Alexis Ren: You Don't Need Permission To Break Free & Achieve Your Full Potential!

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number one Health and Wellness podcast. Jett Jett the one the only J. sh hey everyone welcome back to onp. purpose the place you come to become. happier healthier and more healed I'm so. grateful to have conversations with. friends thought leaders experts athletes. musicians people from all walks of life. and backgrounds who come here to share. their stories share their experiences. and share their insights so that all of.

us can grow together today I get to. invite one of my friends and someone. who's really special to her too so we. have two amazing guests two friends two. people that I've got to know over the. last couple of years and today's. conversation is going to be one that I. hope you listen to with your friends. with your family with your sisters with. your cousins with your brothers I want. this to be an episode that you consume. with someone else so that you can. discuss it just like we will you can. dissect it just like we will and you can. share in the experience with someone. else.

today I'd like to introduce my two. guests one of them is someone we've had. on the show before she absolutely. crushed it last time you love the. episode her name is Alexis Ren one of. the most influential personalities on. social media with over 18 million. followers on Instagram alone Alexis is. an American entrepreneur model and. advocate for mental health and. self-empowerment and our second guest. who's on the show as well is Ali. Michelle she's a three times. best-selling author viral spoken word. artist and Ali is also a certified yoga.

breath work meditation raike and cranos. sacral therapist Alexis an Ali launched. we are warriors a female driven mindbody. Wellness Community that focuses on. fostering and cultivating self-growth. love and strength for women around the. world Alexis and Ally launched their new. Journal which I'm so excited to have in. my hands right now it's out right now as. well that guides you through the depths. of your subconscious helping you uncover.

the wise behind your patterns and. offering eye openening insights into. your own behavior and emotions go and. grab your copy right now I can't. recommend this enough please welcome to. the show Alexis and Ali thank you so. much for being here oh my God I could. just listen to you talk all day my. goodness we were remembering when you. were here a couple of years ago we had a. sacred Kyan ceremony at the home and. both of you joined which was so. beautiful and I'm so excited to have you.

back on the show Alexis Ally I'm so. excited to have you on the show for the. first time and I want to start by just. getting to understand how you two became. friends and how you met I think it's. always beautiful for our audience to. hear how two Powerhouse humans have come. together to create beautiful things in. the world you also have your podcast. releasing this summer I believe and it's. called EA EA I love that title I love. the movie uh so easier coming out this. summer as well and you're launching that. together but I'd love to hear the origin.

story of how this relationship became to. be so I'll leave it to you to figure out. how do you tell that story it was a. super synchronistic one we met when we. were what 12 13 11 11 she remembers. everything I just had jokes here and. there we became very very close very. quickly um I think one of the reasons. that we always stayed friends was we. never like held each other to a certain. type of relationship we were very fluid. with our friendship but it didn't really. cement. until uh my mom got sick when that.

started to happen to my family her mom. stepped in her whole family stepped in. and then when my mom passed they. actually adopted me and I actually moved. in with them and her mom taught me about. taxes and business and got me into um. all sorts of book Marin Williamson kind. of set me on my path and reminded me of. who I was and then after that we we just. knew that this was going to be a. lifelong relationship and a very unique. one at that because we're actually kind.

of polar oppis we couldn't be more. different I think because of that we. blend really nicely with each other and. we always knew there was going to be. some kind of path Divine path for us but. we didn't know what and how and for a. while we just kind of Let each other go. off and do different things I went more. of the traditional Hollywood route and. then she went and started traveling and. we always have this funny joke like I'll. take care of our outsides and she takes. care of our insides and like that's how. we kind of do this and then things.

started manifesting for us to actually. start working together when Warriors was. founded in 2020 it morphed into so many. different things but then at one point I. was like it would make so much sense to. bring Ally on here because she's. literally she's she's my other heart. she's my other brain um I trust her. opinion as much as I trust my own and so. bringing her on to Weir Warriors just. felt right and then through that she's. really helped me just harness and. strengthen uh what that Community does. for for the girls and and for just. everyone in it and so far we've we've.

already tackled like almost 10,000 girls. in and out of that community and it's. pretty insane cuz now we've we've. actually become the big sister mentors. and yeah essentially become the girls. that we needed when we were flailing. around being like what is our purpose. the weight of the world on our shoulders. we need to save the Earth um and and now. we're just kind of coming back around to. that joyful playfulness and seeing where. it takes us and then Warriors kind of. got us um ready for the podcast and that.

was really nice cuz because it's gated. we had this opportunity to just learn. how to speak to a crowd and and learn. how to um host essentially because it is. a talent and you're one of the best I. will say my goodness gracious like no. one tops you and so through that we got. really comfortable with being able to. balance each other out in that way and. then it just made sense and of course. selfishly there's so many people me and. Ally want to talk to we've always just. been so curious about different people. of all Landscapes I'm sure that's one of. the reasons you also got into it cuz.

it's just so cool you have an excuse to. just speak to anyone that you've ever. wanted to and and so now we actually. have that excuse to do that yeah I mean. I think Warriors is really a love letter. to her mom because she was always into. the holistic health stuff of you know. acupuncture and meditation and so she. really introduced me to all of that so. it just feels like she almost brought us. together for warriors but to your point. I think the beautiful thing is we've. never held each other Hostage to a. specific version or you know judged each. other for our choices or tried to change. one another and so for me it's been my.

greatest example of a healthy love. exactly we' really taught each other how. to communicate in the hardest ways. possible you know well that's that's. actually when I was thinking about when. I Was preparing for this interview that. was actually what was on my heart that I. wanted to understand how you do that and. even hearing you both describe it as. we've allowed this relationship to be. fluid and it's taken on many forms I. think when you're young especially we. have this idea of this is my best friend.

and this is my next best friend and this. person right we live in this kind of. very binary world when we're kids and so. we do put people in boxes and we do. label people and then sometimes those. labels last as we get older and. sometimes they fade away and sometimes. we still act like kids even when we're. older with how we see our relationships. how did you both develop that ability to. allow each other to be who you were. separately like you just said Alexis you. were like I went down the Hollywood.

route you know Ali you went traveling. you went seems like down the healing. route quite as a priority externally as. well even though Alexis was doing that. internally but her exter external career. was different how did you allow each. other to be who you were independently. but still respect each other and connect. because I think that seems to be a big. need in our world today whether it's. friendships whether it's romantic. relationships whether it's Business and. Professional relationships I think we. live at a time when it's so easy to.

judge each other how did you develop. that over time was it always like that. or was there a time when you were like. oh you know she's sold out or she's like. did you have those assumptions about. each other I mean we butt heads of. course because we're opposites but our. North stars are the same and I think. that's what sees us through is there's. something so much bigger than us and you. know especially because we made it. through the loss of her mom together it. didn't really matter if we were fighting. cuz I'm going to talk to you next week. we're family and so you know I think.

when you have such a clear Devotion to. someone it doesn't really matter what. shape it takes it reminds me of that one. poem where you talk about the marriage. and how um the guy was like I've been. married for x amount of years and. someone was like I'll let you I'm. butchering it but go on so I watched. this interview of these couples who had. been together for 60 plus years and. there was one that had been together. for' 67 and the interviewer looks at the. husband and says how have you been with. the same woman for so long and he says.

she hasn't been the same woman at all. yeah there's so much Evolution and so. much growth but I guess that's what it. is right I feel like as humans we have a. resistance to other people growing just. as we have a limitation on who we can be. and we almost extend that limitation to. others as well when you saw each other. grow in different ways maybe in. congruent ways random ways what allowed. you to have difficult but healthy. conversations around that and I'm.

speaking from my personal experience. even I've only been with rad for 11. years only and and no but in the sense. compared to' 67 I was like oh God you. like 11 like we've been together for 11. years and I agree with that statement. completely like RI has transformed in so. many ways in the last 11 years since I. met her I fully agree with that but that. Evolution requires two people to sign up. to that And subscribe to that so what. would those moments where you saw each.

other going through these big or small. changes and how did you adapt with each. other we would definitely trigger each. other but then we had enough wisdom. where we knew when there was a trigger. there was a path we had to take in order. to get through that ego and then into. the growth part so and we also we truly. do love watching each other grow it. gives us a lot of joy and we've also. never held each other back if if I. disagree with her for instance I will. state that truth immediately I'll be. like I disagree with you but I. absolutely respect your decision I'm. going to love you no matter what you.

know whatever happens I was. right she loves to always be right and. she usually is that's the unfortunate. thing but then I think that's always the. nuanced um way to communicate is I just. you have to voice that because if you. don't then there's this passive there's. um this resentment that builds in the. relationship and then you can't harness. authentic um authenticity so with her. it's like I have to State this but I. also am G to let you be you and so. that's always been our rule with each.

other is that we kind of dance on the. ashes of who we once were and we never. hold each other to this idea of who. we're supposed to be but she's also just. become such an incredible woman and it's. been so almost surreal watching it. happen cuz when you've known each other. since you were 12 it's it's just I mean. I always think if I would have told. 12-year-old Ally that you were speaking. in front of 500 people at conferences. and traveling all over the world doing. spoken word it.

would the 12-year-old you would. literally run into a closet and just be. like what is actually going on right now. but I think that's also when we hold. each other accountable for growth that's. the main thing because there's going to. be a lot of friction with that always. I've noticed in my own life and I'm. assuming with you as well wherever. there's the most resistance there's also. the most transformation and we've always. had actually the most resistance in our. friendship like we've gone through so. many different versions of ourselves we. stopped talking for 6 months we've gone.

um I think our limit was like a year. without talking and then we always like. got back into it it's almost that. feminine energy of just letting it flow. as opposed to trying to put this like. expectation of the Friendship because I. think that is why relationships in any. shape or form kind of becomes stagnant. because we're holding this idea of. someone to them and then they resent it. because they're trying to grow our ego's. hurt because you don't want them to move. out of that box that you're so. comfortable that they're being and this. happens weekly with us I think a really.

honest vulnerable relationship it's a. almost daily thing we have to go through. um but then it's fun because now we look. at who we are as like these little. avatars and we can add different. attributes to each other and just be. like I think I want to be funnier or I. think I want to you know be grittier or. like and we just we have these really. honest conversations with ourselves and. then we build together like truly we've. built ourselves together um and then of. course that over you know that the. energy of my mom kind of always being.

there it feels really Divine and sacred. and I think that really is what drives. everything we do yeah I was um put on. Ridin and Aderall and just different add. medications super young around like 10. or 11 and it kind of snuffed out my. creativity and her mom was one of the. people that helped turn my light on. inside and so there is just this greater. Devotion to her that I feel and I think. our culture Western culture is.

particularly non-committal there's. almost this one foot in one foot out we. have so many options I don't know which. one to take but there's actually a. freedom that happens when you just fully. plant both feet on the ground and say. like this is what I'm committed to it's. contradicting it's so contradicting but. I think also because it's not a romantic. relationship there's so much room to. breathe you know there there are way. less expectations and because we're. fully committed to each other we just. figure it out like now we communicate a. lot better by writing each other letters. because if we step on a tender SP spot. and it gets really reactive like emotion.

feel now conclusion now and she's like 5. to 10 business days please and so we. really had to like I need to withraw. she's like I need to explode I'm like. how about a. letter so it's that it's finding. whatever can be a bridge between you. what was the reason that you went on the. medications and then what talk to me. about the Journey of finding your way. with that because it sounds like. obviously right now creativity is by the. way if anyone has not seen I'm speaking. to the audience right now if any of you.

have not seen Ali and Alex's perform. spoken word together it is insane that. was amazing I remember seeing I. commented on immediately I remember it. coming out I think I even shared it it. came up I think it was on my Tik Tok. feed or maybe it was on Instagram but. that was spectacular it was so good like. how I don't know how long it took you to. write it and you're both going to say. like two hours or something but it was. it was unbel it was so good like it was. so powerful like every line so obviously. you tapped into that now and that seems.

to be the greatest part of your. expression but to hear that actually. based on the medications you were on. that was dampened walk us through that a. little bit just to give the audience. context I just think there's so many. different types of intelligence and I. have a natural inclination towards. creative and emotional intelligence um. but my sister for example had like a. semi photographic memory and just got. incredible grades and was very smart in. a specific way and so when you're in. school and the system is kind of a. one-sized fits-all for the most part. it's very difficult as a kid to have.

high self-esteem if that's not a value. that's within the school and so her mom. you know was such a huge help in that of. no this is really valuable like no you. are intuitive no it's okay like you can. express your creativity he had to deal. with me being like I can't do math and. she's like it's okay your value is. somewhere. else everyone has. um no really everyone has their deck of. cards to play some people are are like. Goodwill Hunting you know and and some. people are like art and some people can.

grow the perfect flower and it's all. should weigh equally on the scale in my. opinion so I think it was that journey. of just learning to believe in myself in. that way and place value on my gifts. that maybe Society didn't oh that's so. beautiful I want to come back to that. because I I love that theme and I I love. the examples you just shared there I was. watching an interview or at least a clip. of an interview where Melinda Gates who. just came on the show she was. interviewing Oprah who's been on the. show and um Gail King and so Melinda's. interviewing them and it was it was it's.

all about female friendships and. relationships and Oprah said something. that really stood out to me she said. that the reason why she's been able to. be friends with Gail for so long is. because she's one of the few people. who's not been envious of her and I was. thinking about that and it really. resonated with me and I started to. realize how all the friendships I had. that have lasted are non- envs. friendships and all the friendships. business Partnerships even relationships. romantic relationships that did didn't. last all had Envy in them somewhere.

whether someone was envious or insecure. about you whether someone was envious in. a business sense whether someone was. envious I remember guy friends when you. were teenagers being like Oh let's see. who can get more numbers tonight from. girls and I'm like why does it have to. be that I thought we were friends like. when did this turn into a competition. and it's interesting how what starts off. as innocent teenage competitiveness kind. of can transcend into our adult life as. well talk to me at to how you keep Envy. at Bay in a friendship like this and a.

Business Partnership like this because I. think it is the Crux of the quality of. relationship you have and it's not. talked about enough I think it's a. really uncomfortable awkward thing to. talk about but I genuinely believe that. my best friend who was my best man at my. wedding the reason why we're best. friends and have been for the past 20. years is because he's not envious of me. and I'm not envious of him even that. doesn't mean that I'm not proud of him. and I don't admire him and he doesn't. that of me but there isn't that sense. would you agree would you disagree how. do you feel I want to hear about it from.

you guys for me personally it always. makes me like my love like my love. language is like helping people become. better I think that's acts of service in. a form we call it Ren ification. Improvement I I love I love helping. people improve I I always have this like. vision for them and I get really excited. when I can help you know make that. Vision come to life so and and for me I. always you know coming from the. homeschooling background um I never felt. intelligent L adequate enough and but.

she was you know in her own right so. intelligent and so I think we almost. reassured each other you know for her. she was insecure about you know you know. in that awkward teenage phase and I I. was just way too confident at that age. so we we mediated each other out I was. like I had un braces and she was Alexis. r let's just okay okay okay okay but but. we we we validated each other where our. wounds were most apparent and that's why.

there is no Envy because I almost look. at her as like the same way I would look. at myself like a project that I that I. helped create that I helped you know and. vice versa she she helped me really I. mean I wouldn't be who truly I wouldn't. be who I am without you and even. thinking to our first you know. conversation on this podcast it was so. much of the things that I said you know. were were in honor of her and. conversations that I've had with her I.

think I even shouted her out in the B I. was just like Ally yeah I just I. wouldn't have believed in my depth if it. wasn't for her just really calmly next. to me being like you're good you got. this you have it too and me vice versa. with you know wearing that dress or. doing those you know more of those. exterior things of like no like the time. is now like put on that dress let's get. your head like just caring so much so. that it's okay to care about it because. I think when you're so vulnerable about. a specific attribute that you don't feel. confident in you almost want to pretend.

not to care about it cuz you're like a. like I don't I don't care about how I. look or it's fine I don't care if I know. math or whatever but it's it's actually. where you care. deeply but you're also like I should say. Alexis is like a genie and she makes her. friend's dreams her dreams like she went. to a corporate company to the Head. marched on his office and said you're. going to hire my friend was there. actually there was there was no position. like this didn't exist and she convinced. this owner of a really successful.

company to just create a position for. her friend because she was in an. unhealthy job setting and so Alexis just. does this for everyone like our other. friend almost lost her script and she. was calling eight different agents she's. just really supportive and I think. that's the beauty is she's the archetype. of the ruler which means she serves her. people and so she makes everyone's. dreams belong to her and I think that's. the key is like you have to nurture your. friends dreams like they're your own too. and what archetype are you the magician. oh the magician okay I be so curi tell.

them tell them a little bit about the. yeah we've done this actually with the. community go for it there's um there's a. book by Carol Pearson and I think it's. called the 12 archetypes or something. like that but if you look at her name. thank you um but it goes through the 12. major archetypes within our subconscious. and a lot of it is based on Carl Young. psychology and I personally love. storytelling and fairy tales as a way to. translate wisdom and so there's this. book called Earth sea as well where this. young sorcerer releases a demon shadow.

into the world and the way that he stops. it is he gives it his own name and so by. naming the shadow it ceases to have. power and when you use these kind of. archetypes rather than clinging to one. identity of like I am this I am that I'm. a Pisces I'm a you know Capricorn. whatever it is I'm a. three this is the aspect of my. subconscious that I'm wielding right now. with this different archetype and so it. creates more compassion and. understanding and to me it also helps me. name my shadow a lot clear. so yeah and that's why I love the.

archetypes because it's you're never one. it's just what you're building with. right now so you could go back and look. okay the orphan archetype needs more. work or you were saying America actually. the large we have the most connection to. the orphan archetype because we all kind. of come here for this dream or come here. from other places and it's kind of the. like do I belong here where do I belong. so I think different countries too also. um build on different archetypes um. depending on like their culture so it's. really interesting and um what I found.

the most funny about all of this was the. ruler and the magician have this really. interesting relationship it's the most. volatile. pairing I love that that's because so. look at King Arthur and Merlin that's a. great example they're equally important. to each other but the the downfall of. that would be like a Tyrant King I think. Joffrey from Game of Thrones or. something and then Jafar from Aladdin um. it's the evil Sorcerer And then the. wicked ruler and so so we hold each. other accountable in that way if we're.

sitting at two opposite ends of this. power spectrum and we keep each other. from slipping into like evil Sorcerer. And Tyrant Tyrant whenever we're having. a disagreement I'm like am I being a. tyrant it's okay we're just going to. write a letter I'm like please don't. uname me yeah but I just love looking at. people like characters and books cuz it. creates so much more compassion because. if you had a perfect character it would. be really boring to read about you know. it's all those idiosyncrasies that make. them so unique so I think that helps too.

and that's why I think that's truly like. her perception of that is why I've Loved. myself so much because all of these. little quirks I've had she's like keep. going keep doing it like she'll give me. the little check mark in a conversation. with people and I'll just go off and uh. and I love it because she kind of gives. me permiss a little permission slip to. just yeah lean into those quirky parts. of me that I felt for a really long time. I needed to like hold back and and keep. tight and that's been really cool and.

yeah and it's really cool too because uh. her fantasy book she put a character in. for me and that was really cool as well. because reading it I was like one I'm. immortalized which is crazy two I'm. awesome oh my God is this how you pursue. me yes now whenever someone says oh. Ren's my favorite character in alie's. book I'm. like what what what I love about what. it's bringing out for me going back to. the question of of Envy is that what I.

found is that when you understand your. place and your pace of growth which is. the archetype and when you understand. someone else's place and their pace of. growth it allows you to be non- envious. because it allows you to see that you're. moving at your own pace and you have a. place forever and that that person does. too and I find that the reason we. experience Envy is because we don't know. where we stand and we kind of like where. someone else stands even though that may. not be the platform for us to be on and. so it's this constant tug and war.

between I like this person but I also. want to be like them and actually not. only do I want to be like them I don't. want them to be liked that much and. that's where Envy kind of takes over so. much of a friendship so I'm so glad you. talked about the archetypes a little bit. is there a test that people can take. like if people want to understand their. archetype how would you suggest they go. about that yeah Carol Pearson has a. website and then if you get the book too. it's in the book it's a large book it's. it's a huge book a textbook um but I. like it because it's it's fluid you know.

it's not a zodiac Awakening the heroes. Awakening the heroes within all right if. anyone's listening and I love that and. you've been teaching that in Warriors as. well that's been something that you've. been sharing with your community. literally anything we'll just like pick. up a book or we'll have a conversation I. mean I remember I was uh literally last. week went to her crying about not going. to stay on this podcast but I was like. no oh no I don't know what to do and. then she's slowly like I'm going to. write the warrior workshop and what was. it navigating the.

unknown there's been so many times when. we've just created workshops around what. we're personally experienced because. it's it's resonance and so yeah we'll. make workshops around anything that. feels very alive in the moment because I. find the girls are often going through. similar things in their own way I wanted. to talk about that actually what would. you say having built this community. you've had thousands of women who've. been a part of this community it's. growing if you had to pick and I know. this is a hard exercise but I want to do. it for the basis of our conversation. today if you had to pick the top three.

challenges and we'll just start with the. top one challenge that you hear would. you feel is at the root of so many. women's challenges in your community and. of course broader than that too what is. that one two three what are those three. things in no particular order but what. would you say those themes are that are. holding women back that they're. constantly per perplexed by that they. are feeling limited restricted by what. would they be the first one that came to. my mind is um. really knowing and understanding your.

own femininity because I think this is. especially in America it's very like. masculine dominant build your Empire. blah blah blah and I think we get as. females get really lost in that because. the female you know energy is to attract. and the male energy is to like make. happen and both are needed but so many. girls they they they kind of spin out um. even just from a biological level you. know there's we're a different person. every single week then they feel like. they have to like push down the doors. the way away with that masculine energy.

forever and they're exhausted being like. is this living my dream life and I'm. like no it's just a belief you're having. that's probably not helping you and so. we kind of will help them break down. what those beliefs are but it usually. has to do with them not honoring their. famity in some way shape or form and we. have to remind each other of that. because even with the podcast like this. idea of divine timing has been so. helpful because when I you know went. into more of the business side of things. it was like there's a deadline we Happ.

it now now even when it didn't feel good. we would just kind of stick to these. deadlines but with the podcast um it was. like we're going to launch this month no. we're not okay keep it moving and we. just kind of kept waiting and waiting. and waiting until yeah like you in. conversation yeah and we just kind of. waited until it was the right moment the. right time and all all of the you know. components came together so beautifully. and so that was what that's when I was. like okay there's this theme happening. here and even with the girls as well. there's this theme of I'm kind of. running up to this wall and then trying.

to push it as opposed to letting the. opening of The Cave you know come. through and then walking it so I think. that's definitely one let's talk about. that one I like that let's talk about. that together I think that's such a huge. one and I'm fascinated by it how does. someone start to embrace or encourage. their feminine energy in a world that's. so masculine dominant or at least would. you describe it as the masculine story. line has been yeah it's more story line. I think it's just you have to break down. the beliefs first so you have to. understand what beliefs you're your it's.

like the car what beliefs what Wheels. the let's say the beliefs are the wheels. like what is driving you down that way. um and then once you understand okay. that's those are the beliefs that have. been manifesting this creation this life. what are the beliefs that I would like. to have I still remember I was with a. friend and we were walking around a pond. one day and she was like H remember when. we believed things had to be hard and I. was like H I know so it you know belief. is a thought that you just have over and.

over and over again until you think it's. just your life and it's ingrained into. you and it's permanent when it's really. not so part of that has been just. showing people and acting is taught a. lot for me I've learned so much about. this through acting where I'm like. that's actually you are so much more. fluid and it really is just breaking. down what these really tall structures. are and then chiseling at them just. little by little and it probably not all. at once we we we usually take like one. solid belief that they have and then. we'll either make a workshop from that.

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think are those restricting feminine. energy and kind of blocking the women. from their potential in the community I. think beauty is a huge one actually. because Beauty has provided security for. women for thousands of years Prim of. just you know if you become this. attractive thing then you'll find a mate. that can protect you and so people call. it you know uh surface level or whatever. it might be but there is like this. Primal hardwired security that were. raging against in a way and I used to.

live in a house full of musicians and. there was this one guy who could just. belt like from the bottom of his soul. and another girl in the house who could. sing so beautifully but she sang very. softly like she was singing into a. bottle and she finally turns to him and. she goes how do you sing that way like I. know that's in me but I can't get there. and he says make an ugly face and she. makes this like cute little ugly face. and he said I said make a real ugly face. and she does and he said that's what you.

need to sing from and then she did and. her voice cracked a little but she. belted and so it's that we need. permission to kind of break out of this. porcelain suit that we walk around in. nowadays because that's where our power. comes from wow that's so powerful I mean. that's I feel like all of us can relate. to that in so many ways and I feel like. it's so difficult it goes back to what. Alexis was saying earlier that you've. given her the permission to have all. these quirks and. be all of herself and I've definitely.

had that where I feel the people who. know me the deepest and the most well. will say to me Jay one of the things I. love about you is I get to talk to you. about. spirituality business and media and. there's not many people I could talk. about all three of those things and. that's like the. most it's one of those moments whenever. I hear that from someone who's spent a. lot of time with me and spend deep time. with me I feel so seen because I want to. be all those things and and I appreciate. all those things and I admire all those.

things I want to talk about my monk life. as much as I want to talk about media as. much as I want to talk about marketing. like and art and I love all of it and I. am all of it and all of it is me but I. find often that I'm forced to choose a. box to put myself in it's like oh you. can either be spiritual or you're. material or you can either be like. you're saying you can either be this. porcelain dull or you can be ugly or. whatever like there's a choice there. that all all of a sudden like defines. who you are talk to me about some of the.

practices you both have developed I. definitely want to talk about the. journal as well but talk to me about. some of the practices you've developed. because we all know all three of us know. that this isn't as simple as just. standing in front of the mirror and. saying things to yourself that's a part. of it but it's like this is a deep. subconscious belief that we're having to. rewire and we're doing it at the same. time while the propaganda and the. broadcasting from the world around us is. so strongly the other way and so walk me. through some of the exercises maybe some. of them that are in the journal that you.

love some that you've practiced you both. keep talking about letters and I know. the journal is full of letters so just. maybe give me a couple of insights and. steps and principles each that you feel. have been profound for your own Journey. or maybe you even have stories of people. that you've helped that they've. practiced some of these techniques I. feel like all these practices sound like. oh roll my eyes okay fine I'll write a. little five minute Journal of gratitude. whatever like you think they're not. important but when you actually apply. them it's like whoa sure um Dr Mall he's. wonderful uh naturopathic doctor what we. had on the podcast he was talking about.

a way to kind of deal with a trigger in. real time because I think every time. there's a trigger there's a little. blockage that you know happens in our. body and disease is the you know uh. physical manifestation of all of these. different triggers getting blocked and. no way out and one of the things that he. said in his book was um the second that. someone triggers you you have to. immediately think back and just be like. okay why did that trigger me go to the. little the child self and then have a. quick in the moment even if you're with.

them you literally have to I do it in my. brain I'm just like okay why did that. trigger me for instance um I was in the. car with a friend and there was uh my. car went off and saying that there was a. flat tire and it was the second time. this month and I was just like ooh and I. braced myself for this really stressful. situation that we were going to have and. my friend was just like oh well and I. was like and that triggered me that he. was so calm about it and then I asked. myself why am I triggered by this tire. that's it's going to be fine and then. I'm also double triggered that he was so.

calm about it and I realized because my. household was so chaotic that one more. thing would have blown up the whole like. just it was just a compilation of. triggers and we the electricity went out. and this went out and um so all of these. tiny little things created this huge. explosion in my childhood and so I had. this moment where I just held myself and. I was like it's okay your family's. reactions to these little bad things. happening was not valid it wasn't okay. for for you to see that much stress with. something that was so easy to fix and.

I'm sorry and you're seen and you're. loved and it was the first time where. the trigger went away. instantly and didn't store into my body. so I think that was that's been the most. transformational thing I found right now. oh I love that yeah I can I can while. you were talking about that I can think. of so many scenarios where I can see. that as being practical and useful I. feel like but it has to you have to do. it the ex you don't want to do it cuz. you're like I'm just triggered I want to. sit in there Hur because it's valid yeah. yeah yeah exactly yeah know I love that.

I think whatever I get validated for the. most in life becomes my porcelain suit. and so for a while oh so good I was the. Deep one and so I couldn't be funny I. was like let me speak in bumper sticker. and be as spiritual as possible because. that's how I belong and so it's about. making the ugly face for me and I had. this poetry Mentor when I first started. doing spoken word and I was trying to. sound very melodic and he said I want. you to scream and I scream the palm and. he starts smacking me with a pillow and. he's like now jump up and down and wave. your arms I'm like this feels so bad I.

don't feel cool at all and that was the. point was to just kind of slip out of my. cool so I could tap into what was really. honest yeah no that's such a I I mean I. can relate to that I've said that to so. many guests where I just felt like I. just feel like everyone's just waiting. for me to say. something profound I'm just like and at. one point I really carried it as a. weight where I realized I stopped. listening to people. because I was just thinking in my own. head what to say and then I realized.

that Not only was I never going to say. something profound if I didn't listen. but that maybe sometimes the most. profound thing to do was to listen like. that was it like it didn't even need a. word and I I remember a famous statement. by St Francis where he said that you. should preach wherever you go and if. necessary open your. mouth you know I love that it's like. that idea of just like you know we we. always feel like yes saying the thing is. is the thing and it's like well no just.

being present and just listening and. just being there and and like you just. said like holding yourself internally. during a trigger it's not like you had. to say something or repeat something you. get a high off of the wisdom and then. you don't actually integrate it at least. for me for a while whenever I would hear. something profound out of my own mouth. or I would I would be like yes and write. it down and then it just kind of became. a game as opposed to real integration I. can still relate to that I I resonate so. deeply with what you're saying about um.

just trying to make something profound. and life-changing cuz me and Ally. personally are. exha I don't want to be profound be here. fun and have a good conversation and if. it happens it happens it doesn't it. doesn't but like letting it be what it. is as opposed to trying to put the. moment in a box in a way yeah I've seen. that with all my friends who are you. know successful comedians I'm sure we. have people in common who like they just. feel the pressure that if they're not. funny at dinner and they're not funny at. breakfast and they're not funny at lunch.

it's like people are going to think oh. you're not that funny like you're not. that interesting and they're like well. no there's so much more to me and it's. giving yourself that permission and also. recognizing we live in a society where. it's like we think when we meet a. dentist they're analyzing our teeth like. that's all they must think about did you. floss today I was like yeah you just saw. me and they're not they're not thinking. about that and and but we are and I. think that's such an important that's. such an important tool and principle I I. remember when Russ came on the podcast. he talked about how when all of his.

Squad and his crew would come into the. studio he would try and act cool and. he'd make the worst music and so he said. his favorite thing to do was get. everyone out the studio and make weird. sounds into the microphone and stand in. weird places and do really strange. things kind of like what you're saying. because he said that was the only way I. could break the mold because if my. friends were in there I was just trying. to look and sound cool and and I think. everyone has their version of it whether. you're a ra. whether you're a teacher or a guide or. whether you're a acting as well like me.

and my friends we like host little. acting classes just the three of us but. like one of these acting techniques that. we do is just like follow your little. child self like if you want to lay down. if you want to look at yourself in the. mirror if you want to jump up down it's. like knowing what those intuitive pulses. are is what gets you into that flow. state but if you don't know what it is. and cuz every everyone's different in. their own way and how they pull out the. creativity or the profoundness or the. Flow State whatever ever it is I think. that's what's so almost ironic about.

this whole the whole spiritual journey. cuz it's realizing that it was just. supposed to be fun and oh we were just. supposed to be children all along just. like kind of playing with it and having. fun and taking all of that weight and. knowledge off of it so then wisdom can. integrate because that was literally our. entire life like for the last two years. has just been like oh. fun yeah yeah what what what's something. else would you say that the community. struggles with so he started with that. big one is what else is there what else. comes up for people I mean just basic.

adult things like how to regulate your. own nervous system and do taxes you know. I don't know why that. was those are the two most valuable. things as an adult in modern society no. um there's other they are you need to. know but I feel like you're not really. prepared for life and traditional. schooling and so that's a huge passion. is just you know bringing on financial. Educators bringing on breath work. teachers meditation teachers and and. really just handing tools to these women. it's the teach a man a fish story you.

know MH yeah I think that's the that's. the difference it's like we're not. coming on here being a therapist we're. just coming on here being big sisters. being like here are the right questions. so you can get to your answers but that. you have to learn how to get there. yourself because that's what being a. leader is um and that's what's so cool. because then on the reverse end of that. watching girls go from 17 to 22 years. old and seeing that growth it is the. most fulfilling thing ever just knowing. that our work with some of our girls.

will go on to their parenting and their. life partners and the people around them. and their friends and it's just it's. incredible to see the ri ripple effect. of that deeper work it's so cool cuz. we're like our Warriors are kind of like. little light bulbs just glowing walking. around the earth you know spreading what. it means to live a fulfilled life and. not be afraid of that desire and it's. amazing you're working with uh women as. young as 17 and that's incredible I love. that people are starting that early and. doing the work and and finding that.

mentorship and advice because I feel. like we're all trying to come to it as. early as we possibly can but I know it's. like that's a competition itself what's. that that's something that I've noticed. too is um a lot of people who are older. than me not by much but they're like oh. I wish I had that wisdom when I was your. age and I was like it's not a. competition it's really not because this. this information this knowledge this. wisdom sometimes weighed me down as to. what you were saying because then it put. me in this box that I need to always. fill and make sure people see and value. me in that box and um for a while for me.

it was Beauty and looks and like that. felt so like okay this is this is my. little value box I'm sitting here and do. the best that I can and like work and be. the best of that that I can be being so. afraid of not being loved when you know. I had a pimple which it sounds so silly. but it's so deeply rooted into us um but. yeah no like the experience Being Human. and all different ways but what I've. noticed. tooo is when you finally realize you're.

in a box you're like I'll just get a. bigger box he just jumped to bigger. boxes and that's why like you know when. we were talking about spoken word in. poetry it's like I wrote that one poem. about paradoxes and how it's kind of. just like it's both it's not this or. that it's always going to be both and. that's why when you're looking for. another box you're already in the wrong. because for a while I was like okay if I. don't want to be valued for just my. looks then I'm going to do this and I'm. going to get into business and and I. just added more boxes I didn't really.

evolve um but the beautiful thing about. growth is sometimes the outside doesn't. have to change for the growth to happen. and I think that's what was so cool is. when I realized like hey I actually love. dressing up and being Bey beautiful and. feeling beautiful and validating my. friends for wanting to do that too and. telling them to wear that off and. telling them that we're going out and. having all that and knowing that it's. coming from this pure 12-year-old like. just homeschooled girl that you know had. nowhere to go but just love fashion so. much that she wanted to make it happen.

and so externally nothing has changed. but my why has been integrated so deeply. that it feels now light and exciting and. happy and then also understanding that. wisdom itself comes from those life. experiences and then also trusting that. wisdom can come from peace as well I. think for a really long time I was I was. I thought okay if my life isn't chaotic. and there isn't these big lessons or. these things happening that I'm not. evolving and then that was just a belief. I had um but when I realized I could.

evolve and be in peace and go through. these tions and actually learned some of. the deepest lessons from the simplest of. things that's when it got exciting again. because I didn't have to be on a roller. coaster anymore I was like oh thank God. you've reminded me of something I wanted. to read it I just brought it up here. because we're all on the same page about. this idea of just we've got to be able. to look at our ugly side our Dark Side. our Shadow Self we've got to be able to. look at the subcon ious and rewire our. beliefs we've got to be able to then. take action on it outside and like you.

just beautifully said like we do just. end up looking for bigger boxes or more. boxes to Define ourselves but I think. often what's not talked about is the. discomfort in those Transitions and how. hard it is to go from someone who says. well all I'm valued for is for my looks. now I'm going to get into business and. it reminded me of this speech and that's. why I want to read parts of it I'm just. trying to find the right part this was a. Taylor Swift speech and I believe it was. at the Billboard Awards years ago now it.

was a long long time ago but it was it. was so powerful I've seen the video for. it and she said let me just find the. exact part so Taylor Swift said and now. I realize that this is just what happens. to a woman in music if she achieved. success or power beyond people's Comfort. level I now have come to expect that. with good news comes some sort of push. back but I didn't know that then so then. I decided that I would be the only. songwriter on my third album speak now. and that I would tour constantly work on.

my vocals every day and perfect my. stamina in a live show I decided I would. be what they said I couldn't be I didn't. know then that soon enough people would. decide on something else I wasn't quite. doing right and the circle would keep. going on and on and rolling along and I. would keep accommodating overcorrecting. in an effort to appease my critics. they're saying I'm dating too much in my. 20s okay I'll stop and just be single. for years now they're saying my album.

Red is filled with too many breakup. songs okay I'll make one about moving to. New York and deciding that really my. life is more fun with just friends okay. they're saying my music is changing too. much for me to stay in country music all. right okay here's an entire genre shift. and a pop album called. 1989 oh you heard it sick now it's that. I'm showing you too many pictures of me. with my friends okay I can stop doing. that too. now I'm actually a calculated. manipulator rather than a smart.

businesswoman okay I'll disappear from. public view for years now I'm being cast. as a villain too okay here's an album. called reputation and there are lots of. snakes everywhere in the last 10 years. I've watched as women in this industry. are criticized and measured up to each. other and picked out for their bodies. and their romantic lives and their. fashion or have you heard someone say. about a male artist I really like his. songs but I don't know what it is. there's just something about him I just. just don't like no that criticism is. reserved for us wow anyway there's.

watching that her video of the way she. delivers that speech is so powerful like. I didn't do it justice at all it's it's. really powerful but I feel like it's. that constant shapeshifting that we all. go through it's like you found your. porcelain doll version and then you. realized it wasn't you so you decided to. expand because you got criticized for. perfecting that thing and it's almost. like we all go through that cycle where. you practice something and Everyone. likes you or you start something and. everyone laughs at you you practice. something and Everyone likes you and. then you perfect it and then everyone.

criticizes you and then you keep doing. that on so many other levels how do you. help yourselves and help others go. through those uncomfortable transitions. because that moment you're being. criticized for the thing you thought. everyone wanted you to do all the thing. that you thought you wanted to do is. probably the hardest part of it yeah it. reminds me of what we were talking about. with making me a hero or a villain in. the opening my fantasy book The the. first line is make me neither a hero nor. a villain both live within all of us. make me into whatever you need but don't. take away my Humanity by making a hero. out of me so good I love that and that's.

so true it's true cuz like once you get. it's just in our nature when a person. gets at a certain point it's. uncomfortable for everyone and then it's. like all right time to pull them down. from that level pull the level gr also. no living thing does well under a. microscope I mean I can't imagine if we. all were judging each other's actions 24. hours a day and I think that's why the. conversation about shape-shifting and. being fluid maybe you're Core Essence is. the same and your values remain the same. but whatever shape it takes you know.

life is a dance yeah and and I think. that is part of the service for me too. is that and I know you posted about this. Alexis I thought you post something. about this like I think it was a year or. two back and it was a really thoughtful. caption around what I can't remember the. exact language you use but this idea of. what pseudo spirituality looks like was. it with the cigarette yeah I think so I. remember that we went off about yeah and. and just that idea of just like how I. think part of it is you know I always. grew up believing that spiritual people.

were um poor and that materialistic. people had things and I was so wrong I. was like you know spiritual people are. abundant like you know it's it's such an. important quality of a a spiritual. individual and to me that became so much. more prominent As I Grew Older and. matured and recognized the value as. opposed to this belief system that you. know you don't you can't you shouldn't.

have anything and you can't have. anything and you can't create value for. others and not realizing that we have a. full team of people across the world who. are all working on a mission who are. providing for their families because. we're going out there and building. something abundant this isn't about me. this is about so many people being. supported and and we often miss that in. our world of I've just got to take care. of myself and no one else and so are you. are you pretty good with balancing the. feminine and masculine in your yourself. I I really want to talk about it with. you two so you're going to have to tell. me whether I am but you're going to have.

to teach this and it's so funny because. I've had three people in my life say. something to me that when I first heard. it I was like watch what you're saying. and then now. I'm exactly and now I'm like no that's. me so I've had three people say this to. me over the last like eight years Jay. you have the perfect balance of. masculine and feminine in the way you. approach life and the first time I heard. that I was like you what like like you. know like and my masculine went super. triggered and then now I'm like I really.

appreciate I hope that's true and I. think I'm working on it I think that's. because I was raised by my mom and. that's where the strong and my mom's. actually in the house right now she's. visiting but that's where the strong. feminine energy came from and at the. same time I have very masculine. qualities Tendencies drives Ambitions um. but I'd love to understand more about. the two through both of you because I. know this is a space you both talk about. I think our community would be so. fascinated to hear about it from you. because I think we've started to think.

of the masculine and feminine energy as. gender and a and it's just getting. complicated so let's talk about it and. then you can tell me whether I am or not. yeah and I I should preface this with. I'm not an expert or a guru on this. topic at all I just love own experience. life experience I just also love reading. books um but I would say the feminine is. kind of built to navigate the unknown um. um even in the way we bring life into. the world it's like we're bringing. something unknown into the known and the.

masculine is really great at navigating. the known it's like the mind and the. heart you know you can use your mind to. analyze and decide what to do based on. what's real and what's right in front of. you here and now but the mind can't. future cast and figure things out and. yet the heart is what guides us blindly. through these moments and so that's kind. of how I differentiate it but it's. obviously really complex subject lots of. layers and I like for me I look at it as. like nature you know I think like the. God is the masculine and Mother Earth is. the nature and like look how chaotic and.

like unforgiving but beautiful and. incredible our nature is and so I think. it's like the two they're lovers they're. they're a part of all of us and so it's. it's more of an energetic conversation. as opposed to um and it's and and it's a. way of being in the world and for me I. naturally fall into my masculinity. because didn't have really much of a. father growing up and when my mom passed. away it was like okay got to like parent. m self right now like let's get it going. and like I can do this um and then she's.

she always falls really deep into her Fe. feminine like we always joke like I'm. the husband you if it were that but. because I know that and because I have. that awareness I balance myself out I do. things uh for instance with my physical. body I I do things that are very. feminine like ballet or yoga and slower. Pilates like I go slower because I know. my internal natural reaction to life in. general is more of a masculine like. we're just going to B like bulldoze. through this once you understand kind of.

the your your initial reactions to. things you'll understand okay do I come. from more of the feminine or do I come. from more of the masculine um and. learning to balance that obviously it's. just it a journey as is life and life is. just the classroom that we're all just. going to sit in for the rest of whatever. this Dimension is and so I think the. masculine and The Feminine is one of is. one of the bigger lessons that we have. because that's even in like the Hermetic. principles that talks about the. principle of gender and how there's. always a masculine and feminine and it's.

not it's not what you were saying it's. not black and white it's not you know. the biology of it it's truly like an. energetic field that we use to navigate. this this universe and this Dimension. specifically and then I want you to talk. a little bit about how you've integrated. the masculine in your life because. you've done a really good job at that. yeah I think when I was very extreme in. my feminine it was very hard to actually. use my will to create things where I. would have an idea for a book but I. wouldn't write the book and so. integrating that I realized oh okay the. masculine is it's almost like a a.

chariot that you can ride it'll get you. where you need to go then you can get. off yeah and then you can get off and. you can rest which I'm you know we're. working on in our modern culture it's a. little difficult to do nothing but I try. and weigh now what life is asking of me. of am I meant to bring my feminine. energy into this moment am I meant to be. patient and nurturing and navigate that. unknown space or am I meant to use force. and will and you know it's like the. door's not opening let me kick it down I. don't know. sometimes it's also nice to look at. these energies as archetypes like inside.

out have you seen the second one I've. seen the second one yeah I need we. please go with you guys that did has R. seen it I'll see it again no no rad. hasn't seen it yet I like the second one. better than the first second one better. but what helps is it just once again. with back with the archetypes it helps. kind of personify these different. energies in us um and then we just like. after inside out to some profound stuff. guys I had such um compass for my. anxiety I was like oh my God you've got. me so far thank you you've literally.

exhausted my body but thank you so much. for getting me here and preparing me. over preparation my God calm down but. thank you and I felt such gratitude for. her and I also felt I felt love for. anxiety for the first time in my life. and then through that I think joy and. anxiety and I noticed this with my dog. we're on the way to the park she's like. so excited then all of a sudden she has. anxiety and she's whining and crying and. I'm like oh my God same that's so true. cuz it's such a it's such a similar. energy even coming here I'm like I'm. excited for this podcast Alexis you're.

not nervous you're excited just yeah but. uh we get those energies mixed up but. they also they they kind of service each. other in a way um so that was really fun. it just it takes once again I think our. journey right now with our wisdom is. taking off the weight of all of it and. also not expecting it to come out with. something profound every single time and. just enjoying the moment for it and and. I think when we person those emotions it. gives us an opportunity to immediately. giggle about it honestly I think for us.

laughter has been it's everything like. sometimes you just need a giggle like it. sometimes it's too soon but I my my goal. I know I crack jokes way too soon and. everyone's just silent and then someone. goes that that was too soon Alexis and. I'm like oh oops and then I wait another. month and then I say it and everyone. laughs and I'm like okay I'll figure out. then when when to shoot those when to. shoot for the stars L on the cloud don't. worry guys um but yeah no it's it's it's. so helpful to have just that that. comedic relief and I think that too like.

that's actually the AR the fool. archetype is what me Al have been really. implementing in love like the Jack. Sparrow kind of just everything happens. to one of my favorite characters and. just yeah even like the Duncan Trestle. and the Mr brainwash and just like these. people who have just kind of stumbled. ass backward into like this Divine life. and it's like the Legally Blonde like. what like it's hard just like unraveling. all of these beliefs I had around. success and abundance like with you. where I'm like oh this can be fun and. almost like a treasure hunt my manager.

he's so cute I love my manager to death. we're best friends but he was he was uh. every time he calls me he's like guess. what and I'm like what and he's like so. I found this ring and it was my Dad's. ring and it was a blue sapphire and then. I go over here and this psychic told me. and he just like puts together all of. these little Clues and I stopped him and. I was like it's so beautiful that you. look at your life like this little. treasure hunt to the Divine and the fact. that you look at it in that way is why. it's unfold holding in this beautiful. fun like scavenger Hunty way and it's.

just a belief he had so I was like I'm. going to acquire this belief if you. don't mind I'm going to take this from. you and ever since then I've just been. kind of taking on that full Jack Sparrow. archetype of like let's just like fall. into and see what Happ I love it. you know why there comes full circle cuz. I told you I just went to kwaii so they. shot one of the Jack Sparrow scenes on. that beach in Blue Room yeah exactly. yeah exactly and so when I was there. that's all I was thinking about I like. this is. yeah exactly I love but no I love what. you're talking about because I think.

what's really interesting about it is. you're talking about the benefits of. actually balancing masculine and. feminine energy and how you both have. seen value in both and I think it's so. strange because I think the conversation. often shifts to like well which one are. you prioritizing so how would you. encourage people to think about their. balancing of their masculine and. feminine and how would you encourage. them to kind of navigate that I guess. the imbalance that may have because I I. don't think most people are trying to.

think about the balance because we we're. thinking it's either or and we're. thinking oh well masculine energy is the. one I need because that gets things done. but you're saying well what about rest. and refuel and nourishment or in your. case you know balancing your masculine. energy with the feminine yeah I think. the first step is giving a lot of. compassion to like once you find out cuz. I think too we look at spiritual growth. in any capacity of like when we weren't. balanced or aligned we failed it's just.

like no like the the contrast is there. to show us the way like there wouldn't. be light without dark it has to come. together it's both and so honoring okay. maybe I've been leaning into my. masculine a little bit more and maybe. it's been draining my body a lot because. I've been trying to force things and. make them happen and carve things out of. nothing and okay but that's also the. reason that I'm here and safe and I've. survived so just really like thanking it. for helping you survive and getting to. where you are because if we go still.

with that black and white way of. thinking of oh that's bad because I've. been doing that and I'm not fulfilled. that's bad and it's like no you need it. you just need to understand how to. integrate and incorporate it into your. life so I just I want you know if if. there's like a girl you know listening. who's like ah you know I would love to. feel more feminine I would love to you. know have more of that fairy energy. inside of me first is recognizing and. and giving so much appreciation into. that masculine that got you here because. it was there was probably a reason you. leaned into the masculine we our bodies.

are intelligent our hearts are. intelligent and we lean into what we. need to in order to survive and so it's. like this is incredible but now it's. time to not just survive anymore and. it's time to truly like get into that. thriving and then you can look at it as. in now how do I want to bring this. feminine energy into it yeah so it's. both they've been I mean even anxiety. it's that she's just trying to keep me. safe like she's just trying to keep me. prepared for this inter so I don't see. something stupid like she's just trying. to help you know it's all it's all there.

to assist you this is all intelligently. created divinely for you and when you. trust that like that's always the belief. I try to get girls to is like this is. all Divine if you can trust that it's. all Divine then any scenario that comes. your way you're going to look for the. growth because you're going to because. you know it's meant for you and you're. not a victim anymore so anything bad. that happens I'm like okay what are we. going to do god like how is this going. to you know navigate how how is this. going to assist my growth because it is. because this is divine because I believe. it one thing you raised there that I. love is this idea of how we at one point.

start to hate things that helped us. survive and it's fascinating it's like. that saved you that helped you it got. you to the other side and now that it's. no longer serving you we feel like we. wasted time we hate it we were wrong we. messed up rather than going that served. me then and now I'll find the next thing. to serve me and I'll always honor that. I'll always have a space for that in my. life. and it's a tool it's a skill it's a. habit it's a mindset I can go back to. but I don't have to now hate it and.

neglect it and negate it from having. value yeah or feel embarrassed feel. embarrassed yeah that's yeah that's a. common emotional yeah I love that first. of all because I don't know I mean I. actually I don't want to spoil inside. out but there's a really beautiful scene. at the end do it oh of inside out oh. this is a full Inside Out spoiler it is. I won't spoil it but it's like the the. visual representation of what you just. said and it's really beautiful so look. out for it okay. um this is just an inside out ad. apparently yeah exactly sponsor us.

sponsor. me it really is one of those brilliant. movies I I try to look at things in. storytelling and even. archetypally I'm trying to do the. opposite of my nature like for example. let's say I really had an integrated. ruler the only one that is just as. powerful as the ruler says the magician. would be the fool because the fool can. say anything to the king that he wants. to not be beheaded because that's his. job to be funny and honest um and so he. can poke at the king's ego in a way that.

no one else can and so with the ruler. maybe you're more serious and stoic but. maybe you need to bring in some of the. Full archetype and so it's the same with. masculine and feminine it's like what is. my impulse my. reactive step that I want to take and. can I actually try doing the opposite as. an experiment and see what happens and. do you bring that in through other. people or through activities you do. yourself or both whatever the moment. presents you know if I'm if I'm doing a. poem and I've done it the same way a. hundred times and it's gotten a great. reaction I'm like well let's let's yell.

let's yell and jump up and down and see. yeah because I think to your point we. need the freedom to try new coping. mechanisms we need the freedom to fail. that's super important not just for. artists but people in general is to not. be so hard on ourselves to be perfect. all the time so but I like being perfect. all the time it's. impossible we're just inside. out yeah you're just inside voices at. this point yeah no we all yeah we all. love pretending to be butf it was one of. the reasons why I did when I did my tour.

you guys didn't come to my show last. year yeah I. did like one of the reasons I did my. show in the style I did it and you can. be honest with me about how you felt. about it but the reason I did it in the. way I did was because I wanted to shake. off that holier than thou I'm the. teacher I'm the guide I wanted just that. to just go and so from the moment I came. out it was me making natural jokes humor. everything was just real it was it was.

who I am in in who I really believe I am. and on stage I feel like I can be 360. degrees of who I am which I can't always. be in a video or a snapshot or whatever. it may be and if someone listen to the. podcast they get all of who I am but. it's on stage I can just totally let. loose my real goal of the show was to. show people that they could do. uncomfortable things it wasn't that I. could tell you the right thing and you. could think I'm great it's that you. could see people like you so I would. take people from the audience and they. would do some of the most incredible.

uncomfortable things live on stage and. it was just random people from the. audience that we hadn't prepared with. they weren't staged or casted it was. truly organic and I loved it it was. beautiful because I was just amazed at. the human spirit and resilience and grit. and at the same time I was able to make. my audience the star of the show so. people would like there was one girl who. came up and she said to me afterwards. she said Jay like literally I got 10. people ran and hugged me after I told my.

story or like after I came off stage. like I had seven people approached me. and ask me to to build community with me. and it was just amazing to kind of. create that energy and that's what it. was for me it's what you both just said. it was like I used it as a creative. expression to say I want to shake off. those shackles of what I think people. think of me it's exactly what you did. and going back to this idea of instead. of giving people the answer it's more. about presenting just more and more. honest questions until they get there. that's exactly what you did on stage now.

I don't know if I had the ball seat up. on that stage my God some of those. people were so brave which show did you. come to the LA show uh yeah the one near. the airport I don't know exactly that. little YouTube YouTube theat yeah that. and that was incredible because watching. them transform through their own answers. like that's that's true just that's true. power for an individual so it was. incredible to see that for you instead. cuz like yeah usually like a like that. would typically just be you sharing. wisdom but it felt so interactive so I.

definitely saw that from my end of it as. well definitely the Hope yeah I want to. talk to you a bit about this journal. you've built and created because I think. that you've thought about journals very. differently I think a lot of journals. are very daily and your journals feels. like more like a journey that can kind. of begin and end and start wherever you. want which is beautiful you both have. talked about letters this whole time. yeah and you encourage letter writing as. part of your journaling process walk me.

through your favorite journaling. practice in there that could include a. letter may not include a letter that. you're so excited for people to do and. why they should do it when they should. do it and what you hope they'll get out. of it I one of my favorites is uh we. have like a letter to fear essentially. and it's basically you write a letter to. fear um and then the next um you start. asking it qu questions and you kind of. start having this really beautiful fluid.

conversation with fear and our goal. always is to get people out of this. mindset of like bad good because that is. what Shields Us in all of these boxes. and so with the journal it's just us. sharing and and hoping to just show you. this those honest answers that you guys. give where you realize how it all. assists you even your fear you know and. I also love the one where um we even. have you talk to death as well we get. into some because I think you know ally. points this out beautifully she was like.

you can never truly live if you haven't. really fac death in some way um because. that's what makes life so valuable and. beautiful is knowing that this is. temporary um and you also don't really. know like everything becomes clear you. know when when something of that nature. happens um and so giving kind of people. yeah just a little bit of a plant. medicine Journey via Journal. um and getting them very clear on what. they want because when you just ask like.

what do you want it becomes overwhelming. you shut down but when you start asking. hey what have I been shielding myself. from what do I envy in people what. triggers me the most like those types of. questions are going to get you to uh. what you truly want and desire quicker. than any of like more of the forthright. coming answers yeah I think it's just. valuable to climb into perspectives. other than your own so there's one where. write yourself a letter as though you're. your mother or father on the day you're. born there's one where you talk to death.

there's one where you talk to fear and. and it's just very important. to step outside of yourself especially. in forgiveness work or you know if you. need to express anger whatever it is a. journal is a place where everything gets. to belong there's nothing too ugly um it. just has to be honest that's really the. in also subconscious writing that's been. one of my favorite tools that we give. them we'll give there's like five or six. just blink pages and basically will'll. give you a subject and you have to write. as fast as you can because it will quite.

literally get to your subconscious an. acting coach actually did this with me. we're using my dad as a reference for. the scene and she was like I want you to. write as fast as you can about your dad. and by the 10th page I was you know. crying cuz I I had all of these messages. and things come through that I never. knew was inside of me because I finally. got through that conscious mind back to. the subconscious and it finally started. talking to me so you can subconscious. write um literally about anything and. that's that's why it's so powerful. because you could subconscious write.

without any intention and you'll still. get to some light bulb a moment because. it's just finally it's like meditation. you're writing as fast as your thoughts. so you can't really read it back cuz it. kind of gets all messy we're just like. right our our our Warriors are like I. can't feel my hand you're just like just. keep going but they always come to these. incredible realizations so that's. definitely something I um wish that you. guys try at some point whoever's.

listening it's really it's an Incredible. Gift it's kind of like the morning pages. from like the artist way but instead of. you know overanalyzing what you're. saying and if you're growing and is it. working you just you write so fast that. there is you and you write the thoughts. so it's like the subconscious writing. starts hey I don't really want to do. this uh this my hands already aches how. am I going to get how am I going to. write 10 pages you quite literally have. to be super honest with exactly what's. going through your brain and that's how. you get through I'm I'm assuming that. you both believe that most of us don't.

often connect with our subconscious or. do we and do we not see the signs how do. you feel. about I guess the question is does our. subconscious ever try and communicate. with us or is it something that we're. always having to try and unleash and. unravel I feel like we're ruled by what. remains buried in us and I I do a lot of. dream work with my friend he's a great. dream analyst and he uses Carl Young. again I love Carl Young clearly but it's.

that it's a language and I think if your. subconscious knows you're you're. speaking to it it starts speaking back I. I always personify it as a little. monster when I feel like it's getting. overactive like if things are going. really well for example my subconscious. is waiting for the shoe to drop and so. it starts looking for things to upper. limit or Panic about when everything's. totally fine and so I I gave it a. character um it's like this little. ladybug and I named it Bert because it. it removes the power it's that process.

of naming something when you can just. make it this funny little thing but I. think if you can love your little. monster it'll love you back and it will. help you and be with you in your life. versus ignoring it then it starts to. rule you and be in the driver's seat at. least that's how I see it similar with. intuition actually too like once you. start building that intuitive and. understanding your intuitive pulses you. start having a stronger and stronger. relationship with it and then it's like. and then it's just speed dial like I can. connect with my intuition immediately.

and it's yeah it's yeah that I think. that was another really incredible thing. that we had with the Warriors cuz we. were like okay let's talk about. intuition and all the girls were like. but I don't what is my intuition and I. was like oh wow okay first we need to. figure out how to get you guys back to. connecting with intuition and what that. means for you and then through that we. can use intuition and workshops but we. had to even go back farther to be like. oh okay let's let's build a relationship. first because everything has. relationships every everything is a. relationship um and it's always a. two-way street yeah I fully agree with. you we have a relationship with money we.

have a relationship with food we have a. relationship with our bodies we have a. relationship with others and that's. something I wanted to talk to you both. about I imagine that a lot of questions. you get have some correlation to dating. love a romantic partner what are some of. these subconscious beliefs that you're. seeing holding people back from love. what have you seen in your own Journeys. towards romantic love. that you feel have held you back from. really creating something powerful or. beautiful like you have in your.

friendship and how do you guide young. women through that journey of their life. because I feel like if there's anything. that has been seen as put on the. greatest pedestal or platform or the. ultimate achievement as you rightly said. was why you become the porcel and doll. is because you've been told that that's. what gives you protection so that's so. hardwired what's the Breakthrough inside. for that at least for me my work is um. in love surrendering the sword first.

that's the only way to win the battle. and explain that to me like we it's very. easy to throw up a guard and to tiptoe. into something especially now there's so. many options you can be non-committal so. easily because there's always something. you know richer smarter prettier. whatever it is versus actually leaning. into the person in front of you and I. think that's my work is fully leaning in. no matter what so that when if it ends. whether that's through dying together in. our 90s or 9 minutes from now it just.

doesn't work out at least I'll know I. gave all of myself because I think. that's what haunts me is if I didn't. lean into a moment so yeah I think by. surrendering my sword by being the first. to strip off my armor that's when I. actually feel really proud of myself and. love whether or not it works out I feel. it's successful in that way how do you. respond to that when it could be that. someone took advantage of that or. someone. misused that openness and vulnerability. that you gave them how do you reconcile.

that afterwards in the aftermath that it. only lasted 3 months or 6 months or. whatever it was and it wasn't as deep. and beautiful as you wanted to commit. towards there's not really a way for me. to know that you know I can't I can't. peer into the future and that's the risk. I take in love it reminds me of that K. Jabron poem on love where he says when. love beckons you follow him though his. ways are hard and steep you know it it's. true you might get wounded. and it's just the risk that we take with. caring about people you know we'll lose.

them one way or another whether they die. before us or we die before them this. fear of will I ever find my person is. now replaced with will I lose my person. and that just comes with caring about. someone other than yourself it it's an. inevitable reality and so if I can face. that every day and accept that it makes. me have more courage to lean in yeah I. want to Echo that just because I think. we Define successful relationships as. lasting forever MH where for me and Ally. as we're you know learning and growing. it's really about letting it morph into.

whatever it's meant to be so whether. that stays romantic or or it changes. into something else or you know if you. feel like it's time to leave um making. sure that the love is still there no. matter the decision because I think it's. way easier to just wait until you both. get so triggered that then we can just. make a make a make each other the the. bad villain or whatever and then move on. with our lives but the the real growth. and and when you know kind of the. universe that God knows that you're. ready for a partner is when you act in.

love not because they deserve it or you. know because you want to show them or. whatever it's because you are love and. that's just what you attract and so for. me at least like with my prior. relationship to this one um that's. exactly what happened I I was absolutely. heartbroken um but I knew that this was. a conversation with me and God now about. okay can you end this in love because. regardless if he wants to stay. um you are love and so you're going to. end it in this way and then therefore um.

the real the real partnership will come. and and that's exactly what happens so. also too you know the it is it is a. little chaotic right now in the world. with this idea of not attachment you. know we we we associate it with. spirituality a lot because it's like oh. I'm not attached but Ally also has this. beautiful poem where she was like if you. don't if you just constantly go with the. flow of the river you're going to fall. off the waterfall like it's when we. don't use that masculine energy to to. say no I want this I want to do this I. want to work for this then everything.

just there's no there's uh there's no. real intimacy and no real connection and. I think that's our that's my goal at. least with every romantic relationship. if I have one if whatever it is is just. getting to the depth of that connection. so that both of us can grow and growth. is my definition of success in. relationship not time and it's scary too. because I think when you're in a. relationship and you feel like you're. not getting something that you want um. you usually will go in your bathroom try. and figure it out come to a conclusion.

and then tell the person as opposed to. being letting them in on the. conversation being like hey I'm not. getting this type of energy or this type. of treatment and I'm really noticing. that it's an ultimatum for me in. relationships and I want to include you. on this conversation because I'm. terrified of hurting you or I'm. terrified of like um leaving this life. and you know just it bringing them into. the conversation is what takes the power. away from it and then it's like it's an. honest love no matter what and that's. it's really scary cuz it's way easier to.

just come to the conclusion and then. present it to them and it's even scarier. being like hey I'm terrified of breaking. your heart how does that make you feel. but at least it's it's it's an honest. conversation and I'm I'm noticing that. with our relationship I've been in a. relationship for four almost five years. now um and that's it like every six to n. months we just we have to you know have. a conversation of like hey is there. anything that's not being honored within. the relationship that you feel like you. need um cuz I think going back to this. masculine and feminine that's super.

important in a relationship it's fluid. you know sometimes you'll lean into the. masculine sometimes I'll you know he'll. lean into feminine but when we. especially with females you know we are. in the masculine too much in a. relationship we kind of become the. mother archetype a little bit of like. did you do the bed blah blah like you're. picking on things that don't need to be. picked on and it's usually because uh. the feminine us hasn't been honored in a. way where it's like have you taken her. out have you you know done a romantic. weekend or whatever it is it's just. bringing that romance back into it so.

then the female can just like fall into. her femininity and and feel like a. princess truly because that's what we. also want in a relationship at least for. me I like to feel like a. princess Ali's like no she she likes. Princess too what what what's your take. on like how this language of like high. value man and high value woman is like. permeated like social media culture. relationships and like yeah how really I. don't know to me it Feels So.

transactional. of I think we're drawn to people who. bring out the side of us that needs to. come out in a way and I've always. trusted that life will bring me the. person that I meant to fall for and I've. trusted that I feel like I'll feel it. when I see them versus if I create this. checklist of like he has to make this. much money and drive this car and look. like this and do this it takes the magic. out of it um and I'm not actually. present with the person in front of me. and at least on a soul level I don't. know that I'll learn the most from the.

person on my checklist you know I don't. know that I'll be able to dance on the. ashes of who we once were together if. it's what my mind thinks because at. least I find whatever my mind thinks. should happen is usually not what should. happen I agree at all that is yeah so I. want to be surprised because love is. such a greater force than me and it's so. humbling and yeah I guess when I hear. the high value man high value woman it. automatically to me and insinuates that. you don't have value or you know what I. mean it it triggers the self-esteem.

thing at least that's how I feel when I. hear it absolutely yeah I I love your. take on it and I think I think my take. is that you can't really. judge value in that way because I I. always give this example of like when I. met rad I was in debt and didn't have a. job and didn't know what I was going to. do and so if I was judged on my value of. my net worth or any of those things it. would have been.

minus but I was not judged I was. approached by Rad based on my values not. my value and that totally was a. different take and she invested in my. values and those values are what. constructs a healthy relationship today. I don't think whether we've had money or. not had money it actually affected our. romantic connection or whether we had. things or didn't have things whether it. affected our intimacy like that wasn't. what had an impact I always say to.

people like how tall someone is isn't. going to. change whether you guys are have it's. also so much fun to grow with them and. to be like I was there from the. beginning like that's so satisfying and. cool in its own way so when we're always. constantly looking for like the finished. product of someone it's like well then. where's that gritty growth that I love. so much because at least that's what we. have in our friendship. it's just like this gritty like I'm. going to continue to like go with you on.

this journey whichever way you know if. you need to bury a dead body let's go. like it's that energy on purpose. podcast he's like. cut love each other out um no but it's. true like I I I even the past 5 years. I'm like this is incredible to see how. much we've grown together it's almost. it's exhilarating in its own way so I I. do think too um and Men also I think I. want to talk a little bit about. potential because um I think women women.

who run with the wolves that incredible. book they were talking about how women. it's in one of it's part of our nature. to see a man's potential and to truly. like help lift them to get them there. and so so many times I hear my friends. you know embarrassed that they fell for. them for his potential and then they. felt guilty or bad that they were trying. to push him in a direction that maybe he. didn't want to go in and when I read. that in the book I realized oh oh no cuz. the right man will be so excited so that. you see that path for them and will walk.

that path with you in a beautiful way so. it there is truth within that that. natural ability that women have it's. it's so beautiful and I've seen that. with my own relationship like it is so. fun to watch him grow and become this. incredible man it is it's so much more. satisfying than if I would have just. gone on a date with this version of him. now and met him now it's our nature to. to to to feed that potential to. something greater and if he if he's the. right guy and he's ready for you then.

that's where the growth and the. Beautiful like Garden that you guys will. create comes from so it's really. beautiful I could listen to you both. talk forever now we can on the EA. podcast I'm so excited I hope I hope. you're both going to have loads of. conversations with each other too. because I could just hear you you two. talk without any guess or any need it's. been interesting being a host like I. will say so cuz like like watching you. do this and and how you're able to. you're so present you're able to wrap. around a story and you're able to take. different questions and you know form. them into new ones to take us on this.

new path it's this incredible talent. that you have so I definitely have. watched yours and studies yours a lot. but then also like adding our own little. sauce into it has been so fun and um. it's actually like way more intimidating. to be interviewed as opposed to be the. host like I prefer being the host so. much more but it's realize that you. realize that because in the beginning. when you're hosting you're also nervous. and scared and then you realize the. person in the seat is has a way harder. job way more intense so but no you. you're both are phenomenal I want to end. uh with the final five which we always.

do the end of every on purpose interview. but we're going to change it up we're. going to take questions from the journal. because I think that would be fun and so. the questions that but the hard part is. the questions have to be answered in one. word to one sentence maximum and I'll. probably allow you I'll probably want. you to expand as time goes on so. question one let's start with an easy. one let's not start with he keeps fling. yeah yeah like I've got a really good. one there for for later on oh no but um. let's we'll start with an easy one uh. what piece of advice would you give to a.

younger you your brain's just not fully. formed you're going to be okay don't. worry about it like 25 it'll calm down. smooth sailing but just like it's fine. you're good I love it buckle up baby. enjoy the. ride okay great if life stopped today. what would you regret not doing I love. that question surfing spending way more. time with family need to be on the water. more yeah honestly nothing. a.

yeah that's beautiful that's an amazing. place to be tell me about all the parts. of yourself that you cringe. at H my unfiltered thoughts my intrusive. thoughts they just will come out I've. been pretty good on this episode but. like I love you're intrusive thoughts. but they just become my personality and. it come I just yeah there's moments. where I'm like don't don't and it just. comes out so I guess yeah my intrusive. thoughts are pretty cringey especially. when I just can't stop saying them out.

loud I think it was being homeschooled. there's just no filter and then also my. mother was like oh adults oh no they're. just they're like you but older and I. was like oh and then I never really got. you know afraid and never called people. Mr and mes and so there was never like. this disconnection from me and my elders. in a sense. um so I just there's no filter in never. went to school so I just will keep. talking so I'm going to shut up. now this is all intrusive thoughts I.

love it yeah um I think I just cringe at. being a walking bumper sticker like as. as a poet I'm just so trained to say I. can see her cringe had to say line that. she said a 100 times I can't stand it. it's such a good line though say it I. think that's why I appreciate her it's. the balance yeah yeah there's nothing. composed and I'm too composed and so. somewhere we'll become a person in the. middle I always say that I'm like I take. life too seriously and rad doesn't take. life seriously at all and it's the only. way to balance it out it's a similar.

Dynamic I know what I'm doing every. minute of the day and it Ry doesn't so. yeah all right question number four list. of things that you're running. from okay I just spit. um. uh. mortality um to get like really deep. I've been feeling like I've been needing. to face death in different types of ways.

maybe it's plant plant medicine thing. maybe I don't know what it is but I feel. once I can have a more honest. relationship with death I'll be able to. because now I I I love my life so much. and I love who I am so much so I'm like. I just really want to be in it so deeply. and I and I know that like fear of death. and fear of losing it all is kind of. ruining the presence for me a little bit. so yeah thank you I'm running for my. gifts I think I've hit a certain.

comfortable place in writing but I want. to see how far I can go and stretch that. muscle but it feels like that Mary and. Williamson quote of we're afraid of our. power more than failure I just butchered. that terribly but I'm I'm afraid of that. seeing how far I can go what about you. Jett yeah what am I running from yeah oh. that's a great is that is that what. you're saying that's what you're saying. right that question it's such a great. question I literally can't wait to do. this like I'm I'm really excited uh what. am I running.

from I think I'm running. from I'm actually doing what I was. talking about earlier I'm running from a. past self an identity that no longer. serves me but I think I'm doing it not. in the right way. so my history is important to me and. it's powerful and it's so much the. reason I am who I am today and I. think sometimes I'm trying to run away. from my history because I'm so different.

today externally and in so many other. ways but I don't think that's the right. thing to do so I'd say that's what I'm. running from if that makes sense at all. it does it does all right and Fifth and. final question what are you pretending. not to know right now that's the. question that I wanted him oh is it yeah. remember or what what did cot say um our. friend C blacks and asked to said. yeah yeah um oh yeah I interviewed C. years ago oh he's so powerful he's great.

he's oh my God what Larger than Life. yeah oh my gosh what am I pretending not. to know right now oh no oh no that's I. was really hoping he wasn't going to ask. that question but I wanted to ask him. that question and now we're I'll answer. it too I'll I answer of you guys um I. think I I I do feel a little bit. of fear of success with the podcast. because we had this conversation with. cud um there's a difference between um.

sharing who you are and exposing who you. are and I always got nervous with that. because with social media it's. everyone's just going to use any part of. their life to gain attraction and I. really want to maintain a sense of. privacy while also sharing deeply who I. am I feel you do a really good job about. that um so I I think. I'm I'm afraid of. of that line being crossed with now that. we're in this like more slow form. content.

because this is the only type of content. on the internet that I feel actually. shows all versions of someone and that's. why me and Ally were so excited to get. into it but there's definitely a huge. fear of it right now that I'll expose. myself in some way or feel like I hate. those vulnerability hangovers my God. doesn't feel good it doesn't feel good. so real so yeah what about you I feel. that's what you said earlier about the. inner peace external chaos um I find. what brings me inner peace I notice.

rocks the boat of people I love most a. lot of the time and so I really really. struggle with not wanting to hurt people. and then suffocating a part of myself. and I think there's a balance between. the two of freedom and security but I. think it's pretending not to know when. something's good for me but I know it's. going to be something that feels like. upheaval inside yeah yeah well thank you. guys it's going deep I like it yeah I'll. answer it too what are you pretending.

not to know right now I'd. say it's I feel that there's a larger. than life bigger service that I'm meant. to walk into but I feel like the. immediate keeps taking my attention and. so I'm. pretending not to know that there's this. bigger thing that will be harder work. that be deeper work yeah that that is. asking me to pick up the call but it's. almost like you're avoiding the call. because there's all this immediate stuff. that is good and it's great and it's.

helping and it is service based as well. but it's you know there's more and. you're not picking up the call so oh. that's a good that's that's honest what. I love about every everything I've said. to you guys and and even just sitting. and do this activity with you I love. that those beautiful simple well-crafted. questions made me say things that I. probably haven't said out loud to anyone. in years maybe so you know the power of. the questions you've curated and chosen.

are really special and I'm so excited. for people to dive into it I'm honestly. seeing with you both today I can. honestly say that uh I hope that you. come back to teach me some more and uh. and off offline as well I mean it I. actually genuinely mean that I'm not. just saying that I I really hope you'll. come back offline to teach me some more. I'm going to reach out to both of you. yeah I can't wait for people to listen. to easa I'm so excited for people to use. the becoming a warrior journals and I'm.

rooting for you guys in forever in your. corner in any way that I can be and so. grateful that you you came on to on. purpose you're the best ever thank you. so much you've supported me for years. and I just I feel so much gratitude when. I think of you and Rody and like truly. you've you guys kind of like took me. under your wink so I really really. appreciate it and thank you for. welcoming Ali on of course thank you you. really create such a beautiful safe. space where it elicits honesty in a way. that's not invasive and like calm. honesty it doesn't feel it's supportive.

and loving thank you that means the. world to me did I not ask you anything. that you wanted to share or something. that was on your heart and mind that you. really want to share with the community. right now if there's anything please. feel free it's an open open floor I just. think the the the Box conversation has. just been so relevant in my life in the. last year and always just comes back to. this idea of giving the world us. individuals the grace of change because.

it's truly what we need and that's why. me and Ally have such a close connection. because we've given each other the G the. grace of change and we need that more. than ever in this world I fully agree. Alie any what she. said I love it everyone who's been. listening or watching wherever you are. whether you're walking your dog you're. at home you're on the way to work on the. way back from work you're at the gym. Wherever You Are please make sure that. you tag all three of us tag Ali tag. Alexis tag myself let us know what stood.

out to you what resonated with you. remember I want you to go listen to this. with a friend to deepen your friendship. to remove Envy from your connections and. of course start removing the boxes start. trying to live in bigger boxes and allow. ourselves to give us permission to be. the fullest 360 degree version of. ourselves so big thank you to Alexis big. thank you to Ally and uh thank you for. listening to on purpose everyone thank. you so much right thank you thank you if. you love this episode you'll love my. interview with Dr gabo mate on.

understanding your trauma and how to. heal emotional wounds to start moving on. from the past everything in nature grows. only where it's vulnerable so a tree. doesn't grow where it's hard and thick. does it it goes where it's soft and. green and vulnerable.