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Joining me today is the co-host of Mean. But True. Great title of a podcast, Suzanne Lambert. Suzanne, welcome. >> I'm so excited to be here. >> I'm so It's been way I cannot believe we. haven't met in person. >> I can't either. Every single day I get. at least a dozen comments being like, "You have to be on I've had it. You have. to have them on your show." I'm like, "What if you just called Taylor up? Like, I would love to go on iPad." And. now I'm here. I'm an I' I'm an I. hipster. >> I love it. I love the Okay, let's talk. about John Oaf and you being from.

Georgia. So, he's really, you know, uh, popping to the top of a lot of lists. right now, like potential 2028 or, you. know, top fighter in the Democratic. party. I'm always curious about like the. moderate voter. can a moderate in Georgia who sees John. Oaf talk he's centering corruption which. is what um uh Maggar did in Hungary he.

centered Victor Orban's corruption. that's what he ran on and he won against. a very rig system and so Oaf is. centering this corruption what do you. think the like main voter moderate voter. in Georgia. Do they hate him? Is there a. lot of brand damage done to him or is he. popular? >> I know so many Trump Osaw voters. >> really. >> Yes. Yes. And I think it's, you know, AOC said this and they're very different. politically, but AOC said the same thing.

how a lot of people voted for her and. they voted for Trump. I think what. people see in John Oaf beyond the fact. that he's always riding for Georgia. He's talking about Georgia. It's it's G. It's not even America first, it's. Georgia first, right? Um, he's always. talking about Georgia, but I think that. he calls things very plainly. He. communicates very plainly and he's. compelling and he's cool. Like any of my. guy friends, if they met John Oaf would. be like, "Oh, that guy's the man. I want. to vote for him." You know what I mean? >> You know, I really want to do Kylie and. Ryan. I want to do a lot of content and.

we can coordinate about this right now. online. Yeah. >> We need to really do a lot of brand. damage to these MAGA men. >> Oh, yeah. >> Like, okay, JD Vance running to get his. kids at Disneyland. How ridiculous it. looked. Um, what's his face? Pete Hexetu. went with the bench presses. Donald. Trump giving the microphone a. Um, Cash Patel just sitting there. looking crazy. Um, you know, we could go. down the list. Um, uh, Elon Musk, all. just there's so many videos of them. really advertising what betas they are.

and how inferior they are, juxtaposing. that with our new squad of hot men in. the Democratic party that Fox News can't. even quit talking about. How I love that. the one girl is getting hot and bothered. every time she talks about Zoron or John. Oaf Abdul. It's so funny. Yeah. And. these these men are boys. Like we. are in the position we are in because. losers who never had any friends now. have a ton of power which I think is. incredibly dangerous. Like we have the.

National Guard in DC because these guys. are too afraid to to walk around alone. We have ICE invading neighborhoods. because they're afraid of anyone who. isn't white. like it all. They're all. just like little They're so. afraid of their way of life being. threatened in any kind of way. And it's. that's like the root of it. And I think. we absolutely need to juxtapose how much. we have Mark Kelly who was who flew in. Desert Storm 39 times and was a. astronaut. We have John Oaf. We have.

Abdul Sayed who has a thousand degrees. and was like validictorian. I think he. was captain of the football and. lacrosse. Like we have real men on our. side, >> right? >> They have JD Vance. >> and wears eyeliner. >> Who wears eyeliner and who doesn't. his wife. Did you see the video with him. next to Usha where he leaned over? >> Good to see. >> that is what I would do to Well, I just. wouldn't do it to anyone but like. someone who maybe I had never met be. like met before. Not to someone you're.

allegedly having children with. >> Yeah. I think it was probably an invitro. situation. >> like Yeah. Yeah, it's something. >> Yeah, I do. >> It's something. >> Okay, so let's dive into um Katie. Miller. >> All right, so Katie Miller is a a. complete freak. I mean, truly like this. woman is a total freak. In her. spare time, she binge watched Gray's. Anatomy. She's triggered by like. lesbians, gay people, black people, very.

triggered, which goes to your point that. these people live in a constant state of. fear. Fear is their motivating factor. [snorts] Of course, she's married to. somebody [clears throat] who is more. unfuckable than Ted Cruz, which is. Steven Miller. And she's married to him. on purpose. >> On purpose. Yeah. She wakes up and the. first face she sees is his. >> Steven. >> Imagine that. >> Here she is um posting a birthday. tribute to Stephen. Let's pop this up. Happy birthday to my favorite person, the best dad, and my forever partner.

Watching at Stephenm live his life's. dream with drive and determination every. day inspires me. Our children, her. children are like two, um, and everyone. who knows him. When we left the White. House in 2021, Steven knew he had. unfinished business. Rarely do you get a. chance to fulfill un to fulfill. interrupted dreams. And he doesn't take. a second of this privilege for granted. Flipping through my thousands of photos. and none from Indie Car today of anyone.

but our kids. This one seems. appropriate. This is an inauguration. evening 2025 in Steven's office that we. packed up. Okay, I've read enough. Do we. have this photograph that she posts of. Stephen? [laughter]. Seriously. So, that is a LinkedIn post that you. write about a coworker. Did she even say. she loves him anywhere in there? >> She talks about their four little kids,

which it's very alarming to me how much. they're breeding, but pop that tweet. back up. Steven never quits. Never. >> She never says she loves them. >> She never says she loves. >> ability change. No, she never does. >> Had to throw Trump in there. >> So, what do you think? Like I think we. need to browbeat all of these people all. the time. >> Yeah. We need to humiliate them. Humiliation. What? It's that quote. It's. women are afraid of getting murdered. Men are afraid of getting laughed at.

>> It's their biggest fear is getting. laughed at. And for Trump in particular, getting laughed at and not getting. applause. I'll never forget when I was. at the joint address last year, the one. that was like 3 hours long before. dementia [clears throat] fully took him. fully took him in his in its clutches. within 10 minutes he stopped and he was. like, "So I'm none of the Democrats are. gonna clap for me all night, huh?" Like. that's all that he cared about, right? All that they care about is that. So we. have to just rip the seat out from. underneath them because they don't know. how to do it. And if we can be funny.

while we do it cuz they're not funny. >> They're not funny at all. Think about. when everyone started calling Steven. Miller ugly and Katie Miller got so. pissed because she didn't realize we all. knew he was ugly. you know, like she. didn't realize we all thought the same. thing she did. That's why she was so. pissed. >> And then also, I think it's important at. the same time to point out just what a. vile piece of Steven Miller is. He. is a racist, a white supremacist. The. danger of people like Steven Miller, on.

top of how wholly unattractive he is, on. top of how psychotic his wife is, these. people are breathtaking hypocrites. They. sit and lecture everybody about family. values while they only care about. certain families. >> Yeah. Only certain families and doing. all of the things that they say are bad. I mean, everywhere from big titty. Brianitt. >> to like, it's just at every step of the. way, they're complete hypocrites. And.

it's it comes to a point where it's. like, when are y'all going to realize. that the people pointing their finger. the most have the most fingers pointing. back at them, right? Especially with. with Steven Miller. I mean, it's like. he's a a literal white supremacist who. refuses to say things like white. privilege exist while also being a white. supremacist. Um, we have to keep. hammering it home. I agree. All right, let's We also need to keep hammering uh. president's gained quite a bit of weight. and it's visible to the He was already.

obese. >> No, what do you mean? He had the same. stats as LeBron James. [laughter]. Remember that? What was it? 63 220 4%. body fat. >> Exactly. Um so now the doctors are. warning about his health. Let's pop this. up. The Washington Post is reporting. President Donald Trump has faced. scrutiny for bruising on his hands, swelling in his ankles, and apparent. drowsiness, among other questions about. his health. Some doctors say they're. worried about another risk. The 23. pounds that Trump appears to have gained.

since his last campaign for president. See, and this is where like. I'm jealous that the Republicans have. Fox and that so many people watch it. because if Biden or Obama got a 23 pound. weight gain, it would be breaking news. It would be wall- to-wall coverage and. you know our alternative which is CNN or. MSNBC or CNN, they're not going to do. that. So it's it falls to us. >> It falls to us. Like this man is clearly.

morbidly obese. While it's been reported. that during Trump 1.0, he didn't want. Tiffany in any photographs with him. because he thought Tiffany was fat. >> No. >> Yeah. Yeah. Look it up, y'all. Look. Yeah. He did not want Tiffany. photographed with him because he thought. she was fat. >> Oh my god. He's so evil. >> Yeah. >> He's so evil. Yeah. I mean, they're not. they're not going to report on it. And. Democrats will do this. And I've said, I'm not interested in winning the. world's best liberal competition.

World's best leftist, most pure leftist. You guys can do that. Good for you. I'm. going to make fun of our fat ass. president for getting%. And we have to. also do that and not hammering about it. and be so like in our feelings about it. because that works. Well, I think when. it comes to fascists, when it comes to. people that are trying to deny equality. and um push women, you know, out of jobs. and you have Pete Hexth who has a very. up pastor. >> and they're calling people fat. Pete.

Hexth is calling service members fat. >> Comes to them, they're going to get fat. shamed. I'm going to talk about if I. think Moses Mike Grinder uh Johnson is. in the closet. I'm going to make fun of. Big Titty Brain. I'm going to make fun. of every single one of them because our. purity tests in this fight right now. don't work. These people are schoolyard. bullies and you have to reduce your. language to the schoolyard for in order. for them to understand. And furthermore, I think we have to start doing. reputational brand damage to the. Republican man because that's where.

their big voting block is, men. >> Yeah. >> And the MAGA men are such. >> They're such They're the. biggest in the world. and cons. and Gen Z conservative men are more. conservative than boomer men. And you. know, they'll say things like, especially around abortion, like Gen Z. men are very conservative on abortion in. particular. And they'll say things like, "Well, if you didn't want to get. pregnant, you shouldn't have sex." I'm. like, "Well, that's easy for y'all to. say cuz no one wants to you, [laughter] right?" But we're.

over here. I know that you look at. y'all's vice president and you look. around and you think no one is having. sex, but we actually are having sex on. the left and it's fun and we like doing. it. And while I most certainly would. prefer, you know, like preventative like. screening and testing and. contraceptives, when the fact of the. matter is when you restrict abortion. access, all of those things get. restricted, too. It's just the way it. is. So, if we share a common goal, which. I would like for for there to be fewer.

abortions in the world, too, right? My. reasons might be different because I'm. like, "Hey, anytime we can exercise. preventative medicine, that's good. For. the same reason, I would want to avoid. root canals and things like that. If. y'all don't want abortions for a. different reason, we share a common. goal. And the only way to do that is to. expand. >> reproductive health care. It's not to. make it smaller.". >> Well, and we the the fool's errand of. all of this is is this. abstinenceonly culture. And it's number. one, it doesn't work. Like I don't know.

about you, but I grew up in this, you. know, obviously George was pretty. conservative. >> I was Catholic, so yeah, >> I grew up with all these conservative. Bible thumpers. They were the first to. lose their virginity. The very first. I. mean, they I mean, I'm talking 13, 14. years old. Bigger the holy roller. >> The kids were the first out of the. gates. [laughter]. >> I'm sorry. It was right there. It was. right [laughter] there. had to. Uh, but. the abstinence only is so stupid. And I.

I believe that the whole abortion thing. is a punitive. uh psychological reaction to these men. that grow up with these desires. They're. horny. They want to masturbate. They. want to think about screwing. They want. to think about grabbing boobies. They. want to think about these things. But. they're told, "God is surveilling every. single one of your thoughts." And so if. you're thinking about sex, he knows. And. that's just as bad as having sex.

>> That is fundamentally insane. We are. genetically hardwired to perpetuate the. species. And so they there's a punitive. nature in the Republican fundamentalist. Christian party where they want to. punish the objects of their desire. So. for the straight MAGA men, it's women. And then you get a lot of misogynistic. women who go, "Oh my, I know my. husband's thinking about, you know, banging his secretary or banging. >> and he is.". >> Yes. And so then they carry out this.

punitive nature on women where if they. have an abortion, we have to we have to. slight shame them. And the scarlet. letter is they have to have their baby. That's the scarlet letter with no. prevention. And then of course those are. the closeted Republicans who want to. punish gay men because they're. incredibly jealous that gay men have. evolved to such a place where they have. pride parade where they're proud. >> where these closeted Republicans live. with just this horrific shame and then. you know you die like Lindsey Graham. where then all of the sex workers are. coming out of the woodwork talking about.

yeah Lindsay wore red panties and. >> I learned about that on your podcast. That's red of all colors. What a tart. >> I know. You know, I'm like, I don't even. know the last time I ripped out a red. set. Like, that's like. >> That's a good point. [laughter]. >> You know what I mean? Like, red red is. like I really want it. You know what I. mean? It's a little desperate. Yeah, you. could say. Um, I was like, "Wow, red. Really?" Let's Let's take a gander at. Darlene Graham. Darlene is, of course,

Lindsay's sister, >> and a lot of people are making the. point, she's so unqualified. She's so. unqualified. And I agree, but I don't. know that she's any more unqualified to. be senator than Lindsay was because. Darlene and Lindsay will both vote for a. 80-year-old morbidly obese man's fragile. ego to destroy the country. So, I don't. know that experience or knowing. from Shyola means anything in the. Republican party. But here is Dar a. video, an unearthed video of Darlene.

embracing DEI. Play the clip. Actually, one of the. things I didn't mention, we had 83. consumers go out of work last year. That's more than since two 2017. >> and we've done some major things at our. agency. We're working on all new. policies and procedures, putting. internal controls in place. We got a. diversity inclusion committee. I want to. be a leader in state agency when it. comes to that. We are really rebuilding. the foundation of that agency.

>> Is she wearing a mask? Yeah, granted it. is it is under her nose, but she's. wearing one. >> I mean, she is wearing a mask. And did. she say diversity and inclusion? She was. working very hard on that. >> I did hear that. It's almost like she. recognizes that there are tangible um. business advantages to having a diverse. team. And I used to work in dei research. and there are like it's proven, >> but all of a sudden now I'm sure she's. shocking anything regarding dei. >> Yeah. In the same way that she also.

doesn't know anything about national. security like she said at her debate. >> Yeah. >> I don't speak politician. [laughter]. >> What? Well, you probably should learn. >> Yeah. If you want to be one, >> MAGA, I think we our argument against. that needs to be does it matter because. they all speak Trump. Every last one of. these every single one of them. when push comes to shove. It doesn't. matter what they know. It doesn't matter. if they have a 150 IQ. If Trump says. don't vote that way, they say, "Okay, yes, sir.". >> So lame. It's unmaged living like that.

>> It's unbelievable. But let's talk about. RFK Jr. >> because this this guy. >> here here's a clip. Just play this. >> Uh children with autism are 100 times. more likely to drown than neurotypical. children. We have a responsibility to do. better when an autistic. Sorry about. that. Okay. So, not not only is he sitting.

there lying, then his phone starts. quacking, but here's something that I. just want to say to all of our listeners. and your listeners that are coming over. here to watch you here. This is really dangerous and terrible. for people with autism. The demonization. of people living with autism. There's. all these parents at home right now that. have kids with autism. Basically, this. administration is saying, "If you. vaccinated your kids, you did it. You. did this to them. And then they're going. to drown. And then there's such we have. to eradicate it because these people are.

so terrible." And and it it's it's. really such a a a new form of bigotry. that is being mainstreamed by this. administration. And it's hard enough to. raise a kid, but when you have this. with this quacking phone sitting. there saying that they're going to drown. and all of these things, it's just such. fear-mongering. And to me, it's bigotry. towards people with autism. >> Absolutely. Among all of his serial. killer traits, and they are innumerable. Having a quack alert as your text has.

got to be at the top of the list. That's. insane. Also, his follow-up to that. should have been, and I don't know the. whole conversation, we want to expand. safety measures to ensure that everyone. can swim safely. Like, if you recognize. that that's true about autistic people. if they actually are drowning, the. answer to that is to ensure that there. are more safety measures in place. It's. not to demonize autistic people. I love. autistic people. None of my autistic. friends have ever um strapped a bear to. the top of their car. They have never.

done coke off toilet seats to my. knowledge. Some of them are comedians. So maybe. >> about the castration of the raccoon. penis. >> They've never castrated a raccoon. They've never um had their uh late wife. who wrote in her journal essentially. about all the terrible things he did to. her. He's never made it impossible for. her family to choose where she's buried. None of my autistic friends have done. anything like that. Um he needs to keep. autistic people's name out of his. mouth. >> That's what it's just it's really. >> How is this allowed? so openly and I.

mean with Tim Walls calling us the R. wordiness. >> Yeah. >> Here's where I think it all comes from. In 2016 when Trump ran for president, [snorts]. a lot of observers at the time, Baron. was younger, noticed Baron and his body. movements stemming and twitching and. things. And it was on the internet and. Rosie O'Donnell even said, "I have an. autistic child. I can totally tell that. Baron has autism, too." Of course, Trump. went apeship bananas. But on the trail.

in 2016, my mother called me and she's a. a political junkie like me, left-leaning. liberal, the whole nine, right? And she. really likes to get into the psychology. of politics, my mother. And she called. me and she said, she's from originally. from Dallas, so she has this great. accent. She said, "Jennifer, darling, I. think I figured out this whole thing. Don't you think it's bizarre that this. billionaire businessman from New York. gets on the campaign trail and he drones. on and on but then he starts talking. about the babies and they put all these.

shots in them and it's and then all of a. sudden the baby comes home and the. baby's different. My mom sent me the. YouTube video and sure enough he says. they have this little baby and they put. all these shots in him. They come home. and the baby's kind of reacts. differently. So my mother through her. own personal investigation, you know how. MAGA does their own investigation. >> Sure. Yeah. >> She and and others online did this too. So much so that Melania addressed it in. her book, defended that Baron does not. have autism. But why was Trump in 2016? He's interested in grabbing by the. He's interested in Barack Obama's.

birth certificate. Why does he care. about autism? Why? He doesn't care about. anything unless it personally affects. him. Like, he gives a about. vaccines. Why would he care about this? >> That's a really good point. >> Why would Why would he care? It's such. an outlier from the that he cares. about. it doesn't make him any money to. say it. It doesn't belittle the people. that he likes to belittle. So, it was it. really stuck out to her at the time. Well, the theory goes that Baron has.

autism. Well, if you think about Trump. and his. always talking about I have great genes, he's really into eugenics. He talks he's. a high IQ person because it's genetic. and his uncle was an MIT professor. I. might got the school wrong. and how high. IQ he is and how high IQ his relatives. are. For him to have an autistic child. because he's a malignant narcissist and. malignant narcissists see their children. as extensions of themselves. >> So that's why Ivanka, she's hot. I mean,

I don't like her. She is. I've said. that, too. >> I mean, she's hot. >> and so he's her favorite, you know? So, because that's a total extension of how. he views himself. So, it's like, look at. the creme de la creme of my DNA. So then. if he had an autistic child, how can he. extend that into his narcissism? Because. that is a narcissistic injury. So it. can't be his fault. It can't be his. genes. So it has to be the vaccines. And. so ultimately that's what has led him to.

this relationship with and all of this. is allegedly and all of these are. theories, but all of this is what has. led him to this relationship with RFK. Jr. regarding this, him talking about. putting all these vaccines, what you. just heard, said the same back in. 2016, even during the Republican. primaries, and it always struck my. mother as odd. Like, why does he give a. about that? Well, then you'd see. Baron on tapes and and and and in I just. want to be fair here. Melania has said.

that Baron doesn't have it. She wrote it. in her book. She wrote that it was very. harmful. But I do think it's worthy of. conversation. because Donald Trump is bizarrely. consumed with this. And the irony of the. whole thing is Suzanne, autism doesn't call I mean uh vaccines. don't cause autism. But you know what. does? Old sperm. >> Yep. >> And he was an old man when he.

impregnated her, Melania. and old sperm. is more of a contributing factor. There's never been any link with. vaccines. >> that tracks. >> So that's the tea on that. >> That makes total sense. Especially when. you think of their pure vitriol towards. Tim Walls and Gus Walls, Tim's son. He. doesn't have autism. I don't want to. miss. It's like a learning disorder. He. has some kind of like processing. disorder. I don't remember what it's. called, but how they are so gung-ho on. like freely calling Tim Walls the Rword.

And I think I wonder if Trump sees Tim. Walls proudly and openly loving his son. who does have some kind of, you know, processing disorder and in a way feels. jealous. Kind of like what you were just. saying about how these closeted. Republicans have so much vitriol towards. gay men because they want to live loud. and proud like that. He sees someone who. has a son maybe who exhibits similar. behaviors to someone who has autism and. is angry about that because he could.

never. >> I agree. It could trigger I mean. psychologically it could trigger oh he's. got a son with you know a similar you. know I don't want to say disorder but a. similar some sort of sensory process. whether it's some on the spectrum to. some extent. >> and I I could see that totally. triggering him. I also think that the. the. Tim Walls particularly triggers. Republican men because he's kind of the. whole package. He's a football coach,

but then he was also like, "Yeah, I. don't judge gay people. I mean, I'll be. the, you know, the home room teacher of. the high school gay club. Fine. I don't. care. >> Who cares?" But he's truly what we learn. in American culture through whether it. be Disney films or film and what we. think we're supposed to teach our kids. that you stand up to bullies and you. protect the marginalized. And Tim Walls. lived that. And I just read an article. today that Minnesota is the number one. state in the nation for quality of life.

or something. I'm probably going to get. it wrong, but Minnesota's the number one. state. They're the it's like I'm an. honorary motan in my heart. They were. like the only state that didn't go for. Reagan either time. Like it's a they. it's like a liberal bastion paradise and. that's why they hate Minnesota so much. because runs really well there and. it's a great state. So it's like no. surprise that there's so much attention. on Minnesota because it's like they. don't want it to get out that hey look. this is how it can look when you have.

like a democratic run government and. things are run well. Like it it can go. really well and they don't want people. to know that. So, what are they gonna. do? Call Tim Walls the R-word? Like, it's just so disgust. It's so aborant. I. hate it. >> because that's their whole thing is like. they'll always there'll be people. inevitably in the comment section. calling us men. >> Oh, sure. >> You know, that's just that but that's. all they have. They cannot. >> They're not funny. They're not creative. with your insults. >> Exactly. Like, call me, you know, like, "Girl, you get too much Botox." Guilty.

is charged with no That's the. point. >> I'll own it. >> They're like, "Your forehead's frozen.". And I'm like, "Yeah, it's working as. intended, bitch.". >> To which I say, "Thank you for noticing. it. Very expensive.". >> Yeah, >> Suzanne, I could talk to you forever. Please, next time you come up to New. York, will you just make this a. permanent stop? >> Absolutely. >> Okay. >> I would love that. >> All right. Go follow Mean but True. Obviously, you have to go follow Suzanne. Lambert. All right. Thanks, Suzanne. >> Thank you.

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