IHIP News: MAGA SHILL Bari Weiss GETTING CANNED?! CBS Hurting From BIASED Reporting?!

All right, have you noticed that not. only does Benjamin Netanyahu dog walk. Donald Trump, it appears he also dog. walks Bari Weiss of CBS News. She. allowed Benjamin Netanyahu to pick his. own person to interview him. Pop this. up. Dylan Byers has scoop. Paramount. leadership has had informal discussions. about changing Bari Weiss's mandate at. CBS News and eventually CNN in ways that. would give her less control over TV. And.

me to discuss this is Adam Johnson. He. is the co-host of the Citations Needed. podcast and author of How to Sell a. Genocide, The Media's Complicity in the. destruction of Gaza. Adam, thank you for. joining me today. >> Thank you so much for having me on. Yes, what is your response to this Bari. Weiss news? I'm a little skeptical of it. Bari Weiss. was brought in for the explicit purposes. of being an ideological enforcer for the.

Ellison family. So the idea that they would withdraw her. power, it could be because of pushback. from internally from reporters. I mean, obviously there's a lot of the people. there. They just lost Anderson Cooper. over this. View View it as illegitimate. that they've completely destroyed the. firewall between ownership and editorial. independence such as such as that it. existed under under Shari Redstone who. herself intervened three separate times. because they thought 60 Minutes'. coverage. was too critical of Israel. And then she.

sold it to the Ellison family who of. course is the largest private donor to. the IDF and they bring in Bari Weiss who. obviously has a history of being. staunchly pro-Israel. But there was a lot of pushback. internally, I know, from several reports. that she had kind of gone too far or or. kind of flew too close to the sun in. terms of editorial. intervention. And of course they're. using 60 Minutes effectively to suck up. to Trump. So they'll approve the the the. the much more important uh. prize, which is Paramount or rather.

which is CNN. and Time Warner and and and that whole. empire, which is which is far more. valuable than Paramount, which is only. $8 billion. Uh so I think it's I I'll. I'll I'll believe it when I see it cuz I. think that you know, the reason why she. was brought in was pretty explicitly to. weed out what was perceived as. anti-Israel bias or woke or anything. considered too liberal or or or that you. know, so it was it was kind of a. combination of right-wing grievances. that she was there to enforce. So, I my.

sense is that they they may be trial. ballooning this to see if if this eases. off some of the tensions from their more. uh established reporters. I agree with you. I'm not buying it. Um. you wrote this piece for The Intercept. Pop this up. You analyzed more than. 12,000. articles from mainstream outlets and. more than 5,000 television segments that. aired on CNN and MSNBC. What shocked you. the most? What shocked me the most? Um I suppose.

not a lot shocked me, although the. asymmetry of the data was pretty. profound. So, we we looked at bias by. comparing for example, the first thing. we compared was what we call emotive. words, which is when an Israeli is. killed uh US media, whether it's New. York Times or CNN or MSNBC describe it. as brutal or savage or barbaric or a. massacre or slaughter, whereas when. Palestinians are killed, overwhelmingly. our data shows by about 100 to 1. Um.

when when Palestinians are killed, it's. either never referred to as a uh. barbaric or slaughter or massacre, which. is the case with the New York Times and. Washington Post and most print media and. effectively the case with cable news. such as CNN and MSNBC, which we covered. Um which uh which we which we argue is a. form of a very obvious bias. So, kills. 20,000 children over the course of 2. years uh and somehow manages and the. number's probably double that. And. somehow manages to do so without once.

committing a massacre or a slaughter. Whereas, the New York Times uses the. term uh over 100 times in the first 60. days alone after October 7th. And what. what we argue is that that's. statistically impossible. Um we looked at the asymmetry in. coverage in terms of. sympathetic victims, children, journalists. We looked at the a totally. asymmetrical coverage of anti-Semitism. versus Islamophobia, which was. overwhelming. uh which is overwhelming in the data. Uh. we looked at these kind of.

mantras like right to defend itself, which almost always precede hand-waving. away mass carnage that that emerged from. Gaza in the first few months. And the. argument is that if you is that you can. empirically show anti-Palestinian, pro-Israel bias in media, uh which we. aim to do in a rigorous and thorough. way. And then from there, we can have a. bigger conversation as to why or what we. can do about that or whether people even. view this as being a bad thing cuz some. people would see that I I know that one. of those pro-Israel bully groups uh did.

a review of our of our Intercept piece. and basically made the argument um. well, it's different cuz it's different. Well, why is it different? Why why why. is why is slaughtering 20,000 children. not a massacre or a slaughter, but. everything Palestinians do is and they. their answer is effectively just it it's. different because they're a terrorist. organization or some kind of tautology. And And I don't think that's a very. satisfactory answer to most people. Yeah, I don't think so either. Um you. write that the phrase Israel's right to.

defend itself appeared 94 times more. than the right of Palestinians to defend. themselves. Words like savages were. often used to justify the killings of. Palestinian people. How complicit is the. media. in whitewashing this genocide. Well, the title is not meant to be. provocative. It's It's meant to be an. actual argument, which is they There was. a genocide that had to be sold. And it was one decided on very early, I.

argue. So, on October 8th, Tony Blinken. issues the kind of pro forma tweet. calling for a ceasefire and then. immediately deletes it. And then on October 13th, he issues a. ban on the State Department and any. administration official from using the. word ceasefire cuz at that point. everybody there was a playbook. Everyone. knew what it meant from previous Israeli. bombings in Gaza from 2014, 2021, 2012, 2009, that you call for a ceasefire. because they're just going to kill some.

arbitrarily high number of Palestinians. or as the case. in this particular round, they commit. genocide and certainly ethnic cleansing. Um. but there was a decision made that they. were going to go for it. They were going. to go for broke. And again, at that time. there had been a ceasefire being called. for by Amnesty International, by Doctors. Without Borders, Human Rights Watch, every major human rights and medical. organization calling for a ceasefire. And then it was clear that they were. going to so-called eliminate Hamas, something I argue. no one really believed. Tony Blinken. himself said behind closed doors to.

Netanyahu in January of 2024 that. defeating Hamas was impossible and that. it was largely pretextual to just commit. collective punishment against the. Palestinians as such. And so, the. the argument I make is that. that the media such as it was, and I. thought I do focus on what we broadly. consider mainstream media. None of these. terms are perfect, but the New York. Times, CNN, MSNBC, I did not focus on right-wing media like. Fox News and Newsmax because our. assumption was is that they're just. going to be mindlessly racist and.

pro-genocide anyway. So, that's not. really much of That's not really in. dispute. But what I argue is that it'll. only get you 35, 40% to really get to. that 60, 65% you need to carry out a. live stream genocide for 2 years. and I the book focuses mainly on the. first year. Especially with the Democratic. president, you needed bipartisan. mainstream buying. and that was the role that CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, AP, Washington Post, etc. etc. played. and what I argue is that you can. quantitatively show.

first and foremost the bias against. Palestinians systematically and. rigorously. Again, we studied 12,000. articles, 5,000 new segments. And when. pro-Israel groups do try to critique, you know, my work as they did a couple. days ago, they can't dispute the facts. They can simply make an argument that. yes, there's a bias, but it's a but it's. a good that it's a bias because Israel's. good and Palestinians are are. ontologically evil. And again, one is. welcome to find that argument. convincing. I find it a little pat. I agree. I think it's.

What irritates me about this whole. situation is when I hear that 260, I. think it's estimated journalists have. been killed by Israel, some American. citizens. And that these little kids. were shot in the head and the heart and. this was, you know, very substantiated and then we're. outraged by that. Then they critique us. for being outraged at murder. And it. just is is so it's such a bizarre.

mind warp when you step into this. because in any other area, if the cartel. sniped and little kids and killed. journalists, it would be universal. outrage. But when we get to the Israel. issue, it is. looked down upon by these pro-Israel. groups to feel empathy and that. bizarrely kind of dovetails with the. Christian right support of Trump that. are writing books like when empathy.

becomes toxic. You know, it's just like. it's this whole like it's trickle-down. homicidal acceptance that's happening. not just with this Israel thing but over. here with what's happening. with our government. What do you make of. the Nicholas Kristof piece and then. Benjamin Netanyahu threatening to sue. him? Well, I'll back up and discuss the first. part because I think they're related, which is there has obviously been a huge. pro-Israel propaganda apparatus premised. on. this constant this constant victim.

mentality. So, even though they have. wildly more technologically superior to. the Palestinians and to to obviously to. great extent to Lebanese they're bombing. again despite the fact that they are. backed up by the largest empire in the. history of the world, they must paint. themselves as as victims under siege by. a kind of left-wing Islamo-conspiracy. theory that hates Israel because of. anti-Semitism. or anti-Americanism or some kind of. brain worm. Um and that's why. because and this is this is what the. these pro-Israel groups, specifically. the so-called Anti-Defamation League run.

by Jonathan Greenblatt, have been very. good at framing criticism of Israel as a. form of racial prejudice towards Jewish. people as such. Um and this is why they. they've kind of used these turnkey. anti-discrimination policies on campus. to go after campus protesters and why. they use the language of anti-Semitism. to shut down criticism because what's. the worst thing you can call a liberal? A racist, a bigot. And for good reason, nobody wants to be a bigot. That's a. that's a good instinct to want to have. And they exploit that instinct to to. chill criticism for what is what was. obviously a nihilistic campaign of mass.

death and destruction that anyone can. see. And this is why I document the. disproportionate coverage of. anti-Semitism using Islamophobia as a. reference because even if you use the. the ADL's definition of anti-Semitism, every one of these government-mandated. studies. at universities, specifically Harvard, found an equal amount of Islamophobia. and anti-Muslim hatred as we just saw of. course in the Islamic Center in San. Diego just yesterday. And yet the. coverage we got was was almost. exclusively about anti-Semitism. The New. York Times.

under our study for the first 6 months. ran 82 headlines focusing exclusively on. anti-Semitism only eight on. Islamophobia. They did they had five that were both. Washington Post was 54 for anti-Semitism. five for Islamophobia. AP was 75. articles in anti-Semitism and four for. Islamophobia. There were 394 headlines in total in. mainstream media. during the first 6 months focusing. exclusively on anti-Semitism. That's 394. versus only 34 for Islamophobia. So it's.

about 10x more more coverage and and if. you go to mentions it blooms up to about. 50x. And so the question is if if the if. the evidence shows they're comparably. urgent and comparably serious, why is. there this disproportionate focus on. anti-Semitism? And the reason is is because the way the. ADL indexes is anti-Semitic incidences. again in addition to actual incidences. of anti-Semitism which is obviously. always bad is they take criticism of. Israel or Zionism as such as a form of.

of racial hatred and racial prejudice. So rather banal I mean again Jonathan. Greenblatt the head of the head of the. ADL has referred to to the Palestinian. scarf the kaffiyeh as as comparable to a. Nazi symbol. So they index these rather benign. expressions of solidarity with Palestine. as a form of racism as a form of hatred. So obviously that's going to chill. descent. It's going to Nobody wants to. go to a protest that's viewed as like a. pogrom or being presented as such by by. New York Times or or NBC. Um and that's.

a that was largely effective especially. in 2024. when they weaponized this idea of. anti-Semitism to chill opposition to. what most people perceived because again. we were seeing death counts of 300 a day. 400 a day. There was one day in late. October of 2023 that was a thousand a. day a thousand in one day were being. killed. Obviously 30% of whom were children. And. if you oppose this the only way that in. their I think deluded worldview and some. genuinely believe it is that it has to. be born from some kind of racial hatred.

Um, and there's not there's not really a. way you can counter that uh in a in a. systemic way when that's constantly. being beaten over people's heads. And. so, one thing the book focuses on is it. focuses on the exploitation of. anti-Semitism discourse and people's, you know, I think otherwise natural and. good liberal instinct to oppose. anti-Semitism as a way of shutting down. and chilling criticism of the state of. Israel, which is an actual state that. actually exists. It has F-22s, it has. tanks, it, you know, it bombs and and. prisons over over uh 3,000 Palestinians.

without trial. Um, we would call those. hostages, but of course our media. doesn't. Um, and so, that kind of. chilling effect had tremendous um. uh. impact in in in in chilling opposition. to the genocide when it when it really. mattered in early 2024 and late 2023. Yeah, I think that uh Jonathan. Greenblatt and the ADL, um. I think he's a gaslighter. I think it's. it's uh a form of psychological abuse. when people see what is happening and.

that there are facts that are reported. and then if you're told that you have. empathy for those that you're some sort. of bigot, that is a really sadistic. psychological abuse that that. organization in particular. um takes place. What What about the uh. One One silver lining I will say, sorry. to interrupt, is that Jonathan. Greenblatt has become more overtly. right-wing. as especially with Trump in the White. House. So, you remember when when Elon. Musk did a clear as day Sieg Heil at the. inauguration, he dismissed it as a as a. as an enthusiastic gesture.

Uh and Elon Musk is again goes on. Twitter almost on a monthly basis and. goes on. goes on great replacement conspiracy. theories. That's a That's a. fundamentally anti-Semitic uh conspiracy. theory, the great replacement, and the. ADL never criticizes him. Uh because again, he broadly supports. Israel and they're an Israel lobby. posing as a civil rights group, but go. ahead, I apologize. No, I completely agree with you. As we. go to Benjamin Netanyahu. threatening. to sue Nick Kristof and the New York.

Times. And then the New York Times had. Nicholas Kristof's back. You've studied. [clears throat] this and I know this is. a new story breaking. Do you think he's going to follow. through with it? And do you think this. is just like a Trumpian style bluster? I think it's Trumpian style bluster. because as many lawyers have pointed. out, to sue you have to have discovery. of fundamental claims. So the claim that. that Kristof is making has been well. documented by a number of human rights. groups. This is not new information. It's been.

reported on by Haaretz. It's been. reported on to some extent by the. Washington Post. So. you would have to discover the. fundamental facts that which I will. reveal that these types of abuses are. actually very very common. And so I don't it will never get to that. point. It is an intimidation. Again, these intimidations and these threats. whether it's targeting, you know, Hasan. or whether it's targeting Nicholas. Kristof, they're never really for the person. they're targeting. They're for the. hundreds of other people to say shut up.

Don't don't go there. Right. So the. intimidation and the smears and the and. the again, they were. bringing up Nicholas Kristof's father's. history of where what he was doing in. the 1930s. I mean, this ridiculous like, you know, guilt by genetic association. They're just desperate. about intimidating people. And this is. something also documented in the book. where we have these these kind of visual. anti-doxing campaigns, harassing people. at work, harassing people's wives at. work. They're not formally affiliated. with the Israeli government, but they're. certainly funded like the Canary Mission. by these pro-Israel donors.

They're meant to chill everyone else. into shutting up. So clearly they would. like to, you know, punish Kristof, but. that's almost it's like the the the the. primaries where they where these. pro-Israel groups spend 15, 20 million. dollars on some obscure seat in Kentucky. or or. or New York or Missouri. It's less about. the candidate itself, it's more about. saying that if you step out of line and. existentially criticize Israel, it's. going to cost you millions of dollars. It's going to cost you litigation, it's. going to So, I don't think the.

the lawsuit, which I would is sort of a. textbook lawsuit, it's not not really. serious. I don't think that's really. going to go anywhere, but it's really. about sending a message to anyone else. in mainstream US media uh from for. covering things that are viewed as being. subversive to the broader narrative. pro-Israel narrative and cuz what again, so much of this was has already been. reported in Israeli media. This is not. like some forbidden secret. Uh mass. rapes of of Palestinian prisoners and. sexual abuse of Palestinian prisoners. has been recorded reported in Haaretz. So, but what it's not supposed to do is.

it's not supposed to break containment. It's not supposed to go to your kind of. mainstream very influential liberal. outlets like the New York Times. That's. viewed as that's that's viewed as as as. a step too far. Okay, last question. I think that we. have seen the dam break in public. opinion regarding um. unconditional support for Israel. We. have seen um the support for Israel, the. country um plummet in the Democratic. Party. And do you think the mainstream media in.

America, do you think it catches up with. this? Do you think that, you know, typically. where the public is, then commerce goes. and finds it? And is there or do you. think this part of corporate media is. just broken? It's FUBAR. Um I think in key ways it is um but what. I think is likely to emerge is what is a. kind of PR off-ramp. Where you see this. emerging narrative around what I call. one bad man theory. That that this was.

simply Netanyahu forcing everyone to do. it both in Israel and stateside. Or as. you see this new talking point being. being peddled by J Street of we need to. end US aid to Israel, which sounds like. a a very meaningful break from. consensus, but then you look at the fine. print, and by end USA to Israel, they. simply mean funding of the weapon. systems, but we still we still give them. the weapon systems. It's so it's not an. arms embargo, it's simply cutting off. the funding, but since all, you know, defense spending is funny money anyway, it's mostly a. a cosmetic difference. It's just Israel. pays for it versus the US, but it.

doesn't really change anything. It was. actually a a proposal first introduced. by Benjamin Netanyahu in January of. 2026, and then supported by Lindsey. Graham. And so, you have I think these. kind of pseudo breaks from Israel, cuz. again, they can read a poll like anyone. else can with Democrats. This is This is. now an 80/20, 85/15 issue. So, they're. coming up with ways of looking like. you're opposing Israel, while not. fundamentally changing. uh the the the arms flow, the financial. and economic support. So, really what. matters to me is do you support an arms.

embargo? Do you support BDS? Meaningful. pressure on Israel, rather than cosmetic. hand-wringing about {quote} "too many. Palestinian civilians" dying, which is a. expression they love to say, which. implies there are some number of. Palestinians who deserve to die. Uh they never tell you what that number. is. Um. and I so I think you'll get a lot of. crocodile tears, a lot of hand-wringing, a lot of pseudo uh breaks like this. ending US aid, or scapegoating Netanyahu as the as if. as if like people don't If you If you. look at Netanyahu's opposition in.

Israel, they're just as genocidal as he. is on key issues. Um this requires an. external pressure by their largest. patron, the United States, not some kind. of electoral coup, which again, if you. look at polling and you look at the. actual positions of of Netanyahu's. opposition, uh they're on the. fundamental issues of genocide, war with. Iran, they're they're in agreement. So, um that's where I see it going. I think. it's going to be about massaging. um people's guilty consciences, and then. and then basically doing nothing. That's. what I That's ultimately the conclusion.

of the book, uh unless something. fundamentally changes in our politics, and And demand more concrete positions. like support for BDS or like a full arms. embargo. Yeah, it's really fascinating stuff and. I think a lot of Americans are kind of. opening their eyes to all of this cuz. we've all been, myself and the most. guilty of this of [clears throat] all, of being on a corporate news MSNBC diet. and when you get off of it, once you see. this stuff, it's really difficult to. unsee it for anybody who's a critical. thinker, has a conscience,

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column. or columnblog.com. Thank you so much, Adam. Thank you. >> [music].