IHIP News: 🚨 Trump’s PARANOIA Spins OUT OF CONTROL as He HUNKERS Down in WH!

Okay, joining me today in studio is Mike. Nellis, a Democratic strategist and host. of endless urgency on Substack and. YouTube. It does feel like an endless. urgency. >> Yeah. Yep, every single day. Yeah, I had. a guest on one time and I said, "What. have you had it with?" Monét X Change, very famous drag queen. And she said, "I've had it with living in. unprecedented times. I want to live in. precedented times again." Okay, you. brought to my attention a video of Jeff.

Bezos just this morning on the news. This is stunning. Let's play the clip. It's insane. What do you think? I think. he has I'm comparing him to his first. term. Yeah. And I think he. [clears throat] is a a more mature and. more disciplined version of himself than. he was in his first term. And you know, it it. Okay, Mike. I don't know. Where do I start? Like Jeff Bezos looks. more more like Pitbull every day. So, he's talking like him too now, it seems. like. I What discipline is he seeing.

from the President of the United States? >> Maturity? Right. I don't understand. I. mean, that is just gaslighting. And also, I think it's like. this denial that he must have, like his. whole reputation, Jeff Bezos. Yeah, you. won in capitalism. Bravo. Good job, Jeff. You did a great job. You launched. five women into outer space for 30. seconds. Attaboy. You're not getting. Gayle King in the space. Really good job. there. But nobody likes him. Nobody.

likes him. And he has an opportunity to. leave his imprint on this world. And he. has chosen to fund and nurture and. coddle fascism. Fascism that kills. people and is killing our country. >> Right. Also, he can squeeze out like a. little bit more money for Amazon and for. himself. Like I just don't How much is. enough for these guys where they're not. going to debase themselves like this? And I don't know if you've seen this, but Netflix has a new documentary up on. Teddy Roosevelt. And I was watching and. they were talking about Teddy. Roosevelt's father who was very wealthy. man here in in New York City and he was.

a philanthropist. Like that was what his. job was. His job was I have all this. money, I did all this business and I'm. just going to give it away and help the. unfortunate. And I'm like, where are the. philanthropists in the billionaire. class? Like where are they? We have. Melinda Gates and that's about it. Like. what is. >> Well, and the ex-wife of Jeff Bezos, MacKenzie Scott Bezos, cannot spend. money quick enough. >> Right. donating it to help marginalized. people. Yep. I mean, she is spending. money hand over fist fist. Meals on. Wheels, HBCUs. and on and the Trevor Martin project and.

on and on and on. And she doesn't want. to be on TV. Right. She's just doing. this because she can't get rid of the. money quick enough. Um but the majority. of them, I agree. This group of. billionaires is so appalling and I. believe they are just like in a complete. state of psychosis. Okay, let's get on. to this. So, the person that Jeff Bezos. debases himself for is Donald Trump. >> Yep. Objectively embarrassing, incompetent, cognitive decline, mental.

illness, etc. He is laser-focused on his ballroom. Mhm. And as he talks about it, I say. he's in his death bed confession era. He cannot tell he cannot shut up. And so. now he's saying, oh it's going to have a. hospital. It's going to have. military. It's going to have all of this. stuff. And the more he talks, the more. you realize, oh he has PTSD from Marine. One picking him up in 2020. And he is doing everything in his power. to avoid that. He wants to hunker down.

and die in this ballroom, in my opinion. Let's play the clip. Building a. hospital. They're building it to military. hospital. They're building a uh. all sorts of research facilities, also. meeting rooms and rooms that go hand in. hand for the military. >> [laughter]. >> Using the ballroom. >> It's amazing how his hair is the same. color as the. as the sky. It's. It's crazy. So, what do you think? I. mean, do you think this is his. his bunker, [clears throat] Hitler-style. bunker, where he's just going to go down.

there and that's going to be the end of. it? Man, I I don't know, but I I do. think he's like obsessed with his. legacy. Like, I think he knows that he's. not that far away from death. Like, one. way or another, either he's dying from. something right now or in the next 10. years he's just going to die cuz of an. actuarial table, right? And I think he. is like, "I got to build the Ark to. Trump. I got to build this ballroom. I. got to do this and that." And he's such. a like old-school rich person. Like, Jeff Bezos, for all the criticism that. we have of him and it's legit, he's not. building like giant monuments to himself. in the sky, right? Like, that's kind of. like an old like turn of the century. first gilded age kind of thing to do.

He's obsessed with building these. things. So, I think he just wants to. like build this ballroom, make it gaudy. and ugly on taxpayer dime now, by the. way, a billion dollars, according to the. Senate Republicans, what we need to. spend. So, I think he wants that so that. we can't erase him when he's gone cuz he. knows he's unpopular. He's the worst. president in American history by a mile. So, I had a a scholar um that studies. dictators and autocrats, Ruth Ben-Ghiat, on my show. And she said this is a feature of. autocrats, a psychological feature, that. they fixate on building a safe space.

because they operate from a default. setting of fear. The number one thing. that motivates him is fear and. accountability. And so, he is. laser-focused on building this ballroom, and the more details that he reveals, the more it it it appears like he is. building this On one of the clips, he. talks about if a drone hits it, the. drone will drone will just bounce right. off of it, and it's going to have a. hospital, and what he was saying, that. research facilities, and all of this. stuff. And so, I'm fearful that this is.

cuz he's more focused on this ballroom. than anything. Um I think the Washington. Post did a study, and he has mentioned. the ballroom more than any other subject. since it came up by a long shot. And so, I I that Ruth Ben-Ghiat is probably. right that he is just laser. focused on getting to his safe space cuz. he has so much PTSD from Joe Biden. beating his ass. >> Yeah, well, he's so he's so paranoid and. it it same thing goes back to like his. food choices. Like everybody makes fun. of him for eating McDonald's and.

filet-o-fishes and all that, but the. reason he eats McDonald's is because he. he thinks it's less likely to be. poisoned if he gets it from a fast food. joint. And like there was a my father. was a former FBI agent and one friend of. his did security for Trump when he went. through Omaha, Nebraska during the first. campaign in 2016. And apparently they. had to go get him like Burger King and. like other stuff and he was talking. about how I'll only eat this stuff. because it's not going to be poisoned. It comes in the wrapper. They can't get. anything through the wrapper. And I'm. like, what are you talking? >> [laughter]. >> He's a billionaire. He should be able to. have like a chef that just follows him. everywhere. Like I just don't I don't.

get it. Okay, now let's talk about a lot. of people. claim that they voted for Trump because. of inflation and for economic reasons. And um he was recently asked about. Americans struggling with rising gas. prices. Let's play the clips. See a. problem? And this is peanuts. And I appreciate. everybody putting up with it for a. little while. It won't be much longer, but uh you're going to have And frankly, there is so much oil out there. One of. the things that.

What's your take on that? Peanuts? >> I mean peanuts. And well, they keep. saying it's short-term pain, right? It's. the same thing they said about the. tariffs a year ago. They're going to be. a little bit short-term pain, but then. we're going to bring back all these. manufacturing jobs and it's going to be. amazing. They always say we're we're 3. weeks or 3 months away from the golden. age of America or whatever, but he's. so disconnected from the day-to-day. lives of the average American and he got. elected. Obviously there's a ton of. racism and sexism that plays a role in. the MAGA movement. I'm not going to. pretend like it's not there. But the. people in the middle who are just. getting killed in this economy and I. don't think the economy was that strong.

under Biden. Now I think there were a. lot of factors into that and he had. dealt with a lot of it and it was. getting better. Trump came in and poured. gasoline all over it, but what were the. promises he made in that campaign? Everything's going to get less less on. day one. I'm not going to launch another. forever war and send your sons and. daughters to go die in the Middle East. He's broken both those promises. And. then when people go, "Hey, you lied to. me and I'm angry about that and I don't. like paying $6 a gallon for gasoline.". He goes, "I don't care. I don't care. about your finances because Iran can't. have a nuke." Which Tulsi Gabbard says. that Iran is nowhere near having a nuke. She's inside his own administration. So, it's it's embarrassing and it's why.

they're going to get creamed in the. midterms. They're going to learn the. same lesson a lot of the establishment. wing of my party had to learn in 2024 is. you can't gaslight people into believing. that the economy is strong when they. can't pay their bills. Right. And I think if we consider like. every the majority of Americans have. been poor at some point some stage in. their life. And I think about the time. when I was a young mother, my husband. was in rehab. I mean, we were really. struggling financially. And if I had to. go to the pump to buy gas and it was, you know, what used to be $60 is now.

$120. That is debilitating. That is very, very. paralyzing. And so, Donald Trump. exclusively doesn't understand like. remember when he said groceries, it's an. old-fashioned word cuz he's never been. to the grocery store. I I doubt he has ever pumped gasoline. into a car. >> No. No, I don't even think he knows how. it works. He probably assumes it's like. the movies where there's somebody who. pumps your gas for you like in Tommy Boy. or something like that. It's just. it's it's embarrassing and and you're. right. Like every economic pain that he.

creates is a daily indignity for the. average American, right? I Imagine. you're sitting at home and you're trying. to work with your partner to balance. your your your checkbook so you can have. enough to put away for retirement and. send your kids to college, to pay for. your mortgage. It's just a daily. indignity on and on and you turn on the. TV and the president's like, "I don't. give a damn about you. I don't care.". Like that's just got to suck. At least. Democrats like we're we're not perfect. and then I mean, I know we're going to. talk about this in a bit, but like at. least Democrats give a give a about. other people. At least we try to. There's no question that I lived in a. red state for 50 years. >> Oklahoma, right?

>> Yeah. I grew up in Nebraska. Oh, yeah. >> Far away. So, Okla- I mean, so. Republican super majorities are. incredibly damaging. I saw it firsthand. We had a Democratic governor, Brad. Henry, in the early 2000s, education was. ranked 17th. Since then, Republican supermajorities. across the board, the entire state, Oklahoma's ranked 50th Yep. in. education, 50th. So, Republican. policies, I say this over and over. again, Republican policies are an. anti-family death cult. 100%. >> They have been lying about it for. decades. Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush,

the smart Bush, all of them went into. rural America and said, "Wealth will. trickle down and we are compassionate. conservatives." All of it was total. The Republican Party are. pathological liars, which, honestly, a. lot of people are upset that Massie. lost. Mhm. I'm not. Okay. I'm glad that. he lost because. voting with Trump 91% of the time. is not good enough for me. And if the.

Republican Party is going to be crazy, just let the freak flag fly. Get all of. them crazy in there, and I am not going. to give a participation trophy to. somebody who says pedophilia is wrong. That should be a default setting. I am. not going to allow a Liz Cheney, who lied, looked in the camera and lied. to Americans and said, "These uh. fourth-term abortions are so um. dangerous. They are babies are being. born and they're being killed." Because.

I live in a state where there's a total. abortion ban, and I think everybody's. like, "Oh, Kamala only campaigned with. Liz Cheney one day.". I felt that. I felt that because. I remembered when Liz Cheney looked in. the camera and lied, and those lies are. not good enough for the American people. Yeah. And so, I I I appreciate Thomas. Massie's honesty on some things, but I. disagree with Barack Obama. I don't want. a strong Republican Party. I want the. Republican Party to be defeated. All.

they have done is drive drove up. deficits, started wars, and caused pain. to the American worker and created this. wealth disparity at a much higher rate. than Democrats have. >> Yeah, I mean, I I broadly agree with you. on that, right? Like, I want I want to. have that idealistic view of American. politics where there can be like a great. debate between the Democratic Party and. the Republican Party. When I was I was. 18, I dropped out of college to go work. for Barack Obama. That's what I believed. was happening. >> him. >> That's great. He's an amazing president. Like, he's a good human being, but like, he's also the same guy in 2012 who said,

"Well, after I win the presidential. election, the fever's going to break and. the Republicans are going to start. working with us." And like, the. infection has gotten significantly worse. over the 20 years, and. it's bad. And I think Democrats, this is. why my Substack is called Endless. Urgency. Is I want the same endless. urgency that I see from the Trump. administration to use power to help. people. I'm tired of watching Trump. every single day come up with like 50. ways to drive me crazy and put money in. his back pocket. Why don't we use power. that way to make sure people don't go. bankrupt when they get sick? And by the. way, to save our democracy, which. Democrats love to just shout from the. rafters about saving democracy, but they.

don't have a plan to do it. They're. uncomfortable with getting rid of the. filibuster. They're uncomfortable with. making DC a state. They're uncomfortable. with tackling big money and corporate. money in our politics. >> Supreme Court. >> Supreme Court. Like, we're going to have. to. pack the Supreme Court, or we're going. to have to get lucky and wait for them. to die and hope that we have control of. the Senate and the presidency in the. process. Like, >> Which is insane. >> Which is insane. But But you know what? They're being incredibly arrogant right. now. None of the Supreme Court justices. are retiring this year. And if Democrats. pick up the Senate in November, with and. we have to do it, by the way, with what. I call a Fetterman-proof Senate. majority. So, we have to have 52. Democratic Senate seats, otherwise. Fetterman is going to us every.

chance he gets. >> right. Yeah. No, you're so right about. that. Okay, and then let's discuss J.D. Vance. This is really interesting. >> favorite politician ever. Right. I think. that J.D. Vance is America's biggest. prostitute. He Don't insult the. prostitutes. >> It totally is, but he's changed his name. three times, changed his religion three. times, absolute nihilist to his core, believes in absolutely nothing, was. purchased by some of the worst people on. the planet, uh Peter Thiel and others, and he was placed into Trump's orbit.

because they purchased him, and they. purchased Trump to do it. Trump has been. rap Vance every chance he can. get, and I can't get enough of It's. great. It's hilarious. >> Broad Tsar. It's great. >> It's so good. It's so good. Okay, so. here is watch this clip of J.D. Vance. He's so bad politically. Play the clip. times that say no kings. They are very, very insistent that we not have kings. And then King Charles comes to the. uh the the congressional chamber, and. these guys break out in rapturous.

applause. So, maybe they don't care so. much about kings as they pretend that. they do. Maybe they just don't like the. agenda that we're implementing that's. actually making American workers and. American families safe and prosperous. again. I feel dumber for having listened to. that. It's so dumb. I think that I'm. dumber for listening to that. >> I want you to imagine him in the morning. applying his eyeliner and practicing. that line. >> [laughter]. >> Cuz he thought he had it. He was like, I. got the Democrats. I got them real good. today. Oh my god, that is so funny because you.

know what? I can imagine it. Yeah. >> I can see him doing that. I think that. J.D. Vance uh. I cannot wait. I hope he's the nominee. Oh, me, too. I want him to be the. nominee. I want to watch him lose. I. want to watch him face plant. I want to. ridicule him. I want to ridicule the. donors that have bought him cuz here's. the thing. When you think about Bezos. and Peter Thiel and Elon Musk, these. guys are the biggest bunch of. They want to control politics, but they.

won't put their name on the ballot and. run. Right. Right. And and you know. what? Say what you will about Trump, but. at least he put his name on the ballot. >> He did. >> there's courage in that, right? I give. props to anybody that'll do that cuz you. put your whole life on the line for it. But but Vance is just such an. exceptional weasel. He represents. literally everything that's wrong with. American politics. It's part of the. reason why and I get yelled at online. about this. I bet people in the comments. are going to flame me for it and I love. you guys for it, but I I don't support. getting rid of Trump on the 25th. Amendment. I don't support impeaching. Trump and it's because I don't want JD. Vance to be president of the United. States. Trump is a disaster.

>> That's such a good point. >> you if you think that Peter Thiel and. Palantir don't have enough power in the. federal government, like then JD Vance. is your candidate cuz Peter Thiel has. some kind of master plan to defeat or. ascend the Antichrist into America. Like. I don't really understand what he's. doing, but the guy's crazy. I don't want. him to have any more influence, so I. think the only thing saving us from. something worse is Donald Trump right. now and his vanity. I you know, you. bring up such a good point because. impulsively and short-sightedly, I. think, "Okay, he needs to be removed.".

Or he needs to drop dead. And then I'm. not playing the tape through because I. want that just immediate discomfort. gone. And I think about the cult. completely falling apart, but you're. right. They placed. JD Vance as a chess move in knowing. Trump is old. Knowing probably some insider. information about his health. And he was. bragging about passing cognitive tests. during Trump 1.0. So this dementia. diagnosis, I believe has been out there, you know, for a while. And so that is.

such a good point. We have to be careful. what we wish for. Yeah, I think the. other thing here, too, is like a lot of. Democratic politicians, you got a ton of. them on your show. It becomes like this. fallback position for the Democratic. Party to get like claps and clicks and. stuff without having a real plan on what. to do. And so they go, "We have to. remove Donald Trump. We have to impeach. Donald Trump." You're like, "We've. impeached him twice. We're not going to. be able to remove him. Like he's here.". I think sometimes we've got to sort of. face the threat that we that we have in. front of us and be prepared to deal with. it, limit the damage as much as we can, have an actual plan on what to do when. we win in the midterms, when we win in. 2028. Cuz I think right now in this.

trajectory, we're going to elect a. Democratic president unless somehow. Donald Trump saves the job market and. finds a way to raise wages and decrease. prices, which he's not going to do. He's. not even trying, so I just don't want. Democrats to keep falling into that. trap, but also to think through the. whole game. Democrats never do that. We. don't think through step one and step. two. Like I spoke to um the Democratic. Lieutenant Governors Association last. year and one of them asked me about. whether or not we should get rid of the. filibuster. Like, should we get rid of. the filibuster because it's important to. protect us like right now, you know, the. Republicans could pass a nationwide. abortion ban if they wanted to if they. didn't have the filibuster, right? And I.

was like, "Look, you can get rid of the. filibuster. I support doing that. I. think it's it's antiquated, it's. ridiculous and it prevents progress, but. that's step one of like 5,000. uncomfortable shitty decisions the. Democratic Party has to make and it's. like day one we're doing that, day two. we're packing the Supreme Court, day. three we're passing massive campaign. finance laws, day four we're making DC, Puerto Rico, and Guam a state, day five. we're merging the Dakotas. Like, it's. just we got to be like prepared to go. and have that I hate to say we need a. Project 2029 because everybody says. that, but we need that. It just can't be. like if we we get rid of the filibuster.

and all we do is like fiddle with the. Affordable Care Act and raise the. minimum wage, we'll get killed and Nick. Fuentes will be president one day. That's how bad it will be. >> I agree and I think that one thing Trump. has shown the electorate is that you can. govern all gas, no brakes. >> Yes. Democrats, it's you know, we have. to be careful, we have to be. forward-thinking, and and Joe Biden's. biggest error was appointing Merrick. Garland. I I agree with that. >> And that allowing. we do not punish. the Republicans' lawbreaking enough.

Agreed. We have We didn't punish the. Confederacy enough. We didn't punish. MAGA enough and now they're getting a. $1.7 billion slush fund taxpayer slush. fund taxpayer-funded. which J.D. Vance said in the same uh. face plant of a press conference he said. uh. um January 6th and uh people have not. received enough sympathy from the. American public. Just they're just in a. constant constant state of victimhood.

>> Yeah. While at the same time wanting to. be tough guys. Right. I mean, it's a. party of petty grievance. That's all. that it is. Like, if you go on X right. now, there'll be somebody complaining. about Roseanne Barr being fired for. saying something racist about her chair. Like, they're obsessed with that, guys. I see people talk about it all the time. and I'm like, why can you guys never. face accountability? They're the party. of personal responsibility and they can. never take responsibility for anything. that happens to them and on. accountability for a second is, you. know, I'm I'm I'm about to be 40. I've. been doing this since I was 18 for for. two decades now and like I have.

witnessed three major moments in. American history where it was so obvious. about this deep well of criminality that. the American government didn't do. anything about, all right? I entered a. job market that was a mess in an economy. that was destroyed by Wall Street here. in New York City. Nobody went to prison. for that. I watched an insurrection that. was led by the president of the United. States, people creating fake electors. and trying to rig the election and and. just lying. No basically a bunch of. people went to prison and then they got. pardoned by the president. >> the hot not the hot dollar. >> the top. >> Right. Exactly. They're mad cuz Roger. Stone got arrested at 4:00 a.m. and and. there was a CNN news camera there,

right? So that makes it okay for them to. go after Don Lemon. It just doesn't It. doesn't make any sense. And then now. we've got the Epstein class, right? We've got the biggest sex trafficking. ring that I know about in the history of. the United States. It's clear as day. that there's no way that just Ghislaine. Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein are the only. two people who ever be arrested for. this. I mean Maxwell's dead and Ghislaine is. running a minimum security prison. So. those are three moments. How do you get. the American people to buy into our. system of government and our criminal. justice system if they watch an entire. class of people never be held. accountable for anything? So when we. take over and I do think we're going to.

win the midterms, I do think we're going. to elect a Democratic president in 2028. and I hope it's not an institutionalist, I hope it's somebody who understands how. to use power. When we do that, we have. to hold them accountable. I don't care. what it takes. We can't let this level. of criminality go. Trump is Trump has. taken four and a half billion dollars, so much he's increased his net worth. They're just They're They're They're. liars and they're thieves and I think. the American people will reward us if we. establish the criminality that they've. done and we power through and then we go. make a a difference in their lives on on. on economic policies, too. We have to do.

We got to walk and chew gum. We got to. get accountability. We got to fix our. democracy. We got to fix the American. economy and that's a hefty task for. whoever becomes the next president. It. is, but let me say this. Democrats are. good at like we won in 2020. We can win. a cycle. And right now if you look at. the Democratic polling, the approval. rating is abysmal. It mirrors MAGA's. The only reason that. Democrats are winning right now is. because Trump is that bad and. independents are swinging over. Well, our own base is very mad at us.

right now for the way that the. Democratic Party establishment handled. the beginning of last year. Yeah, justifiably and how they still continue. to handle it, which I want to take you. to. the I think there's two. worlds with the Democratic Party right. now. There is the consultant class that. does a lot of focus groups and is very. data-driven and has no passion. It's. like, okay, what are we going to believe. what's working here? And then you have. the actual base of people. that have really swung further and.

further left. I think you've seen people. get deprogrammed off of corporate news. And in that deprogramming, they've also. deprogrammed off of this idea of. corporate rule and corporate welfare and. oh, we have to take all this money. enable in order to compete with the. Republicans. We have to take all this. PAC money. I think the Democratic. establishment has no idea. how radicalized and deprogrammed the.

base is right now. And one thing that. tells me this is for I think we're on. like week eight of the Hasan. bed-wetting syndrome. >> It never ends. By Democrats. Yeah. By. Democrats are the biggest bed-wetters in. this. And I have sons that are of the. age and all of their friends where they. get their news from places like Twitch. And it is. absolutely. Gen Z suicide for Democrats to partake.

in this simply because. Hasan calls out Israel for war. crimes as I see it. Well, I think. there's a there's a couple of things. Like I I I like I've never met him, but. I I watched his show before. Like I. don't I don't hate the guy or anything. I do think he said some things that are. problematic that go a little bit too. far. Like I I think you know this about. me, like I do a lot of like going on. Newsmax and trying to go fight the good. fight. >> I've seen those clips. You're great. >> Thank you. >> You do such a good job with that. >> doing 2 hours in studio with Newsmax. right after this. >> Oh my gosh. Okay, we'll have to watch. it. You are I forgot about that. You're.

just phenomenal on that. Thank you for. doing that. It's important. >> cuz I mean to me it's like I'm trying to. reach that like, you know, 90% of them. are going. >> It's so important. >> Yeah, I mean I'll tell you. >> Jessica Tarlov. >> I do, too. I She's great. Like I So, I'll tell you a fun story. First time I. did Jesse Watters' show, um I looked down and was like 2 minutes. to go and my father called me. My father. is a three-time Trump voter, um watches Fox News all the time. Knew I. was going to be on Jesse Watters. I. picked up the phone and went, "Yeah, dad, what's up?" And he goes, "Just. remember, you're the bad guy. You're the. heel, like in pro wrestling." And that. actually like mellowed me. It was like,

"Okay, I'm the heel. Like, all right, I'm going to show up and I'm going to be. myself, and I'm going to know that 90%. of the audience is going to hate me, but. I want that 10% that's going to go, 'I. don't like that guy, but I am getting. right now. Like, that's not. right. Like, why did Trump do that. thing?'" And you just start that. conversation. We need more people to do. that. On on Hasan is like, you know, I do think he said some things. that make it hard for for Democrats to. communicate. Like, when I go on Newsmax, this is why I brought this up, is like, they'll play a clip of like Hasan. being like, and I'm going to misquote. him, so like I apologize to people, but. I I once did a hit on Newsmax where it.

was right after the White House. Correspondents Dinner shooting, um or. whatever the hell happened there. I. don't want to call it a shooting cuz I. don't really buy the story that they're. telling us, either. Um. but they played a clip of it being like, "The capital The streets should run red. with the blood of capitalists" or some. like that. And like, >> Right. It's unhelpful. Like, it it is. unhelpful. Now, I don't think he's a bad. dude or anything. I think the best way. to do it is to be like, >> as unhelpful for a Cory Booker, who I. asked on my podcast, is Benjamin. Netanyahu a war criminal? It's a yes or. no question. And he actually has power. He actually has the ability to go in.

Are we holding a Twitch streamer who. uses metaphors to an account that we. don't hold our democratic politicians. who actually have life-saving power? Isn't that the problem with the. Democratic Party? We're bed-wetting over. a streamer. Completely bed-wetting. It was a. metaphor. And here's the thing, like. like I said, Liz Cheney has caused. real-life damage. >> Yeah. And her dad. >> in America are dead because of the lies. that she fed into the rabid pro-life.

movement. >> Yes. Yet, she's not held to account for. that. She gets rewarded by the. Democratic Party as look at our trophy. Look at our big catch. Look at who we're. going to trot around on the campaign. trail with. While women in red states. that are rape victims are like. what? Like it was a huge betrayal. Well, it's I mean, it's a it's a questionable. strategic decision that the Harris. campaign made to bring in Liz Cheney. I. know like I'm a former Harris advisor, but I worked on the. >> Kamala. >> I do too. >> I want to say like a lot of the. politicians I pick on, I like 90% of the.

stuff they do. >> Yeah. Well, and I think like being a good. Democrat, we should be able to like deal. with dissent. Like what I hate. >> not in a cult. >> I know. I know. And it's like we just. watched Thomas Massie get killed because. he doesn't think we should be covering. up for pedos even though he votes with. Donald Trump 95% of the time. So like I. think it's good. Like I think it's fine. to criticize Cory Booker. It's fine to. Kamala Harris and Chuck Schumer. We. should do that without hating each. other, right? >> And I I I agree with you. I think that. like Hasan and other streamers and other. content creators, including you and I, by the way, like we're held to a higher. standard than a lot of elected. officials. Yeah. >> President of the United States is up in.

the middle of the night for like 4 hours. tweeting crazy conspiracy theories. It's. barely a blip on the radar. Like what. are we doing? >> He talked about committing a genocide. >> Yes. I'm going to annihilate the people. of Iran. It's like the thing that he. said. >> News, the pro-life channel, rolls out. literally I went to a basketball game. with Hasan the other night and he said. every. >> The Knicks? No, Oklahoma City Thunder. versus the Lakers. Hasan was cheering. for the Lakers, wore LeBron jersey. I'm. a die-hard Oklahoma City fan. Oklahoma City swept them. It was. beautiful. It was a beautiful event. I.

just wanted to get in the Knicks having. a 0.01% chance of winning yesterday's. game and coming back last night. Oh, they did such a good job. >> There were people like chanting in the. streets. It was like we'd won a war. But. Hassan said every at the top of the hour. on Fox, at the top, it was him. Yep. And so here's my thing. People tend. to find somebody who is actually a. really good messenger. And I know this. because. my children who are college aged and.

their friends, when they'd all come over. and hang out, they are talking about. things like wage inequality. They are. talking about things like corporations. buying politicians. These are things. they're not going to hear on corporate. news. >> No, they're not. >> And having a smarter electorate is. better. And so I think there's been a. lot of false equivalencies. And I. understand MAGA because Hassan is. like catnip for them. He's good-looking. He says provocative things. So that's. going to be the top of the hour. He's. not white, so they're going to turn him.

into a black man like that. >> Although he he identifies as white. Hassan does, yeah. >> Oh, well, they treat him like he's not. >> No, yeah, he knows that, but he. identifies as white. >> Cuz they cuz when they talk about him, they're like, "He's a Muslim." Muslim, yeah. Muslim, yeah. Um but uh I do think. uh the. component of the Democrats that go after. him, like third way, Yeah. and a lot of. them bed-wetting about that instead of. saying, "Look, we need to partner with him and build a. big tent here." And the thing that I. think.

causes them to beat up on him is because. he has absolute moral clarity and a lot. of the Democrats don't on Israel's. genocide in Gaza, displacing millions of. people in Lebanon. And dog walking. Donald Trump our own State Department. said this, by the way. This is not. >> it. >> Yeah, Marco Rubio said it. The Secretary. of State that. Trump did this for Israel and we're.

killing little kids. Yeah, I I mean I. think it's I think that's right and I. also think it extends beyond that, too. Which is most of the Democratic. candidates that I've worked for, not all. of them, but most of them, don't really. know what they stand for and don't. really know what they believe in. And. devastating. >> It it it sucks. It's awful. >> So devastating, Mark. >> Right. And you and you bring up like the. consult [laughter]. I it's depressing. But you bring up the. consulting class. Like I am for better. for worse, I'm a card carrying member of. the Democratic Party's consulting class. >> You are. I am. >> good one. You're the good one. >> I I well, I don't think I don't know. that I'm a good one. Like I don't I.

don't want to like overstate it. It's. just Oh, okay. But like thank you. I. mean I write a lot of fundraising. emails. It's like what I do in my day. job. But it it's So I apologize. If. you've got any fundraising email and you. liked it, I wrote it. If you didn't like. [laughter] it, I didn't write it. Um but it it it's a lot of them just. don't quite know. And maybe they have. like a couple of things that they. believe in. But it it's tough and like. do you remember during the shutdown. towards the end of last year? Um Hakeem. Jeffries kept having like every. Democratic member of the House stay in. DC and they kept doing these unity. events where like they were all together. and they were posting like a video being. like "We're all here and we're working. and like we're ready to go." And the.

Republicans scattered all across the. country to go talk to voters and stuff. Now, it didn't work because people were. mad at the Republican Party. But I kept. saying, "You know what I want? I want. all, you know, 200 members of the. Democratic Party to be out there on. podcasts and and local news shows and. cable news and go out there and doing. it." And like half of them can't do it. and the half of them that can do it, who. can articulate a vision, maybe only like. five or 10 of them are even good at TV. And good at TV is such a relative thing. Like they can't have conversations like. this cuz they don't know what they're. about. And if you drop me or you in the. middle of any room, even if it's an.

uncomfortable room with like people who. I don't agree with, like I did um Bar. Fight with Michael Knowles. It's a Daily. Wire show in Nashville where you're at a. bar, you're drinking, um you're. chatting. We And I I I cornered Michael. Knowles on Epstein. And like afterwards, I stayed for like 2 hours and talked to. everybody in the bar. Could not have. been a more conservative crowd who hated. me, but I won some of those people over. And like, you can't do that with a lot. of Democratic politicians cuz they don't. know what they believe in, and you can. tell when you watch them on TV. You can. just see it. It oozes out of them. Oh, that's so devastating to hear, but I. think I we know that. So, the way I see.

the Democratic Party right now is there. are two camps. There are the pro-people. Democratic Party, the Zohran Mamdanis, the um Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the.

Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal Bowman, the Jamaal Bowman, the. Jamaal the Cori Bookers, the Elissa. Slotkins, the Mallory McMorrow's, the. Hakeem Jeffries, the Chuck Schumers. who play patty cake with the same pimps. that buy off. uh like the Vice President who bought. off Donald Trump. So, the way I see it. is you have pimps and hoes. And I think the pimps are the PACs and. the corporations. And the prostitutes. are the politicians that are willing to. be bought. So, Donald Trump is a big. prostitute. J.D. Vance, in my opinion,

is the country's biggest prostitute. I. know a lot of y'all probably thought I. was going to say Melania, but that's not. what we're talking about right now. >> J.D. Vance might be the skankiest with. the eyeliner again. You He is the. skankiest. >> I want to know how he does it cuz like. I'm like a J.D. Vance type like in the. face. I want to know how to get that. smoky. >> Maybe we'll put some on you before you. go on NewsNation. >> a good We'll do like a TikTok TikTok. collab with. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so I I also think. there's some hoes in the Democratic. Party that get purchased and they get. bought. When you find out, like as I.

weaned off of corporate media and I find. out that Chuck Schumer and Hakeem. Jeffries are taking money from. Palantir. Right. It's devastating. It's like, no. I am so sorry. That is just not how it. works. You do not get to say, "Oh, I'm a. opposition party." When you have the. same pimp that MAGA has. And so, I see. this as an existential issue right now. And there can be degrees of. progressivism, degrees of liberalism, degrees of being a Democrat, an.

independent, or whatever. Yeah. But I. see that there are two things that will. get people elected, that would make the. Democratic Party favorability rise up. And it is fighting, which goes to your. believing in something, not being a. nihilist. And number two, not being a. prostitute. Yeah. What do you think? >> I I think. I broadly agree with that. I maybe like. disagree on some of the candidate. choices and stuff like that, and that's. maybe a a separate fight for another. time. But I think that the two people. that I see talk about this, like I I.

always articulate this like right now in. the country, the problem is it's the. Epstein class versus everybody else. Like that's just the way that I think. about it, because there's a powerful, wealthy, influential group of people who. are abusing our campaign finance laws, who are abusing little kids and getting. away with it in the criminal justice. system, who are spending so much money. to rig it, and it goes beyond partisan. politics. Like there are See, I think. that still frames it in the Trump era. So Because there are Hakeem Jeffries. isn't a part of the Epstein class. >> Well, but And Chuck Schumer isn't a part. of the Epstein class, but my god, are. they compromised? >> But but but here's My god, are they.

contributing factor to the Democrats. abysmal approval rating? >> I make this point? Is that the people in. the Epstein class are playing both. sides. To them, partisan politics is a. game. And Thomas Massie's actually. talked about this as Miriam Adelson and. Paul Singer are the two who spent so. much money through AIPAC, through these. shell organizations, spent $35 million. to unseat him yesterday in Kentucky. They're also spending a ton of money on. Democratic campaigns all across the. country. They're propping up state. legislative organizations. They're They. start They get them all the way down. here, right? In state senate and state. house, and they work their way up. So, they're polluting our politics at every.

level. So, the answer is like there's. style questions that we can argue about. There's, you know, do you care about. Medicare for all or public option? Like. those are legit conversations we can. have. But until we break this very small. class of people like Peter Thiel who. does play both sides, like Paul Singer, Mary Mary Meeker who play both sides, we. have to break them. And right now the. problem is our campaign finance laws are. a joke. They're an absolute joke. They're not enforceable. The ones that. aren't enforceable are ridiculous. The. FCC is an absurd organization that never. accomplishes anything. And And it just. doesn't matter. And then on top of that, you have a foreign government problem,

which is that there are influencers that. are being paid by foreign governments. through corporations to act as. mouthpieces. They're basically foreign. agents. We know Benny Johnson and Tim. Pool were taking money from Russia. We. know that Victor Orban, likely through. Russia would be my guess, was paying for. CPAC. I believe there are are are. influencers on the left that are taking. money from China just based on the way. that they're talking. Laura Loomer is. rumored to be like an Israeli. influencer. Like if there's all these. rumors and innuendo, we have to get to. the bottom of that, too, because those. things are polluting our politics. So, forget like Democrat Republican labels.

for a second. Just for a second. I'm not. saying they're not important, but that. class, they're ripping us off and we're. all busy fighting with each other about. whatever's going on in social media that. day about Hasan versus Third Way. or whatever, which is dumb. It is so dumb. >> I mean oh my god. I was like done with. it after 70 I don't I I thought it would. end. They're still going at it. >> And all he did is he's bigger now. Like. that's all that it is. Like Third Way. made him bigger. >> much more popular. Well, I mean And And. also And like look, no again, no insult. to Asai. I think what he's built is. impressive. They also talk about him. like he has the influence of Joe Rogan. Like he has 30,000 people who watch him.

on Twitch. Joe Rogan has like 50 million. people who watch him. It's not even. remotely the same. It's just Well, I. think he has 30,000 that watch him live. >> and then he does really well on YouTube. >> and millions. Yeah, I'm just saying that. there's like a there's a difference to. it. >> there is. No, they they elevated him to. that. Okay. They did. Last question. So, there's this vote blue no matter who. Sure. mantra. And generally, um, I'm a harm reduction voter. I lived in. Oklahoma City and I typically would. always vote blue. All my candidates.

always lost. I'm so excited to register. and vote New York cuz I'm actually going. to vote for people that win for the. first time in my life. New York politics. is an absolute cesspool. Well, good. luck. >> Yeah, but [laughter] oh, it's much. better than Oklahoma politics. >> for sure. Oklahoma politics, these. people are depraved. >> Yeah, but every now and again you got to. you got to look you look at the eye of. an Andrew Cuomo. So, or an Anthony. Weiner. Yeah, well, I'll tell you what, the Oklahoma politicians are I think the. earth is 6,000 years old. >> I worked in Kansas for a year. I think. there was Kris Kobach was.

you got to look at I'll I'll tell you. about him off stream, but he was a crazy. person. He was the attorney general of. the state. >> So, Gram Platner. Yep. A lot of people. are bed wetting over him. >> Sure. And obviously he had this tattoo. Yep. And he covered it up. And I think, okay, that's unfortunate. Like that. sucks because this guy speaks to people, he gets big crowds out. He's put himself. out there, his PTSD, his problems, his. struggles. It's been somewhat refreshing. to see that. And then you have this big pushback from.

the establishment, Chuck Schumer. Despite Gram Platner polling 20, 30. points higher than Janet Mills, he. endorses Janet Mills. So, obviously Gram. Platner's going to be the Democratic. nominee. >> Yes. And a lot of people do. I'm wondering the vote blue no matter. who lecturers. are they going to endorse and vote blue. no matter who because they didn't do. that with Zoran. >> Yeah. Well, the thing I mean, you and I. talked about this briefly before we got. started is like.

>> me your take on that. Closing thoughts. >> So, like so like with with with Zoran, like I was pissed about this because and. like look, I'm I'm not quite like. movement progressive or I like probably. straddle the line a little bit. I work. with a lot of establishment politicians. I work with a lot of like I've worked. with Ilhan Omar and Michelle Wu, who are. much great progressives and. I'm probably like a normie dem is what I. would say. I don't know what that really. means anymore cuz the the party's moving. around. yeah. But the number of times. I've worked on a race and I've been. really excited about the progressive. candidate that I was working on and I. was in love with them. I thought they. were going to be amazing and then we. lose the primary and I got lectured or.

you got lectured or the or the folks. watching at home got lectured about. well, that the primary's over, the. voters decided, you have to rally around. the candidate. And we did. I mean, the. progressive wing of the party rallies. around the centrist when they need to, all right? There might be a little like, you know, hurt feelings and stuff like. that and but they didn't do that with. Zarqaoui and I think that's a problem. because there's going to be a time when. there's a big fight, maybe it comes in. 2028 where a centrist wins or a more. establishment candidate wins and you. need the left to rally. They didn't. rally around Zarqaoui and left Cuomo. with an opportunity to win that race, right? I mean, it was closer than I. think a lot of us thought it was going.

to be and I think that's a problem. With. Platner, I I want to believe him. This is the way. I would put it is like, one, and I say. this is like one of the founders of. white dudes for Harris. Like, if we're. going to bring in more white men, well, guess what? White men in the last 20. years have done, said some really. problematic things and obviously there's. a line that shouldn't be crossed, particularly on like sexual assault and. racism and stuff like that. I I want to. believe though that. Graham's story is true, right? He went. into the military, he got this tattoo, he didn't know what it was, he said some. stupid things on the internet and then. grew over time. My guess is if you found.

stupid stuff that I said when I was 18. and 20, I probably would say some things. that I would regret now as an adult and. a dad and a husband and an activist. So, I want to believe that and I'm I'm going. to give him the benefit of the doubt. I. mean, he won the primary, right? He went. into, you know, uh uh restaurants and. community halls all across Maine won. people over. Janet Mills, I think, was a. strategic mistake by the establishment. Like, Janet Mills is actually a super. badass governor. Like, she's a really. good governor, she's done some really. amazing things, but she's also, you. know, 70-something years old and at a. time when people are pretty frustrated. with that. So, I think Platner also got. lucky that that was the candidate that.

they coalesced around. I'd be curious. what would have happened if they'd. gotten around like a a Troy Jackson or. something for Senate who's running for. governor right now and I think he's. phenomenal. So, I I don't know, but I do. have a little bit of that worry and I. know this will get me like people in. your comment section really mad at me. I'm a I'm a little bit worried that he. could be a Fetterman type And I say that. because I worked against Fetterman in. that primary. A very similar group of. people screamed at us when we had. concerns about Fetterman, and then. Fetterman turned out to be who he is. Now, maybe Platner's going to come in. and be amazing, and that'll be great, and and we just don't have a voting.

record to rely on for him. We don't have. something like he just kind of came out. of nowhere. Candidates who come out of. nowhere make me nervous because they say. all the right things, but I don't have. anything to back it up. So, again, I. would if I was a main voter, I would. vote for Grant Platner because he's. better than Susan Collins, and I want. Democrats to win, but I have those. concerns, and it's going to be incumbent. on him and his campaign to win people. over. That That's just ultimately what. it is. I think it's a very fair um. assessment that when you don't have a. voting record, like Donald Trump came. out of nowhere, politically speaking.

Was he famous? Yes. I I I like him. I. think if he were. uh. uh you know, like. this horrible person that they claim he. is, I don't think he would be so morally. clear about genocide and the killing of. children. That you know, that really. That to me right now becomes uh I think. Ta-Nehisi Coates said this. for the Democratic Party, and I think. this is a true assessment. If you cannot.

draw the line at genocide, you're not. going to be able to draw it anywhere. I. I agree with that. And I think that's a. very The people who cannot say that. still to this day, the genocide deniers, history's not going to be kind to them. And then you see they have moral. breakage, not just from that, but they. just kind of like trickle-down breakage. >> Right. >> You know, and you and you see it and. sadly, but I do believe this. I want to. leave people with some hope. I do believe that generally. the Democratic Party, if you're fighting.

for LGBTQ+ people, and you're fighting. for equality, and the biggest thing that. we haven't talked about is the. anti-black racism is on the rise more. than anything in the United States right. now. It is the biggest form of bigotry. Constantly, consistently, and now that. we're removing black voices from. Congress. >> The mask is fully off now. >> Totally. Like the Jake Langs of the. world, did you see Jake Lang is now. banned from National Stadium after. putting up a white supremacist banner in. a baseball game? >> Yeah. And so, you know, I I believe that. the Democratic Party is the best place.

to. get people to a place where we can all. support universal human rights. That all. of the forms of bigotry are connected, whether it's misogyny, transphobia, homophobia. And I'm just very My biggest. litmus test is for any Democratic. politician. that concedes and capitulates to. right-wing framing. Like Rahm Emanuel. was on my podcast, and he threw trans. people under the bus. >> Yeah, he did. And you and you torched. him for it. >> is the biggest red flag to me, because.

if somebody will throw less than 1% of. the population under the bus, who. doesn't want anything Yeah. >> except for to be able to vote, have a. job, have health care, what the same. thing that everybody else wants. If a. Democratic politician is willing to do. that, then they will continue moving the. goalposts, and at some point, you will. be on their list of people. And so, that's my biggest litmus test is. Democrats who capitulate to right-wing. framing. Yeah. Well, and I there's a ton.

to unpack there. Like I want to respond. to like so many different things. Like. the the the transgender attacks. inside the party really piss me off, particularly after um 2024, cuz that um. com- they ran that ad against Kamala. Harris that she's for they/them, not us, right? And it was a really powerful and. effective ad. So, I understand the like. reaction that the Democratic. establishment had to that. Like Seth. >> Cuz to your point, they don't believe in. anything. >> believe in anything, but also it was. like the reason that ad worked was not. because it was about transgender stuff. It was a very clever framing to make.

Kamala seem like they were othering. Kamala. She doesn't care about you. The. biggest knock on the Democratic Party, and every you mentioned polling and. focus groups earlier so I'm going to be. the consultant that mentions polling and. focus groups. They say, "Oh, the. Democratic Party is a really. well-meaning. We kind of agree with a. lot of what they say, but they're. fighting for other people not for me.". So, that was what that ad was doing. It. was reinforcing the narrative that. Kamala Harris was going to come in. office she was going to fight for. everybody else and not you. And Kamala's. campaign didn't have a good answer for. that and in fact they outright ignored. it which I think was a mistake. Again, Monday morning quarterbacking, but I I I. want to on the Democratic Party for a.

second. >> Okay. Because I get asked this all the. time. Like Mike, why are you a Democrat? Like Democratic Party sucks. Like why. are you a Democrat? And and the truth is. like if I quit doing what I did right. now I might become an independent like a. lot of other people do. >> Yeah, that's enticing. >> But I I I do think we need people who. stay and fight in the parties Mhm. because there's so many independent. voters now that the the both parties are. just kind of left to the to to their own. devices of like whoever stays and the. people who stay are the ones who win. And to me the Democratic Party remains. as imperfect as it is the best case. scenario to save democracy, to save. decency in this country and it's the. only group of people in this country who.

give a whether or not you have a. good paying job, can afford to buy a. house, retire with dignity, take a. vacation, etc. It's basically. of what I believe the American dream. are. So, like I'm going to stay and. fight and I'd rather stand side by side. with people that I don't fully agree. with on everything like Zephyr Teachout. Mondani or or Grant Platoner, right? Who. I have some concerns about that I think. are legitimate, but I know that they're. at least trying. Now, the one thing I'll. add on Platoner just to get back to that. for one second is cuz again is is you. talk about the consulting class and and. and I I think the framing of this is. often a bit off is that Grant Platoner. also has a ton of consultants who work.

for him and they're very good. Like I. know a lot of them. They work really. hard. They're very smart and clever and. creative so like again, the thing that I. worry about is that the consultants are. doing a really good job creating a brand. and then don't know what they have in. their product. That's what I worry about. without that record, but again, he's the. nominee. Like let's move forward with. it, but I think that sometimes it's we. should just always like take a deep. breath and be more discerning when. somebody shows up and says the right. thing, you know? And sometimes they turn. out to be amazing cuz like AOC came out. of nowhere. Nobody knew who the hell she. was. She was a bartender. Mhm. So, and. and sometimes it works out, but. sometimes it doesn't cuz then it's. Platoner. So, like I get. I I nervous. Yeah, I I really I think.

he's the real deal. That's my take on. it. >> I want to believe. He has never shied. away from any question. He's been on my. podcast. You know this. You'll I'll. invite politicians on and they want to. know You'll destroy some of them. That. Rahm Emanuel interview was They'll ask, "What are we going to talk about?" They. want the whole thing like pre-scripted. Graham Platoners, Omar Momani, the. people who genuinely believe in. something, there's no script beforehand. Bernie Sanders I had on last week. No.

Can Bernie come on? Sure. Yeah, Bernie. Bernie can talk about anything. >> And that's it because he believes in. something. And I put Graham in that camp. right now. Does he have to prove. himself? Yes. Um 100% [clears throat] he. does, but everybody does. And so I think. this is really fascinating stuff. And I. just on a personal note, I think that. people like you and Jessica Tarlov that. go on right-wing media, I think it is so. important because so many of those. people live in these crazy cult-like. bubbles. And for them to hear just a.

little seed of a fact here and here and. here, I think it's such an incredible. public service that you do that. So. thank you for doing that. That's. incredible. We're going to watch later. on today. Loved having you in person. I. think that these conversations about the. Democratic Party are so important and so. healthy. Thank you. And thank you for. having me on. I mean, you guys have. built something really special here and. this set up is amazing and I'm I'm very. excited to get to know you more. Yeah, thank you. >> [music].