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You know, Marjorie Taylor Greene has. been going through some things. >> Yeah, she is. >> And it's pretty fascinating. >> to announce she's a lesbian soon. Come on. >> All right, listener, you know legendary. journalist Kara Swisher from her podcast. On with Kara Swisher and Pivot. Now. she's hosting a new CNN original series. investigating the promises and pitfalls. of the longevity industry called Kara.

Swisher wants to live forever premiering. Saturday on April 11th at 9:00 p.m. on. CNN. Kara. >> Hi. >> Listener, Kara and I have been on each. other's podcast virtually. >> virtually. We've never met in person. >> And then we started a text friendship. that is robust and fun. >> Mhm. >> And this is our first time to meet in. person. >> I know. It's It's real. It's weird. >> Yeah. You look exactly like I thought. you would. >> You do, too. >> Yeah. I'm tiny and you're tall. >> Yeah. How did you think I was tall? >> Of course. Yeah. >> Okay, good. >> But I write tall. You That's what So.

when people meet me all the time and I'm. pretty short and they always like, I. thought you were tall and I'm like, I I. I I write tall. I I podcast tall. >> You give big girl energy. >> energy. >> Yeah. Okay, before we dive into your. show on CNN, we have to dabble into a. little bit of this crazy political week. >> Hello. What do you think I'm here for? >> Yeah, exactly. And so this is what you. know, Marjorie Taylor Greene has been. going through some things. >> Yeah, she is. >> And it's pretty fascinating.

>> She's going to announce she's a lesbian. soon. Come on. That's where we're headed. >> You're right. That's the next. story arc. Why didn't I see that? >> if she's going to look over at you and. say, "I'm in love." But anyway, we'll. see. >> Oh my gosh. Okay. So she she recently. said this this week to her supporters. Play the clip. >> I mean, all the things that happened, we. supported him through thick and thin and. that has glued people, glued people to.

think they have to support him through. anything and everything, and that's. wrong. That's absolutely wrong. The. American people have to open their eyes. and deal with reality and deal with. truth. And the truth is, look, you may. have supported President Trump for 10. years like I did, like you have, but. this is not the same man. This is not. the same man that we supported. And he. is not doing the same thing. >> Okay. This isn't the same man. Just. Marjorie, you just found out you had a. bad boyfriend. Like that, you know, that. realization. Like, "Hey,

you got you All of us knew what the. situation was for you.". >> Do you think she's framing it like this. because she's offering people an. off-ramp? That maybe she has been. deprogrammed from the cult. >> bit. Although every now and then as she. starts to back. Ask her about trans people. Ask her. right like, let me tell you, one of the. things, it's great to have, you know, Megan Kelly was saying something. sensible the other day. He's, you know, he's. and then she veers into something weird. Like, that's the problem is when you.

start to poke them, they're back to. their, you know, their old shape. essentially. But in this case, they had. they had, you know, in a cult-like way, they believed in something, and then. they pulled out. And a lot of her stuff, especially Marjorie Taylor Greene, was. extremely online, right? Very much like. a cult thing. She was She is extremely. online. She was and she's very good at. it. But you got pulled into what is. essentially a a cult, a digital cult, and and and didn't plummet very far, you. know, because she liked the feeling of. being in that group. And then, you know,

when it became clear what they actually. were up to, which they had never had her interests. at heart, she's a true believer that was. like, "Wait a second. They They don't. believe what they're saying." Which. should have been apparent to her. forever. She's a smart person, that's. obvious. >> Right. She Her intelligence uh surprised. me. >> Oh, no. >> Because when she first came on the scene. the Jewish space lasers and all of that. stuff. And then her evolution has kind. of surprised me, but I'm with you on. this. When I hear a 30-second clip of.

Tucker or a 60-second clip of Candace. Owens even, the most famous crazy person. in America, um you're kind of like, oh okay, they're. spitting facts for a second, but then. you have to remember like in the last 2. months Tucker Carlson was calling. somebody on his podcast, "Why can't I. say the word f a g g o t?". >> Yeah. >> like 10 times in a row. >> Right. >> Marjorie Taylor Greene will make this. passionate plea online for Palestinian. children, but outside her office there's. a sign that says, "There are only two.

genders.". >> Right. Right. Well, well, people contain. multitudes, right? I mean that's Walt. Whitman. But one of the things that's. interesting about someone like Candace. Owens and and I did I had her husband at. an event cuz he he ended up running one. of the social media networks that gotten. shut down after January 6th. And then he. was running it for a little bit. Interesting person from Britain, very. much involved in the right-wing movement. in Britain. And couldn't be lovelier in person. I. have to say, "Hey Cara, hey girl." Like.

it was like that kind of thing. And I. was like, it's so discon- you know, there some of them are quite different. offline as they are online. And that's. the problem, you know. I used to spend. some time with Megan Kelly. I think. she's actually changed actually. Right. Actually. And people do that. That. happens. >> Yeah. >> Um but couldn't be you know, and then of. course she would say thing about you. know, Santa is is white. Like and you'd. be like, what? >> Like. >> Right. >> Santa doesn't exist, girl. Like that's. the thing. And so I mean sorry kids, but.

>> Yeah. >> it's the truth. Um. and so it's it's a weird thing cuz a lot. of it is performative. But some of them. have then become the things they're. performing. Like I truly think Alex. Jones has some issues mentally speaking, right? He's moved into some weird. conspiracy theory. I think Tucker. Carlson has changed. If you talk to. people who knew him in the before times, they liked him. He was reasonable. He. was interesting to debate. And a lot of. it was the with the bow tie was. performative. Same thing with Megan. Like and and the question is is is was.

someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene. really quite culty and then suddenly had. an awakening and changed in a different. way. You know, and. I fully possibly in 10 years she'll be. like, "I can't believe I said these. things about gay people. I can't believe. >> Well, especially her coming out episode. on with Harris. Faulkner. Right. She you know, who knows I think one of. the things that we have to allow people. to do and I know the left does not like. this is allow them to change. We have to. have uncomfortable allies.

>> And then when they push on the other. things, that's when you push back. And I. think it's really hard in this. environment cuz people are so angry. about the things the Trump. administration said and justifiably so. It's not going to. you know, Scott Galloway in my parlance. says, "You you want to be effective or. do you want to be right? Like which one. do you sometimes you have to compromise. especially on things that are. important." And I often talk to. you know, anti-gay people. If there's. some way to do something else and then.

we get to that later. Like you know, we. can't be constantly at odds with each. other or else we'd never get anything. done. >> I I think that you're really onto. something about allowing people to. politically evolve. I've evolved a lot. in the last 15 18 months. I was a garden. variety MSNBC viewer and didn't really. think beyond those the way those. politics were presented to me. And in. the backdrop of living in Oklahoma, my. friends thought I was a communist. I. just I thought I was.

super super super progressive. And then. we started the podcast and some of our. listeners called me a centrist. Right. I. was mortified. >> Right. Right. Me? A centrist? But I. started really diving into these things. and I've evolved and my. co-host Pumps, she was a right-wing. evangelical. Christian. And now, she's the biggest. ally, you know, to marginalized. communities on the planet. So, I do. think we need to allow political. evolution in all sorts of ways.

>> of hurt. There's a lot of hurt. There's. a lot of damage and there's no question. about that. But, there's no way to move. forward if you assume everyone is the. enemy. And I don't mean to say let them. get away with things. Trust me. That's. not what I'm saying. It's that, you. know, I think you have to realize people. are complicated and allow that. Like, often sometimes I'll say, "Oh, I wish I. had been in the military." And I get a. lot of what? You can't. Not you. And I'm. like, "No, my dad was in the military. I. have a lot of respect for people in the. military." Well, that's like that's.

right-wing talking points. I was like, "What are you talking about?" Like, my. dad came from nothing. He paid for. medical school. It was good for him. I. wish I would had the opportunity, but I. was gay and I couldn't be. Like, you. have to let, you know, or sometimes I. talk about business. They're like, "All. you care about is money." I'm like, "Well, I kind of like being an. entrepreneur." So, you have to sort of. like you don't have like it's very easy. to play into this. And it also surprises. people on the right sometimes, you know. They're like, "Oh, San Francisco. lesbian." I'm like, "Just a second. There's a lot of different things we can.

have different opinions on." And that's. where we have to go as a country, I. think, to be effective and get along. And I think one of the things that. happens in this environment, especially. cuz I'm online, it creates a binary. >> Yeah. >> Absolute binary when it's much more. confusing than that for most people. If. they admit it, but you feel like you. have to like get, you know, onto a team. I was never a team player. So, it's fine. by me, but it's that's the problem. >> I think it's safe to say you probably. are a team player for the L's. >> The L's, yeah. Yes, yes.

>> I am, of course. But, I don't like. everything about it. Sometimes I'm like, "Come on.". >> Right. >> Like, let's not let's try to figure out. Let's Let's let people have their space. There should be a line where I'm going. to get married. So, get the [ __ ] out of. my way. >> Right. >> versus. I one time I was in Silicon Valley. Couldn't believe this happened. And. someone It was during the gay marriage. thing, right? And I believe I'm a. believer in the 14th Amendment. I'm. like, it says equal rights under the. law. It's pretty freaking clear. And I. know they're trying to wreck the 14th. Amendment. It's a great amendment. It's.

my favorite amendment. You think the. first was, but the 14th is. And um and. so they some venture capitalist, oh my. god, typical during the thing and he. goes. you know, I like a lesbian. Like did. that joke. Like, lesbians, like as if. this is from some porn movie. And he. goes, but gay gay male sex, I don't like. it. And so I was sitting there and no. one knew what to say and I go, well, if. you don't like gay male sex, you should. stop having it. And he goes, what? And I said, you just.

said you don't like gay male sex. Why. are you doing it? And he goes, I'm not. having gay male sex. I said, >> So, why did you say you liked it? Like, I don't understand. >> And I said, are you lying about having. gay male sex or do you not like or do. you have gay male sex and you don't like. it? Cuz if you don't like it, I said, this zucchini on this plate, I don't. like it. I'm not eating it. >> Yeah. >> And therefore I don't eat it. I said, stop having gay male sex. And he was. like this and I and then I looked at him. and said, don't you ever say that again. about a group of people. Thank you. And. I embarrassed him and that was done. And. it was great. So,

>> That is a master class. >> It was It's one of my greatest moments. >> Okay, so you're very familiar with um. Silicon Valley and uh Ro Khanna has been. really really making moves. >> He has. He's been around for a long. time. >> bipartisanship. with Thomas Massie. Those two ram. >> over Bernie-land for a long time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Those two ramrodded the release of these. Epstein files. And now they're getting. an assist from Melania. >> Oh my god. >> Uh because her husband is only fire.

Right. Only fighter. Um okay, so Ro. Khanna popped this up. Ro Khanna tweeted about. Trump and. Marjorie Taylor Greene. future incoming L of the LGBTQ pluses. Ro, I agree with you. We need a strong. populist coalition of the right and left. that can come together on the most. important issues of future generations. No easy task. Blah, blah, blah. I think.

a lot of us, you know, I I'm a split screen. I both want to. allow for evolution. God, I don't trust that [ __ ]. >> Right. That's correct. >> Do you know what I mean? Like we have. this the civilized conversation. >> it any moment. They've done it, right? So that's the that's the way of life, right? You have to. You know, I always say trust but verify. >> Yes. >> essentially and then just wait and see. and make sure. It doesn't have to be, you know, this country's been built on. It really has been built on.

bipartisanship in a lot of ways cuz. there's so many conflicting feelings. among and different people. It's always been moving forward if if. you really think about it. Not as fast. as some people want and way too fast for. others. But you know, at some point if you can. like one of the people that I think. would surprise you that that some in the. right like very much is AOC. >> Right. Of all the people I I've I talked to a. lot of the more conservative ones and. they're like, she's a good person to. work with. >> Right. Even if they're going to go later. and say this crazy, you know, New York.

communist. They'll do that, too. >> Right. >> have to say if someone who gets kudos. for working across the aisle, she's one. of them. And so that to me is sort of. the template. You You work where you. can, you fight where you have to kind of. stuff. And that's really hard for us. given that Trump puts us all in this. tribal binary. on extremely online where it's all about. dunking. It's never cuz you can't have. an intelligent thought on a in a tweet. You just can't do it. You can't do it.

And so then it's all about. action and reaction, action and. reaction. And it appeals to the base. elements which Trump understands at a. very basic level. >> All right, what do you make of Ro Khanna. kind of being the leader of the. progressive flank of the of the. Democratic Party right now? >> Sort of. He can go and you know, he and. I had a It's interesting because he's. sort of now sort of billionaire taxing. thing, but at one point he was quite up. up in their grill together. And he was. meeting with Elon and a bunch of them.

And I said, "You know, Ro, let me send. you some stuff so you understand who. these people are." This was years ago. And. whether it was David Sacks or others, he. was taking their money. I get it. I'm. not you know, I'm not that you know, I. understand politics and they need money. And. and he's like, "Well, I feel like it's. important to meet them." And then he. went he went against them. And the. minute he went against them, they. attacked him relentlessly. And he goes, "It looks like you were. right about them." I'm like, "Just pay attention, Ro." Like kind of. stuff. So, one of the things about him. of course is he too.

is he too ambitious? That's going to be. the take on him. I think that's the one. you see the most. I don't mind it. I think he's been out. there. I think he's been out there and. and doing things. >> I really like him. >> And it's really he's a really. interesting guy. He's highly. intelligent. He obviously likes. attention. Everyone's like, "Oh, he. loves attention." I'm like, "No [ __ ]. Sherlock. So do you.". I'm sorry. You all do. Kind of thing. >> Right. >> And they but I like him. He's really. he's kind of presents a sort of. different I know you and Gavin have. beefs and stuff like that. But he got. mad at that question he asked when I.

asked. >> Oh, he did? >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah, so listeners, she did a sit-down. with Gavin. >> Yeah. >> And she always will bring in a question. via video. And she had me ask a. question. And I think what was my. question? I forgot. >> about things he said. Like his you know, his I think being. not not sincere. I think. >> Yeah, I think it was um we need to get. back to normal. >> Right, what do you think? >> Party needs to get back to normal and in. Oklahoma. >> Normal is you have to put me in a dress.

and. >> or people use the word traditional, it's. really dangerous in red supermajorities. because that is coded language for. Jennifer and Karen need to be in the. kitchen. >> Right. >> No lesbian wife for you. >> Right. >> It's a very dangerous um. statement to make and you have the. luxury of making those statements in. California. >> Right, exactly. >> In New York, you you don't have to fight. for normal. You walk out, you breathe. liberal air and it's like. >> What is normal? >> Tax the millionaires. Everybody accepts. gay people. Everybody accepts that women.

can have careers. It's not that way in. Bible Belt states. >> Exactly. And so I think he was really he. I tell you he got under his skin. >> his skin. >> I would say hair up his ass is the way I. would describe it. He was like really. mad about it. And so I think I I kind of. liked it cuz I what made him. uncomfortable is interesting to me. Like. cuz I think deep down he understands. that. And by the way, >> Let me just say Gavin Newsom was very. brave at a time when others weren't. Like he he absolutely did gay marriage. and it absolutely hurt his career and it.

absolutely wasn't a good choice at the. time. And many people at at at at one. point I was with a very famous political. figure and they were upset cuz Gavin had. messed up like they had he had done too. much gay marriage and they said uh and. they said to me America's not ready for. gay marriage and I said, "Well, it's. called leadership which he showed and. you don't." Yeah. So in that way he's a. complex figure and that's why I think. he's interesting. Um He lets it out. >> And I do think for any politician he. clearly wants to be president. He needs.

to keep going in spaces during this. primary party. You get dirtied up. You. you realize, "Oh, wait. This This is not. playing." And I think when Democrats. can quit crowdsourcing and quit polling. and quit focus grouping. >> Mhm. >> and just speak on what they are. Like. Roe came to New York and he sat down. with me for an hour. And I said, "So, I think we're going to. talk. >> He's not scared of you. >> Not at all. I said, "I think we're going to talk. about this. It doesn't matter. Ask me. anything you want to." And he sat down.

There's never edit anything out because. he is genuinely standing on business. He. had an political evolution about the. dangers of these oligarchs, which brings. me I want to dive into. >> when you talk about stuff like that, a. little bit goes to the voters. Like. let's stop relying on them as the. answer. Like that's the problem is we. give far too much power to tech. oligarchs. We give far too much power to. politicians. Like let's stop judging. them. Maybe you start judging ourselves.

You know, in some ways it's the voters. if if if you react like that when they. act like real people, they're going to. stop acting like real people, right? It's sort of like insulting your. friends. Don't say that. Don't do that. >> And or you have kids. You know that. Right. >> Don't. You know, you have to let people be who. they are. And I think we're very we can. be very censorious on everybody. And by. the right is doing it like crazy right. now. You have to sort of tow the line or. else kind of stuff. And then you have a. Thom Tillis. I just interviewed him who.

is you know, they're calling him too. late Tom. But I'm like I don't care. He's the one that did the kill shot of. Christine O'Donnell. So, and everyone's. like, "Yeah, but before he voted." I was. like, "I don't care.". >> Right. >> Like yes. What do you want me to say? And he had a really good line which I. thought was I said, "Well, now you're. able to speak your mind." And I think. you all all all along thought that. Of. course he did. He couldn't because And. he goes he goes, "You know the. definition of martyr?" And I said, "No, tell me." And he goes, "They're dead.". And politically if I had done that, I.

would have been dead earlier. And now. I'm in a position You know, it was. really interesting. And I don't mind. I. get it. >> I get it. >> No, but I think you have a good point. that we need to as an electorate focus. on what we're demanding of politicians. Dismiss the ones that crowd source, that. the pick-me politicians. >> Right. >> And those that stand on business, like I. disagree fundamentally. politically with Thomas Massie. But I respect him because he has stood. up for these victims, these survivors.

Yes, and so I have respect for that. Okay, I want to dive into. the oligarchs because this is your area. of expertise. I interviewed any yet? None. Okay, good. I interviewed I interviewed Ronan. >> I'd love to see you with Elon Musk. >> Oh my gosh. He does not like me. He's. mean-tweeted about me a lot. >> Has he? >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He won't also like you cuz you're. pretty. >> He'd be like, "I don't know what to do. here." Okay, so I interviewed Ronan. Farrow yesterday. >> I'm just saying you look like a lot of.

his ex-wives, just so you know. >> I do? >> Is that an insult? >> No. >> Okay. >> They're very beautiful. >> Okay, thank you. All right, I. interviewed Ronan Farrow yesterday as a. New Yorker. >> He's a friend of mine. >> Loved. And. a lot of people referred to Sam Altman. as a sociopath. >> Yes, I saw that. >> in his reporting. What's your take on. that? >> I think that's a little strong, you. know. I think what's interesting is. where does he rank on the like is he. less or more so than Elon? It's sort of. hard. Like which do you pick, right? I.

don't think he's as bad as Elon by any. by a long stretch. Right. At the same. time, he's you know, I met him when he. was 19, Sam. And I like Sam. And at the. same time, he's also manipulative. Again, it's this like. But so is Mark Zuckerberg. So is Elon. Musk in spades along with some mental. illness happening, you know, or whatever. is going on. And real damage to people. actually with the Dojo and stuff like. that. And so I I have a little I guess. I'm more jaded in some fashion. You know, at one point when I was reading I.

thought Ronan did a great job, but like. I can't believe he lied to me. I'm like, really? You can't believe it. What? Like he's like I can believe it. It's sort of like when people say, "I. can't believe what Trump tweeted." I'm. like, "Really?". >> Yeah, Marjorie is saying. >> point? >> I can't believe he's changed. >> Can't believe he said that about, you. know, killing people. I'm like. >> Yeah. >> I don't know. When he was doing the the. whole thing with the making fun of the. disabled reporter, I was like I was like. grabbing by the [ __ ]. >> Yeah, whatever. Yeah, what tipped you. off? >> Who has any effect? If he said something.

sweet, I'd be shocked. That's where I'd. be shocked. So, you know, it was a. really good piece and I think the. question is. I think there's a broader question with. Sam. Like instead of deciding which one. of them is worse, right? To me that's. pointless. Why are all these troubled. people in charge of everything? Why? >> Yes. >> That's what it is. It's like maybe. you'll get a good one. Like Mark Cuban. is great. I love Mark Cuban. He's great. But he wasn't to start with, I can tell. you that. He and I used to beef all the. time. He was arrogant. He was He's. evolved. That's great. But I still don't. want Mark Cuban in charge until he's.

elected or or until something else. So, why do we give all the power to these? Why do we have an idolatry of. innovators? That they get to decide everything. Because they are troubled. Some of them. are broken. But they certainly are homogeneous. So, why are we giving them all the power? And I don't care if it's Sam Altman, yeah, he lies. Guess what? He said it. was going to be about safety. Oh, no, it. wasn't cuz it was about money. Oh my. god, you're kidding me. Like that kind. of thing. Like I never thought he was. Jesus. >> Right. >> So, I'm not sure why we expect that of.

these people. They're in it for the. money. >> What do you make of I noticed there's a. through line in all of these men, whether it's Zuckerberg, Altman, Musk. >> Broken. Broken. >> Broken. But they also seem to be um they. uh projected they're so oppressed. >> Yes. Oh, the victimization. >> It's unbelievable. to think about having. >> Welcome to my world. >> a bank account that could choke a bull. And then you just sit around in the. fetal position online acting like the. world is stacked against you.

>> like cheese with that one? >> Titty babies. That's what we call them. in the south. Titty babies. I have never seen anything like. what is. >> quiver. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I agree. I've had so many of them you're so mean.

to me. I was like get a [ __ ] dog. Like sack. up boys or get back on the porch. I was. like I don't know what to tell you but. we're in the big leagues here. >> Yeah. >> You can take it from me. Like it's. really and like what do you care what I. think of you? You have like a million. billion dollars. I know. Well, the thing. is why have [ __ ] you money unless you. can say [ __ ] you, right? I know. um There's some that are.

Yes. Yeah. Totally watch it.

He goes. They're so terrible to us and they. should give us a parade for what we've. brought them. You know what I mean? Like. why don't we should get parades include. us and I'm like get a [ __ ] dog. Like. I don't know what to tell you. If you. want people to love you, be lovable for. one and two, this is not you know, that, at one point, someone recently, they.

were It was interesting. I I wrote Burn. Book and someone came out to me and they. said, "That was really mean." And I'm. like, "Well, [ __ ] get used to it. Whatever." And they, um, and now they. came up to me and they're like, "Oh, it. wasn't mean enough." And I was like, "Why are we saying the word mean? It's. I'm reporting what they're like." And. it's just really hard to, like, when you. have them like that, why they can't why. they see it as. It's not that it's not personal cuz it. is personal sometimes, right? But at. some point, you have to be like, "Just. What do you care what I think?" Just. >> Exactly. You obviously do.

>> It's something, you know, my my husband. or my boys when they were little, and. you have boys, they would say to me. like, "Oh, I unloaded the dishwasher.". And I would say, "Oh my god, let's have. a parade down the street. Dylan did a normal activity today." Or. Josh would say, "I babysat the kids for. you on Friday." I was like, "Let's have. a parade. Josh lived his life and. watched children under the same roof.". This This. wanting praise. >> Yeah, "I'm not your butler" is my. favorite line with my kids.

>> "You're my servant.". >> that when I saw uh Zuckerberg cuz you. saw I saw them all in this brand new. light under Trump 2.0. I never didn't. pay a lot of attention to him before, but I kind of just, "Oh, they're from. Silicon Valley. They're from California. I lived in Oklahoma, Bible Thumper. America." So, I thought they were all. liberals. No, they're not. They never. were. On Joe Rogan when he said, "I just felt like the work environment I. felt like we were neutered under Biden.". And I'm like, "What man says that an 82-year-old man.

neutered him?". >> He was mean to him. He was mean to him. >> You know, I couldn't believe that that. even came out of his mouth. And then I. realized he must be surrounded. by just complete. >> Oh, no, yes people. Yes, I'll tell you. two stories. One, I mean, I ran into one. the other day. They're like, "Oh, you. you know, you we're being so pilloried. in this or I go, 'That's what the. [ __ ] money's for from from Mad Men. I'm like, I'm not here to love you. That's you're getting money. So, hush up. and move along. And one of the things.

one of the encounters I had with. Zuckerberg, I've had some famous. interviews with him where he ends up. melting in a pool of butter essentially. And one the first one he sweat, he. physically sweat. It's a very famous. interview. I was just asking about. privacy. It wasn't like it was a hard. question. And he had obviously a. physical reaction and I felt bad and I. helped him take off his jacket and then. tried to calm him down like a mother. I. was very maternal. If you go look at the. video, I was not mean. I was being very. kind and I could have gone in for the. kill. >> Right. But I didn't. >> Because you've argued lesbians should. raid raid home.

>> I was thinking that. And he actually his. mother's lovely. And and and then. we had another interview where he said. Holocaust deniers don't mean to lie. He. got in big trouble for that. Every time. he talks to me, he says something. He. manages to come out with something. And. we were in his office once and he had. taken a picture. I'll never forget this, in Tiananmen Square jogging. He'd just. been over to China. And he also had a. photographer that followed him. everywhere like he was like Prince. Charles or something. And I and I was. like, why does he have a photographer. chronicling him? Like, what is he? Like,

the you know, the baby Jesus? What's. happening here? And the photographer. even was like, I can't believe this is. my life. Like, I have to chronicle this. this yo-yo. And um and he the picture of. him jogging in Tiananmen Square and I. sat down he he there was him on a. tractor, there was him like he was in. the Midwest but his. >> Kind of Kirstie Alley. >> Yes, and his shoes were like very. expensive on a tractor and I was like, okay, those are really expensive [ __ ]. shoes you got on the tractor in Kansas. And um and so it was cos playing like.

cos playing for It was like it was more. like Marie Antoinette. That's what it. felt like. And he was jogging in. Tiananmen Square. And I said, "Wow, that. picture." And he goes, "Oh, did you like. it?" I go, "Oh, no. No, no, no." And I. studied China propaganda in college so. and I finished college. And I said, "No, you just handed the Chinese Communist. Party an incredible advantage there. because you're jogging in Tiananmen. Square." And he goes, "Well, everyone. thought it was a great picture." I'm. like, "Everyone who works for you. thought it was a great cuz they have to. tell you that because you pay them.". Like, I don't get paid by you, but I'm.

here to tell you, one, you. in China right now, there's a really. serious pollution issue killing. children, and you were jogging, so it. looks like it's healthy in Beijing. Life. is not healthy in Beijing for most. people at that moment that was. undergoing a real controversy, but they. tamp it down in China. And so, I was. like, "So, you're showing how healthy it. is to be in China, and it is not healthy. being China." And I had just been there, and I was at Great Wall, and there was a. lot of smog. And I said, "This smog is. terrible. It's obscuring the thing." And. they go, "Fog." I go, "Oh, no, smog.".

This is me arguing with the Chinese, my. attendant. And they're like, "No, it's. fog." And I go, "No, I live in [ __ ]. San Francisco. This is smog. We have fog. in San Francisco. You have smog, which. is pollution." And it was like this back. and forth. So, I said, "You just gave. them like a a PR victory, and I'm sure. they showed it because you're the famous. rich American thinking it's safe enough. to jog." And I said, "And then, of. course, Tiananmen Square." And he goes, "What's wrong with that?" I go, "Oh my. god.". And I said, "Let me help you cuz I think. you were 12 at the time, but there was a. guy with a briefcase, there were tanks.".

He kept moving. It was a whole symbol. I. said, "Tiananmen Square." And I was. like, "You just completely gave If you. understand propaganda, you just handed them a great one." And. he's like, "Well, I don't agree with. you." I said, "You don't have to, but. you're a [ __ ] idiot to take that. picture. Like, you just handed them a. great thing, and they're thrilled. because you want to do business there, and that's fine, but don't be an idiot. with what just happened.". >> What do you make of. Peter Thiel's side hustle in giving.

lectures about the Antichrist? >> I I just I don't know what to say about. it. It's crazy. He's crazy. Now, let me. tell you, Peter Thiel's very smart. I I. will give him that. I read all his. books. He was he has been consistently. who he is throughout. >> A crazy person. >> sort of cos playing liberals, but they. weren't. He was always conservative. He. was always had some, you know, I I would. say religious, yes. Um, you know, and he's become more so. over time. Um, and so I think he's he's moving into.

delusions, I suspect, which often. happens when people get You know this. They get very religious. You know more. than I. But it seems like these people. aren't satisfied to be good at what. they're good at, which is making money. or creating technology. Now they have to. Like Bill Ackman talking about DEI. I. don't give a [ __ ] what he thinks about. T. What is What is What is he wandering. over here for? Now he Now he's like. arguing with one of his employees and. his family office. >> with his posts that are like that The. tweets are just insane. >> Jeff, you will understand. He wasn't.

hugged enough as a child. That really gets down to it. But it's. like why do they think they can comment. on everything? I sort of want to be. like, I feel like I'm going to do a 20's. part series on hedge fund investing, of. which I know nothing. And I think I'll. do that. I feel like I'm qualified. But what which is to say I have no. qualifications, just to pontificate. And. they just can't stop. They They got a. taste of fame. And now they want to, you know, they. want to talk about this. In Peter's. case, I genuinely think he's religious.

You know, except he's moved into that. sort of. charismatic Catholicism, which a lot of. JD Vance is down that road and everybody. else. >> religiously abused. I think there's a. distinction between people who are. religious and then people who have been. religiously abused. Like children that I. grew up around, my peers growing up were. told. >> Yeah. >> you're born bad, you're bad, you have to. be saved, demons are coming for you if. you make a bad choice, it's the devil.

And I think that is abuse. I think that. is child abuse to tell this young, beautiful, open-minded little brain that. they're inherently bad and this is the. only route to salvation. And I think. that's the through line between like the. Peter Thiel to J.D. Vance to a lot of. the people in the MAGA base. >> J.D. Vance clearly. You read his book. Even if you don't believe half of it, he. was hurt as a child. That's That's the. message, right? Something happened back. then. And clearly issues with his mom. and clearly with his father and.

everything. It's It's It's a very. unfortunate. sad That's the sad part of him, really. And instead of like using that to sort. of become a better person, he takes it. out on the world, right? And that's so. typical. That's such a typical thing. And what's interesting is all of them. are at cross purposes with the actual. Pope. The actual Pope thinks they're a. bunch of [ __ ] right? >> Right. >> And so I'm like, if you're Catholic, the. Pope's kind of the top, wrong. But we. don't like this Pope. We want a. different. And so they're plotting.

against. >> an [ __ ] Pope. >> Right, they're plotting against this. >> ask you this. I have had this premise. that I think that the American public is. very codependent with wealthy people. >> Very much so. >> And we attribute characteristics to them. that they have not earned. Like one. example is Elon Musk. He's a genius. Well, just because he has put together. deals is are there aspects of him that. are intelligent? Of course, there's. aspects to you that are intelligent. >> risk-taking. >> etc. But we attribute that these people.

are. >> by extension. >> Einstein level IQ. And then they start. thinking, well, I'm going to colonize. Mars. And Jeff Bezos wants a rocket. ship. And then they think they're the. experts on everything. And I think we. have American public has enabled. >> Well, we've always had an idolatry of. innovators, haven't we? We sort of Right. back to Ben Franklin, right? I mean, and Einstein Not Einstein was a was an.

amazing person, right? As it turns out. But Edison, kind of an [ __ ]. >> Mhm. >> Henry Ford, fascinating entrepreneur, did amazing. things around mechanization and and the. and the how to manufacture things and. the car, stone-cold anti-Semite. Right? >> Right. Racist. >> Like right. >> So that's the problem is that we give. them all this power and then they use it. for the problem. Or Charles Lindbergh, >> Right. >> amazing flyer, did innovations in.

aviation, stone-cold anti-Semite and. Nazi-adjacent, right? So. >> Like Elon Musk. >> Right, exactly. And so what's. interesting about that is that why do we. give why do Again, we have to sort of. look at ourselves. And I do think that. in this country there's an aspirational. aspect to wealth, right? >> Yeah, definitely. >> If they're rich, they must be. >> smart, wise. >> Right. >> That Elon is smart, there's no question. Is he smarter than. the nurse I know? I don't think so. >> Right. >> It's just a different She doesn't just. make the money. And I think one of the.

things I often say is you to some of. them when they're, you know, "Oh, well, I did this. I did that." I'm like, "You're so poor, all you have is money.". >> Yeah. >> You know, and that's the thing. And I. think that's probably a disease of this. country more than it is. And so they. take advantage of that that money. equates with goodness and it just never. It doesn't. >> It really doesn't. >> we have the opposite mythology around. that rich people are empty inside, which. is also not true, right? By the way, you. >> And I think or poor people must be. stupid.

>> Right. >> No. Some are. Some rich people are stupid. and that's the problem. >> Okay, I want to ask you your new show. >> Yeah. >> Do you want to live forever? >> No. No, that's the joke. It's a joke, obviously not. No, I'm What I was trying. to do and it did equate from all these. people. They really do. think they're better. Like they think. they're better and so they're doing all. this life extension. And it started with. my dad dying when I was five. And it was. really very mo- it was a very important. moment. Anyone who has a has a parent. that dies at a young age really has.

issues. Like very not just trauma and. and I don't I'm not I don't dwell in it, but you definitely become highly. functional, you're aware of death, it. motivates you. And Steve Jobs did a. speech between his illnesses that I. loved where he talked about death being. a motivator. And I agree with him. It. helps you understand that that that. mortality is one of the great fuels for. you to understand that you only have a. limited time, so you might as well get. cracking, right? And so I like that. What it morphed into with a lot of these. tech people.

as they started getting wealthier, they'd started body hacking. They. started doing all manner of things and. it was so narcissistic. It was so it. wasn't about making the world a better. place. It was making their body a better. place. And I'm like, you understand the. meat sack is going. it's going at some point. You got to get. Let me just nothing you can do. And. Scott Galloway was always like, "Biology's undefeated." It really is. Guess what? You know, ashes to ashes. It's actually quite accurate. Um and so. I was sort of fascinated and I don't.

mean to say that you shouldn't try. you know, there's been a lot of this. merging your health span and your. lifespan. I believe in that. You. shouldn't be have a have a health span. of 65 and then a lifespan to 80 and then. be sick those 2 15 years. >> Right. >> We should make that smaller. But why not. for the rest of us? And I was trying to. sort of go into it and then at the same. time the overlay of all these wellness. grifters online, which has created like. >> like like you must buy this $70,000 red. light thing. >> Right. >> for your skin. And it's not going to.

just it's not going to just reduce. inflammation, it's going to take you. home, make you dinner, and walk your. dog. >> What? >> Like and so I was and you know, it was. it's just your classic grifter. And back. in the '20s there were you know, or the. traveling salesman that were Oh, if you. take this pill, this elixir, you will. have eternal life. And it's such a it's. such a meme that goes on throughout our. history. Way back to Ponce de León, fountain of Youth, we're going to find. it. And it's these shortcuts and. instead what really gives us longevity. are two things. One is basic practices.

that start early on and they're boring. and they don't cost money. Good eating, good sleep, good exercise. And there's and that changes a little. bit over time, but it's pretty much the. same as for a long time. Some things we. get wrong, some things we get right. You. know, how you eat whole foods, get away. from processed foods. It's pretty basic. Get good sleep. You don't have to. monitor all the time, but then now they. have to monitor all the time. It's a lot. of information without a lot of wisdom. >> Right. >> Right? Like 10,000 steps, what? What do. you mean What is And what? Well, you did.

10,000 What What's the benefit? Can you. tell me what what it does? And so one of. the And then and then they go, "Oh, wait. a minute, just walking 30 minutes after. dinner actually helps better." Well, grandma knew that. Like anyone knew. that. And so it was a lot of trying to. take your health and your health. information and sell it back to you, which I find offensive. Like And so I. was like, "What works? What actually. works in these practices? What do we. need to do as a society? Because like. American society, we pay $15,000 per.

capita. on health. Europe pays six to seven. We. are at the bottom of every rung. We pay. double for the bottom. Why? Why is that? And there's lots of reasons. Why aren't. we getting our bang for the buck? One is. universal health care. We need I'm. sorry. I don't know what to tell you. It's not communist. >> Right. >> We are It's capitalist to say we need. universal health care cuz we're paying. for the last part of life when everyone. has obesity and hypertension and. everything else that is totally. preventable over here. Um and then I.

looked at So I looked at the grift in. the social media step part of it and the. insurance and and that kind of stuff. But one of the things that's important. is all these incredible at the same time. incredible medical breakthroughs, GLP-1s. Let's really test them. Let's. figure out if everyone needs to take it. so we can get rid of obesity and then. follow it with nutrition and exercise. guidelines for everybody. It will save. so much money. Like it's crazy. Um mRNA vaccines, right? So politicized. They started off as a vaccine for.

cancer. Can you imagine having a vaccine. for cancer? This Not just the cost, but. the pain and the suffering. Ugh. You. know? Yeah. You have to get hit by a. bus. You're not going to die in this, you know, which that had just happens. Accidents happen. That kind of thing. Um. And and that's the kind of stuff. So. mRNA vaccines, gene editing is really. interesting. Can we get I I interview uh. about sickle cell anemia with CRISPR. We. There's There's a cure of this thing. It. just costs $2 million a person. How do we get it down so that we can.

just eradicate sickle cell and it's like. eradicate You know why we don't? Cuz. it's a poorer population. It's an. African-American population. If Elon Musk got sickle cell anemia, it'd be cured yesterday. That kind of. stuff. And so, that's what I wanted to. get into. What's real and what's just. nonsense. Like hyperbaric chambers. I. bet you've been in one, haven't you? >> Never. >> Good. Don't. >> My mother. >> Unless you have a wound or the deep. >> My mother has long told me. all of that stuff is a racket, darling. If they could bottle up what exercise.

does for your body and put it off put it. on the shelves, that's it. It would fly. off. Ex- Exercise your whole life. And I have. I have lived by that. And I don't eat. super late at. She is fantastic. She's 83. She. exercises every day. >> probably did before. >> did. Her whole life. >> one thing I came away with everyone's. like, "What's the trick?" Like everyone. wants a trick and a shortcut. And I'm. like, "Here's the trick. Don't be poor.". That's one. >> Right. Or be rich. That's even better. >> You live even longer cuz you avail. yourself to better water, better food,

better health care. It's just. inevitable. Better clothes, better this. And the second one is friends and. family. Like the scientific links are so. clear. Not just Not people you know, people you don't know. connection, uh. community. It used to be church, you. know, which got. got toxic where you live, but sometimes. I can be a really wonderful. >> Definitely. >> There's community, there's doing things. that are different, trying things, meeting people. And. and it sort of dovetailed into my. absolute worries about chatbots, especially with kids, but not just kids,

adults. These are sycophantic, synthetic. relationships. of seamlessness. This is bad for our our cognitive. >> health. And at the very end, I create a. creature that is me, a charatar, and and. that's really scary. Is that what's. going to endure? They're going to create. these characters of all of us, and. there's plenty of stuff out there. We. can create one of you. Is that what you. want your great-grandchildren to meet? No, but. maybe you do. May- I kind of would have. liked to talk to a an avatar version of.

my dad, if it was possible. >> can see, yeah. >> Yes, but this is with AI, it's beyond. that. It's it's not just repeating. things, it's actually having a. conversation. And that's kind of. interesting, so you have to sort of talk. about that. And then the last thing is. robotics, which of course, you know, Elon's big into, you know, folding your clothes, whatever. But but there's all sorts of. exoskeleton stuff that's happening. Korea, for example, which is the. longest-living population in this world. right now, for a lot of reasons, nutrition, etc. Um but if you could have.

an exoskeleton, and as you know, when my. mom's 92, she can't get up. What if she. could get up? Like all the cascading. problems of being in a wheelchair. would go away. And if you could move. around, if you could get out in the. world. There's There's so many amazing. things that all of us should share, and. instead it's being used by a small group. of people for the benefit of themselves, and that drives me crazy. >> Okay, there's a guy that you. interviewed, Bryan Johnson. >> Oh my god, I'd love to see what he has.

posted, um. >> He had sex last night. >> biohacking, and he put this up, "Nighttime erection data from my. 19-year-old. son and me. His duration is 2 minutes longer than. mine. Raise children to stand tall, be firm, and be upright." This reminds. me of. >> I feel bad for that kid. >> Me, too. Little Moses Mike Johnson, the.

speaker of the house who's doing the. porn watching. >> with his son. >> with his son. This. >> That's the only thing I like about him, but go ahead. >> What is going on with this? Hosting. >> He's in the He's in the show. I talked. to Brian. I knew Brian before in the. before times. Again, someone who's. transformed themself. It's really. interesting to me with a lot of these. people cuz. Jeff Bezos did not look like what he. looks like now. >> Right. >> And I'm all for working out. Something. else is happening here. When it's women,

they're body dysmorphia. Women when. they're changing, when they're doing. facelifts, whatever they happen to be. doing, it's body dysmorphia. When men. are doing it, what's it called? Body hacking. >> Yes. >> Cool. Like and I was like, "Okay, what's happening? What's happening with. this thing?" And I'm I'm kind of for it. at the same time when it starts to get. weird, >> Mhm. >> you're like, "Oh my god, they can't. stop." Right? They can't stop. The same. thing with, you know, Mark and his MMA. fighting. I'm kind of like, "Good for. you. You're hanging out with him." It's. kind of odd, but okay, good.

>> Yeah, whatever. >> You were shooting buffalo before, so. that's what you did that for a period of. time. Actually, kind of intro He kind of. does embrace some of the try to do. different things. criteria. Um but but. it's it's odd when they're doing these. things. And Brian is sort of the perfect. example of that. And he was I met him a. long time ago when he had his company, and then he came to my conference in. 2017 and talked about brain health, which was really interesting. He. suffered from depression for a decade. He was looking into what you could do.

around AI and brain health. I thought. that was fantastic like great. exploration. Put some money to it, help. rest of us, etc. etc. And instead he did. this. And and my argument with him and. listen, everyone should I'm from San. Francisco. You want to marry a goat, go. for it. It's all great Well, I don't. really like that, but and and that I do. judge that. Don't marry a goat. Yeah, leave the [ __ ] goat alone. It's. consensual and it's never consensual to. goat. And so. it isn't. Let's be clear. And and so.

I'm fine if he wants to do this, but to. put it out there like he's helping. humanity, there you cannot have an. experiment of one that will help you, Jennifer, that will help a person in. Sudan. You just can't. So then it has to. be what it is, which is narcissism. And. then oh no, there's supplements. You know, or you have Peter Attia some. good advice. Guess what? There's. supplements and really grotesque. messages to Jeffrey Epstein at the same. time. So Brian is sort of an experiment. of one and so what does that do? I don't.

know. >> I just think that this is if we put the. science. >> dollars a year on that. >> If we put the science into erections. >> Mhm. >> Like the science they put into erections. has been outstanding. >> Outstanding. >> Outstanding. >> Yes, I know. >> We put that level of investment and that. level of efficiency into cancer, into. longevity, into obesity, we could all be a lot better. >> all be, but that that's not their. interest. Like I keep telling people.

everyone's like, "What's with these. guys?" And I go, "They don't care." And. they're like, "Yeah, yeah, but what?" I. go, they don't care. They don't care. They. want to. Listen to what they're saying. We want to get off this planet cuz it's. [ __ ] Why don't you know, watching. that Artemis thing the other day with. those beautiful words from all the every. those astronaut dudes were hugging. everything. They must have Maga must. have gone crazy all these woke. astronauts. Well, great. Right. they're. if that's woke, I'm thrilled with that. And by the way, the opposite of woke is.

asleep. >> Right. >> Um and. that was great. And what she was talking. about is we can journey, we can do all. sorts of amazing things. We'll have. things on the moon, but we always come. back to the Earth. And when you look. back on those beautiful pictures of the. Earth, the moon was cool, but the Earth. is beautiful. >> Yeah. >> You're like, why can't And I say this to. him. I'm like, why not give money to. stop poverty, >> Yeah. >> climate change, pollution that is. hurting and actually bringing longevity. down. Why do this? Why get all I get the.

idea of And I actually do believe it. We. have to figure out how to be a. multi-planet species, but there's so. much they could devote themselves to. that they don't. And because they're so. narcissistic. And the contrast this week. was um the ex-wife of uh of Jeff Bezos, MacKenzie Scott, who I love. I I've. known I met her a long time ago. She's. given away 6 7 8 million She can't give. it away fast enough. She keeps making. more money to give it away. She gives 70. million dollars to Meals on Wheels.

Do you know how many people that's going. to help live longer? >> My grandmother was on Meals on Wheels. >> Let me just say, that's effective. longevity. uh. helping longevity. That is effective. Healthy meals for the elderly, right? Healthy meals for kids. Healthy It just. You sit there and you're like, nothing This doesn't need to be hacked. It's pretty basic. And you have. You're a trillionaire. You can't spend that money in this. lifetime. And I say a lot of them. there's a famous movie um.

uh Moonstruck. Do you ever see it? >> Oh, yeah. >> And. >> Bruce Willis. >> And Olympia Dukakis's husband has an. affair on her. And she's very upset. about the mother. And I love Olympia. Dukakis. And she looks at him finally. and she goes, "Carmine, no matter what. you're going to do, you're going to No. matter what you do, you're going to. die.". And then she leaves. And I'm like, "That's what I say to him. No matter. what you do, you're going to die. So, what are you going to do? Like, what are you going to actually do. to help people with this astonishing. wealth that was made in part by. investments by the US taxpayer, the.

internet. Like, it's not about like and. and the fact they go into narcissism. drives me crazy when there's so many. strides happening. That's what's really drives me crazy. And our government should also be. involved, but it's not this government. >> No, this government. >> Not this This government's breaking. down. You see that, don't It was I right. when I told you that? >> You were right. >> Six months ago, I'm like, it's over. You. need to understand what's happening. here. >> Yeah, now it's over. And then recently, we were up against each other on a MAGA. Twitter feed.

>> Oh. >> I texted you about it for the It was a. bracket. >> Yeah. >> liberal hacks. >> Liberal hacks, yeah. >> And. >> Did you win, I think? >> you. I beat you. I made it to the second. or third round. So, I text this to Cara. >> Yeah. >> And I said, I'm up against you. Cara. sends me her vote. She said, I voted for. you. Good luck. >> yeah. >> And so, I advanced a couple rounds and. then Mehdi Hasan took me. >> Oh, of course. >> I think it's heading to like Mehdi and. maybe Don Lemon. >> Oh, that's a tough one. >> Don won. >> Yeah. >> Of course. >> told me. He said, "Jennifer, my arrest. this year, I'm probably going to win.

that." He said, "I'm I'm going to win.". >> to get arrested. I can see you getting arrested. >> Could you? >> Yeah. Have you been arrested? >> Never. >> I'll have my hot criminal defense. husband come bail me out. >> Really? >> Yeah, he's a criminal defense lawyer. >> I think you could be arrested. I think. that might be good for your brand. >> Send that out. >> it's good for your brand. It's good. Get. out there. >> There. Chain yourself to a wall or. something. I've been arrested. >> And then I'm going to And then after. that, I'm going to start charting my. orgasms and. >> Yes, guess guess what I got arrested. for? >> What? >> Talking back to the police. >> Oh, no surprise there.

>> But, let me ask you a question I ask. every single person who ends up in this. series. I ask when we string them. together. And by the way, Brian Johnson. had the best answer. >> Okay. >> How do you want to die? >> Um. how? I would probably say in my sleep. Mhm. Okay. You know, I would like to be. healthy, all of the things, go to sleep. one night, and then that just be the. end. I wouldn't want to know what was. happening in advance. >> Right. >> I would I would not want any pre-warning.

about it. >> want to experience it. >> Death? >> Yeah. >> No. >> Why? There's a very famous quote, death. death is best cuz it's last. >> Yeah, I don't think I want to experience. it because I associate death. just initially is kind of suffering. >> But, it's not. >> Some sort of suffering. >> It's the one thing you don't know. >> That's right. >> So, it's really interesting what people. want to die. Well, a couple different. ways. There's When I ask that question, some people think tell me about their.

two. >> Multiple ways. >> Yeah. And I do. I do. >> Okay. >> A lot of people tell me about their. funeral. I don't didn't ask that, but. they tell me that. That's their answer, which is really interesting. Some people. tell me uh you know, they just want to. sleep. They want to be surrounded by. friends and family. Lots of different. things. A pair of this woman who was a. twin said, "My twin and I want to be um. uh shot out of a cannon and then shoot. each other." I love that one. That was. fantastic. I was like, "Not expecting.". Um everyone has a different thing. Um. and what was really interesting to me. was the way people thought about it cuz.

it's the one thing we don't think about. Like, we try not to think about. And one. of the great interviews I do with is. with this doctor, I mean, excuse me, this professor from Skidmore, where he. he looks at death acceptance versus. death fear. Death fear leads to. partisanship, polarization, hatefulness toward the other, all manner. of things. Death acceptance leads to. community. We're all in it together. We. are part of one being. We are going back. to one being. It's not You don't have to. be religious to understand. >> Right. >> And so, death acceptance is really quite.

healthy. It's a very And we it's the one. thing that everybody does that we prefer. not to think about. And it's a really. interesting thing. So, I had several. One was in the in the series I go, well, for my. my funeral I'd like to be cremated and. thrown in the faces of people I don't. like. And they go, "Cara." Like. Oh, what was that? Cara. Like kind of. thing, which I think would be kind of. cool. It's still I still like it. The. other was I was going to have a Viking. funeral. I have four kids. I wanted them. to learn archery. And then I put all my. stuff on a boat and they shoot the. arrows and then I go down like a Viking.

You know what I mean? >> Uh that's kind of badass. >> Kind of cool. I'll be dead, but it'd be. cool. It would be It would be a visual. that everyone would enjoy. >> Very dramatic. >> social media beautifully. Cara. >> Totally. Right after I tweet my orgasm. >> Right exactly. And then the last one, Steve Jobs when he died, his sister was. this he when he met later cuz he was uh. adopted. Um but the parents went on and. had another kid and didn't go back and. get him, which was a very. very moment thing for him, you know, a. very empty space for him. Although he. had very good adopted parents.

Um and when he died, his sister turned. out to be Mona Simpson, an amazing. writer of of of novels, an astonishing. writer. And um he got very close to her. after he met her. And and she was there. at his deathbed. And he looked up. apparently and said, "Wow oh wow." As he. as he died. Which surrounded by friends. and family. And I was thinking, did he. stage manage? Cuz he did that all the. time. One one more thing. He That was. his famous thing. One more thing. But. and then he'd tell you. But he did one. more thing and didn't tell us. Like he's.

like, "Wow wow." Like, "What?". And then he died. Like we don't know. what the wow oh wow was. So I thought. okay, that was kind of cool and he kind. of left us all on the edge. I kind of. would like I know it sounds crazy. I've. surrounded by friends and family. I have. a big family. And everyone's there. And. I go, "Oh, you're kidding me." And then. you die. And they'd be like, "What?" And you'd be. like, "Oh, I cannot What?" And then. boom. >> I like all the drama surrounding your. death. >> I know it's good, right?

>> It's good stuff. >> what's going to happen? >> my answer is just so boring and. horrible. it's. >> No, it's not. Just in my sleep. >> But think about it. That's But that's. what you want. That's great. Everybody. should But think about it. At least. >> to think about it. >> Because you know what it makes you think. about when you're thinking about death? You're thinking about your life. >> Right. >> And and if you're wasting time, there's. a very famous Shakespeare quote, I waste. time and now doth time waste me. >> Right. >> That's correct. That's right. So, if you. only have There is a number of minutes. you have. We never think about that.

What if you knew the number of minutes? What would you do differently? >> Yeah. >> Well, there are a number of minutes. You. just don't know the number. And so, that's what I'd like to think about. And. that's what Steve Jobs really did. He He. knew time was limited and therefore and. finite. It wasn't infinite even no. matter what these bros do, you're not. living forever. And so, maybe you could preserve your brain in. some way. Maybe cryo someday will work. Maybe you could. You can't preserve what is in essence. about a human no matter what you do.

This meat sack we're all carrying. around. And so, what are you going to do. in the time you have here? And that's I. think what I was trying to get to, right? >> Yep. >> If you knew, what would you do? And that's a dinner party kind of. conversation that everyone has. But. everyone should have a different journey. and that's fine to fall in your sleep. >> Yeah. >> You know? >> Although I like the Viking stuff. Cara. >> to think more creatively. >> I do. I'm going to report back to you. >> Something with this. >> Yeah, with my pink cowhide. >> with your Maybe be wrapped in your pink.

cowhide. >> Exactly. >> Something like that. >> Smoking a cigarette. >> Sick smoking a cigarette, yeah. >> Yeah, I haven't smoked in 20 years, but. I did quite enjoy it. Did you? Yeah, maybe I'd like to die so. >> Let me tell you one more story about my. grandmother. When she was dying, she was. a very giving to everybody. Like one of. those people was a little too Like. everyone she so. Not solicitous. She took care of her man. her She was Italian, very much an. Italian wife and selfless I would say. for a long time. But toward the end she. got real selfish. Like suddenly her mind. changed. It might have been cognitive. everything else. She didn't lose her.

mind at all, but she got sort of mean, which is I kind of liked. I was like, "Yeah, you need to be mean cuz you've. been far too nice your whole life.". >> Yeah. >> And all she would eat was um donuts, chicken wings, and black coffee at the. end. Right? That's all she'd eat. And I would. go see her and take care of her and. everything cuz she took such good care. of me. And I said, "Grammy, you should. have some lettuce or broccoli or. something." And she goes, "Am I going to. get better?". And I said, "No." And she goes, "Okay.

I'm not going to have that." And I was. like, "Okay." And at the end of her. life, when she died, um. we took a chicken wing cuz I one time I. came home and she was on the floor. eating chicken wings cuz she fell and. she just was eating all the chicken. It. was great. She was just like, "I fell. I'm going to eat the chicken wings." cuz. she was getting them out of the. refrigerator. So, when she died, we. wrapped a chicken wing around in in foil. and put it under her knee because she's. in the coffin and we're like, "Oh, this. will be good. She can't reach it." And. um and we buried her with a chicken. wing. >> Aw. Kara Swisher, I love this conversation.

I love meeting you in person. >> This is great. Now we're going to be. best friends. >> Yes, even better best better watch out. Okay, so premiering Saturday, April 11th. at 9:00 p.m. on CNN. Kara Swisher. >> Thank you. And we'll have a party with. Scott, our our sidekicks, right? Yes. Yes. We'll do that. >> Or are we their sidekicks? Well, we'll. figure it out. Yeah. I mean, we're the. stars. They're the co-stars. Obviously. Hello. Okay. Hello. >> All right. Thanks, Kara. Thank you.