KRIS JENNER: The TRUTH Behind the Headlines

[music]. [music]. >> Kris Jenner, welcome to On Purpose. I'm. so excited to be here. My kids have come. before me.

>> [laughter]. >> to get the lay of the land and well, you. know, we love you dearly. I'm such a. huge fan. Love listening to the podcast. Love listening to anytime I get the. opportunity to see you online giving a. motivational speech or you know, a. different things that you do. It's so. inspirational to me and I know how much. my girls love you. So, I had to come see. for myself what was going on over here. Well, as I was saying Kris, you and your. family have been so gracious and kind to.

me from day one. I remember the early. days of Khloe sharing something that I'd. done in 2019 or Kendall starting to. follow me and then connecting and then. Kim has just been amazing over the last. couple of years and finally getting to. meet you and I and I want to start with. this because I remember when I came over. for dinner Uh-huh. and everyone. [clears throat] afterwards like what was. it like going to Kris's house for dinner. and like and I was like and it was me, you and Kendall. And I said to everyone. I was like I felt like I was at my. friend's mom's house. I was like all you.

wanted to do was make sure I'd eaten. enough and make sure I was well fed and. taken care of and I was so touched by. just that amazing energy that you have. of making everyone feel at home, making. everyone feel welcome. And whenever I. see you whether it's at a party or an. event or one of our mutual friends'. birthdays that we have just uh. I I always just feel so happy when we're. talking. So, thank you so much truly. It. means the world. >> Oh, well, thank you for having me. It. really means the world to me and I. really enjoyed that night because I got. to know you a little bit more on a. personal level and just heard about what.

you were all about, what your intentions. are with people and how you want to help. people and and bring people together and. in a world where everybody's torn apart, especially in the last decade or so, how. crazy everything seems. I think for us. to have that beacon of of someone we can. look up to to say now hold on, you know, let's look at this a different way and. try to find something peaceful in all of.

it and so for that I appreciate you so. much. Thank you. Well, I want to get to know. the Kris uh uh that that. that I believe we forget existed. Uh. Because today we live in a world where. we're so preoccupied with what everyone. does today, we forget how they became. and how they were created. I wanted to. ask you. what's a childhood memory that you. remember that you feel defines who you. are today? Oh my goodness, a childhood. memory. Well, I think, you know, growing.

up I just I was really raised by my mom. and my grandmother. And two really. strong businesswomen who worked and and. showed me that how powerful that can be. Um just not just out there in the world. to show others, but for. yourself. Like how to how to be somebody. that you were really proud of, but also.

provided for their families and then. taught their children and grandchildren. how to be strong, intelligent, caring, you know, loving moms, but also, you know, you know, working women who really. were of a different generation. You. know, when my mom was. um very young, when she was in her 20s, she had me when she was 20. My. grandmother was 40. and you know, I was just born and so.

what there's always been a 20-year age. difference and then of course 40 years. with my grandmother and they taught me. that working and having a career. was just part of our lifestyle and our. family. And that meant so much to me. because they were so such an. inspiration. And my mom also showed me. what it was like to. you know, get dressed up every day. She. loved fashion. She loved this is how you.

want to present yourself to the world. every day. Like how do you want to look. when you go to. third grade? >> [laughter]. >> You know, or even junior high or high. school. And it really was something when. I look back on it now, I'm so proud of. those two women who raised me because. they showed me what it's like to you. know, have a career and and how to take. care of a home and what it was like to. be married, what it was like to have. children and. I know when I was 16 years old, I really.

realized that's when I knew I wanted to. have a lot of kids and I actually had. the number six in my head at that very. early age. >> Wow, really? >> Uh-huh. I used to think I'm going to. have six kids. And then when I ended up. getting divorced and I had four kids, I. thought boy, was I off a couple of kids. >> [laughter]. >> And then I ended up having two more, but. growing up with with the family I grew. up with, I felt I do feel so blessed to.

have had a very privileged caring, loving home and childhood. And I think. it's something that I'll always be. grateful for and I talk to my mom who's. 91 about it all the time. I think I. always thank her for all the sacrifices. and working late and sometimes, you. know, she wasn't necessarily, you know, at home when I got home from school with. chocolate chip cookies fresh out of the. oven and making me, you know, a a roast beef dinner, but she was there working her ass off,

you know, for for me and my sister. And. for that and then my grandmother, you. know, lived across the street. So, my. grandmother was doing all the. the grandma things and so it really gave. me a good sense of family unity, um. closeness, you know, it fed my. spirituality. because I went to church every Sunday. and was, you know, um had, you know, communion and all the things that you do. as a young girl.

whose mom is taking them to church every. Sunday and teaching you all the things. and it was a huge part of my life. That. that childhood of just being not only I. had so many friends and went to public. school which was down the street. My. mom's priority when I was a child was. always move next to the school because. you can walk to school. So, we were. walking to school, not a care in the. world. We had no seat belts in the cars, driving around in the back of my mom's.

my mom had a convertible T-bird when I. was a little girl and throw us in the. back on a shelf and we'd be bouncing. around and by the way, I did the same. thing with my kids, Kourtney and. Kimberly when I had them and Khloe and. then Robert. Everyone in the back of the. station wagon, no seat belts, just 15. kids in the back section, shoved. together like sardines taking everybody. everywhere. So, so many memories of. things that were so different from I.

remember my first color TV. when and where I lived and what house I. could like imagine what corner of the. room it was in and how exciting that. was. So, you know, I can also remember. getting my first iPhone. You know. >> [laughter]. >> I mean, talk about bizarre, you know, the the contrast of the two. Did you. ever have one of those brick phones, one. of the really big ones? >> 1990. 1990-91. And you'd make a call you thought you. were so cool cruising down the highway. with a brick in your hand, you know, and.

there was no rules on you could talk to. anybody, you could talk on the phone. while you were driving, you could eat a. burger while you were driving down the. street. It's amazing all the different changes. culturally, Yeah. you know, and just. personally. Just all the different. chapters I've had in my life. It's like. every single one is so clear, but if you. take it like the first, you know, one. through 10, 10 through 20, 20 through 30. and just keep going, it's like there's. so many huge magical things that have.

happened in each chapter and I think. that's um the way I look at it now. at my age, you know, you have so much. perspective and it it changes from. decade to decade. So, I I consider. myself really lucky. Yeah, wow, it's. incredible hearing about it because. I love that your mother and your. grandmother were just such big. influences and role models in your life. What what work did they do? What were. they doing at the time? Were they My. grandmother was an accountant and then.

later opened a candle store called the. Candelabra in La Jolla, California. And. my mom opened another candle store. um nearby on Girard Street and they were. entrepreneurs and they got up every. morning at 5:00 and they had a routine. and they had structure and they had. their coffee and had breakfast and got. dressed like to the nines, you know, like gorgeous. Went to work, worked all. day, were so you know, it's very. satisfying to end the day with a full.

day's work under your belt. You feel. like you've really accomplished. something and I knew that feeling. because I lived it my whole life. So, it. was kind of embedded in me that I too. couldn't wait to have a career, start. working. I mean, my first job was I. worked in my grandmother's candle store. and I was the gift wrapper. Oh. And I. would be I was 12 years old. and I loved to go to work with my. grandmother and my mom and but I was at.

my grandmother's store and she'd put me. in the back room and she taught me how. to gift wrap and make bows and I was the. best gift wrapper I could possibly be. And I made the most beautiful bows in my. mind on the planet [laughter]. and she taught me that no matter what. you do. you do the best job you can possibly do. If you if she was the one who I had to. brush my teeth for some reason a lot. when I was young. Every time I had anything to eat, brush. your teeth, brush your teeth but she had.

this rule. that [snorts] if you brushed your teeth. at my grandmother's house then you had. to clean the sink with like Comet or. Ajax or one of those crazy things and I. would scrub that sink like it was like. my only you know polish polish polish. and she would sit there and say you have. the most beautiful hands and you have. she would just give me these mo- the. most sweetest compliments about and then. said you you are really the best sink.

washer in the family. I was like wow. okay. [laughter]. You know so it gave me confidence that. if you really you know she taught taught. me that no matter how big or small the. job just do the best you can and you'll. be praised for it and that just. instilled something in me. Yeah. What a. And then of course I tortured my own. children. Wash the sink the best you you. know they're like oh rolling their eyes. Of course not. >> [laughter]. >> No I'm the best sink scrubber you'll. ever see.

>> Do you do you still wrap Christmas. presents birthday presents the best? >> Every all day. I wrapped one this. morning before I came here. >> No way. >> Yeah I didn't do a bow because it was a. different kind of a package but I think. my kids really we have a big contest. during the holidays and at Christmas. it's like who's got the best wrapping. paper but we don't tell each other what. gift wrap we're doing. We like it to be. a surprise. Well I do Christmas morning and all the. kids gifts are dropped off at my house.

and we all have a section like you know. of there and so we know oh these are all. Kim's gifts because they're wrapped like. well she stopped by my house last year. because she wanted to check out how her. gifts look to make sure they were. positioned perfectly right? I'm like oh. lord. So she comes by and little did I. know she whips out her phone and she. starts doing like we see there a live or. something on Instagram and she shows the. entire world all of our packages so now.

all the sisters and everybody knew and. What you're yeah. Yeah. So she gave it away? Yeah. And then? Yeah so these are just all the pranks I. think we play on each other you know. that constantly all day long. >> So Kim was trying to expose you that was. her. >> so. I think she was being you know she. was being cute. >> [laughter]. >> She's always so great. >> I love it. I remember I remember when we. were speaking when I came over you were. talking about you being an air hostess. as your one of your earliest. >> attendant. Yeah. >> I I went from the candle store and I.

learned so much there and then I worked. at the donut shop by my house in. University City in San Diego. and I would take I my job was to get. there before school and before I had to. get on the bus. to go to high school or junior high. school I guess. And I would take a. a scraper and scrape the glaze off of. the floor that the donuts you know when. they were glazing the donuts there would.

be this glaze all over the floor and I. would scrape the glaze off of the floor. and that was my job every morning before. school. and I then worked at my mom's store. again and then I applied to be a flight. attendant for American Airlines. and. that was an amazing job but looking back. on that I learned so much from that job. So every single thing I did I learned. enormous organizational skills and.

people skills and social intelligence. and you know some other skills like how. to. pour a great cup of coffee and how to. you know serve people and how to. interact with people and personal. service business is incredibly demanding. you know and now I look at all of the. people in that kind of a business a. different way and have so much respect. for that kind of a career but I learned. a lot along the way of how to deal with. people and I think that working from a.

young age and continuing up to this day. I learned a thing or two about um. so many different things that you. wouldn't think would apply to later in. life. >> Tell me some of this. >> You know well just I mean organizational. skills for one and how to keep calendars. and how to be on time and how to be 15. minutes early and how to negotiate and. how to get what you think you want or. deserve from an employer. I I know one.

of my things I talk about is if somebody. says no you're talking to the wrong. person and I learned that if I got a no. from these three people in scheduling. for example with American Airlines then. I would go to another person and you. know try my best charm you know that I. could possibly think of you know of what. were all the reasons why I should fly. this flight to get to LA you know to see. who I wanted to see. and you just. hone different life skills at the.

different things you do at a young age. especially in the workforce and it's. really amazing you never quite know what. or where life is going to lead you and. where it's going to be. the best lesson you ever learned. Yeah. >> And that's what just to expect nothing. but breathe in everything. Like just. like I was so I was like a sponge and I. think I just had to surrender to the.

process if you know what I mean. It's it. was just like I knew instinctively I'm. on a learning journey. and I'm going to get the most out of. these experiences that I possibly could. at the time and I knew that I really did. know that intelligently and in the. moment and I don't know why but I just. knew I had to pay attention. Yeah I. think there's such an important lesson. in what you're saying for everyone who's. listening. I feel like we've done a. disservice.

to a lot of young people today where we. believe. it's all about finding the perfect job. or launching the perfect company. >> Right. And actually from your experience. what you're saying is I learned a lot. from the candle store. I learned a lot. from scraping glaze off the floors. I. learned a lot from being a flight. attendant. It's like each of these. experiences even though they weren't. your perfect job or your ideal life they. were really valuable lessons that have. made you the powerful leader you are. today. >> It developed who I am.

and was at that time and then came to be. all through each decade and the more I. you know went through life and was. knocked down or brought up or had you. know experiences and and and had these. things that I went through I think added. to but I also believe that everything. happens for a reason. I'm very. spiritual. I pray about everything. before I do it and I learned that a lot. about that from. a very young age and it just really.

um. has helped me through so many great. times and so many you know challenging. times. but I also think that I come from a. place now in this decade of great. gratitude. And I think that's what. people don't. um always experience daily. I think it's. been a learning experience for me. Of. course I'm grateful. Of course I have. gratitude for everything that I my life. is this beautiful life with my beautiful.

family and I couldn't ask for more but. to really be conscious of being grateful. has been something I've worked on for. the last few years and try to be more. present because we can be so easily. distracted with and and everybody's. going so fast and I feel like everybody. needs to slow down. You know it's so fast and I I see the. younger generation. but I think the the younger one then the.

next one down from Kendall and Kylie. I. don't remember even what they're. [laughter] called anymore. >> Yeah Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Okay. Alpha. Yeah Alpha. I guess it's Alpha. >> Kendall and Kylie are Gen Z I think just. yeah. Right. I think the Gen Alpha it's like I. I wish you could just slow down and. experience and be in the moment a little. bit more because I always struggled with. that. I always on to the next something. to look forward to. The distractions are everywhere and so. then you don't feel what you're living.

through or going through and we're so. busy taking photos of it or videos of it. we don't sit and feel it or enjoy it. I. remember I went to the sphere the other. night. What did you see? >> Wizard of Oz. Oh well I want to see. that. >> good. And I was there with my girlfriend. and I I now mind you I was. 10 years old or nine year eight. something when I the first time I saw. the Wizard of Oz and or that I. remembered it and enjoyed it.

and I've seen it a hundred thousand. times. So I didn't need to video. anything. I knew what the movie was. about. Like what am I doing? And I. caught myself and I went why am I. filming this whole thing? Like I want to. sit and experience it and that's just a. good example of how I think that a lot. of us go through life is trying to. capture the moment when we can just slow. down and feel the moment. >> Yeah. You know, and that's what I I want. for me and my family because we do get.

very. distracted. Mhm. And it goes by so. quickly in a heartbeat. And I think. that's what when you're my age, you want. to scream that from the top of the. mountain. You know, everybody slow down. and enjoy every second because all of a. sudden it's gone. And. and you know, everybody has to figure. out for themselves, but that I wish, you. know, because I've had all these. different decades to compare it to and. have a different perspective every so. often, every few years.

That's one of my notes to note to self. Just try to. enjoy it and not get distracted by the. noise. Yeah. >> Cuz there's a lot of noise. That's such. a great note and hearing it from your. wisdom and years of experience I can I. can it feels different when I'm sitting. with you and I'm listening to you, it. feels different hearing it from you. And. I was you were making me think about. there's a meditation practice that I. love that I practice when I feel I'm. disturbed by the noise. >> Mhm. And it's really simple. It's called.

54321. And it's let me look at the five things. I can see. So you look around this. memory and you look at the colors and. the textures. >> Oh, I love that. >> shapes and the. the visuals. So Wizard of Oz. And then. four things you can touch. So it could. be your daughter's hand or your mother's. hand. It could be. >> Aw. >> the clothes you're wearing, the texture. that you can feel whether it's smooth or. harsh. Then it's three things you can. hear, two things you can smell and one thing. you can taste. Oh, wow. >> And anytime I've ever done this and I.

was thinking about a particular moment I. went to Bhutan last year. and I was actually teaching this. meditation. I can close my eyes today. and be back in that place in Bhutan. >> Aw, I love that. >> was so real because you took it in and. so yeah, to really to really let it sink. in. It's such a you're absolutely right. Well, you know, I think somebody of my. age. has a different perspective because I. spent, you know, when I was 22 years. old, I got married and 23.

had Kourtney. and you know, the rest is history, but I. there were no cell phones. Mhm. There. wasn't a computer. There wasn't a. laptop. There wasn't an iPad. There. wasn't music on a little box. There. wasn't If you wanted to talk to somebody. on the phone, you had to walk into the. kitchen and dial a plastic telephone. And if you wanted to know what was at. the movies, you dialed a number, like. whatever it was, and you found out what. was playing at the movies. And if you.

wanted to know what time it was, you. dialed, think it was 5551212. And if that's right, I will. be so excited. >> [laughter]. >> about my memory. But it was, you know, a. different time. >> Mhm. And today with so many. things that just supply instant. gratification, it's extremely. seductive. And I think that.

it's it's. something like I think about it. all the time and I think what a. different world, but yet such progress, such amazing the the world we live in is. wild and amazing. I mean, when I was a. young girl, a little girl, I used to. watch The Jetsons. >> Mhm. I remember The Jetsons. >> of remember that and it was sort of. intimating that by the year 2020 we. would be flying in cars around, you. know, the city. >> Yeah. You know, we wouldn't even have. cars that were on the road anymore. And.

so, you know, we're almost there. Yeah, almost [laughter] almost. But it, you. know, we used to imagine this modern. world and here we are. So it's very. exciting. Um. but you never know what's going to. happen next. I mean, I I. I worry a little bit. I worry a lot. about my grandchildren and social media. That scares me a bit because it can be. so dark. And I really want them to have the best. parts of anything. I mean, in life.

there's good and bad, but in this case, you know, I worry about that. I just. want them to and I think their moms, you. know, all my kids are really responsible. about trying to. control screen time and all of that, but. it's different. It's a different place. Yeah, you're. >> a lot of noise. Absolutely. You're. approaching your 70th birthday. >> Yeah. Which is so exciting. >> Uh-huh. And what an incredible. milestone. What's this chapter of your. life called? If you could name it, what. would it be called?

>> Oh my goodness. The best. The best. chapter. Mhm. The best I'm happy to be. here and to really have this beautiful. family and. just enjoy the ride because like I said, just to be present at at this time and. place. I did learn a lot from my. family, from my grandmother and my mom. who both worked until they were in their. 80s. And I saw. >> Wow. Yeah.

>> That's incredible. >> And my mom often says, she retired when. she was 82 and she often says that. really kept her. so purposeful. And we all want to find. that life of purpose. >> Mhm. But for her, it gave her great. purpose and it great gave her great joy. Mhm. And she was so satisfied with the. work she did every day and got to, you. know, I think when somebody has. structure and has a schedule and has. something to look forward to and has.

something like that in their life and. feels needed and wanted. >> and useful. >> and useful. And that's a very good feeling and I. think that's that's the road I'm going. to go down. I just want to, you know, be. there. >> anytime Never. Yeah. Never. No. I love. what I do and I often say, um this. wouldn't be as easy without my entire. family and doing what we do together.

because. um you know, there's a lot of people out. there that have um. you know, a job in entertainment or in. the media or whatever it is and they um. have a big career and they do it by. themselves and they're the only one in. their family who has that kind of a. career that kind of that kind of a job. And I thought how lonely it would be if. there was just one of us. >> Yeah. It would be so hard. And so I feel. super blessed that.

I have this incredibly. fabulous family and all this love and. support and it's it makes it. really. a very sweet life. Yeah. What a what a. what a special special. >> Very special. >> achievement to have that. How have you. you know, one thing I've noticed. spending time with all of you and. having, as I said earlier, Kim, Khloe, and Kendall have all sat in this chair. preparing it for you. There's there's such a love between. everyone in the family. And of course,

there's the fun of the. uh what's the right word? The fun of the. teasing each other and the banter. But. but at the core of it it's it's so. evident that there's love and it's real. and it's and it's and it's genuine. How do you create a family in which. competition isn't a negative thing. Uh. growth is everyone's focus because I. think what we see across the world is. you know, you have six children, but. it's like people may have two and then. you have one person who really ambitious.

and driven and one person who just wants. to hide away. Whereas you've got a. family of people who are all ambitious. in different ways. They all have their. own fascinations, their own passions and. they're pursuing it Mhm. >> of their ability, which is such a. beautiful thing to see. How how do you. create that energy? What what does that. require? I think first of all, when they. were very young, I think they learned so. much from the examples set by their dad. or just myself in different areas, their. stepdad, their family, their friends.

And we've always had a huge group of. family friends and I think they watch. and had great examples set before them. But I think that one of my biggest and. strongest desires and my path to um. the success that they've had is just. really helping them along the way. identify. what. was really important to them and they. were passionate about. And we threw a. lot of spaghetti at the wall, believe.

me. It was it was crazy. But when they. finally found their their. destiny, their passion, their the. opportunities that came their way that. they wanted to embrace and were so happy. about, I you just feel when something's. right. And that that makes me really. happy. Every time I felt like somebody. found their their their thing, you know, their their passion was was.

that strong that they were able to. really make this something they wanted. to focus on and the determination, the. energy they put into it, their work. ethic is second to none. And they would get up with this. you know, passion every day, you know, getting up at 5:00 and you know, getting. into the gym and taking care of their. their health and their well-being and. then at the same time having kids, raising children, getting to work. You.

know, it's just they all have such focus. and determination, but they also have. great structure. They're organized. And. then they learn how to find their peace. at the same time, which I think is. really important. And I think that's. something that. Kourtney's really good at that and she's. taught the rest of us, you know, like. wait a second, you know, there's you've. got to, you know, find the peace in all. of it, too, and protect your soul. Yeah.

>> You know, so that's been really really. important. I think it's just working. together, encouraging one another, and. when someone is successful, we're all so. excited for that person's success, no. matter how it comes. It could be the. smallest little, you know, not. everything moves a needle, and it can be. the smallest little win, and we get. really happy for each other. Like last. night when I was blonde, all of my kids. this morning were screaming, "Mom!" And.

then Kim goes, "Did you dye your hair?". And I said, "Yes." Of course I didn't. dye my hair, but I had her going for a. while. Yeah, we were we were trying to. figure out this morning whether we're. going to get blonde hair or black hair. >> Yeah. So, it's fun to. work together, it's fun to, you know, go through challenges. together. Mhm. It's awful to go through. really bad times together, but we're. together, so it's important. And it's, you know, when we get to celebrate each.

other. over the smallest things or the biggest. things, I think the kids are just happy. for each other. And there really isn't. any jealousy, which makes me really. proud. You know, that and they're very vocal. and loud when something bugs them or. when something needs to be said, don't. you worry, they're. they're my loudest voice at times in my. head. But we all I think we're just all happy.

for one another, and we know we're doing. this together. It's somebody's success. in my family is sort of a halo effect. I. feel like it is. good for everyone, and, you know, especially business-wise, but it's just. really good for all of us personally. because we get to see each other grow. and thrive and evolve and and. elevate different things. Like we'll get. notes to each other, "Okay, well, this. was great, but if you only did this, it. would be so much better." So, everybody,

you know, is a. backseat driver. Yeah. Or a what what do. you call it? Sideline quarterback. Everybody's [laughter]. weighing in on everybody else's stuff, so it's fun. It makes it a We're our own. little, you know, we have I've 13. grandchildren. Imagine, that's a lot of humans, and we. have an amazing little, you know, bubble that we live in and. that we are so dedicated to one another. and very loyal and looking for that.

peace that we can surround ourselves. with when we can. with family time. Yeah, I just want to. acknowledge how how hard it is to do. that. It's It's hard. >> It's so hard to be able to create a. non-competitive, non-envious, non-jealous family space system. I think. for It's it's not easy, and. whether it's happened naturally because. of all these great values or whether. it's happened through hardship, it's. probably the most significant. achievement that one could ever have is.

It's lovely. It really is lovely, and I. I'm so proud of them for being there. And if somebody gets into trouble or. somebody, you know, needs help with. anything, everyone is right there to. jump in and make it okay. And. it's it's interesting that, you know, they're very very loyal and very. protective, and they surround each other. with a lot of love. And the fact that. they're also amazing parents.

is the biggest gift. I watch them as. um my son has a daughter, and um. everyone except for Kendall has a, you. know, has a son or a daughter or both. And they're amazing parents, and I often. sit and tell them I'll sit and watch. Kylie. um or Khloe and all of them, Kim, Rob, um Courtney, but I watch them with their. kids, and I just take it all in, and I.

say, "God, I wish I would have been this. good as a parent. >> With you? with you. Yeah. Because I feel. like they take it to another level. I've. never seen anything so amazing literally. in my life. I talk to my mom about it. all the time. I go, "Can you believe the. way they do this and that and the. other?" And my mom and I are in awe of. what great parents they are. And I think. they are. You know, people ask me all the time, "How do we. keep our kids as close or how do I?" And.

I think it's just. the time you spend. and what you focus on and the way that. you, you know, spend time with your kids. and and show them that you're never. going to. you know, I didn't have kids to on their. 18th birthday kick them out of the. house. My girlfriend used to say, "You're too nice, you know, you're not. their friend, you're their mother." And. I looked at her and I said, "Oh, no, I'm. their friend.".

Because they're going to be 18 one day, and I'm not going to be left out of this. big, beautiful life that, you know, that. I want to have with them. How do you. love someone that you don't agree with? How do you love someone that you have. had something with that didn't work out? And by the way, I'm saying this because. I've had private conversations with you. where you've talked to me about these. things, and I'm blown away by it. So, like, how do you love someone even when. something hasn't worked out the way you. want it to? Right. Um. >> Cuz I know it's deep for you, that's why. I'm asking. >> Yeah.

I think. you start with communication. And I think that's where you have to. start to really feel and understand. I'm crying. Sorry. >> [gasps]. >> I don't know why I'm emotional about. this, but I think you just have to. understand where somebody's coming from. Sorry, Jay. Um.

Okay. Is there a tissue, you guys? Um. Okay. I think. I don't know why that hit so hard, but I. think communication, I think. compassion. is key into really feeling what somebody. might be going through. Even though you. don't agree with them, if you once loved. them, then. love is love, you know? And I always.

fall in love with people, and then if. they disappoint you, it Sorry, I don't know why I'm crying. See what I said? It's right there under. the surface. Sometimes you just get me. But I think communication is I preach. communication. And I think if you if. somebody's misunderstood, I get on a soapbox sometimes to try to. say, "No, no, no, you you just don't. understand, you know, this didn't happen. like this." And they really didn't mean. it like this or, you know, I'm always.

the one. who tries and communicates that, but I. think. God, what's wrong with me? But I also think that compassion, if you don't have an open heart and. you're stuck with trying. to. understand someone, you. you will be lost forever until you can. try and see.

and forgive. And I think if people can't. come from a place of forgiveness, then they'll be stuck forever. You know, you have to be open to understanding. what someone else is truly all about. and. why. I stand up for people who are. the underdog at times. It makes me. really sad that they're the underdog, and I feel like some people get really. misunderstood.

And I think that we all need to stand up. for each other, especially when we need it the most. And. that comes from a conversation, it comes. from a communication, it comes from a. compassion, and it comes from. forgiveness. And if you can't learn to forgive. someone, whether it's their behavior, their words, their actions, you know, I'm a I think my kids tell me all the. time I'm I'm a very forgiving person. They go, "Mom, you're it's wild. You're. just like this person treated you this. way or that way, or you experienced this.

with this person, and I try to see where. it came from. What is the root of this? Why are they. acting this way?" And then again, if I. can't change it, I can't control it. I can't control. somebody else or their actions, right? You can't control other people. So, you know, you have to. either ignore it, fight for it, help explain it, help communicate it,

and forgive it. >> [clears throat]. >> I don't know I I don't know how else. That's how I live my life. And if. somebody, you know, a lot of people are struggling, and there's a lot of. You know, it's it's. Sorry, just need a second.

>> I'm sorry. Um. Okay. So, there. are a lot of people out there. who struggle with their mental health. And we don't know sometimes what the. difference is because we're not inside. their brain or their body. So, who are we to say, you know, that. somebody's not really. struggling, sick, you know, having a hard time. And.

there's so much of that. Um not really. immediate answers and help for. everybody. You know, when you can't figure it out. sometimes, you think, "How do How does. everybody deal with this?". You know, so that's I don't know. I I. have a lot of compassion for people that. are. in a family where there's mental health. issues. It makes me really sad. >> Mhm. Yeah, it's something. definitely trying to support and help. And I'm glad you raised it here because. it's Oh, it makes me I mean, I.

sometimes I, you know, hear about people. or you know, hear about what somebody's. going through. And I literally don't. even know them and I'm in tears. And it it just breaks my heart. because of the situation right now that. we're in. Mhm. And I think we make it. worse for one another, you know, the criticism, the negativity. online and um the struggle that a lot of.

people have and. the amount of. suicide for young people. >> Yeah. I mean, it it's truly. heartbreaking. And I hear stories and it. just really is so upsetting. And that. it, you know, it. I I. struggle with that in my heart because I. just wish there was more. that we all could do just to love each. other and be there for each other. And. maybe there was a way. that.

we could help in a bigger way. Mhm. You. know, it's very confusing. Yeah. Yeah, I. we just I literally just had the head of. suicide from Harvard on the show. Really? Yeah, I just interviewed him. maybe a month ago. >> Oh, wow. >> show and it was. so illuminating to hear just how much. help people with mental health or. suicidal thoughts are even seeking. But even in that, just yeah, just how. like how hard it is and how heavy it is. And I think. >> Heavy. It's so it's heavy in my heart.

And I don't have an immediate, you know, child or or family member that's. struggling with that at the moment. And. I. I think about it for some reason a great. deal as if, you know, maybe there's some. way to. There's a lot of things, a lot of issues. that I. right now I'm in the process of. focusing on and getting more information. on. One of them is dementia and.

Alzheimer's. And that's why I love Dr. Amen so much because he's such an. educator. Absolutely. But the mental. health thing is very. confusing to me. because it's so I don't feel like at my. in the chapter I'm in in my life right. now that I've ever experienced this. volume. of people that are hurting and. struggling. And yeah, is it probably. because our communication is enhanced.

with being able to see it all on the. internet and, you know, all of that? But. it's still a lot. Mhm. And it does get. very heavy. Mhm. And. it. heavy in my heart. It does. I. >> Yeah, we should definitely offline about. that to see Yeah. You know, it's. definitely I feel the same way. It's why. I invited Matthew Nock from Harvard on. the show. >> you did that. >> I couldn't agree with you more. I was. just hearing so many stories and. learning of so many people. And he told.

me that his friend committed suicide. even when he knew his friend was the. head of No. >> Yeah, was studying that. Like so And And. he said, "I just didn't know. Like we. just didn't know. No one knew.". >> No one knows. >> No one knows. And so That's what the the. tragic part of it is. And there's been. so many times when I mean, even, you know, parents of my, you know, kids'. friends or, you know, there's always one. degree of separation. Um it's you know, every single person.

has Mhm. something like that that or. they know about it, they've heard about. it, a close friend happened or right in. their own family. And it's devastating. Mhm. I know people that have lost. people close to them and there's just no. um. closure there for a lot of people. But. how they get to that place is. really a struggle. Yeah. Boy, can we. talk about something happy? How did we. get here? I'm [laughter] crying. I'm.

hysterical. I'm a mess. Let's talk about Disneyland. or something. Are you a Disney fan? Oh. my god, yes. >> You know, it's the happiest place on. earth in my heart. I fully drank the. Kool-Aid. >> Definitely is. I went last week with. Kourtney. Oh, yeah. Small World, Pirates of the Caribbean, and the. Haunted Mansion cuz they just opened it. for Yeah. And I go to Disney, I work for Disney. >> [laughter]. >> I want to be Yeah. Snow White. Yeah, all of it. I love it. Yeah, I'm.

I'm excited to go to the Epic Universe. in Universal. Oh, yes. >> They just opened the They opened it with. the Harry the new Harry Potter world and. all the rest of. >> Wait, is that Disney? That's not Disney. >> No, it's Universal. It's Universal. It's. theme park world. >> Oh, that's your That's your thing. >> that's my thing. Have you been to the. Star Wars ride at Disneyland? >> good. Oh, that's great. >> too. Yeah, it's cool. >> Insane. It's amazing. So. Oh, there you. go. See, we have something else in. common. >> We do. I I'm I'm completely. I'm completely drank the Kool-Aid on.

Disney. Yeah, me, too. >> the happiest place. >> Every day. Happiest place on earth. Yes, sir. I love it. >> Yes, sir. Kris, when we've spoken. offline, I've always been blown away by. how you've When you keep talking about. family, I think people think, "Oh, yeah, they're six kids." Right. But to you, the family is even your kids' exes, right? >> Yes. >> People. Like it grows even if one of. your children has been through something. really difficult with their partner or. an ex-partner, Mhm. you still love them. as part of the unit and the family. I.

do. And that is incredible. Talk to me. about how you expand that radius of care. and love. First of all, I believe in my. heart and in my soul, love is love. And. I fall in love with people and have. lives and years spent with their. partners or their boyfriends or their. husbands and have all these memories and. travels and Christmas mornings and. celebrations and birthdays and all the.

fun, the laughter, the joy, the tears, the babies. These are. in most cases the. fathers of my grandchildren. And. I love these men. And that love doesn't. go away when. we experience really challenging times. with them. It just doesn't turn off like. that for me. And I think that goes back. to communication, um.

compassion, forgiveness, and moving through that so you can get. to a place where they know they can. always come to me. Every one of my kids'. exes know that they have an open door. And I think that's how I was with my. kids when they were little and I got a. divorce. and I got married to Bruce. And when that happened, Robert knew that. he could come walking in that back It. took a couple years.

But it was what I had learned from. people that were in my life in previous. years. I saw the co-parenting skills. that other couples um. two peop- two couples in particular, but. these two couples handled their. experience of how they loved their kids. It was all about the kids because if you. sit and berate your partner. over and over and over again to the kids. or your ex-partner, your ex-boyfriend, your ex-husband, your ex you know, it's.

their dad or it's their stepdad or the. You can't do that. It really creates so. much damage psychologically, emotionally, physically, spiritually, all of it. It it. Children don't know how to process that. kind of It's a grief. It's a separation. So, my goal with my children was always. their dad comes for Christmas morning. and we spend New Year's Eve together and. birthdays and celebrations.

Robert Kardashian came to Kendall and. Kylie's first birthdays. And he was. there for every celebration. And they. called him Uncle Robert. And he walked. through that back door whenever he. wanted knowing there would be dinner on. the table at 6:00 and he was always. welcome. And it's the same way I now treat. all of my kids' exes, which a lot of. people don't understand because if they. treated them badly, but we've all dealt. with those issues internally and. privately. And we don't need to.

talk about these things anymore. It's. been done. It's dealt with. We've done. it. We've talked about it. We all know. what happened. You know, we've had it on. the show or whatever's happened in our. lives. Now it's time. to grow the up, be mature. And I love who I've loved and I don't. like what they've done. No, I don't. But. it doesn't make the love get any less.

overnight. And I'm there for. them always. And these are the fathers. of my grandchildren. What would my. grandkids think, you know, 20 years from. now. if their grandmother treated their dad. poorly, or I wasn't loving and kind and. compassionate and forgiving. So, I teach. my kids forgiveness. It's one of the. biggest lessons. that I can teach them. To forgive somebody who's treated you. badly. And. and move on. You may not.

completely. forget, but you need to forgive. You. need to let it go. It's not good for. your soul. It's too much pressure on. your heart, you know, and I do love them and I do. love who they are and I love their. families. It's like with Travis Scott. I'm close to Travis. and I love his mom and his dad and his. sister and his brother. Um. I they're family to us.

And we share celebrations together and. same with Tristan who comes walking in. the back door and has, you know, "Hey, Mom, what's up?" you know, I'm like, "Okay." So, they're always around and. they and we embrace them. You said that before you start. something, you pray. I do. I'm wondering. what what is that prayer? It's, "Dear God, please, you know, surround me with your angels if I'm. doing something that's dangerous or and. when I go to bed at night and just help.

me. to. see that what you want me to see and be. the. the person that I need to be today and. just help me through these difficult. times or I come to God in my prayers. with lots of gratitude and thankfulness. for the life that I have or just the. ability to help somebody else because I. think giving back is so important. And. my girls and I talk a lot about that and. just that we've been given so much.

And to whom much is given, you know, much is required. And that to me is something that I was. taught very young and I just pray about. safety. I pray about peace not only in my heart, but in the world. I pray about my family. constantly and their safety and the. grandkids and, you know, all the things. And I really. it's important to me to.

calm myself before something important. and really. think about it and be thoughtful about. it and be prayerful about it and then be. grateful for it. It's beautiful. Thank. you for sharing that with us. That's my. routine every day, but I I wake up with. a prayer, "Thank you for waking me up. Thank you for giving me another. beautiful day. Show me how you want me. to spend my time today and help me.

through these 75,000 meetings and Zooms. I have to do. [laughter]. And then thank you for protecting me. tonight when I go to sleep and bringing. me some peace. and so I can recharge and be there for. somebody else. Because if you don't. get yourself ready for and get that. energy going for the next day, you're. going to your tank is going to be empty. And I can't really run on an empty tank. Yeah, well said.

Well said. Is there is there a truth. that you feel or a lesson. Is there a lesson, Kourtney, you feel. life has had to teach you the hard way? I think that the challenges are growth. I think. um. when I go through something that's. really hard, I have to remember to be. grateful for it. And I have to remember. that it's part of the process and it's. what got me here. Because by the way, if. you just started your adult life at 18.

and just got everything you wanted, I think that it would be. a very different life. It would be full. it would be. harder at the end of the day, but I love. the things that I I wouldn't change. anything that I've been through because. it's taught me so much. So many things. in my life, decades worth of things, you know, that you think back and I. think, "What were the hardest the. hardest times?" You know, and those are. the times that really, I think for me. personally, I experienced the most.

growth as a person. And believe me, I've. made so many mistakes and I've, you. know, I'm not always right and I I have. to apologize to somebody at, you know, all the time if I'm, you know, I'm I'm. human and I'm definitely not perfect and. I'm flawed, but I just try to learn. something a little bit. different and be a little bit better. every day. What's what's a lesson that you feel.

you're really realizing right now in. your 70s that's kind of at the forefront. of your mind, a principle or a lesson. that There's probably a couple. I'm. trying to be more patient. I'm trying. not to lose my temper over things that. don't matter and that I can't control. Because I know that I have a purpose. I. know that I have this beautiful life and. this beautiful family. So, just relax. when you can't control something, who cares? It's not going to change.

anything. Me getting upset. isn't going to change a thing. I can renegotiate. I can talk to. somebody calmly. I can try to deal with. things that the challenges that come up. day-to-day. Um and if I can't control. it, I've got to let it go. I've got to. say to myself, "Okay." You know, it's. funny. Do you know Dr. Amen? Yeah, of. course. Yeah, he's been on the show four. or five times. >> Oh, I love him so much. So, I talk to. him from time to time and he said,

"What's on your mind today?" And I said, "You know what's on my mind is I keep. thinking I I'm a complainer and I've my. daughter Khloe has really brought this. to my mind top of mind and said, 'Mom, you've got to stop complaining about. nothing.'. Like you have the most beautiful life.". And I go, "I know, you're right. I'm a. control freak.". So, when you're a control freak, like my. idea of a great Saturday afternoon is. rearranging my drawers. It It gives me. peace. It helps my brain. It helps me to.

get or- I'm a very organized girl. So, to reorganize everything just to. I don't know, blow off some steam, helps me to relax. It's my form of zen. So, when I can't control something, it I get annoyed. Like the littlest. things. Like, "Why did that person do. Like that doesn't even make any sense.". So, common sense isn't very common as we. all know, right? So, I always say that. And so, Dr. Amen. said, "I'm going to give you the rule of.

12. It goes, you have to wait until. something goes wrong for the 12th time. and then you can let loose.". And I said, "Oh, I love that." So, of. course, somebody forgets a bag. So, we. have to wait, you know, whatever, half. hour for somebody go back, drive. somewhere, da da da. Then somebody. forgot a passport. >> [laughter]. >> Then, you know, it went like that for a. while, right? And one by one, "Okay, number one." And I just smiled, you know, tried to breathe. Number two,

"Okay, I'm going to distract myself. I'll get on Instagram or something.". Right? Then number three, you know, and. I kept trying to distract myself from. being cranky. Got to number 12. And I thought, "Okay, next one, I I'm. going to, you know, shit's going to hit the fan.". And of course, number 13 came and I just. went, "Okay.". And it really helped to. >> [laughter]. >> put me in my place a little bit. Like, "Nothing's this serious. Like, why are.

you complaining? What do you have to. complain about?". And then just trying to find. your peace, inner peace, where you feel. like we've all had days. I know. everybody's had the day. that they wake up and they realize. today's such a great day. Like everything's going right. My. family's healthy. I have money in the. bank. I can pay the rent. I, you know, I. this relationship is going really well. and I have lots of friends and.

everything's just coming up roses. And that's the feeling that. I love to have and recognize when it. comes along. So, that feeling of. gratitude and gratification and just. thankfulness. Like, thank you, God, for. all of these wonderful things, but it's. not just about oodles and oodles of. blessings. It's about a feeling. Do you know what I mean? It's about. really recognizing how special that is.

and sometimes it doesn't come along. every single day. No. So, you have to. appreciate it. Yeah, you've got to look. for it. You've got to find that feeling. >> You do. Yeah, you've got to find that. feeling. >> to find that feeling and then really. kind of. just, you know, let it sink in. Yeah, you're. reminding me there's a tool that I love. It's called the perspective scale. And. so, if you looked at your life from zero. to 10, zero is the way you feel when you. wake up and everything's amazing. And 10 is.

you wake up and the worst thing possible. could happen or you're all the opposite. >> Right. Now, if you looked at the today's. problem of someone forgetting their bag. to the airport, >> Yeah. it's like a two on that list because. compared to the worst day ever, it's. nothing. But. >> Right. when you don't have that. perspective, everything's a 10. Right. Everything feels like a 10. Like the. meeting that fell through, the person. who didn't show up, the the text you got. that you didn't want. It's like. everything's a nine or a 10 and when you. look at it in perspective, you go, "Oh, actually that's just a one." That's a. one. It's a two. Yeah. It's a you know.

what it is and it just lets you what. you're saying. Relax. You can't control. it. What are we going to do? Just get. ourself all twirled up. Yeah. No, I. can't do that anymore. I'm too I want to. protect my peace. And that's part of. what I talked to Dr. Amen about is. protecting my peace. And just showing more kindness and more. generosity and more just being the kind. of person like my grandmother used to. say, you better treat others the way you. want others to treat, you know. Yeah.

And so, of course, and also she always. said, "If you don't have something nice. to say, don't say anything at all." And that's. what I want to plaster across my. Instagram page. [laughter]. Absolutely. >> a different world. >> It's a great rule. Yeah. It's a great. rule. Yeah. >> still hold true all of these decades. later. >> all these cliches. Yeah. They all do. Absolutely. I know, I. have a lot of them and. No, I mean, if you know, you can lead a. horse to water, but you can't make it. drink. I mean, all those silly ones and.

my kids make fun of me all the time, but. Cuz you say it to them? >> I'm old-fashioned. Yeah. >> what I was about to say. Just so just. everyone knows how organized Kris is. She came here 35 minutes early today. Like 35 minutes early. No one does that. And Kendall, Kim, and Khloe never been. late to the podcast, never been late to. an event. And then like it's just. everyone operates so professionally. There's so much respect for everyone. else's time and energy. >> Yes. Yeah, and it's and it comes from. that place. It's not just a checkbox. It's like whenever I've spent time with.

anyone, whether it's with Kim and Khloe. in India or, you know, whatever it may. be, everyone's always on time and the. energy's right. Everyone's excited and. there's Excited to be there. >> Excited to be there. Yeah. >> And and to be I love the girls because. they love to build other people up. >> Mhm. And they have this great group of. friends and to look at these humans that. we, you know, I've you know, just. just so very proud of the women and the. man that they become because they make. me so happy and they have, you know,

very happy lives because they have each. other. I mean, not everybody can have six kids, but. >> [laughter]. >> it's a lot of people. raised, but it certainly it makes for a. a really, you know, amazing family. How did you. make sure you got to know them all. individually and intimately. in a way that you could guide them. towards their passions and help them. find it because that's such an. individual process. It's it's such a. personal thing. It's I think with the.

first four, I was lucky enough to not be. working through the pregnancies or. raising them when they were small. And I took that time. And then. later when I was, you know, I. really came into this. growth and and. you know, television success when I was. 52.

when we started our show. Wow, I think. you don't realize that. >> I know. And people, by the way, thought. that we just sort of appeared out of. nowhere. And I had a life for a couple. decades, several decades, that I was. very immersed in Hollywood and knew. everybody and had this beautiful life. with Robert and then. Bruce at the time and, you know, just. had this glorious. you know, life together with my kids and.

really experienced so much with them. from when they were babies and they were. always doing things and in sports and we. went to everything and, you know, it was. just a typical childhood for them that. they were involved in everything and we. were right there, you know, as, you. know, having a front row seat to their. childhoods. And that makes a big difference, you. know, when you're just all in 1,000%. I. had some friends who.

didn't experience what I experienced and. the difference in the outcome in how. their kids were raised versus, you know, there are differences. It's like and. it's not just about somebody who throws. themselves into you know, one of their. kids. It's definitely how. a child's makeup is. You know, you know, they're individuals, but what was so. fascinating for me. was how different every every single. child was. Like I had my first baby and.

you don't know what to expect with. number two. One is like one, two is like. 20. for me. That's how it was for me. And it. was very overwhelming to have two. And I. thought, "Oh, what's one more?" You. know, and then it just kept going. But I. think what you don't expect and what. people would say to me at the time, people that were my age but didn't have. any kids or one kid, and they would say, "Wow, how are they so different?" And. they were just obviously had their own,

you know, amazing personalities and. all the things that come with that and. just learned each one little by little. Yeah. And just were part of each. other's, you know, obviously DNA, but it truly. like. I they're just the biggest part of my. heart. But it's it's so interesting to hear. that that. having that time with each of them and. having that quality time in those early. days and I assume you'd build up the.

skills by the time you had Kendall and. Kylie. >> Yeah, you had you had a break. >> like an 8-year break in there. And so, when I had Kendall, not only had the. world changed and the, you know, I mean, there was a time, I mean, I had good. solid decade when I had like three high. chairs lined up and, you know, strollers. and two car seats and and then I went. through. um a stage of having a little bit of a. break with being pregnant and then. started all over again and everything.

changed. There were telephones, there. were computers. It was huge, a huge. change in how everything worked. And 1995 came along and Kendall was born. and then I really had another chance at. sort of continuing my family with. Kendall and Kylie and thought, "Oh, now. we need another one because you don't. want Kendall to grow up kind. [clears throat] of so far apart in the. gap." So, we had another one and Khloe.

was like my angel because Khloe really. helped me. She was 10 maybe or 11 and. she really helped me with Kendall and. Kylie because now at this point I've got. a full-time job. And I've got to figure. out how to keep the lights on, truly. And I thought, "Oh, this is like so from. morning till night working and trying to. make it, you know, a career." Um was.

very interesting and that little Khloe. was like a little mama's helper. with everything with feeding and bath. time and, you know, [clears throat]. helped me babysit on the weekends. I was. in the house. I was in my office, but, you know, if I said, "You guys play out. here, I'll be right, you know." But was. such a great set of hands and such a she. gave everything to those girls. >> Wow. And really helped me with that. So, that I'll always be grateful for. >> natural for her. Like that was just. natural. That was her. Right. Maternal.

energy that she had. >> I could have called Khloe at 10 years. old and said, "We're having folks for. dinner tonight. Can you just throw a on. a little something for dinner and set. the table for eight, 10 people?" She. would have. >> [laughter]. >> nailed it. I mean, she was something. else. She still is. She's just. remarkable, that kid. But, yeah. So, you. know, if I hadn't had the older ones. to really help me with the younger ones, it would have been a lot more difficult. But that's what great big families are.

so That's why they're so special. >> you're promoting big families, Kris. That's the that's the energy you're. putting out. >> Get out there and have some kids. Yeah, that's what we need. It seems so thoughtful though. Like you. were like, "All right, I don't want. Kendall to be the last one who's left. alone and so we'll have another one.". Like there's there's so much thought. It's intentional. >> It was. Very intentional. Yeah. I didn't. want somebody to be left without their. Like it was Kourtney and Kimberly and. then it was Khloe and Rob who are still.

connected at the hip. They're both all. of them. And then it's Kendall and. Kylie. Yeah. So, they all had their. little I had different litters. But [laughter] I. they had different pals, you know. It. was it's really and I just I felt really. good about that. Yeah. I love that. What's let's let's go through the kids. now. One thing that each of them have. taught you. Okay. Kourtney taught me. probably. how to be a mom. Mhm. She was my.

firstborn and she was, you know, she gave me a run for my money. because she was very colicky. And um. that was interesting and very. challenging for, you know, those long. nights and all of that. So, that was. like, "Oh, okay. This is what it's like. Okay." And you would do anything to make. her. life and and have her feel better. And, you know, this little tiny thing that. was, you know, really had an upset tummy.

for 9 months at least. And then I wanted. to do it again. Kim taught me. multitasking. >> [laughter]. >> And Khloe taught me. um. probably. Oh, I mean, they all taught me love. But. Khloe united everybody and taught me a. lot about how. grateful. I was for humor because she was so. funny. And then.

um. Rob. the same. Rob was just a joy, but he was. the boy, you know, Robert Kardashian Sr. came from a big Armenian family and they. were praying for a boy from day one. So, you know, it was always. you know, I hope it's the boy, I hope. it's the boy and it's going to be Robert. Jr., blah blah blah. And I was like, "Okay, it's a girl, you know, another. girl, another girl." And um.

and so when Robert was born, it was like. all the Armenians were rejoicing. They. were my [laughter] mother and. father-in-law were so happy and all. their friends and I remember she ran to. the hospital with this beautiful broach. diamond broach that she gave me and I. was, you know, it was. it's so joyful and it was like. New Year's Eve, you know, and it was a. celebration. So, that was really special. and it taught me a lot about their.

culture. and how to celebrate on another level. and all of the experiences that because. suddenly when Robert was born, the. Armenian side of my in-laws really. kicked in over at my house. You know, it's like, "We're going to make, you. know, these Armenian meals and I'm going. to show and we trying to teach the kids. to speak a little Armenian.". Which, you know, didn't go that far. >> [laughter]. >> They're not fluent or anything, but it. was a lot of fun to learn about that and.

finally to have the boy that they had. been hoping for for all that time. And. then um. so that was joyful. He taught me a lot. about um. what that meant and what, you know, having probably what they considered, you know, more of the head of the family. because I had a son and what that was. like. That was just such a beautiful. experience to have a boy. And then. Kendall I think taught me a lot about.

patience and serenity because I had two. miscarriages before I had Kendall. And that taught me a lot because you. think you're invincible, I'm just going. to pop out another baby and then you. don't and it becomes a little. a bit of a. a struggle. Um but when she came, you. know, it was just so amazing to and it. made me realize how appreciation. I think a lot of that lesson, too, was.

how much I appreciated and then sat in. awe of all the other times I had done it. and thought, "Wow, this is not just so. easy for everybody.". And by that time when Kylie came along, I also appreciation and just joy and I. got gestational diabetes very. badly and I gained about 100 lb. And that was hard and it taught me. a lot about patience and um it taught me.

a lot about being healthy. and healthy choices and the world was. changing and a lot of my friends at the. time, we were all in our 40s. I had. Kendall. when I was 40 and I had Kylie when I was. 41. And that when you do that in your life. after having four other children, that's. very um. you know, it's a it's a decision you're making. It's very intentional and you don't just. accidentally pop up and get, at least.

for me, get pregnant for no reason. And. so it was very intentional to add to. my family and Kylie taught me a lot. about. being grateful. and having gratitude for all of my. children because the. now that I'm in my 40s, a lot of my. friends were also in their 40s and. everybody was struggling with. infertility that hadn't had a baby yet. And here I was on my, you know, fifth. and sixth and, you know, and some people.

were really struggling and I thought, "Wow, I'm so grateful that this had been. this this was my journey.". So, I felt like very. grateful for that. That's beautiful. I'm. so sorry for your loss. I mean, those. two miscarriages. Yeah. I mean, I've had. a lot of my friends in the last 12 to 24. months. have experienced miscarriages and I feel. like people are starting to talk about. it a bit more now. It you grieve. Yeah. It's a terrible thing that you do. because it's so.

um silent almost. You know, it happens. and people go, "We're so sorry." And I. carried that for months, months and. months. You know, you still think about. it from time to time, but um don't dwell. on it at all. Just grateful that I am. and I got to have my journey and my. experience and my kids are thriving. health-wise. at the moment. So, you know, you just. have to be there and support. and love on the friends that you that go.

through that and that that was a lot of. my friends were experiencing it around. that time. And um. that was real that was a. a big. moment for me during those years. Not it. wasn't a moment, it was several years of. just just trying to be there and being. supportive and. being a friend and trying to go to. doctor's appointments and, you know, doing different um versions of IVF and.

all these different medical but by the. way, we're just becoming something that. worked in those years. Like it was very. still very new. and yeah, 30 years ago, almost 30 years. ago. Um. and I just always. would hold my breath when one of my. friends would get pregnant again, you. know, that had experienced loss. in such a difficult way um praying and. then every time one of my girlfriends. would have a baby after a long journey,

I would go to the hospital and we would. celebrate and it was just yeah, was I. remember doing that quite a few times. Yeah, so anyway. Yeah, no, thank you for. sharing that. It's I think it's going to. be useful for a lot of people to hear. that because it's. I don't I don't think it's ever going to. get easier when people go through. something. It's it's always going to. hurt and. knowing that others are going through it. is probably the only thing that. helps. >> It's devastating to people that have.

tried for so long to have a baby and it. just doesn't happen for them and that. used to break my heart because I always. experienced the joy and the joyful part. of it. I never really. had the side that ended. very sadly. I had I mean, I had a couple. of experiences that was, you know, traumatizing to say the least. at the time, but I went on with a happy. ending and some people don't get that. happy ending and that always used to.

break my heart. You know, to have anybody struggle with. that. But now, my goodness, there's so. many amazing, you know, ways to overcome just due to. all the new technology, all the things. they're doing now and the way people are. um. using surrogates. That's such a. wonderful gift to be able to give. someone. I used to think when I was. really young and not thinking. it through after I had a couple kids, I.

said, "I would I was watching something. on TV once about a surrogate." And by. the way, we're talking 1980s. And I used to think, "I would do this. for somebody if somebody like it would. that why would do this?". And then, you know, then a few minutes later you're like, "Kris, snap out of it.". >> [laughter]. >> But no, I I used to think that, truly. I. used to think that would be a great. thing to do. So, I really do admire. women who give their life to somebody.

for a couple of years, basically, of. helping them carry a baby. I just shout. out to anybody who's ever been a. surrogate. What a beautiful sacred gift. And now from your position of having. this wisdom and being in this place in. your life, what's a piece of advice or. wisdom that you're sharing with each of. the kids? What's the different lens or. direction that you're giving each of. them right now? I think. be kind, treat each other with love and.

kindness and everyone that you encounter. and you never know what somebody's been. through or what they're going through at. the moment or that day and. if people are, you know, cruel and nasty. We talk about. that a lot lately just about the, you. know, the way. um. people can get worked up online and some. of the negative energy there and just. really trying to not listen to the. noise. Don't read that kind of stuff and.

try to be more joyful and just be there. for one another because all we have is. is each other. It's all we've got. It goes by so fast. and. it's it's especially when you have kids, you realize how fast time goes by. And Kylie shared in our group chat, our. family group chat, a picture of Stormi. yesterday. And I haven't seen her in a week.

And I was shocked. I was like, "This is. just going by so fast. She's, you know, she grew a foot. I What hap-. What happened here?" So, I think just to. appreciate the moments, drown out the noise as much as you can. and love each other as hard as you can. because you only have this one life and. it goes by really fast. Mhm. Yeah, you've you keep talking about in. this interview this drowning out the. noise and. >> Yeah. there being so many disturbances.

You have to. Yeah. Because there's so. much going on. I have so much incoming. constantly in my life. You know, there's. always something to look answer to, look. at a contract, have a Zoom, do a beautiful podcast. There's always. so much. to choose from and so many beautiful. things we can do, but there's also a lot. of. it's work, but it's stuff we need to do, or it's conflict, or it's um something. you need to deal with personally. There's always something, you know,

going on during the day, and I think you. have to. edit. edit your life. Mhm. And really focus on. what you want to. put your energy into, put your heart and. your soul into, put your love into. And then edit. what you can get rid of to find some joy. and some peace Mhm. in all of it. And. through all of that, be grateful. What I love learning about you more and.

more, the more time we spend together, is that. I feel like you're this incredible. powerhouse, amazing business person, incredible strategy, but at the heart of. it there's this really soft, loving, soulful, you know, individual. And is that how. you see yourself? When you feel most. seen for people who know you the deepest. and the best? >> Yeah. How do they see you? What do they. see? >> I think the way you described. Anyone. who knows me knows I'm just a big baby. I'm a big softy, and I cry at. commercials. I literally have it right.

under the surface at all times. But then. I go to work, and I'm like, "Okay, let's. do this.". >> [laughter]. >> No, I. I'm really not, but I'm you know, I love. what I do, and I know that through. experience and time and like, you know, just all the things we've been through, Yeah. know, I try my best every day. and try to get through the day with as. much. integrity and the best character I can,

you know, put out there and be myself, and do what I think is right, and teach. my kids to be good. human beings and my grandkids, and just have so much fun and enjoy. every minute. And yeah. Yeah, you did it. right, Kris. I don't know. You know, listen, I make a lot of mistakes. throughout my life and during the day. and, you know, all of it. You know, just. like everybody does. >> though. But I think if we just go out.

there and put our best foot forward, like my mom used to say, my grandma used. to say, and do our very best and be the. best sink scrubber. >> [laughter]. >> you can possibly be, you're going to be. okay. I love that. Kris, we end every On. Purpose interview with the final five. Okay. >> These questions have to be answered in. one word to one sentence maximum. So, you have a sentence for each. Okay, I'm. responding to your word. >> I'll ask you a question. You can have a. sentence. You can have a sentence. Yeah. So, Kris Jenner, these are your final. five. The first question is, what is the.

best advice you've ever heard or. received? Lead with your heart. Mhm. Second question, what is the worst. advice you've ever heard or received? Probably. somebody telling me how to raise my. kids, and then I do the exact opposite, and I. I think I did okay. >> disagree with it. Yeah. Yeah. What was. some of that bad advice? Like, what kind. of things did people say? Just, you. know, when you're going through life and. people are telling you, you know, different ways to.

just, you know, approach a problem and. how they would handle it. Um. and I've always just done my own thing. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. I think you have to. really go with your intuition and your. gut when you're raising kids, or, you. know, any any real important decision. that you make in your life, Mhm. you. have to follow. what your like your your soul tells you. to do. And I've been really, I think,

intuitive, you know, about what I think. is right and wrong. Mhm. Mhm. Question. number three, what do you feel your soul. is here to experience right now? I think. I have a strong purpose in raising my. family. and raising great kids and created a. legacy that I pass on to my. grandchildren. and their children, and just. showing and learning from one another,

my family. I think it's all about my. family. Yeah. I was born to be a mom. and help them find their passion, their. truth, their joy, their. their legacy. And so, I I have a lot of I'm so proud. of that that gets to be my purpose. Mhm. That's so that's so clearly. what it feels like you were born to do. in this life. >> like that. >> Yeah. I feel so strongly. >> And it's amazing that you're thinking.

about not only your grandkids, but their. kids and Oh, yeah. >> like you you really do think about. multi-generational. I think I'm a very. um sentimental person, Mhm. and I made. an app for my family that we have all of. our home movies from the time they were. born, and they're up on the screen, and. I try to think of really interesting. things to give them about their. childhood and you know, how the what. they can do for their kids and, you.

know, it's just. it all comes back to the kids. Mhm. The. grandkids and celebrating is. celebrating anything is so special in my. family. Mhm. And being able to celebrate. Christmas and Thanksgiving and Halloween. and 4th of July and Valentine's. >> Everything. Like, everybody's birthday. It's every month there's something. really big that happens around our our. crew. And I think just having that joy and.

that to look forward to, if it's just. being together and like you were saying, you're celebrating your special time. with your wife. >> up. Yeah. And that's something that. you're looking forward to and you can't. wait. We feel like that all the time. because there's so many of us. >> Totally. And so, my purpose here is to. be this, you know, conductor. >> [laughter]. >> of those stuff and to teach it to all of. them. Mhm. And then they'll teach it to.

their kids, and their kids will teach it. to their kids, and. you know, just the tradition, the. sentimental times, the memories, the. scores of photos that I used to put into. albums before there was ever an iPhone, and, you know, that all means so much. Yeah. Question number four, you are. obviously there for all of them. Mhm. What do you still go to your mother for, who is 91? >> Everything. I talk to her every day on. the phone. We help each other with what. we're going to watch. She loves Dateline. as much as I do. So, we're like, "What.

murder mystery are we going to watch. tonight?" And then she'll say, "Okay, I. was sad today, so we're going to watch a. comedy." And we'll say, "Okay, which. one?" And so, we have great fun just, you know, doing that together. Even. though we're she lives a mile from my. house. Mhm. I tried to get her to move in with me, but she refused. She's so independent, which I admire and love, you know. And. she lives part-time in La Jolla, down in. near San Diego. Mhm. And she's got.

beautiful views, so she sends me photos. every day of how much she appreciates. the ocean and her surroundings, and. you know, we just have great fun. together. Mhm. Yeah. She's 91 now, right? >> 91. It's amazing. Yeah. Yeah, it's beautiful what she passed. down, your grandmother passed down. >> Oh. So, it's already it's already been. three Did they have that as well, or. were they the ones to start it off? Your. grandmother. >> my grandmother started it. Yeah. >> she started it off. >> Yeah. Right, yeah. So, Lucky me. It's.

already been five generations. Lucky me. Yeah. It's amazing. Mhm. Fifth and final. question, Kris. We ask this to every. guest who's ever been on the show. >> Okay. The question is, if you could. create one law that everyone in the. world had to follow, what would it be? Love one another. Simple. Simple. Why do we find it so hard? I don't know. I don't know. But that's mine. Mhm. That's my advice. I'm so grateful to you for your time,

your energy, uh you know, sharing your soul. I I'm. waiting now. All I was thinking about. this whole time while you were speaking, I was like, we need a Kris memoir. Like, we need a memoir. >> Oh. of all of these incredible stories. of you scrubbing that donut floor and, you know, >> the glaze off the floor. >> floor and. >> I have the best donut glaze scraper. >> washing and, you know, >> US. We need we need a memoir from from. the uh from the matriarch, you know, we.

need we need a memoir. You know, they're. silly stories and something that, you. know, most people won't. you know, think are significant, but. they were growing up. Mhm. And, you. know, that's everybody's life is so. different. And that's, you know, part of mine, so. I'm grateful for every moment. Yeah, well, you impact millions of people. across the world, and [laughter] so your. story matters for people to know. how you became who you became, and I'm. grateful that we could share that. chapter here and Oh. celebrate your.

upcoming 70th birthday and just. >> so grateful for you, your family, and. We're grateful for you. I I can And I'm. proud of you for spreading all the. messages you spread around the world, and everybody listens to you and gets. such strength and knowledge and comfort. and hopefully. turns their lives around in some way and. that's a very special position to be in. and. you know, that's your very special man. So, thank you for all that you give to.

everybody in the world including me and. my family. So, thank you. Thank you, Res. You're the best. If you love this. episode, you'll enjoy my interview with. Dr. Daniel Amen on how to change your. life by changing your brain. If we want. a healthy mind, it actually starts with. a healthy brain. You know, I've had the. blessing or the curse to scan over a. thousand convicted felons and over a. hundred murderers and their brains are. very [music].

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