Joe Dispenza: You've Been Programmed To Stay BROKE, STUCK & EXHAUSTED - Here's How To Break It!

Most people lose their free will. to those programs. And it's that. uncompromising will where you keep. training the animal to stay, to get. beyond all the cravings, feelings, the. habits of the body, and catch yourself. the best-selling author and host. the number one health and wellness. podcast. On Purpose with Jay Shetty. I think the most beautiful and powerful. thing in the world is a repetitive. thought. But sometimes the most dangerous thing. in the world is a repetitive thought.

Absolutely. And we think about the most. beautiful things we create is because. we're obsessed with this new idea and. this new thought that we want to build. something, but at the same time we know. countless people who they have a thought. every day that says I'm unlovable. I'm. unworthy. I don't deserve love in my. life. If someone's having a negative. repetitive thought, specifically around. self-worth, what they believe they.

deserve in love, where do they start. with that thought? Well, we think. primarily 90% of the time we think the. same thoughts as we thought the day. before. The challenge with that is the thought. that you keep thinking over and over. again becomes a belief. And nerve cells. that fire together wire together. So, the more nerve cells fire, the more they. develop long-term relationships and the. more hardwired they become, the more. hardwired they become, the more. automatic they are. The more automatic. they are, the more unconscious they. become.

So, the process of change really. requires becoming conscious of your. unconscious thoughts, which means just. because you have that thought. doesn't necessarily mean it's the truth. If you have that thought and you accept. it, you believe it, you surrender to it. without analyzing it, that thought will. lead to the same choice, which will lead. to the same behavior, which will create. the same experience, which then will. produce the same emotion. The same. emotions then drive our very same. thoughts. In time our biology, our neural. circuitry, our neural chemistry, our.

hormones, and even our gene expression. stays the same because we're the same. So, in the process of change, when you. come up against that unconscious belief. and you make it conscious, most people. get uncomfortable. uh when they confront that thought. And. they're stopping an automatic process. And the body, which has been conditioned. to be the mind because it's doing. something over and over again, that's a. habit, is craving the experience because it. wants the emotion associated with it, right? So, the thought of being unworthy.

produces the feeling. of being unworthy. That feeling then, when the person feels unworthy, tends to. cause the person to think more unworthy. thoughts. It only takes a thought and a. feeling, an image of yourself and an emotion, a. stimulus and response, and you can condition the body to. memorize that behavior and that. emotional state better than the. conscious mind. So, the moment we inhibit that thought, or. the moment we become conscious of it, we. no longer accept it,

there's a biological craving that takes. place in the body because. the body has been conditioned to be the. mind. So, the body starts influencing. the mind to think more corresponding. thoughts equal to that feeling. So, here. comes the assault. Now, you're not only. unworthy, you're you're everything else. that goes along with that feeling. And this is where uh people have to make. up their mind if they truly want to. change because. if you decide to confront that thought. and make a different choice, get ready. because you're going to feel.

uncomfortable. It's going to feel. unfamiliar. And it's going to There's. going to be some uncertainty cuz you're. stepping out of familiar territory. Now, you're stepping out of the known. and you're stepping into the unknown. Now, this is really when you leave the. bleachers and you get on the playing. field because. the brain immediately looks around in. its environment to see if anything's. changing because you're changing and you. see that nothing in your world is. changing because you actually haven't. fully changed yet. So, the moment we. look for evidence in our life and we.

don't see it, sooner or later most people accept that. thought which leads to the same choice. which creates the same behavior which. creates the same experience that. produces the same feeling then they say, "Oh, this feels right to me." No, that. feels familiar cuz you've just returned. back to the known self. I think that when people truly want to. make up their mind to change. and they become so conscious. of those unconscious thoughts, they. would never go unconscious to them.

again. That's the moment the body is being. reconditioned to a new mind. If you inhibit that choice that leads to. that habit or that behavior, a habit is when you've done something so. many times the body knows how to do it. better than the brain. Now, you're. stopping the body from being on. its automation, on autopilot. And if the body's craving the feeling of. unworthiness and you're stopping the. body from feeling that way and you're. aware. in your life how you speak,

you're aware in your life how you're. feeling, and you're checking in you're saying, "Do I really want to feel this way?". This is. that river of change where you're going. from the old self to the new self. So, it makes sense then if those principles. in biology work in that way, they could. actually work in our favor. So, if you. said, "Okay, I'm going to sit down for a. few minutes. I'm going to become so. conscious of my unconscious self, my. unconscious personality that victory. today. would not be going unconscious to those. thoughts, behaviors, and emotions. Okay,

let me get so familiar with them that I. don't go unconscious. Okay, I got that. down.". Now, what what thoughts do I want to. fire and wire in my brain? And if a. belief is a thought that you keep. thinking over and over again with. intention. and with attention, you'll switch on. that prefrontal cortex and assign. meaning to the act and start installing. new circuits in your brain. If you keep doing it over and over. again, it becomes more hardwired. It. becomes more automatic. And now you're.

installing a new belief that you are. worthy of love. You are worthy of. abundance. You are worthy to heal. Whatever that is. That's the thought you. do want to believe in. And when it matters the most is when. it's the hardest. Because if you don't have the circuitry. in place, you'll default back to the old. programs, right? So then. if you said, "How am I going to be in. my Zoom calls today? How am I going to. be in traffic today? How am I going to. be with my ex, my co-workers?" Uh.

and you started thinking about and. rehearsing. how you were going to act in certain. situations. The brain actually doesn't know the. difference between the real-life. experience and what you're imagining. The research on mental rehearsal shows. that the brain will look like in time. that it's already had the experience and. it's vacant of the experience. Now, keep. firing and wiring those circuits and. you're going to begin to behave that. way. So now, you're installing circuitry now. to use in your life to get your. behaviors to match your intentions. If.

you said, "How would it feel to feel. worthy of love? How would it feel to be. grateful for life? How would it feel to. be worthy of abundance?". And you said, "I'm going to teach my. body emotionally. what this feels like before the. manifestation of the event. You're not. waiting for your life to change to feel. worthy. You're actually changing your. life by becoming worthy. You're. generating abundance. You're generating. love. You're creating an elevated. emotion.". Now, our data is so compelling because.

when you truly begin to elevate your. emotional state and you could really. lock in, you know, to those elevated. emotions, your body is so objective. that it actually believes that it's. living in a whole new environment. before the environment changes. In other. words, the body's believing it's in that. new future. And if the environment signals the gene, and it does, and the end product of an experience in. the environment is an emotion,

you're actually signaling genes ahead of. the environment, and your body will. begin to become conditioned to a new. mind. Now, think about this. If you did that every day, the word. meditation literally means become. familiar with. You become familiar with your old self. You become familiar with your new self, and you say, "I'm not getting up. until I feel this feeling.". And then you'd say, "I want to be able. to bring this feeling up whenever I. want. I'm going to keep remembering this. feeling over and over again." It only. takes a thought and a feeling,

an image of the future, an emotion, a. stimulus and response, that you can. condition your body. to believe it's living in a whole new. life. And when you feel the emotions of. your future, something amazing happens. You're no longer in lack or separation, so you're no longer looking for the. event to take away that feeling of lack. or separation. Your body's actually. believing it's in the event. And so then, you're not looking for it, you feel like it's already happened. Get. ready, because that's when your life. begins to change. And so,

we've discovered that if. you're actually practicing this, and you immersed yourself in that. experience fully for 7 days, the amount of. metabolic and biological changes that. will take place in your body. will be so significant that your body. will actually believe it's living in. that future. And yet, most of the people that come to our. workshops are literally in a ballroom. There's nothing really exciting. happening in the environment, but their. body's believing they're living in a. whole new life. And so, one thought.

leads to a choice, which leads to. behavior, which creates It's experience. that produces an emotion. So, then new. information, new knowledge begins to. cause you to think differently. If you can remember that knowledge and. begin to make a different choice because. you want to experience the truth of that. information, you'll have to behave differently. And. when the experience occurs and you feel. the feeling of your abundance or wealth, I guarantee you you're going to continue. wanting to make the process of change.

something consistent in your life. This. is why I love talking to you. I mean, that literally could just Well, you just. said there, I hope everyone listens to. it again and again and again. And. partly, I think there's something to be. said for that. The best things that have rewired my. brain and my mind were things that I. repeated daily. I took something that I. love listening to or loved learning or. reading a paragraph of a book, and I. would literally just reprogram myself by. giving that to my mind every single day. Yeah. And as I'm listening to you talk,

I I think there's a few really powerful. things I wanted to pull out. Uh when I. lived as a monk and studied the Vedas, they would talk about thoughts in. different modes. And there are three. modes, the mode of ignorance, the mode. of passion, and the mode of goodness. And there's a hierarchy to those. thoughts. And so, the mode of ignorance would be. an unfulfilling. thought or a completely fear- or. insecurity-based thought, which would be. I am not worthy or I am unlucky and I.

can't do that. I can't be in love. No. one can be in love with me. That's like. a mode of ignorance thought. A mode of. passion thought would be I can be in. love with anyone I want, and I can find. anything, and uh. it's it's almost like you know you're. lying to yourself and you haven't really. you haven't really applied what you're. saying, and it's just this big bold. statement, but it doesn't quite sit and. resonate. And the mode of goodness thought is I. can take steps daily. to create love in in life right now.

And And you start to see how people. would often look at what we're saying. and they think, "Oh, it's just positive. thinking." It isn't. It's not It's not. just a false statement. What you're. saying is what you two words you used, intention and attention, you're actually being conscious about. where that intention and the attention. is being placed. You're intending that. if I do something every day and I place. my attention on XYZ, then I can create. this new reality for myself. Whenever I have a tough conversation. coming up, a tough meeting, something.

difficult, I'll rehearse it in my head. and you're so right that you can prepare. for the future. Even when I do skydiving. or if I'm sitting in a cold plunge, I'm. preparing my mind before I even do it. There's no point of just jumping in and. diving in. I think what's really interesting is. that partly a lot of the anxiety and. stress we feel is because we kind of. hope that we'll never feel anxiety and. stress again. So, there's a sense of like, "Okay, I. can get to a place where I never.

experience anxiety." I I almost think. that that sets us up to be more hurt by. the anxiety and inevitable uncertainty. we'll feel. I would love to hear your. thoughts. Gosh, so that made me love to respond to. this. I got three thoughts going on at. the same time. Do it. So, so to fulfill. the first part of that question, it's an experiment. All right? It's an experiment. Life is. an experiment. So, if your personality creates your. personal reality, and your personality is made up of how. you think,

how you act, and how you feel, if you. keep thinking the same way, you keep. acting the same way, you keep feeling. the same way, your life is going to stay. the same because you're the same. So, the experiment is, okay, let me. begin to think differently. So, I got to. remind myself how I do want to think, and I have to remind myself of how I no. longer want to think, so I don't default. and go unconscious. Let me remind myself how I'm going to. behave so that I could actually get my. behaviors to match my intentions, and. let me remind myself of how I'm going to. feel if I'm able to succeed in that day,

then there should be some change in my. life. This is the experiment. And and. and if it doesn't change, that doesn't. mean the law doesn't work for you. It's. just you're not that good yet. It's just. you just got to keep practicing, right? So, the act of disconnecting from your life. long enough to remind yourself of who. you do want to be and who you no longer. want to be, that experiment then is the. experiment called life. Now, it's not that you react. The question is how long are you going. to react? That's the real question. Because I mean, I react all the time. I.

mean, everybody does. But if you're going to. stay there. and you're going to live in that. emotional state, you will see life. through that lens of that emotion, right? So, now it gets complicated. because the stronger the emotion you. feel towards certain people or problems. in your life, the more you pay attention to them. And. where you place your attention is where. you place your energy. So, from a purely biological as well as. quantum state, we could say then. you're using that person.

or that circumstance to reaffirm your. dependence on feeling that emotion. So, you have to hate your enemy. And if your enemy dies, you'll find. another person to hate because that is. that is the response, right? So, the. body. is is the animal. It's been conditioned. a certain way, and it's and if it's been. doing something and feeling something. for an extended period of time, there's. a modification of its receptor sites. It's it's needing those emotional. states. So, in the process of change,

just be ready because you're going to. feel uncomfortable a lot of the time. Now, the question is. do you want to stay there? So, then most. people think they they don't have any. control over their emotional state. They. think, "I'm just this way, and I feel. this way." Well, we we actually can show people that. that's not the truth, that. when it's the hardest, it matters the. most. And if you're able to really work. and train your body like you're training. an animal.

to stop feeling one way and start. feeling another way. If you believe that. you're an eternal being, let's just say. that I mean just most religions talk. about we're eternal. And most sects of. thought, only a few that don't. Whether. you're going to heaven or hell or. nirvana or on the wheel, you're pretty. much going to be around for a long time. That That moment matters so much in the. light of eternity because that's the. moment you make up your mind to no. longer be defined by your past.

Why are you being defined by your past? Because emotions are a record of the. past. And so then if you're feeling that. emotion, your body is believing it's. back in that same experience of the. past. So, the more knowledge that we have and. understanding. that justified. valid or not, those emotions are hurting. no other person but you because. the long-term effects of living by those. emotional states, those survival states, are actually down-regulating genes and.

creating diseases. Sooner or later, you're going to have to ask yourself, is. this loving to myself? And forgiveness is just when you. overcome the emotion, you take your. attention off that person or that. problem and you're you're freeing. yourself and you're freeing them. So, people do the best with what they. think is available. That's my belief. And if you're unaware that you can. control your emotional states, you'll. rely on something outside of you to do. that, whether it's a. computer game, whether it's a Netflix. show, whether it's a drug, whatever.

whatever it is that you need to make. that feeling go away, you're dependent. on your outer world. And I think that's. a hypnosis. That's a conditioning. Teach. people that you can actually regulate. and change your emotional states, you. give them the tools to literally step. into a new future. So, that process, of. course, is extremely uncomfortable. And. And it is the question is, how long. are you going to stay in that emotional. state? And 50% of the story. that most people tell about that past. experience isn't even the truth. Cuz.

they're making things up, and they're. doing that so that they can justify why. they haven't changed since some past. event. Most people reach a point in their life. where they reach crisis or disease or. diagnosis or loss or betrayal where they. finally go, "Gosh, I it's time to. change.". I think change is an ongoing process, and the more we change, the more we. should see evidence in our life. That. makes it exciting. Yeah, and I I think. you're right that. I I've thought about this for a while. that I feel.

most people know that they want to. change. And most people know what they want to. change, but they still struggle to make. a change. And so, I found that we don't. often have a values crisis, we have a. habits crisis because people don't know. how to reprogram their habits, and. they've started to assume that the way. they feel is who they are. And. I wonder how you think about this. because I think we're living at a time. where what you just said is like you.

either kind of find a way to numb your. feelings, so you're turning towards. something external to numb how you feel. Or today we're being told, "Well, feel. every feeling and emotion completely.". And then often we don't kind of get to. the reprogramming phase. So, I guess how. do you know how how long to take a. feeling seriously, effectively, and. assessing it before you kind of take. action on it? Feelings and emotions are. the end product of past experiences, and.

we can remember experiences better. because we can remember how they feel. The stronger the emotion we have to some. experience in our life, the more altered. we are inside of us. The more the brain freezes a frame and. takes a snapshot. And that's called a long-term memory. That That image is being bossed. neurologically in the brain. So then, what most people don't know is that. every time they remember that event, that trauma, that betrayal, that loss, whatever it is, they're producing the. same chemistry in their brain and body.

as if the event is occurring. So, what. happens over time is that conditioning. process conditions the body to literally. live in the past. So, if a person is living by the same. familiar feeling every single day, whether it's guilt or unworthiness, or. pain, or suffering, or victimization, or. depression, or whatever it is, it's so. important for them to come right up. against. that emotional state because they're. coming up against the known. The. question fundamentally becomes for that.

person, is it possible then to feel a. different feeling? Now, if you cannot. feel a different feeling other than the. feeling that you're used to feeling, it should tell you volumes about that. feeling cuz it's going to influence your. very same thoughts. So, the research. that we've done over and over again is. that the the on- only way you're. actually going to reprogram your brain. to work in your favor. is you got to learn how to regulate your. brain waves. And you know this, of.

course. Beta brain wave patterns are thinking. brain wave patterns. It's the analytical. mind. It's our critical facilities. The. We're in beta right now. We're aware of. our bodies. We're aware of the. environment. We're aware of time. The. neocortex is switched on. It's what. plugs us into three-dimensional reality. It's the seat of the autobiographical. self. There's a lot of circuits in there. from things you've learned. intellectually and things you've. experienced in your life. So, for the most part, it's a repository of. the past, right? And so, 90% of those.

thoughts that we think being the same. thoughts as the day before tend to. become like automatic programs. And they. become more subconscious and more. unconscious. So, in order for us to. begin to change those programs, we got. to get into the operating system. And only way we do that is we got to. slow our brain waves down. in that thinking neocortex. The. challenge for most people is. they have so many demands in their life. They have so many emotional responses to. circumstances in their life that they're.

living in a state of stress and living. in a state of survival and state of. stress and survival you don't close your. eyes. You got to keep your eye on the. ball. You got to keep your attention on. the outer environment. So, uh their brains tend to work in a higher. brain wave pattern of mid-range or. high-level beta brain wave pattern. And. that's like driving your sports car in. first gear. It's it's a lot of energy. for the brain. So, so learning how to regulate and slow. your brain waves down is something that. we've been very, very interested in. When you teach people.

how to do that, it could become a skill. And. uh when the brain starts to relax and it. moves into less of that chatter that. takes place in your brain and more of. kind of an imaginary state, the brain. sees in pictures and images. It's more. creative. We're moving into that alpha. state. So, now the door between the. conscious mind. and the subconscious mind opens up as we. get beyond our analytical mind. And our. analytical mind is actually what. separates the conscious mind from the. subconscious mind. So, as you slow your.

brain waves down and you get into alpha, you're entering the operating system. And that's where you can rewrite a new. program. That's where you can rehearse a. new script. That's where you can. begin to plan your behaviors in a in a. in an intentional way. If you if you can't change your brain. waves, then it's like your computer. running amok with all those programs and. you yelling at it telling it to stop. You're not in the operating system. Some. people can get to the point where. they're so relaxed.

that the body's in a light sleep. and yet they're conscious and awake and. now they're in this theta brain wave. pattern. And in theta, that's a hypnotic. state. We're very suggestible to our. thoughts. We're very suggestible to information in. that state. And that state then is where. we see the most change take place. And. so, the person can literally change from. the inside out when they learn how to. get into the operating system. You've. just hit the nail on the head with the. constant experience everyone has to.

think again going back to what I was. saying that when we're trying to make a. change the thing that blocks us from. making the change is usually stress. If I'm trying to be a kind, loving, compassionate person, but I'm stressed. out, I'm likelier to be snappy and rude. and condescending. If I'm trying to be. healthier in my diet, but I'm stressed. out or burned out, I'm going to reach. for the sugary food or the carbs and the. fat. Like that doesn't come from. anything else but stress. To take away. the feeling. To take away the feeling.

away the feeling, right? So, let's get. real clear because I think it's. important for people to understand when. we're talking about stress and we're. talking about living in survival, it's. so important to name those emotions. Because anger and frustration and. control. and hatred and envy and jealousy and. insecurity and unworthiness and guilt. and shame and suffering and depression, those are all derived. Those are. emotions that are derived from the.

hormones of stress and psychology calls. those normal states of consciousness. Those are altered states of. consciousness. Because in stress the. physiology is that we're knocked out of. homeostasis. We're knocked out of. balance because we're perceiving some. threat, some danger, some emergency. And so, the stronger the emotion you. feel to. whatever stressor there is in your life. the more you pay attention to it. And. so, in time then, you have to keep your. attention on all the important elements. in your life. So, you sit down to do a.

meditation, and when you're living in. stress and you're living in survival, there's only three things that are. important in that moment. Your attention. is on your body because you got to. preserve it. Your attention is on. something in your environment. And. what's in your environment? People, objects, things, places, and you're very. preoccupied with time. And when you're. in stress and you're in survival, the brain goes into a default mode, and. it's naturally trying to predict the. next moment based on what it's learned.

in the past. And so, as you always try. to forecast the future based on your. memory of the past, you can't be in the. present moment, right? So, and yet our our model of change, what we. discovered is that the only way a person. can change is when they get beyond their. body, they get beyond all the elements of. their environment, and they get beyond. that predictable future and familiar. past, and they sink into the present. moment, which is the unknown. So, if you can't do that because of the. hormones of stress, most people will sit.

down and they'll say, "Okay, I'm going. to close my eyes. I'm going to start. this process where I'm going to rehearse. how I'm going to be today." And they. start thinking about their cell phone. They start thinking about all their. emails. And they start thinking, "I. can't meditate. There's something wrong. with me. It's my mother's fault, you. know." And they actually believe that. thought to be the truth. And then they. get up and they say actually reaffirm. it, and they say, "I can't meditate." Now, I can tell you that if you are willing. to see that. thought as just a thought in your brain,

and you're curious what's on the other. side of that thought, yeah, you're going to feel. uncomfortable. But if you had some tools and skills to. apply, and you were able to take your. attention off your cell phone and settle. your body back down into the present. moment, that would be a victory. And then your body would say, "Come on. You got to feel a little frustration. Now, you got to be impatient. You got to. be judgmental. Come on, that's how you. always think. That's how you always. feel. And you're like an animal.

You settle the body back down into the. present moment and you tell it it's no. longer the mind that you're the mind. That's a victory. Then the body says, "Hey dude, you're. super busy. You got a lot of things to. do. You got a lot of people to see. You. got a lot of places to go. You got a lot. of things to do and you've been doing. the same thing every day." Your body's. going to want to get up. and do something. You're going to want to quit cuz your. brain's telling you that you can't do. this. If you had the awareness to settle the.

body. back down into the present moment, you. would be executing a will. that's greater than the program cuz most. people lose their free will to those. programs. And it's that tedium. in the beginning that is an. uncompromising will. where you keep training the animal. to stay. To take all of its attention off the. environment. To get beyond all the cravings, the. feelings, the habits of the body, the. drives of the body.

And catch yourself defaulting to that. predictable future, bringing your body. back into the present moment, siphoning. energy back your attention into the past. based on those familiar emotions of the. past. We've discovered that if you're. willing to do that. for just a few days, you could actually. liberate an enormous amount of energy. from your body. You go from particle. to wave. From matter to energy and. you're literally transmuting those. limited emotions into elevated emotions.

and something really beautiful happens. if you're willing to fire the crucible. and sit through that long enough, all of these. emotions move that energy moves right up. into the heart and the person starts. falling in love with life. They start. feeling this. state of gratitude, this gratefulness to. be alive, this. ineffable word of. relaxed and awake. And something really magical happens.

when we've discovered uh this little. simple thing. When that energy makes it to the heart, there's only one place it wants to go. And it goes straight to the brain. So, the person starts relaxing into. their heart when they feel this feeling. And the more they relax into the heart, the more their brain all of a sudden. starts becoming aroused. And they start going into these elevated. gamma brain wave patterns. Now, gamma. is not unconscious. Gamma is actually.

superconscious. It's actually super. aware. You're outside the program now. So, when that occurs and the brain goes. into gamma brain wave patterns, what we discovered is not It's not a. little gamma. It's not a lot of gamma. It's not a whole lot of gamma. It's a. supernatural. amount of gamma. And we start seeing. these brain waves where we see theta. start carrying alpha. And alpha starts. resonating with beta and beta starts.

creating high beta and high beta starts. creating gamma. And you see these. standing waves of brain coherence. happening. And the person feels so amazing that. they don't want the moment to end. And so, we see. when they put their attention on their. heart like. like filling a gas tank, we see on the. gauge of the on the scan this very low. frequency start rising in the heart. The. The energy that's the heart uses to to.

function actually goes up because. they're placing their attention there. And where they place their attention is. where they place their energy. And then. you see the parasympathetic nervous. system come up with it. That's the. nervous system of relaxation. And then we see it kind of drop. And we see the sympathetic nervous. system starting to go up. And now, sympathetic regulation is in arousal, right? But the arousal is in fear. The arousal isn't hatred or aggression. The arousal isn't pain. That's the.

arousal created from survival. There's. only one other arousal, and that's. ecstasy. That's bliss. And the person. all of a sudden feels connected. to something greater. Now, here's the. beauty. We we we could see people do. this in 15 minutes. The most important takeaway. around all of this is that feeling that. they're feeling. is not coming from. anywhere outside of them. No person's. doing that. No wardrobe change is doing that. No.

sports car, don't. football game, nothing is doing it to. them. It's actually coming from within. That is the moment they stop looking for. it. outside of them, and the love affair. begins. And so, when we start feeling these elevated. emotions, these more selfless emotions, it's not like you have to. try to forgive. It actually is the side. effect of you changing your emotional. state. You no longer want. uh because you feel so whole,

how could you want anything? So, we. we we started interviewing people when. they had these moments, and and they had. such an. incredible amount of love that they. felt. They We measured their oxytocin. levels, their love chemicals were very. elevated. Uh the the amount of gamma in terms of. coherence. was 200, 300, 400 standard deviations. outside of normal in coherent gamma. Now, three standard deviations outside. of normal in gamma is about 2% of the.

population. 200, 300, 400 a lot of. energy in the brain. So, the brain, all. of a sudden, is receiving an enormous amount of. energy. So, we've discovered relaxed in. the heart. and awaken the brain. And that process. of transformation is your willingness to. sit. past that thought, past that emotion, keep training the animal, and sooner or. later you can re- recondition it to a. new mind. And the system for this new. mind and this. journey that you're talking about is.

meditation. And this is coming through a. meditative practice. Is that similar to the breathwork. meditation practice that you just did. research on, or is that totally. separate? These Wow. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, so, um, our week-long events are uh a. fully immersion experience. We've done. the largest studies on meditation that. have ever been done just because we have. a community of 1,800 people that come to. an event that are going to be getting up. at the same time, doing the same thing, uh pretty much eating making the same. food choices, and pretty much.

a big laboratory, right? And so, our. discoveries in working with. 1,800 people in in measuring brain waves. uh be- uh their brain function be-. before and after the event, um measuring. their gene expression before and after. the event. We're measuring. uh 2,882 metabolites in their blood. We're measuring DNA expression. We're. measuring urine. We're measuring saliva. We're measuring. uh the energy of the room. We're.

measuring everything. And meditation. in a sense that it's not in the. traditional way. Um, what we do is we look at what really. works. You know, we're actually looking to say, "Well, that's something that we can. actually see it changing." So, we teach. meditation three ways: to become. familiar with your old self and to. become familiar with your new self. That's what the word meditation means, familiarization, to become familiar. with. So, we use that model for change. To slow your brainwaves down and get. beyond your analytical mind is. meditation. And you teach your body how. to do that, and we've discovered a.

formula that that simply makes it very. easy for people to do it. You practice. it, you'll get good at it just like. anything else you practice. So so to get beyond the analytical mind. there's another way to reprogram. ourselves and then meditation is really. about getting beyond your body. or disconnecting from your body, disconnecting from your environment, and. forgetting about time. And. that is that eye of the needle where we. begin to make the most significant. changes. So we're data-driven, you know, we're we're really looking to see what.

it is and and when we see brains respond. in the same way it helps me. enormously to teach the material better. And so. the more people understand what they're. doing. and the more they understand why they're. doing it, the more naturally the how. becomes easier and nothing is left to. conjecture. If nothing is left to superstition or. dogma or even in spiritual. Mhm. you know, traditional words. Use science as the contemporary language.

to demystify that process. You need to give new people numerous. times to overcome themselves and. numerous times to connect. Sooner or. later you'll start watching. transformation right before your eyes. And so one of the cool things that we've. discovered is that we have so much. compelling data to suggest that you're. greater than you think, more powerful than you know, more. unlimited than you could ever dream. We. have compelling data to suggest that. your nervous system. is the greatest pharmacist in the world,

that it makes. drugs that work better than any drug in. a drugstore. A drug study is about 18 to. 25% cause and effect causality. Our data is between 75 and 85% cause and. effect. This is a person creating their. own pharmacy of anti-inflammatories, their own pharmacy of anti-carcinogenic. chemicals, their own pharmacy of. pain relievers. So were seeing this over. and over again.

So, we have this incredible data that. says that this is no longer. pseudoscience. This is the real This is really science. The side effect of a person's. transformation. is it has changed my belief. in what's possible. I have seen people. stand on the stage with stage four. cancers that were in every single organ. in their body and that metastasized and. and they have no sign of cancer in their. body. And we have data that suggests. that you put the blood of an advanced. meditator in a uterine cancer cell, a.

pancreatic cancer cell, 70% of the mitochondrial function in the. cancer cells diminished. The. mitochondrias the energy packets of the. cell. It's taking energy out of the. cancer cell. It works perfectly with. what we're seeing with. uh the testimonials that that people are. telling around the world. We've seen. blind people see, we've seen deaf people. hear, we've seen uh people with spinal. cord injuries walk again, we've seen. uh. ALS change, we've seen all kinds of.

unbelievable health conditions change by. a person simply changing the way they. think, the way they act, and the way they feel. How long have you seen certain things. last? Like how much does the practice. have to continue daily. to sustain impact? Because I feel that. you know, this isn't as you know, isn't. a one-off thing and that isn't what. you're encouraging. Like this is the. experience of when someone's coming to a. retreat or an event. They're having this. incredible experience, but then do you.

measure how people continue to practice. and take away Yeah. It's super important for us. Um. uh and then of course we have mounds of. data, but let's see if I can say this. as as clear as I possibly can. When a person has that arousal. where they're feeling that elevated. emotion. and their their eyes are closed, They're in a room with 1,800 people. There's music playing in the background. They're not eating. They're not. smelling. They're not tasting. They're. not moving about and feeling.

On some level, they're having an inner. experience, right? And the body is so objective that it's. literally believing it's living in a new. environment. And so that elevated. emotion somehow tends to drag the body. right out of the past into the present. moment. So many people with. uh everything from eczema to muscular. dystrophy, when they have those events, there's a biological change that takes.

place in their body where they feel. completely differently. Now, some people. heal all the way. Some people are out of their wheelchair. and they're walking again, but they're. limping. And it doesn't mean it's over. It just. means they made contact where they. they hit gold. And so there's varying. degrees that we see. We've seen people. for 7 years work on a terminal health. condition. Took them 7 years to heal. that health condition. Some people it. takes 2 years, 3 years. Some people they.

do it in 3 months. We There's no uh. predictable menu that we can say it's. this way. Now, when people have those. more profoundly aroused states, it seems. like uh their change is much more. immediate and much more permanent. Uh but for the most part, we see. people's response pretty dramatic. Now, it's also important to say that we have. seen people heal. from from terminal cancers,

stop. feeling those elevated emotions and. returned. to responding to the circumstances and. conditions in their life and returned. back to the same personality. The same personality is the same. personal reality. And their body's believing it's living. in that same environment and they're. feeling the same way, and they're in the. habit of acting the same way, and. thinking the same way, and lo and. behold, the condition returns. Um. We've seen people heal themselves of. Parkinson's disease more than once.

Have one response. to some very serious event in their life. that produced a very strong emotion. And. in 1 hour, their condition returned. Mhm. Because they literally went back to. their old self, and we've seen that. person turn around and reverse the. condition again. Again, people do the. best with what they think is available. The person standing on the stage. whose we've had numerous physicians and. researchers stand on the stage, they're. the 4-minute mile. Mhm. They're telling the community,

"I'm the example of truth. Uh this is no longer philosophy. This is. no longer theory. Here's my scans. I We. had someone with bilateral breast cancer. just recently. Uh. no evidence of cancer in her breasts or. any lymph nodes, no longer in her liver. I'm looking out at the audience, and. everybody's leaning in. There's the 4-minute mile, and that. person's telling the truth, and they're. they're telling a story, and it's not. pretty. It's not always uh rosy. They. they went through a lot of dark nights.

They went through a lot of their. condition getting worse, but every day. they had to show up for themselves. If. they stopped showing up. and doing the work, they would really. not believe it was possible. But if they showed up and did the work, it means they they believe it's. possible. And I think when you believe. in possibility, you got to believe in. yourself. Mhm. And you believe in. yourself, you got to believe in. possibility. So, it used to be a few examples of of that. Now, we have so many great testimonials,

so many great stories, that now people. it's becoming infectious, just like a. virus or any bacteria becomes. infectious. Now, health and wellness. becomes as infectious as disease, and. you get a community of people. uh starting to break through and you. start seeing these changes where people. stand on the stage, invariably, you're going to see a very strong shift. in consciousness, and consciousness is. awareness. And if you're unaware that. you could actually heal yourself, you'll. make the same choice. Once you see it,

uh I think it starts be creating a. brushfire. And And And that's really the. exciting part. So, we've seen so many. great testimonials that are undeniably. uh great stories of transformation, and. many, many of those people still no. longer have their eczema, still no. longer have their Parkinson's, still no. longer have their cancer. Yeah, since. since the last time we spoke, I know. your team of researchers went and did. some work. I wanted to ask you some. questions about this. You did some. research on the impact of 1-minute. breath work. How does this impact our. heart rate variability, and how does HRV.

impact our anxiety? Let's talk about uh. heart rate variability, cuz it's. important thing. So, so, your brain is. trying to control and predict everything. that's taking place in your life, because stress is actually created when. you can't predict something, you can't. control something, or you have the. perception that something's going to get. worse, okay? So, you switch on that. primitive nervous system, the. fight-or-flight nervous system, and as. you shift your attention from one person. to another person, to another thing, to. another place, to another problem, every.

one of those different elements has a. neurological network in your brain. So, the arousal of the hormones that say, "Pay attention, there's danger." As you. start shifting your attention to each. one of these elements that have. neurological networks in your brain, your brain starts firing very. incoherently. And in fact, you could actually, by thinking about your problems, turn on. the stress response just by thought. alone, and that's what most people do. So, now, there you are, you're sitting. in traffic, the heart is pumping because. it's trying to get blood to the.

extremities because a primitive system's. switching on saying that there's there's. a predator, there's danger. And the heart is beating against closed. arteries. And the heart starts beating out of. rhythm, it starts beating out of order, and it starts beating very incoherently. So, when you have incoherence in the brain, and you have incoherence in the heart, when waves are incoherent, when they. intersect with each other, they cancel. each other out. And when they cancel. each other out, that's less energy in. the brain. If there's less energy in the.

brain, you're going to default to some. of those reflexive systems. If energy is diminished in the heart, you're not going to trust. You're not going to be vulnerable. You're not going to want to commune. You're not not going to want to connect. You're not going to want to feel. grateful. It's not a time to feel any of. those things. It's time to run, fight, and hide. Okay, so most people say, "Okay, well, it took I had a stressful day. I was. stressed out the entire day." And at the. end of the day, they turn on the TV and. they they relax. The important thing to write realize is.

that if you're relying on something. outside of you to change that emotional. state, you'll become dependent on it. So, is it possible then to begin to create. more coherence in the brain? And the. answer is yes, because when you're under. the gun of those chemicals of survival, you're narrowing your focus on the. cause. You hear something moving in the. bushes, you freeze, and you narrow your. focus. And it's that narrowing of focus. that tends to be obsessive. When we're. in stress, we overthink things, we. overanalyze. That actually, we've.

discovered, makes the brain worse. And. it actually makes the heart regulate. more out of order. So, then we said, "Okay, if the brain. is narrowing its focus and it's becoming. overattentive, what if we teach it how to do something. else? What if we teach it how to broaden. its focus? And instead of focusing on. something material or something known, just open up and focus on nothing.". And the act of broadening the focus. actually cause a person to stop thinking.

and doing and start sensing and feeling. is actually what starts to slow their. brain waves down. The redundancy of shifting your. attention from one person to another. person to another problem to another. thing. causes the brain to fire like a. lightning storm in the clouds very. incoherently. So, as you start to open. your awareness and sense nothing, we've. we've seen this thousands of times. Those different networks that are firing. out of order start to synchronize. And what syncs in the brain links in the.

brain. And the brain becomes more. orderly. It starts to become more. coherent. If you could learn how to rest your. attention in your heart, and where you. place your attention is where you place. your energy, regulate your breath, start slowing your. breathing down, even if you did it for 1. minute, you could actually begin to change your. brain waves. Mhm. And you could actually. cause your heart to start functioning. more regulation and more order. If you said, "Okay, I'm going to work with my body,

and I'm going to start breathing, and. I'm going to start feeling emotions that. I do want to feel.". Yes, it may take you a few minutes to. get there, but if you keep practicing it. over and over again, the heart starts producing a very. profound signal. It starts to produce an. external magnetic field. It's It's It's. measurable. So, now you have a coherent brain, which. means you can get. very intentional, and you have a coherent heart, which.

means you can feel the emotions of your. future. before it happens. Somehow you have this broadcasting of. this Wi-Fi signal. Uh in the brain tends to be electrical. in nature, so it sends out an electrical. charge into the field. The heart is the. magnetic charge. It's what draws things. to us. It's the It's the magnetic field. And. now, you actually by changing the way you. think and the way you feel, you're. changing the signal in the field. Then,

if you're able to maintain that state. for an extended period of time, I say. something magical is going to happen in. your life. Something unusual, some unknown. experience is going to occur. If you keep thinking the same way and. feeling the same way, your life should. stay the same. So, we do 1-minute. practices, we do 5-minute practices, we. do 30-minute practices. We want to get. so good at doing it with our eyes closed. that we can do it with our eyes open. Yeah, now I when I hear that, like I've.

had. personal genuine experience of that. where I've done that, when I've had when. I'm having a moment where I'm feeling. anxious or I'm feeling stressed or. you know, something unpredictable has. happened and I feel that change in my. heart rate and I notice my breathing. change. I notice it become more shallow. I notice it become more random. I know. that when I'm practicing breathwork, I'm. able to come back to stillness. I'm able. to come back to. that sense of balance and then I'm able. to actually approach the issue at hand.

with more clarity, with more. connectedness and a feeling of. confidence. But when someone else who may not have. had that experience yet or may not be. trained in that, they're just thinking, "Well, how do I solve the problem?". Right? Like they're they're they're. listening to me and you going, "Well, but I can't because I just I need to. solve this problem." Like you're saying, like "I'm going to be 30 minutes late. for a job interview or I just had an. argument with my partner this morning. and I've got a big presentation this.

morning as well at work. Now I'm. stressed about it because I'm thinking. about that or my kid just had got Yeah, I had to rush him to hospital and now. I'm late. Like I guess when you're. looking at it from a very human point of. view, it's really hard to understand the. value in this. What do you say to anyone. who's thinking and feeling that way? Uh. no, I think it's I think it's a. reasonable conversation. know, um uh. sometimes we have to be super aroused. Uh And sometimes we really have to pay. attention. And sometimes there are. threats and dangers where that primitive.

nervous system actually works in our. favor. And and that's the emergency. system. But you got to also realize that. you only have a certain amount of. energy. And if you're living in emergency mode. for an extended period of time, there's. no energy for growth and repair. There's. no energy for long-term building. projects. And so when it's needed. uh and you have to outrun the predator, you go. You don't sit and try to make. friends with the predator. We're not. that good. Yeah, you run, right? The problem is if. you keep that alarm system switched on. all the time, it gets very addictive. It.

gets very addictive, right? And so. I have looked at people's brain scans. uh and watch their brain get worse in. the early days and tap them on the head. and say, "What were you doing in there?". 100% of the time, they were analyzing. the problems in their life within that. disturbing emotion. And if an emotion is a record of the. past and they can't think greater than. how they feel, they're thinking in the. past. There's no solution there. Cross. the river, get beyond the emotion, and.

you'll see possibility because you're no. longer in the box of that emotional. state. Now, that's so much easier said. than done cuz you're going against. thousands of years of programming of. living in survival. I mean, 200 years ago wasn't easy being human. I. mean, we're in survival all the time. I. mean, famine, you know, every disease. I. mean, it was it was hard to be human. And so. we have to lay down the very thing.

we used our whole life to get what we. want for something greater to occur. And. it goes against thousands of years of. programming. It's not something. that you get good at doing once. You got to keep practicing. So so so you. really have two ways to look at it. If. you're if you're living in stress, and. you're living in survival, and that. system is switched on, then everything. will be a threat. Everything will be a danger. Everything. will be a reason to rush, to be. impatient, to be frustrated, to be. judgmental, because that's that's the. consciousness, that's the emotion we're.

living by. So, now you you have a a. problem with a coworker, you have a. problem with your partner, whatever it. is that you use as an example, and you. have to give a presentation. Now Now, you really have one of two choices. You. either be victimized. by those conditions in your life, and. you stay in that emotional state, and. I'll say to you, "Jay, why are you that. way?" Well, I'm this way because of this. person, this circumstance. That person. or circumstance is controlling the way I. feel and the way I think. Anything that. controls the way I feel and the way I. think, I'm victim to, right? Okay. Or I.

actually can be a creator now. Okay. So, when it's the hardest, it matters the. most. Okay. So, there's going to be a. story, a valid story, that's going to go. along with those emotions that you're. going to have to give up, that you can. address at another time from a different. state. If you're altered in that state, and you. say something, you do something, you. write the email, you send the text, you'll always regret it. You'll always. say, "I should have never said that. I. should have never done that." We got to. learn that we're in an altered state at.

that time. So, there's only one of two. choices. You either stay there the whole. day, and tell everybody that story, or you say, "Okay, let me take a moment. Remember that this is the experiment. called life. Okay, let me practice. getting relaxed. Let me slow the animal. down. Let me practice. That would take a few. minutes. Now, let me breathe. Let me get. my state back. Let me change everything. Okay, let me remember who I am, who I. want to be when I open my eyes, and let. me practice that again." Now, even if. you had to do that.

10 times in one day, I would say it was. a day worth living. I would say it was a day worth living. And when we do walking meditations. uh in our our retreats, we're doing. walking meditations so you can practice. doing it with your eyes open. Like if. you're going to be relaxed in your heart. and awake in your brain, and you can do. it with your eyes closed, okay, let's. take it out for a test drive. Yeah. Let. me open my eyes. Let me pay a little bit. more attention to my inner world. Let me. practice feeling this feeling. Let me. practice feeling this way and let my. brain do what it does. Let me get to. finally change my physiology. Let me.

change my state. Let me walk as the. healed person. Let me walk as the. abundant person. Let me walk as if my. prayers are answered. Let me walk in the. state. If I keep practicing that over. and over, it's going to become a habit, right? So So we hit it as many ways as. we can. We have at least. seven or eight different breaths that we. do because we've seen how they all work. in the brain. We have all kinds of meditations. We. have sitting meditations. We have. standing and walking meditations. We. have laying down meditations cuz we want.

you to be able to do it with your eyes. open, with your eyes closed, standing, walking, any way you can, so that you. don't default and return back to that. person. Now, if you do default, you. didn't fail. Mhm. That's a program. You. just went unconscious. And how many. times. do we have to forget. until we stop forgetting and start. remembering? That's the moment of. change. No one No one cares how many. times you fell off the bicycle if you. ride the bicycle now. You ride the bike. So it's it's the constant process. uh every single day. And I think that.

sometimes we look for evidence in our. life. and it hasn't happened, and I think it's. so important that we still show up. Yeah. Yeah, cuz that's the That's where. you're changing the most. And when you. get to that point where you could care. less. if it happens or not cuz you feel so. happy, so grateful for who you are, get. ready because your life is going to. begin to change in magical ways. I'm so. proud of our community, not because they. do the work every day, not because. they're trying to be good or please.

anybody. They do it cuz they don't want. the magic Yeah. to really end. You know, the experiment is too good. It's They. don't They're going to continue to be a. creator in their life. So then, when. they change the way they feel and the. way they think and they start seeing. evidence in their life, they're going to remember what they did. inside of them to produce that outcome. and they're going to believe they're. creator of their life and less of the. victim of their life and that's. empowerment. Yeah. And you can't take. that away from anybody. You can't tell. me now you're too sick to do that. You. can't tell me you're too old to do that. You can't tell me you had a horrible.

past, you're too out of shape. You can't. even tell me that you never meditated. before because we have people that come. and they know nothing to get dragged by. somebody and they have the most profound. experience because they're not expecting. anything and we have data to suggest. that when you don't expect anything, you're going to have a profound moment. So, everybody can do it. There's nobody. that's so special to be excluded from. this process and we have had people that. have had brutal pasts. with abuse, with trauma. We We've seen.

Navy SEALs and prisoners with horrible, horrible memories. uh literally transformed, literally. transformed uh in 7 days and I could say. right now that you make the time. every single day to decide who you're. going to present to the world and you. get up as that person. You're going to. fall a lot of times, but sooner or. later, once you start to change, it's. pretty hard to go back. Yeah, I think we. so easily forget that anything that. we've achieved today, any place we've. got to was a commitment to refining the.

process. It was a disciplined effort to. make a tiny improvement on something. else. When you give the cycle example, the bike example, the idea that you got. back up and you maybe changed one thing. You knew to shift your balance. differently. You knew to pedal at a. different pace. Like you tried these. different things and it's what you're. saying that it's an experiment. If we. keep trying the same thing, we get the. same result. But the point that I loved. that you brought up to that answer.

was the idea that sometimes you do need. to be an emergency, but don't make. emergency a habit. Exactly. And I think that's where most. of us veer off on the wrong path. I was. asked recently I Anyone who knows me. today knows that I'm a hard-working, productive, high-performance type of. individual. I live a very scheduled life. and a and a disciplined life. And the. biggest question I get around the. holidays is, "Jay, are you able to. switch off?". And I always go back and give the credit. to my to my monk training and say, "I.

switch off immediately.". Uh as soon as I'm on the flight home, I. was I I remember before Christmas I was. I was getting on a flight home back to. London and I was off the moment I. stepped onto the flight. And it was. because I was It's not because I'm. special or because I'm unique or I have. superpowers. It's because I've simply. done what you said where it's I've. trained myself to always be present. And. so if I'm really present in my work like. I am with you now, then when I'm on the. plane, I'm just present and I know that. it's time to switch off. And so.

I I think the idea that our presence. bleeds and our lack of presence bleeds. And it's not that you can selectively be. in emergency here and not in emergency. here. The state you're feeling is going. to spread across your whole life. Like I. know a lot of people who are high. performance and and I've had to be. mindful of this as well. It's like. they're high performance at work, but. then they take that high performance and. they give it to their family. And now. their family is getting a high. performance dad and they don't want.

that. They just want their dad or they. want their mom. And so how do we develop. that? I guess that's a highly trained. ability is is what you're saying is we. get the ability then to say, "Okay, I. know when to use this and when not to.". That's That's a more heightened state. Yeah, I mean look, there's not there's. there's nothing wrong with with hormones. of stress. I mean that's the only way we. could actually survive. We're we're part. human, part animal, part divine. I mean. we have two things at work here. I I. think the biggest challenge for a lot of. people and 70% of the time uh people are.

living in that state of survival, living. in that state of stress. The more you understand what that. actually does to you, the more you can. make better choices on how long. you actually do want to stay there. Here's an example. Many people who are uh changing a health. condition in our work, they start to do the work, they start. noticing I'm sleeping better, uh I have less pain, uh I got my. appetite back, I feel like I have more. energy. They start noticing these subtle.

subjective changes. They go to their. doctor. uh and their their scans still show that. they have their health conditions. So, they're noticing a change, but they're. not healed all the way. Now, they don't. say it didn't work. They say, "What is it about me that I. still have to change in order to heal? What thought, what behavior, what. emotion?" So, they're a work in. progress, right? Many of those people discover that they. have one really good hour of meditation. where they feel connected, they feel.

like their heart is opening up, they. feel like their brain is coherent, they. feel really great, they don't want the. moment to end. And then they spend 15 or 16 hours of. their day back in a program, Mhm. rushing around, back in their emotional. states, responding and reacting. And they realize that how could one hour. of an elevated state weigh against 15 or. 16 hours of my response to everyone. everything in my life emotionally is. derived from those familiar emotions of. fear, anger, hatred, or or pain, or.

suffering, whatever. Okay, so. now this is where uh the practicum. actually goes to the next level because. they're no longer just sitting down and. rehearsing who they want to be. They're. actually rehearsing for their life. Mhm. They're saying, "Okay, when I see that. person, when I'm in that circumstance, I. can't go unconscious and feel this. emotion and I can't go unconscious and. say these things or act this way. How am. I going to act? What would love do? What.

would greatness look like? They don't. know, they read about it. They get more. information and they're building this. model and now all of a sudden their. response. to people. to circumstances, to problems in their. life are changing. That's because they're changing. Then. they notice that their health condition. starts to improve a little bit more and. then now. they don't say how come my Alzheimer's. or my Parkinson's or my ALS hasn't. healed. They're saying, "How much more. can I open my heart.

in my day and feel this with my eyes. open all day long? If I understand that. if I live by these emotions, I'm signaling genes ahead of the. environment. Well, I'm going to stay in. this state because it's this emotional. state that is actually going to heal me. So, I got to remember this feeling. I. got to remember this feeling. I got to. remember this feeling." And now they're. no longer trying to remember the feeling. just. for any other reason, but because they. want to remember the feeling when. they're with their eyes open. Now it's. they're understanding that the more that. they change, the more that their health changes. And.

and and you can have the best diet and. you could do the best exercise and you. could be really rigid in the food. choices and vitamins and minerals. and keep your body chemically balanced. and physically balanced, but if you're. not emotionally balanced. and you're constantly in that fight or. flight system. Stress is when your. body's knocked out of homeostasis. A stress is when your brain and body are. knocked out of balance. So, so you you could have all those. things working for you, but if you are. living in fear or you're controlling and. you're rigid and you're perfectionist.

and you're hard on yourself, it's going to make sense that that is. going to have to change in order for you. to change, right? And so, people start. getting they start getting it. I I this. is the only way I'm going to change. If. I don't change, it's not going to. change. Yeah, one of my favorite things. as a practical exercise I ever did was I. literally had. scripts and I mean handwritten like I. wrote scripts for how I wanted to feel. when I experienced ego or envy and so. for for every emotional.

challenge I had, something that I. thought was an unhealthy thought, I. literally had like pages and pages and. pages of scripts that were built up from. research, that were built up from. spiritual literature, that were built up. from science, whatever it may be of what. did I want to be able to say to myself. when this thought or that thought came. up. And it sounds so basic, but it. really does rewire your thoughts when. now all I can think of is that script. Sure. And I need to update that script.

regularly, but. That's a good point. I mean I mean I'm. constantly Yeah, it's constantly Yeah, it's not once. I'm constantly I mean I mean 95% of who. we are by the time middle age is a set. of unconscious thoughts, behaviors, and. emotions. I mean those are beliefs and. perceptions that we have about ourselves. and our lives. So I mean this is a. never-ending process of self-discovery. I mean there's always challenges that. you'll have in your life that are. going to initiate you into becoming. conscious of what you're unconscious to. Yeah. And you got to meet those.

challenges from a greater level of. consciousness than the consciousness. that's created and you can't if you. don't, your response and the way you. feel and the way you think being the. same and if you believe that how you. think and how you feel creates your. life, if you don't change the way you. think and the way you feel, your life's. going to stay the same because you're. the same. I mean that's the way it. works. So. fundamentally it's so important for. people to understand that it is actually. possible to change. It really is. possible. It is. Yeah, it it I love that you keep. repeating that because it's. I think that's the hardest part where.

you've just again the the broken record. is I can't change, nothing will change. And not realizing that it's just a set. of habits, it's just a set of routines. that you've adopted as your reality. going to be uncomfortable, so get used. to it. And so you could either stay. uncomfortable, or you could actually say. how do I want to feel? Let me Instead of. memorizing this emotion, let me memorize. this emotion. Let me open my heart when. it's goes against. everything that I've been taught and. programmed to do. I mean, and and that's. really when it really begins to matter. the most. So, it's it's really an.

exciting time that and and so happy to. see that people are wrapping their minds. around all of this and doing it, you. know, doing it for themselves. Absolutely, absolutely. Have Have you. found a difference? And I want to get a. bit more technical here. Have you found. a difference between meditation with. breath breath work and without breath. work? Because I know you do both. And. and what do you find is the usefulness. and benefits of either? So, we do so. many different types of breath breath. for so many different types of reasons. The breath that we were talking about. with Inspire, pulling the mind out of.

the body, we do that breath to take that. creative life force that sits at the. base of the spine, that that energy that. can create another another life form. The energy we use to digest a meal. The. energy that we use to run from a. predator. We're taking all that energy that's. stored in the body emotionally, and. we're pulling that energy back up into. the brain. If you practice this breath. repeatedly, there will be a release of energy into. the brain. We have the data to show that. you're going to have a lot more energy.

in your brain. You're going to be way more coherent in. your brain, and you're going to be more. conscious, right? And so, why is that. important? Why? Because. when you regulate your brain waves, we. don't want you to fall asleep. We want you to actually be really. relaxed and awake at the same time. So, we do this one breath called pulling the. mind out of the body, that's the Inspire. series, where we're taking all that. creative energy and we're we're with the. breath pulling that energy right up to a. specific area of the brain. When you do that properly, your brain will go into an altered. state. That's the reason why we do it.

Then we do all kinds of other breathing. like breathing to change the heart. rhythm. Uh sometimes when we're doing a. laying down breath, when we're practicing getting into that. mystical state, just when the audience is just starting. to move into a slower brainwave state, we'll do a very forced inhalation. exhalation inhalation exhalation over. and over again like a hiker's breath. only so that the person feels euphoric. And so euphoric that they don't want to. fall asleep and they'll move into a.

slower brainwave pattern and the door. between the conscious mind and. subconscious mind opens and many times. there's a mystical experience waiting. for that person. that's transcendental. So So we do all. kinds of different breathing. techniques because we have different. intentions behind each one of them. If. people want to dive into those, where. where should they go if they want to. kind of grab some of those techniques or. get access? Are they only at the events? There's an online course with that we. offer called the progressive workshop. Great. In the progressive workshop, we. teach a few of those breaths. And if you.

come to a week-long event, you'll have. an opportunity to do all of them and we. start it. 6:00 in the morning. We finish it I. don't know. Cancun, the last one we did, I think we finished it 8:00 or 8:30. every night. It was just a great group. of people. And and we go 7 days and and. some mornings a little earlier but. you get a lot of practice. You get a lot. of tools. So by the time you leave, you. can you can use them in your life. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, if anyone who. can't obviously get to the live events, then the online course will be helpful. but if you can, go along to one of them. And I think I think there's some good.

descriptions also in in becoming. supernatural, my last book, where we. break it all down. And then there's some tutorials that we. have on our website to help you with. some of the breathing. Yeah. I love. that. Joe, is there anything I haven't. asked you about today or anything that's. on your mind and heart that you really. want to share with everyone or something. you've been working on or or anything. you feel compelled to share? Gosh, we uh. We covered a lot. We we've covered a. lot. I we're doing the some really cool. research with random event generators. and. random event generators are. sophisticated. coin tosses. You know, if you the more.

you toss a coin, the more you're going. to get 50/50 heads heads or tails, right? So, this machine generates. program machine generates um about a. thousand. tosses in a second. So, you're looking. at a very, very sophisticated machine. And if you run for 30 minutes, you're. going to see in time an equal number of. ones or zeros or uh heads or tails, and. you're going to see the straight line. When you get a group of people together. with brain coherence and heart. coherence, uh they're emitting a field.

And. when we do healings in our events, 100% of the time when we do those. healings, those random event generators have. dramatic skews to show that random. events become less random and more. intentional. And it's collective. networks of observers that determine. reality. And it's not the number of. people, it's not the amount of energy. cuz it could be entropic. It's the most coherent energy. And we're.

causing a machine that's programmed. to behave in a very, very different way. And I think. that idea of. community, of people coming together when everybody. else is in fear. uh to show courage, when everybody else. is in pain. uh to show compassion, when everybody. else is in anger hatred that to show. love. I mean, I think by nature as human. beings, I think we are wired to give, to.

connect, to commune, to take care of one. another, to heal one another, to shine. for one another. And And our data's so. exciting to to actually uh support that. theorem. Yeah, I love that you brought. that up, and I'm That's you know, that's. very macro and big as well, but also. micro in that you're you're measuring. people's daily experience, I think. You know, when I think about families. who live together or couples or partners. or or whoever you may be, you know, when you're sleeping together, when you're waking up together at the. same time, when you're sitting for meals.

together, when you know, we realize and. we know that the science shows that your. heart rate sync up, like your heart. beats sync up when you're. with someone and I think. it's really interesting because I think. today in our individualistic world, there's a big desire to do things at our. own time, when we want, how we want. But, if you're truly trying to build a. relationship with someone else or build. community, there's so much to be said. for. doing these basic practices at the same. time together, right? It's really hard to be in community when.

you're in survival. Uh because survival makes us put our. attention on ourselves, right? Uh and I I think that when people are. not living in survival, when they're out. of survival, our nature really is. community, is is culture, is connection, and it starts with the self, then it starts with our closest. relationships, and builds out from. there. And I I think that's a a. a healthy model, you know, for the for. the world. I mean, when you're working. on yourself and I'm working on myself, and I'm okay with me and you're okay.

with you, we we're going to be okay with. everybody, you know? And I think when. we're not okay with ourselves, uh that's. when uh it gets complicated. That's. amazing. Everyone who's listening and. watching, make sure you go and follow. Joe across social media. We'll put the. links to everything. uh in the sections there so you can. follow along, but I want to make sure. that you share with me your greatest. insights. Tag me and Joe on Instagram, on Twitter, on TikTok, whatever platform. you're using. Let us know what you'll be. practicing. I hope that there's parts of. this conversation that you'll listen to. again and again and again because you.

have to realize that the first time you. hear it, there may be some inspiration, there may be some insight, but the. second time, that repetition is going to. help you actually apply, rewire, and. reconfigure. So, make sure you repeat, listen, and make sure you share this. with a friend as well so you can discuss. it, talk about it, put it into your own. language and your vocabulary. That's. such an important part of putting this. into practice as well. Uh Joe, as ever, thank you so much for making the time. and effort. I know that you've always. got unpredictable things happening in. your life like this morning, but you.

chose to be here and uh thank you so. much for being here. I really appreciate. it. Thank you, Jay. Thank you for having me. Thank you. If you love this episode, you'll enjoy my interview with Dr. Daniel Amen on how to change your life. by changing your brain. You want to drip. dopamine. Don't dump it. Because when. you dump it with the fries and the. alcohol, the porn, you don't have much left. And so then. you have to.