Fat Joe On Making Amends With 50 Cent, His Thoughts On The J. Cole Diss Track & Losing Weight

I got shot at maybe 30 40 times in my. life I might be scared of a gun I might. be scared of a bazooka but men I've. never been afraid of men I'm afraid of. fly so you know every day I fly I'm. like we got a special guest in the. building the icon living Fat Joe we had. to see where we were going to put the. money at my other brother turned around. and told my brother why we even talking. in front of Joey he's a half brother and. that devastated me.

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for you in the world subscribe right now. the number one Health and Wellness. podcast J J shett the one the only. Jett hey everyone welcome back to on. purpose the place you come to become. happier healthier and more healed. today's guest is someone I've been. listening to since I was a kid uh very. very grateful to have on the show the. one the only someone who needs no. introduction Fat Joe Joe welcome to on. purpose I'm grateful that here long time.

coming huh I know this has been a long. time coming we did a short get together. connection the we always knew we was. going to do this sooner or later but uh. it's an honor to be here no I'm very. grateful to have you here honestly I. grew up listening to you I was listening. to you this morning getting ready for. the show just to prepare my mindset and. but that's a different fed Joe then fat. than Fat Joe. 2024 sometimes I listen to my music I'm. like yo I can't even believe I was.

saying like it was really yeah it was a. different time what what what's your. earliest childhood memory that has. defined who you are. today wow um just uh always being. charismatic always being you know from. the class clown to people always loved. me I always told great stories and um. and so when you growing up in Hip Hop. you know we used to always have this.

like mean bravado nobody talked to. nobody everybody right and so recently I. started telling stories in the last. couple of years and everybody's like yo. wow he's a great Storyteller but I. always was this person but. unfortunately hip hop will have you put. on this facade to where you can't even. show people your true. personality um so I think that's what I. that's what I think coincides is just. I've always been this person since I was.

a kid and the world's just getting the. is getting revealed to the world yeah. why do you think that is why did why did. you have to hide yourself what was the. reason for the just Hip Hop was just. really tough man when I grew up it was. you know we lost biggie we lost Pock we. you know uh you were Punk if you had. security like you you know they wanted. to see you go through it unfortunately. there was a big uh stigma in hip-hop. like if you didn't live it then we.

didn't we didn't respect you and so you. had to live this thing out and the last. thing you want to show people was that. you're a cool funny dude that gets along. with everybody actually loves everybody. so you you you had to keep that tucked. away just for your uh your family and. your friends but even when you were. younger you were bullied right you went. through bullying and then I believe. there were even some then I became a. bully so it's it's like uh you become a. product of the product and so you know.

when I was young I was getting bullied. because you know I never been a punk I. never been you know so 20 guys confront. of me I fight all 20 of them they beat. they'll beat the crap out of me but I. always was that what were they bullying. you for at that time man it was it was. just too much like so I grew up in a 90%. black neighborhood so the way to explain. this to you is uh um the only thing not. black about me is my skin color so my. family were there 40 years before me so.

when they brought me home it was like. that was Joey and so I grew up at that. neighborhood my whole life and. so you know that's how I grew up and. then I went to my grandmother's. neighborhood that's like 99% black but. they never seen a Latino like that. looking like the beos with blonde hair. and green eyes and acting like and. saying you know just coming like that. was a problem like they had a real. problem with that over there they were. like yo we're not going for that over.

here but I am who I am so I've always. been me I've always been true to who I. am so I had a lot of problems you know. um and so you know bullies you know when. one gets away with it you know uh then. then another guy tries it's not. necessarily that they're tough It's just. to say oh they beat him up oh we could. beat him up and then you know you're. just the guy they beat up and uh I kept. telling them I'm not a punk I kept. telling them every time they beat me up. I was like yo I'm not a punk I'm letting.

y'all know y'all just got the numbers. right now you know and so I used to get. beat up for a lot of things I used to. lie a lot when I was a kid so I would. say stuff like yo I was with that girl. her brother would come with five guys. and be like oh you with my sister beat. me up so I remember I had a time I had. to look in in the mirror when I was. teenag and just be like yo you lie a lot. bro you got to stop like you got. to you got got to keep it real cuz you.

getting beat up because of this so you. know life Journey it's a journey this. this the journey everything leads to the. next chapter in life yeah it's it's. amazing wherever you grow up just how. much bullying is the norm for kids like. even where I grew up I was bullied for. the color of my skin because there. weren't that many Indian people in the. area that I grew up in and I was bullied. for my weight because I was overweight. growing up so I was bullied for that. it's amazing how like kids find a way to. make other kids life hell even though we.

hope you know what's crazy is not. criticizing the Youth of today but uh. when I see stuff like bullying and they. you know kids kill. themselves and uh because they getting. body shamed or whatever I just don't. understand like do you know what levels. of bullying I've been through and I. never once thought of killing myself I. never once you know I just knew it was. something we had to work our way through. um and so uh you know I don't think.

there's never a time where you kill. yourself you know I don't think there's. never a time where you just say yo I. want to kill myself I don't know how. that comes about and so you know with. bullying it was you know we've been. getting bullied in the house you know. from my father from my family from you. know we've been dealing with a lot of uh. pressure and Trauma and you know you. know your father comes home he lost all. his money gambling drinking he's going. to treat you like [ __ ] [ __ ] that day you.

know what I'm saying so but we don't. know that and so we had to work through. all that we have to learn all that so. now when I see uh my kids or other. people's kids complaining about. something you know I got beat up by 20. guys every single day for two years. straight so you know and I never once. went home and told my mother I can't do. it you know so I don't I don't why do. you think that is why do you think that. you had that tough skin that resilience. no it was hard bro it was hard hard but. you but you know was something you have.

to deal with you know you have to go to. school the next day you had to go. outside the next day you had to like you. this is where you at you're in this. environment you're either going to be. predator or prey and so you know I was. always the loving nice person I am and. then it you know my my skin got thick. then I was like all. right I'mma Be the the tough guy I'm. going to be the bully I'mma show them. I'm not going to K.

and then things changed and and thank. thankfully hip hop came and saved my. life you said you had to in those early. days make some life and death choices. now I got shot at maybe 30 40 times in. my life and I know somebody like you or. some some of my friends they can't even. understand that no for sure and so you. know I tell people these stories now and. now they think I'm just lying I just. make it up but the truth is the truth. and so you could imagine I I was one of. the toughest kids in the nation.

neighborhood uh I was always into. something and I I was very aggressive at. getting money you know I'm very. aggressive at getting money I was in Six. States this week alone so I'm like you. know I've been like that since I was a. kid so you know once in any neighborhood. you know if you hear. about dangerous places it always has to. do with. money or with drugs or with you know.

and so that's what you say you say yo. that place is so safe yeah but you know. they killing people why the drug game to. this to that so I've always was. aggressive you know and once you show. people you want money and you want you. want bigger things and and you're. willing to do whatever for. it becomes more. dangerous you know what were you doing. for money at that time well I was. hustling you know I was I was really I. was a. uh no different than the movie you see. like I was a guy they went hire to go.

beat people up like that's how I started. in the game and so it be like Yo Joe you. know how do they recruit you for. something. like these guys are bad guys and you. could pick them up so you're JK Kingpin. you're not necessarily tough like that. but you know fat Joey and them they get. busy no matter what and so you know you. come and you say yo fat Joey I got three. pair of sneakers for you you know a. jacket you know I need you to go beat my.

competition up so I would just jump out. of van and and you know and just you. know apply the pressure well you ever. scared no that's one thing God never. made me was scared of men right I might. be scared of a gun I might be scared of. a bazooka but men I've never been afraid. of men you know physically whether it. was 1 20 30 40 or just never been afraid. of men you know of of of violence or. physical.

you know yet and still I ain't get. grabbed by the cartel or some [ __ ] like. that you know that's it but I never been. afraid of men you know what I'm saying. I'm afraid to fly so you know every day. I fly I'm like I'm the biggest I'm. grabbing the old lady next to me you. know I'm the guy I take all three air. conditions when when I'm flying I I grab. all the three and I got it on me and I'm. breathing I'm doing breathing exercises. you know I'm terrified of flying yeah. and I fly all the time. and I just tell God I said God thank you.

for letting me face my fear you know. what I mean because I'm able to you I. don't think if I flew I would be uh as. successful as I am so and I and I love. going places I love I would love to go. to India Africa this this that it just. don't like the journey the plane. flight y this is it after all these. years still still yeah every day every. every I fly maybe every other day and it.

could be the I remember one time I get. on the flight with khed and khed got. this plane like you know CED does. everything another level you know so his. private plane it was white everything. the ceiling the floors the couches the. the the ladies the flight attendant they. were so polite they was this was the. best flight you could ever take we went. up we felt a little I was like it could. have been it could have American. Airlines it could have been any other.

plane I was like all the white all the. fancy food everything went out the. window I was like terrified and so it's. something I can't get over yeah with. with going back to that time that you're. they giving you a jacket they giving you. three pairs of sneakers saying go and. take care of this how long does that. continue for man that continues because. I I was uh we were really tough I won't. say just me but we were really tough and. um but I like I said I you know when I.

grew up in the Bronx it looked like. bombs exploded in the Bronx it looked. like ukrain no exaggeration look it up. 70s 80s in the Bronx and so but I always. had uh. ambition to be successful to have more. and I remember talking to a friend of. mine his name was Louie we was like 12. years old and I'm looking out at rubble. and I'm saying yo I'm not this ain't for. me I got got to get money I got to I.

gotta I got to give me a Mercedes Benz I. got to give me a there and he's like. what are you talking about we've been so. poor. generational that he couldn't even. fathom you know nobody in my family was. rich like that or nothing like that so. he was like what are you talking about. we straight this I was like nah I got to. get it you know and um and so it's. almost like a movie that you know you. got these guys that you know you just. come pick up when it's time and so I. would go and and you know for me it was.

by any means necessary to get money and. so I would do whatever but also knowing. I want to be the Kingpin not the guy. they come get to beat people up and so. one thing led to another and um and you. know we became big boys in the street. you know before rap so hip-hop saved my. life you know changed my whole life like. a Cinderella movie like it was like the. minute I got my record deal. I never hustled again I never dealt with.

crime I never went back there it was. like a Cinderella Robin Hood the minute. I got my deal I was like yo I don't want. nothing to do with this I walked away. from it started rapping telling my story. through music and uh and here we are you. know I just knew uh when I got into hip. hop and I got into the rap game I said. all right this is it this is this this. is the way out yeah and you know.

no different than any other business you. know at one time I had the number one. record flojo in 1993 it was the it was. the number one record in the country I. was getting $500 a show so I was doing. three shows a night you know you know. that wasn't no money you know what I'm. saying but I had to do what I had to do. to get my money and so uh you know so. that wasn't even easy so you now you in. the game and you step in and it's almost. like half the battle and I was like yo. how do we find the money in this.

business cuz at that time it was no. money in the business yeah yeah that's I. mean yeah that's crazy to think that in. what 30 years it's changed so much. financially I think I don't want to say. for a fact but I I think uh L cooj was. headlining arenas for like 10,000 a show. wow and this is Arenas this was like. Madison Square Garden and all that so it. was like um you know it was the money.

wasn't there so you know back in the. days the only way to uh explain it to. you back in the days Magic Johnson was. the first player to get a million. dollars a year he made the cover Times. magazine he was in every M it was the. biggest talk now you got the 15th guy on. the bench making 240. million the disparity is crazy you see a. rapper now or reggae tone artist or one. of them now put out one hit and then. making 40,000 400 th000 a show for one.

song and you like yo this is PR I done. tore forget a chitlin circuit I done. went around the whole moon for $500 yeah. you know uh so you know it's a different. time yeah and I was going back to your. movie analogy I feel like in the movie. The Streets always try and come back for. the person who tried to move away so. when someone goes okay I'm done with. this business now I'm going to go like a. shadow yeah and so with my life it was. like that too and I and I and I'm made a. lot of mistakes you know uh I'm more.

successful now than ever but that's. because I'm much more mature and so you. know growing up in the ghetto you have. survivors guilt and so me my community. you know took care of me the only reason. why I'm still here is because of them so. I had a very big obligation to try to. bring everybody with me you know I got. rich young and I would have 50 guys with. me at every time I would literally come. to your interview you right now with 50.

guys 50 trucks 50 cars that means 50. steaks 50 champagne bottles 50 hotel. rooms uh 50 plane tickets this you know. every day how do you afford that you. don't and so what happens is uh you know. when you when you're young if you look. at the com cartoons they're telling kids. a million dollars that's almost like you. could capture a cloud right like like a. million dollarss is like you you could. take a a cloud and put it in a bottle a.

million dollars and then when you get a. million dollars you think it's like this. can't run out but it runs out and so uh. for me I remember going broke about. three times in my life like literally. broke being like a number one rapper. number one hit everybody's what's love. but I'm like and I'm just doing foolish. things and I'm just trying to take the. whole neighborhood with me and I. remember that one time I tell this. famous story I'll tell it to your. audience I remember one time I couldn't.

sleep and now I know when I can't sleep. God has giving me a message so that's. that's a fact like that that that when I. I can sleep all the time right but when. I can't sleep there's something that I. got to figure out dissect or whatever. God is telling me yo hold up figure this. out you know because us you know we in. the public light we got to watch what we. say we got to you know is a very you.

know I don't get hot I don't use I don't. everybody I encourage you can smoke weed. if you want cannabis you could drink. whatever I don't and in my life with. everything that's been thrown at me is. almost like the Matrix if I got high I'd. have been out of here a long time ago. you never did it no wow so the way this. thing comes to me is like you know it. throws so much things at you like. whether it's family whether it's. business whether it's this whether it's. that is this to be successful in 2024 is.

like the The Matrix you know you're. doing this it's like woo we dodged that. one what about this one what about that. imagine I'm high I'm over here like this. doped up I'm done right and so that was. back in the early days the reason why I. never got high was because I had so much. uh violence and beef with other guys. that you know I I just I knew they were. going to kill me or like if I was. standing on a corner. hi smoked out or something I was done.

and the thing is nobody has a a PhD or a. master's in hip-hop music yeah is. actually whose crew is toughest so every. rapper you meet they'll come up they be. like yo hi let's just say I'm fabulous. yo this my man just came home for 20 uh. years he he did three murder this this. oh how you doing yo this is jadus yo. what's up Jus yo this is my man Johnny. the button just came home for 25 years. for killing five people this I mean.

that's what it is and so I don't we got. do it with Drake we could do it with all. of them right and so you don't need a. PhD or Masters to get in hip-hop so I'm. leaving the. streets trying to come in here to change. my life and then when I come in here to. change my life I. realize the streets come back the. Shadows you know and then everybody want. to know are you really tough are you.

really that guy Fat Joe that you talk. loud you just like prove to us that you. really get busy and so the streets is. always with you you know now it's more. like you know now we totally you know. talk to my security argue with my. security he's a ex cop deal with him oh. this this I don't even I don't even. stuff doesn't even bother me no more. yeah so you got to get to that place.

spiritually you got to get to that place. uh where you feel like you know what. your job is in life you know what you're. trying to do you want to live righteous. you want to help the people you want to. help your family but all that outside. noise doesn't even bother me no more you. know I've had some of my friends that I. have for years go on uh YouTubes and. blogs and talk bad about me and this and. this I'll be like oh him too like it's. like it just it just rubs off me now.

it's not doesn't even affect me yeah. when you were younger one of the things. that did affect you I believe was your. half brother you realizing that you. weren't biologically family no it wasn't. my problem it was like we grew up. together so I have two brothers and the. and and a sister and I grew up my father. came from. Cuba and my father got with my my mom's. after she she had a husband and had. three kids so I'm the last kid but he.

raised my brothers and sisters and we. were raised as brothers and sisters to. this day brother not half we never heard. the word half we had a brother so me and. my brother we were you know Partners in. the streets right so you know um me and. my brother angrew and then my other. brother Raymond um was supposed to be a. lawyer or whatever the case may be he. was going to school for that and then. when we was hustling on um we had a.

choice to make right and so the choice. to make was that we had made all this. money we still lived in the projects. like we had tons of money in the closet. right in the in AFF affordable housing. projects so we had to see where we were. going to put the money at we wasn't that. smart we wasn't sophisticated we didn't. know about buying businesses we didn't. have accountants we didn't have nothing. the most we had was cars and jury and. and so uh my one brother said yo leave.

the money with me and I said and I ain't. think nothing of he's my brother I told. my brother Angel I said why don't we. leave half the money with him and you go. to Orlando to to my aunt who's like 90. years old she wouldn't even know she she. had millions of dollars in her attic. right and I said split it up you don't. you don't want all your eggs not saying. that this and so my brother my other. brother turned around and told my. brother why are we even talking in front. of Joey he's a half.

brother and that devastated me that's. the tears just came I never heard that. before some my brother Angel argued with. him was like you crazy Joy's my brother. you know the irony to that story is that. day it was. Thanksgiving uh the whole family you. know we never had much or whatever but. what we always had was love and family. to this day so I got in the car I had a. Mustang 5.0 at that time I went to uh. it's in the book Jose I went to a place. in in the broncore city island to where.

there one way in one way out so I was. just driving like 100 miles per hour and. and I was I just felt like I was going. to run into a wall or something and then. at the last minute you know I spun out I. was actually thinking of killing myself. I spun out you know I said that then I. went and ate me a nice steak they you. ever ate at the cevil rich there was a. oh my God they had the steaks with the. best onions now I had the best meal that.

night right uh old school joint man and. and and so uh eventually I wrote it in. the book but didn't really actually say. it that uh my brother the feds came and. locked everybody up like 40 of us not me. I was rapping already thank God Rap. saved my life but when they did that my. brother was on a run and he was calling. my other brother yo send me money he was. in like uh Dominican Republic and my. brother when wouldn't respond so my. brother flies back and the brother who.

called me the half brother spent the. millions of dollars we didn't know so he. came and said yo what's up I'm on the. run I need the money and he's like yo I. spent the. money we like you spent the money. millions of dollars like you spent the. money it wasn't like lavish you ain't. see no Lamborghini out there or nothing. like it's like how you spent the money. and and so the concept of us growing up. was always if my brother had had it I. had it so my brother was the boss I made.

some dollars but he made the real money. but I knew if my brother had it I had it. it's the same concept we have with teror. Squad today if Joe got it you got it you. can't take advantage of it but he'll. help you at any given time you know if I. got it you got it and so my brother. stole the money I never talked to him. for uh 25 30 years I never talked to him. again because my brother not only did. steal the money my other brother angrew.

started using drugs because he went from. being rich to being broke and I used to. tell him all the time you're Ang I'm. rapping I'mma take care of us don't. worry I got us but he just fell in deep. depression and started using drugs and. using drugs and you know to this day my. brother uh he'll be looking around the. room and he be like I used to have money. I used to have it you know these people. kill themselves in Wall Street they jump. off the roof they jump off of bridges. they hang themselves when they lose all.

their money when you used to that type. of money millions of dollars you know. and some your own brother your own blood. steals that from you um so he had a lot. to deal with and I kept putting him in. drug programs I kept begging him like. June come on I'm good like come on I'm. you know we're g to be good but he. couldn't get over that even to this day. but he's not using drugs no more thank. God but uh you know if I had him you. know mind sound you know he's smarter.

than me so if I had him with me through. my whole career through my whole you. know we' have been better off than we. are now you know cuz he was really the. leader he was really the smart one and. so but he couldn't snap himself out of. that yeah how how hard is that watching. someone you love someone that you trust. someone that you know could have been. this and had this potential and then not. seeing them be there with you through it. all how does how do you deal with that. well you know my best friend on Earth is. in jail he's doing 48 years and he's.

been in jail for 33 years and I often. think about like tonight I'm going to. the Nick game I know for a fact they're. going to put me on TV God bless I'm on. Courtside sitting next to Spike Lee high. five in Spike Lee my brother got to see. that in jail in the feds and but how do. you think he feels that he's in jail my. best friend and he knows that if he. comes out Fat Joe got him he's right. here with Jay Shetty he's driving the. best car he's living the best life. that's that's that's what you call. suffering when you can't do nothing for.

it and the same thing with my brother. you know what you know my brother had a. chance you know and so what I can tell. you is that uh drugs is a a illness it's. highly. addictive uh that's why I never tried it. because I might like it and so that's. why I've always stayed away from drugs I. looked at my brother and said damn man. he's smarter than me uh he could have. been way more than me and and you know. he couldn't shake the drugs I don't even. want to try that you know I had I'll.

tell you a story for your audience I had. a girl I used to chase for maybe 10. years I used to chase this girl hey. what's up yo yo beautiful girl right and. one day she said tonight's your night. and I said oh wow really I'm going to. get it like you know you I've been after. you yes yes but you know Joe I know you. don't use drugs but tonight to make it. special we're going to take these pills. together and I said huh she was like we.

going to take this I said I'm not taking. them pills she was like no but this is. going to be amazing this is it you don't. understand sex with these pills I said. and I was after this girl and I was like. you ain't getting me to take the pills. and so nothing happened so you walked. out nothing happened brother go you must. have felt that rejection was like I. don't care about rejection it's just I. know you know too many stories you know. uh good friend of mine not to put his. business out that but he talks about it. Scott Storch one of the most talented.

people in the world like I owe him a lot. of my career to Scott Storch but he. tried it one. time and that was it wow he tried he was. with two girls real famous girls if you. know the real story y the be the best. movie ever made that hasn't been made is. the Scott stor story if he lays the. goods out. is you know we we need uh Leonardo the. cap to play him like this this going to.

be one but you know he had two famous. girls and they were like yo you want to. be with us you got to sniff this cocaine. off of you know and he did it he said he. literally told me the minute he sniffed. it he was like Euphoria like this is the. and you know this whole life up messing. with that now he's doing better but uh. you know he ran through like 90 million. getting high you know wow yeah cuz he. was the guy then I remember he was. producing for he had like 85% of number. one songs of one year yeah Beyonce Fat.

Joe 50 Cent this this he was Shan Paul. this everything was him yeah I remember. and so uh you know he took a hard fall. you know I love Scott man I wouldn't be. where I'm at if it wasn't for Scott yeah. no it's and and and that's the hard part. right I tried with him I tried to get. him more DRS oh yeah I'm you know in. many places I'm considered the fun. killer you know cuz I would coming they. can't get high Scot Storch I tell you he. used to sniff kilos of cocaine but.

around me he never sniffed Coke in his. life he had that level of respect so I. would go to his I would go there every. day and just sit there like a thorn on. his side you know for months and just be. like you know making sure he don't get. high they said the minute I walked out. the door they were like bring it. out they hated me in the place but you. know I tried you know wow I mean we're. talking about losing people people while. they're still alive and that is a real.

loss and then you've lost people who. have actually lost their life who are no. longer here you've lost three I mean I'm. sure you've lost more than this but. three very significant people in your. life can you tell us what was. significant about the loss of each. because I feel like they're different. types of losses but they're all in the. same year first of all same like week. same week there was months I didn't. realize. like two three weeks apart everything um.

I'll start with my sister my sister was. like my best friend she was supposed to. be the one to be there for me you know. um we love our wives and we want them to. always be there but one person I do know. you know OJ Simpson died you know. recently and they said the only people. who used to go see him every day was his. sisters you know that's that you know. when the whole world turns off the. lights on on you your sisters will be. there for you yeah I can relate to that.

so I lost to my SI I lost my sister she. was giv child birth and so they gave her. epidor instead of numbing up from the. waist down and numbed up from the waist. up lack of oxygen to the brain so she. was in a coma for eight months and that. was killing me to see my mother and. father every day there and we was there. and uh that's horrible I wish nobody. gets to see someone they love like that. and and when I got the call she died it. was was a relief and I don't want to say. I'm happy my sister died because that's.

not true but she was suffering too much. and so my sister passes away right so. that's the number one right I used to. think this guy was the number one uh. because I love him so much but really. over the years really analyzing it my. sister really uh knocked me out the box. right just to not have her in this world. then one of my best friends you know my. artist one you know one of the most. loyal guys is Big Pun you know we made. history together and uh together you.

know being Latino in this music business. you know that we we stood for so much. you know and even though I was on before. him and I was on my way to success I. took the back road for him because I. knew he was so much more talented and I. knew we needed a guy like that years. later now 30 20 years later we still. hear his music and feel that Pride I. knew that at the time and so he passed. away young around the same time as my. sister maybe a week two weeks apart now.

I'm young I'm 27 28 acting like I know. about the world but I'm still really. really young and so you know how scared. it is to lose a best friend franchise. player you know here you went from being. this broke kid living in this uh danger. zone into you know being successful. being rich and now uh the guy you did it. with his dad at 27 28 years old and then. my grandfather you know and I I.

analyzing my family tree I'm more like. my grandfather than anybody wow you know. I used to call him Cowboy he had a lot. of respect in the hood so my grandfather. died so all that together just through. it was like a perfect storm you know and. I never dealt with so Much Death like. that and so uh you know I was really in. a dark place I'm not talking about a. regular dark place you know sleeping in. the bathtub with no water running uh if. I looked outside and it was sunny it.

looked dark um you know if someone. shoots you I tell people all the time. you're in a gang say you're in a gang in. Chicago and they trying to kill you you. do know you can move to Alabama and no. one would know you you you could move to. LA you could move to New York you could. move anywhere and they won't know you. the problem with depression is it comes. with you wherever you go so at the time.

I'm in depression I'm going to Miami I'm. going to Islands I'm going to try to. erase it but I can't it's with me. everywhere I go and now you know when. people say let them mourn that means. like give them time let them get their. things together their bearings together. but when your best friend who just died. is the biggest rap star in the world. people think they're doing a good thing. a good deed so they bring you your fool. yo sorry about your brother Big Pun man.

yo that was my. man once again it's back yeah and then. I'm in a I'm in a a car waiting at the. light the next door yo pun he was the. man they start blasting so it was so. hard right and I considered it myself to. be a bright person and so it's the only. way to put it is like the mind's like a. super complex Rubik's Cube and you just. gotta and so I never thought of I'm. gonna kill myself of this I just was.

like Joe you gotta get out of this you. gotta get out of this it's like a funk. and you wake up and it's a new day. instead of just saying it's a new day. you know you go back to oh you know this. and then it's so I went to therapy is. that the first time you started going to. therapy was that that's the only time I. went to therapy but I went to therapy. for like two years I didn't tell nobody. and um this lady this woman uh really. really helped me out and and her.

strategy I guess therapists are all. different her strategy is you figure it. out for you like you'll tell me about. you and then you just go there all the. time and you tell her about you and then. you figure it out you'll figure out what. happened and um the one thing that. happened to me was uh we would do this. Muro in the in the South Bronx for big. punt so you know I started out a. graffiti artist and shout out to crew so. every year they would do a new they.

would change the mural for pun rest in. peace pun so I'm out there it's two. years is gone by two dudes walk by I. always say I owe these guys so much. money and one dude was like yo what they. doing he wasn't from the neighborhood he. was like Ah that's Big Pun ball they. change it every year he said they change. it every year it's been that long he was. like yeah it's been two years and I. swear to God in my brain all I heard was. two years two years two years two years. two years two years years and then. something in my mind told myself like y.

Joe you've been beating yourself up for. two years you got to snap out of it that. same night boom I was back to the way I. am now wow you know just it's two years. y you try to kill. yourself for two years you've been. beating yourself up maybe you could have. did something maybe you could have lost. weight maybe you could have helped your. sister maybe you could have you know so. you go over beating yourself up so uh. you know it's finally was done two years.

and I run away from dark thoughts and. depression like now I don't even get in. the area if I ever feel something like. that I'm running the other way see. people walk to it for some reason you. know but me I run away from from any. type of dark times any type of dark. moments I move on your sister if she. could talk to you today what do you. think she'd say she'd be proud but she. also was uh very. supportive.

um. and. simple but you know she you know she. knew her brother had her back she call. me any time of the day any time of the. you know bro I need money that car be. outside her window in five minutes like. yo come down here you go you know what. I'm saying so she know I always had a b. you know she she the only thing I would. say the only regret my sister had with. with me is I used to beat up her. boyfriends and so that was like a a.

major problem like like for real though. if a guy came to visit my sister I would. sit there with a baseball bat while he's. sitting on the couch with her and I'm. looking at him and she always hated me. for that yeah that's fair you know that. you know I'm just telling you what she. you know she wasn't feeling me on that. tip right there cuz I be like you know. yo you ain't going to do that to my. sister yeah and so you know was that. your younger sister she was older old. she was older she was older but I was. always you know I'm young but I've I've.

you know I'm the the baby of the family. say but always the leader I don't know. it's just that was me I have a younger. sister I'm very protective as well and I. can I could relate to what you were. saying about the love that you have for. your sister that kind of different yeah. it's different the the brother sister. love is is a whole different because she. really got your back yeah yeah you know. now she got your back I could do no. wrong in my sister's eyes yeah she got. your back so when it's all said and done. you know God forbid hopefully you live.

with your wife till you die together but. if you know you ever go through. something with your wife or something. like that the one woman that is going to. hold you down is your sister and what. about Big Pun if if he was to talk to. you he I don't know you know Big Pun man. you know he was so good like like he he. was like he was like a freaking nature. bro he was a genius. you know so I don't know I know I try to.

impress him with moves I make musically. you know I've always been a real man I. always been a a loyal man I always stuck. to the code no matter what you know I. never let the you know pun has this. famous line in the record where he says. you know I never I wear the crown and. never let it touch the ground so we. never let the crown touch the ground you. know we always kept that same you know. you you know but uh he I can't tell you. because he was so much better than me he.

was just like light years better than me. so he he really actually taught me how. to make hits even though I discovered. him we would sit there so he would. scream at me like yo you're limited. you're limited keep thinking switch it. up at the end this like he was just so. great that you know he's like it was. like I'm coming up and he's a. Shakespeare or some [ __ ] like he was. literally he would be like no you got to. do it like this no like that so I don't. know you know I've had some anthems I've. had hits I don't know if it was to Big.

Pun standards he I'm telling you he was. he was he was sleep. yeah he had that thing what is it noopsy. or something right he would fall asleep. right on you right there's a true. story he would wake up and be like pass. me the book and he would have a whole. song he would write it in his sleep he. would have a whole song to start writing. it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah right I mean. this guy was W he was phenomenal from.

the first time I ever heard him I knew. like this gu's like the greatest he's. the best like it was another level yeah. yeah well you it was I remember when we. were coming up listening to you it was. because of you that we got introduced to. big punt that's how we even discovered. he was like yeah that's how we even. discovered who he was because we went. awar in London how was Big Pun in London. he was on fire out there because of you. yeah yeah that was the entry point for. all of us like that's how we discovered. his music yeah but it was for the people.

who were like listening like it was for. a real listener it wasn't it wasn't for. the mass it was lyrics it for someone. who was actually listening and was. trying to understand that you know. beautiful term I think my best time in. in hip-hop music you know what I mean. just growing together becoming the first. uh soloist Latino to win uh to sell 2. million records back in them days you. know you had to go buy them records in. the snowstorm you know it was physical.

it wasn't just streaming and so uh we. were so proud of him um and and you know. he died so young so that would that that. really devastated me to this day you. know uh the way the crew works is uh. he's everywhere so if you go in my house. you see Big Pun you go on my businesses. you see Big Pun you go in any one of the. crew members houses big pun is up you. know we we we never forgot him you know. what's crazy is I I throw this uh I'm.

going invite you this year I throw a. birthday party every year that forget. about it whoever you think of is is in. there right every year we have fun so if. you don't dance you're not invited we. are danc the good thing is I don't do. drugs in alcohol so that's but you got. to dance brother you got to dance and so. um and so one year a reporter snuck in. the party we didn't even know and so the. reporter wrote for the for the Post I. believe she wrote I was in the party it. was amazing this one that one was there.

this she said they kept mentioning Big. Pun every 30 seconds like he was alive. at the party and so the uh I think he. would be proud of that that we make sure. that you know we represent him in a at. the highest standard yeah you know as a. rap guard CU that's what he is that's. beautiful the part and I'm waiting for. my Terrace Squad chain as well been you. know those are the two things I wanted. as a kid expensive I said expensive. everybody everybody was waiting on that.

teror Squad train you know you you made. this one as kids you know that was like. the thing still you know I remember one. day I had to give my chain to Drake off. my neck yeah yeah like I had it on my. neck he was like yo man I always wanted. that you know this I was like y man here. you go but that's expensive that's a. heavy thing to give away oh that's. expensive to just uh you know everybody. you imagine how how rich everybody wants. to ter Squad chain we we used to go get. the cubic zonia one in down down the.

road that they used to no these ain't. cubic zon know be people I really love. and they be like yo I need that chain. I'm like sheesh man you know what these. chains cost yeah yeah but it's beautiful. man um have some you know Terror Squad. started out as a graffiti crew yeah uh. the guys who started it passed away but. be before they they got off graffiti. they gave it to me I never forget I was. in the back of my projects I was maybe. like. 13 years old and I remember I made a. pledge this is going to I didn't know it.

was going to be music but it ter squirr. is going to be the biggest crew you ever. seen in your life and then uh I had my. sister and her friends was like Terror. Squad ladies and you know we did this. our whole life you know and um I hope. when I'm gone it it it'll stick around. with all our family members and all our. friends you know it means a lot to us. yeah it's it's to see you so you know. having gone through so much trauma loss.

and and I think people underestimate how. what you said that journey of when. you're from the streets and then you. suddenly get a million dollars through a. talent that you have and then it's like. you don't know what to do with it you. don't know how it works you know what to. do with it it's better but you mean that. we need financial literacy yeah. Financial lit million we didn't know. what to do with it with even today even. today now when influencers Tik Tok. Instagram like people are coming into.

wealth so early in their life without. what they say so that's a great question. I don't know if it's a question. statement I don't know a question it's. question yeah I was just framing it up. who who are we this is the problem right. so fat Joe is always open for. advice Young Artists you know you do it. all the time you can still do it you can. hit me in the DM I'll talk to you I'll. give you advice my advice is free all. the time but who are we to tell a young.

guy or a young girl who had nothing in. life let let's take a sexy red who are. who are we to tell a sexy red who came. from nothing and now she's making. millions of dollars and she's enjoying. it with her friends and she who are who. are we to tell her that she's wrong who. are we to tell her anything she made it. it's a miracle it's a miracle that she. made it coming from where she coming. from so I can't talk down on them or.

tell them Yo don't do that or whatever. now if you want advice I'll tell you. what I did and I blew a lot of money you. know it's just now in life that I'm. understanding you know Investments and. and taking care of my money and taking. care of my family on another level um. and I still have a problem with Louis. Vuitton and Gucci and diamonds and you. know I'm still attracted to the stuff. you know but still in all um you know I.

look at all these young artists I don't. I can't tell them you know now if they. ask me yo G what you think I should do. then I'll sit down and be like yo go buy. a bunch of subways franchise go buy some. Wing Stops go buy some McDonald's you. know something that you um because. artists the sad thing about hip-hop is. you could go from one day being the. biggest artist in the world getting. 250,000 the show and four years later. you're not hotting you getting 15,000. the show that's a big disparen and so I.

don't know why I don't know why it's. like that why they don't value the. artist where the money value stays up. but that's how it is in hip-hop that's. just a a reality and so so many of us. artists are driven off of our. performance money our show our Touring. that when something goes wrong like Co. you in the house scared to death cuz you. can't go out there and make on money so. you got to diversify you got to buy. businesses you got to Investments you.

got to do different things so that money. could come in through all different Ang. angles and so that's something I learned. at a older age you know invest in. sneaker stores invest in that invest in. this invest in that and so um that way. money comes in from all over yeah I. think I think we have to learn from that. hindsight because even even for me when. I started out as a Creator I could see. YouTubers who and and YouTube the same. right like one year it's amazing and. then the next year it's not and I saw so.

many people who came before me that were. paying off their parents' mortgages one. year but then the next year they didn't. have money to pay their own rent because. it switches up so fast it is and you. just see that happen to people overnight. and it's painful because their intention. was good they were trying to take care. of their family course but now it's like. longterm they've lost out it doesn't. work well you know we have a thing in. teror Squad we always take care of our. family and always take care of our. mothers and Dad D you know if your. mother and dad wasn't rich or didn't.

have to take care of you we take care of. them and so it's a it's a great honor to. look at my brothers and know that each. one of them take care of their mother. take care of their father you know cuz. we at this age you know if we 50 years. old now you know they're 80 years old so. these times you got to really look out. for them and so I love a person that. actually takes care of their mother. takes care of their father now if. they're wealthy or they have money at a. time great um nothing wrong with that.

but if they ain't got it you know I'm. all for taking you know I went through a. tax problem one time it wasn't really my. fault but I did and the biggest thing I. got scared of when they told me you. didn't pay your mortgages you didn't pay. your car notes you didn't this I had an. accountant I'm sending them wire. transfers and he's robbing me he's not. paying my bills but my biggest fear at. that moment was like oh my God my. mother's house we didn't pay the. mortgage for my mother's house that. would have been the worst thing that. ever happened to me for somebody to show. up to my mother's house and throw out my.

mother and father I cared about their. house and they live in a modest house I. care about their house more than mine um. that's just that's just me yeah what's. that like when it feels like everyone's. like you're trying to take care of. people with an accountant friend people. stealing from you I mean that man they. stole from me a lot of times but I. realize is just not too many people can. have access to money and not have the. temptation of stealing and so you learn.

you know I'm a very trusting person you. know I'm a very trusting person so but. you learn that these guys they can't. handle that and so uh catching your best. friends stealing from you catching. managers catching accounts we just. caught an account and now we Su them. with millions of dollars and so now they. got to pay back you know doe to. insurance or whatever the case may be. but we went through a lawsuit forensic. account these people you bring them to. your house like their family you you you. around their kids like and you know and.

they and they stealing your money and so. uh and you're so busy working yeah. trying to get to money that you ain't. busy watching oh I got $5 deposited in. the bank I got this and this and that so. it's like you know uh they pray on you. when they figure out oh he ain't. watching yeah yeah but everybody what. comes out in the in the wash what don't. come out in the RH comes out in the. rinse yeah yeah how how hard is it to. stay trusting and soft-hearted and a.

good person when when these things. happen that's just who I am yeah so. you're going to carry on being that way. because that's who you want to be that's. who I am a lot of times you know uh. people done stuff to me not just still. but just where you know me and my wife. have discussions and she's like y' don't. change you know you are who you are you. can't let people change change you cuz a. lot of times we dread things and people.

do horrible stuff to us and then you. yourself could become that person you. know and so we're not doing it you know. I told you the story of I was bullied. and then became the bully and so we. don't let people affect who our true. morals and our true character is you. know it happens hurts you move on yeah I. think that's true yeah what what we. often judge in a person is who we become. because you're thinking about that. quality in them so much that all of a. sudden that becomes your reality because.

you repeated that you think like y you. know yeah they did it to me I'mma do it. to somebody else yeah and it's just a. cycle that you got to snap yourself out. of you know and people you don't you. know you don't you don't think that. that's cool because you seen somebody do. that you know you gotta you got to say. this. is this is where but but that's how the. story to my life is all about. taking the negative and turning it into. a positive and stopping the years.

of being poor not being successful not. going to another level of my family tree. from here on I want to pass it down to. my sons my daughters my grandkids and. how and give them that motivation to. change that family tree because before. me everybody you know were hard workers. but they end up being you know poor. regular people and so that's that's. that's why I press on that's why I'm in.

six cities in in one week that's why I'm. like you know it's not greed it's just. taking it to another level so that uh. Generations behind me uh could follow. that example I don't know if it's I'm. not telling you I got money to last. Generations I'm telling you that I've. given them that motivation or they could. say my grandfather you know my. great-grandfather this guy he worked six. days out the week he flew he like to fly. he flew he did you know just that you.

know to change the whole. mindset of our family Tri for me yeah. yeah and that and that's powerful and. needed because I feel. like if people are seeing like even you. at your career at this stage you're. still working that hard and that's what. I see when I look at people in the. industry that come on the show that have. been famous for three decades you know. making money for three decades and. they're still working harder today. that uh what's my man Richard Simmons. Richard Simmons it was guys that I wish.

I knew their names that they used to. have something called. uh was it family squares or back in the. days where they would take these squares. like it's like Tic tact toe and they'll. have your celebrity that been around for. 30 years and damn that's very famous in. America like now we got hip-hop squares. butw Hollywood Squares so so they would. take J shett 20 years from now and you. be up there answering the question that.

this so they've been doing this right a. long time okay you know there's been. celebrities that held on yeah you know. you'll always get a Danny DeVito Jersey. Subs commercial or something like these. guys been sticking around a while and so. that's Fat Joe you know I'm until I'm. out of here you know I want to stick. around you know I want to bump into you. in the red carpet I want to this you. know that's that's what I want to do. yeah I love that I mean talking you were. talking about taking care of your. parents a big part for you is also.

taking care of like you said future. generations and I know that you're a. father to a child who has Down syndrome. autism and as far as I know at least at. the time you you were a single parent. for a while or maybe even well I'm a kid. I was a kid we was like 19 you know so. me and his mother was was together then. we broke up and it was this one rainy. day she walked up we had some like. makeup sets she comes back she says. she's. pregnant I tell her I don't want to be.

with you you know uh and she's like no. this is my baby this this that so thank. God we didn't have an abortion but um. Joey's born and uh it's crazy he's born. in the same hospital that my sister. caught the coma in Bronx Lebanon. Hospital so uh if I get shot I'm going. to another hospital I'm not going there. trust me and so. uh you know the doctor comes and says.

listen we got bad news I never forget. that and he sat me down at her and she. was like oh I can't raise this baby we. got to give him away for. adoption and then my mother and father. just jumped in right in me it was like. oh no this is our baby like we're not. doing that and so uh we've had full. custody since he was born I got to thank. my mother and my father for uh pretty. much raising Joey. you know he's he's their kid you know. he's my kid you know but he's their kid.

you know my father to this day sleeps. next to Joey you know in the same bed. you know and now my father's older and. Joey watches him so Joey if my father. sleeps too long whatever Joy's in his. wheelchair he's watching my father you. know my father's outside telling jokes. he's happy that he's telling jokes you. know he's he's a very smart kid and we. just say uh he's our biggest blessing I. feel like if I would have abandoned Joey. I would have never had the success I.

have you know I feel like uh you know. it's hard to deal with a special needs. kid but they bring so much Joy to the. World and if you know me and you we get. sad we get happy we talking about. depression this guy's always happy like. he's in a state of happy you know uh. sure we wanted you know if he could have. talked if he could have walked. you know but you know like I tell you. part of my process of not being.

depressed not being mad not. blaming God right is always saying all. right dealing with this is what it is we. did it and we got to look forward. towards the positive and so uh so I. never you know blame God I never blame. nobody I just said yo this is what it is. we love him he's ours we're going to. take care of forever we're going to make. sure he's great he's loved he's happy.

and so that's how we deal with Joey um. and another thing I never you know um. blame God for anything you know I accept. the good and the bad you know my belief. in my faith in God is just is legendary. and I believe that all our blessings. come from God you know that's my true. belief in my heart and so just let your. audience know that you know yeah no. that's beautiful I mean with Joey. specifically like what was the most. challenging phase and because I know you. do a lot to also Empower communities.

raise awareness about this because of. course man it's hard you know and then. going back to the hip-hop Rado being. tough so so for many years I wouldn't. let people see Joey or nothing like that. because Hip Hop was. so beef problems you know I never wanted. nobody to disrespect my son and so uh. but you know we. always you know had had this loving. relationship you know the bottom line is.

you know in life whatever God throws at. you or whatever they throw at you you. got to deal with it you got to man up. you know and um I'm proud of the job. we've done with Joey he's just a. beautiful kid you know and you know he. knows he's the dawn you know when we go. to dinner with my son and my and my. daughter you know he sits at the corner. of the table and looks at them like this. my little brother this my little sister. you know he knows that so he's he's he's.

the biggest blessing that's beautiful. man it sounds like you know again I'm. going back to what you said at the start. of the interview was that the guy who. made the music The Fat Joe that made. that music is very different to the Joe. that I'm sitting with 2024 what what are. the biggest differences in what's love. lean back like all the way up like. what's the difference between that and. all I could tell you is that where every. one of those songs you described my back. was to the wall I was fighting for my.

life the only way I knew how to make it. was through music and so I channeled. this energy in this. music uh and thank God they became. anthems and hits but uh you know Fat Joe. the person has always been different you. know I've always been a family man uh. I've always been for my community you. know before we had social media before. we had they you know I've been raising. money for people I've been giving back.

to my community computers to schools. libraries you know I have a business in. the Bronx now with a sneaker cor sneaker. store cor up in YC we have a school in. the store where the kids come after. school they eat they learn computers. they get mentored they this I mean we. don't stop you know just last week we. gave uh to Haiti right Rich my best. friend Rich uh is. so the the the turmoil and and. everything that's going on in Haiti.

where kids are in famine you know and. for some reason I feel like they don't. get this awareness I feel like they. don't get this same love as anybody else. so we raised a bunch of food for Haiti. and money and so you know we've been. doing this when the cameras is off man. you know I just feel so blessed that I'm. able right now when I when I cut it with. you if I want to eat a steak or a lob. stock you eat it whatever I want I could. get it um I'm not feeling bad about that. I worked for it you know but I do.

believe in yo what about them you know. what I'm saying what about taking care. of the less fortunate what about. providing for the people so we've been. like this forever it's just now it's. social media yeah it's nice to be able. to see it though because I feel like. like we're talking about there are so. many dark moments in your life but even. sitting with you for a few moments I'm. like you have a light energy about you. right like as in light in the sense you. know what's so crazy is there's there's. this video going viral I don't know why. something here is going viral I don't. know what it is you can't put a camera.

on Fat Joe and it does just don't go. viral it's going viral I love it there's. no way around it l the and so I did no. it's going I don't know what to tell you. it's something's gone right yeah and so. I did an interview maybe a year ago. right and I remember I was tired and the. guy came up to me I was in Vegas and I. wanted to get some sleep I flew and was. like fat yo man I got a podcast I want. you to do and somehow I allowed him in. my room dead tied and he interviewed me.

and I said I told the story about one. time when I was young you know when I. was in high school I robbed my whole gym. class so I stuck up the gym class it's. like 70 students he says without a gun I. said n without a gun you know I robbed. everybody in fact the guys I robbed. helped me carry the jackets and the. walkman's and stuff outside the school I. couldn't even carry it was 70 you know. but it was it was it was it was power. tripping it was it was like see if I. could do it right but in any case I told.

this story right and now all of a sudden. I don't know yesterday and today it's. been viral media like and everybody's. like oh this guy's a liar like I can't. like you know it's that type of thing. but I looked at. it uh today this morning when I got in. the car and I said man this crazy you. believe this guy who tells this story. raises food and money for hating just. last. and get back to the community and this. that it's just such a.

contradiction um and so uh the Puerto. Rico we send a million pounds of uh we. send a million pounds of women's hygiene. food water when they had the hurricane. you know was four airplanes we sent over. there uh just last year uh some Muslims. from the Bronx uh 17 of them died in in. a fire we raised over $2 million for. them and so we just constantly but you.

know me it's like to the point out there. be care careful what you wish for cuz. soon as something happened they knocking. on that door and they're like Yo. Joe and I'm like all right I'm with you. guys what we doing man how we raising. the money how we going to you know how. we going to make this happen but I love. that you know I tell you a story yeah um. one day I'm driving by. myself and I'm in the rollsroyce. and I got to get gas and I pull over in. the Bronx that's where I'm. from you let me tell it I'm the king of.

the Bronx and uh and so I go to the. Bronx I go to gas station I go to the. gas station to get me a a water when I'm. coming out it's a homeless guy there now. this guy ain't homeless by choice he. ain't one of these hobos he's homeless. you know all you want he's a. real I'm at witsend right so he comes. Fat Joe and I said could we curse on. this yeah yeah course F Joo.

and you fly mother you you fly mother. right he's dead homeless right he says I. don't want no money I don't want no. money. so I'm like yo what's up he's like I. just want you to know a homeless man is. the closest to the street we know what. you do out here for us we know how you. take care of us I got so emotional that. day driving home I was like but but. that's what it's about when you got a a.

homeless dude talking about yo I don't. want no money but I know what you do for. us I know how you take care of us I'm. like wow that's what it's all about you. know what I'm saying absolutely. absolutely and that's I I think doing. good in silence is what real doing good. is because you know then then you're. really doing it for the people then. you're really doing it. for the people people that you're. serving I have a lot of friends Muslim. friends and um you know I'm uh I'm.

Christian right but a lot of my best. friends are. Muslims. and and they very successful and but. they have big hearts and they give back. so much but and they never brag they. never say I gave this I never gave that. I never gave this is you know a whole. different culture and so you know I've. seen them the way they move you know I.

love how they move with how they give. back to their Community you know and. they not trying to shame their Community. by giving back they just you know. Embrace him give it let's move on let's. thank God that we can give back that's. the whole thing yeah you know you know. you got to thank God that He gave you an. opportunity to give back and I believe. uh you know. you know I went to a funeral one time. and. um.

and you know it hit me it was well I. knew this before that but it was Revan. Al Sharpton he was at a funeral and he. said you know when you die nobody cares. what car you drive nobody cares what. clothes you had nobody cares what this. what they want to know is what did you. do for the people and it resonated with. me so much because it's like. what are you doing for the people you. know we happy for you you're successful.

you're living a great life you this but. what did you do how did you come back. and give to the community how did you. come and change lives how did you Mentor. people how do you put people give them. jobs so that you know in my store both. two of my three stores I own two two. stores two of my stores the manages are. single parent mothers one of them just. bought her first house. and she called me one day I get it Joe. man I'm so happy I bought my first house.

I know what you mean now Joe when you. like yo you. know you know we doing this so you could. change your life so these impactful. stories uh they make they make the. Legacy yeah they make everything and. that's how I look at it yeah do you. think do you think Hip Hop's changing. slightly when you look at like jcole. apologizing after uh you know he got. involved in the be and then he stepped. back and he actually said oh you know. what I was being an old version of me.

that's not me anymore I don't know if. you saw that video well me you know the. biggest thing is just yesterday you know. I had one of the biggest most dangerous. rap beefs with 50 Cent I was sitting. next to him in the game having the best. time in the world we're brothers um I. get that but when you called out in Hip. Hop you gotta respond and so I'm a big. fan of J jcole but it started from that. so see he probably saw that that could. get real messy and real ugly and so he.

said yo you know what this ain't me I. don't want no parts of it but he. definitely got a stripe off his you know. whatever he's a sergeant or whatever he. is the the Corporal they took a stripe. off of that because in hip-hop they call. you out you come out you know that's. just what it is that's the sport that's. the sport yeah you got to come out and a. guy like him he he you know he was a. king yeah's so talented you know he's. he's so talented he's a king so it was. like Wow Cole you did that and but I get.

it I get all scenarios he was mature. enough to think past the lyrical beef. and say yo this might turn physical yeah. and also it felt like he he was kind of. like that's just not the energy he wants. to play in anymore that's just not I'm. not mad at him but I'm just saying from. a real hip-hop artist sh you know you. know I've been called out and I got to. step up even if I think the artist is a. million times better than me you know. it's crazy because I remember one time a.

funny uh battle was uh Everlast you. remember I jump around him and Eminem. Eminem I think called the out but he. came out like Everlast said his rhyme it. was incredible and he move you know you. got to come out you know hip-hop you. talking all this somebody calls you out. you got to step out yeah yeah so okay. interesting so the sport is the sport I. love. I'm a huge fan of him I get it from a. mature standpoint but also you know.

hip-hop you gotta you got you gotta. bring the sword out when it's time got. it that's what it's about yeah well we. were saying earlier that you were the uh. we were in the JLo movie together you. play this prominent role of being. therapist you're in the movie too yeah. I'm in the movie too I'm I'm uh I play. uh what am I I forgot what is it what is. what is I got the big horn a god of. something yeah one of yeah yeah I forgot. which one I forget which astrological. side am I I forgot one with the big uh.

Aries maybe anyway yeah I'm one I'm one. of the astrological signs and uh you. play the therapist but it sounds like. you've been on would you say you've been. on somewh of a spiritual journey a. healing journey across your life my. whole life man God has had his hand on. me I've been shot at maybe 30 40 times. there's times I deserved it there times. I seen the bullet go like this and I. knew God was there and so that's why you. say you Joe why you help the people I. mean Jesus man this guy saved my life so. many times like stuff that I was.

supposed to go down for and I never did. and so I'm like wow I'm just so grateful. to God that I got to help the people I. gotta spread the message I got to say. I'm faithful to Jesus Christ that's my. God my Lord and Savior and so uh you. know uh my whole life is a spiritual. journey and and just me. uh being a leader. uh in my community you know how many. people's lives I saved you know how many. killers came to me was like Joe could I.

talk to you yeah I'm homeboy diss me I'm. G to kill him and I sat with them and. literally I tell you I don't drink sat. with them all night and drank Hennessy. with him to convince him not to kill. that guy and that guy never knew that. I'm the guy who convinced this guy not. to kill that guy I don't even like that. guy but I don't want my friend to go to. jail so I'm like like yo bro here you go. nah that ain't it don't worry God to. deal with that guy this is usually I'm.

serious know manyan times from talk to. I've been a therapist my whole life. talking people off the edge I'm telling. you man like y' you know it's like. forget about it I got a friend now he's. fighting cancer shout out pretty Lou it. came back and went away it came back now. he just got the thing thing and then you. know I got to go in there you know now I. got to go to the he said you're on the. list you beside my wife you're the only. person to World on the list he got.

hundreds of friends but I'm the one on. the list I'm the guy that got to go in. there and pray with pretty Lou and see. him fighting the cancer and this and so. it's tough for me people don't real. really realize um in all one day's work. I come do this I'll go to a old lady I. knows funeral after pay for the funeral. uh then go and make a song later and. like you know my life is crazy so it's. almost like I'm like like a I'm a.

hip-hop evangelist at all times though. like this is every single day you know. what I mean where I gotta you know I. can't just be Fat Joe the rapper I got. to go and heal the people in a in a. strange way and you go a new business. venture too right like that's part of. why fight the time when you can rewind. great picture now listen let me tell you. something. you you don't need it now but one day. you might need it I'm gonna be very. happy about it and if your wife tells.

you she loves the salt and pepper she's. lying you got to stay in the game guys. guys why fight the time when you can. rewind the thas rewind it it's the. number one product we have it in Sally's. beauty is the number one product man or. female and so we got rid of the stigma. we got Travis Kelce on the box we got. Tyson Beckford one of the biggest. supermodels in the world we got J khid I. mean John Carlo Nolla famous guy and so. you know I've been uh the one thing you.

can bully me or clown me for is I hate. white hair and so since I was 27 I was. getting white hair and I've been using. all these other products some of them. will burn my skin some of them if it. ain't true the color if I get a brown. it'll look purple you know they clown me. on Twitter Joe got the shoe polish on. again so I wanted to be uh create a. product along with my sister Carolyn. Aronson and Jeff Aronson they own it's a.

tents they own women's hair um products. this the billion dollar company so we're. best friends we've been on vacation with. each other for 15 16 years my wife and. her are best friends and I was like yo C. let's make a product and it's moving. it's it's gone that's man I think in. another year to be everywhere you know. yeah yeah no one wants to get bullied. for having purple hair or like some. orange color the S even me when I used. to go in there I used to sneak in there. almost like I was buying my wife some.

when your wife tells you to buy some. tampons that's like Recon bro you diving. through the aisles you rolling on the. floor you don't want nobody to see you. you go up to the counter CVS you like. yeah get me out of here it's the same. thing with hair coloring with men's hair. coloring nobody wants to know and uh but. we we getting rid of the stigma of it. because men were really uh ashamed to. say they were doing it but uh I had some. artists I stepped to to get on the box. they were like yeah I don't do that I'm. like bro like yes you know you fully.

rewind like like you got to be kidding. me bro you don't use the you don't use. the product like you know you 50. something your lines are like this this. that like your bro all right you can. tell 1 million yeah you can tell I'm. like a detective one thing I could tell. is uh not in a terrible way you do what. you want it ain't my fault but I could. tell Botox and I could tell uh men's. hair coloring I just don't know why I.

could just tell I'm like all right you. know what I'm saying and you know let's. keep it real if you 60 years old looking. 30 you're doing something like you know. it is what it is you know Smokey. Robinson the living legend the icon he. look 23 still you know I mean I'm not. disrespected him I'm saying you know. that's what he feels and you know he. wants to look young till dies yeah I. respect that I ain't got no problem with. that yeah for you as well I mean you. went on your whole weight loss Journey.

yeah I had to be dead what was that like. why did that become the first thing was. Big Pun died yeah right from a heart. attack 20 something you know only people. I knew that got the the died were like. murdered and you know being 27 and dying. because of your your weight that was. like half the journey cuz that was 480. lbs at one time yeah that was half of it. then I had another friend who was. another guy 20 something years old he. passed away of a heart attack I went to.

the funeral he had a daughter like me he. was funnier than me and when I sat there. it was almost like an episode of e eonia. Scrooge where he take you back to look. at your life so I looked at it I was. like oh this is me next so I had no. choice but to you know work out eat. right stay off the cobs you know you. know I went through all that how did you. sett all this up because those are hard. things like people struggle like this is. a struggle like you got to live it was.

just pure motivation from that yeah you. want to live you know people tell me all. the time you're not so fat Joe I just. say yo I just want to live and so this. world is so beautiful that I just want. to live and every day I wake up um I. call some of my friends I'm like you. believe we got another day you believe. we got another day um and and so I just. want to live so uh health is wealth and. as you could be I got a friend he caught.

a terrible infection right this guy's a. billionaire he got a boat bigger than. this building he got everything he want. but we thought he was dying for like a. year and a half they couldn't find dis. inection he got skinny he was just IVs. on them this and this and that and so. thank God he snapped back and they found. it what it was but I mean that's the. true meaning of if no health is wealth. if you ain't got your health and you got. all the money in the world you can smile. at it all you want but if you ain't got.

your health you know you ain't got. nothing yeah how long did it take you. like what was that process Years bro. this was years I used to at one time. when I was really on it I used to work. out maybe three times a day three times. a day three times a day I was like. addicted and if I flew to Vegas to do a. show I go straight in the gym I you know. I wouldn't need a cracker there was that. one time I wouldn't need a cracker I. wouldn't either like I was just like you. know and every day with a trainer uh my. man his name was the Mind muscle.

connection he'd be like buy muscle. connection and he would come and do all. that stuff pushing the 18wheeler attire. in the middle of 90 degree weather box. this you know I did it all you know and. uh and then eventually you learn how to. eat because at the end of the days the. carbs just killing us so it's bread when. you eat it say you take a salty pretzel. it turns into sugar um rice turns into.

sugar um pasta turns into sugar all. these things you don't know and you I've. met people who say y I'm diabetic and. they like I don't even eat sweets but. they don't realize that they these carbs. they're eating is actually going in your. body as sugar and so I had to teach. myself how to eat you know now I I every. time I eat I eat defensively. if I eat bad it's cuz I really want to. eat bad but other than that I'm defense.

so I'm like if I get a rice and chicken. so yesterday I bought a a it's kind of. whack too a yellow rice with lobster. right and then I brought it to my house. I ate the lobster and might have touched. the rice like tip tip the whole thing in. the garbage you know if if if if if I. eat sushi the least rice in the world. don't try to bring the rice this that. everything I'm eating is defense. everything is defense everything is like. yo try to stay away from the carb try to.

stay away from the car get the chicken. with the Sal amazing transformation it's. it's like uh the way you brush your. teeth yeah hopefully everybody here. brushes their teeth twice a day as soon. as you wake up twice a day as soon as. you wake up you got to brush your teeth. right that's number one right and so. that's how I eat now now I eat like you. know even if I wouldn't got a sandwich. right now somehow I would eat one part. of the bread and the three parts of the. bread is still there but I ate the meat.

with the with the that's how we do right. Rich that's how we do all the time. amazing transformation man it's amazing. it's inspiring for others as well feel. weird making it possible still feel like. me so even though I slimmed up I still. feel like the same person so when people. tell me all the time yo joe you look I'm. like what are they talking about like. I'm still what's that movie hallow Shia. shallow how man I look in the mirror I'm. still Fat Joe I'm like yo this be like.

yo you lost weight Not So Fat Joe like. yo what's these guys talking about I'm. shallow how you know it's crazy it's. great Joe it's been such a joy talking. to man thank you for your time your. energy we we end every episode with a. final five these have to be answered in. one word to one sentence maximum as a. poet and a rapper I'm sure this is very. doable uh but Fat Joe these are your. fast final five so question one is what. is the best advice you've ever heard or. received don't stop keep.

going and that's that's that's from DJ. khed nice don't stop keep going that. they want you to stop they want you to. stop he's you know he's a guy I tell him. and you can't just can't impress Ked so. if I tell him yo I just got a TV show. don't stop keep going keep going nice so. he keeps me motivated I like that that's. go okay second question what's the worst. advice you've ever heard or received I. would say the worst advice I.

ever received was drugs are. good yo these drugs are. good nah not worth it I'm. good question number three if they make. a movie about your life who's gonna play. you it's gonna be a young handsome. Spanish Latino guy for sure and I'mma. pick him out you know I'm make sure this. guy is fly as hell but I don't believe. we have one out there yet I don't. believe uh the guy who plays Fat Joe is.

a star yet is it'll be some uh somebody. will'll host do a casting they're not. born yet they're born but we don't know. them yet they're walking around Brooklyn. they're walking around La they walking. around Chicago aspiring artists but they. haven't been on TV or movies yet I've. never seen a guy on TV and say oh this. Fat Joe yeah yeah all right question. number four when you were referring to. movies that it feels like your life has. been sometimes what's a movie that's.

already out there that you think is is. the best depiction of what it was like. I'm a movie guy yeah I'm a movie guy too. that's what I'm asking I love movies. Bronx. tail Godfather Godfather okay go right. now I'm at that Michael [ __ ]. face what I'm saying I got to move in. silence now this is tricky out here I. got to be Michael right now it's so. crazy just last week uh I was thinking. to myself I said all right now this is. this this is Michael K own time it's.

just so wicked out there you got to. think like Michael you know what I mean. so I would say go offer but Bronx tail. is definitely uh one of my favorite. movies of all time I learned a lot from. Bron you know I got shot one time I know. we can't go into that now we we did but. the guy owed me $10 and I kept harassing. him and the guy was so scared of me that. he came back shot me out of fear so you. seen the movie Bronx taale when he kept. colodo kept chasing the guy that owed.

them $2 and sunny the Dawn told him yo. you got rid of him for. $2 I should have learned that in the. Bronx you know so I love movies because. I always learn so much from movies yeah. nice and Fifth and final question if you. could create one law that everyone in. the world had to follow what would it be. one law that everybody else it would be. um. give back to the less fortunate you know. I got friends that are billionaires I.

got a friend it's great I can't tell you. who he is he's he's he's he's bigger. than everything bigger than rap and. everything this guy's big his backyard. is the. beach he has like maybe a $200 million. house in the backyard is the beach guy. published over 60 books you read his. books and he told me you know he looked. at me he said man you you too generous. man like what this says the guy with a. billion dollars he's like he says I'm.

not like you I'm not as good as you I. see how you always giving back and all. that he says I'm not he's like nah I. don't give back he said you know why. when I died my grandchildren I got them. more College that's it they're not. getting my money you know like wow you. know so I would tell everybody to give. back have a kind heart get back to the. less fortunate. if you ain't got nothing to give back. give back your. time whatever you can do for your.

community uh you need to do that man and. and and try to Mentor the youth always. try to tell them the right thing I've. been seeing you a lot in Washington DC. lately as well so tell us about what's. going on there you know just fighting uh. Health uh price transparency you know I. teamed up with an organization power to. the patience one of my friends is the. founder Kevin MOA he's been there he's. been my friend for over 20 years so he. told me what's going on in America and. how many people it's over 100 million.

Americans in debt due to health uh. pricing it's 100 million ain't but 300. million right so that's one in three and. people losing their families you know. when you go to the hospital you sign. over a waiver that says if you can't pay. they could take your property and you. know I read up on this uh Amish family. um where they had a granddaughter and. she needed a kidney and they were afraid. to take her to the hospital and signed.

the papers because they were afraid of. losing the farm to get her a kidney wow. and you know people are scared to go to. the doctor because of the price so you. see you walk around New York you see. people limping people just getting worse. and worse because they what do you do. you send your kid to college or you fix. your leg Yeah or you you know and this. this is going on like crazy and you know. there's actually a law out there that.

says you got to enforce and you got to. tell people the price when they going. there and for some reason they're not. enforcing this and so we're bringing. awareness so I've been going to H um. Hollywood yeah that's what Washington is. sort of like Hollywood right so I've. been going to Washington dealing with. all the. politicians uh trying to get a law. passed and uh Senator braa and Bernie. Sanders came up with a law where finally. says you have to tell us the prices not.

estimates estimates are BS we want to. know what it is and you know I would. what does that do for you it creates. competition say I got to go somewhere I. got to get an MRI I pull up my three. favorite hospitals one of them is. believe it or not one of them will be. 1,200 one of them will be 28,000 one of. them would be. 7,800 of course I'm going with the 1,200. but if it makes competition now they can. charge you whatever they want so shout. out to powers to the patients and all. the politicians let's make this happen.

yeah that's needed I mean I moved from. London to the US eight years ago and in. London we have the National Health. Service the NHS which is available for. everyone for free but then and then you. have private healthcare if you want like. you know a particular service level of. service you want a sweet looking that. Big Ben totally yeah that cost you more. but that's the funny thing the priv. Healthcare in England is actually. private in the sense of it's it's an. elevated experience whereas private.

healthcare here is like even when I. moved in and I was playing like 5 10,000. a year oh man you're like it doesn't and. you don't even get nothing yeah you. don't get anything every time I go for a. prescription I'm still paying the same. thing it's all a gimmick amazing it's. all a gimmick man and so we bringing. awareness to it and Sh that's brilliant. man no that's really important yeah I. feel that I we need to find a way to I. can't yeah it's so sad to see how many. people on the streets or struggling. because they can't afford their medical. like yeah it's painful thank you for. doing that that's amazing how can how.

can people support help how can they. learn actually how canar follow power to. the patients we always informing on. Instagram on social media uh and we out. there man we out there we're in their. faces we're going to get the job done. and help the people this is another way. of you know helping the people using my. voice you know I used to say uh I'm a. voice for the voic less but I I now I. say I'm a voice for those unheard. meaning there's people they got a voice. just you can't hear them well said thank.

you so much man appreciate you grateful. to you man we did it baby we did it. finally finally it's in the books it's. in the books if this is the year that. you're trying to get creative you're. trying to build more I need you to. listen to this episode with Rick Rubin. on how to break into your most creative. self how to use unconventional methods. that lead to success and the secret to. genuinely loving what you do if you're. trying to find your passion and your.

lane Rick rubin's episode is the one for. you just because I like it that doesn't. give it any value like as an artist if. you like it that's all of the value. that's the success comes when you say I. like this enough for other people to see. it.