IHIP News: Stephen Miller EXPOSED with DAMNING LEAKED Texts! Elon Musk CAUGHT RED-HANDED!

You know, I've texts from Stephen Miller. where he's like, "We need white boy. number." Oh, yeah. Elon. suggested to you in [music] a text. >> You want to see the text? >> I do. >> Wait, do we have my phone? Was the baby. uh. >> [music]. >> in vitro or old-fashioned? >> It was not in vitro. So, you you all had. sex [music] to conceive the baby. It was not in vitro. All right, joining me today in studio on. I Hip News is Ashley St. Clair. She is a. former right-wing media influencer. And.

I do not like to define women by their. exes, but an important detail here is. she has a child with Elon Musk. So, I. apologize for that because you are your. own person on your own, but because he's. had the keys to the government, it's an. important detail and because you were in. close proximity to him. And so, you've. been making the rounds now. I keep. saying I'm like, "People need to wait to. reach out because they're going to think. I'm a plant." So, >> [laughter]. >> I'm like, "I swear they're just all. reaching out at the same time.". So, I you've been making the rounds on.

the left-wing media ecosystem. Walk me. through. what changed in you from I know you were. young when you fell prey to the. right-wing kind of cult stuff, but what. clicked and what changed where you were. like, "This is bullshit." Well, let me. be clear too about you know, I am doing. left-wing media, but no right-wing media. has reached out because they know that. I'm telling the truth about MAGA. Not a. single one. They will talk about me. They will do all this, but they haven't. reached out. And I've been on their.

shows uh before. There wasn't any one. moment. It was very cumulative that I. saw things. I got involved very young. I. was 18 years old on my college campus. and I got involved with Turning Point. And to be so insecure and so young, I. was homeschooled in high school. So, then I go to college. Oh, the. homeschooling. >> always makes sense. It always clicks for. people. >> Yeah. But then I go to college and I'm. like, "Oh, I'm like, you know, people. kind of like me, and I'm in this, you. know, nerdier side where I like the.

politics, and I get involved with. Turning Points, and it was within a year. that then I'm driving Charlie Kirk to. the airport, and he's telling me I'm. doing great work. And that to an. insecure 18-19 year old girl is really. formative, and I for whatever reason. like needed that validation, and got it. through the worst means necessary, and. got. caught up in it. But the issue with them. is that then you get caught up, and they. they tell you you don't need college. So. then I drop out of college. Then I'm.

financially dependent on this cult. I'm. cut off from information because. everything is fake news. I'm told not to. trust my professors, not to trust anyone. except, you know, Twitter and Fox News, and you just get caught up. I explain it. in the way that change it it's not just. changing your minds when you want to. leave, it's blowing up your entire life. cuz your social circle, your finances, everything is tied to it. So you it's. very hard to just leave when you get as. deep as I did.

Um so. I saw things that were uncomfortable, particularly as it relates to women and. the treatment of women within the. right-wing. I had experiences of my own. like with members of Congress like. Madison Cawthorn. While I was working at Republican. companies, I had horrible experiences. with people like Benny Johnson. I saw. things that were uncomfortable, but I. couldn't leave. And then eventually. skipping through a few chapters, I get. an offer for $40 million for an NDA.

And from him? From Elon. Okay. And so. when you're An NDA like to never say. anything about him ever? N-. non-disparagement into eternity. Okay. Um $40 million? $40 million. So it was. $15 million lump This was December of. 2024. Okay. And it. >> [gasps]. >> it was $15 million lump and then a 100 K. a month for 20 20 years, 21 years. So, little over 40 million. And in that. moment, you have to make a choice. You're like, do I want to be a good.

person? And there's like very. hyperbolically people talk about like. selling your soul in Hollywood and. politics, but they they never talk about. the moment that you're presented with. that offer. And to me, like that was. that offer. Wow. It was like sell your. soul, take away your voice, no matter. what I do, you won't be able to speak. about it, but you'll have 40 million. dollars, you'll be materially. comfortable, your kids will be taken. care of. And so, that was. right away I said no.

Um let's get into the Elon Musk. situation. And you don't have to answer. this if you don't want to, but I'm just. dying to know some details like girl to. girl. Was the baby uh in vitro or. old-fashioned? >> It was not in vitro. So, you you all had. sex to conceive the baby. It was not in vitro. Artificial insemination? No, I think. that would still be in vitro. I don't. want to, you know, discuss the sex life. cuz I know his his attorneys will be.

like furiously writing, but. >> Right. Right. Okay. [laughter]. They're very mad at me all the time, so. >> Did you observe him. uh using drugs? >> Yes. And is this pretty much like a daily. addict Would you Would you say it's a. daily. >> him daily, but there were multiple. instances where I was around him and he. used drugs. And he even texted me. saying, you know, Wall Street Journal. did this piece saying I'm high all the. time. I'm a little high. So, Yeah, I mean I I for me, my husband's in.

recovery, and um it's been a battle for. him. And when I see Elon um in the the. one video that just blows my mind, it's. when he took his little kid X into the. Oval, and he's just tripping. I mean, he's clearly messed up. He has a black. eye and the toddler with him and I just. think why isn't, you know, why aren't. people stepping in and getting this. child to safety? >> about that situation is, you know, and. speaking about this objectively, the.

mother of X, Claire Grimes, has stated. very publicly many times she does not. want that child in the media, that she. does not want him online. And so every. in my opinion every news outlet who. continues to post photos of this child. and videos is complicit and going. against what this mother wants. She's. pleaded online many times. She's reached. out to news outlets and she can't have. anything done. But doesn't it seem like. that, I mean, the media sucks, I mean, for so many different reasons, that Elon. would be the most accountable there and.

why is she allowing the child to be. around somebody on drugs? >> How do you hold the richest man in the. world accountable when they have. infinite resources and she has to fight. him in a court in Texas where you might. as well not have rights as a mother. Yeah. I'm thankful enough that I'm in. New York. All of the liberal policies I. made fun of I'm now benefiting from. Thank Thank God. Yeah. But it's. there are still very much like very. archaic laws within this country that do. not recognize how controlling these.

situations can be in family court. No, and you're right because I'm from. Oklahoma and so I know that you can have. judges that are very conservative in. nature and very anti. woman. And so I I I certainly understand. that and I've seen it happen multiple. times before. Um, so. when you were with Elon, would you say. that y'all were boyfriend, girlfriend? I. don't I don't know that it was ever. exclusive, but like we saw each other. and spoke very often. And does he.

>> And I just I knew like who he was. I. wasn't like, oh, this is my new. boyfriend, like we're exclusive. I never. expected any sort of exclusivity from. that individual. Is he, um, it appears to me like he just wants to. breed a lot. Like he wants to have a ton. of. uh babies. So, the first time that I. spent the night with him, he went to. sleep listening to a podcast about. Kublai Khan. What's that? A relative of Genghis Khan. Oh my gosh.

So, I don't know what his deal is. I. really don't. Did not inquire, but I. know when I was pregnant, he told me, "You know, we need to use surrogates if. we want to have If we want to a legion. of kids before the apocalypse, we need. to use surrogates.". Before the apocalypse? So, is he I mean, is he just kind of. nuts all the time? Like psychologically, what's going on with this man? I think a. professional should evaluate him. So, I. mean, obviously something is wrong,

exacerbated by drug use. And then. unlimited funds. I mean, that would be. my opinion. I can't hypothesize, but I. know I don't talk about the the. apocalypse and ask people to use. surrogates. >> It's weird. It's weird. Okay. And then Elon. suggested to you in a text. that I'll offer you the same thing I did. Hassan. You want to see the text? >> I do. Wait, do we have my phone? I do have the text.

>> That that he suggested that he had a new. plan for the election. Hopefully you'll. respect me more than Hassan and not read. my make me as I'm so I will. I will. actually. Let's. Let's just search lasers. >> [laughter]. [gasps]. >> Yeah, October 5th, 2024. Oh my god. This. is crazy, you guys. It says Elon Musk. Okay.

"This is not something on the. chessboard, so they will be quite. surprised. Lasers from space." And you said, "Finally, a focus on the Jewish vote. clearly throwing shade to Marjorie. Taylor Greene. Um I have over 10,000 lasers in space. >> So he doubles down and quantifies the. number of lasers, which is very. comparable to the number of satellites. he has, but then what's very interesting. is I say, you know, if this ends up. being the reason. you know, Trump wins.

And he puts a hundred. And then I said. >> does the hundred emoji. >> I said I would ask more, but I don't. want to be deposed. And he says, why? So, you know, there's all these people. like, what did he do with the election? I don't know, ask him. So, here's where. my stance was on it, Ashley, like to me. extraordinary claims require. extraordinary evidence. So, I want to. believe that the election was rigged. because it's painful to think that 77. million people voted for Donald Trump, who was criminal, misogynist, a racist,

incompetent, all this stuff, right? Whereas if full face of makeup, yet is. constantly browbeating trans people. >> gender affirming care at Mar-a-Lago. Yeah, they do. They clearly love it. So, I want to believe that. And then and. then there was a lot of statisticians, like maybe a month after the election, I. went down this rabbit hole and it was. like these statisticians were saying. like, there's something wrong here, blah, blah. But I was like, okay, extraordinary claims require. extraordinary evidence. Um but it is it is something interesting.

coming from him. I do think that if they. could do it, they would bring it. >> Like especially the role of a social. media platform. Like we had Cambridge. Analytica with Facebook, and we can't. ignore that that someone who is the. richest individual in the world, who's. sending such text messages, owns what is. essentially a behavioral inference model. on X, and now has xAI, and is doing all. of this stuff that in my opinion is like. Cambridge Analytica on methamphetamines. And so, they're just at the end of the. day there needs to be inquiry from.

people besides me. I can tell them what. I know and what I've seen and what he's. told me and what those engineers have. told me. Uh but. nobody's asking any questions about it, which is incredibly strange and will be. to the detriment of us and democracy in. my opinion. I completely agree. So, let's talk about the layers of this. cult. So, I grew up and lived in Oklahoma City. So, I understand the true believers.

Like the white Christian nationalists, whether they be country club Republicans. that like racism and a tax break, or. they be rural Oklahomans that really. just want they like Trump because he. said, you know, he they think he's a. badass. Within the influencer class of MAGA, like clearly Elon Musk is not some Bible. thumper. Clearly Donald Trump isn't a. Bible thumper. Like when you get to Charlie Kirk and. Benny Johnson, are these guys Bible. thumpers, racists, bigots? What's the.

psychology in the influencer class? >> Some of them are, but they're also. hypocritical because there's so much. degeneracy going on within the MAGA. circle and within these influencer. circles that the people who are the. biggest Christians and America first and. all of this, all of them are completely. degenerate. They're drunk, they're. cheating on their spouses, they're. closet homosexuals. Like. >> Yeah. which, you know, more power to. you, but they they they won't come out. Right. >> And then they will advocate for the. rights of these people to be taken away.

while they're living that way. themselves. And so, there's. a mode of hypocrisy within MAGA that so. many of these people that are like the. influencer class, they really are failed theater kids. Like they really wanted to be something, they wanted to be famous. They they were. too ugly for Hollywood and not talented. And so then they get a show on like. Newsmax and a show on Facebook and. they're making six figures a month on. Facebook. They're making uh. insurmountable amounts of money off of.

this and and then getting foreign money, getting paid influence campaigns. Like. the amount of money in. >> You brought that up. A lot of foreign. money is being paid to MAGA influencers. >> Yes. Like other countries, Russia, which. we'd heard about. >> Israel Right. >> Qatar. Like there is so much foreign. money flowing into. particularly the right wing. Um maybe. it's flowing into the left, too, but I. can only speak to the right. >> Right. It It is so much. I'm aware of. one conservative media outlet that was. offered, I think it was seven figures,

to just run like pro-Israel headlines. And not even just just sprinkling it in. So it's just like total propaganda. takeover. Okay. >> never know because because of our. current like My issue is with our. current laws for disclosure. They don't. have to disclose when they're paid for. messaging at all because of our current. laws and regulations. If I pay you right. now to say Donald Trump is awesome, you. don't have to disclose that you were. paid $100,000 to do that. There's. nothing requiring that at all.

>> No, and I mean we're our channel, I. funded it when we first started it, completely independent, and I want to. always keep it that way because I don't. want First of all, I I want to be the. boss, but I don't want anybody telling. me [clears throat] what I can and cannot. say editorially. As it pertains to like the people in the. cabinet, like in Trump's cabinet. And Elon was kind of, you know, in the. cabinet per se initially with Doge. These Doge guys, I have a theory, and. you can I know I know I know you may or. may not be able to comment because of.

court and all of his lawyers and all of. this, but my theory is. that Musk is suing me again. >> [laughter]. >> that Musk wanted to get into all of. these agencies because they were. investigating him. And he said during. the election of Kamala wins, I'm. probably going to jail. He had texted. me, and I still have these messages, you. know, he said, "I can't be president, but I can help Trump win. There's about. a half a dozen initiatives, uh. investigations of significance into me. and more smaller ones, you know, like. they're going to take me out. So, that.

was very much, in my opinion, his. motivation. Self-preservation. And then I think once you start getting. once you start breaking as a person, I. think then it just you can break to. everything. Like, I see it with. Democratic politicians that say, "Oh, we. care about trans rights. We care about. anti-black racism. We care about all of. these things." And then when it gets to. Palestinians, they don't care about little kids. getting killed by Israel. And then they. take money and then they break they're.

broken. >> I've just noticed that in my own life, too, because I'm Jewish and so I have so. many friends who are Zionist or. pro-Israel and these people who I. thought were like otherwise empathetic. people, when it comes to the topic of. Gaza and Palestine, I'm like, "You sound. like a monster. You sound so. inhuman that I like I don't even know. who I'm talking to right now." And that. was another thing that like fractured a. little bit because there was so much. that I didn't know. And so when I took a. break from the internet, I was like,

"I'm going to read everything I wasn't. supposed to. I'm going to." So, and I. went back to school and one of the first. things I did was I took a class on. Hegel, Marx, and Race and then I took. another one on the making of the modern. Middle East and how we really made this. idea of what we view as the Middle East. and going into the history of it all. I. mean, all of this stuff that I had never. consumed before. I was very sheltered. from so much information and my. worldview was shaped on ignorance,

really. Well, I I grew up with a lot of people. that in Oklahoma that are told, "This is. your worldview. God created the earth in. this many days." They're evangelical. Christians. But, they they weren't. allowed to critically think or open. their minds. You're being Jewish, did. did the people in your early days in. turning point did they know this and I. also read online that at some point you. went to dinner with Nick Fuentes? >> got canceled. So I and that was another. thing that kind of kept me in that.

because then I have all these headlines. saying I'm in a photo with Nick Fuentes. So there I'm Jewish and they're like. she's a white nationalist now. I'm like. what is happening? I was 20 years old. 21. Okay. >> And what had happened was I had come out. against Alabama's recent abortion law. I. was like this is insane. They don't even. have any exceptions for rape incest what. have you? >> And you're in the mega world at this. time. >> I I came out like on what I thought was. a reasonable opinion about reproductive. rights and Nick Fuentes had disagreed. with me and you know he was like let's.

debate and I'm like oh okay and then. everyone's like no don't debate him he's. you know XYZ and then I'm like okay I'm. not debating you and then he you know. him and all his followers attacked me. for being Jewish being a woman and it. was like I don't know if you've ever. been attacked by his followers it's a. lot. Not his but I have Elon's and. Trump's yeah. >> Yeah so so it's like that on steroids. really. and I was like 20 years old getting it. was my first time getting like an influx. of all this stuff and then a few weeks.

later someone was like why don't you. just talk to Nick and I'm like okay like. sure I will. So I talked to Nick you. know we had a dinner have a few drinks. so then they're like oh we're all going. back here I'm like oh okay sure why not. and then there's a photo taken and it's. blasted all over and then I'm like. all of a sudden a white nationalist and. I was like but then that's my Google. search results so I can't really get a. job at Pinterest after that or even. Starbucks. >> you think I understand your age and how. you because I know people that were.

raised similarly to you and I know how. difficult it is and painful for them. when they start critically thinking. because they've been told Democrats are. evil Satan all this crazy [ __ ] right? But don't you think it's fair that. anybody that's associated with the MAGA. world that we could say they're white. nationalist? I think now, yes. There. were things that I didn't see that they. were a lot more covert about it, and I'm. not saying that to say, you know, I was.

duped cuz I think people should stop. saying they were duped by Trump. I think. he's always been this way, but people. weren't critically thinking about it. enough. Like if I critically think about. it in retrospect, yes, those signs were. there. >> Right. >> But in the moment it wasn't overt, um, at least in my opinion, because there. was this push against people they deemed. as, um, white nationalist or anything like that. I mean, to even consider the fact that. at one point Charlie Kirk's organization. was like, "We're we're not white. nationalist, and we have to cancel the.

Jewish girl so that we're not deemed. white nationalist." Um, is. it's weird to think about given, you. know, how that evolved and how those, uh, open opinions of people. And you said that like Nick was like, "Okay, this she that you fell prey to. attacks of misogyny and anti-Semitism. >> Yeah. From the group that basically, if. I think of MAGA as a big tent, even J.D. Vance won't condemn Nick Fuentes, and. the Heritage Foundation won't condemn.

Nick Fuentes. And so I always say women. that carry water for the patriarchy are. going to be some of the first to drown. And I find it interesting like Cash. Patel, I grew up in, you know, pretty. white areas in Oklahoma City. I know. exactly what's going to happen when he. gets canned. I know all of the racism is. going to come for him from within Yes. the support of the MAGA movement. So did. that, when they started calling, when. the misogyny, when they targeted you, was that part of the deconstruction? It. was one of those moments because.

simultaneously Turning Point, so they. like severed ties with me, but they were. still working with me. It was just like. a public whatever. They were keeping. people who were on camera talking about. raping women. They were keeping people. who were you know, this is very public. They were keeping people who had. allegations of sexual assault. Um and so. to see that contrast and I'm like I'm. canceled for being in the wrong photo. with unsavory characters and there's. people who who have allegations of abuse. against women that are allowed to stay.

on here. And so that's one of those. moments where I'm like oh they they. really just don't care. Did you meet. Erica Kirk? No. You didn't know. So I what do you. >> I saw her briefly at Candace Owens'. wedding. But that was. >> You went to Candace Owens' wedding? >> at Candace Owens' wedding. Oh my. god, that's incredible. Where was it? It. was at one of the Trump I think it's the. Trump Winery in Virginia. It was like. actually a really beautiful. I'm sorry. It was a really beautiful. wedding. Like I got to give her credit.

She had really nice arrangements, too. >> Yeah, she's very pretty. She is, but. yeah. I was there and and that was. >> was there? Yeah. So I think the uh. the. >> it was. She was with Charlie. Yeah. Yeah. I think the whole Turning Point. thing is going to be over. I don't think. she's going to be able to carry that cuz. she's number one. I mean clearly. something's wrong with her objectively. >> see the Unfuck America? No. They just. did this whole exposé on how so many of. the Turning Point chapters are fake.

Like they're ghost chapters. They don't. exist. So it looks like at least from. their reporting that they're just. boosting these numbers for donors to. make it look like they have more of a. student movement and operation than they. do. Wow, I mean that wouldn't surprise me. I. think. >> documentary. >> I think when she did the whole WWE. funeral. I just I think that that on the national. stage some people that were kind of like. I like Trump's tax breaks they saw that. and they're like this is some weird. [ __ ] Like it is really weird [ __ ] So.

within the MAGA movement I I think a lot. of these men, it centers around um. suppressed sexuality within the men. I think that you've got a lot of gay. curious guys in MAGA, a lot of bi. curious men, and then just like total. sex addicts. And so you have mentioned. before, I saw a clip, I can't remember. whose podcast it was, that you when you. were in MAGA circles, everybody's. [ __ ] everybody, everybody's partying. their ass off, and then you've gone to. some Democratic parties and people are.

like it's 9:00, we've got to get home to. the baby sitter. >> like, oh my god, you guys don't want one. more drink? And they're like, no, we have to leave. early, we have to go back to our kids. Tell me about these MAGA men broadly. So when my first experience was I'd go. to the Young Women's Leadership. Conference. I'm 20 years old. It's my. first like Turning Point conference. where I'm like a real special guest. >> Okay. And I meet this guy, DC Draino, Rogan O'Handley, who's like 10 years my. senior. >> Okay. He's like sweeping me off my feet,

having me move in with him. I leave. college, I leave my college town. >> DC Draino is off Drain the Swamp. >> Yes. Oh, I get it. I I move into his. bunk ass Tampa apartment, and he's like, this is how you, you know, here's what. you write on the signs outside of the. ice detention center. He's telling me. what to tweet. He's like molding my. little brain. He's like, here, sell. t-shirts, sell MAGA t-shirts. >> Yeah. Like I was very much molded, but. simultaneously this guy is like, oh, I'm. this Christian conservative, we need to.

take back America, and he's. on kratom all the time. He's always. drinking kratom. Kratom? Yeah, kratom. Or what I can't remember how it's. pronounced. I know what you're talking. about that that opiate thing, yeah. >> he's always drinking kratom. He's. always, you know, at least when I was. with him, he always had his little weed. pen. He was always on something, and. putting out this perception that he's. just like, you know, this Christian. godly man. He was pretending to be. Jewish for a minute. Like these people. are a mess. What? These people are a. disaster. faking being Jewish? >> do this. On a plane, Luna did the same.

thing. There's an article saying that. she was saying she was Jewish, and then. it turns out her grandfather's a Nazi. What the [ __ ]. >> new George Santos. Oh my god. I mean They're just weird, Jen. Like and and that's what I want to. say. Like these people are just people, and they're very broken. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> They're really broken, and that's why I. find it incredible that they're so. fixated on the trans issue. They're. like, "Oh, you know, identity issues.". All of those people have identity. issues. >> Totally. They they think that they're.

men and they're actually [ __ ] You're. like, you have the biggest identity. issues I've ever seen in my life. >> Well, I think the biggest argument for. Democrats with the trans issue is to. simply say, "Why are Why is MAGA so. obsessed with genitals? Why are they so. obsessed with gay sex? Why?" Because. it's not like I don't wake up every day. and go, "Oh my god, I'm so straight. Let's talk about straight stuff." But. when you get into these MAGA men, they. are consumed with trans issues and uh. LGBTQ+ issues and gay sex, and then you.

start diving into it. Like if you look. at I call the Speaker of the House. Little Moses Mike Grinder Johnson is my. name for him. I call him Benny Benny Grinder Johnson. Benny Grinder Johnson. Like he told on. himself with the gay cruise thing. And. I'm just like, of course he's a Of. course. Of course this is what this is. But the science backs this up, Ashley, because I found this study. Trans porn is consumed the most in all. of these bright red counties. Yes. And.

so it's just really To me, it's obvious, but It's all projection, but at the same. time, there's the most gender-affirming. care happens at Mar-a-Lago. >> [laughter]. >> Okay? So they need to stop. They're. spending far more than we are on our. taxpayer dollars on trans youth or. trans-affirming like they need to stop, okay? None of those people um they're. all engaging in gender-affirming care. I. agree. Okay, let's talk through this. I. sincerely can understand how somebody. can be impressionable and fall into.

groups and um then a deconstruction can. ensue. The the co-host to my podcast, Angie. Pumps, >> Yeah. she, when I first met her, thought. the earth was 6,000 years old, was a. Republican, and now she is the biggest, you know, cheerleader for. >> [snorts]. >> democracy and for human rights. So, I have this kind of thing where I I. want obviously I want people to evolve. And as as people kind of get.

deconstructed from this, you're going to. get a lot of criticism. >> Yeah. For like, oh, right. >> And as you deconstruct from this, I. think you had written a book about the. it was easy to hate like about trans. Yeah. >> a children's book about trans. >> Elephants are not birds. And so, as you. I as I see you now trying to atone and. tell. the country about this movement and how. toxic and broken these people are.

What message do you have to people that. are young, like your demographic, that. are young and have fallen prey. to this what they perceive as an in. club, like the punching down in club? Um. was there always an itch somewhere in. the back of your brain that something. wasn't right and you just caved to the. worst impulses? >> Yeah, there were there were moments. where I was pushing back on it, especially in private, cuz I worked a. lot with Ari Sheckley on TikTok, and I. was like, you know, you can't.

>> What's her deal? She's I you know, she's. just stupid. Like, she's genuinely like. a cerebral speed bump. There's just not. a whole lot going on up there, and so I. give her a little bit of grace cuz she's. just so dumb. I have more ire for the. elected members Yeah, yeah. >> who push her content and then make bills. off of it. I think someone from your. state, Oklahoma, you know, brought her. up and. >> Walters. Yeah, who I have more ire for. that. >> Talk about Talk about gay curious. Ryan. Walters is one of these. So, and but I. do have regret cuz I was just mean. And.

what you need to understand is that so. many of these people who are being nasty. online and and holding this moral high. ground, they're they're just very. insecure and broken. Yeah. Like I was. just. I had no reason to say the things that I. did. It was just mean. It was ignorant. I didn't understand the things that I. was saying. And that's kind of how this. entire thing is structured. Like the. people who are on Fox News don't know. what they're talking about. They would. have me on Fox News and then ask me if I.

wanted to talk about Ukraine. Do I look. like I know what's going on here? Seriously. >> [laughter]. >> I don't. I hardly know why they're. fighting, okay? So, these are just the. the talking points that they want you to. articulate. >> Yes. And but that's what they need to. realize is that so many of these people. are bastardizing your attention and they. don't know what they're talking about. and they make an insurmountable amount. of money off of your attention. Most of. these big tech platforms optimize for. user seconds. That is what they optimize.

for and you should hold that in the back. of your head every time you spend a. second on there because you are a data. point. They want you on there for longer. and what are they doing to keep you on. there longer? What do you make of the. Republicans that have power right now? Who you hear We all hear these leaks all. the time. Elected officials cuz I hold. them to account. Like the Democrats piss. me off every bit as much as the. Republicans do, quite honestly, because. they're I'm just like be an opposition. party. This is a layup. But what do you.

make of like Moses Mike Grinder Johnson. and the Senate majority leader Thune? What do you make of them. not standing up. >> They're cowards. >> to Trump. They're cowards. >> You need to sacrifice something. If you're not sacrificing something, and. guess what? Getting death threats on. Twitter is not sacrificing something. Like, you need to make some material. sacrifice to do what's right. The fact. that none of these judges being. appointed by Trump, when they're asked, can say, "No, he can't have a third.

term." Really clearly. "No, he did not win in 2020. This has. gone too far." Um and what I can tell. you, at least for the people. is that. these individuals in power are much. weaker than they like to appear. The. people who are thumping their chests, they're very weak individuals. Um. people need to fight back. They need to. fight back about against what's. happening, particularly as it relates to. AI and these data centers and. them.

gathering an amount of power that will. be very difficult to take back. Do When you think back to your former. peers in the MAGA group, and their. perception of. like, liberal people or woke people. Do. you think that there is a jealousy that. like that that subconsciously they see. those people as the cool kids, or they. just see these people as like. blue-haired lesbians doing basket. weaving? >> it is a deep insecurity that they cannot. live as themselves. You know, I got a.

comment the other day that was like, "Oh, she's even dressing more liberal.". And then I was like, "I am dressing. different, but it's because I don't have. to wear a MAGA costume anymore. I can go. in my closet and say, 'What do I want to. wear today?' instead of like, 'What's. not going to offend MAGA? What's going. to be more conservative? Like, what's. going to seem professional? Like, I. don't know." How old are you now? 27. 27. And so, as you wake up now and. you're not in that tent, do you. walk my listener through like the.

differences or and/or liberation, just. personally, that you feel not being a. part of that group and now being. yourself. First of all, I'm not. content-brained and looking at. everything so cynically. When you're in. that, everything is like you're looking. for the bad. You're looking for these. crazy things. Like when I was in MAGA. and I'm in New York City, I'm like, "I'm. going to find You know, I could not. imagine what I would be doing like in. Zoran's New York if I was still MAGA." I. would be out there every day. "Can you.

believe Zoran didn't fix this?" Like it. just captures your entire being. Like. everything you view is through this lens. of MAGA and content. And. like now I'm just able to be a real. person. Like. just exist, just read what I want, just. watch what I want. Like I would feel. guilty if I consumed like liberal media. So you would You're saying you would. basically have to wake up and assign. blame Yeah. to everything or and or. praise. Like this is great because of. Trump and this is bad because of uh the.

libs. And what do you think of That's. That's exactly And they say so much. like, "Oh, it's not a victimhood. mentality. It's not this. It's not. that." But they live in the biggest. victimhood mentality that they think the. biggest issue is trans people. That they. think it it's going to take away that. from them so much if you recognize black. literature. Reading my first slave narrative at 25, I was like, "No wonder they don't want. me reading this because this is. horrific." And so like I And then. consuming black literature, like reading.

Robinson, reading Du Bois, reading these. these things that I wasn't allowed to. read because I was told it was. anti-white propaganda. And. it just read what you're not supposed. to. Read what they're telling you not. to. >> is the movement? It's pretty racist. >> That's what I mean. I think it's just. Would you say that's at the epicenter of. it and then also owning the libs? >> more and more at the epicenter of it. It. wasn't so much before, but people like. Stephen Miller have really like, you. know, I have texts from Stephen Miller.

where he's like, "We need white boy. summer.". >> What? Oh, yeah. You have texts from. Stephen Miller? >> to text me every day during the. election. He's like, "Share this." I. don't I Every time I've seen him, he's. sitting down at the board with a drink. So, don't know. He. >> But, what would he text you? We need. what? He would ask for retweets during. the election. Like would you say white. boy White boy November. He's like, "We. need the white boys. This is going to be. white boy November." Like he's just a. loser. And so, like he's begging me for. retweets. He's like, "We need to get the. men to vote.". >> on. So, that guy is reaching out to you.

to reach. >> I get it. It's just they're all so. insecure. >> They're all losers. >> I mean, I knew that. I knew all of this. >> That's why I don't care. I'm like, "Who. am I And how badly do they want to own. the libs? Would you say that is the. driving force? Like the ethos that like. bonds them together, owning the libs? No, I think they're just hateful racist. Like I. think [laughter] like No, I think what. bonds them together is hate and that. they weren't cool in high school. Like. they're really The These people are so.

deeply insecure. Have you met Trump? I a. few times. I was very much. >> I didn't get close enough to smell. What. did the makeup look like in person? >> Very bad. The spray tan I think it's a. spray tan issue, but like that's you. kind of have to get a spray tan to go to. Mar-a-Lago. Like as soon as I started. getting in the Mar-a-Lago crowds, they're like, "Oh, here's Lara Trump's. spray tan girl. Like here's get the. Zimmerman dress. Get this." Like I was. being put into this costume of MAGA. And. I think I look much better without a. spray tan.

>> [sighs and gasps]. [laughter]. >> They all do the spray tans. Like they. wear a costume. >> And do they Do people think he's smart? Like where it was like, "Oh my god, Trump's incredible." I mean, They view. him more as like this caricature. They're like, "Oh, he's so awesome. Oh. my god.". >> he's like a badass. >> believe he was at the McDonald's. drive-thru?" Like they're just so dumb. Yeah, that's what I think. >> think they actually think, if you ask. any of them, that Donald Trump is. sitting there writing policy. Like they. know he's not. >> Are they true So in the influencer.

class, cuz there are true believers. I've been around them in Oklahoma in the. Bible Belt that believe this man is. smart, that believe he's this incredible. businessman, that believe all this like. that he's healthy, that he's a great. athlete. There are people that believe. that [ __ ]. >> base does, but. >> the influencer class, they would jump. off that. They're like, "Can you believe he DJ's. Mar-a-Lago?" Like this What about J.D. Vance? Do they like J.D. Vance? Um it's. kind of split on J.D. Like some people. just think he's weird, which he is, and.

then other people are like, "Oh wow, he. could be the next 2028.". I think he. >> Don't trust anyone who takes money from. Big Tech. >> [laughter]. >> Well, yeah, I think J.D. Vance is the. country's top prostitute. >> to Yeah, he's got to bend over for Peter. Thiel. >> Yeah, I mean, it's just I always If you. look at J.D. Vance. >> Peter Thiel makes his boys work. He. does. I mean, he went out to Silicon. Valley and he comes back thinner, dressed better, better haircut. I'm. like, Peter Thiel queer-eyed J.D. Vance. He queer-eyed him. I've never seen. anything like it. It's like he went He.

got queer. Remember how he was chubby. and kind of sloppy? And then he comes. back from Peter Thiel's gay book club. and he got queer-eyed. He did. Yeah, I. just think there's a lot of What I see. MAGA men is there it's all about these. homo-social relationships. They're. always in these male-dominated. >> Yes. And and it's it's like even the. whole Joe Rogan and all the bro-sphere. I'm like, everything is about always. this homo-social.

setting. And so, Ashley, do you have any. closing thoughts for my listeners on I. know you don't you I know you don't give. a [ __ ] what people think about you, but. your message is more to provide. an off-ramp to people in the. aftermath of what this cult is. And what. What you say to the people out there. that have gotten [ __ ] over by these. policies? >> There's a lot of people that are in my. DMs that are on your page. There's a lot. of wives of MAGA that are in my DMs.

right now. And so this is not just me. And what I want to make really clear too. is I'm not asking for forgiveness. I'm. not asking to be accepted. I'm asking. people to understand like the pathology. of this cult and talk about my. experiences. And I'm not here to talk. about like my big beautiful ideas for. the DNC in 2028. You know, I'm just. speaking about my experience and I truly. am optimistic. that. MAGA is fracturing. I I really do.

believe that. And I think at least for. you guys on the left, when you say, "Oh, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene and and. Megan Kelly and Tucker, they're seeing. the writing's on the wall. That's the. only reason they're leaving." But stick. with that they're seeing the writing on. the wall and that they're seeing where. the wind blows. I think you guys also. need to recognize where the wind is. blowing and that you have a lot more. power than than you're recognizing in. this moment to mobilize and do. something. Yeah, I think so, too. I. always say that Marjorie Taylor Greene,

Tucker Carlson are first and foremost. financial Darwinists. And Trump is going to die. He's not a. spring chicken. And so they're already, even though the cult might be slow to. come, but uh. I'm just very grateful that you're. speaking out because the Tea Party. incubated MAGA. MAGA is incubating. something worse. Mhm. And you were in. that. And when you talk about the. Groypers and all of the bro sphere that. I've spoken about, it's really going to. be worse than MAGA.

>> Well, and the marriage with the big tech. oligarchs is really Oh my god, it makes. me It it Yeah. People have to fight back. against They're speaking about AI as. it's an inevitability. And there was a. really great creator. I wish I could. remember her name. I actually think it. was Francesca. Oh, said. Fiorentini. Maybe it was her someone. else. They were you know she said they they. speak about. AI inevitability in the same way they. talk about you know the R word and. assault like rape and.

that to me people need to remember that. like they are really it's not an. inevitability because we get to choose. what happens. Ashley thank you so much for coming by. the studio and and for your bravery in. speaking out getting to the other side. I do for any listeners who want to. criticize Ashley you get to but I just. want to say personally my beloved. co-host that you love she was up until. like four years ago. I mean totally you. know in evangelical Christian circles.

and so change can happen and you have to. when people. are atoning it's worthy of a listen so. be nice. All right thank you Ashley.