Claudia Oshry's Guide to Unshakeable Confidence (Before & After Weight Loss) @The Toast

I think a lot of people let their weight. control their lives I didn't think that. I was capable of changing and now I know. I'm capable of that like I can do. anything like I really can't she is a. multi-talented entertainment personality. I hope everybody's having a gy Monday. the one the only Claudia austri what do. you feel is the biggest misconception. about you I felt so misunderstood by. people I I remember getting married and. being like so angry that my dad wasn't. going to be there when I was struggling. with my self-image I feel like I'm going. to cry now sorry um.

the number one Health and Wellness. podcast J shett J shett the one the only. J what do you feel is the biggest. misconception about you oh wow that's a. good question I don't know if I would. say there's one misconception I would. say like though largely and there was a. period a few years ago because I WR I. remember writing about this in my book. where I felt so misunderstood by people. and I feel like unless you were watching. my podcast every day and listening to. everything else thing that I said you. didn't really get me cuz I like I come.

off as like a lot of different things. like a little crazy a little outlandish. but I feel like the person that I really. am is like a sister a wife I feel like. kind of gets lost in the mix sometimes I. like to think I'm like and I'm always. like joking about how funny and sweet. and kind and beautiful I am but I really. do believe that about myself and I feel. like just because I always lead with. like humor and a little bit of like. outrageousness I do feel like that. softer very what I think is genuine um. gets a little bit lost that's so. interesting I mean I can relate in so. many ways I feel so misunderstood so.

often and it's because we have a view of. what a spiritual person or a teacher or. a guide looks like and I think I'm just. trying to be people's friend I'm trying. to be the person who's just reminding. you something yes I feel like your job. title definitely like you lead with that. and people have conceptions about that. before and I feel the same way like. coming from a comedy space especially. when you make jokes that like sometimes. are a little you know uh people are like. oh she's crazy she's radical and it's. just like I'm actually just a girl like.

I'm just a girl and nothing makes me. happier than making people laugh and. like sometimes I take it a little far. but like it's funny it's funny what's a. big deal yeah and and and that's why for. me as well it's like I want to help. people I want to make people feel better. I want to introduce people to great. ideas and insights it's not it doesn't. have to be heavy it doesn't have to be. like every I also love soccer and love. fashion and love you know just I'm a. normal human being and it's like I love. that balance and I think that's how I. see myself as some who has these very.

nuanced interests and hobbies and. everything else but I think naturally. we're kind of forced to be in a. box yeah you can be B 100% I still. believe that I feel like I'm so hard and. I'm So Soft yeah I love that yeah at the. same time at the same time I and I feel. like I'm always leading obviously. because what I do is like just try to. make people laugh which I love so I'm. always leading with that and I do feel. like my sort of sweet sensitive side and. I'm very sensitive um I feel like I I I. I don't show that a lot and I don't want.

to show it that much because I feel like. on the internet so toxic if you open up. about a vulnerability or something. people throw it back in your face and. they use it against you so I'm also. really protective of my own peace wow. when did you learn that you had to do. that um I feel like when I first started. opening up I feel like the first thing I. really opened up about CU I share. everything on the internet and it's not. hard I don't feel like I'm digging deep. to share I'm a like if I meet you for. the first time I'll tell you my life. story that's just how I am so I've never. felt um like I was sharing something. that I wasn't comfortable sharing until. I shared my journey with OIC which was.

so personal to me and you know I got a. lot of support for it but there were. also people you know you're stealing. drugs from diabetics like literally no. I'm not and there was like a lot of. there's a lot of discourse around that. um do people who struggle with their. weight need medication are they stealing. medication from diabetes patients so um. I felt like scared to share that one cuz. I think the emotion I felt most was like. I was really embarrassed that when I'd. gotten myself to a place where I. required a medication and two I did feel. a little pushed to share just because it.

was so obvious to people that I was on. it and you know everybody nobody would. let me live no would let me sleep for 5. minutes they're like she's onic she's. onic she onic and when I did share I'm. I'm ultimately so glad that I did but I. I didn't. feel at first like it was my choice. necessarily that that always feels. harder yeah yeah when you feel like you. had to share something because there was. already so much talk speculation and now. when I look back I wish I shared sooner. it's like the greatest journey I went on. I have so many positive things to say. about it I think when I tell people it.

makes them feel like a little less. embarrassed about their Journey cuz look. at me I'm so fabulous and even I did it. and I wish I did it sooner and I loved. every minute of the journey um but at. the time I was so embarrassed like that. was just the the the emotion I remember. feeling was like pure shame that's I. mean and that sounds like such a hard. place to be we actually interviewed I. interviewed Yan Harry a good friend of. mine who wrote the book The Magic pill. he's on ozm pic and he's gone and done. all the research from the biggest. experts in the space and the naysayers.

in the space and so for anyone who's. looking for a a very reseted guy to Z he. he was brilliant and he talked about it. from so many different perspectives but. going back to what you said one of the. first things that I think so hard for. people is how Society has made people. feel shameful about their body in. general I mean you've talked before. about I saw that I I actually couldn't. believe this existed but you've talked. about going to Fat Camp oh yeah like i'. never heard of my life we never I've. never heard of that living in growing up. in London like first of all explain to.

me how you can get away with calling. something fat camp and what is fat camp. well actually at the time I believe they. were going by weight loss Camp not that. it mattered like colloquy it's called a. fat camp right um and yeah so I went to. summer camp my whole life and when I was. like feel like maybe I was in like the. sixth grade I don't remember how old I. was my older sister was really. struggling with her weight I never. struggled with my weight as a kid and. you know my parents tried a lot of. different things and one of the things. that they tried was sending her to like. a summer camp that was focused on. physical fitness I think what people. think of as a fat camp like a fat Farm.

where like the kids are up every day. pulling tires up hills it wasn't like. that at all it was a very standard. All-American summer camp with Fitness. and diet just sort of at the Forefront. of meals and activities and all my. sisters went to support my older sister. and we ended up having like the most. amazing time we went back I never went. back to the old camp that I had. originally went to we went back every. summer it was the greatest experience of. my life some of my best friends I still. talked to to this day from camp and so I. know how it like sounds and looks to. other people but for me it was just a. regular Camp experience but I also.

wasn't on the program so for any of the. Summers that I spent at a weight loss. Camp I was actually never struggling. with my weight so I would wear this. special bracelet that just let everyone. at the facility know like I'm not on the. program um and then it turns out you. know the second I left Camp I actually. started to you know struggle with my. weight and I really could have used a. weight loss Camp wow I mean so what was. that like then in the beginning years. because I think what's interesting as as. we talk about OIC to me so much of it is. about how we're conditioned since we're. young so I grew up overweight oh did and.

yeah for I was overweight until I was. about like 15 16 years old maybe I can't. picture it and yeah I I'll show you. pictures I will I will my wife has. plenty of embarrassing pictures of me. and and she was as well oh really yeah. she was as well so let me tell you. people who have never struggled with. their weight like are are not people not. that there's anything wrong with them. but like they're not people I can relate. to I feel like struggling with your. weight makes you such a real like. can I curse on here like I feel people. who have struggled with their weight. they know real struggle they know being.

uncom like I just feel I when I meet. someone and they've struggled with their. weight like I automatically know they're. like they're my type of person you know. what I mean well that's that's why I'm. I'm sharing my it creates such a. resilience like you're seriously. especially as a kid oh my God yeah it's. huge I mean like I remember the bullying. the name calling the awkward thing of. trying to pull myself out of a swimming. pool and not being able to like you know. moments like that where you're just like. oh gosh this is the worst thing that. could have ever happened and then being. forced to wear Speedos at school so. British yeah not in America right that's.

that's our version of fat camp yeah you. have to wear Speedos that's terrible. actually yeah and so when I look back at. all of that I think about how much shame. guilt is already set up just in our. perception of what it means to be. overweight and now you're talking about. feeling shame of going on a zic which. you're taking to do the opposite well. it's like you can't win I used to get. like so much you know backlash and and. messages like that I'm setting a bad. example that I live an unhealthy. lifestyle so then I take control of it.

and like I I start changing my life and. now I'm you know running diabetics over. with a bus like you really can't win so. you just have to do what makes you happy. and going on that Journey made me really. happy it was like the first time in my. life where I ever felt in control of my. weight like since I'm like I started. getting weight in college so but since. I'm 18 I it was the craziest feeling it. was so foreign to me and I think a lot. of especially girls who struggle with. their weight maybe able to relate to. this like I was always a confident. person even when you know I was.

struggling with my weight and I was. always really happy in my own body that. was like something I really worked on I. think a lot of people let their weight. control their lives whether it comes to. work or personal relationships for me I. was never going to let it stand in my. way but that didn't mean that I didn't. like that I liked it like I loved myself. and I loved my life but deep inside I. always wanted to be skinny so when. you're an overweight girl like you wake. up every day and you think about like. you look you pass a mirror you pass a. window you're thinking probably a. hundred times a day about like the. inevitable day when maybe one day you. will be skinny so OIC gave me that like.

and to achieve a lifelong dream that you. never think and I know it sounds so. dramatic but to achieve a lifelong dream. that you never think is going to come to. fruition is the craziest feeling and. that's why I really felt so compelled to. share my journey because at the time. when I shared it was 2023 um I think. maybe around the end of the year no it. was like the summer there was so much. negative stuff out there about OIC like. the Daily Mail every time somebody ended. up in the ER with a headache it was. oic's fault and I just felt like. everybody was being made fun of for.

being osmic and no one was really. talking about how life-changing it is. and especially as like a girl who always. wanted to be a mom I was I was like I. can't ever get pregnant at this weight I. have to lose the weight before I can. gain the weight so it just gave me. opportunities it gave me a whole new. life and I felt so compelled to share. cuz it bothered me how negative. everything was about this journey like. we were all supposed to feel shame like. the amount of negative media. representation negative mentions of OIC. like was supposed to I think shame. people into not doing it and I was like.

I don't feel like and I think that's why. Oprah did her special too her special. was really powerful because she's. somebody who's benefited enormously from. it and you don't hear those stories. enough and it makes me so sad so. ultimately it was the best decision I. ever made going on it and also sharing. the journey but at the time I just wish. people had given me like a little bit. more space to process it you know did. you ever worry about the side effects. and and what you because I'm guessing. you're thinking about those things as. well yeah of course so um when I when it.

was first brought up to me by my plastic. surgeon I was like super intrigued then. I spoke to like my primary care. physician about it and both of them were. really like down and excited and they. wanted me to do it so I felt really good. like knowing that my doctors supported. it and that's why like I I didn't share. from day one because one what if it. didn't go well two so it doesn't work. for some people so I make this whole big. thing I'm going on and then I don't even. lose the weight like there were so many. factors that play So I I couldn't share. from day one and then when I started to. to Dro significant weight I was just.

then feeling embarrassed that's why I. didn't share I was like wow I my life. got to a place where it was where I'm so. out of control I need medication to get. me to stop eating like and that's what I. loved about Oprah special was she really. dived into like the illness the disease. of obesity and how it's like telling. someone to stop eating is like telling a. depressed person to just be happy like. it's really not in our chemical compound. so I felt like the whole journey I was. learning about myself I was learning. about the disease I was learning about. the medication and yeah of course I was. worried about side effects but after a. couple of weeks when I had minimal. nausea and it went away pretty fast I.

felt like this was the right drug for me. yeah and then what was it that decided. to get you off it oh well I had lost the. weight and I feel like I was on it for a. year and the first six months I just. kind of let the drug like do its thing I. didn't change my life at all I was like. still eating like crap but that's how. the drug works you eat like crap but you. eat half so I was losing weight and then. halfway through I was like okay now that. I've kind of gotten my life a little bit. under control let me actually try and. change my life so I joined the gym I got. a trainer I started working out I.

started eating way healthier so I did. the journey like in two parts one where. I just kind of let the medication run me. and then where I Ed the medication as. like a a tool to change my life and I. really wanted to see if I could do it. without and I also knew that I had. wanted to get pregnant sometime soon and. you have to be off the medication for a. minimum of two months so I got off of it. in December of 2023 I knew in the next. year I'd wanted to get pregnant and I. kind of wanted to put as much time. between being off the drug and starting. my journey and I wanted to see like if I.

could keep up with my working out and my. eating well regimen without the drug and. I was able to and that's like one of the. things I'm most proud of cuz like and I. never would have been able to get there. if it weren't for the the tool of OIC. and all those gp1 medications having a. relationship that I felt really solid. about but also somebody who just loved. me so much it just made me believe like. what he was saying the only thing I feel. like I'm mourning is my body like that. nobody talks enough about like what it's. like to lose significant weight and then.

get pregnant as a woman it's not like. you know you give birth and then you go. back to work it's like a 2-year thing. from conception to the like till you. really start to feel like yourself again. especially when your job is like being. public and people have so much to say. about your body like I don't necessarily. didn't want to put myself through that. how has it changed you because you like. you said you already confident you. already liked yourself you knew who you. were what's changed I mean I'm. insufferable now like no I think that so. much of my confidence.

was like I really had to work at it do. you know what I mean it was I don't want. to say. fake but I just remember one day waking. up and like deciding to be confident and. slowly by slowly Brick by Brick I built. up a sense of confidence that really it. was real but I do think it was built on. a foundation of like kind of lies and. now that I like really changed my life I. felt so confident but I also felt so. confident that I was capable of change I. think for many years I'm such a stubborn. person I I didn't think that I was.

capable of changing anything anything. let alone this huge thing for me which. has always been my weight which has kind. of been like my Roman Empire so I think. the fact that I successfully changed. something in my life something bad and. turned it into good like that and now I. know I'm capable of that like I. can do anything like I really can I love. that attitude but but how did you build. that energy before like I I don't want. to take away from the fact that even. though you say you were faking it. obvious ly it was working in that you.

were still doing well it seems like you. were comfortable in your own skin like. what would you say to someone who maybe. doesn't have doesn't want to go on a. zemp because they're scared or whatever. it may be but like what would you say. with them so I feel like people don't. like my answer because when I was like. struggling with my self-image I feel. like I'm going to cry now sorry um so. much of my confidence I would say like. all of it came from the fact that I had. a husband or a boyfriend at the time. fiance who loved me so much and he.

thought I was like the greatest thing. and so if he thought it and look at him. like I just I love him so much and so he. thinks I'm so great like that's not that. you should get your confidence from a. man whatever but like I did just to be. loved so um unequivocally by somebody. who I think is so great um that gave me. a lot of confidence like he thought I. was the best he thought I was the. smartest he thought I was the prettiest. so like I was cuz his opinion is the. only one that matters but also like I. look at him and I think of him as like. so Charming attractive like who wouldn't.

want to marry him and he likes me like. oh my God I must be like the greatest. thing ever and and I really feel like so. much of my confidence and it's so funny. cuz he says that he gets Confidence from. me which I feel like really happy that. it's a two-way street but having a. relationship that I felt really solid. about but also somebody who just loved. me so much really um it just made me. believe like what he was saying do you. know what I mean what's interesting to. me is just so much of how whether it's.

body shaming we do to ourselves or that. Society does to us how so much of it is. built up around Aesthetics and visuals. and how health and vitality are actually. not based on simply visuals no but I. will say visually at the time like if. you were to just compare me visually now. and me visually then like I was very. unhealthy like I had a lot of random. medical issues that like a 25-year-old. girl shouldn't be having so I agree with. you that like a lot of times we judge. People's Health based on their weight.

and that's not the case for everyone but. to be clear like it was the case for me. like I was not healthy I did not walk to. work like I was really like living a. very inactive unhealthy lifestyle that's. not the case for everyone you see who's. overweight but that was 1,00 the perc. the case for me yeah and now what's the. new schedule oh well now I'm. pregnant so like it's kind of reverted. back but so not pregnancy wise I just. really like lead my day with little. pockets of activity I think that like. meet going to meetings going to work.

like I'm always being like okay I'll. walk um I worked out like before I got. pregnant I worked out like you know. three to five times a week um I would. spend my weekends like doing things that. I enjoy whilst being active like going. for walks in the park with Ben just like. making sure that I wasn't rotting in bed. as much as I can I'm capable of because. I'm capable of a great deal of rotting. um and then with meals that's really. where I probably struggled the most but. just just trying to be a little a little. bit more well-rounded I feel like I eat.

like a six-year-old and so I do like I. eat rice and chicken fingers and so just. changing sometimes to like brown rice. and Grilled Chicken you know thinking a. little bit more but it's hard cuz I'm. such a picky eater that you know I'm not. going to be making bronzino on the. weekends with like an a tood you know. that's never going to happen I don't. even know what tood. is and then I mean as I'm hearing you. speak I'm just like is there a a lot of. people talk about this right now like. this idea of when you become pregnant. is there like a loss of the life you had.

oh my God 100% like is there a feeling. of like wait a minute just a few moments. ago a few months ago I was I would say I. don't feel I I really I mean I've been. married for uh hundred years and we. decided to wait to have kids and I think. that because we made that choice I am. now not spending my pregnancy and you. know hopefully the next year or two. mourning a life I feel like I lived life. to the full and I really really waited.

till I was ready so the only thing I. feel like I'm mourning is my body like. that nobody talks enough about like what. it's like to lose significant weight and. then get pregnant I don't know how I. feel about it I don't have like fully. flesh thought outs I'm like struggling. every single day but no I don't I don't. feel sad about like a life left behind I. feel like I lived every minut minute of. my 20s like on the edge of cliffs going. on trips partying like doing everything. I wanted to do and when I turned 30 over. over the summer I was like you know what. I I'm done like I really feel and that's.

what I'm so happy about cuz yeah I like. see my friends with kids and I'm like oh. I do wish I had like you know joined. them but I feel so fulfilled in that one. chapter of my life that I'm really ready. to start the next chapter yeah what was. the reason for putting kids off in the. beginning what was the I I would say it. was mostly career I've been working. since I'm 18 and I just could not fathom. taking time off and I I don't know it. just it really scared me it doesn't. scare me so much anymore but also the.

weight thing played played I could not. fathom at my previous weight getting. pregnant I think it would be a high-risk. pregnancy one and two like I think it. would take me to a new weight a new. category that I might not be able to. come back from so I always knew I had to. figure it out before yeah and OA came to. me at like the perfect time yeah I think. the first thing you mentioned I relate. to that is obviously me and my wife. don't have kids yet and we'd love to one. day but I think a big thing for me also. was I was very clear on who I was when. met and things were kind of going in the.

right direction for me and then my wife. I was like really patient and I really. wanted her to find her purpose before we. had kids because I wanted her to know. who she was and know her identity and. have Clarity on her worth and her value. and everything before we have a child. because I just felt I was like I want. her to also live a life and what that. looks like and you know in the past. couple of years she's just like Blossom. and grown it's been so fun to watch and. it's like now I'm like yeah now now you. know from when we're lucky to have.

children it's more you can conceive it. right totally yeah and and that you're. coming at it from a point of like I know. who I am without anything yes uh and I. think that was so important to me for. her I already had it myself and also the. career thing right like as as a woman. it's not like you give birth and then. you go back to work it's like a 2-year. thing from conception to the like till. you really start to feel like yourself. again especially when your job is like. being public and people have so much to. say about your body like I don't. necessarily didn't want to put myself. through that like I really wasn't ready.

for it so I cannot recommend enough. waiting till you're really ready and I. know that that's a privilege but like I. I'm so pleased with how it's worked out. so far and I'm really really glad that I. waited because I I remember I always. used to say like I wanted to have kids. when I was 25 and I remember sitting at. my friend's couch and I was like drunk. and he was like by the way like when do. you want to have kids I'm like when I'm. 25 and he was like how old are you I'm. like 25 so maybe maybe when I'm 26 and I. don't know I I always I've always always.

known I love kids like my niece and my. nephews are my whole life like I've. always known that I wanted to be a mom. and then I started to get a little. worried because I didn't feel it I'm. like oh crap like I I was so annoyed at. the biological clock and I was so. annoyed at Co it like took two years for. me that like maybe if Co hadn't happened. I would have been living my life those. two years and been ready when I was 28. but I was like crap no and I got a. little worried that I was never going to. be ready um because I know it's. something that I want and that's why I. feel so grateful that I very naturally. came to to the conclusion that I'm ready.

and my husband was amazing about like if. I had said him 5 years ago let's have a. kid he'd say okay if I said to Tim this. like he was really let me lead which I. so appreciate he never put pressure on. me to like either wait longer or hurry. up same with our families like nobody. really tortured us about it and I know a. lot of girls get like endless harassment. from their parents and their in-laws. like I didn't get that and I'm so. grateful cuz I really came to the. conclusion on my own so no I don't I. don't like look around and I don't look. at social media and see people like you. know on trips and flying out of planes. and think oh I wish that was me I'm like. you know what I did my time honestly.

that video makes me tired I want to go. take a nap walk me through that internal. dialogue of like how do you get to that. place of feeling ready I think so many. of us are waiting to feel ready in life. whether it's waiting to feel ready to. start a podcast whether it's waiting to. write your book whether it's waiting to. have a kid whether it's waiting to get. married and you're we're just waiting. yeah but we never feel ready for most of. us I know walk me through what you feel. being ready means I feel like jealousy. is a really powerful emotion and I. started to feel like I might be ready to.

start a family when like I would hear. about other girls that I knew friends. people telling me and up until that. point when people would tell me I would. be so happy for them like I would cry. like really genuine and I remember the. first time it was like December of 2023. one of Ben's friends who um his fiance. excuse me wife is one of my good friends. they told us that they were pregnant and. I was so happy for her but like I was a. little jealous and then I was like oh. that's interesting and that's why I feel. like it's so important to like listen to. yourself and be able to identify. emotions cuz I was like okay okay let's. jut that down I told Ben I'm like by the.

way I'm a little jealous of Natalie he. was like oh that's great and that was in. December that was actually when I. decided to get off OIC and I was like. okay good to know and then I just. started like listening to my feelings. and when other people would tell me I'd. be like damn now I'm starting to feel a. little left behind and so really it was. my own emotions that told me I was ready. and I've always been very good at like. identifying my own emotions and like. thinking how does this make me feel am I. pissed am I happy and that's really I. would say how I knew. yeah but it it was a struggle it feels.

like you're someone that always knows. you ready though because you got what. married at 23 yes I got married very. young I got engage me and Ben met when I. was 18 we got engaged when I was 21 so. we dated all throughout college and then. 23 yeah when I got married how did you. know Ben was the one and you were ready. to get married then it just wasn't even. a question honestly I would have gotten. married sooner like I know it sounds so. crazy and it is but we met when I was 18. so I was a freshman in college and then. when I was a senior I wasn't allowed to. get engaged in college it was like girl. get a degree and then we could talk so I. graduated in May and then Ben and I got.

engaged in June it was I know it sounds. it was four years I was like I'm. ready like let's go like I knew like. from day one that Ben was love of my. life it took him I want to say like. three months to know that I was love of. his life but it's okay some people you. know were all on our different Journeys. we all have our own P um I'm you and my. wife's Ben yeah no I I try not to like. hold resentment I'm like oh yeah I. remember that time you didn't think I. was so cute like okay you don't like me. um I don't know I just I just knew and. it's so crazy cuz we met when I'm 18 I'm. 30 now so there is a huge part of my.

life where Ben isn't a factor but I. don't even remember it's like before Ben. and after Ben like I don't. remember it's weird if I like tell him a. story and he wasn't there I'm like ew. where were you like you I I actually. feel like we're related and we might be. but like whatever um I it's the craziest. thing I can't really explain how I knew. but I think when I when we first met I. was like so excited to have a boyfriend. cuz like I loved watching movies growing. up I'm like oh my God I'm literally. share from Clueless I finally have a. boyfriend and was so obsessed with the. idea of having a boyfriend and like the. fact that there was this person who.

wanted to spend time with me and I was. so excited about it and then like I I. feel like our relationship we really. grew up together so the longer we were. together and the more time we would. spend it was like becoming abundantly. clear like we really had the same values. and we really are the same person and. it's so funny because Ben is so funny. but he's married to me so it's like good. luck um and I would say if he had. married anyone else he would be the. funniest guy in every room but people. say to me people have known Ben for like. 3 years like by the way Ben's funny I'm. like no I know but he can't get a word.

in with me um he's just the best and I I. honestly I know it sounds so crazy to. have gotten married so young um and when. we were getting married I I grew up in a. modern Orthodox Jewish community so it. really wasn't that crazy most of my. friends have been married around the. same agees me um but when I would meet. like people you know regular uh secular. folk um they would think it was so crazy. and I remember like being offended when. people would say that I'm like you don't. know me and Ben you don't know but let. me tell you something the older I've. gotten the more I learned like we work. crazy yeah um we've changed so much you.

know and when people say like not to get. married young like they're right for. that they're saying it for a reason I. think that the way it worked out for me. and Ben is really not how it works out. for most people because I'm so different. oh my God I used to be so annoying if. you can imagine it like I was just such. a different person and so was Ben you. know I was like very insecure and I. don't know I just was weird and I and I. grew up I think into a person that's. amazing but I grew up to be somebody a. little different and it's possible that.

I had grow that I would have grown into. somebody that Ben didn't like and it's. possible that Ben would have grown into. he was 21 that he would have grown into. somebody that I wasn't particularly into. but we really made a conscious choice to. like grow up together so I understand. why people said that and they were. probably right for that but we're. different sorry we just are we are no I. I I think that's really fair point and I. think even RI was 25 when we got married. I was 28 and even that is somewhat it's. still you know it's. and it's like it's it's the same for us.

like we were sure you know it worked out. for us but I would say I knew myself. very well Ry knew herself enough at the. time she's definitely grown I've kind of. stayed the same and so there is a sense. of like sometimes you get lucky and. you're fortunate and you're blessed and. it's beautiful and sometimes it can be. really hard and crazy and I and I think. what I'm hearing from you is just like. it's not an issue if whether you're the. rule or the exception or whichever one. you think you are the the point is just.

be thoughtful about it like be because. you don't want to you don't want to rush. into something too young yeah I also. think Ben's a really patient person and. I definitely did not know who I was. literally until I would say a year or. two ago and I think I led with that like. sort of insecurity and he was very. patient with me and he was still like. dealing and growing with his own thing. but I don't know if in those early years. if I was like the best version of myself. and I think that he really saw in me who. like my potential and was very um. measured and really patient so it takes. two people to tango and he definitely is.

like the Kinder patient one in the. relationship and I'm a little bit more. like rough around the edges if you can. imagine and he I I I I would attribute a. lot of our marital success to to him I. love how much you love Ben he's the best. yeah it's amazing I can't wait to meet. him oh my God you've never met him he's. downstairs obviously on a call like let. me tell you my husband is always on a. call I don't know who the hell he's. talking to literally this morning he. doesn't answer the phone for 40 minutes. I'm like where are you he's like I'm. walking the dog I'm on a call who the. hell are you talking to I can't no it's.

it's lovely to see how much you love him. like it's it's really beautiful thank. you I will say like one other reason why. you shouldn't get married young is I. have oddly made so many lifelong friends. much later in life and these people. weren't even at my wedding it's the. weirdest thing like and some of these. at my wedding like girl I don't. know you get out of here and they're. like in my pictures and also I wish. IID waited cuz like if I had been on OIC. at my wedding photos I would have been a. lot happier with the end results of the. pictures but that's my fault that's my. fault no I can so relate to that I'm I'm. at that I'm at that stage where I've got.

a a lot of friends who are older than me. and they all are renewing their vows. right now and they literally were like. Jay you weren't at my wedding but I love. that you're here how weird because. friends change so much from when you get. married to so much and I feel like. there's a point in your life where like. you you have made all of your friends. and 21 was not that for me at all yeah. cuz you haven't you haven't worked. enough yet enough and so many of my like. best lifelong friends are people I've. met through work how's that how does. that what I like my some of my best.

friends like Brian and Taylor like I met. they were guests on our show you meet a. lot of people and like you know the. reputation of podcasters content. creators influencers like is what it is. for Reon like some of them are. insufferable but some of them are just. like the most fabulous people you'll. ever meet in your entire life and that's. my friends Brian and Taylor and they. were not at my wedding and sometimes. I'll think about that and I'll be like. we should have waited yeah I should I. should have listened to everybody well. you give new ass I know but you know. they do say that's a curse I don't know. if that's just for the Real Housewives. but every Real Housewife who has ever.

renewed her vows ended up divorced. really just fun fact that's a fact yeah. wow it's a fact but it's like it's a fun. fact I don't plan on renewing my vows. also I feel like vow renewal is like an. inherently non-jewish thing like Jewish. people don't renew their vows I don't. know a Jewish single Jewish person. that's renewed her vows oh interesting. yeah I don't know if it's like in the. Bible or anything I just feel like it's. not culturally Jewish interesting got it. okay understood understood yeah it's a I. I guess yeah I I've I I'm always trying. to convince rad that I want to do it and.

she's like yeah of course you want. another wedding cuz you didn't plan the. last one oh one I'm so with her on that. although the only reason I would do it. was to would be like to get new pictures. cuz I was like so ugly at my wedding. it's kind of like one of my biggest. regrets I think Ry would do it for new. pictures cuz she want even though she. looked absolutely gorgeous she's still. she's evolved yeah. she but I guess they are it's a time. capsule you know it's a moment in time. not a moment I want to remember there. are a lot of things about like what. people consider a boring corporate life. that actually a somebody without a lot. of like without a lot of that I'm very.

envious of especially when I'm like. entering this phase of my life like me. and my husband both have our own. companies like we don't have maternity. leave we leave and the company suffers. do you know what I mean there is. something lovely about a boring job that. doesn't keep you up all night that you. can set boundaries with that pays that. makes that pays your bills and you don't. owe any you don't run the company if. things are going south that's literally. not my problem like there is a piece in. that when you do this line of work and. nobody teaches you how to do your taxes. not me getting a bill from the. government like in 2018 for like.

$100,000 and unpay taxes yeah and my. biggest fear is going to jail how do you. decide what parts of your life to share. publicly and what parts to keep private. I generally just lead with what I'm. comfortable with like if I wouldn't be. ashamed to tell the person next me on. the train then and I I don't really feel. shame about a lot of things I feel like. maybe that's something I could and. should work on but no the I would say. the OIC thing is like the one thing I. really had to push myself to share but. for the most part I share what's. comfortable and I'm just I'm an open. person I I think that some people find. that inconceivable but I just am so it's.

easy for you but you were saying earlier. that there's there's times when you're. like oh this could be judged this you. know like this could be misconstrued so. and I think that's a really valid point. I appreciate you being so honest about. it that's why I'm raising it because I. think at one point we were in this phase. where we're like vulnerability means you. share everything with. everyone and I don't subscribe to that. definition of vulnerability I think. vulnerability is actually I know why I'm. sharing it with this person and I feel. safe to share it there and so I think. that society's had to evolve and then.

you also see performative vulnerability. where people are like literally telling. a vulnerable story only because because. you think you get rewarded for it. totally exactly which then ruins the. purpose of vulnerability because then. it's not vulnerable so it's like this. messy space where I'm trying to I'm. constantly reflecting on like what's. truly vulnerable how comfortable do I. feel about it what does that mean yeah I. guess then like I I wouldn't categorize. myself as a particularly vulnerable. person because when I share things even.

things that are deeply personal I I. don't feel like it's a big deal do you. know what I mean I'm just an that's just. how I am yeah so I would feel weirder. not telling people things yeah like even. when I was trying to conceive with Ben I. do a podcast every day and I'm always. talking about what's going on in my life. in my marriage and and it was this huge. part that I wasn't sharing and it felt. so deceitful it was so foreign to me. because I'm so used to saying yeah last. night I did X Y and Z and my color my. underwear is purple like I'm such a. sharer that actually not sharing is what. makes me uncomfortable yeah and why did.

you not share that what was the you know. what it's it's like a Jewish. Superstition thing like on culture indan. culture has that it felt um private yeah. you know yeah yeah yeah no no I I think. Indian culture and Jewish culture are. very similar has a lot in common and. yeah there's definitely there are. definitely certain things that you don't. share and you don't want to open up too. much about you wait till they're real. and taking care of yeah exact yeah no no. I respect that and I get that I think. it's I I think it's healthy for people. to you know find I I just I just want to.

encourage people to think about you know. whether they're a public figure or not. who you share what with is so important. and just don't don't fall into the Trap. of oh everyone's being vulnerable that's. what it means to you know yeah I think. that's like a byproduct of the internet. is like nobody really keeps anything to. themselves anymore and I think what. started out as like a genuinely like. good initiative to like open up about. things is now like we're all sharing we. all know a little too much about each. other you know and feel let's pull back. yeah sometimes I watch some like well. she didn't tell us that like I don't.

think there was a need for us even. myself like today on the podcast I was. like I gotta go I gotta poop and it's. like why would I say that and just say. it again do you know what I mean yeah. yeah yeah and and also one thing's. really interesting to me I had a friend. I was at a friend's birthday last month. and he said to me he was like Jay like I. I no it's like you never post what we're. doing personally and privately and and I. said to him I said it's because I'm. really lucky I think my my public life's. amazing but my private life's better. than my public life and I imagine a. world in which I'm sitting in an old.

rocking chair talking to my grandkids. and talking to family and sharing these. stories that no one knows anything about. and there's something about that feels. really sacred and special to me and I. really want that because I remember. years ago sitting with someone and I'm. not even family or close with him but I. remember sitting on a beach with him and. he was an older man I was in my late 20s. he was probably in his late 60s and he. just had so many life stories to share. he wasn't famous he wasn't well known. and he just had all these cool stories. that I was like no one's going to know.

these but he gets to live them every day. and there was something about that I was. like I want to have memories that are. only mine like that was important to me. I think that um that's something I learn. as I get older but it also makes it. complicated when sharing is your life um. and I feel like there used to be a time. when I would literally be sharing a. piece of content every 30 minutes I. would have a cocktail and post which is. like so dangerous and stupid um but now. what was the craziest oh my God used to. be like blackout in a Drive-Thru at. waterburger in Texas like blackout.

ordering like a crispy chicken biscuit. like whatever like and it was just I. looked so scary and I catch up all over. my face like and I think that's why. people you know that's why I have a lot. of the following that I do they loved. that life but that's not my life anymore. and it occurred to me like several years. ago that I didn't have to share every. thought that I have one was getting me. in trouble and two like yeah some things. can just be like thoughts or memories or. things that you keep to yourself and so. I do feel like my strategy has shifted. but it's tough when that's also how you.

make a living yeah you know yeah yeah. yeah that's yeah so how do you balance. that I'm working on it yeah it's hard um. it is hard I think that I've gotten much. better and I look at it a lot like this. is my job we're putting out content like. for the job but it doesn't have to be. like the most authentic 100% 360 degree. view of my life like I can have things. for myself that's it's it's good to know. you're working on it that's the point. right it's like none of us have figured. it out no if I went back and watch like. an Instagram story from 2019 I would die. I would. I was out of control like I just used to. say so many things like stop talking.

okay stop like not everything needs to. be shared one thing I want to dive into. with you we've talked about OIC we've. talked about pregnancy we've talked. about marriage and and of course we can. keep talking about those but I think. what often happens with someone like. yourself and I I'm projecting because I. feel this happens to me sometimes but. I'm projecting this idea that people. don't see the hard work from a business. perspective the strategy perspective the.

sleepless nights the growth like you've. built something incredible thank you and. it's shadowed not in a bad way but it's. overshadowed by this amazing Persona. that you have and your charisma and your. aura and everything else right it's like. it's that's what we're watching and. that's what we're captivated by but. there's a really thoughtful business. person behind it who's and and I don't. mean that from a oh you're just figuring. how to build a business I don't you mean. yeah I mean it from like a you've you've. figured out how to turn a Tumblr right.

page into you know bu yeah exactly which. which is really amazing and I think so. many people today want to do that right. so I wanted to kind of go back to the. start and ask you like what did you want. to be before go with no job that's a. great question I almost like didn't have. time to figure it out so I started this. tumbler in um freshman year of college. which is when people figure out what. they want to do and it very slowly but. also quickly like became something I was. making money off of so much so by the. time I graduated I was making like.

sponsored Instagram posts for a fee that. would have been my salary if I ended up. with like a job in media and at the time. like content creation was not a job so. when I made the decision it just made no. sense like to sit at a desk and earn a. living that was comparatively small to. what I was pulling for my Instagram but. people were just like they couldn't. believe it they're like it's not going. to last forever it's not and I'm like. maybe but maybe what if I just ran with. it and it was really like inconceivable.

to people that I was not getting a job. postgrad and that I would be like on my. phone and I understand why because right. after that I was making a really good. living but I was doing nothing like I. was home all day and I was watching a. lot of TV and I was like recapping it. and writing funny blog post and I was. making money but I was not doing. anything like I had no structure to my. day I did not set an alarm and it was. lovely but it was not fulfilling and I. knew that it wasn't a sustainable way um. and that's why when we started the. podcast I loved it so much for a million. different reasons but it gave me.

structure it gave me a day like and and. now even to this day I very much operate. like on Monday to Friday 9:00 to 5 I. work 40 hours a week like every other. American like and I think some people. run from that sort of convention but. when you didn't have it it was like kind. of horrible so I crave that sort of. structure inability like seriously if. you're looking to answer an email for me. after 5 o' I'm not answering like I have. boundaries and I love that my life kind. of mirrors that conventional work life. but that was a goal that Jackie and I. like set because this line of work well. yes it can be very lucrative it is kind.

of nuts and it can be a little unstable. you have a month where you get a ton of. work and a month where you don't get so. it was fun for a girl who was 21 but I. knew it wasn't going to be like a. sustainable way to live but the funny. thing is that I think there's like a. large you know misconception that like I. work an hour a day people are always. saying that to me like it's like when. you say someone from SNL Works an hour a. week like well no you see them an hour a. week you see me 1 hour a day on the show. but there's so much that goes into. running a show of that size and also. it's not the only thing that I do I I'm. not bothered so much that people think I.

don't work like whatever you know like. sorry you're dumb you don't know how the. industry works like I work hard. okay have you ever had a real job oh my. God okay so yes like in the sense that. throughout high school and like summers. in high school I was a camp counselor I. worked at a toy store by the when I went. to college all through four years of. college I worked I had an internship um. like a paid 5 day a week internship at a. media company it wasn't internship but. it was structured at like a corporate. job so yes I did work in a corporate.

office for four years never like full. full-time because I was part-time. student and I probably would have worked. at that Media company postgrad if I. didn't decide to become a full-time. content creator um so like yes and no. yeah what did you learn from the toy. store The Internship that toy store was. not for me like seriously gift. wrapping is Hell on. Earth I still can't do it and honestly. when anybody asked me to wrap a gift I. actually have Trauma from that. store really yeah it was horrible like. that stupid gift wrapping section like.

no matter how many times somebody showed. me how to do it like I could not. do it here I am trying to make this. amazing point that you learn. alling I was trying to put for this idea. that maybe you picked up all these. really cool skills that help you in your. career today but actually I will say. like working at a toy store like having. having to talk to strangers like who you. don't know and like pretend like you. know what you're talking about that. builds character that builds actually. like a great personable Vibe um in the. corporate. space I feel like I learned much. honestly.

I I liked the free lunch like it was. amazing it was one of those big. companies that gives you free lunch and. there was snacks everywhere like free. snacks I was always eating goldfish and. M&M's and I liked I don't know actually. my sisters worked at the same company it. was this huge company with like. different media companies within it so. they all worked at different companies. so we all would have lunch together I. have very fond memories of that time and. I think it's a good corporate like media. especially that's like a lot of women. it's um it's a good environment to learn. how to talk to people learn how to deal. with like workplace Antics and people's. personalities and sometimes I do miss.

like I think there's a lot of stability. that comes with a corporate job. especially when you're thinking about. like motherhood I mean some of these. over here with their six months. paid maternity leave like that is a joy. and their a corporate health insurance. there are a lot of things about like. what people consider a boring corporate. life that actually as somebody without a. lot of like without a lot of that I'm. very Envy as of especially when I'm like. entering this phase of my life like me. and my husband both have our own. companies like we don't have maternity. leave we leave. and the company suffers do you know what. I mean there's no built-in we have our.

own twers health insurance it's. expensive and it sucks okay like people. there is a little bit of that privilege. from the corporate life and I know. people who are in corporate would look. at someone like me and be like oh I. always wanted to be my own boss and it's. great but you know there's no insurance. yeah there's pros and cons either way. there is 100% And I feel like I'm only. as I get older appreciating the pros of. that sort of what people would say more. stereotypically boring life yeah I I and. and I think that stigma needs to go as. well I think that there was this whole. cultural shift towards entrepreneurship. quit your job build your passion and.

it's like I don't think either is for. everyone and I think we've kind of made. like I we put we've put more value on. the the lad the entrepreneurship correct. but to be clear I feel like we did. people a disservice when we did that. because there is something lovely about. a boring job that doesn't keep you up. all night that you can set boundaries. with that pays that makes that pays your. bills and you don't owe any you don't. run the company if things are going. south that's literally not my problem. like there is a piece in that yeah now. you don't have as much creative control.

who cares yeah and also just like I I. think about this very often like I. couldn't do anything without my team my. team are all employed right like and. it's like I couldn't last without them. so is that like one of the best parts. though of being a business owner is like. other people making their living from. you I love it it's the best feeling in. the world it's the craziest feeling yeah. it's the most fulfilling feeling I and I. know I couldn't do anything without them. which is why I value I'm like are we GNA. push entrepreneurship you know to the. hill but it's like what would we do. without our amazing team members like I.

I know I wouldn't survive my chief of. staff was like unwell for like a week. and I was just like I was like I don't. know what to do right no that toxic like. hustle culture entrepreneurship I'm not. a fan of yeah and but was there ever a. time you had to do it was there ever. time you did have to work 24/7 before. when when things started to really blow. up for me but it wasn't this like. standardized economy like it is now like. there's a formula you blow up on. Instagram you get an agent you get a. manager you get a rate card you get a. Media Kit like no that was like not the. case for me so when things started to. work really quickly I was doing all my. own deals I did not have a publicist I.

did not have a manager I did not have an. agent I didn't have an assistant I it. was literally just me and it was. manageable because it was my full-time. job but I don't know about. like I'm literally 17 like somebody help. so I was just kind of making it up as I. went and I think people really. underestimated me because I was. advocating on my own behalf I was 18 I'm. much better now but I used to have like. a really thick Long Island accent and I. was just like every other word out of my. mouth is like and totally and it's not. necessarily giving you you know. businesswoman so I would get.

underestimated a lot and it was a unique. time now the girlies and boys but mostly. girlies who end up doing what I do now. it's kind of all set up for them but at. the time it wasn't a thing people like a. brand would reach out and based on like. if it was a brand I heard of like one of. the first Brands I ever worked with was. Burger King and they're like how much. would you want to and I was like $1,000. and they were like okay and I was like. $1,000 I bought a purse I was like. and then I forgot like I had to pay. taxes but whatever um and that's another.

thing by the way when you do this line. of work and nobody teaches you how to do. your taxes not me getting a bill from. the government like in 2018 for like. $100,000 and unpaid taxes yeah and my. biggest fear is going to jail but yeah. that's another thing they don't tell you. and nobody teaches you you kind of just. have to learn along the way now I feel. like it's pretty set up where if you. join this line of work there are certain. business managers and accounts who know. how to do this but at the time when I. was getting started it was like girl. you're on your own good luck. have you ever been close to going to. jail no um no if only I was that.

interesting like when I was a senior in. high school I went to go visit my sister. Jackie um at college and it was a flight. so I packed up my things I didn't have a. so I grew up in Manhattan so I didn't. have a license at the time which used to. make traveling really hard because I. didn't have any form of identification I. used to give them my high school ID. they're like this is not legally. admissible so i' be like I don't have a. license sorry I'm literally 17 and I. don't have a driver I don't have a. driver's license and for some reason. they pulled my bag and they were going. through my wallet and they found my fake. ID and they were like I thought you. didn't have now now I realized they were.

like doing this to scare me but at the. time I thought I was really going to. jail they brought a cop out she wants to. call my parents she go she's swiping my. hands you know when you ever get like. that and they're like you tested. positive for uh explosives i'm like. what are you talking about I'm. literally a high school student wait how. do you test positive for explosiv I. don't know I mean I had gotten a. manicure so I imagine there was like. some chemicals on my hands but like it. was so they were really trying to scare. me and this police officer was like. listen I think you're a good kid I'm. going to let you go and I ran for my. life I was so afraid but I was. never I didn't break the law I didn't.

say that this was my idea it could have. been my cousin Sandra like it was the. scared most scared I've ever been in my. life and probably the closest I've ever. gotten to going to jail which is like. not that. close still it was scary it was scary. and let it be a lesson to any of the. miners listening like put your fake ID. in your check bag got it yeah put your. fake ID in your check bag don't say I. never taught you anything what advice. would you have like you were saying like. it seems like and I agreee with you. there is more setup we kind of I think. our careers actually we didn't know each. other then but they took off around the.

same time mine was 2016 as well I was a. lot older I was 28 okay so like 27 28 so. you had like a pretty good idea of the. world yeah to some degree for sure I. mean I never knew a person I'd never. known anyone who' worked in. entertainment anyone who' worked in. media anyone who'd done outside anything. outside of London so it was a whole new. world for me completely but you're right. there are more systems today than they. were then what what advice would you. have for people who are at the age you. were when you first blew up like 17 18.

years old because that's happening more. and more now but you were more of an. anomaly that's become now I'm old in the. space yeah I have two really hardcore. pie yeah I mean you're ancient sorry um. I have two extremely important pieces of. advice if you find yourself wanting to. get into this line of work like I don't. care who you are where you're from what. you've done delete all your old social. media posts like none of it is going to. age well it's going to come back to bite. you in the ass and it's going to ruin. your life like if I had to go through. what I went through like everybody found. my old tweets and they were like oh my. God she's crazy delete your.

tweets I can't believe people are still. having their tweets girl delete your. tweets like stop that's the first second. of all is every dollar you make put 50. cents in an uh savings account for your. taxes because that's depending on where. you live like that's what it is it's. half and the good thing is sometimes you. save too much and then you get a little. left over but just know if somebody pays. you $100 you got 50 yeah very pragmatic. advice well the taxes ever in my life. like oh tell me about when when before I. had a business manager trying to do my. own taxes with like an old school. accountant who like I think I got from.

like a family member they had no idea. what I did for a living and so I was. underpaying I was Under reporting I was. not getting any like 1099s from the. brands that I work with it was such a. mess it was the Wild Wild West so much. so that years later I got that huge bill. and it was like the worst thing to ever. happen to me I almost had to go on a. payment plan with the government like it. was so crazy and I think that happens a. lot in entertainment especially this. like new wave of social media. entertainers so finding a an accountant. a businessman manager or teaching. yourself that's fine but as long as. you're putting away half of what you.

make for taxes like you're safe yeah. don't you think it's incredible how much. you've learned in the last day years yes. sometimes I go back and like read my old. emails of like me like talking to people. and I'm like girl that's the worst email. ever but it's like so cool to see how. different I speak now and how I'm I. think a lot smarter and able to Advocate. on my own behalf and and the little girl. sending those emails from her couch like. that's who I am yeah that's big did you. ever pretend to be own man. th% what the name Rebecca I was always.

pretending to be my own assistant like. trying to get dinner reservations trying. to set up calls cla's available. meanwhile it's like literally me and it. worked 100% it worked did they negotiate. on your behalf sometimes for well I. actually was always negotiating on my. own behalf and I because I always found. that like so many of the girls who. worked at media companies worked at. agencies these account managers were. followers of mine were listeners to the. toast and that's always worked on my own. behalf actually I think like a huge. demographic of my following is Media. girls girls who who work at Brands who. work at agencies and so it's always kind. of benefited me to lead with me because.

they're excited to work and they want to. make it work and look it's it's tury on. the other line if someone wants to be. the next to you and start the toast and. you know start their version don't don't. everybody's set they the toast is enough. okay what advice would you have for. someone who's listening to you watching. you going I want to build that I want to. create that where where should they. start what should they think about well. I would just get started I think a lot. of people are always talking about. they're like making Strate stry plans. and outlines for projects just get the. project up and running you can record a.

podcast on your phone the voice memo app. actually is very high quality audio it's. good enough for a starting podcast then. you can start to make money invest in. the sh microphones that everybody has. but before then like just get started. people are always like throwing launch. parties for things that don't exist yet. like just get to work do it yeah don't. don't overthink it no and it's also like. it's a podcast okay it's not like the. nuclear program it's just just talk. what's the nuclear program I don't. know I don't know I was kind of sound. smart I I couldn't think of anything no. I love it I I I could agree with you.

more as well I think there's just such a. I feel like we're all stifling ourselves. by procrastinating no we're afraid of. being judged right we want to put. something out that's perfect but it's. like you don't get far without people. making fun of you like I'm sure my old. post used to get sent around my high. school like oh my god look what Claud is. doing cringe cringe cringe well it's not. so cringe anymore like girl CU I'm. successful and you're not but you have. that's just part if you if you can't. take being mocked. like I wish that weren't the case cu. people are cruel and it is what it is. and think about how you talk to your. friends about people on social media.

someone's going to talk about you like. that and you have to be okay with that. yeah did you lose any friends along the. way no actually I've always been really. good I've never been that girl with like. a thousand friends I've always had like. five really good friends and they're the. same friends I love that too they're. I've like the best friends um but you. know you do notice people treating you. differently like peripherally um and. whenever anybody like started being. extra nice or whatever I always accepted. it like sure you want me to come to your. Hampton's house I'll be there but you. know you got got to keep note of people. who only started acting that way at a. certain time in your life yeah yeah yeah.

you have yeah there is definitely that. switch and and yeah I'm the same as you. have all my same friends from back in. the day I can't wait I literally fly to. London tonight to see everyone looking. forward to just yeah just catching up. kicking it and it's it's one of those. things that I feel so fortunate that I. had such a good group of friends right. before everything took off you must feel. that with Ben too because it was around. the same time so I was like yeah I guess. I met Ben freshman year and freshman. year is also when I started my blog I. don't think it really took off till a.

year later but he's been there since the. very beginning yeah how how how much do. you think that that's a good question. well I often like thank the Lord that I. don't have to date at all period because. I think dating in this day and age is. horrible but also like with my weird job. like I think it would just I wouldn't. even know how to explain it to people. and like I would just feel so like. awkward and embarrassed so I'm like. grateful for that um but again I think. having this really stable force in my. life in Ben when it CES to when it came. to like you know how I felt about how I. felt about my job like I think stability. is so beneficial when you're trying to.

build a business and like having someone. to come home to and having a very stable. personal life I think it allowed me to. be a little nutty in different areas of. my life like my job because I didn't. have to worry that I was going to come. home and it would be chaos like Ben was. always there just how was your day yeah. I think that's what it is you just hit. the nail on the head I think there's. certain stages in life where you go if I. decide this it now no no longer takes up. any space I felt that way about getting. married I felt that way about deciding. with City we're were going to live in. cuz when we first moved to the states we. lived in New York for 2 years then we.

moved to LA we've been there for 6 years. when we decided we were living in LA and. we got our place it was like another. thing there was a settled that freed up. space and I think we're currently living. at a time where we struggle to make. decisions because we don't want to kind. of you know put our Roots down but. actually that creates more chaos in our. lives a th% and I think we also live in. a culture that values that sort of like. wonderless so I live in my car and I. don't care I don't have a job well I. like a little bit structure a little bit.

boring a little bit settled I think. that's me getting older but I also think. it's just like there's value in also. leading a very sort of ordinary per. that's one of my sister's favorite. quotes I I forget it's like you know. being ordinary in your personal life so. you can be violent in your creative or. artistic life because it's like you. can't have a million balls in the air at. one time but so to have a very um I. don't want to say regular cuz I feel. like that has a negative connotation but. like a very peaceful very settled. private life it really does allow you to.

you know for me it's my work for anyone. it could be something else just to like. I don't know up you know. what's what's the hardest part about. working with family and what's the best. there is one really yeah I know and I'm. unique in that I think some people have. different family issues I could never I. mean look at how many female podcasting. Duos that it's every day we're talking. about another one breaking them up me. and Jackie will be podcasting till the. day that we die like we are Bound by. Blood um she's the only person I can. really talk to honestly like I think a. lot of people think I'm very. confrontational cuz I'm loud and like a.

little aggressive but actually like if I. have a problem with you I'll just start. crying like I cannot talk to people um. except my sister I could say whatever I. want and it just like I don't have a. single complaint about working with. family that's amazing that's impressive. I know I love that me too to some people. they're like so confused by it for me I. wouldn't have it any other way yeah no I. love that for you I'm glad I mean it's. it's the best thing when Works yes yes. and I know I'm special and and lucky. that that it does work how has your.

relationship had to change like what's. it meant to keep that up like what have. you had to do in order to have a sister. relationship and a business partner. relationship because Ora all your. conversations always about the podcast. yeah I mean it's so intertwined but. interestingly enough when Jackie and I. were growing up we're Four Sisters total. from top to bottom like there's six. years between us so we're all really. tight and we were all really tight. growing up you know there were different. Dynamics as we got older like in the. beginning it was always the two older. sisters and the two younger sisters me. and Margot like we were just sort of.

divided by age and Olivia and Jackie. would like leave us out and me and Margo. were just like sharing a room so we were. like okay whatever I guess it's just us. and then as we got older my interest. started to align a lot more with. Olivia's um and then Jackie and Margot. became like really similar and really. close so the Dynamics have always. shifted but the Dynamics when we were. kids were never Jackie and I we actually. probably got along the least we didn't. fight we didn't hate each other we just. were not drawn to one another so I would. say we were probably the least close out. of all four not that we had issues but. we were just not I I don't think we. understood each other Jackie's very.

reserved Jackie's very quiet but not shy. quiet me I'm spreading my legs for. everybody I'm like what's up who you. want to talk to let's go here let's go. there um so I think that I thought she. was like you know weird and she thought. I was weird we didn't understand one. another and then when we started to work. together our differences ended up you. know working in our favor um it made the. conversations on the podcast more. Dynamic and we just very naturally. became so close through work but also we.

were talking all the time you know so. wait when you're when you're putting out. an episode how much of it have you. talked about before zero literally zero. Z zero every single episode is. completely off the cuff everything about. it we have like five topics that we need. to hit every day whatever the the news. of the day is but everything else is. completely off the cuff like we've never. once had a convers sometimes we used to. sit on FaceTime for like an hour before. we would start recording to get set up. and we would just end up talking and we. actually felt like it was ruining the. show she calls me 10:30 we start. recording at 10:31 like we do not. because we don't want to waste any of.

the it's we we'll never recreate a. conversation that's so fake like we just. go for it that's amazing so that way. you're really catching up in that time. too exactly because you're avoiding. talking the night before and you saying. what you did and she lives in a. different state so we have a lot to. catch up on how when did she move and. how when did you guys she moved I think. 2021 and I was like okay it's the end of. the show like we'll we'll do remote but. who the hell wants to listen to remote. podcasters like it's so so coy and it. sucks and I knew that it was the. beginning of the end and I was freaking.

a little bit and let me tell you it's. the best thing to ever happen to us one. um because of covid we were forced to. really invest in the tech so there's. actually no delay there's no lag a lot. of people don't know that we live in. separate states so I think a lot of. times people are shocked to find out. that Jackie doesn't live in New York. anymore um which makes me so happy and. two a little bit of the distance. physically has benefited us greatly. because we're no longer on top of each. other and we get to like you say have. these natural catch-up conversations.

that we might not be having if she lived. down the block for me which she did for. many years so it's actually been the. best thing to happen to the show and I. thought it was going to be like the. beginning of the end what makes you feel. like when you recorded a great episode. how do you know oh my god when we just. laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh like. sometimes we are just so silly that I. don't even think we're speaking English. anymore like it's just that sisterly. thing where you can really only act so. nuts with your sister those are the best. episodes like true belly laughs yeah and. that is something you can only do with. someone you know very exactly very well.

exactly and you guys call each other. afterwards and like oh my God you are so. funny that's a good question no actually. it's so um routine to us now that's kind. of sad we should be like listen that was. so funny um no we don't do that but it. kind of protects why that hour is so. good right like that's the point like. and we're not trying so hard like we're. just talking yeah yeah that's it's such. a special skill it's actually just. special talent and skill I agree that. podcasting is a skill and it's a talent. because I think every I mean the running.

joke is like you know everybody has a. podcast not everybody should but there. are a lot of failed podcasts and I think. that a lot of people think like yeah I. could talk for an hour a week well I. actually don't think you could it is an. art especially with a co-host especially. as an interviewer when to talk when to. listen when to stop and so a lot of. people don't possess that skill and and. I appreciate you saying that because. it's definitely a skill the same way. like you know any other job is a skill. like if you're a mathematician you know. you need a certain set of skills and. podcasting definitely requires that too. yeah no I I just like to point it out.

because I think we just it is that I I. have so many friends who just like I. remember when when I first started. creating content and all my friends like. oh we could do that and and then it was. like this whole journey where everyone. realizes that it's different and I think. with you because it's so natural and. because it's so off the cuff it can. often be you can kind of be like oh yeah. well that's whatever but it's like no no. no there's there's a real talent there's. a skill there how much have you. practiced over the years or was this who. you were at school with your friends.

like is this just who you've been where. was the training where were the Reps. it's this is always who I've been like. very like leading with like I've always. loved attention I've always loved to. talk I've always loved to make people. laugh but I do think that I have. practiced and rehearsed a little bit in. recent years just knowing when to listen. that's always been my um that's the. biggest critique people have of me on. the show and they're totally valid in. that I never let my sister talk I talk. over people I'm sure I've done it to you. I'm so sorry s like and I'm really. trying um it's one of my worst skills. personally and professionally I do it at.

a dinner party it's so annoying and like. when other people do it I'm like oh my. God she didn't shut up and people are. like that's you so I am working on. that I used to be much worse so it's a. work in progress but it's important to. know like your skills but it's also. important to know what you're not good. at and I know that I'm not good at. knowing when it's my time to. listen like right now have you ever. measured how fast you took no but I know. it's insane and if you believe it ins I. used to talk so much and it's funny cuz. me and you I'm at the opposite end like.

I usually talk so slowly yeah you're. very measured yeah noce it's so funny. because when we're together I'm just. like I'm speeding up slightly just to I. need you to listen to episodes of the. toes from like 2019 I used to swallow. full paragraphs like I don't even know. what I was saying you think it's fast. now to me this is me being so much. better it's amazing it used to be really. bad it's amazing have you you talked. about their like wanting attention and I. think anyone who doing something. publicly naturally there is a part of. them that enjoys the attention enjoys I.

I always say like I love when people. come up to me on the street and say. hello I tell people in the podcast to. say hey if you see me come and say hello. I want to say hello to you uh I I really. appreciate the feedback and the energy I. get I had a I was walking a few years. ago now quite a while ago with one of my. clients who's a well-known actor he gets. recognized a hundred times for every one. time I get recognized so super wellknown. and successful and like he'd get stopped. i' get stopped once he'd get stopped. multiple times I'd get stopped once and. I asked him like how does that feel and.

he said you know what he goes Jay you're. really lucky and I was like why and he. said you're lucky because people stop me. for who I pretend to be and people stop. you for who you are and I was like wow. like that really stay it really stayed. with me it was one of those moment. you're not g to tell us who it was no I. can't uh but it no fun but it was I. that's my private part you'll tell me. after we set recording but but that was. one of my favorite moments it it stayed. with me ever since that I'm like wait AE. like and same with you like people when. they're coming up to you and saying the. toast is amazing or when I keep hearing.

Jay we heard you on the toast it was so. F you know when I get that feedback from. people I'm thinking oh wow like you're. doing that how have you been careful. about your relationship with attention. so that it doesn't get unhealthy how. have you thought about that you know. what's so funny the more attention you. get the the less you want it um and so I. think as somebody who was an attention. whor seeking I was an attention seeking. hor growing up my whole life to end up. in a line of work where you get a lot of. it it's fulfilling for a second and then. it's like enough and I actually feel. like I say I'm an attention I'm actually.

really not So Much Anymore um I like I. got the attention that I wanted and it. felt good but it didn't solve all my. problems like I thought it was going to. so not that anybody who's you know is an. attention seeker should get the. attention because then it'll it's kind. of a problem that fixes itself um but. I'm really not um I think when people. meet me like on the street sometimes. they're a little uh taken back how. actually I'm not like a dancing monkey. like I'm not so crazy all the time like. making jokes on like I I actually and.

definitely as I've gotten older like a. little bit more pulled back you know I'm. still a little nuts more than the. average person but not not I think as. much as people would expect yeah what. part of your confidence are you still. working on I'm really not. honestly like I feel very confident in. all aspects of my life like I know that. I'm great at my job I know I'm a great. wife I know I'm literally gorgeous like. I don't feel like I'm lacking confidence. in any area honestly wow I have a lot of. other problems so but not that like oh. girl where do I begin okay um what what.

would I say is my biggest. problem I actually would say my biggest. problem is sometimes my humor can be. mean and I think that's like the worst. type of humor and I'm actually really. working on it um like when you poke fun. at someone sometimes I feel like it I. really take it too far like it's okay to. like think something and not say it. because I've noticed that a lot that I. sometimes border on mean and I don't. like being mean that's not funny to me I. think feel like they have to be mean in. order to be funny and that's not true I. can be funny without being mean yeah and.

that's something you're working on yes. like sometimes I'll say something I'll. be like damn that was rough you know. like and and so I'm aware of it and I'm. really trying to stop yeah who knows if. I. will at least I'm aware of it you you. love the uh 1% evil it's fun yeah yeah. yeah it's uh no that that's so beautiful. to hear I mean to hear you say hey you. know what I'm actually really confident. I love hearing that I love it when. someone says that because it's a journey. yeah no but but I mean you've not that. you've arrived because there is no.

arrival but the idea that you feel that. way I mean that doesn't mean that like I. don't see a picture of myself and like. literally want to die but I don't try. not to place too much value on that. because there are other parts of me that. are worthy probably more worthy than. than how I look but I I am a shallow. person I I do place a lot of emphasis. and value on my physical appearance yeah. is that something you've ever tried to. change or shift or you've just accepted. it's actually like a new thing I think. since losing weight I've kind of become. obsessed with it and that's like one. thing that I've gained during my weight.

loss Journey that I don't like the. obsession with how I look because before. like I knew I didn't look great so like. whatever you know I worked on other. things but then I started to really like. the way that I looked on the OIC journey. and I kind of became obsessed with it. like I used to weigh myself and be like. I mean it's not great but whatever then. I would lose weight and when I would. weigh myself and it wasn't exactly what. I wanted I would be so hard on myself. and I used to not care about that so. that's actually something I'm working on. but with the pregnancy like it's a. problem for later May yeah yeah of. course yeah I can't fix everything all. at once okay I'm not J shete no no no.

trust me I can't either but no but it's. interesting how sometimes the things we. work on more become our greater. stressors yes yeah that's definitely how. I feel with my weight yeah and and it's. one of those things that it's but the. great thing is you're aware and I think. that's what I always think about I. remember when Kevin Hart came on the. podcast he was talking about how in very. different context but he was talking. about how like some of the mistakes he. made and not comparing at all but he was. talking about some of the mistakes he. made and they came from a place of him. feeling like this was never going to go.

away and then he was like now I need to. deal with the fact that one day I may. not be as famous or successful as. whatever and it was just really. interesting him saying that when I still. think he's crushing it and killing it. and he's like you know but how we. perceive people versus how they perceive. themselves is so interesting correct. yeah and that's what I find is always. fascinating because you think someone's. peing living best life yeah and in and. in their head they're like oh I'm. insignificant right now yeah but it does. not that you want people to feel poor. about themselves but seeing someone whom. you perceive to be on top of the world. talk about how they perceive themselves.

and it's not necessarily like the best. there is like solace in that even people. who are killing it and Rich and Famous. like even they hate themselves so who. cares if I do you. know I wanted to end with talking about. you know you talked a lot about last. year losing your dog which um oh my God. I think no one prepares you for yeah I. had so many friends who sadly went. through the same thing in the last 12. months I don't know what was about the. last 12 months and maybe it's sadly. always the case but at least in my life. I had so many people telling me that um.

I had my business manager a really close. friend like just just so many people in. life we had uh Taylor Hill who came on. the podcast and talked about the loss of. her dog Tate and just how hard that was. for her what has been your greatest. lesson for grief in that Journey so. funny because you know I lost my dad. when I was in the eighth grade or excuse. me the nth grade like literally the. first month of high school worst time. ever and it was extremely hard and I. actually feel like being younger um I. was able to bounce back a little bit. more I remember going through that and.

really want I just transferred schools. and then my dad passed and I really. didn't want to be known as like the girl. with the dead dad so I I remember making. an active effort to get back to my life. and I leaned so heavily into my sisters. and that's really why my sisters and I. are so close and my friends and EXT and. I really and that's just being a kid. right you're more susceptible you're. more adaptable like you just bounce back. and I found like when you know friends. of mine now are losing parents like it's. so much harder like you're an adult you. understand the importance of life you. have kids of your own and so not that.

it's the same at all but like losing my. dog at 29 was like the first experience. with grief as an adult and let me tell. you it is so much harder and this was. you know a dog Not a Human Being the. difference was and I I have long. wondered um my dad passed away overnight. like he was not sick he had a heart. attack and he died before he even got to. the hospital like completely kind of. freak accident and people always talk. about like is it better you know for. someone to die like that or to get a. chance to say goodbye to somebody who. has like a terminal illness but you have. to watch them suffer for months and I.

feel like there's no right answer just. everybody thinks their own and I never. really knew what the answer was but with. Theo he um had terminal cancer and we. ended up putting him down but so we. lived with the cancer I want to say for. like two or three weeks like really not. a long time it was the worst time of my. life like it was worse than when he. actually had died like seeing something. you someone you love so much be in such. pain it's not worth being able to say. goodbye honestly so oddly that. experience brought me peace with my dad. like I like yeah I didn't get to say. goodbye but like I didn't have to watch.

him suffer like that's it's definitely. worse and so the older I get the. actually the harder grief is you know. like I remember getting married and. being like so angry that my dad wasn't. going to be there and feeling like this. was so unfair but I hadn't really felt. that anger up until that point like the. older you get the more important life. moments marriage kids you realize like. how much you need a parent and so as a. kid like yeah okay he's not in my soccer. game but like you just are you're more. resilient as a kid you really are and so.

going through grief as an adult is 45. times harder and that was just with my. dog you know whom I loved more than. anything but a dog is not a person and. it was the most challenging thing I. actually don't even remember it I. blacked out that part of my life it's. coming up on a year actually like this. week it was the hardest thing I'd ever. been through in my life like seriously I. like I I can't believe I don't even. think about that time because it was so. it was azing that's so profound though. the connection between the two I know. well it was they were so polar opposite.

it's like would I I think I actually. would have preferred just like to take. Theo to the doctor and have him die like. the three weeks of diapers of medic oh. my God it was horrible and I felt like I. was doing the wrong thing because you. know it's cruel to keep a dog like that. alive for your own they're so clearly in. pain it's the right thing to do to put. them down and if you're selfishly. keeping them and I said I'm not going to. do that and so when we woke up one. morning it was so clear that he was. suffering we were like listen this is. cruel we're keeping him alive for us.

like we knew we had to do do that and. with my dad like I had always felt like. oh my God I never got to say goodbye it. was you know hi one day bye the next but. what Theo the passing of Theo really. taught me is like honestly it's better. it is I think what did girl with the. dead dad like mean to you like what did. that kind of like what did that. symbolize for you that you didn't want. to be you know I just remember in middle. school there was a girl um whose dad had. died and her she was in my grade and.

then her brother was in my sister's. grade and it was just kind of like the. thing people said do you know what I. mean like pointing and saying no not. pointing but like if you overheard like. another parent talking oh didn't did you. hear it was just kind of what what you. know they were LED with and I didn't. want that I wanted to be a girl who was. funny a girl who was good at soccer a. girl who was beautiful like literally. anything I did not want to have that to. be the thing like oh did you hear about. that Austy girl her father died like I. didn't want that to be the first thing. people said about me so I remember. making a conscious effort to just like. bounce back and and it did work for for.

a period of time I I can't imagine how. challenging it is to you know be going. be giving birth having lost and then let. me tell you it sucks like and I see Ben. who has both parents I'm so happy for. him but I'm jealous yeah naturally yeah. yeah natur I don't think that's bad no. no of course not and definely not bad. and they're the best Ben's parents like. his dad is like always inviting me out. on Father's Day like but you know a. parent is a parent yeah for sure no. thank you for sharing thank you thank.

you for being open it's uh I'm hoping. that yeah I'm hoping that people who've. been through similar things or you know. I I know plenty of people in my life who. lost a parent early and it's it's. something that's not talked about enough. online like you don't you don't really. hear about it like it's kind of like. something you talk about in therapy and. nowhere else yeah it's just like hard to. talk about nobody wants to be crying all. the time and I think that no matter what. stage of grief that you're at like you. can't talk about it without crying that. doesn't mean that you're not healed It's. just sad like and I don't want to be sad.

like that's my whole thing like I love. being happy I love making people laugh I. love laughing like I'm if I'm laughing. I'm so happy so I hate to like sit. around and that's why like I know when I. talk about this on the podcast people. don't like it but I don't do therapy not. for any reason I'm not like against it I. I know it's really powerful for a lot of. people but I've never really had a hard. time communicating and I'm very blessed. that like I have a lot of people in my. life who I feel completely open and. comfortable opening up to and I know. that's a privilege that not a lot of. people have um but I also like I don't.

know I just don't want to spend my life. being sad like the world is sad enough. like my I wake up every day with the the. goal of like making people laugh like I. like to be joyous and spread joy and I. don't know I sitting in a therapist. office for an hour a week like crying. like oh my God like seriously I can't I. can't yeah no and I and and I think that. everyone has their different coping. mechanisms like you said and for some. people that is the only place they have. a safe space and a where they don't feel. judged and a SP where they don't feel. you know looked at a certain way because.

their family friends may be that way and. and it's beautiful that you don't have. that I was going to ask you what's been. your have you thought a lot about like. your energy baby's energy like what what. like walk me through that yes I have a. lot because you know people tell me that. I'm kind of like a baby Whisperer cuz I. love to sing and I love to dance and I. love to like I'm obsessed with babies. and that's what babies love and that's. what babies need like their first couple. of months are always looking for. somebody to sing and dance to them and. so that's the type of mom I want to be. like super joyous super like always.

singing um I don't know if you follow. Jesse Jay the singer on Instagram Jessie. okay so she had a baby and like she's. always singing to her baby on Instagram. now I know she has like one of the best. voices in the world and I don't but like. I'm I'm going to be Jesse J like I'm. going to be singing to my baby and my. baby's going to think I have the most. amazing voice cuz my baby's going to be. my number one fan it's going to be so. funny if they don't oh my God stop I'll. be so upset if like every time I sing. the baby cries yeah they'll love it till. they're like four oh of course no I'm. talking about year one yeah year one. year one's one one fan for one year is.

is good enough I love that I love that. and have you thought about whether. you're going to be sharing baby Journey. online and I have thought about it um I. definitely want to share my journey um. I'm pretty against you know putting your. kids on social media I don't judge other. people who do but I'm not going to and I. feel like I see a trend of people. sharing less and actually pulling their. kids off social media because the. dangers of it are like so obvious yeah. know that's something me and Ry talk. about a lot like it's it's I would love. to it's one of our discussion point if. the internet wasn't such a disgusting.

place I would love to like how fun but. no we can't have nice things people are. disgusting and absolutely not yeah yeah. it's challenging it's it's such a yeah. that's that's the hard part right that's. the hard part that it's like in the same. way as you wouldn't just put your kid up. somewhere physically in that way that. they're exposed to anyone and everyone. yeah and they just actually passed that. law in California about like family. channels and Dam lado was a big part of. it of like just child actors but also. child like family channels like. basically exploiting your kids on social. media for money I they're they're all.

still actively happening but I feel like. in 10 15 years like we are going to be. hearing like the most craziest stories. about kids who were forced to be on like. YouTube family channels it's disgraceful. um but it's also slippery slope like you. know like you start posting your kids. and that's the most engaging content so. you post more and more and more and then. you rely on it to pay your bills so. you're yelling at your kids to smile for. the thumbnail and I never want I never. want to be that yeah yeah it's great. that you guys have because it's haven't. talked B about it but I don't care what. he says like I'm sure he'll agree with. me but we haven't had like a full. conversation about it okay good to know.

good to know hearing about this on the J. shaty podcast is this usually how it. goes no actually certain things I feel. really strongly about and I say Ben like. this is what we're doing certain things. he feels super strongly about I'm like. okay sometimes we both don't know how to. feel and there are PR people in our life. whose opinions we like respect and we'll. call them and ask and and get their. opinions and we'll come to a decision. together it just depends on what the. topic is you know yeah I think that. makes a lot of sense yeah that's fair if. you feel strongly enough it's a rule and. and to know like as a half of a part.

like a half of a marriage like if there. are certain things you don't have like. strong feelings about but your partner. does like so let them have that one and. then when you have strong feelings about. something and they don't they will let. you have it like that's the whole you. know shtick with compromise but also um. knowing when you don't know like some. all of this is new to me motherhood. pregnancy and so knowing that I have no. experience and talking to people who do. and if I trust them and I think that. like their values align with mine taking. their advice um but like it's important. to know like when you don't know enough.

Claudia you are you one of the Most. Fascinating People I've ever met you are. hilarious you're smart profound today. times I really didn't want to cry but it. is what it is no I I appreciate you. being so honest and vulnerable with us. and showing that soft side yeah no you. know like for people to be able to see. you can't put chy in a box like she is. going to surprise you I love it well. Claudia it's been such a joy talking to. you we end every episode with the final. five these have to be answered in one.

word to one sentence not a Claudia. sentence a okay oh I promise I will do. one word yes yeah one word or one. sentence Oh okay but but not a sentence. at 100 miles hour where you squeezed in. 79 words not Jay calling me out okay all. right okay yeah I'm not judging you no. no of course not okay so question number. one what is the best advice you've ever. heard or received um this isn't like you. know a curated sentence so I'm just. gonna like speak um and I think it's. something I've realized as I've gotten. older especially as like a woman in the. industry you feel really competitive.

with like other people I feel now like I. like to work to live and not live to. work like I just would like to make a. living I don't need to be the biggest. podcaster I don't need the number one. selling comedian I just would like to. provide for my family I think when you. get really caught up in like the hustle. culture it's good to have ambition of. course but what used to be important to. me is actually really not important to. me anymore now like just a job is a job. it's to provide and that's it great than. thanks yeah oh God I forgot about the. sentence okay sorry I'm good I'm good no. no no it's well explained I would have. asked you to explain question number two.

what is the worst advice you've ever had. or received oh my God there is a okay. sorry it's going to be more than one s. there is a phrase that I hate it's. called um like being realistic is the. quickest path to mediocrity like I so. disagree with that I think being. realistic is so important like so. important yeah good answer uh question. number three what excites you most about. motherhood I'm such an affectionate. person like I love all my nieces and. nephews who are growing older now. they're like starting to hate it but. like I cover them in kisses like I just. I'm obsessed with kisses and hugs and. like this baby like is going like this.

baby's going to love me more than anyone. it probably end up liking Ben more but. this baby like is mine you know and I. could kiss it as much as I want I love. it question number four what are you. most excited to see about Ben becoming a. dad oh my God like I just know Ben is. going to be the best the best like most. affectionate the kids are going to love. him they're going to like him so much. more they're going to go to him like I. don't know what exactly I'm most looking. forward to but I feel a lot of peace. knowing that I'm bringing a baby into. the world with like someone who's.

seriously going to be the best dad on. the planet uh Fifth and final question. we ask this to every guest who's ever. been on the show if you could create one. law that everyone in the world had to. follow what would it be um it should be. absolute law that everybody listens to. the toast every single. morning and then on purpose yeah of. course of course yeah actually no this. is my answer not on purpose sorry just. the toast oh oh thanks all right. No it should be law like it should be. NPR it should be public radio I love it. yeah that's a great law thanks I love it.

thank you and then I ultimately you know. that affects my bottom. line cloria thank you so much I love. everyone to this you're the best thank. you if you love this episode you will. also love my interview with Kendall. Jenner on setting boundaries to increase. happiness and healing your inner child. you could be reading something that. someone is saying about you and being. like that is so unfair cuz that's not. who I am and that really gets to me. sometimes but then looking at myself in. the mirror and being like but I know who. I am why does anything else matter.