Billionaire Bob Parsons ON: How To Live A MEANINGFUL LIFE Before You Die | Jay Shetty

Worry belongs to tomorrow. Regret. belongs to yesterday. Happiness is here. and now. I learned during the war how to. think. I learned to quantify the worst. thing and quite often the worst thing is. not so bad. author and host. The number one health and wellness. podcast. On Purpose with Jay Shetty. Bob, I want to dive straight in to your. journey and to really dive into your. work that you're doing today. And I think I was really blown away. to hear about your time as a Marine. And.

and I'd like to start there. Well, you. know, when I enlisted in the Marine. Corps, I did so mostly because I had two. friends of mine ask me to join them. They were We were in our senior year of. high school and they were going to visit. with the Marine Corps recruiter and. asked me if I'd go along with them and I. did. You know, as we spent time with the. Marine Corps recruiter, he eventually. had us in the palm of his hands. I mean, this was during the. the height of the Vietnam War in 1968.

I listed one month. And uh walking through a village at. night, I was doing the point team. and uh the point man uh he uh. uh stepped over a tripwire, missed it, and I hit it and that thing blew and I. got uh shrapnel both my legs and my left. elbow and I was. matter of fact that I left on a. stretcher. So, uh you know, the the thoughts that. that I took back from that is uh.

I think I learned to think one day at a. time. And I looked to quantify the worst thing. that could possibly happen. That's got. me through a number of businesses. I've. I've built three businesses now and I'm. working on the third all from scratch. And uh you know, when you do a startup, a startup, you have a lot of good days. and a lot of bad days and uh sometimes, you know, the the days are euphoric and. the bad days look like uh Armageddon. Uh so, you know, how you think really.

matters. And I learned during the war how to. think. I learned to quantify the worst. thing and quite often the worst thing. when you sit down and you quantify, it's. not so bad. But if you you know, if you. look at the worst thing, it's this big. dark room full of uh bad things that. could happen, then it looks like far. worse than it actually is and and then. it becomes debilitating. Yeah, I mean, that's such a. powerful reflection hearing that from.

you based on the experiences that you. went through. Often we hear that idea, but sitting with you here today, listening to it in person, I can feel. just how how real that idea is for you. I love what you said about facing one. day at a time. I think a lot of our. anxiety, a lot of our pain, a lot of our. stress is based on what could happen in. 12 months. Or exactly, yeah. Or what. happened 12 months ago. Yeah. And what.

you're saying is well, actually, when. you take one day at a time, that feels. manageable and solvable even in such. extreme situations. Well, you know, one. day at a time is something you can do. something about, right? Because it's. there, you know, to be worried about a. year from now. There's not much you can. do until it's a year from now. And then it becomes one day at a time. Yeah. I often thought that uh. worry. belongs to tomorrow, regret belongs to yesterday,

happiness is here and now. Mhm. That's so powerful. Wow. And then. when you came back and you come back and. you're experiencing depression, you're. experiencing, of course, all the stress, the trauma that comes from. living in that way for a month. I mean, how did your parents react to that. before we get on to how you reacted to. it? I mean, I I what how did your parents feel? I. grew up in a in a different kind of. house. Um. I grew up in a in a in a uh blue-collar. neighborhood in East Baltimore.

And mom and dad were both compulsive. gamblers. And they weren't very good at it. Now, I. I wouldn't trade my mom and dad for any. two on the planet. I love them to. pieces. Uh but they didn't pay a lot of. attention to me. And I wasn't actually. home that much, so they never noticed. They never noticed, and a lot of it. which a lot of veterans I just kept to. myself. You know, my my symptoms were. And as I was home, they got worse and. they got worse and they got worse. And.

when I say that, I mean over 49 years. This is the symptoms with me was I d- I. didn't want to. go places. I didn't want to be with. groups, you know? No matter who the. group was, I never felt like I belonged. Because I'd be there and I'd have this. This is this picture of the stuff that. we did. I mean, and it just never leaves. you. And of course, nobody else is. dealing with that kind of stuff. So, you. definitely are different, right? So so. that's the you know, one of the things.

A quick temper is is is another thing. People would describe me as being one of. the most intense people they've ever. met. Now, the the crying when I got into. that, it was always by myself. Nobody'd. be around. But there was good things, too. And the the good things were. when I went to college, I when I came back, I worked as a. laborer in a steel mill up at Bethlehem. Steel. And I did that for a year, and. then the University of Baltimore had a. special deal for veterans where uh my.

high school grades didn't matter, thank. goodness. I didn't have to take the. entrance exams, right? And I could go on. the GI Bill, which I did. I went, studied accounting. Literally, I mean, as fate would have. it, it was the first major in the book. What is this? They said, you good with. math? I said, yeah, good as anything. You you interested in business? Yeah. You should try accounting. And I did. And I wound up graduating with a. bachelor of science in accountancy,

magna laude. Wow, congratulations. I. had never done that without the Marine. Corps. Never ever ever. Took the CPA. exam, passed it the first time, got a. job where I would travel. I mean, my. life is full of just coincidences. You know, where I. I was working for a commercial credit. leasing corp. And this is back in 1975. They sent me to Redwood City to schedule. the assets of this leasing company they. want to buy. I finish. I I have 12 hours.

until the flight. I wind up on Stanford. campus at the bookstore because I always. like to like to read and so forth. And I. buy a book on programming in the. basic language. And I read enough of that during the. layover and on the flight wrote my first. programs and then got good at it. Bought. an and and the company that I worked for. had a dumb terminal that happened to run.

the basic computer language. Wow. And. then I I taught myself. Pascal and then C and then C++. and I started my first business which. was Parsus Technology. And I I wrote all the code for that. And. when I when I was working there, I. I worked uh. 40 hours No, 60 hours 60 hours at a. time. I come to work Monday morning, work through Tuesday morning, work.

through Wednesday morning, and then. about 8:00 at night I'd start to. hallucinate after about 60 hours. I'd. hear stuff that wasn't there, maybe see. something move that I know didn't, and. I'd go back, go to sleep, come back, you. know, after 8 hours and a shower and a. little actually a little workout, do it. again. And that's how that company got off the. ground. I put $40,000 into that company. and I sold it to Intuit for 64 million.

That was my first business. Wow. Yeah. You know, most people like just. reintegrating into society, like just. kind of surviving seems to be a natural. challenge because of the extreme events. that people go through. How did you. navigate that when you were talking. about some of the challenges you had. when you came back? Like how did you. even just start finding your way again. because it can be so disassociating, it. can be so disconnected. Well, you know, using using that term disassociating.

disassociating, there was a time where I'd seen a. psychiatrist for a good while and she. said told me one of the things that. that has helped me get through the war. and also helped me in business, she. says, you have a remarkable ability to. to disassociate. And where I developed that, I don't. know. One of the. the blessings that I have is I don't. worry about anything.

at all. I just don't worry. And that has been one of the things that. to me is is help bring out the joy in my. life, you know, what joy there was. I. mean, that's beautiful to hear. That's. what an incredible gift to have to not. worry. That's very special. Uh. when you. started learning and teaching yourself. these coding languages and you started. building this company, what was your level of business. experience at the time or technology.

experience at the time? And how did you even figure out what you. wanted to build? I think there's so many. people today I just I literally was just. at uh the tech university in Monterrey, Mexico. 50% of the people from that. university go on to become. entrepreneurs. And so, it's a really uh. phenomenal institution. But one of the biggest questions I saw. that young people have is, "Jay, how do. I know if I'm doing the right thing? Or. I don't know what I'm building? Or what. should I focus on?" I feel like now. there's so much choice that people feel.

paralyzed by the amount of options they. have. I had a degree in accountancy. So, I understood the record keeping a. business. Right. All right. I started a. little business which was a. uh more of a bookkeeping business than. anything where I'd work with these small. businesses. Some Some were taverns. One. was a flower shop. Uh one of my. favorites was a pest control Fels Pest. Control. The guy's name was Fat Willie. I learned a lot from him.

Uh he'd keep track the way he would keep. track of things and and and I you know, when it got to the point where over you. know, over you know, a. few years, I could you know, start doing. the records of a business and I could. tell you if they'd succeed or not. And. anyhow, using those little things that I. learned there, I you know, that's what I did when I. launched my business. And then plus I. learned, you know, I learned like for. example, I read during the Civil War, right? During the Civil War in the.

Union, there was a General McClellan who. really trained and organized the uh. Union Army. But he could not move them. into battle. Just couldn't do it, right? And then uh so So, Lincoln fired him and. put Grant there. And Grant didn't care. how they were organized. The enemy's. over there. Go there, right? That's. That's That's what he did. And actually, the the right way is a mix of the two, right? So, I learned that from them. I. learned from John D. Rockefeller that.

the guy who knows the most about his. business, he kept exceptional records. They were all manual, but he knew. everything about his business at a time. when very few people did. The guy who. knows the most about his business quite. often is the guy that that wins because. as you know, knowledge truly is power. And especially specific and pertinent. knowledge. So, I mean, I learned from. from people in history. Right? And.

and then beyond that, I just powered. through. Mhm. Yeah, I love those. examples. I think. what I love about them is I often say to. people that you can be mentored by. people you've never met. When we study. history, when we look at patterns, when. we look at. connections and start connecting the. dots between events that have happened. before us, you can actually gain a so much wisdom. and so much insight even if you never. asked Rockefeller the question yourself. Exactly. I mean, you know, and so many.

good Julius Caesar's another one. You. know, what he was able to do in Gaul and. how he was able to. you know, lead his armies and and one. time he was attacked by a vastly larger. force and the battlements that he built. was just brilliant. Right? Nobody showed. him how to do that. He figured it out. So, I mean, we have that ability as long. as you believe in yourself. and you give yourself a chance. If. there's someone right now who's. listening who's thinking about starting.

a business, what would be the top three. things you think they should think about. if they're starting if they're thinking. about starting something? Well, the. first thing is they should do something. that they love. That is fun. That is something that they're really. interested in. And and the reason for. that, my father used to tell me, he used. to say, "Robert, when you love. something, it tells you all its. secrets." Mhm. And um That's beautiful. And basically, if you know, if you love.

what you're doing, it's going to um. well, you're going to work harder. And. that that all translates to success. Um and then uh let's see here, what. would be the. the second you you have to not be doing. it for the money. If if you start a business and you're. doing it just to turn a buck, I don't think you'll be successful. You've got to start it to be special. And the businesses that I started, in. none of them, even GoDaddy, did I do it.

to to make money? I did it to make a. difference. You know, when you you work. to make a difference, you know, you do. things that. on the surface, from a business. uh standpoint, it doesn't make sense. But when it comes to really doing. something special and getting your idea. across and taking care of your customers. and so forth, that's that's what you. need to do. And you will never do that. if you're just doing it for a dollar.

The third thing is there's uh there's. two groups of people that you have to. you you have to energize. The first. group. is your employees. And uh your employees, you know, they. need to believe in what you're doing. And uh you need to structure it so they. can believe in what you're doing, that. that it's special. And again, if if. you're doing it for money, it's they're. going to have difficult time doing that. But if you you know, if you have a. higher purpose, right? People always do.

want to aspire to a higher purpose, I. believe. So, what happens is when you do. that with them, it creates enthusiasm. And what do we know about enthusiasm? It's contagious. And those are the employees then fire up. the customers, and then the customers. fire up each other. So, it'd be those. three things. Yeah, those are great. answers. I love those three things. They're such great points. What was. something that you were passionate about. with GoDaddy? Like, when you said that, I fully agree with you that we should.

never start business to make money. There has to be a greater goal with it. What was that goal with GoDaddy when it. started out? Like, the part we don't. see. Well, when I started GoDaddy, I had it. had been after I sold. Parsons Technology, which was the name. of my first business, and I signed a. non-compete with uh Intuit. Not that I. couldn't compete with them. I couldn't. work for money. Yeah. Right? For a few. years. And and uh they they held back a.

few a few million dollars. And when it. was up, I just wanted to be back in action. again. But, I didn't know what I wanted. to do. This was back when the internet. was just getting going, like '97. So, I. named this business Jomax Technologies. I had like $36 million. I had gotten divorced. I mean, I I don't. blame her. PTSD, so lucky she kept me. around that long. So, I wanted to do.

something. on the internet. So, what I did was I. thought I would hire some pretty sharp. people, and we would start trying things. on the internet. And when we And when we. did, you know, if it worked, we would. continue, and if it didn't, we'd move. on. And uh so, we named it Jomax. Technologies after a dirt road that I. drove by on the way to work. I mean, it. didn't matter. I mean, we didn't do. anything. So, our employees would go to. Chamber of Commerce meetings, and people.

would ask them, "What are you doing?". They'd go, "Well, we don't know.". You know, they said, "I've never had a a. business tell me that.". And then, eventually, as time went on, we decided to to start uh doing websites. for people. And these are way early. really fundamental websites. And we. noticed that. the websites business would would. generate cash, but it couldn't scale because, you know,

it was just your efforts there that you. were you were tied to. I have a rule. that if you got the right business, you. can make money while you're sleeping. Your business can be successful while. you're sleeping. So, we then wrote. software that would build a website for. people. They could do it theirself. We. had so many requirements. And then. eventually. in uh in. 99. uh or 99 and 2000, we became a domain.

name registrar, renamed the company. GoDaddy, uh just as an and uh. I I did that at first as a joke, but it. stuck. And um. and never did we dream that we'd make. our our our bread on domain names. Yeah. And then there's there's a further. story going back. Okay, I would keep. track of how much money I had. And and. and then as and tie that to how. successful the business is doing. Now,

that room you remember that were the. days of cash burn, right? And so, I would start it and and. when I first started, I said, "I'm not. going to worry about this business until. I get down to 30 million." And then. 25. And then 20, 20. And then 18, 14, 12, 10, 8, 6. Uh you know, we get down to $6. million. And this is about in. never raised. It was all your own money.

you put into it. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It was always. only my own money. I I've never really. borrowed much and from the first. business, none. Wow. And GoDaddy, none. And no partners. Oh, incredible. Wow. Yeah. So, I get down to $6 million. And one of the things I learned is from. I read about General Grant, he kept his. own counsel. I kept my own counsel. So, I decided to shut GoDaddy down while I. still had some. some money. And the reason I had to is.

the dot-com boom was so loud that you. couldn't buy advertising. I mean, people. were paying $100 for a a you know, a. customer. And the customer might. generate two bucks. Well, you're going. to burn up a lot of cash that way. And I don't care how big your truck is. You're you're not going to you know, you're not going to be able to make. wages. That's what I did. So, I go to. Hawaii. And I I went there to first pay my. bills, pay my employees, and sell the assets.

Figured out how I'm going to do that. And then so, I'm there by myself for a. week. And I as I started thinking about. I don't want to shut it down. I just had. this feeling. I just didn't want to shut. it down. The epiphany for me happened. with this guy is parking cars and he. comes up to me and he goes, "Hey, don't. Mr. Parsons." This guy is a little older. than me, throwing his keys up in the. air, happy as a lark, right? I'm. thinking, what's wrong with this. picture? This guy has probably got.

nothing. He's parking cars for a living. Look how happy and free he is. I got $6. million and I'm miserable. Right? And. so, I decided then that I would go back. and not shut the company down. And I just would ride it out. And if the. company sunk, I'd go down with the ship. Wow. So, that was probably in February, March. And later that. later then the dot-com crash happened.

And the dot-com crash, GoDaddy was born. out of that because I was one of the few. guys that was paying my bills. and all. these companies just went away. I mean, I would we would have checks returned. every week from different companies that. just weren't there anymore. Right? And. so so we would take in the. you know, we'd go ahead and I went from. not being able to buy advertising at any. price to having people standing in line. to give it to me. I had more friends. than I thought I had, and then all of a.

sudden things turned around for us, and. that October, we became profitable for. the very first time, and never missed a. month since. Wow. That's unbelievable. I. mean, it sounds like you've been guided. so much by your intuition as well as. data. Like you talked about the numbers, you talked about knowing your business, you talked about knowing your numbers, but it sounds like you're also guided. intuitively. Would you agree with that? Was that Is that true? Is that fair or.

not really? You know, you sometimes you. hear that saying better lucky than good. And things just just happen, and you. know, you'd like to believe they happen. for a reason. I believe the universe is. guiding you. Mhm. Um and I believe. there's there's an intelligence to it, you know, however you define that. intelligence, whether it's, you know, a. particular form of God or or just the. just just. the way of the universe. But I believe it's there. Yeah. That's.

incredible. What a What an unbelievable. story. I mean, as I'm listening to you, I'm thinking, you know, you have this really positive. mindset, you have this really. incredible ability to find the good even. in challenging times. What's been one of. the biggest failures in your life or. you know, something that's gone wrong. that. maybe in business or or in another field. that you learned a lot from or you took. a lot of. insight from. I would say one of the the. regrets I have is, you know, when I came.

back and I I got married and I had kids. is I missed their childhood cuz I was. working working so hard. You know, back. then I had PTSD so bad I had a flash. temper. So, it was probably some ways. you know, the hard thing is it was a. good thing that. I wasn't around. But I I have a great relationship with. all three of them now. I love them. dearly and I look forward to treasure. our time together. That's incredible. Yeah, thank you for sharing that. I can.

It's interesting to hear about your. experience that you weren't there, but. you're saying it was actually good I. wasn't there because I had PTSD and I. was dealing with that and I've I've. heard in your journey you talk about how. psychedelics were like a huge part of. your coming home. 100% yeah. And could you could you walk us through. how you got introduced to that and how. you were open to that? In 2018, I read Michael Pollan's book How to. Change Your Mind. I I went through it. like a bag of peanuts and I. and and I just told my wife.

uh Renee who is the love of my life. I. never did psychedelics before in my. life. Never did them anything like that. But I said to her if this can do it for. me. I. I mean, I I want to try them. And I. mean, I I got to the point Jay where. somebody could come up to me and say. like I'm at the golf course and say, "You were in Vietnam, weren't you?" I. start crying. Yeah, I mean, it just it just it gets. worse, you know? So, she had me hooked.

up in 2 weeks with two individuals that. again. would. see me in Hawaii and. on the first day I did ayahuasca and. it's it's guided, you know, you I mean, a lot of talk and the therapy that does. the healing. Psychedelics make it. possible because it make you receptive. and it make you willing to change. So, on the first day it was ayahuasca. On. the second day it was. uh magic mushrooms, uh uh uh uh. psilocybin. And and you know, a little.

interesting aside, when. the guide made the he made a teapot and. he said and he says, "I made this teapot. holds. three cups and I made them strong, so. you'll only need one." I drank all three. cups and I ate the tea bags. I understand. Oh, man, I was sailing. And then. you know, then a lot and then on the on. the third day.

I took a break. And on the fourth day, it was LSD. And afterwards. I was a different guy. I was totally a. different guy. I. the people that worked with me were. like, "What happened to him? He's so. nice. He doesn't have a temper. He's not. that intense, scary dude anymore." You. know, he uh uh my son said told his. wife, he said, "Man, I'm worried my.

dad's going to die soon." And she goes, "Why?" And he goes, "Well, I think he. found out he's going to die soon because. he keeps calling and he's so nice and so. forth." But I mean and it was that type. of thing and of course Renee, my wife, noticed it instantly. And the best way I. can describe it is. after being treated with psychedelics, it had been 49 years since the war. I finally came home. That's unbelievable. Do you feel Do you feel like you went. back to being who you were before the.

war? Exactly, you know, enriched by. everything I learned since. And. you know, I I still have the memories of. the war. There's times when you know, when I when. I talk about it, I choke up and so. forth. But I'm not debilitated by it anymore. But it's still very much there. Of. course. of course. Yeah. It It sounds. like It sounds like that you've kept the. the parts that have made you who you are. and left the parts that defined who it.

forced you to be. Yeah. Does that feel right? Yeah, for sure. To. be honest, just sitting with you today, like you have such a joyful spirit. You. You have such a like positive outlook on. life. You're fun to be around. Like. Well, that's what I'm experiencing. That's how I experienced you at PhD when. I was there a couple of years ago. And. for me to know, it feels like this is. who you are. This is who you always. were. But naturally, the challenges just. clouded over and the experiences clouded.

over that. Yeah. Yeah. The The windows. have been opened. Yeah, it's it's. unbelievable. And is that a practice. that you have to keep up? Do you go back. to Hawaii or to the centers to continue. that practice or no, it was once and. it's kind of. I've I've went through the process. twice. Right. I've went through the. process once myself. And then once with. two of the guys I served with. And um. they both came home. Wow. They both came.

home. That's unbelievable. That must be. beautiful for you to see that for other. people there. Oh, 100%. Yeah. Now, one of the things that I. spend time and and money and help out as. best I can is um. to get psychedelics uh made legal for. therapeutic use. Uh we're very close. with MDMA. Thank God. to uh Rick Doblin and uh MAPS. And you. know, the rest I I don't I think it's. not too far behind. I tell you, when we. do it's going to be a renaissance.

And uh we deserve that as a people. And. our veterans deserve it. Every veteran. should be treated with it when they come. back. Because the Veterans. Administration says 30% of the. combat veterans have PTSD. I'd be willing to say 100% do, but 30%. are really good at. pushing it down. That's what I think. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I mean, and and it's it's not. surprising. I mean, like you said, like.

no one else can relate to what that. experience is like. No one else can. understand it. And I mean, that's that's. a lot to carry for the human mind Oh, oh, oh. Absolutely, for sure. Uh when those those two were treated and. so maybe you should have seen the tears. I mean, the tears. I mean, and it's. like, oh. They were carrying some They were. you know, they were They were there much. longer than I was, but uh. you know, they carry a lot of crosses.

Yeah. What What are some of the uh. you know, from all your experiences in. life, you've lived so many different. lives, it seems, as well. What are some. of the mindsets or approaches you think, lessons that you think. people should carry with them? What are. What are some of the mistakes people. make, or what are some of the shifts in. our mindset we could make to live. happier and healthier lives? You need to. believe in yourself. Definitely, you need to believe in. yourself, because uh you know, while.

there's many books, there's no manual. Mhm. You know, what we talked about, looking too far into the future, day at. a time, and uh. and also, when you're doing stuff, the. best you can, have fun. Have fun. You know, we're more. productive. of when we have fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, a. lot of people today have a lot of. self-doubt. When you said believe in. yourself, when I'm traveling and speaking and. coaching people and meeting people, I. notice self-doubt to be just such a big. challenge. When you say believe in.

yourself, and I think so many people. even if they act confident and they act. secure, inside there's such a. low self-esteem. situation that we have in the country. right now and in the world right now. Like if someone has self-doubt or they. they're feeling like they don't have. potential they don't believe in. themself. What would you say to them? I would say there's a couple things they. need to do that uh usually they have. self-doubt for a reason. Usually they. were not encouraged, they were.

discouraged as they were raised, I would. think. And uh that that being the case, I would I would say this uh this uh. therapy with psychedelics when it's. available would be perfect because it. would free them from a lot of those. shackles. Um and and there's there's. something that works just as good and it. is legal. It's called an SGB block. Uh. do you know about it? No, I don't. Please do. Okay, what an SGB block is is uh S S and.

G is stands for stellate ganglion. And. then B stands for block. And and and. what it is is. PTSD and all that stuff is caused from. the uh uh the amygdala in the front of. the mind. Okay? And the amygdala manages. uh fight or flight and emotions. Well, what happens is as we go through all. these unpleasant events and so forth, it. gets added to. And and the individual stays in a close.

to a fight or flight type situation, which is what PTSD is. And and it's. debilitating, but the problem is with. the human mind, the mind hides these. flaws from the person which it resides. They don't know it. They feel like. they're just perfect except they have. self-doubt. Or or they have anxiety or. they're on edge or that sort of thing. It's the amygdala, all right? And but so.

the amygdala communicates with the rest. of the body through the stellate. ganglion nerves in the neck. And when. there's a fight or flight. uh response necessary, or be it a real. or emotional, it releases adrenaline and. epinephrine. It speeds the heart up. It. dilates the lungs. It tightens the. arteries and extremities to move blood. to the core. All those things to get us. to survive that have been developed over.

millennia, right? It does It does all. that. Well, what what is happening is. the people that are suffering from this, they're in that state very close, and. any trigger. just pushes them right into it, and they. have no control over it. They have no. physical control over it. Even though. they say, you hear people say, "I don't. know what's wrong with me." Right? Okay. This is what the SGB block does is using. a It's a medical doctor using.

ultrasound, takes about 5 minutes. They. take and shoot the big brother of. lidocaine in the neck right next to the. stellate ganglion nerves. It numbs them, and when it does, the amygdala goes. offline. It just shuts down. And then the individual get a little. droopy eye, talk like a sailor, right? And that sort of thing. And then when it the the numbing agent. wears off, and uh the eye returns to.

normal, and the voice normal, the amygdala reconnects, and it reboots. It resets, and it goes back to the way. the individual should be, and the. difference is profound. All right? Now, this is done all over. the country. It's uh there's a You can. find a website called Stella Centers, which will tell you about it. I'm not. involved in it at all. I just know about. it, and I and I help people get it done.

It People It changes their lives. I've. helped I've helped NFL players do it. I've helped veterans. I've helped, you. know, people that are little kids that. are just having trouble in school and I. mean stuff like that is amazing. And. there's only one downside and the. downside is. when it's not permanent. In many cases, it'll it'll be 6 months. or a year or 2 years. But here's what. you do.

When you start sliding back, get it done. again. I've had it done four times. I have probably helped 150 people get it. done. Never had one negative result and. everybody is just And they're all. veterans, too? Or or just anyone? Anyone. Yeah, and they just Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, you know? Uh it is uh. it is it is just amazing. Bob, it's it's. wonderful to hear your spirit of.

you know, healing yourself, wanting to. help heal others. I can see how much joy. you get in helping other people and. seeing them break through their. challenges and what's holding them back. We end every episode here with what's. called the final five. And these five. questions have to be answered in one. word to one sentence maximum. Okay. Bob, Bob, since these are your final five, uh question number one, what is the best. advice you've ever heard or received? Do. what you love. Great answer. Uh second.

question, what is the worst advice. you've ever heard or received? My worst. advice? Oh my god, well, this horse can't lose. Question number three, uh what's. something you used to value but you. don't value anymore? You know, I'd say to a degree, money. Mm. Question number four, what's. something you're trying to learn right. now or what's something that you're. working on right now that you're excited. about? Uh well, I'm I'm trying to learn.

what I can do to get uh. psychedelics. legal. In a In a medical capacity, in a healing. capacity. Yeah. Yeah. Uh fifth and final question, if you. could create one law that everyone in. the world had to follow, what would it. be? This sounds trite, but it's and I don't. know how you'd make it a law, but I'd. just say, you know, if you love your. neighbor. Yeah, that would be beautiful.

Yeah, wouldn't it? Yeah, it would make. the world a much better place. We. wouldn't have to have so many people who. have to go to war and come back with. PTSD and. have to deal with the repercussions of. that. So. For sure. Yeah. Bob, uh it has been such a joy, such a. pleasure to spend this time with you. today. Honestly, I I meant everything I. said. Your Your spirit, your energy, you. know, the way you communicate, just just. your smile, it's truly just. uh it's infectious. It's very infectious. being around you. And I can't begin to.

imagine the journey you've had to go on. to rediscover yourself, to refind. yourself, to. to allow yourself to be yourself from. before, and it's it's unbelievable to to. experience it. So, thank you so much for. this honor and for this opportunity to. sit with you and have this conversation. Well, I got to tell you, it's been. absolutely my pleasure. Oh, yeah. So, thank you. No, you're very kind, Bob. And for everyone who's been listening or. watching, make sure that you share the. insights that Bob gave, things that are. going to stay with you, uh messages that.

you're going to pass on to a friend. I. hope that you'll pass this episode on to. others as well. Make sure you check out. everything that Bob's working on as. well. Bob, congratulations. I know. tonight you have a party to celebrate uh. your new partnership with uh PXG and. Nick Jonas as well. I. I hope that goes extremely extremely. well. Uh and for everyone who's been. watching, I I you come back and listen. to more episodes of on purpose dedicated. to helping you be happier, healthier, and more healed. Thank you so much. If. you love this episode, you'll enjoy my.

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