IHIP News: 🚨 Trump DOG-WALKED Into NUCLEAR War by Netanyahu to Commit More GENOCIDE

Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu are. committing war crime after war crime. after war crime. And the question is. why? And so I have an expert on to. educate all of us and give us some. insight. Let's welcome Dr. Marc Lamont. Hill. He has a PhD from Penn, casual, and is an anthropologist and scholar of. the Middle East and Palestine. He's also. an expert on the political relationship. between Israel and the United States. And according to his t-shirt today, he's. also extra black. That's right. Every.

day. >> Welcome. Good to see you. Thank you for having. me. Good to see you, too. So what I am. seeing are war crimes. I am seeing. schools bombed. I'm seeing people. breathe in toxic rain. I'm seeing. hospitals bombed. And this seems to be a. feature, not a bug, of IDF military operations. Please enlighten me on what we're all. seeing here. Well, well, first I'm I'm. glad you pointed out the feature piece. of it because that's exactly what's. happening. Uh it's happening in Iran.

right now. It's it happened in Gaza. It. happens in the West Bank though in a. slightly different way. Uh but. ultimately there is a very particular. approach that the Israeli army takes uh. to military action. And it's it's one of. overkill. You know, for years uh in Gaza. for example, what we saw was the IDF uh. engaging in what they called, their. words not mine, mowing the lawn. Which. what referred to periodic military.

operations uh and military strikes that. would deplete the population slightly, but also instill a certain kind of fear. uh in the population about what. resistance would look like. Uh after October 7th of 2023, we saw. something much bigger, something. devastating. We saw an actual genocide. Uh and we saw the destruction of. hospitals, schools, uh cemeteries, any. anything that makes a society a society, any any semblance of civil society. destroyed. And the argument always is.

look at them. They're so violent. They're so dangerous. They pose such a a. threat, a non-stop threat, that we have. to be thorough in our in a in our. destruction in order to save ourselves. It's like back in the day, although. you're clearly too young to remember. this, when Rodney King was getting. beaten, and it's like five cops beating. up beating up Rodney King, and they're. like, "Yeah, but I know it's five on. one, but if he had gotten up, you know, you don't know what he would have done. to us, you know, cuz of the all the PCP. and all the other all the stereotypes. they have about black people." It's a. very similar thing here. These crazy.

Palestinians, these crazy Arabs, if if. we were to not do this thoroughly, look. what they would do to us. Now, when you. transpose that over to. to what's happening in Iran right now, it's a very similar ongoing narrative. They pose an existential threat to us. They're always looking to destroy us. They're always enriching uranium. They're always trying to build a nuclear. bomb to get rid of us. And look at what. they've always done. This is sort of. fake appeal to history. And in doing so, they make us. meaning and I say us right now, I mean.

the United States, they make us the good. guys. They make Israel the good guys, and they make anybody over there, whether it's Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, they make them the bad guy, but also justified. Okay, let's talk about the patronizing. propaganda that is used by Benjamin. Netanyahu. We've all seen this hyper. clip for 40 years. They're going to have. a nuke. Death to America. Death to. Israel. They're going to have a nuke. They're going to have a nuke. They're. going to have a nuke. And we see that, and then we see our. president have has a.

sane sentence, and he's like, "Oh, we. demolished all of their potential nuke. things." This is like a month ago or. whatever. And then Bibi dog walks Trump into this. thing, and then they're like, "Oh, they. were going to have a nuke." And it's. just the stupidity in which they think. the audience receives their information. that is. not only dangerous, but also insulting. And this propaganda that they use, and I. have fallen prey to it, Dr. Hill. I.

really I have fallen prey I have fallen. prey to it before. But what I've really. woken up to is that this whole notion. that. Israel's this great democracy, and the. Palestinians, you know, they will throw. gay people off a roof. And then I'm. like, you're [ __ ] killing gay Palestinians. So, what what what is what kind of democracy. do you have? Like, what kind of. democracy is that? Do you follow zero. rule of law, and then they keep electing.

Benjamin Netanyahu. And so, is it a. cultural problem over there where. everybody's so propagandized. for all of this violence? It's a good question. I I think there. are a few things happening. One, we're. all propagandized. You're not the only. one who falls victim to it. I remember. being. uh a kid of the growing up in the '80s. and '90s watching the WWF, uh. and watching I mean, from the moment the. Iron Sheik wins the title by stealing it.

from Bob Backlund, you know, which. happens right at the time of the 1979. you know, the the Iranian Revolution, um. and Hulk Hogan comes and saves the day, and he's a real American, and there's. Sgt. Slaughter and Hulk Hogan and the. Iron Sheik and Nikolai Volkoff. From the. moment that happens, we're taught to. look at different countries, different. ethnicities, different identities. differently, whether it's the Rocky. movies, whether I mean, you can look at. we're all socialized, right? When you. add that to news media, which for years. didn't even want to say the name or the.

word Palestinian, they were just Arabs. Do you see the kind of passing jokes on. TV shows that I love, like The Golden. Girls, you know, where they're making. PLO jokes, you know, anti-PLO jokes, right? There's a way. that we're all kind of socialized. Then. when you add that to the political. narratives, it gets very, very. dangerous. This idea that the US wants. peace and the brown people always want. war, that they're that they're always. perpetually, perennially, and. preternaturally violent. They can't help. but be violent. All they do is fight and.

that's all they've ever done. This. becomes the narrative. And I think Israeli society buys into. that narrative the same way American. society or French society or German. society buys into that narrative. However, I do think it's a little more. complicated and I think uh. there's a little less room for grace at. times. Um when you go to places like Jerusalem, where I spent the last decade or so. doing research, I I I see settlers taking people's. homes. I see settlers saying, "Look, if. I don't take the home, someone else is,

so why not me?" That's not an abstract. narrative. That's I understand that this. home belongs to a Palestinian and now it. does not uh because of the choice that. I'm making. So, I I don't want to let. them off the hook. You know, people say. uh I hear Bernie Sanders say this all. the time, "You know, I don't support. uh Netanyahu's right-wing agenda.". That's a way of framing. the problem in Israel. as a problem of Netanyahu. Uh. and that's not enough. Netanyahu is a.

jerk, sure. Netanyahu. uh when he gets out of office may walk. into a prison cell because of crimes. he's committed. Um Netanyahu is a. warmonger when it comes to Israel. Netanyahu and Trump make the perfect. bromance because they're the same. person. We get it. But Israeli society is structured in a. way that produces inequality. It's not a. Netanyahu state, it's an apartheid. state. There are people who get. different rules and rights, access. levels of access, based on whether or. not they're one identity or another.

That is the problem with Israeli. society. It's not a problem of. leadership. If you brought in the most. progressive leader ever, if the society stays the same, if we. continue to have uh admissions councils. in in in places like the Galilee where. even black and brown Jews can't live in. the same neighborhood necessarily if. they don't fit the culture and social. fabric of this of society. If we have. places like the West Bank and in in in. East Jerusalem and in Gaza which are. which are. walled off from mainstream or from the.

actual Israeli state. Again, there some. people have citizenship, other people do. not. It's a it's a they people talk. about two-state solutions, but it's a. one-state reality right now where Israel. controls everything. They control the. West Bank, they control Gaza, they. control East Jerusalem, and yet. Palestinians don't have equal rights. That is a fundamental problem. And right. before October 7th, people said, "Oh, but the the Israeli people were were. sticking up for themselves. They were. marching in the streets to fight.

Netanyahu." And that's true. And the. liberal Zionist wing of of Israel said, "Absolutely, we we don't like what he's. trying to do with the courts. We don't. like what he's doing with society." But. they were fighting. for more democracy among the people who. they wanted to give democracy to. It's no different than fighting to keep. us It'd be no different than the north. in in doing in times of of slavery. saying, "Look, we're going to. or rather the south saying, 'Look, we're. going to continue to fight. We want to. hold on to the south. We want the south. to be. fair. We want everybody to have a vote. Not the enslaved people, but everybody.

else. And we're going to fight to make. sure that women have a right, but not. those black women.' That's what's. happening right now. It's it's we're. we're they're they were fighting for a. liberal Zionist vision, not a democratic. vision. Okay, so you speak about Trump and. Netanyahu being perfect bromance. Not. strange bedfellows, perfect bedfellows. And you speak about if Netanyahu dropped. dead or goes to prison, you still have a. cultural problem. And I think in the. United States, if Trump dropped dead or.

goes to prison, we still have a cultural. problem. But what I see is the through. through. that a lot of Americans need to wake up. to is you talk about apartheid in. Israel, but let's talk about apartheid. in the United States. For sure. >> Let's talk about the fact that just. recently when white women and men that. look like me saw Renee Good and Alex. Preddy shot, they were like, "Oh my god, they are out of control. They are just overpolicing and just. shooting innocent people." But the.

lesson for Americans is. black people have been telling us this. for decades, and we are dismissive. We. seed ground to right-wing media and. that, "Oh, you know, you shouldn't have. resisted arrest." And all of the. propaganda surrounding this. My. husband's a criminal defense attorney, and there's no question we have a. two-tiered justice system. He has a. client who was serving. crazy amounts of time, a black man, for.

crack cocaine. Life sentence on top of. life sentence on top of life sentence. That would never happen to a white man. So is this a through line in Israeli. society and American society that we all. need to wake up to in order to get. beyond this. When we do an autopsy on. what led us into fascism, it started. long before the incubation of all of. this moment started long before. that idiotic man came down the. escalator. Please speak to that. I'm I'm.

so glad you said that. I mean, again, it's this stuff is in the DNA. of. the nation. It it it's This nation was. created on inequality. This nation was. created on the exploitation and. extraction of black labor. Uh and and. this idea to your cultural point that. it's normal and that it's natural and. that it makes sense. Of course black. people should be doing this. Of course. black people shouldn't be. uh. provided access to the same rights and. privileges, etc., etc.

And it lingers on until this day. And. so, when you talk about. uh what happened to Renee Good, when you. talk about the kind of moral panic and. outrage that people saw when that white. woman was killed, that is always what. happens in this society. I think about. uh. when, you know, John F. Kennedy walks. through Harlem, you know, in 1960 holding up a black. baby and they dismiss it as a campaign. stunt, you know? Uh they saw it as kind. of cheap liberal political theater, you. know, like like uh like like Bill. Clinton playing the saxophone on a city.

hall or or or or Hillary Clinton in a. church in Selma trying to clap on beat. You know, it's like this is what we do. to make people happy. But you juxtapose that to Bobby Kennedy. walking through West Virginia. He's in. Appalachia holding up white babies. Uh. his belly's bloated. He's he's he's he's. crying. Snot's coming out of his nose. That image very quickly becomes the. image for the war on poverty. Because. white misery is less tolerable in this. country. White pain is less tolerable in. this country. When my uncles and aunts. and cousins were getting locked up for.

crack, quite literally, like no one was. bugging out about it. In fact, we made. laws and fake science and to to justify. the arrest. Like you talked about the. crack cocaine differential powder. cocaine differential. That's one piece. of it. And then again, the logic of the. crackhead versus the cokehead, right? Your cokehead could be a cool frat boy. Your accountant could even be a. cokehead. You're a stockbroker. >> You could be a stockbroker. You're a. doctor. Exactly. But no one says, you. know, I got a great accountant. He's on. crack.

You can go to him. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T DO. IT. Even though they're the same drug. We we make mythologies around it to. justify the differences. And so, we're. always trying to justify inequality. through science, through media, through. through pop culture, through all these. representations. And so, when we see a. white woman killed in the street in the. very same way that so many black and. brown people have been killed in the. street protesting in Ferguson, protesting in Minneapolis, protesting, you know, in Sanford, Florida. You know, we're just reenacting a very. old American tradition and that's the.

exact same thing to your point that's. happening in Israel. It's the exact same. thing. Yeah, I I've been thinking a lot about. this as I've kind of weaned off of a. corporate news diet after the last. election and really trying to educate. myself more and more and becoming a more. I've always been an independent thinker. I was a progressive person in the Bible. Belt. Uh but I've trying to become even. more and more educated off of this. corporate diet and as you open up your.

eyes to the. Israel influence in the United States. government. It's a minefield at first. when I first cuz I started to tiptoe out. into it and then it's like, oh, she's an. anti-semite. And so this idea that they. weaponize something that ultimately. endangers Jewish people worldwide using. something so haphazardly. Because in in. all actuality, war crimes and.

aggressions must be criticized. We must, as just people, stand up regardless of. who is getting killed. You know, I. remember I come from you know, a line of. progressives. I remember when George W. Bush attacked Iraq. My mother and I were. on the phone and I had little young boys. at the time. My mom's saying, you know, Jennifer, she's from Texas. She goes, "Darling, I just feel so bad for these. Iraqis, too. You know, they didn't want. any of this and Bush is bombing the. wrong damn country." And. if this woman, you know, now she lives. in Oklahoma City, but if she could.

figure that out and she sees the. humanity in other people and this. quantifying of which lives matter and. which lives don't is constantly a. through line. But let's get back to the. the influence. that Israel has over both parties. This. was a real eye-opening thing for me. And. when I realized that AIPAC gave Donald. Trump just about as much money as. Elon Musk did. But they also own Chuck Schumer and.

Hakeem Jeffries. And Cory Booker. The betrayal that I. feel about that. And then you realize, oh, that's why we don't have an. opposition party because they're paid. controlled opposition. Speak about this, your knowledge about this, and cite me. and my listeners about this duplicity. Yeah, it's it's a great question. And I. and I wrote a book called Except for. Palestine, the limits of progressive. politics precisely for this reason along. with my my friend and brother Mitchell. Plitnick.

The reason we wrote the book was. precisely for this point. Um. There are lots of progressives out. there. Lots of progressives out there. Who. don't support indiscriminate bombing, who will call themselves. anti-imperialists, who support free. speech, etc. etc. etc. You can go on. down the list. But there's always the. the the progressive exception, and I'm. putting that in quotes, for Palestine cuz you can't really be. progressive in except for Palestine. Um. And the reason is.

multiple. One, again, is the misinformation that. we've been fed for years. If we've been fed that the struggle over. Israel and Palestine. is a struggle solely about Jewish. self-determination and Jewish. self-defense, then of course you'll. support Israel's right. Right? Even the framing of the conversation, do. you support Israel's right to exist? It's like, what does that mean? We Of course we we uh. support Jewish people's right to exist. and Israelis' right to exist as human.

beings. No one should live without. safety, dignity, self-determination, justice, etc. Everybody deserves that. with no exceptions. Uh but too often the the right to exist. when you unpack it really means the. right to exist as an apartheid state. It means the right to exist on our. terms. Uh countries don't have a right. to exist, people do. Uh and we have to but that language is. only used. for Israel. If you were to ask Chuck. Schumer, do you support uh Communist.

China's right to exist? You know, I I you know, he would he would fumble. around and ignore you and walk away. If. you said, do we support Iran's right to. exist? You know, what would he say, right? So, what does it mean to support. a nation-state's right to exist? Um and. so, for me, it's not a very helpful. question, but it's part of how we've. been tricked. You know, many black. Americans have been told that we have a. kind of duty to support Israel because. of Jewish Americans uh support of us. during the civil rights struggle. And. while our Jewish brothers and sisters. were quite supportive of us during the.

struggle for for civil rights here in. the United States, the way we repaid. them properly is to fight for justice. everywhere, including to protect the. rights of Jewish people. The rights of Jewish people are not. protected. by building an apartheid state in the. Middle East. The rights of Jewish people. are protected by ensuring that their. safety, dignity, and self-determination. for Jewish people everywhere that does. not come at the expense of anyone. else's. That has to be key. The other. piece of this, cuz I don't want to make. everybody this innocent patsy who just.

got misrepresented, is the cynical part, right? Uh. there are people who are very. intentional in framing. any critique of Israel as an act of. anti-Semitism. Any challenge of Zionism as an act of. anti-Semitism, and in fact, part of. what's happened over the last century is. that Zionism has been conflated with. Judaism. And so, that to to be Jewish is. now understood to be a Zionist in the. minds of some people. And so,

any attack on Israel or any criticism of. Israel as a nation-state, the same way. we criticize the policies of any nation, is seen as anti-Jewish. I mean, can you. imagine if I were to criticize Saudi. Arabia, which I do all the time, if I. were to criticize Saudi Arabia and I and. I was called an Islamophobe as such just. because I'm criticizing the the the the. the kingdom of of Saudi or if I were. criticizing the Iranian regime, does. that make me anti-Shiite? Like it it. it's it's not a fair or principled.

position to take. It's a dishonest one, but it's been codified in law. The. International Holocaust Remembrance. Alliance has a definition of. anti-Semitism, which is intentionally. broad. It was never intended to be law, but it but it was but it was but it's. it's very broad, very vague, and very. dangerous. By so what they've what. Congress has done among other. institutions, including the federal government, is. adopt the IHRA definition of. anti-Semitism, which says that a if if I. were to criticize Israel, that would. make me anti-Semitic. If I were to.

compare Israel and the regime of of. violence and and and ethnic cleansing. and etc. If I were to compare it to say. Nazi Germany, as some people do, that's. not my comparison. It's honestly now I'm. not afraid to make comparisons. It's. just not mine. But but for people who. make that comparison, they're saying. that is definitionally anti-Semitic. I. say have the y'all have that debate. about whether it is or it's not uh like. Nazi Germany, but it doesn't make you. anti-Semitic to have the conversation if. you're basing it on the evidence. But.

you but there's no room to bring out the. evidence. And then there's the last. part. And this is I definitely save the. biggest for last. Um and that's the money. The lobby money. Let me be very clear. The lobbying money. I'm not suggesting. that there's some anti that there's some. cabal of power. I'm not suggesting that. Jewish money is doing anything. Those. are anti-Semitic uh tropes and slurs and. very dangerous. We have to reject those. We have to analyze Israel on the same. terms that we analyze every other. country. We shouldn't hold Israel to a. lower standard, and we shouldn't hold. Israel to a higher standard. And I'm.

saying that in the same way that there's. a gun lobby, in the same way that there's a pro-life. lobby, there is very clearly an Israel. lobby. And that Israel lobby make sure. that candidates on both sides of the. aisle have a certain position. The same. way we can't get gun reform. You know, because both sides have are. are NRA'd up the wazoo, we often can't. get any meaningful progressive policy on. Israel-Palestine because both sides, Democrat and Republican, are AIPAC'd up.

the wazoo. And when you look at. the Clinton when you I mean, you watch. Hillary Clinton stand on stage against. Donald Trump. She's clearly the superior. uh. opponent. The candidate. She's clearly the. superior candidate. She's smarter than. him. She's dancing circles around him on. every topic. She has a different. analysis and a different solution until. you get to Israel. And then suddenly. they're literally reading the same. talking points. You I couldn't tell on a. transcript who was who. The same thing happens when Joe Biden. takes the stage. Same thing happens when.

Hakeem Jeffries speaks. The same thing. happens when Chuck Schumer speaks. It's. not a coincidence that these Well, Cory. I mean, what are we talking about? I. mean, it's it's absurd and it's it's. it's it's frustrating to see um. And finally, I would just say and just. to circle back to the anti-Semitism. thing, we do need to fight. anti-Semitism. We need to dismantle. anti-Semitism everywhere it emerges. around the globe. That is a non-starter. Uh to uh. to say it it is a non-starter to say. we'll wait on on the Jewish question or.

we'll wait on the anti-Semitism. question. No, it's urgent and it's. primary. Jewish rights should never take a. backseat. We must always always fight. for Jewish rights and and fight against. anti-Semitism everywhere around the. globe. But there is nothing more. anti-Semitic. Nothing more anti-Semitic. than to attach. the violence. and the rogue nature of statecraft that. we see coming from Netanyahu. To look at the the the the ethnic.

cleansing of Palestinians. To look at. decades of displacement, decades of. violation of international law, decades. of illegal military occupation. There is. nothing more anti-Semitic than to look. at all of that stuff. and attach that to the beautiful, wonderful, sacred tradition of Judaism. Judaism has got nothing to do with this. This is a nation that's doing bad stuff. just like the US does bad stuff and New. Zealand and does bad stuff and Australia. does bad stuff and Canada does bad. stuff. We have to be able to hold Israel. accountable to have an honest. conversation that will ultimately make.

Jews safer and make all of us a little. more free. Okay, final question. Speaking of what. is. um anti-Semitic, I grew up in the Bible Belt. I don't. live there any longer. I just recently. moved to New York, but a lot and I was. an atheist, raised by atheists, really. weird upbringing in the Bible Belt, but. a lot of my friends, that my peers in. high school and junior high were rapture. preppers. Oh, yeah. They want the like. Ted Cruz, Lady Graham, they want the. Jews to be in Israel, kind of like.

places, please, and then Jesus comes. down and sends them to hell. Yes. Most conversions and death. And then. they're lecturing us about bigotry and. it's just so rich and so inherently. demeaning Yes. to Jewish people and I. also think this is the most co-opted. group in America. Trump was able to call. um Falwell Jr., get the evangelical.

vote. Netanyahu is now um investing in. this group of white evangelical. Christians to bring them over to Israel. and use them and just last question, just speak to that dynamic of Christian. Zionism playing such a huge role in this. and kind of emotionally blackmailing, you know, we're accused of virtue. signaling. I accuse MAGA of Christian. signaling. They weaponize their faith. and Christian signal all the time and. this is a central part feature of this. Iranian war end of times apocalyptic.

freak show they're all into. I mean you. just used all the perfect words to. describe it. I mean this is the. Christian nationalism. is deeply dangerous. Um deeply racist, deeply anti-Semitic. Many of the people. who are supporting Netanyahu from the. White House, from the State House, uh and from and from Congress. are people who hate Jews and love. Israel. Um It's straight. It it it there there. there's. there are very few people more deeply. anti-Semitic I have found than than.

these MAGA people. But. they still want to support Israel. Why? For the reason you just gave. Because it. fits into their vision of of of the. eschaton of Christian eschatology of. what the end of days looks like. As you. said, they think that that Jesus only. comes back. when. Israel's rebuilt. And so even though the. biblical Israel. both geographically and structurally. etc. is not the the the Israel of today, the nation state built 1948,

they want to believe that because they. believe that if Israel's rebuilt then. Jesus will come back. And yes, for those. of you who are receiving the support of. these evangelicals, watch the end of the. play. It doesn't work out well for you for. Jewish brothers and sisters. Right? The. idea of Jesus coming back and people are. either force forcefully converted or. killed, that. that narrative itself is deeply. anti-Semitic. Yes, I think so, too.

>> Yes, it it absolutely is. But it's not I. don't want us to infantilize or. underestimate the intelligence of our. Jewish brothers and sisters. They know. that. They But they also know the. evangelicals are full of [ __ ] They. don't believe it. So they're like. whatever will take whatever it takes to. get the support. You can believe your. wacky. evangelical theories all you want. Just. keep the funding coming. Keep the. support coming. Keep the diplomatic. cover coming. Keep those those. those votes coming in the UN Security. Council to to veto those veto votes. Do.

all the things that allow Israel to. build itself and grow and we don't give. a damn if you continue to believe in. this wacky stuff. But but to but to. wield that as some kind of moral. cudgel. you know, against us. To say well, we're. taking the principle, we're Christians. and we believe in Jesus and we believe. in Israel and we believe in the God of. the Bible. All that Mike Huckabee. [ __ ] right? If if if it's just there's to use a. technical term. Like if if if that's if. that's what you're using as your moral. mark of moral superiority, then I say.

I feel very good about where I stand. morally as in relation to that because. you all don't give a damn about. Palestinians. You don't give a damn. about the love ethic of Jesus. You don't. give a damn about loving the least of. these, which is that baby in Gaza right. now. >> Don't give a [ __ ] about poor people in. Arkansas. None of it. None of it. All they want you to do is. is is is support Israel and and give. birth to babies that we won't take care. of once they're born and and continue to. to build a capitalist empire that had. that looks nothing like the vision of.

the world that their beloved Jesus. talked about. Yeah, I I completely agree. I mean, Dr. Marc Lamont, I've loved this so much. I. want to have you back on. Thank you for. your expertise. Thank you for your. insight. Um would love to have you back. on I have news. I would love to be back. on. I just want to tell people I have a. Patreon. You can visit me on Patreon. where I have an account, a network in. fact where we talk about all these. issues in great detail. Everything from. politics to pop culture. We tie all the. all all the ends together and make it. plain for you.

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