be able to run a marathon. I just need. the endurance to walk up the stairs. because I can't take care of my kids.". Stuff like that happens all the time. So. you you go through the book and say, "Okay, this is my goal." And then. there's a variety of technologies that. will support that. And some of them I. say technologies, they're just. techniques. And if it's muscles, picking. up rocks. is the entire history of building. muscles for humans. We concentrate the. rocks into kettlebells now, but they're.

still rocks. And then for endurance, it's run away from tigers. Like, you. could run away from a slow tiger or a. fast tiger. And that's all of exercise. Well, with. machine learning and AI, we are doubling. the amount of knowledge of biology that. we have every 73 days. There's so much. magic happening right now that. you can use this new knowledge that your. doctor isn't probably never going to. know. And you can use that to say, "Oh, I can do this in a lot less time." So, then you get your muscles back and your.

brain works better. You get your brain. back and then you have the energy to do. the muscle work or to do the endurance. work. And then say, "Okay, I'm going to. work on these stress management. techniques." And you have so much wisdom. that you've offered people on on dealing. with stress and the meditation side of. things. And there's a couple chapters towards. the end of the book where I talk about, you know, spiritual hacking, which on. its face is a bit offensive. I admit it, but, you know, I. No, I knew it came from a good place. It it did. Yeah. And the idea here is is. what would have happened in Tibet or in.

India or Nepal or a place like that is, okay, we have a cave. and you can go to the cave and 20 years. later you are going to be enlightened. And you could call that fast path. But. most of us have other things that we. want to do. So, how do we get the. maximum amount of meditation benefit per. minute? Like, hurry meditate faster? It's an oxymoron. Except if you can say, "Well, I'm going to do breath work with.

my meditation." And studies show that. your brain gets into these states more. quickly, then maybe you should consider. finding the kind of breath work that. works for your body. Because for every. 10 minutes of work you do, you might get. into the state faster. And for some. people say, "Well, that's not okay." The. Dalai Lama years ago offered a $100,000. reward to neuroscientists who could help. him get into a special esoteric state. He says, "It takes me 4 hours of. meditation to get there and I don't have. 4 hours. If you can get me there in an.

hour, I'll pay you $100,000." Okay. This. is uh possible today. I I run a. neuroscience clinic called 40 Years of. Zen. And in 5 days, people have the. brain waves of someone who spent 20. years in the cave. And I've spent 6. months of my life with the electrodes. glued to my head meditating every day. with a computer teaching me how to not. do it wrong. And for me, that was faster, but I also. did 5 years of Art of Living. um breathwork every single morning cuz I. found it worked better than just sitting. and meditating, which I also did every. morning. And I want people to understand.

any of those approaches is better than. not doing it. And you've got to find the. one that works for you. And there's a. list of of exercises in here. including the Reset Process, which is. one of the most important things I. teach. Can you walk us through that? The. Reset Process is something that I. pioneered with the neuroscience practice. because you can measure when it works. And what you do, and the whole recipe is. in the book for it. But what you're. doing is you're finding something that. is a trigger for you. And I want to be.

really straightforward. If you can be. triggered, it means you're walking. around with a loaded gun. You need to unload the gun. It's not. everyone else's job to not make you. shoot them. It's your job to say, "I'm. not carrying a weapon anymore.". And so you find something that triggers. you, and you sit and you think about. that feeling. And it's usually something. will pop into your head. You were. bullied. Uh something a parent said. Someone cut you off in traffic. It. doesn't really matter. It's something's. going to pop in your head. You say, "Okay, I'm going to run the Reset. Process on that." So you sit the person.

who made you angry down across from you. in your mind's eye. Visually, yeah. Yeah, visually. And. you're also in your mind's eye, you. imagine some sort of infallible deity. Some people use God or Jesus or Buddha. or, you know, any of the deities that. you like. Or it could just be, you know, a. a light bulb that's always right. It It. It doesn't matter. But this is your your. double checking thing. And then you sit. there and you actually say. "You did this. and it made me feel this way." And then.

you tap into how bad you felt and you. actually turn on the bad feeling. You're. like, "What? You want me to actually Yes, I want you. to feel it.". And then once you're sure that you've. really felt the bad feeling, you might. have tears in your eyes. I mean, it. might have been a big thing. Then, and. this is the key that's missing from a. lot even of older literature, before you. work on letting it go, you have to find. gratitude. So, you find one thing. It doesn't. matter how big of a gratitude it is. You. just need a spark of gratitude and say, "Oh, here's one good thing that.

happened.". And all of a sudden that flips a switch. in your brain. And then you can step. into the F-word called forgiveness. And. Forgiveness. I bet that's on everyone's mind, right? Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And the reason I call it the F-word is a. lot of people I'm not going to forgive. that person. They wronged me. You don't. have to tell them you forgive them. This. is just you unloading the weapon. This. is you no longer being triggered. Right? And then you look at it from the. other person's point of view.

And you realize maybe their mom was mean. to them. You know, maybe they didn't. know. Maybe the guy who cut you off in. traffic was on the way to the hospital. to see his daughter being born. You just. don't know. Right? And you start looking at that and. all of a sudden because you did. gratitude first, you feel your heart. open and you go, "Oh my gosh." And when. you're done, and sometimes it takes. neuroscience or a facilitator or some. coaching, but when you're done, you can. look at someone who wronged you greatly. and all you feel is peace and love.

And you can no longer be triggered. This. is very important because what we. normally learn to do is to say, "Well, I know that every time this situation. comes up, I'm going to feel triggered. I'm going to notice that I'm triggered. and then I'm going to take a deep breath. and I'm going to choose to behave like. an adult." Hallelujah for doing that. We. all need to do more of that. It's just. biologically expensive because it takes. a lot of effort and time and focus. What. if there was no trigger? So, the reset. process lets you turn this off at a very. deep and profound level. And when you're.

done, you can look at your greatest. enemy and you can say, "I love you. I. forgive you. We are one." And you are. done for the rest of your life with that. trauma. And I have done this on every. single trauma that's ever happened. Um. I've I've had a a very successful. conscious uncoupling the last. I had an employee embezzle money. I've. had people try to ruin my reputation. All of it. Around the reset process on. it and I'm absolutely at peace with it. And to be able to get there, running I. mean, you run at a very big level, so do. I.

And the amount of stuff that comes at. us, no one's ever going to know. It is. an enormous thing when you're leading. millions of people and making the world. a better place. And to be able to do that without the. constant stress and the constant tension. and the constant questioning in your. mind, that all comes from unresolved. forgiveness. So, the reset process in the book is how. do you get there most quickly? And you. may say, "I don't want to do that. That. sounds awful." Do some EMDR. That's. another way to get to a similar state.

But this process. is so powerful and it leads you to. amazing spiritual states where you no. longer are carrying a grudge. Because I. mean, smarter not harder, the power of. laziness, how expensive is it for you. spiritually at a soul level to carry a. grudge against someone who wronged you. for the rest of your life? It life is too precious to waste it that. way. And this is the fastest way I've. found for people to learn how to let go. of something. And I put it in the book. You say, "Well, that I thought that was. about exercise and biohacking." Look,

the the biggest thing you can do and the. hardest thing you can do is to let go of. something that your body is holding on. to because it thinks it's keeping you. safe. And I thought it was just worthy. of including in the book. That's what I. mean by spiritual hacking. Find the. technique that lets you fully let go of. something so that you can be present. with your family, with your friends, with your loved one, and then you can be. present for your mission, or maybe you. can find your mission and your purpose. Yeah, I think I I think it's so well. said and I'm so glad you included it. because I think for the sake of. simplicity we talk about our body, our.

mind, our soul, our spirit, or whatever. we call it. But the truth is that it's so. interconnected in that as you were. saying if you can't let go of an. emotional disconnect or a misalignment, chances are that's going to lead to your. eating habits, and then that eating. habit is going to link back to a lack of. that spiritual cleansing or detoxing or. whatever that may be. And so we're kind. of just stuck in this vicious cycle and. I I wanted to talk to you about that. because using that spiritual hacking the.

other way and going, "What are some of. the blocks that are created physically. because of the lack of letting go?" What. are some of the habits that you've seen. develop physically in our diet, in our. you know, in our physical practices. because of a lack of that? I believe. that every cell in your body has its own. small consciousness. And even inside the. cells, the mitochondria, each of them is. an ancient bacteria. And ancient. bacteria have a consciousness. It's a.

pretty slow, dumb consciousness. Actually, it's a very fast. consciousness, but it's it doesn't have. much awareness. But when you have billions, actually for. those things almost trillions, inside. the body, they function as a distributed. consciousness for your meat, for your. your hardware. And they're just trying. to keep the petri dish alive and they. think you're a petri dish. And you realize that they're storing. traumas. And when you do this really. deep forgiveness work, you're causing. the body to relax and you're causing the. body to feel safe at a cellular level.

And when a cell feels safe, it will. expand and grow and thrive and it'll. maintain itself. And when a cell feels. like the environment around it is. hostile, whether it's because of. self-hate, or whether it's because of a. lack of nutrients, or because you're. over-exercising or under-exercising, then they don't feel safe, and then they. don't do their job right. So, when your. body is in that place, your energy field. gets bigger and stronger, and we can. even measure that at the Neuroscience.

Clinic. We measure brain voltage, and. people will increase their brain. voltage. And when that happens, suddenly that injury that you've had. that won't heal, it heals. The cancer that you have can shrink just. from doing meditation, right? Because if. there's conscious or unconscious. loathing around a part of your body, like oh, you don't like your love. handles, right? They're probably not. going to go away. In fact, they'll. probably get bigger, right? Because they. don't feel safe. So, this deep loving of.

your body, of your tissues, and. um I was working with a teenager. recently, and she said, "You know, some of my friends don't like their. bodies." Mhm. Uh and. occurrence, yeah. Yeah, and and they think they're fat, or. they think they're thin, or they don't. like their nose, or whatever. And she said, "I thought about it. uh a lot, and I realized I really like. my body because it can do all these. amazing things." And I was like, "That. is the most enlightened, cool thing I've.

ever heard from a teenager." Right? Because if you have that self-love for. your tissues, even if they're not. working right. And I say this as a guy. who was 300 lb with like arthritis and a. knee that I couldn't trust cuz it would. just like it would just fold in the. middle of walking, and I would fall. over. Like, I was such a wreck. And to be able to go through and and. forgive yourself, that's actually the. hardest forgiveness. And you can run the. reset process on a part of your body. that you have an issue with. You can run. the reset process on your entire body. And the feelings of not being enough, not being good enough,

all of those things, you can just let go. of. So, you're just at peace and things. are as they are and you don't have to. have an emotional reaction to. everything. And that allows you to have. so much more energy. for your spirit. When that spiritual. lacking is draining all your energy, you. don't have the energy to pick the right. foods and to do the workout and to. put into your creative processes or. creative endeavors that you have going. on. And I want to dive into a couple of. things which I thought really I'm glad.

you talked about this in the book. because I think the challenges as we. know with health and wellness, there's. always a new fad, a new trend, a new. kind of thing that comes up and everyone. gets behind it and then afterwards a few. years later, we realize that there was. more research to it. I think one of. those big areas is around let's let. there's two areas in the book that you. cover really well that I want to dive. into. One is around where we get our. protein. We know protein's important. I. mean, remind us how much protein we need. to get every day, like good protein. because. You need between 0.8 and 1 g of protein.

per pound of body weight. So, I weigh. 200 lb and I'm about 7% body fat. And. that means I need about 200 g of protein. a day. 7% body fat? Yeah, it's ridiculous. As a guy who was. the fat computer hacker from the first. Jurassic Park, it's totally ridiculous. And in order to do that, if if you're. obese like I was, you might say, well, if I weigh 300 lb and I had 100 lb of. fat, you really only need 200 g of. protein. You can subtract the extra fat. from the number. But 200 g of protein.

It's a lot. And protein isn't all the same. And this. is something that. That's what, yeah. Yeah, that the big. food companies are trying to tell us, oh, you cricket protein or gluten is. protein. There's a company making keto. cookies that are all protein. They're. just gluten and canola oil. And that. that is not food. So, a while ago the. story was, oh, all calories are the. same, so you can drink this, you know, high fructose corn syrup, it's just. calories. As long as you keep your. calories low, you can drink a diet Coke. and a Snickers bar, they cancel each. others out. It doesn't work like that. Protein's the same way. So, different.

proteins send different signals to the. body and there's something called amino. acid availability score. And it turns. out that animal proteins score much. higher than plant-based proteins. And. I say this as a former vegan, a former. raw vegan. And you just cannot get enough protein. from plants unless you're doing heavy. industrial processing of the plants. And. that comes at a cost. But even then, the. highest quality plant-based protein. powders don't hold a candle to dairy.

protein, which is vegetarian, or egg. protein, which is vegetarian, or sort of. the king of proteins is beef or buffalo. or or bison. As a vegan, I had a problem. with this because well, I was a vegan. I was in Tibet at a a monastery and. Tibetan monks love to argue. And they're. trained since they're about 8 years old. or they have an 8-year-old sitting on. the ground surrounded by older kids. standing up, all arguing at the same. time, doing these like aggressive things.

and it's to teach you to be calm in the. face of arguments so that you can still. be at peace. And it's beautiful to. watch. So, I knew this and and so I'm kind of. teasing the head llama. I said, "Well, you tell me no killing, but you have a. yak skin on your prayer pole. Uh so, I. think you're a hypocrite." And he starts. laughing and he looks at me, he goes, "One death feeds everyone." I'm like, mind blown cuz I had been a vegan until. I went to Tibet and I was like, "I. cannot be a vegan in Tibet because. there's just very little food and if. there's, you know, some yak butter tea.

or there's, you know, a little bit of. meat, you just eat it cuz there's just. not enough food.". So, I really thought about it and that. led me to think about deaths per. calorie. And as a guy who's built a. regenerative farm on Vancouver Island. and raised all of my own animals for. most of the last 8 years, I will tell you that a cow will feed you. for an entire year, and if it's. grass-fed and from a local farmer, no. other animal died unless the cow stepped. on a frog. I mean, it is literally one. death, and if the cow was treated with.

respect and ethically, then you are killing fewer animals than. an industrial plant protein because when. they do those, the tractor comes through. and it chops up every creature that's. there, including the bunnies and the. mice and the butterflies and all the. ugly ones like worms that no one likes. that are important for life. So, I feel really clean about it, but. the most important thing that I can say. if you choose to eat animal protein, which I do, is that practice gratitude before you. eat. Um I believe because of my shamanic.

training and because of all the. spiritual work that I do, that humans, our energetic field as a. species, made a sacred agreement with. the animals that we've domesticated, and. they come here to nourish us in exchange. for our gratitude. So, if you're going. to eat meat, you practice gratitude. because that's the deal we made. And if. you disrespect the animal and you're. eating industrial meat, and you're. eating it with mindlessly, I don't think. that's a good practice. But, I do think.

it's ethical to eat meat because I'm. killing fewer lives when I eat beef than. when I eat plant-based protein. And. since that nourishes me better, which. gives me stronger energy and stronger. bones, and it gives me more energy to. put back into the world, including. building better soil via farming of. animals, I feel like it's a good deal and it's. within integrity for me. But, even in. some animal protein you were. recommending, and we'll talk about the. plant proteins as well, but some of the. animal proteins you were saying are not. as strong and reliable. I believe you.

mentioned chicken, turkey. I think there. are a couple of others in the book that. I saw. Birds are not that They're not. dinosaurs. So, they're less like us, and. the fat that's present in birds is. similar to soybean oil. It's a lot of. omega-6 that causes inflammation. And. you would know this, if you're in India. and you're not feeling well, your. grandmother's going to give you white. rice and ghee, which is clarified. butter. In the US, you get saltines and. margarine or something and it doesn't. work very well. But the reason is that ghee, that. saturated fat, is very nourishing for.

you. And that you actually need that. You don't get it from a chicken. And. also, one chicken, to get the amount of. protein I need, I eat a chicken a day. I'm killing 365 chickens a year. This. doesn't feel very good. In addition to. that, real chickens, the kind that I. grow on my farm, take 9 months to. mature. And their fat is rich and yellow. and full of vitamins, even though it's. not the best kind of fat. But the. chickens that you're eating at the store. take 6 weeks to get that big because. they're they've been modified and bred. to have these incredibly large breasts.

and they're terribly mistreated. So, unless the chicken is pasture-raised and. a heritage breed, which point it's not. affordable. They're terribly expensive. to raise. Chickens exist to make eggs. Eggs, if you're not allergic, are really. a good source of fat and protein. And when you eat eggs, you want to cook. the whites and leave the yolk runny. And. then you get the most nutrients that. way. We talked about the plant protein. from a. ethical standpoint, but but even from a. nutritional standpoint, I mean, I as So,

me and my wife are both plant-based, but. plant protein is like not a big part of. our diet at all. My wife's like not into. eating any of the burgers or any of the. meats. It's probably a good thing that fake. meat is not good. Yeah, it's Yeah, explain why because I. think that's slightly the challenge for. a lot of people who try and make that. switch and I feel everyone who turns to. that then goes back because. it's not satisfying at all. Are you plant-based to the exclusion of. of dairy? Yes, I am. Yeah, me and my. wife are We have been for years. Yeah, and and it's working for you. And. by the way, if you're from India, you.

probably have the genes that are going. to support that much better. exactly. And so, if you look at what. your great-grandmother ate, that's going. to be an indication of what you can. handle. And if If look at you, your skin. is really good. And that's unusual when most people go. vegan cuz they eat a lot of industrial. processed seed oils. Yeah. So, if you're. eating a diet that agrees with your. body, and I totally support doing that, um then what you want to do is you want. to make sure that you're getting. complete amino acids. And you can do it.

from rice and beans, but here's the. issue. To get enough protein from. hard. I'm I'm really like I'm thinking. about it a lot. Like it's like 300 g of. carbs to get 20 g of protein. So then, your best bet for plant-based. proteins that have the highest amino. acid score, it's actually hemp protein. with the fat removed. Because hemp oil. isn't particularly good for you. So. then, what you end up doing is saying, "Okay, I'm going to do that and I feel. good." I've also helped a lot of um.

a lot of vegans. In fact, this is at. David Wolfe's vegan conference. I. explained the virtues of ghee, where no. animals die to make ghee, and ghee helps to escort the nutrients. from plants into the body so you make. better use of the plants. So sometimes. adding, you know, a tablespoon of ghee a. day gives you like a healthier skin. glow, and it it feels more nourishing. And people can choose to do that or not. choose to do that. And I And people get. mad cuz I tease vegans. Dude, I was a. vegan. Like it It's teasing, guys. It's. It's not It's not a disrespectful thing. It's a.

In my case, it it actually harms me. And some things like spinach, kale, uh even raspberries and almonds. are very high in oxalic acid, which I. write about in the book. And it causes. crystals to form. 70% of kidney stones. are from plant-based compounds, not from. eating meat and beer. 30% are from meat. and beer. And so, you can overdo either direction, right? So, I want people to say, "Choose. the right plants when you're. plant-based." And. I would consider, if I was plant-based,

adding hemp-based protein powder, even. though it is a processed food, it's going to be a processed food that. has the best amino acid score that you. can get. Absolutely. Thank you so much. Very. useful for everyone who's listening. And. I wanted to dive into drinking the wrong. kind of milk. Because I think milk's. been this, you know, there's obviously. there's been the almond milks and the. oat milks and then there's been debate. on either side. Walk us through milk. because I think like that's again, I'd. love to hear your side of it because. again, it's one of the I find all of. this so confusing because you hear.

something new come out. Everyone gets. behind it. It works for people. Maybe it. doesn't work. Stopping dairy milk from. my diet helped me with my gut. But I. also don't drink a lot of. oat milk or almond milk. That's not. really That's not really part of my. diet. I don't I don't have cereal and. stuff like that. So I'm not drinking. that. But then there's a lot of debate. on that side of it as well. There is a lot of debate. Yeah. Dairy. milk has been a part of human food for. at least 5,000 years. And it's a.

convenient way to not kill an animal and. to have it continuously produce fat and. protein, which are the hard things for. humans to get enough of because carbs. are relatively abundant in nature. So. what do you do? Well, normally you would. just drink milk, but the milk we would. drink was from a breed of cows that. makes A2 milk and they ate grass. And. that works well with our biology. The. kind of milk that you get now is from. cows that are bred to eat grain and and. corn and soy. And that milk has the. wrong kind of fat and it has a kind of.

protein called A1 protein that's very. inflammatory. So a lot of people who can't drink milk, which include me cuz it messes up my gut. royally. It just makes me It makes me. stupid actually. My brain swells up from. it. I get a lot of mucus. I used to get. throat like I used to get more throat. infections like Me, too. It's very. similar. So sometimes you can handle A2. milk, but raw A2 milk is how we used to. drink it. And in many states it's still. illegal. And why the government thinks. it has a right to tell you what you're. allowed to eat, I don't know. They don't. have that right. So it doesn't matter if.

they make it illegal. They didn't have. the right to make it illegal, so. therefore it's not illegal in the world. that I live in. Then again, if you're. selling it, they might still try to. arrest you and you got to go to court. But here's the deal, raw milk for many. people is very very healing. And for some people whey protein, especially if you're vegetarian but not. vegan, it's a. source, just get grass-fed whey protein. cuz the animals are treated better and. because it's a higher quality. nutritional product. But let's assume. you're not going to drink cow's milk. because for a lot of people it just. doesn't work, including me, I don't. touch it.

Butter and ghee usually are acceptable, especially ghee won't trigger allergies. and mucus like that for almost anyone. Well, what about the fake milks? Right? So these are all industrial products. unless you make it yourself. And what. they figured out with almond milk was, oh, we can take leftover parts of. almonds and you know, the ones that are. broken and unsightly, and we can use. those to make milk. And it's just a few. almonds and some canola oil and some. high fructose corn syrup, some. flavorings, and we blend it up and we.

sell it for like $8 as a health food. product. It's not a health food product. So almond milk is high in phytic acid. that sucks minerals out of your bones, so you have to take more minerals, and. it's also high in oxalates, which are. the things that are causing kidney. stones, and things that are causing gout. and joint pain when you wake up. Even if. you have really bad skin and you're. eating a ton of these high oxalate foods. like almond milk and kale smoothies and. all, this can be why because it's making. tiny razor sharp calcium oxalate. crystals in your skin that are coming. out. So I don't recommend almond milk.

Also, if you're. a vegan for animals, the number of bees. about a third of all bees die. pollinating almonds every year. Like it. is not a particularly clean product. So. then we say, well, oat milk. Okay, that. is the biggest scam on the planet right. now. It raises your blood sugar as much. as drinking a Coke. It is not a health. food and. it usually has glyphosate and it's high. in phytic acid that sucks minerals out. of your body. And I know you might not. like hearing this, but.

do the math. There's a tablespoon of. oats blended into a bunch of water, and. you spent six bucks on that? Like, are. you dumb? Right? It It's not a good. move. Right? So, what should you drink? There's two kinds of milk that are are. okay. One of them is macadamia milk, which is really expensive and you have. to make it yourself cuz macadamias have. the right kinds of oil in them. But, the. other one that's abundant and healthy is. coconut milk. So, if you're going to do it, use. coconut milk. worst tasting one. I know, right? It is.

the worst tasting one. But, here's the the problem though. If you. say, "Okay, I don't like the taste of. coconut milk." And I'm with you on that. Yeah. Uh so, I'm going. I don't drink any milks, but yes. Yeah, that that's that's really the key. You. don't need to drink a plant milk. It's a. made-up product that you don't have a. need for. But, if you say, "I'm going to do one of. these other things." You're spending a. lot of money, you're getting. anti-nutrients, you're getting mostly. water, and you're usually getting a. toxic burden. So, like, why Why am I. doing this again? The thing that milk.

has that's most important is it has. protein. And the second most important. is it has good fats. When you have a replacement milk, even. coconut milk, there is no protein. So, the coconut yogurt you like, it doesn't. work because it doesn't have protein. So, you have to take that and add whey. protein or add scoops of maybe hemp. protein if you're doing plant-based. But, you've got to add a whole bunch of. protein to it because normal yogurt has. that. Most people tolerate grass-fed. yogurt pretty well. I still don't. I. can't touch cow's milk unless it's ghee.

for the most part. Or I can do some. butter. But, if I was to have, you know, two tablespoons of regular milk, it. messes me up. My gut's wrong. It's just. not right. So, that's an immune. response. So, I just want to tell you. you're not getting protein in your plant. milks, and you're getting stuff you. don't want in your plant milks. So, just. don't do it. You've mentioned canola oil a few times. as well, and I feel like oils has been. obviously in the biohacking world, it's. it's been known for a while, but I think. it's finally coming into like the. forefront of checking the back of.

something and going, "Oh my gosh, wow, this has canola oil, palm oil, you know, the millions of different oils." Walk us. through that because I think that's kind. of still for the majority of people like. an under understood area. Like it's it's. we're just not aware. Unaware is. probably the right word, like. Yeah, we're unaware. We've been taught. first calories are what matter, and it. turns out well, calories do entirely. different things. So, we've tossed that. out from most people have understood. that's different. And then we say, "Okay, well, it's how much fat are you. eating?" But who would imagine that.

different fats do different things in. the body? Oh my gosh, you mean the kind of fat. matters? Oh, and different proteins. So, even saying fat, carbs, and protein, it. doesn't mean anything unless you know. what it is. So, we zoom in on fat. Well, it turns out omega-6 fats, which is. canola, corn, soybeans, safflower, even. grapeseed oil, those are fats that when they enter the. body, they slow your metabolism, and. they cause inflammation cuz they're. unstable fats. They're called polyunsaturated fats.

And when you eat saturated fats, things. like coconut oil, or butter, or ghee, or. most animal fats from like sheep or. something, or from cows, but not from. chickens, then you end up saying, "Oh, the. saturated fats, they can't oxidize cuz. they're stable. So, you eat those, and. they stimulate your metabolism, and they. allow your body to make. testosterone. And to make other hormones that your. body needs, and to make stable cell. membranes. So, we understand the. biochemistry of this, but the food.

companies are saying, well, it's cheaper. to do canola oil, so let's fry our. french fries in those. Canola oil and. its its cousins there, they're a major. cause of diabetes and cancer, which are. skyrocketing because they're unstable, especially when they're heated a lot. And they're pretty much in every. packaged good, right? They are, but. change is coming. So, before about the. 1970s, all french fries were made with. beef tallow because it's a very stable. oil. That's fat from cows. At. McDonald's, that's what they used. And. then they switched to these seed oils, and then all the diseases went through. the roof.

So, we have a problem. Food needs to be. affordable for everyone. One of the. companies that I've invested in and that. I'm backing that I'm most excited about. is called Zero Acre Farms. And I don't. work for them. I did put a small amount. of money in them, but it's because of. the mission. They found a way to use fermentation to. make an oil that is monounsaturated like. olive oil that is stable for frying at. 25% the cost of canola oil for a. restaurant. And they're scaling up to get to that.

price point, but what it's called Zero. Acre because it'll remove millions of. acres of corn and soy from being grown. to squeeze oil out of them. And they can. take sugarcane, just the entire. sugarcane, not sugar, and they can. ferment it and make a healthy edible oil. for humans. And this is going to change. the world's metabolism. It's a huge. thing. So, in the meantime, you can go. to a place that has duck fat fries or. tallow fries, which you wouldn't eat, or. you don't eat fries. Don't eat fried. food at restaurants is a great rule to. live longer. And don't eat the salad. dressing, either. Tell them I want real.

olive oil that's not cut with canola. oil. And I want vinegar or lemon juice. And. you do that, just those two things, nothing fried, and do that, and all of a. sudden, you find you lose weight, your. brain is focused, your body makes more. hormones. It's that big of a deal. I'm. so glad you raised that because that's. the It's It's so It's such a tiny simple. change, but it could save you from so. many different things. Like, I switched. probably. might have been a year now, but I. traveled a lot this year on tour, and. that was hard because my diet on tour. was not as easy to maintain cuz I was in.

different cities every day. And and I didn't have a chef who was. traveling with me or anything like that. And when I'm back here, I've been eating. like a whole foods diet, only eating. plants, not eating anything out of. packages. Oh, yeah. But, you know, not. eating pretty much no packaged food. whatsoever, maybe now and again. And. like that in and of itself has. transferred I used to love a bag of. chips. Even if they were like the healthiest. chips that I could possibly find. I love. a bag of chips. I love you know, I love. a little bit of crackers, biscuits,

whatever, any of this kind of stuff, knick-knacks. And just taking out. packaged foods has had a massive impact. on how I feel. It's kind of. life-changing to do that. And I realize. I missed an oil that should get a shout. out. It's palm oil. Yeah. So, palm oil is saturated, and I would much. rather eat something cooked in palm oil. than canola oil. The issue with palm oil. is mostly environmental. So, there's. deforestation and orangutans and things. like that. But, if you are at the store. and you want to buy some chips or crisps.

or what whatever Yeah, yeah, crisp is. what I would have called it. I've. adapted, bag of chips. We'd call it a. bag of crisps back in London, yes. So, uh you want to eat those, look for. something that's cooked in coconut oil. or palm oil. Mhm. And when you do that, you're going to be much healthier. And. they're going to taste better, and. they're going to be more satisfying. Cuz. when you eat those bad oils, the omega-6. oils, they make you hungry really. quickly, cuz your body says, "I got to. deal with all this inflammation. Have. some sugar." Mhm. So, all of a sudden, you ate a a chip that felt good. And I.

don't generally eat stuff like that. Maybe at a barbecue or something, I'll. bring a bag of those, cuz I have other. friends who eat them, so yeah. I'm not perfect. Yeah. And Dave, I want. to thank you for doing all this. research, because you know, as as I've. got older. and I'm 36 now, and as I get older every. single year, my health goes up and up and up on the. priority list. And I think for me, it's. been so challenging, cuz I grew up, I. would say, with no health education. I'm. benefited by having a wife who's very. disciplined and focused and understands. more. I'm grateful to have my podcast,

where I get to sit down with incredible. people like you, and I get introduced to. books like yours that I have over the. years on longevity and now smarter not. harder and to me I'm just like I want to. get this right to make. getting older easier. Right? Like to get. make getting older like Your goals. Your goals suck. Oh, sorry. That's a bad. goal. I want to make I want to make. getting older easier. No, you don't want to make. I want to stop getting old and I want to.

stay how I am now or better every single. year. better. I want to be better. Let's do. that. Let's do that. It's isn't that a. different vision? It feels different. Right? We have it so built in that we're. going to get old. We are living in a. world today where you can measure as 20. years younger than your calendar age. I want that. I want that. don't have to get old. Yeah. Right? You might age, but the. getting old thing that's that's what we. did in the 70s. Yeah, it made me happy. I was I was I've. been playing a lot of pickleball and. that's been like my my form of exercise.

that I love and I enjoy and it's it's. it's start and stop. It's fast. It's. competitive. I love every part of it. And I just got beat by a 70-year-old a. couple of weeks ago and I loved it cuz I. I just I was like I want to be like you. and I'm so like it was it was double my. age. He destroyed me. Yeah. One person. can do that. And and that brings up. something that that's actually really. important. Yeah, please. Learning from our elders. The reason I can do all this biohacking. is I was so desperate for my health in. my 20s. I started running an anti-aging.

longevity non-profit group near Stanford. University. So I was learning how to. maintain my health from people in their. 80s who could run circles around me. Like that's possible. I saw it and I saw. that in the 90s. And if they could do it back then, we. can do so much better now. Thank you for. calling me out on that. That's good. I. like it. You're allowed to. Yeah, I like that. That's awesome. I learned from my. elders, you learn from the guy in the. pickleball court. You can be that guy. when you're 70. And what's really going to happen when. you're 70 is you can be that guy but. look and feel like you do now. And we're.

building this world for all of us. And. it's really important cuz the birth rate. in all of developed nations is so low. right now. We're not replacing our. population, which means it's our job to. be strong and young forever. Well said. Well said. The book is called Smarter. Not Harder by Dave Asprey, the. biohacker's guide to getting the body. and mind you want. I highly highly. recommend that you grab a copy of this. book. I We have just skimmed over some. of the things that I found interesting, some of the things that I felt were. front of mind for me. I know a lot of. you've been asking questions about these.

things. I see tons of videos on TikTok. sharing all sorts of advice. I felt it. was great to dive into it with Dave. Please go and grab a copy. Go and read. it with your friends. Figure out that. one thing that you're going to focus on. Remember, you don't need to try and do. all of this. Pick that one area that you. want to solve, master it, move on to the. next. Uh I promise you that as much as. it sounds hard and complicated and. difficult, once you start seeing a win. in one area, it's going to have that. domino effect. So, go and grab it. Dave, thank you so much for always coming on.

and being such a You're such a You are. You are an elder, truly, but you don't. look like one, you know, you know, you. don't you don't feel like one, which is. amazing. And I'm very grateful that I. get to have these conversations with you. because I always come away more inspired. and uplifted, and my goals get bigger. and bolder and better. So, I'm glad that. you're not letting me settle. So, thank. you for not letting me settle. I. appreciate it. You're so welcome. I mean. it. I mean it. I appreciate your work so. much. You You are inspiring millions of. people to to be better, and I I see it. every day online, and you're just You're. doing such amazing work, so Yeah. True.

appreciation. Well, thank you. Thank. you, Dave. If you loved this episode, you'll love my interview with Dr. Gabor. Maté on understanding your trauma and. how to heal emotional wounds to start. moving on from the past. Everything in. nature grows only where it's vulnerable. So, a tree doesn't grow where it's hard. and thick, does it? It goes where it's. soft and green and vulnerable.