JOE JONAS ON: If You Want To COMPLETELY CHANGE Yourself In 2023, WATCH THIS! | Jay Shetty

So, I want you to write a letter to. yourself as a kid, knowing you to think. of that age. Like, yeah, you know, like. it's okay to like be a weirdo. Like, you. get picked on for that, that's cool. One. day these guys are going to come to your. concert. And then I wrote a letter to. myself as an adult, but as the. 8-year-old self. And I couldn't get. through the I mean, I'm bawling crying. It's just such a great reminder to be a. kid at heart. And. author and host. The number one health and wellness. podcast. On Purpose with Jay Shetty. Hey everyone, welcome back to On. Purpose. This is the number one health.

podcast in the world. Thanks to each and. every one of you that come back every. week to listen, learn, and grow. Now, I. know that you're listening because you. want to be happy, you want to be. healthy, and you want to be healed. And. it's not always that I get to do this, but I try and sit down with guests that. I have really deep, meaningful. relationships with. And I like to share. that with you because I find that when. these relationships develop organically. offline, then when we bring them online,

usually after a couple of years, you get. to experience something special. You get. to hear two friends talking. You get to. hear people not not scared of being. interviewed. You get to hear me not. being confused or flustered about where. I want to go. And I really hope that. this interview's going to do that for. you. I'm speaking to someone who needs. no introduction. I'm speaking to someone. who I absolutely admire and respect on. so many levels. You're going to see that. throughout the interview. And I'm. speaking to someone who became one of my. dearest friends without meeting him. during the pandemic. I'm speaking about.

the one, the only Joe Jonas, one of the. kindest, sweetest, most down-to-earth. humans I know. Uh there is not a bad. bone in this guy's body. Uh he's given. me memories that will last a lifetime. I'm so grateful that he's finally on On. Purpose. Joe. Wow, thank you. What an. intro. It was from the heart. you to introduce every show from now on. I would do it. nicest person I know. Uh I'll do it. Let. me be the voice of God at your events. Please. We have a show tomorrow. You can. do it. Um I'm so thrilled to do this.

Honestly, your podcast has been on my. top listens every week. Um life-changing. and it's interesting how I've quite I'm. kind of late to the game. I discovered. Jay Shetty a bit further along in my. meditation journey than most. When we. first met was via. Zoom. Actually, the first time we met was in. front of like thousands of people. online. And then we didn't actually meet in. person until. I probably a year and a half, 2 years. later. Yeah. My brother met you twice.

before me. Nick met you twice. Yeah. Um. so I was quite jealous and I was like, "I don't know. Maybe he's not Maybe he's. not real. Maybe he's just He's just an. AI version of this person that was. created." But um I'm glad to say you're. real and I'm glad that we've become so. close and you've been um. so helpful for me on my. on on my personal walk with whether if. it's. the Jonas Brothers to um personal things. I'm going through that I've expressed. with you. And on a bigger scale of just. like the days that we live our lives for. everyone else and how I'm able to.

function like a normal human being when. I go home at the end of the day. So it's been really helpful. So thank. you. No, and I and I want to give you. some credit for this because I think a. lot of this stuff happens behind the. scenes and people are unaware, especially with someone like you who. you've been. popular and famous for so much of your. life and. you know, there's so much written about. people and so much you hear about people. and there's so much you don't hear. And. I think in my line of work where I get. to see the behind the scenes of a lot of. people, I I like to be able to share. that because I think it's important. So.

what Joe's talking about for anyone. who's listening or watching back at home. is we did this charity event thanks to I. don't want to give a big shout out to. David Johnson, right? Cuz David Yeah, David Johnson, yeah. Cuz David knew that. David felt that we would connect and we. did this event for WE Day and it was. Joe, Lily Collins, and myself. And Lily. and Joe were hosting and I was asked to. teach a meditation. And literally seconds after this. meditation finishes live online to. thousands of people, I get a message.

from Joe like probably I literally in. the next couple of hours saying, "Hey, I'd love to do a meditation like that. for my friends.". And I'm like, "Cool, that sounds great. Let's do it." And I And I thought. nothing of it. I was like, "Yeah, that. makes sense. He obviously enjoyed it. That's great. Love that." And so we did. it. So we set it up for that Sunday. I. think it was Sunday. Right. And he set. up a Zoom link. He sent me a Zoom link. and we started this thing and like maybe. I can't remember how many people would. join the first one. one was probably close to like six or. seven people. it really? Okay, right.

intimate. Yeah. If I'm If I'm If I'm correct. Yeah, yeah. And then cut to. you know, after the first few weeks. more people started to join and there. was always the same 10, but for sure. sometimes it was like 30 people around. the Zoom. Yeah. And all. different walks of life, people from all. over the world. Obviously, when we're in. proper lockdown. and a lot of things were happening in. the world. it was really the best thing to have at.

at the end of your week or the beginning. of your week to just get together and. meditate with people and then have a. discussion whether people And you were. so kind and you've all still we still do. this. So you're still so kind to take. time out of your crazy schedule to. answer any questions or even give advice. and sometimes it's just an open floor to. talk and express how everybody's feeling. and it was so helpful for me. But it's. also I think really. been a wonderful experience to give back. to all my friends and or at least to be. able to present a comfortable place.

where they can just be themselves and. talk about their emotions and not feel. embarrassed about it and it's been. incredible. Yeah, the impressive part to. me though was And obviously you gave me. beautiful friends and family and people. like Greg and you know, Vanessa Hudgens. has been on the show. I met her through. the Zen Zone. She took that she met Cole through the. Zen Zone. her boyfriend that her now boyfriend who. played played for the Pittsburgh Pirates. for years and our my good friend Cristo. invited him one day. So, he invited him.

one day on the Zoom. And then, yeah, then Vanessa met Cole. through this Zoom. Like it's so there's. been like romance that's come from this, but it's um it's really special and I'm. glad that we we we kept it up. And and. obviously, everyone's life kind of got. back to normal, but we still wanted to. do it. I. I saw. um a few people last week and they were. like, "When are we doing it again?". We have to do it again. We have to do. it. Obviously, yeah, it's become like a a. norm for us. Well, that's what I was. going to say that the impressive part. and I and now we'll put a bow in the. bromance and start getting to an. interview everyone who's been listening,

but the most impressive part is that we. did it for 75 weeks. Like I think when I. calculated it was like 75, 85, maybe we. even did a few more. And I think it's. that level of consistency that I admire. in someone like you. Uh you know, anyone can do one and. anyone can be like inspired for a week. But to be inspired and through our. conversations I've continued to see. that. Like to be inspired and consistent. with something for that long and then to. inspire a community to do that, it. requires someone really special. So, I I.

really am so impressed by that and it. became the model of how I work with so. many people where I realized that you. taught me that. You were like, "Hey, just don't make it a one-on-one. Like. bring people along for the journey.". And so, you you really inspired me in. that way and and and anyone who ever. asked for a meditation, I started saying. to them, "Make sure you invite your. friends cuz Joe did this thing and it. inspired me." And and I genuinely think. it's changed the model of how I work. with people. Well, I feel like as well, you know, what I miss so. dearly was just that connection of being.

around my friends. Obviously, everyone. and family. And I was also getting tired of these. like Zoom parties where you're playing. games and you're you're "All right, uh. this is not happening this is not. working for me anymore. So, the idea. that you feel on an emotional level you. can connect with people. and also there's accountability of like. you kept your camera on and your audio. on. So, everyone was able to be actually. meditating with each other. and feel that difference. Cuz we know. how it usually goes when you're in a.

Zoom meeting or party like half the time. you're hitting the mute button and. camera's off and you're doing something. else or you're on a bicycle while you're. doing it. So, it was nice to be present. Let's let's get into it because I really. want to I really want people to hear. about your journey, especially your. personal growth journey, the journey. you've been through as an amazing. husband, a father, like just, you know, this incredible growth journey you've. been on and I think for people who've. known you for such a long time. I. remember coming to your events last year. and you've got all these new young.

audiences, then you've got audiences. who've been with you for all these. years. When did you start realizing you. wanted to work on yourself? Like when. was that like a idea or a thought or a. seed? When did it start? There was a. There's been a few hurdles that I I felt. like I probably need to take care of. myself physically, mentally. I think the biggest one that comes to. mind, many years ago I released a solo. album. So, I did a a record alongside. with my brothers. Um we kind of all started to feel like.

we had separate personal interests. professionally. And I made an album that I'm really. proud of. Now I like it even more than I. used to. I think at the time there was a. lot of cooks in the kitchen. And when. you're like performing at the level that. the Jonas Brothers were. back when and, you know, it was just. chaos and craziness and and number one. albums and the song would break records. on YouTube and things were happening in. real time. You kind of think like, all right, this. is the norm. Like this is going to.

happen for me, too. And I think that's. like obviously a really. bizarre thing to even. think about, but that started become. like, oh okay, anything we touch I think. it's going to really take off. Um, and I had kind of a wake-up call. when I released this album and it didn't. perform as well as say the brother. stuff, and. I also forgot that the years and years. of hard work that we put into the to the. brother's music to even get to a level. where that many people are listening to. our songs, and I took it really hard, but I didn't realize how I actually.

felt in the moment. I I figured. okay, well, I'll just get back on the. road and, you know, start promoting. this, and I I had like a bit of like a. lifespan with this album. I knew that. the next brother's project or TV show or. something was right around the corner, so I had about a year and a half to. really focus in on this album called. Fast Life. And I was in I was here in New York um, after the album was. out, and it didn't really do much, and. started reading reviews, started seeing.

the reactions, and it hit me like a a ton of bricks. And I started feeling like physically. ill, and I. really told myself, and I believed that. I was sick. So, I would go to the. doctor. I started going to the doctor like every. other week, and then it became like. every week, and it was almost like a. joke with my friends. We're like, oh, Sunday funday, Joe's going to the. hospital again to get a checkup. And. I'll do like full body checkups, and look at the doctor and be like, doc,

like, you got to like, all right, I. would do ultrasounds on my stomach. I. would It became a thing where. it was comical cuz I'm like, I. I'm I'm a hypochondriac. I'm just I'm. overthinking these. symptoms or um, creating these in my. mind, and. one doctor finally just said to me, they're like, have you. thought or spoken to a therapist? And I was like, me? No, why would I. Why would I ever need therapy? My life. is great. And um,

it kind of just hit me after I left and. I was like, "Oh my. like oh my god, maybe. they're right." Like. the doctor was like, "I have all of your. results here from the last like three. visits and you have nothing wrong with. you physically. Like you're you're in. great health. But obviously there's something going on. and she's like, "I'm I would think I. would This is what I would suggest.". So sure enough I started seeing somebody. and I was like, "Oh, this is. this is why.". Bef- Right before that window where I.

started speaking to somebody, I would be. I was here in New York and I'd go on. these bike journeys. and I would ride my bike from like 8:00. in the morning to 8:00 at night and stop. along the way, but. it was like an escape for me and I I and. I wasn't able to look at my phone. I. wasn't able to think about. uh. the album. I wasn't I was just like kind. of. checking out. So I was like still. running away, avoiding the problems, but. I thought this was like oh this is what. I needed. Yeah. The minute I got off the bike, I'm. feeling sick again and so I started.

talking to therapists and really. dove into all of that pain and trauma. that I created for myself and. and it it was weird that it stemmed from. something as simple as like oh the album. didn't do as well as I thought, which. you think like. it's not the biggest deal in the world, but I think in my brain I was pushing. myself so hard and I had these. expectations really set high. That. brought me into the walk of therapy and. then the walk of. meditation with you and I mean that's. years and years later, but um that's how.

I started kind of saying, "Okay, I think. I need to take care of myself and I'm. not. this 15-year-old kid anymore that can. just. run run run run run and be fine." Yeah. And it's it's amazing actually the other. way around, too. I don't know if you've. ever thought about it this way, but it's. like. you said like oh I shouldn't have maybe. felt that bad that this solo album. didn't do so well. But it's like how old were you when you. did the solo album? It's probably about 21, 22 years old, yeah. Yeah, and it's like you're still a young. Yeah, that's what I mean. You're still.

figuring it out, you know. Exactly. And. you're still And that's what I wonder. It's almost like going away from. something that was a sure fire win to. try something new and potentially out. there and risky and moving away from. like a. you know, tried and tested formula of. the brothers actually requires a lot of. courage and most people try and hang on. to what's tried and true and would be. scared to do what you did. And so I. think there's also a lot of like Yeah, it took a long courage come to that. realization. Yeah, yeah. You know, I those like trend.

words flash in your brain. Like I saw. headline like Ooh, failure. And I took. that word and that was my identity with. that album. And years later I was like, what? I I I wouldn't even listen to the. songs as well. And years later I started listening to. them again and obviously going through. the work and realizing that like you. said, yeah, that journey, that leap of. faith to actually do something else. rather than just be. pigeonholed to like this is the. comfortable place. This is the. breadwinner. I'm good here. Yeah. I was. like, all right, I'm taking the leap of. faith on my own. And that's a big enough.

It doesn't matter who how many people. listen to it. If everybody loved it, hated it, whatever. Yeah, yeah. Doing it. for me. And I lost touch with that. Yeah. But that commitment as well, even. at that early age, when When was it you. started to see a therapist? It was. around that same time, right? 21, 22. 22. Yeah, like that that commitment to that. truly working on yourself in a inner. reflective way, like that's. that's a big deal even at even at that. age. Like to accept that you need help, then to find help. What was that like.

for the rest of your family? Like how. how was other people reacting to it? Because I feel like today when people. try to seek help, often it's in And I. met your parents. They're absolutely. wonderful. I've met your brothers. They're they're wonderful. Like, you. know, I've met met all your partners. I. don't think I've met Kevin's uh wife, but I've met you know, both your. partners. Yeah, yeah. I know the. I've I've interacted with the family and. so I'm like I can imagine that they were. positive towards you, but what was it. like initially? Like how does that feel. like to your parent? I think what you. know my our dad has been the most.

incredible. person to go to with. pretty much anything. I mean he was a. minister for many years. Then he was our. manager for a good amount of years. Then around the same time he became like. dad solely again, which was actually. great because we had I had like my dad. to go to about stuff. Um but you know. when you start that journey of like. seeking outside help. it it is I I think as a parent it'd be a.

little bit. it's going to take a. a beat to realize like oh you're not the. only one that can give advice now. But. also. I get it. I you know I I think my. parents are really mature in that sense. where. they respect medical professionals. So I. think if like the person has the the. degree to to Yeah, yeah. to be able to give that advice then I. think that they're going to feel more. comfortable. I mean that there's been. people that I think I've gone to for. advice that my dad was like.

I'm going to raise my hand and say this. is my opinion. I don't know if this is. the right person for you, but. let's find somebody with like a couple. of doctorates. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's. fair, that's fair, that's good advice. Yeah, no your your parents are so sweet. when I met them. They're just. Cuz it's so easy to like you know find. anybody like Google the closest. therapist or person to or life coach or. whatever it may be. But actually have. somebody who knows is is key. Yeah, I. love what you said though about how like. you were like you know I had to realize. that the brothers had spent all these. years building something and then.

obviously you were trying to do. something on your own. Like how is your. personal creative process changed since. then? Like how have you adapted since. the first round of the brothers to doing. your own thing to now doing yeah like. how's how have you changed that? Well, it's changed quite a bit. I feel like. with DNCE I had and for those who are. listening or watching I'm in a band as. well with my brothers called DNCE. We. have a. a song Cake by the Ocean was our first. song I wrote for the the band with. Justin Tranter.

And Great song. Thank you. Great on. stage. And that. song and the way it took off actually. was the first bit of feeling of okay, this other style of music that I really. love to create. I can also pursue and follow this. butterfly and see where it takes me. because. I can bring this back to the brothers. So I've been able to go on my own and. I can grow as a writer and a producer. and and and creator.

and have that time and then bring it. back and I and it's really great now. We. have such respect for our individual. ways of writing and producing and and. when Nick and I wrote our. most recent album. we had like two different rooms going. So Nick was writing something with. somebody and I had another room going. and we kind of like. brought the best ofs and then came to. the table and said here's what I'm. thinking, here's what I'm thinking and. then we like kind of worked together. We. used to just argue our way through.

songwriting sessions or everybody wants. the chorus, you know, it's like I want. the chorus. My voice sounds good on. this. And we're like oh I really want to. sing this because I kind of think it. relates to something I'm going through. more and it's that was just like now. it's quite nice that we're meeting each. other. really at the same place. You know, we're all fathers, we're all. in this great place where like not it's. not like one brother's like trying to. find the next yacht party and one's like. tucking the kids in into bed. It's like. we're really actually living the same.

place in our lives and that makes a huge. difference when it comes to the music I. think. Yeah, yeah. And the new music it feels. that lyrically and we can actually tell. this grown up story and and and. essential. Yeah, that's so exciting to. hear actually, to hear about how if. you're working in a team when you're in. a similar place in life, often there's a. bit more empathy, there's a bit more. understanding, there's a bit more. I think it's it's comparable to like any. career path. I mean, if if you're. writing a film with a a good friend and.

one wants to write. a love story and the other's like, "No, I want to write a war film." And that's. that's that. There's going to be no love. in it. It's like definitely going to be. tough, you know? And so, I think we felt. that when we wrote songs. It'd be like, one person's going through a heartbreak. and the other's like, "Well, I just. started seeing somebody." It's like. And I know that's really on the the. romance front, but that. that those heads butted. Yeah. Also, I've gotten the opportunity in the last. couple years to write music for film and. TV. Mhm. And I love putting a thinking.

cap on of somebody else. So, playing it. I'm thinking as the character. Yeah. What would they feel and what So, everything during the lockdown, I wrote. a. song for um. an animated film called uh Rumble. About like wrestling monsters. So, that's so cool. Putting a putting on a thinking cap of. like, all right, what would they sing. about? Yeah, yeah. And then um just. recently wrote a song for the film I. shot last year, Devotion. I The director. about 6 months later asked me if I would.

be interested in writing the end credit. song, so I got to to write. with Ryan Tedder and Harv, who wrote um. he was a born to the original Peaches. for Justin Bieber. And um I got my buddy Khalid a part of. the song. Um. And that was a really special experience. because I also got to think about what. it was like. for the main. character in the film and his. relationship and how it was comparison. to my relationship. and people that are just away from their. families and friends a lot and just what. is that feeling of you don't have to.

feel like you're alone. I'm always there. for you, whether if it's spiritual or. mentally, it takes that mindset. Yeah, I. mean, that was a lot of the crew for. Devotion. They were the ones that were. part of our Zen Zone, right? So. It was cool. I It was really special. Yeah, I mean our actors, at least the. actors I've run into, meditation is so. key on set. I mean, when you're having even if it's like a. split second where you have to get into. character and. just take a second and get it and be. like, all right, where am I? Where did I. just come from? And it may sometimes be.

a little conversation in your own head, and I found it immensely helpful in. scenes. Some of the tools you've given me that. um I keep in my back pocket. and uh I use. whether it fits on stage or I'm about to. hit a terrible golf shot, or I can think. about, all right, breathe in four times, hold for a Yeah, I can't improve. anyone's golf game. I can't even improve. my own, so that's yeah. I mean my my meditation doesn't Someone. told me meditation and golf were Hey, man, there's a book there. Yeah, there's.

a book there. When I When I get good at. golf but tell me about that transition. because I think like, you know, I've. seen you on stage, you're a natural. performer. I always I always tell you. like I see these pictures come out and. I'm like, dude, you just remind me of. Freddie Mercury, who who I love, right? Like who I I I love like Queen was my. favorite band growing up and. and so any footage I've ever seen of. watching Freddie Mercury live is just. unbelievable. And so. that comes very naturally to you. You've. done it for a long time. What was it. that even gave that shift? When I heard. you were acting and you because you'd. just for everyone to realize, too, you'd.

be on set, like you'd be in all these. random locations like logging into Zen. Zone on your phone and like. but what was what brought that. transition about? Like where where did. that impetus come from? Well, like where. did that excitement come from? Yeah, well, when I was much younger, I always. wanted to act. I always wanted to like I. always put on a show in our basement. I. had the Joe Show, it was like a talk. show that I put on and imitated uh late. night talk shows. And then there was a. popular TV series on that Nickelodeon. called All That, that was like a kids.

version of SNL, and I wanted to be a. part of that show. I was like, these. kids are allowed to be wacky and fun on. TV. This is amazing. Yeah. Um, and then. years later, you know, just doing stuff. with Disney. We did Camp Rock, and we. always like dabbled in in film and TV, and I and I had opportunities along the. way, but music was always my main focus, and that took up a lot of time. And the. limited amount of weeks or months of the. year that I. was making an album, or it was a little. bit quiet season, we're still like. we're still working. Um, and not until.

really. the lockdown where I saw an opportunity. of time, and um, started auditioning and. having conversations. I had a. conversation with JD, the director of. Devotion, which I I I just straight up. told him like, "Look, I know I'm not the. first choice. Um, I get that. Simply because I'm I I. don't have the credits to prove that I. can do this, but I will work so hard for. you. I will prove to you that I can do. this.". And I sent a self-tape in, and. it was a life-changing experience. I.

mean, I'm. lucky that I'm a part of a film like. that, or I should say, I'm very grateful. that I'm a part of film like that, where. I'm surrounded by such great talent, and. just. soaking it up. I knew day one, showing. up on set, Jonathan Majors, who plays. Jesse Brown, the one of our leads of the. film, I mean, he was in character at the table. read, in his flight suit. And I was like, oh, okay, this is. this is real. Yeah. And um, I just felt. so excited to just learn. And um,

it's a bit of addictive because. when you have somebody that is that. in character all the time, it rubs off. on you. So, like, all the other guys, we. started dressing in 1950s clothes, and. then we started. like, afterwards, I still was shaving. every day like they were in the Navy, and I just like I loved that aspect of. it, where you really try to dive in. Yeah, and what, you were working out a. lot, too, right? Like, I swear during. that movie, you're like Well, all these. I I'll tell you what. I showed I showed. um,

the day the fitting was I showed up to. set. And I saw all these photos. mostly just like shirtless photos of. these actors and I was like, oh, I need to get I need to get like I. thought my two days was was enough. I. was like, I got to And they're like. looking at their ages. I was like, man, this guy's like 6 or 7 years. younger than me. I was like, all right, I got to keep up with these kids. Uh but yeah, it inspired me to like work. out and we did a lot of military. training where we were like we were.

doing group runs and. um you know, just working out on set a. lot because we're just sitting around. and. and I think that's why. meditation really came in handy, working. out came in handy on set. What they. don't tell you about being in these. beautiful films is that there's a lot of. downtime. Yeah, a lot of waiting around, yeah. And if you're not number one. or two on the call sheet, then you're. probably just hanging out and waiting. for them to be like, we need you in the. background. So, um a lot of time spent and I was just. like built a little workout. Yeah. I.

built a gym in my back of my car. essentially and I just would. and I had a shower, so I would if I got. sweaty, I would just shower in the. trailer and then get ready again and. Wow. meditation. I mean, we do with Zen. zones on set. We would do these zooms. where we did meditation on set and it. was really amazing. Where did that work. ethic come from for you? Because that's. what I was talking about earlier, right? Like your discipline, your ability to. apply your mind, your consistency. Like. those things are not always common. because Sure.

you know, especially when you're being. artistic and creative, sometimes you. need spontaneity and you sometimes just. have like an artistic moment, but you've. been able to balance the two. Like where. did that work ethic develop? Like how. early was that? When did that Was that. from parenting? Was that from. the brothers? Like where did that come. from? You know, I I I chop some of it up. to my. parent my parents. Yeah, they worked really hard. I mean, I. watched and didn't really click. I mean, my dad, you know, he was very much in. debt. putting his. energy, focus, money into The Brothers.

when we started. I mean, the guy was. like three, four jobs. He was driving. every day from New Jersey. He'd drive us to the city to record a. song, drive us back. I mean, it's like. an hour each way if you're lucky and. there's no traffic. And then on. weekends, he's a minister. It's just. like Wow. Juggling a lot of hats. And. also catering to like an entire church. and their. stuff. Yeah. So, some of that and also I think just. when it comes down to it, I just want to.

keep pushing myself and I also am so. grateful that I get to do what I love. for a living every day. I wake up and. write a gratitude list. And on that list. it's usually one of the top four things. is. I'm grateful that I get to do what I. love for a living every single day, especially when there's so many people. out there and there's so much music. constantly coming out. And on the acting. side, there's so many great actors out. there that are constantly you're you're. seeing and and to be a part of a film. like that or to.

have music pop up on Spotify new music. Friday or whatever it may be. I'm like. I am so. immensely grateful that I get to do this. and continue to get to do this. And that. makes me want to work even much that. much harder because I I don't want to. just say, "Okay, you know what? The. Brothers are big enough. We're playing. these big venues. We're we're like we're I'll I'll it's. like great. This is a nice paycheck. I'm. I'm I'm you'll see me every year, guys.". It's like, "No, I want to like how do we. make this. like how do we make the music better? How do we make or bigger? Uh bigger.

meaning like sonically. And how do we um. how do we connect more with our fan base. and where they're at in their life. because. they're growing up with us and they. have. And it feels so great when we can look. listen to the music and say. "I'm so proud of this because it. connects on so many different points. And then my being a part of a film like. Devotion, emotionally a beautiful true. story. Um and other things that I'm working on, just I try to make sure that I'm really. passionate about it. Yeah, yeah. And that comes across and I.

love that point you made about your. parents. I mean, I think about that. often with my parents who were both. immigrants. Like my mom moved to London. when she was 16 years old, which I can't. imagine what that feels like. You know, English is not their first language. And. then you're starting out from scratch, like nothing. And then when I was she. was like making us breakfast, me and my. sister, dropping us to school, going to. work, getting us picked up in the evening, making us dinner. Like, you know, just. like taking care of us. Like and I just. I always look at my mom's work ethic and.

I think that's I can I feel that. similarity where I'm like, I work this. hard because I saw my mom work that. hard. 100%. like humble beginnings. It really is. like. I'm really. glad the way we grew up. Like I mean, there was a moment where all four boys. are in one bedroom. And four boys meaning our youngest at. the time was a the the youngest brother. was. he's baby. And we're like teenagers and we're. starting this band. We'd be play these.

big stages and go back and sleep in the. same bedroom. And at the time I hated it cuz I was. like, but it's also now I'm like that's. what made me who I am today. And. I think if it was a different situation, I don't know if I would be in the same. mindset. Yeah, speaking about that. there. Like one thing I've noticed with. you. uh from the time we have spent together. and even with everyone else, whether. it's online or offline, it's like you're. super grounded. You make everyone feel. comfortable around you. Like I remember. when we were like hanging out last year. in New York. And.

you know, I'm always mindful. I'm like, are you sure you want to go there? Like, you know, is it going to be surrounded. by people? And like you were so cool. when people came up and. you know, you'd always bump into groups. of people who were just happy to say. hello to you, and you've always you seem. very comfortable. with obviously you've done it for a long. time, but you're very comfortable with. people, you're very easy with people, you're very grounded. I I don't I don't. notice ego and arrogance when I talk to. you and I talk see how you deal with. your team, your friends, everyone in. your life, and it's really beautiful to. watch. Oh, thank you. And I I I really appreciate that because.

when I was in the monastery, it was like. the most we were trained to believe that. the most admirable quality in someone. was humility. Like that was seen as like. the the crown jewel of all qualities was. if someone could be extremely. accomplished but be humble. And that. doesn't mean that they think they're. worthless, it just means that they still. treat everyone with respect. And I I see. that in you, and so I wonder was. arrogance and ego ever a challenge? Was. that ever or was that just like. obviously we all have it when we're. young and it it goes away or was it. something that you got more used to with.

fame? Like how did I just want to hear. your story with that because I feel like. yeah, it's just special watching you. where you are now and just how. effortless it is. It's it's interesting. because there's been definitely times. that I feel like I've been. um affected by the feeling of being on. stage and feeling larger than life at. times. You know, like this feeling is. like I'm just you know, you're I only. way to put it is like the quarterback. that wins the high school football game. Like we're doing it every night on.

stage. That that energy. And yeah, people screaming your name and. Yeah, it's just a trippy, you know, and. it definitely can affect you. And also make you like feel out of touch. with reality at times. I am really grateful that I've had two. guys to do this with. Mhm. Um. brothers keep you. pretty accountable and humble. And we stop each other around a lot. I. think that. humble beginnings was also essential. Like don't forget where you came from. Mhm. And all those things are so easy to just.

forget and just move to LA and. get a big house and like you're retired. I'm like whatever. Don't talk to me. I'm. I'm I'm hiding out. And. to each their own. I just um. I still don't know what the ingredient. was, but I think the magic ingredient. was, but I think it's a bunch of. different things. And I think also just. getting older and like. finding my own like happiness outside of. the brothers, outside of music, outside. of film or TV. Just like on my own. personal front of being able to.

you know, a bit of separates church and. state in that sense. So it's it's nice. to just have something for myself. And. Sophie and I am speaking to her, obviously. We. uh my wife, for those who are don't know. what I'm talking about um or who I'm. talking about. You know, we were very. particular with like sharing our. relationship. So we we didn't really. post anything about our relationship. till like we were engaged. Like um and. it was nice for the first time to. actually just have something for us, for. me. Um that I didn't feel like I needed.

to share with the world. And. um. I think, you know, she is also keeps me. humble and accountable. And. it's um. been amazing to have a partner like her. I wind up my wife all the time because. she's she does the same thing to me. Like my wife keeps me so humble and so. grounded. And so I'll wind her up by. saying really egoistic things around her. all the time just to see how she reacts. And she never takes it as a joke. Like. to her it's like you can't even joke. about being arrogant.

look in the mirror certain way. Yeah. I can't look in selfies the same. way. If I look at it, she's like, "Why. are you doing that pout? Like what is. wrong with you?". Oh, yeah. I mean, she yeah, she'll. she'll tell me straight up. She'll be. like, "You're not going to wear with those. shoes, right?". Quote, like yesterday. I was like, "Well, I was planning on it, but. And there's like obviously a a lot of. great things that come from it. I'm. saying the funny things, but I think. it's been really helpful to have outside. of brothers even like accountability.

when it comes to fame. Having a partner who's like supportive. and also trustworthy and. and you you know has your back but also. will will. will keep your head on straight. Yeah, definitely. I couldn't agree more. I I think about that all the time that I. can't imagine how hard it is to. create that obviously Sophie has an. incredible career herself as well. So it. it makes it somewhat more. understanding but I I with my life it's. like I met Roddy before everything. happened.

And so it's been really wonderful to be. understood in that way as well. Like. there's Yeah, there's like a sense. challenge as well. Yeah. Like. as you're becoming this amazing. influential person. and there's so much coming at you to. have a support and obviously she also. has an amazing career but it's also to. see you both like do your thing and be. so supportive and like, you know, the days you can of the week that you. don't get to see your partner it's just. tough and then so I know in my life I.

just work really hard so I can be home. more. Yeah. And that's been. something I've learned, you know, that I. I enjoy time off because I used to just. be like, "I have a week off? Oh, I'm. Where am I What city am I going to?" And. now I'm like, "I actually understand why. it's nice to just chill." Right, you got. adorable children too to add to that. Yeah, it's like I just incredibly. grateful to be a dad. It's an amazing. feeling. Yeah, what what do you think. you learned by first we'll start with.

being in a relationship. What do you. think you learned. about yourself or something that you. grew by being with Sophie that you. didn't have before? Like a a skill, an. ability, a mindset, an approach to life. What what came through that relationship. with Sophie that It's not some like. cute relationship that you just. you have. I've had my fun. I've dated. before, funny, but what what it's just. so different with Soph is that. that blew me away is just like.

the forgiveness, the the partner, the. friend that I have. Like we're each. other's best friends and we grow. together. I mean, so many different. amazing experiences that we've had. in just. five some years. It's just trippy to us. We're like, "Woah, we really. have lived a life and um. uh it's just been. amazing to like at times save each. other. You know, we've gone through so. many. heavy things together as a couple and. individuals.

And to know you have that support no. matter what is just amazing. Mhm. Yeah, I love hearing that, man. It's. beautiful. And and yeah, I agree with. you. There's so many things. that you can go on and on about, but. yeah, I I feel the same way. Like when I. met Roddy, it's like. I don't think I ever knew what. a genuine like understanding. relationship looked like. Like I Yeah, like I feel understood. Yeah, I remember. there was a big moment in our. relationship where we were all had a. rocky. phase and.

I like called it off and. she. was understanding and that blew my mind. That somebody could be. You break up with someone and they. understand, yeah. And I panicked and got back with her. like right away. But it was the best It was the obviously. the best decision ever. I was Not the. breakup part. That was the dumbest. decision. But I realizing like the fact. that she. would be supportive and I'm not saying I. was in the right in any way. I realized. that.

this person is loves me so much that. they were willing to put aside their. stuff for me. And I'm like, "What the. Like how how could I ever lose that?". Yeah. Um and. That's special. Yeah, it's really special. That's beautiful. What about What about. with the kids? Like becoming a dad. Like. that's another These are all major life. transitions, right? Like going from. being with the brothers to then. doing your solo thing, then coming to. therapy, figuring that out, then you. know, these are all major life. transitions and I think I'm I'm not a.

dad yet, so I'm always intrigued to get. get dad tips and uh I mean Will has. joined many many meditations. Many Zen Zens, which is very sweet. But. like yeah, what what would you say have. been the greatest lessons and that for. you or like the biggest yeah, the. biggest, the simplest things? I mean, there's so many. I got. amazing advice before I became a father. Just before becoming a parent, I I. reached out to like my. favorite people that are parents. and the ones that I really respect how. they raise their kids.

I had a lot of questions for them, but. the biggest question was like if you can. give me one. big piece of advice and almost all of. them, and this is sounds just kind of. cliché, but they're just like literally. enjoy every moment because it moves by. so fast. And I think about my own father. and I'm thinking I'm like, you know, he. blinks and I'm like his sons are in his. 30s. He's like most of his sons and it's. just like. and I'm a big kid at heart and I I was.

like I I encourage other parents to just. be a big kid. Another person mentioned, you know, they watched their son. they watched the like somebody walk by. with their child over a puddle. and that parent was like, "No, no, we. don't jump in puddles.". And he was like, "I never want to be. that parent. I want to be the parent. that like explores that." Because you. know what? There's plenty of clothes at. home you can change into. And like that. imagination is so important for young. kids and. I had that growing up and I want to be.

like that. Um now I understand if you're. on your way. somewhere fancy, whatever. I get there's. there's obviously times maybe jumping in. the puddles not the always the best, but. like. the message there is. imagination is so key and. the if if I was ever held back from like. being wacky and silly and. putting a show on for my family or. friends in my basement, I wouldn't be where I am today. If I If.

I didn't love the music If I didn't If I. wasn't allowed to listen to the music. that I listen to and there's a lot of. things. And I get it. That That's a big. question and those are I mean, it's a. big comment. I mean There are music. There is certain music I didn't get to. listen to it growing up, but I will say. like. I it molded me to who I am today and I I. think the imagination. thing is so key. Yeah, no, I I think. that's a beautiful point and it's it's. interesting how that's really coming out. in child psychology now. Like everything. you're saying, I think. is true because we're seeing through the. research that when kids are too limited.

or restricted or put into this like rule. system of like this is right and this is. wrong and this is okay and this isn't. Like as a child it it definitely limits. your understanding. I mean I mean I'm. actually interviewing a ton of people. who are like. child trauma experts or people who like. deeply studied that area and it aligns. with what you're saying. And so it's. it's beautiful to hear that and it's. nice to hear that you had it and you. continue to pass it on. Oh, yeah. And. I think one of the the most amazing.

things I've done. and I have it framed at home. This is one of my first experiences in. therapy. And the therapist asked me to. write a letter to like. essentially they asked me to think about. what I see when I when I'm like when you. say, "Okay.". And I I'm no therapist, so excuse me for. presenting this in a in a You probably. know this method, but it's like, "I want. you to write a letter to yourself as a. kid knowing to think of that age." So. for me it was between ages like seven. and 10.

Um. I mean like, "All right. Now like I want. you to like look at There was an empty. chair." Like I want you to look at the. empty chair. and really visualize yourself. Like. visualize yourself. Like what are you. wearing? How's your hair look? Are you. What are you playing with? Are you like. sitting there? Are you Are you nervous? Are you distracted? I'm like, I can see. myself essentially. And then I wrote a letter to myself. And like to my younger self like, "Oh. yeah, you know, like. maybe don't date this person." Like. whatever. Just like funny little things. to even like personal things.

Like it's okay to like be a weirdo. Like. if you get picked on for that, that's. cool. And one day these guys are going. to come to your concert. Like whatever. Like just funny things. And then I wrote. a letter to myself as an adult but as an. 8-year-old self. And I couldn't get through the letter. I. mean, I'm bawling crying trying to write. this letter and I wrote it with my the. hand I'm not strong I'm not very strong. with. So, I wrote my left hand. So, it's. really squiggly like squiggly. And. uh I have the letter framed in my house. It was just such a great reminder to. just.

to be a kid at heart and to like. not be too hard on ourselves. We're all. big kids at the end of the day trying to. figure this crazy thing called life out. Yeah, totally. I love that exercise. I. think it's such an important one and. it's like everyone should definitely do. that. Uh it's amazing. I mean, I found it to. be an emotional thing. Some people find. it to be a fun game but. whatever it is, I I loved it and I. passed it on. Yeah, no I think it's so I. think it's so powerful. What are other. things that like we've talked about. meditation of course and I'd love to. know more of your practice now as well.

but what are some other habits that. you've picked up along the way? It. sounds like you're a collector of like. these. Definitely, yeah. like you Yeah. I I like to think I'm a collector. list you talked about. You talked about. this this letter to kids. We talked. about meditation. Like what are some of. the others? All collections from other people. That's that's good. But. I think the most recent art direct the. director of Devotion, JD, right above. his monitors, he had "What do you want. them to feel?" Mhm. And. I just.

fell in love with that little quote. And. I wrote it. on a mirror in the dressing room. um that we traveled with. So, it wasn't. just writing on some back like left it. for everyone. Some random bathroom there. And that. really helps me before I go on to stage. Like, what do I want them to feel? Especially after like a long day, let's. say your voice is tired, you're mentally. drained, or you're like, all right, we're playing. the same show, like got to find like. like what about And then that always. reminds me of like there's somebody out. there that's their favorite song. Or.

look for that person. Or if. I'm tired, like these people spend all. their day getting ready for today. Like, I want them to like if I went to a. concert and I. it takes me a lot to go see a show cuz I. I'm like, all right, this has got to be. somebody I really want to see. Yeah. You. want to see the what you think is a. You want to leave going, that was. amazing. Like, how do I bring that for. them? And same like for our director, it's like, what do you want them to. feel? And um it's really powerful. So, I.

I I've I've taken that along the way. Um. my morning routine is. pretty locked in now. My streaks are pretty good on my. meditation app. So, like I pretty much. wake up and the first thing I do is. meditate. Sometimes it's like a a moving. meditation where I'm like I can be. brushing my teeth or doing something, but I'm like in silence and I'm just. kind of walking through the steps. And then I write a gratitude list. And. it's anywhere from.

I'm grateful for the beautiful morning. I'm grateful for a cup of coffee that's. going to keep me going or to like a. larger that I'm grateful for my health, like the fact that I get to be able to. walk on two feet and and do this and and. obviously the list goes on. And then I'm. working on my Italian, so Oh, really? Don't quiz me, but I'm slowly slowly. working on that. What's the Why Italian specifically? Is. it a movie role. We we went to Italy on our honeymoon. Mhm. And I just. did not like that I had to like be.

my hands were held by our translator the. whole trip. So, I'm on this romantic. trip and then I'm like, "Do you mind asking if they have any. more?". And I just was like embarrassed but also. like I took that and was like I want to. go back here on our own and like not. have to have anybody helping us out. It. was like that brought me and then just. Italy's amazing. Yeah, it is. would love that. I would love to learn. more. I love that. I I love what you. were saying earlier because I think that. mindset for anyone who's performing,

anyone who's done this for a long time, like you know, I think a lot of people. most most people who don't know me well. don't know that I started speaking on. stages and at events when I was 18 years. old. And so, I'd done what I'd done for. 10 years before anyone cared or knew. what it was. And. when I when I hear what you're saying, it's like when you've done it for that. long, I I became more grateful when people. actually cared cuz I was like, "I've. been doing this for 10 years and like.

five people showed up." And so, you. know, when you start doing it and more. people care and more people are. interested, you become more grateful. But there was something beautiful, there. was an interview with. Vanessa Bryant, uh Kobe's Bryant's wife, after he passed away. And she was. telling a story, actually I think she. was giving a speech and she told this. conversation that she had with Kobe. And she said that. you know, people always asked Kobe. why he played when he was injured or a.

lot of people didn't know that he played. when he was injured. But every time I'd ask him why he played. when he was injured, he'd said that I'd. played because that person. has saved up. to come and watch one game. And they want me to play in that game, they came to watch me. It's unbelievable. And if I don't play, then they won't have got to see me and. they may not be able to afford to go to. another game ever again. And so, I'm going to play even if I'm. injured. And every time I think about that, and. it's exactly what I heard in the essence.

of what you were saying, that it's like. people have come here to see us. It's. like, what do you want them to feel. like? When you live in that way, it's. like every show becomes it's your first. time, right? It feels that way because. it's that person's first time, even if. it's not yours. And I think that mindset. is so beautiful and so special. You see. it across all these amazing people who. who perform for a living, who are doing. this week in, week out. And the fact. that you share that, it it speaks. volumes for anyone out there who's.

wanting a career in this life, whatever. it may be, any career that's on stage. You've got to have that in your heart. because otherwise it gets really boring, really unfulfilling, and really dry. really quickly. So, anyway, you reminded. me of that. That was a beautiful story. Yeah, and I had to share it. What a legend. He had found strength. even when he's injured. Just It's. amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. But But I like that. I What do you want to make people feel? I think that that's such a great way to. live. Like you just given a mantra for life.

Like even if you're not a performer. I feel like it's just in general being. more present with somebody. I mean, you. know, there's there's times where like. you can't really even bring a lot to the. table, literally dinner table. Somebody. calls you and say, "Hey, you want to get. dinner tonight?" And you've been. running, running, running. You're like, I don't. think I can give you 100% of myself. mentally or physically even like just to. be in your presence. Like I just. Uh it's okay to give you the rain check. some pass on the rain check sometimes. You're just like, "I I want you to be.

able to have my full attention." And. um I try to put that into play more. often. Yeah. How have you managed to keep so. many good relationships? Like during. this busy career, a hectic career. Like. it's Most people end up becoming lonely. and successful. Right? And when we did Zen Zone, I got. to meet all these wonderful human. beings. Yeah. And it wasn't just people. in the industry. Like it wasn't like a I. just sent a note out and whoever comes. it was like these are people that know.

you and you know and like when we would. talk and like, you know, there'd be. banter back and forth and you could tell. that there was a real relationship. Of. course there's bandmates there there's. there's people but it's like how have. you managed I'm intrigued by that idea. because I think it's less common. And I. think it's fascinating that it's not. just the amount first of all you have a. quantity of relationships as well but. they're also quality as well. Like what. did you do to do that? I've had the same kind of friend crew. for a long time. Um I think the older.

you get your your friends gets. tighter. Mhm. Uh some of which like you. said I'm lucky that I get to work with. some of my friends. I mean that's. sometimes a dangerous game. Exactly. Yeah. We've worked long enough where. we've like we're still friends even if. we've gone and done different career. paths and come back together but Mhm. um. I think it's been. essential just to get uh I think I I. always need face time and I don't mean. by face time on the phone I'm like. literally face time with that person. um or people and I I.

I think it's really important for the. relationship and just checking in, you. know? I think it's so interesting how. somebody gave me this advice years ago. when we see our friends like going. through something. um. or we know they're going through they've. a loss in the family or a situation. that's pretty heavy. And we. usually. you think like ah I don't want to bother. them right now. And. a lot of people are thinking that more.

than. than. you would think. And how easy it is to. pick up the phone or just shoot a text. Um. I've been trying to implement implement. that a little bit more. I'm still not. great at it but I definitely know that. like. it's something that I. have felt on the other side when I'm. going through something kind of heavy. and like people might go like, "Ah, I. just want to give them space. Maybe they. need Maybe I shouldn't pretend like I. know what It's like it's somewhat nice. to. to be reached out to or to reach out. That's beautiful, man. And and I know. you do that. I think that's the thing.

But I'm sitting in this interview and. the whole time I've been thinking like. this guy actually does everything he's. saying he does and it's I genuinely. respect it. It's It's so hard to to. really walk your talk. It's so hard to. like. really emphasize I you know, I I. remember even. you know, just when when we were. traveling together last year for that. for a couple of the shows. and it was just you know, you were going. through so many family things as well in. between. Yeah. And. and so you were constantly there and. available and trying to make sure you. know, trying to figure it out and like.

that was what you guys were talking. about like, you know, so you could tell. just how much love and how much. connection there was there with the you. know, with family and when you when you. look at family, family is obviously such. a central pillar to your life like in. every sense of the word. The brothers, your parents, your your wife, your kids, you know, like the fact that the crew. family, the team family like if you had. to give not advice, but your reflection. on like. what keeps family to get together.

despite so many differences, despite. being business together. Just like what. have you what have you come up with. because. there there has to be something that. keeps someone after all this time like. inspired to keep family together when it. and it's not just business, right? It's. more than that. I think we learned. a while back that. if it's just business 24/7, which it was. like. it would implode, which it did. We broke. up as a band and we wanted pretty much. nothing to do with each other for a.

while. And when we decided to get back together. as a band, there was a lot of like, all. right, we have a lot to work through and. we did. But once we stepped back into. this crazy world of of what we do, we made sure that we try to take some. time just for us. as brothers, as a family, like. go on trips together. Like let's. let's not talk about work. And it's. weird cuz work is also like what we. love. So music does come up, but there.

are moments where we're like let's just. go ski together. Let's go play golf. I. mean golf is kind of our. It's the one thing I guess we all can. relate on. I'm not I mean we just went. play golf for Nick's birthday. I mean. this guy can. plays like 36 holes in one day and then. he's like all right, cool. We're going. to do that 7:00 a.m. tomorrow. I'm like. buddy, I need a break. Um so. we we have hobbies outside of. work that I think that's essential for. us. And even like with our my parents and. stuff like just hanging out, you know,

like let's let's. let's challenge each other without. talking about business cuz we're still. like in a business with our dad at. times. We're in and out always. Like it. it always. we can't help ourselves because we all. love music. We all love what we do. We. love supporting each other. But it is. nice to to say, you know what? Let's. just not talk about Let's just do. something as a family or as friends, as. brothers. and keep that relationship healthy as. much as we can. Yeah. Joe, you've been. so generous with your time. I want. everyone who's listening and watching to.

know that it's currently Friday night. and it's 8:24 p.m. Uh Joe's had a busy day. bar in town with Jay Shetty. Come on. Tomorrow you're you're performing at. Global Citizen. Yeah, it's going to be. really exciting. Global Citizen at. Central Park. I have never played the. show and I mean. quite the flex. I mean I heard I I I. mean what a great cause and. I'm getting texts like you're playing. Central Park tomorrow? I'm like maybe. But I'm really excited to share the. stage with some of these legendary acts.

I can always say that I I I played a. show with Metallica. Never thought I'd. be saying that. Yeah, it's awesome. But now I'm so. grateful for your time. Is there. anything that I haven't asked you that. you really wanted to share or something. that was on your heart or mind and. you're like, I really want to talk about. this, but I didn't Um, we kind of tapped into it a little bit. on like the daily practices. But one. thing I've recently done was I. kind of stole from. Greg over there. Um, which has been helpful actually. I. like recently deleted social media off. my phone. Oh, wow. I didn't know that.

been like and I'll still like download. Instagram occasionally just to check in. on messages cuz it's like literally a. new email at this point. But I it's been nice cuz I I just needed. the break and it's been really helpful. to be present with my friends and. family. And I know there's other ways of. doing it. I'm not saying it's bad for. you. I mean, there's there's other ways. of of of like setting the alarms and. timers. But for me to not even have it. on my phone, I'll tell you what, I'm. just like so much more aware and the and. goes the full circle like being present. with my friends, I'm just like.

way more a like in it, which has been. really nice. I love that, man. That's and that's. hard. The only thing I miss is like a. couple funny memes my friends will send. me. Other than that, I feel like I'm. pretty like aware, which is nice. Yeah, yeah. And then I've been loving all. these spontaneous TikToks. Oh, yeah. TikTok's been a lot of fun. I can't I'll get back on there. eventually. I I love that. I can showcase that person my wacky. personality. Like I got more people. coming up to me on the street these days.

saying, I like your TikTok than your. music. And I'm like, all right. I was. doing an interview the other day and I'm. sat outside having coffee. And this young lady came up and she's. like, "Excuse me." And I was like, "This. is perfect timing. I'm about to do an. interview." And she's like, "I love your. TikTok.". Not unexpected, but I appreciate it. I. appreciate it. And then the guy was. like, "I guess I should ask about your. TikTok.". That's awesome. I love that, man. No, and I'm glad you shared that. I think. it's so important to take these breaks. to to disconnect, to be present. But we. end every interview with the final five.

And these are fast five, so one word to. one sentence maximum. So you got to be on your toes, which. you're very good at. So here are your. final five, Jorgeness. The first question is what is the best. advice you've ever received? There's a. lot. I mean, I think this has been. essential for. growing up. Our dad always said live. like you're at the bottom bottom even if. you're at the top. Not saying I'm at the top and I never. was, but I. I think I've gotten. to a place where I could be feeling.

myself and that's been that brought you. know full circle back to humble. beginning conversation. That's a great. piece of advice. All right, we've never. had that on the show. I love it. Question number two, what's the worst. advice you've ever heard? This isn't. going to hurt and then I got my first. tattoo. That's true. Yeah, yeah, that was bad. advice. I like that. All right, question. number three, what's something you used. to value that you don't value anymore? And maybe it's just for the time being, but social media. I mean, I I've taken. this break, I realized it's really. needed for my life. Yeah, yeah. Taking a. little time off and.

just nice to be aware and present. And. so I thought that was like that's. 40 minutes of my day in the day just. scrolling myself to bed, you know, to. bed. And being like, now I'm dreaming. about goats laughing on a mountain. Why? Um great dream. But you know, it's like. can just go to bed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's huge. That's. a huge one. Or wake up and not feel like. anxiety from seeing some craziness. It's. just nice to be like present and aware. Or being like jealous you're not.

somewhere in the world with these people. that you that you sometimes see. You're. like, okay, I'm with myself or my. friends, people that I love. It's quite. nice. That's a beautiful answer, beautiful description. All right, question number four is how would you. define your current purpose? I think to. just be. open to learning. and growing. I think I'm. realized that what I do is. really incredible cuz I can make people. feel a certain way and conduct a crowd.

in a sense and I'm. one of many but few that get that. opportunity. and um. I know how. how great of an opportunity that is and. so Yeah. Um I think my purpose is to. make people feel Yeah. hopefully good. Definitely. at times with the song. Yeah. Definitely good. Definitely good. Uh fifth and final question, if you. could create one law that everyone in. the world had to follow, what would it. be? Be nicer to everyone. Be nicer to people. Yeah. We definitely.

need that. We do. We definitely need. that. Joe, you're the man. Jay, thank you. You're the man. much for doing this, man. I'm so. grateful. No, I'm so grateful you did this. Um I know we could go on for. We could talk for hours. days. We have a lot we could This is one. of 10. This is This is the first time. This is just the first one. You can come. on anytime you want. Yeah. I would love. to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You would You got. to come on anytime you want. I'm so. grateful you came on. I wanted to. document this chapter of our journey. together, too. And so that every time we. can do it and look back and.

Yeah. I watched a little screening of. it. Remember when? Yeah. Why was I. wearing that? Yeah. I don't know. Maybe I'll say that, not. you. But I love that. Thank you, man. Thank. you so much. Everyone who's been. listening and watching back at home, I. hope you enjoyed this episode. I think. there were so many great insights, exercises, tips from Joe. I want to make. sure that you Joe's not on social media, but you can tag him anyway so that he. knows when he comes back. me. Somebody will show me. Uh but please tag Joe and I on TikTok, on Instagram, on Twitter, whatever. you're using so that we can see what you. learned, what you took away, what you're.

practicing. I hope that you're going to. put some of these great insights and. tips into practice for yourself. And I. hope you got to know Joe a little more. deeply and. a little more through my lens and. through my eyes in the way that I've got. to know him. So thank you so much for. listening and watching. I hope you share. this with a ton of friends. And a big. thank you to Joe and a big thank you to. each and every one of you. Thank you, man. If If want even more videos just. like this one, make sure you subscribe. and click on the boxes over here. I'm. also excited to let you know that you. can now get my book Think Like a Monk.

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