IHIP News: EXPERTS Warn of Trump's Fast DECLINE & MAGA PANICS to Pick SUCCESSOR! The Cult is DYING!

Welcome to IHIP News. Today I am joined. by Jason Stanley. He is a professor of. American studies and philosophy at the. University of Toronto's Monk School. He. is the author of several books including. Erasing History: How Fascists Rewrite. the Past to Control the Future. That. seems relevant. And also How Fascism. Works, which seems incredibly relevant. considering I think we're living in the. epicenter of it. Jason, how are you. today?

>> Uh, decently, decent. And how are you? >> Well, yeah, hanging in there. I think. it's really important. I want to always. bring on experts on my channel so that. our listeners can be armed with facts. and expertise as to what is happening. You probably saw over social media and. in the news that ICE executed another. American citizen and seemed to offer no. help afterwards, unloaded 10 bullets. into him. From your area of expertise,

are they priming the public for. something here? Is this prop is this use. of force intentional? >> Oh, well, I mean, I'm not sure how you. would describe intentional. It's fully. expected, right? I mean, you can't uh. invade an American city with uh armed. goons, masked goons uh who have very. little training and preparation. Not. that there should be training and.

preparation for something like this, for. this kind of ethnic cleansing uh that. we're seeing. Uh but it's fully expected. and of course they knew this was going. to happen and it's part of a preparation. for uh for uh. gearing up trying to incite resistance. Uh and then they want to incite. resistance to get a big backlash uh to. perhaps invoke the insurrection act to. perhaps close down the midterm elections.

to just generally give a sense of. anarchy and chaos in the streets uh and. then give them license to crack down. It seems to me like this regime is. governing and uh doing things that they. think they're never going to be held. accountable for in the future and that. terrifies me. What are your thoughts on. that? >> Absolutely right and very accurate.

insight. Uh they are behaving like. Democrats will never be in power again. Uh they are behaving like public opinion. does not matter. So they are behaving. like they already have their. dictatorship on lockdown. That's the. goal is a dictatorship, a one party. state. Right now it'll be Trump who then. there will be some successor struggle. It'll be the next dictator. Uh Steven. Miller is very it's all seems very. explicit. They want to say that.

Democrats that uh that anyone who uh who. calls them fascists like you and I do. accurately uh is is a domestic terrorist. is is sort of in cahoots with uh with uh. motivating Americans to resistance. Uh. so they want a full one party. dictatorship. uh whether it's whether it's going to. continue to be led by a dictator like. Trump or not is something we're going to. have to see. But they seem to believe.

they have that done. I don't believe. they do. I think they have moved too. quickly. Yes. So I was speaking to your. colleague, our mutual friend Ruth Bengot. on this and I feel like if you really. wanted this to sink in, you would do it. incrementally. you would incrementally. get us to a place to where we didn't. really feel it. This is so jarring the. whiplash of this. He's only been in.

we're one year in Trump 2.0 and he's. moving so rapidly and I have a question. for you. He clearly has is in really. poor health. I mean you could see at. Davos the bruises are bad. I mean he's. kind of swollen like a bubble tick. And. um in this regime when the strong man. like if he were to have a stroke or if. he and he was in the ICU or if he were. to drop dead Jason are do you think. there's conversations about who the heir.

apparent is or is that is that like. never spoken about because he's. immortal? >> Yeah, great question. So uh so what we. uh what we have is we have a kind of. electoral autocracy as Ruth Bengat said. in on your show. Uh and the big problem. with autocracy with the kind of. dictatorship that the United States is. leaning into is the successor problem.

How do you appoint a successor? It's all. like a mess and a disaster and. reshuffleling uh when there's a. successor dispute, right? Uh and. sometimes those successor disputes um. roll into things things might turn into. a democracy. Uh other times it's just. like someone even worse. Uh so uh so the. true answer to your question is we don't. know. We do know that Trump is 79 that. that uh you know if he were 65 I think.

he would be in power for the rest of his. life and uh and the United States would. be you know would be a straightforward. dictator ruled country but he's 79 and. so since he's 79 you can be sure that. there are successor disputes happening. behind the scenes. this machine uh. thinks it's got the whole uh setup on. lockdown. They own the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is nothing but a.

device for keeping a far-right. dictatorship in power forever. So, uh so. they have good reason to think that. they're going uh that that they have. power on lockdown. But a successor uh. the successor struggle after a. dictatorship falls is always a period of. anarchy uh and it's it's never clear. what's going to happen afterwards. Uh. and this group um there they have uh.

varying levels of competence, right? So so you have some super competent. people like Russell vote, Brendan Carr. You see like the FCC is is you know. operating within legalistic parameters. to shut down the media to replace the. media to take it over. Uh so so Brendan. Carr very effective, Russell vote very. effective, but a lot of these guys are. not effective and not competent and so.

we're really going to uh for instance. you're still on the air. So uh so so. we're it's really unclear what's going. to happen uh with this kind of success. or struggle. Um they've got the Supreme. Court in their pocket. Uh they've got a. lot of uh they've got ice which is right. now I think comparable to the storm up. Thailand in the 1930s uh in in Germany. It's you know they're sucking up you. know Trump supporting uh uh UFC fans and.

uh and national fans. So uh so they've. got a lot of power uh but they also have. power nowhere near lockdown. Uh so I. don't know what will happen with the. successor dispute. Um competence uh the. with the varying levels of competence. point uh I don't think anyone knows. >> All right. So one of the titles of your. book is how fascists rewrite the past to.

control the future. And we're seeing. that happen within a 2hour time frame. right now. So you we've all seen the. video of Alex Prey. A woman gets shoved. down. He has his phone in his hand. He. goes to comfort the woman as an quote. unquote alpha male would, you know, go. to protect the marginalized. ICE agents. go bananas. They uh take his gun, which. he was he did not have holstered. And. I've seen all of this on video, multiple.

angles, and um immediately and then they. execute him. He was on his hands and. knees executed. And then they. immediately go out, call him a domestic. terrorist, just like they did Renee. Good. So you see them rewriting the past. 10 minutes later and this use of. propaganda speak to this as it relates. to this authoritarian regime. And of. comfort to me and my listeners is. knowing that this is a failed playbook. This is this this fascism, this.

authoritarianism is a thing we've all. studied in history and it always ends up. failing and not uh kindly worded in. history books. So, will you speak to. that? >> Well, I think what you're seeing from. Minneapolis is uh a massive resistance. movement that's giving the world uh. great courage uh because to stand up. against this uh fascist autocratic. regime, the most powerful uh regime in. the world with a uh with a goon squad uh.

that is funded alongside some of the. best funded militaries in the world. Uh. it's very heroic for the world to see. Uh so Minneapolis is really uh is really. representing and I think we can see that. they don't have the manpower to lock. down every American city. If we can have. Minneapolis in every American city in. response to these ICE invasions, uh then. uh then I don't think I don't see uh how.

they're going to succeed. Now they're. doing what every autocratic regime does. which is declare the truth. Uh so it's. very obvious. There's no connection. between their declarations and reality. Uh we know the road map they want. Steven Miller has laid it out. Uh NSM uh. uh 7 yes has laid it out. They want to. say that the opposition party uh is our.

domestic terrorist. that anyone who's. not wearing a MAGA hat is a domestic. terrorist. Uh now now that uh they've. gone too far. I mean I mean I. don't think they care about public. opinion because they assume they have it. all locked down. Uh but public opinion. is not going to go with them at this. point. You know, you've got to be pro. execution, pro murder. Uh and and I. think you know there there's a lot of. debate happening uh on social media.

where people are like uh where people. are like look uh black Americans have. been gunned down in an arbitrary system. of lawlessness for decades and decades. and decades for all of American history. and and now uh so this is really. American history we're seeing actually. this is classic fascism because fascism. so according to the imperial boomerang. thesis of ma cazair. Fascism is what. happens when you treat your colonial.

population with brutality and then it. gets generalized to everybody. We're now. seeing that generalization to everyone. We're seeing the brutal US system uh uh. legal system uh uh criminal legal system. being now deployed against uh protesters. being deployed against uh the regime's. opponents uh and uh and it is just uh. public opinion is really not going to go. with them. So, they're really making a a.

big daring uh uh move here to say we can. assassinate, you know, uh middle class. white people in broad daylight. We can. execute them uh and still do uh whatever. we want. Uh and I'm just not I'm I I. mean, you know, we will see. I think. it's really really uh unclear what will. happen, but this is not a super. competent regime. uh and uh and they've.

made a big play to just lay down, say, "Okay, we're just going to execute you. We're going to declare that you're a. terrorist, even if you're a middleclass. white person who is the treasured. element of American society and this. white supremacist regime. Uh and I just, you know, I'm I'm not I'm not seeing a. communication strategy.". >> I there's no question. What concerns me. is. for those of us that paid attention to.

the campaign, he ran on this. He very. implicitly ran on the enemy from within. at the MAGA rallies at the Madison. Square Garden one where it really had. was giving all these Nazi vibes. intentional by Steven Miller. The Nazis. had rolled out there. the the symmetry. with that in my opinion was intentional. to send to the white nationalists. We're. doing this. We're taking this over the. finish line. Mfers, we finally are going. to do it. And he ran and then the uh.

mass deportations now and they signaled. that they were doing that this and so if. we look at okay then why didn't people. see this? We look at the fall of the. media since Watergate and just I had on. CNN after the shooting of Alex uh uh. Prey and the Chiron at the bottom of the. screen Jason said uh DHS.

Prey was violently resisting arrest and. that was on the Chiron and I thought you. know what f CNN for that because that's. just for the casual news watcher they. see that and they go, oh, he was a. violent resistor by and they put the DHS. colon before it. So, from your. professional, like you've studied this, you're an expert in this. If you go. back, how big of a role did the sane washing. of the media play in priming the public.

for this? >> Oh, fantastic. The media was completely. complicit. constant normalization, constant sanewashing, basically, you know, uh the the you. know, the the New York Brett Stevens in. the New York Times published in December. uh column, no more never Trump. Uh you. know, uh the the uh in October 2020, Ross Daat published a piece in the New.

York Times, there will be no Trump coup. Uh the New York Times has elevated all. of the normalizers. They did bring MG. gas on which was really essential but. basically the media has been trying to. normalize and sanewash their o I I. noticed after the Davos speech my. journalist friends in Africa were all. passing around on social media uh not. that I'm a big social media person but. they're passing around on on uh. Instagram the one thing I'm uh uh a uh.

the the part about Somalian refugees uh. where Trump was at his most explicitly. racist, most extreme, most Nazi, most. unhinged. And that that clip was not. used, was not prominently featured. It. was total fascist white supremacist. um you know, extremity, extremism. But. it was just like that. You see even the.

legacy media here uh uh trying to. sanewash, trying to normalize, trying to. find reasons, writing as if there are. reasons. Uh now we've seen CBS CBS the. Ellison's have already taken over CBS. Barry Weiss who pioneered the culture. war side of Trumpism is a major major. figure in the this ide in in in the. ideological center of Trumpism. the. panic about critical race theory, uh,

all of those culture war structures, uh, she helped pioneer. She runs CBS. Now, why is that important that that CBS is a. Trump network, is a regime network now? because everyone knows not to site Fox. But if CBS says something now, CBS will. be sort of giving you this kind of, okay, we're we're giving you the sort of. official newsy news versions of things,

but it's going to be a Trumpified newsy. news version of things. So, you're going. to have the uh legacy media, the C CBS, the standardbearer network uh giving you. uh sort of neutral toned Trump versions. of things. Uh so, and we're going to see. that uh we're going to see more and more. networks fall into line like that. We're. already seeing Brendan Carr is a very uh. effective uh uh employer of the the.

structures. Um so uh so so we're. absolutely the the the the networks the. the one network that did call it like it. is was MSNBC MS now which was ridiculed. by the left by many of the left my. fellow leftists as uh uh MSNBC liberals. you know but they actually were calling. you know Joanne Reed medi you know these. figures were saying we face a fascist.

movement so We have to ask ourselves why. wasn't this taken. I think networks like. fell over themselves to try to provide. balance where all that was you know and. talk about polarization and bemoning you. know I mean look if you look at the. networks they completely paved the way. for Trumpism. uh they completely just. lay down a golden road. Yeah. Uh for the. attack on DEI, for the culture war, for.

the attack on universities. Uh the New. York Times just had oped after opad. about leftists on campus. Uh and and the. the encampments the encampments at Yale. were filled with my Jewish students. Uh. and again again the media represented. them as anti-semitic protests entirely. misrepresenting. what was happening and just going right. into uh this uh the sort of ideology of.

the Trump campaign. Uh hysteria about. DEI, hysteria about uh leftists on. campus as if they were the big threat, authoritarian threat. uh hysteria about. anti-war protests. Uh and so uh so I. think we will look back at the media as. deeply complicit as completely as you. said it was like these extremely clear. uh dog whistles like the Madison Square.

Garden rally which was intentionally. evocative of the Madison Square Garden. pro-Nazi rally in in February 1939. Uh. it was intent it was I I believe. intentionally. I mean how could it not. be? So right. >> all of that was was uh and then again. and again and again you know uh the. media just uh you know the media just. got you know it the the people who. normalized got elevated and the people.

who were calling it out as it is uh got. shunted aside as hysterics and that was. presented as maturity. And I would even argue as an armchair. historian, an observation that I see is. that the Trump administration, the Trump. regime is moving too quickly with. layering effects of competence that you. said, but the media has moved. incrementally. the media has really done the most. damage to the culture effect of like I.

will see people in my home state of. Oklahoma that will say well both. candidates were just terrible and I. don't like either side and it's this. horrible false equivalency that the. media long before Trump's descending on. that escalator you know they really. failed to cover the lie into the Iraq. War. I believe it was the New York. Times. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they rubber stamp that lie.

and it's their [ __ ] job. You're. journalists. You're supposed to you you. don't just believe the government. That's what Barry Weiss is going to do. But but it this has been a long march. and that's what scares me more because. the the media has incrementally. embedded the lack of critical thinking. and curiosity into the culture of the. American psyche. >> Yeah. I mean, if you if we we. look back at, you know, the med the.

media's role, the whole structure we're. seeing has a long history like, you. know, uh mass incarceration where the. United States is has the uh highest. incarcer has now the second highest. incarceration rate in the world behind. El Al El Salvador. But I mean, you know, uh can, you know, I mean, we have, uh, you know, the second highest. incarceration rate in the world, eight. times the, uh, incarceration rate of. Canada, uh, you know, uh, six to eight.

times the incarceration rate of any. European country. That was the media, uh, doing its, uh, its its kind of um, demagoguery about crime throughout the. '9s, for example. Uh, then we have the. media in the Iraq war. Uh then we had uh. then then we had all the post 911 stuff. So all of these antecedants uh are. building up. They've built up to the. current moment. Uh we had all this. essentially essential lawlessness. Lawlessness against our black American.

population, lawlessness against our. Muslim population. And uh and now you. know uh that has given us lawlessness. against anyone who disagrees with the. regime. And the media has simply, you. know, the media I don't know what. they've has it been selling papers. I. think it there's a desire to appear. sober and rational and and to make sense. out of what is happening, but there is. no like like you see this for example. when they try to rationalize Trump's.

reasons like well you know I mean the. fentinol moving from Canada to the. United States I mean it's madness. Trump's reasons have no connection to. his goals. He's just saying anything. And then the media is off trying to take. seriously what he's saying. And you. know, because they they're they're like, "Oh, it wouldn't be serious unless we uh. we uh we uh you know, acted like his. reasons had some relation to his goals.". So, no, I think the media I think only.

extremely recently uh has the media uh. gotten on board with what is happening. And I think then a lot of people just. you know just like you said like in. Victor Cleur's uh language uh language. of the Third Reich uh he talks about and. in in several of his works he talks. about how people just didn't take. Hitler's anti-semitism seriously in like. 1931 1932 1933 it was all for political. reasons. Uh and we're seeing a repeat of.

history. People think okay this stuff is. just for political reasons. I was in. Hungary in 2009 and 2010 in the summer. running summer schools and people like. oh and I was like I think this guy Orban. sounds really scary and people were like. oh no no no he just wanted to win an. election. Uh, so that just seems to be. it seems to be so baked in that kind of. denial seems to be so baked into people. >> And I just think that the through line.

here is how easily people are bullied. into caving on their conviction. The. media, the right-wing can go, "You're. not putting up both sides. Y'all are. crazy liberals and blah blah blah.". Instead of somebody at the newsroom. saying, "You're liars. Wealth never. trickled down. you're, you know, your. policies are racist and we will report. them as such. Bully us all you want to. like Medie Hassan did, like Joy Reid. did. And the same thing with the Marco. Rubio's and the JD Vances who had.

crystal clear clarity just eight, nine. years ago on Donald Trump who have now. done a complete 180. There's no. conviction. It's that's what's so. devastating for me is how many people. have no conviction. If I am a woman from. Oklahoma City that was an interior. designer and I have a channel and I can. stand up to these people fearlessly. every single day and all of these alpha. males and you know heads of media just. cave fold like cheap suits. It's so.

depressing. But talking about the. resistance, we have to leave our. listeners with hope. And rule number one. I believe is never obey in advance. and. will you tell us how we keep coalescing. and keep building this resistance to. this regime to save our country? >> So what we're seeing is a leaderless. movement and that's incredible. That is. wonderful because leaders they can. always co-opt as Carter G. Woodson said.

in his his uh uh his book um in 1931. this is a leaderless movement. This is. ordinary Americans saying, you know, we. don't want this to be us. Now, you know, the whole this is not us is a little. exaggerated because clearly a majority. of Americans did vote for Trump. So, but. uh it's up to us to clean this up. So, uh we are seeing a leaderless movement, people joining their local community. groups. We're seeing uh pastoral leaders.

uh we're seeing uh uh show up. We're. seeing uh rabbis travel to Minneapolis. Uh the we're we're seeing people join. local groups to defend immigrants. What. you need to realize right now is how you. know I've been disturbed at how the. media talks about what immigrants are. going through. My my father was a hidden. child for about a year in Germany in. Berlin in 1939 and it affected him for.

his whole life for for like eight months. between cast and July 1939. It affected. him his whole life. These kids who are. hiding from ICE, their kids and their. grandkids will be hearing about this. experience and we're not hearing about. their voices. This is terror that's. happening to generations right now. And. I am so heartened to see ordinary. Americans not backed by spineless.

Democrats, but actually just ordinary. Americans showing up, getting their. whistles, showing up for their. neighbors. Uh and and that's all that. needs to happen. They have gone way too. quickly. No one is buying this. They are. not going to win public opinion. They're. not even trying to win public opinion. Everyone right now has to say uh that. has to look in the mirror and say, "What. am I going to tell my children about.

this time? At least I can join my other. neighbors out there and protect my. fellow human beings.". >> Jason Stanley, thank you so much for. coming on. It is so therapeutic for uh a. nation that's being abused to hear from. experts and to understand what's going. on. And I hope that maybe you could join. me once a month because it's like a. balming sav. So I just cannot thank you.

enough. I really appreciate your. expertise and um hopeful friendship. moving forward as we keep fighting this. regime. >> Thank you for doing the work you do.