IHIP News: Tucker Carlson Makes BOMBSHELL ACCUSATION Against Trump!! FBI FORCED To STOP Probe?!

Welcome to I Hip News. Joining me in. studio in New York City is Touré, my. friend. He is an author of eight books, a veteran, MSNBC, CNN, and BET, and host. of Touré Show News on YouTube. @TouréTube. That's pretty clever, TouréTube. >> How are you? >> I'm great. >> Okay. >> Country's falling apart, we just lost a. war, everything's fabulous. >> [laughter]. >> All right, there's some tea dropping. over on Tucker Carlson's podcast. I.

wanted to run it by you. Okay, Tucker revealed on his podcast. >> I avoid Tucker's podcast on purpose, but. come here to be debriefed on it. Let's. go. >> Yes. All right. Tucker reveals on his. podcast that Dan Bongino said that Trump. stopped the investigation into the. Butler assassination. So, Tucker dropped. a bombshell. Um, and he said that Dan. Bongino, while he was still serving as. FBI Deputy Director, admitted to him.

that Donald Trump himself. ordered the investigation into the 2024. Butler assassination attempt to be shut. down. >> Sure. >> Carlson said that after pressing Bongino. about Thomas Crooks' online presence, Bongino became hysterical on the phone. He was clearly terrified, Carlson said. After a long series of calls and texts, Bongino allegedly told him, "Take it up. with Trump. He's the one who should shut. down the investigation." Carlson made. the exclusive explosive claims during an. appearance on uh.

Mario Mario uh Nawfal's podcast, stating. flatly, "I know that Trump shut down the. investigation into Butler. That is a. fact. Dan Bongino told me when I when he. worked at the FBI.". >> I totally believe it. Um. it's bizarre how little we know about. Thomas Crooks, how little we hear about. him. Trump is the pettiest, most. vengeful person in the world, and yet. the person who tried to shoot him,

allegedly, we never hear about him, and nothing. ever hap- I mean, the Trump I know would. have would talk about him all the time, would basically have him in effigy at. every rally, would make sure to bankrupt. his family. Like, but also, okay, Tucker. Carlson has decided to be a right-wing, not apologist, but antagonist. So, he is. constantly calling out their [ __ ]. right? And and attacking them, and if. somebody uh defects from the.

administration, their first stop is. Tucker Carlson. So, he's outing the. inside of the Trump administration. That's where he wants to be right now. He's not on the left at all. He's not in. the center, but he is a muckraker sort. of on the right, wanting to be a. rabble-rouser and mess And and I believe. that he is like telling the truth, right? As far as he knows it, right? Like, he's like To me, he's like. Marjorie Taylor Greene. Like, they have. they were MAGA, they are MAGA, but.

they're coming into like the reality, right? Like, Marjorie Taylor Greene is. like snapped out of character, and now. she's like, "Look, Trump lied to us. Like, I I know that. I'm I'm sorry that I didn't tell you. before." Right? And like, Tucker is the. same way. >> I think in the case of Marjorie Taylor. Greene and Tucker Carlson, it's. financial Darwinism. They know that. Trump is 80. He's quacking like a duck, like a dementia duck. I mean, he could. drop dead at any minute. You've seen the. muffin top cankle situation that we have. going on, the swollen hands, the.

sausages. It's not good. It is not good, Toure. >> Falling [snorts] asleep in meetings? >> Falling asleep at an NBA finals game, Toure? He fell asleep in the garden. >> They I I I hate to do the tit-for-tat. thing, but they were so hard on Biden. And let's do it. Let's do the. tit-for-tat thing. was old. I get it. But Trumpy is just as old. He is just as. infirm. The Iranians had a psychological.

>> Yes. >> person working cuz like we're dealing. with somebody who is not mentally all. there. And that's not like a diss. Like. how do we deal with this leader who is. not all there? And they are working as. if like he's not all there. How do we. Like this is a You think Putin doesn't. know that? >> Of course they all know it. >> They stop armor doesn't. Netanyahu what my god. >> I mean don't you know? >> god. >> Uh. yeah. So then all right, Cash Patel. next. >> to say I want to you bring up Netanyahu.

I'm I'm going to go off your script. >> Let's do it. I want to. >> Because Iran is saying that Israel will. stop on all fronts. including Lebanon. Originally they said Lebanon and Gaza. And they have I think they have said we. can't get them to agree to not attack in. Gaza. They'll agree in words to not. attack in Lebanon. And then at some. point they'll go back to attacking in. Lebanon. But at least they'll agree to. that in words. They won't agree even.

agree in words to stop in Gaza. That's. insane. >> No, I mean Benjamin Netanyahu is a war. criminal. >> Yes. >> He is. absolutely monstrous person. >> Yes. >> that governs a the country of Israel. that is not a democracy that should not. be our ally in the least bit. They. commit war crimes like you and I are. sitting here chit-chatting. It's. horrific. And Benjamin Netanyahu saw in. Trump a weak man that Iran sees, that.

Putin sees, and he flattered him. >> he asked every president, "Please attack. Iran." And everyone was like, "No, that's not. >> Even George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, the. neocons, Rumsfeld. >> was like, "No, that is not a idea. And. Trump and them were like, let's do it. Right, Marco Rubio was the one who's. like, I don't think this is a good idea, you guys. The rest of them were like, let's freaking do it. >> Yeah. >> But Israel is the most. bellicose nation in that region. I saw.

um. Joe Scarborough thought he was being a. truth teller saying all the other. countries in the region will now fear. what Iran is about to do next because. Iran has won this. uh battle against the United States. The other countries in the region are. not afraid of Iran. They understand that. America powering Israel is their great. problem. >> Right. Shifting gears slightly. Allegedly, this just came out. MS Now is.

reporting that Kash Patel. >> Miz Now. >> WHAT SHE SAY NOW? >> [laughter]. >> WE LOVE HER. SHE'S SO CUTE. SHE'S VERY. SASSY. >> Miz Now just said that Kash Patel has a. slush fund. Pop this up. Uh Kash Patel may have a personal slush. fund of taxpayer dollars to pay loyalist. agents according to Representative Jamie. Raskin. Raskin is demanding documents. from Patel citing claims that $8,000.

payments are made to agents who carry. out unlawful partisan and personal. orders. I mean, just a bunch of dirty cops. >> that and ACAB, but also. $8,000 is all it takes. to get you to sell your soul and go. against what you your oath and all these. sort of I mean, like. I think you're worth more, officer. I. think you could demand more from Kash. Patel who's making an illegal payment to. you who can't How much can he argue? And.

when you guys are doing a drug deal, how. much can he Right, cuz if the cop says, "Hey, you know, you are breaking the law. here." Like, "Well, you are, too, but. you are head of the FBI." Like, you. survive that. This this administration, it's a total kakistocracy. >> What do you make of Kash Patel? Do you. think. >> clown. >> But don't you think he's on the chopping. block? Don't you think Trump's going to. fire him soon? >> I mean, I would imagine so. I mean, you know, I have no idea because they'd.

not running this on some basic normal. meritocratic. grounds, right? You know, in a normal. administration, if you make a big. mistake, then they let you go, right? You also see a lot of churn because it's. very hard to work in the White House, right? Left or right, D or R, you're. really not away from your family a lot. It's a very difficult job. Everybody. I've ever talked to working in the White. House that you can only do it for a. certain amount of time and then you're. just going to probably burn out. But I. mean, I I don't believe that Trump is.

working on some normal leader. calculus where it's like, oh, well, Jen. is not doing the job well, so we'll get. rid of her. I mean, our standard of what. Kash Patel should be doing is not. Trump's standard. >> Yeah. >> Whatever it is that we think the FBI. director should be doing, that's not. what he's doing. >> Yeah. >> And be you know, so. >> Okay. >> Go chug a beer. >> All right. So you saw the UFC. >> I saw I saw that they did it. I did not.

watch. >> Okay, I didn't either, but I watched the. highlights. >> I I part of me was like, it is gross to. do UFC on the White House lawn. And then. I was like, am I just being. traditionalist in that in the future. they'll be like, what was the big deal? >> About the UFC? >> Yeah, like. I'm sorry. Like if if if a if a. president in the '60s or the '50s when. boxing was like gigantic in America was. like, we're going to do a heavyweight. fight on the White House lawn cuz.

everybody in America likes boxing. UFC. is not there, but is it possible that. I'm just being like traditionalist and. like, "Yeah, that's gross.". >> It's white trash. It's gross. It It just. is. The These are. >> But, should And this is Should And I. mean, the exclusion is a larger problem, right? The exclusion of black culture, brown culture, gay culture. But, should. [snorts] white trash have their moment. in a White House culture world? Like.

>> No. >> [laughter]. >> Absolutely not. White trash has been on display for a. really [ __ ] long time, Torae. >> No, white elitism has been on display. >> trash. You saw the Dukes of Hazzard. You. saw. >> know, but not in a White House context. >> Beverly Hillbillies. >> No, I know. >> You saw Uncle. Uncle Chad, Jethro. >> I know Duck Dynasty. [laughter]. I know. But, not in a Not in a White House. level. Not Not. >> Here's the thing. If If Barack Obama had.

NBA players out there, they would lose. their [ __ ] mind if he did that. These. are the people that lecture us about the. dignity of the office. Uh Zelenskyy came. in and he didn't have on a suit. And now. they've got lubricated muscle men. prancing around prancing around the. White House in their goddamn panties. >> lubricated muscle men in the White. House. >> drinks. This is a four. pay-per-view thing situation. Everything.

about this from top to bottom is. unpresidential. It is white trash. Should white trash boys be banned from. the White House? Yes. Call this. white-on-white crime. But, I have had. it, Torae. I've had it from top to. bottom. >> I don't have, obviously, any uh. white trash people in my. world. Like, they're not in my family. Like, I. don't talk to them. Like, I don't. encounter them. I don't know where any. trailer parks are. >> What does that feel like? >> Well, >> [laughter]. >> I can't describe the absence, but I'm.

sure that that that is part of your. world. >> It is. >> And you have made this gigantic thing. about like you stand up for black and. brown people, for gay people. >> Yeah. >> Do you get Do you have a problem with. some of the white people in your life. because of the stands that you are. taking? >> Like you, I do not have um people in my. life that are. anti uh LGBTQ or engage in anti-black. racism. However, I lived in Oklahoma.

City for 50 years and it's unavoidable. >> Right. >> You the racism, the transphobia, the. homophobia is so ubiquitous. So, I'll. give you just a prime example. Um when. Barack Obama was president, somebody was. at my house and referred to Air Force. One as Afro One. This isn't. >> A white person? >> A white person. >> Wait, what was the context? >> Just Oh, now we can call Air Force One. Afro One. >> And this is a group of white people? >> White woman. >> A what What if a group of white women. are like talking socially?

>> Racist [ __ ] yeah. >> And she just says, "We can call it Afro. One.". >> Yeah. >> And everybody laughs. >> Yeah, thought it was a real knee. slapper. And then. >> What did you But what did Did you say? >> I told the girl to get stand up and get. the [ __ ] out of my house. >> You did? >> Yeah. >> And what happened? >> She got you're so Not everybody's a. Democrat, Jennifer. >> That's okay. >> And I'm just like that's fine. You just. can't be a racist in my house. Get up. and get the [ __ ] out. >> But what But the other people who. laughed, what did they not say, "Oh, Jen's so uptight. Jen's so sensitive.".

>> I know behind my back they've all said, "And it's I'm fine with that." I'm fine. being the skunk at the garden party. >> Really? >> I'm completely fine with it. Because. these a lot of these white women in red. states I'll give you another example. I. was playing pickleball with these people. and in our. >> Gross. >> Shut the [ __ ] up, Toure. You're such an. elitist snob. >> No, but tennis No, but tennis player. It's a real sport. >> I play tennis as well, but I was playing. pickleball. I was doing white trash [ __ ]. in Oklahoma, okay? I can. I have no white trash friends. My name.

is Terrell. >> I don't. Where would I meet them? Is. there a Tinder for white trash friends? >> [laughter]. >> Okay, so anyway, I'm playing pickleball. And in the pickleball lots of lesbians. play pickleball and they're really quite. good at it, right? And so. these women, I know that they triple. Trump. I know and they you know, they. let you know that that like Fox News. talking points come out. But this one. lady, do you remember that person that. worked for Joe Biden that was trans? Um. I think it was like a secretary of.

transportation or. >> Okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Was she Maryland. or was she Midwest? >> Yeah, something like that. Anyway, she. shows me this lady shows me this image. and of this trans person that worked for. Joe Biden and wanted to like laugh about. it. Like, look, this trans person looks. like and it was something and I said, that's so mean. And I just snapped her. up. I was like, that's so mean. I said, we play pickleball with all these. lesbians. They bring so much joy into. our life and into our game. And I know. you sit around and watch Fox and I know.

you voted for Trump, but that's just I. don't want to participate in this. laughing, punching down at trans people. I don't like that. And her she's like, well, I mean, I'm an independent and I. just don't like to talk about politics. I'm like, you're the one that just. You're just a transphobe [ __ ] You know, like. >> White people don't Yeah, we know this. sociologically. Don't usually police. other white people. Like in an all white. space, if somebody says something. racist, generally. almost always, nobody will say anything. >> Yep. I think there have been times in my life. where I haven't, for sure.

Um. and I regret that. >> Yeah. >> It it's um when you grow up in the South. and Oklahoma people will say it's not. the South, but culturally it is. >> Sure. >> It's very culturally it's a Bible Belt. state and and it wasn't a part of the. historic South, but if you look at the. Tulsa race riots. >> Yeah. >> and you know, Mark Tulsa savagery, which. by the way, I didn't learn about in. school in Oklahoma public schools. >> yeah. >> But, um. it it it's so ubiquitous that experience. of being a white person and hearing. racist [ __ ] that there've been a lot of.

times where I've kind of And then, the. person would leave, and I'd be like, "God, that was kind of [ __ ] up." But, I would say probably the last since. Trump, I'm a lot more confrontational. about it, and I kind of enjoy it. >> Yeah. >> I kind of enjoy getting in their ass. >> It happens for me as well, in that. sometimes white people say things that. are ignorant. >> Yeah. >> They don't say overtly racist things. around me, right? Obviously. But, they. may say unwittingly racist things, right? And then, it's like.

do I educate? Do I challenge the person? Do I point out what they said that may. offend them? I may lose the opportunity. to talk to them or work with them. They. may think, "He's such a jerk." I did I. do recall once. but basically pointing out somebody's. racism in a work meeting. And. everybody just stopped paying attention. It was like, "Oh, Torrey's on his [ __ ].

again." And I'm like, "Are you [ __ ] kidding me?" And like, yeah. So, it's it's a it's it's a. struggle for me as well. >> I Here's the thing, I want to know. Like, I want. >> You want to know what? That they're. racist? >> No, if I am. saying things from a white experience. lens that's insensitive. Because. sometimes something's so normal for us. Like, I went The high school I went to, Torrey, had 2,000 people in it in the. suburbs of Oklahoma City, maybe six.

black people. >> Yeah. >> And this is a I'm not a private school, it's a public school, a public high. [clears throat] school. >> And so, I want I want to know if I say. something that is wrong or, you know, extraordinarily out of touch with my. white experience. >> than most white people. You're aware and you're opening. >> I'm white trash? >> No, you're. >> [laughter]. >> definitely not. You're an interior. designer. Have you shown them what this. whole room looks like? >> No, I need to do a tour. >> This room is really beautiful. This is.

the most beautiful recording studio I. have ever been in with one exception was. the room that Beyoncé was recording in. >> Uh, Queen B. >> Name drop. >> [laughter]. >> Let me ask you this. So, I I've been. thinking about this a lot. So, I go. after like Hakeem Jeffries and Cory. Booker, but I also go after Chuck Schumer and. you know, it doesn't matter. And then. some. black political activists online have. pointed out the optics of me, a white.

woman, calling out Cory Booker on his. stance for Israel or calling out Hakeem. Jeffries. And when I see it, when I see. those comments, it bothers me. Like the. I understand what they're saying. What. is your take on that? >> Hakeem, for one, not fair because he is. essentially the leader of the Democratic. Party in the House. So, it's not like. you're critiquing, you know, somebody. down the line who's black and like, why. is this Like, no, of course, if we're.

talking about politics, we're going to. have to be critical of the leader of the. Democratic Party in the House. Um. there's not I mean, you know, Cory is. not the leader, but I would think any I. mean, at this point anybody. >> On the United States Senator. >> Yeah. >> You know. >> I mean, look, this is. the critique of you is problematic in. that conversation because this is the. critical fissure in the Democratic Party. right now. Most Democratic voters are.

pro-Palestinian and have more sympathy. for Palestine, want there to be a. two-state solution, want there to be. far less to no aid to Israel, at least. offensive military aid. The leadership of the Democratic Party. remains extremely pro-Israel. >> Mhm. >> So, they are asking us to vote for and. accept things that we don't accept. And. this is a voting issue for me. I could. not vote for somebody who won't call it. a genocide. Period.

>> And that's what I got into with Cory. Booker. I asked him, "Is Benjamin. Netanyahu a war criminal?" He wouldn't. answer the question. >> I mean, if you can't say it's a. genocide, then then you are completely. compromised. AIPAC is holding you back, and you can't even say the truth. I. mean, that is just the truth. And and. and in America, right? Cuz I'm married. to a Lebanese woman, like a. first-generation immigrant, right? So, I. have Lebanese family over there right. now. We call it genocide now after what.

happened after October uh 7th. It's been a genocide for a long time. It's just now Americans are Some. Americans, many Americans are willing to. say that. But, like, this has been an. attempt to. get rid of these people by any means. necessary. Can we make them move? Let's do that. But, if we make them fear. for their lives, and then they're going. to move, then great. This has been the. idea for a long, long time.

>> Yeah. Yeah, I just I feel like right now. I understand the optics of what some of. the commenters say, but I feel like if. Cory Booker. is a senator, and Chuck Schumer is a. senator, and I have the same critique. for both of them. You're a big You're in. the big boy seat. You're You're in the. seat where you get criticized, and we. have to hold our politicians. >> I would reject the notion that you can't. critique Cory Booker cuz you're white. and he's black. That's ridiculous. You're talking politics. He's a major. senator.

>> Yeah. All right, let me ask you I'm going to. go off script, too. I want to ask you uh. final question. >> And then I get to ask you a question. >> I want you to ask me. I like that. I. like to flip the script. The Voting. Rights Act has been gutted. And. a couple of big things have happened. with the Supreme Court. The first one. was Roe v. Wade. And um. that happened and then the states like. the state that I'm from, that women have. no rights there. A rapist has more. rights than a rape victim in Oklahoma. Guns have more rights than a woman in.

Oklahoma. All in the name of Jesus. White trash. >> politics, baby. >> That's some white [laughter] trash [ __ ]. But anyway, uh and now the Voting Rights. Act. And these are massive massive. things and I feel like they happened and. we're all like, uh. and then now we just go on. And they're talking about redistricting. Georgia again now for 2028 and they're. really erasing black representation. >> Yeah. >> How do you see [clears throat]. us aligning to fight this fight.

for. black Americans? >> Uh you know, black history is. uh. forward and back. Forward and back. We. do not We have not moved forward into. justice. We have taken steps forward and. then back. We get uh. like say freed from slavery and then you. have uh. the nadir, right? We We have. reconstruction and then they burn down. our cities, right? We get this you know, we get the right to vote and then they.

take the right to vote away in de facto. ways, right? And then So it's it's been. for some steps forward and then back. Step forward and step back. This is. definitely a step back period where we. are losing rights. I mean, all the. things you said, plus you think about. the attack on affirmative action, the. continued attack on affirmative action, the attack on. uh critical race theory, the attack on. just teaching black history in college, which I was a black history major. It. was It was AfAm uh African American.

studies and African. um and it was so important to my sense. of self to understanding the history of. how I got here, right? Within America. and before America. It is it is. deeply important to your self-esteem to. understand how you as a as your gender, your race, your nationality, like how. did you who came before you for you to. be here today? Like it is incredibly.

important and and Emory University. helped me get that. So taking that away from people is a. deep is a deep problem. This is a stepping back moment and I. America does go back and forth D to R D. to R. So I imagine that we're going to. have a correction in the other way at. some point hopefully soon the next two. to six years where you start to see like. okay now the pendulum is re-swinging. that somehow the the concept of woke has.

become. either horrific, right? And like hated. by part of the country or it's kind of. like a joke to the rest of the country, right? Like even as liberals we'd be. like oh you're so woke and I'm like are. we making fun of ourselves when we do. that? I want to bring woke back. I mean. I think just just being empathetic. toward people who are not you. That's. all that wokeness means to me that like. I am aware of some of the challenges you. have as a woman even though I'm not a. woman, right? Because I have listened, I.

have read, right? I mean like you know, there's challenges that other people. have that you. >> You heard you heard ABOUT OUR PERIODS. >> [laughter]. [laughter]. >> WOW, EVERY EVERY MONTH? >> Every month, every 28 days. No, you can get like on the pill and. stuff like that. >> So so the last time I saw you was at. this fabulous Joy Reid event where she. does this amazing it's like a.

intellectual variety show. >> Yes. >> Where she comes up and she talks, she. tells some jokes, she says something. smart, and then Jen Welch comes and sits. with her for 5 minutes, and then there's. a comedian, and then Don Lemon and Sunny. Hostin sits out with her, and then I sat. with her. Um but it was like 95%. black women and a few black men and Jen. Welch. >> It was. >> The one piece of rye bread. >> cracker. >> [laughter].

>> And I wonder. how that feels for you because 99.9%. of your life as a white person, you are. in the dominant race in the room. Whatever room you go into, it's. incredibly rare for you to go into a. room where you are not and you are. overwhelmed 99 to one. >> Mhm. >> How does that feel? >> So, I love it. And I love it a lot. And. I my youngest son, Roman, played AAU. basketball. And he played on an.

all-black team. And they traveled everywhere. And they. were ranked at one point number one in. the country. >> Oh, [ __ ]. >> Yeah, they were [ __ ] serious. >> He start? >> Yeah. >> Oh, [ __ ] What position? He's a guard? >> Yeah, he's a guard. And so, shout out to. Steven Alexander and um AET, y'all all. of y'all in Oklahoma City know Steven. Alexander, but I. traveled with all of these fabulous. black women, these black moms, and for. years, for 10 11 years. And I these.

women we still text all the time, we're. still great friends. I mean, the kids. have all graduated from high school now, but I um firmly believe that if a lot of. white people had more experiences, multicultural experiences, it's better. Um that's why New York is so awesome. >> to give up that sense of power though, right? >> I can see for a lot of. >> mediocre white people that it could be. very difficult because. >> I don't want to I don't even want to. judge them. You spend your entire life.

in moments where you never even think. about race because it's always whiteness. is in charge in the room. And then you. go into a room like that and you're like. oh [ __ ] And it takes a lot of humility. to accept like wow, this is a super. black space and I need to get in where I. fit in. >> Let me just say something that I've. observed and I don't know, maybe there's. science out there that can back this up. So, white spaces, all white spaces are. very reserved. Um people are more.

uh aware of what they do. When you get. around a room full of black people, I. mean it's just it is go, it is celebrate. out of [ __ ] to give. Likewise, when I. went to college, I hung out with a lot. of gay men because I was an atheist, raised an atheist in the Bible Belt. So, all the Bible thumpers were after me. I. was on all the prayer warrior list. All. the gay guys the Bible thumpers were. after them. So, I hung out with them all. the time in college versus the Bible. study girls. And the same thing with the.

gay men. They were just liberated, out. of [ __ ] to give. They they didn't have. a filter. And there was there's. something to be said for a marginalized. group of people and the emotional depth. that requires them to reconcile. And. there is a a more auth- authentic group. This is just my observation. >> Yeah. >> From the LGBTQ+ community to my AAU. circles to Joy Reid show. And being the. only white hetero cis person in those.

spaces, white people are wound up like cheap. clocks. They are not fun. They care so much about what everybody. thinks about them. I it it's just those are my. observations. >> very reserved. >> Yes, and boring. >> I did learn have to learn because I went. to private school, so I was quite often. the only black person in the room like. throughout my childhood. And I. definitely had to learn to dial it back. cuz you come in with all this energy and.

you're like, "I'm just That's just who I. am. That's just where we come from. That's just how it is in my house." And. the white people were like, "Whoa, you. are so much.". >> Yeah. >> And they might be like, "It's fun. It's. funny." But others are like, "Whoa." And. like, you have to learn how to modulate. that to get along with them. >> Yeah. I mean, it's. definitely 100%, especially in the Bible. Belt, it's even worse. Here in New York, the white people are cooler. They're. just a lot cooler because on the streets. of New York, they've had to cooperate. I.

think the streets of New York and the. transportation are an equalizer. You. know, you see all different people, all. walks of life, all socioeconomic. Nobody. gives a [ __ ] You have to You're just. going from point A to point B. But in. like suburban white America, it's tough. I mean, it's some tough. stuff. It really is. >> [laughter]. >> When I encounter racism in New York, I. am surprised cuz I didn't expect it cuz. I assumed people are liberal. People are.

thoughtful. They're not going to say. dumb [ __ ] And then when they do, I'm. like I find myself quite often going. like Like I was so surprised by it that. I don't even remember realize what I. should say until later, right? Like a. spray to scalia. Like I leave the room. and I'm like, "I should have said this. I can't believe the person said. something so dumb.". >> What's an example? >> Oh my god, I knew you were going to say. that. Let's see. This is a fairly. obvious example. I used this in a book. that I did. about race. We were. a table of black men and we were the.

only black people in the restaurant. And. there was a white guy with a big afro. like afro wig on like the other side of. the room. And I just knew he was going. to come over. And eventually he came over and he was. drunk and he put his hands around two of. the guys and said, "I can't believe they let you guys in. here.". Hand to God. There were like six men. there and um.

and we all like looked at each other. like, "Surely this white man must belong. to somebody. Like he's Is he yours?". Because cuz no stranger with he must. know somebody at the table. And like it. was like we were looking like, "Is he. yours? Is he yours?" And when nobody was. like waiting at the door. And we But. then we like ignored him. Cuz we didn't. get like we could have gotten furious. It was just like, "Shh. Go away.". >> Yeah. >> But I mean, you know, people's People. I've been trying to think about some.

Oh, you know, somebody once said this is. professional. When I was starting to. come up, I was pushing this magazine to. give me a contract, right? So we're not. freelance anymore, now we're like. married and I'm going to write for you. all the time. And he said he said, "We. know you can write about Run-DMC. Could. you write about Eric Clapton?". Which I thought was a particularly. terrible example because Eric Clapton. comes from the blues. He is absolutely a. white man doing black music. So that.

example of all, if you had like a purely. purely white example and there is no. There's no music that is not come from. whiteness. But like he is a white man. who is doing black music. And and when. you get in a moment like that, somebody's saying like that, it's. difficult. You You can't convince them. in the room. They have already decided. you can't do this because you're black. You can't do this because you're a. woman. My wife and I play backgammon. very seriously. We do We just started. getting into this league, right? So we.

show up at a bar. We're The first season. we were subs, right? So we So if your. team was out one or two people, you call. us and we'll come play. So, it always the men assume she can't play. So, you walk in the room assuming. she's not very good. He can't do the. thing. All right? And you can't just. defeat that in the mind of some straight. white man just easily and quickly. >> Yeah. Well, Touré, this has been so fun. >> Thank you.

>> to have you back in studio again because. you're just we're both in New York City. now. >> Hell, yeah. Let's do that. >> fun. And listener, go follow Tell them, Touré Tube. >> Touré Tube, Touré Show News. I'm on. there almost every day. I'm doing. essays, right? You're doing like. conversations and news and segments. You're This is like a TV show, right? I. do like an essay on TV. >> Entertainment. >> Yes. Hell, yeah. >> educating. >> Hell, well, I mean, you know, >> I need it. I love to learn. Yeah, educainment. I love that. All right, go.

follow my friend Touré. Thanks, everyone. >> [music].