🚨 Hunter Biden UNLEASHES HELL on Trump and EXPOSES His Dad's BIGGEST FAILURE!

The single greatest. mistake of my father's administration. was the leadership of Merrick Garland. >> If Don and Eric called right now on your. cell [music] phone. >> The opportunity to punch either one of. them in the face. Okay, I believe that. the biggest problem in America it's. [music] the closetocracy as I call it. >> [gasps]. >> It is and I'm and I'm being totally. serious and I can do a list. Where the. where this cocaine was found number one. I wasn't even there but I told my dad. literally said stop cussing so much. [music] and I said it's your fault. It's.

I sit and listen to you. >> All right, joining me today on I have. news is Hunter Biden. He is an artist, an author, a recovery advocate and the. ringleader of the Biden crime family who. joins me today in studio in New York. Hunter, I am so happy to have you here. >> I'm so happy to be here. I'm such a huge. fan. I usually I really I don't get I no. longer get nervous doing these things. I. got a little bit nervous just because. I'm a fanboy. >> Oh, I love this.

>> Yeah. >> I love it. So I you've been making the rounds on. podcast lately which I love and you I. think in the last couple of days sat. down with Nick Fuentes. >> Yeah. >> How was that? >> It was fascinating. Fascinating. I had said. on another podcast it was after I did. Candace's show and asked me why did you. do that and one of the reasons that I.

wanted to do it is I think it's. for me I wanted to. do the things that make me really. nervous and and facing the people that. have. you know spread the most kind of. vitriolic. lies about me and my family was one of. the things I wanted to do and. they have this audience that I don't. fully understand. I don't I don't get it. and so I said on a podcast I said the. first thing I want to do is ask him why. he's such a Nazi.". >> [laughter]. >> Which is exactly what I did. Yeah.

>> Oh my god, what did he say? >> Um. he had a really um I don't want to give. [clears throat] too much away because I. because I I did say that I would kind of. let. each of us speak for ourselves. Um. but a really interesting um explanation. uh for some of the most. uh kind of horrific things, at least. from my perspective, that he said about. the Holocaust, about um African. Americans, about. uh. about a lot of other groups that at.

least I know I care about and I'm. positive that you do. Um what Nick told. me was that um. he attributed a lot of the most. egregious things that he's ever said or. professed to believe to youth and to. this thing which I didn't know that the. term, but he. educated me and so did and I it was at. the invitation of Andrew Callahan, who I. really like and I think is really smart. He's called edge learning. He said. basically it was a joke. He said, "How.

extreme can you be?" But it's all a. joke. And I said to him, I pointed out to him. that not a joke. to a lot of people who have suffered. from generational trauma that does not. just go back to even the Holocaust. This. stretches back 2,000 years. My wife is. Jewish, my son is Jewish. Um and it's deeply, deeply offensive. And I said to him, "I just don't. understand. what it is that I because I look at you.

in the eye and I I know you don't. believe it.". He said, "I don't. It was a joke.". And um and then watch it. It's really, really fascinating. And I'm not even remotely letting him. off the hook, but my general thinking. going forward is is that. I'm going to talk to every one of these. people. And not just because we find common. ground and they all hate Trump now, but. because like go into the lion's den. I. mean, one of the things that Charlie.

Kirk said in uh when he was on Gavin. Newsom's show, he's like, "None of you. guys on the left ever come on these. podcasts because you're all scared.". Well, part of it is I'm not. scared. It's like, "Bring it." You know what I. mean? Let's like engage because this. idea that I'm platforming, you know, um. yeah, Candace Owens or Nick Fuentes, they have these massive platforms. >> I. >> [gasps]. >> And I want to be able to, you know, potentially see the humanity. And Nick.

Fuentes is an extreme extreme example of. that. And um and I 100% am as offended. by the things that he said in the past. as everybody else, if not more. Particularly for me as it relates to the. things that he says about race. But it was a really really fascinating. conversation and it it's worth to watch. >> Uh [snorts] there were rumors online. that you almost got into a fight with. him. Not true? >> Not true.

>> Oh god, I really wanted that to be true. >> [laughter]. >> You know, if I had a publicist, maybe. that I would have told them to like. spread that, but no. No. >> Okay. What about Candace? Did you talk. to Candace about Brigitte Macron? Did. you Did that ever weave its way in? >> Oh, yeah. >> It. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]. She put the Brigitte Macron doll right. over my shoulder, which I didn't know. until the end. Go watch the thing again. Just go You don't have to Don't watch. the whole thing, but go watch the thing. again. There's that. Brigitte Macron. >> [laughter]. >> And by the way,

another example, the things that she has said in the. past, and forget about um the just the. the the generally offensive as it. relates to, you know, whether you're. left or right or whatever the hell you. are, just generally offensive if you're. a human in some instances, is um the things she said about me. >> Right. >> and. and I went there because I just felt. like. that it. we are refused to see the humanity and.

I'm I'm I'm guilty of this myself. >> Oh, me, too. >> Yeah, it's like [laughter] I can't like, you know, and by the way, like. Melissa, who you just met, like that's. what I was saying. What did she You've. gotten me in trouble. Because she is I mean. she is. I'm. I'm. I'm I'm sure without my knowledge she. has an AK-47 somewhere. >> [laughter]. >> in the [snorts] house that is hidden.

and wants to take out a lot of really. mean mean people. >> Yeah. >> I I'm joking everyone. That's not true. My wife is. >> I I personally really like that you are. talking to these people because for. years. we heard about Hunter Biden Hunter. Biden's laptop the Biden crime family. and on and on and on when Donald Trump. uh provoked January 6th attacks because. your dad beat him by seven or eight.

million votes and he couldn't stomach it. and he packed his toys up and he left. the White House after he you know, unleashed all of these people, these. low-level offenders where you know, like. Jenny Thomas, the wife of Clarence, no. accountability for her and she was a. planner of it. And they just went on and. on and I remember living in Oklahoma. City, I was texting with this client. He's a physician, educated doctor. orthopedic surgeon. This is back when I. was in doing interior design. And he had. sent me some article about your family.

and I responded like, you support Trump, you have no credibility in any of this. And he responded to me, well, Hunter. Biden is a drug addict. And I responded, so is my husband, so are many many. people I love and I bet there are people. in your family that are alcoholics and. drug addicts. That really pisses. me off. >> That's why I love you. >> And it really pissed me off that. that because addiction is something that. affects MAGA, uh moderates, people that sit on their.

sofa and don't vote, liberals. It. affects everybody. And so the fact that. they tried to exploit your addiction. when many of them probably have an. addiction or in the or are in the closet. or some other some up skeleton. that they have. The fact that you're. going into these spaces, I like it. I'm like, yes, I'm so glad. you're confronting them. So when they're. browbeating this laptop thing, are you. sober during this time? >> Yeah, 100%. So. >> How did that affect your sobriety? >> I I was um I kind of um.

gave myself this like protective womb uh. between the when I got sober and the I I. got sober June of 2019. So I'm 7 years. sober. >> Okay. >> And um. and the. complete destruction in public uh. uh. humiliation that I then was put through. from that point on. Um the laptop and. all the things and prosecutions and.

everything. It was um it devastating but what I. stopped doing I I stopped reading all of. the things that people were saying and. not until I started to do this. did I realize that a. a a a lot of people, not just people on. the right, but a lot of people had. conflated my addiction that ended in. June of 2019 with the entire time my dad. was uh in in office. Right. >> and nobody knew that I was sober for 7. years.

And the. that was shocking to me. It was really. shocking to me. But the other thing that was the what. you just pointed out. The single biggest reason that I'm doing. what I'm doing is because I figured out. one thing. Is that they created this. platform for me. They tied me to a post. They threw their fruits and vegetables. at me and they let me on fire and then. they whipped me and at the end of the. day the fire went out, the crowd went. home, but I was still had a platform and.

I was still standing. And what I realized was is that. everybody that I talked to publicly um. about anything or that would come up to. me because now being the most famous or. infamous, whatever word you want to use, addict in the world was they came to. tell me their own story. Like how I know about Josh's story. >> Right. >> And there isn't a person. in this country that does not know. and and have a a deep personal.

connection to someone that hasn't. suffered from uh addiction in some way. 50 million Americans on any given day. are um uh still sick and suffering from. addiction or struggling with their. recovery. 50 million. >> Yeah. >> And you realize it's the great connector. and it's the thing that very, very, very. few people talk about openly. And I'm. not blowing smoke for real, one of the. reasons why I love the way that you and. Josh talk about it is because people. need to hear it and realize that you can.

still have a fulfilling career and and a. and and it's it's so strange though that. people are like oh my god when you know. they all they got to go is to go back to. their house. >> Right. >> and check in on their, you know, 22-year-old or check in on their husband. or check in on their their mom or their. dad or the house that they grew up in or. their boss or their best friend and. they're going through the same thing. It's a it's a really it's been a really, really beautiful experience in that. And.

it doesn't matter if you're, you know, mega, and it doesn't matter if you're, you know, uh. uh uh. crazy liberal like me, but it um it. affects us all. >> Did you go to rehab in 2019? >> No. Uh well, let me see. >> How many times have you How many times. have you been to rehab? >> that's why That's why I had to stop and. think. Um nine. >> Okay. How many of those nine did Joe. Biden show up for family week? >> Um.

ish. No, you know what? My dad did not. come to family week. And the reason that. he didn't come to family week because. the the first one I went to was in. Antigua, and they didn't have a family. week. I went to that Eric Clapton one. It's a It's a really basic one. It's. called Crossroads. It was It was a great. rehab. And um sounds fancy, but it. wasn't fancy at all. And um. but then, beginning when I did my like. my real. my real stretch, when I relapsed in. 2010, and then just was cycling in and.

out. Um. uh he was either vice president or or. had been vice president. So, showing up. at family week was just. I mean, beyond distraction. But, >> [gasps]. >> you know, I talk to my dad every day. He's been the most. uh. uh. I mean, he's just an incredible. incredible father. I say to people, regardless of what you think about his. politics or. his presidency, he I can.

completely 100% say without. uh and really mean it, he's the best. father I've ever heard. read about, the best father I've ever. seen in fiction. He's. I He is truly incredible incredible dad. >> I. that my favorite moment of your dad's. was when he was debating Trump on stage. And Trump said something really. disparaging about you on the national. stage. You know, Hunter's a drug addict.

And your dad just. in the most human. >> [snorts]. >> fatherly way, not a presidential way, not a politician, said, "He's my son. Yeah. And I love. him." And from somebody who has loved. somebody who's an addict, it immediately. connected me to him because loving an. addict is painful. It hurts. It hurts so. much to love an addict. And it's a real. mind because love is supposed to. feel good. But when you love an addict, it rips.

through you. And many times I thought, "I wish I were the addict so I didn't. have to feel this sober." That's. how bad I hurt. So when your dad said. that, I remember just like, "Oh my god, what a moment for, you know, addiction and recovery." And. then I also thought, "Dumb and Dumber, that's what I call. Eric and Don Jr. They'll never know what. that feels like. They'll never know what. having a man. on stage. completely rejected all the shame that.

Trump tried to put on him about you.". And just showed unconditional love. It's. my favorite moment of all your dad's. long, long, long career because it just. touched me so much. No, he had called me. before that. And I said, "Dad, he's going to go after. you on me." And you know, and. and I. and I and he said to me, he said, "Honey, don't like I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. I'm putting you through this.".

And I anyway, there was this ongoing I. mean, I put it from the outside, but I. thought it was a joke. You know, I get. on the phone with him. I'd say, "Dad, I'm really sorry." And he'd say, "I'm. really sorry." We'd go back and forth. But. >> [gasps]. >> you know, I think that that was my dad's. and and. greatest superpower. and also the this singular thing that. differentiated him from not just other. presidents, but almost every president. is um. is his deep deep authenticity as it.

relates to um. uh. the way in which he cares about his. family. And um and. you know, uh. when you go into the whole issue of the. pardon and all the other things that. people want to um. always know about, and understandably. But just as a just as a father as a son. watching that, it was. it broke my heart.

Broke my heart that he had to defend me. >> And then [snorts]. in reverse, he felt like if I wasn't in. public life. >> It wouldn't you wouldn't be going. through this. >> When you're when the pardon thing came. out, this is where. my husband started getting really mad at. Democrats. >> [snorts]. >> And when the pundits were like, "Joe. Biden shouldn't pardon Hunter." And Josh. is a criminal defense attorney in. recovery. And Josh goes, "I hate. the Democrats. I hate these pundits. Of. course he's going to pardon his son. Of.

course he's going to pardon his. son because what would Trump do? He. would pardon dumb and dumber so fast. it'd make your head spin. And this is. why we play two different games.". >> you he he he's going to pardon. uh the two of them. And. >> It's okay to call them dumb and dumber. >> Yeah. Oh, I I would [laughter]. How about. I was going to use worse words, but I. told my dad literally, he said, "Stop. cussing so much." And I said, "It's your. fault." It's I sit and listen to you. I. thought, [laughter] "Oh, you can do. that.". >> the one that said,

"Big deal." With the health care. package. >> was like, "Look who's talking." But um. >> [snorts]. >> Yeah, the. the the pardon I as I explained to. people, is it Well, my dad said he. wouldn't pardon me. If he was president. of the United States, he wouldn't have. pardoned me. And and I and I really mean that. And. not because he that he thinks that, you. know, I should be, you know, punished. and but if he was still there, she would have had absolute faith in. that a a a a legitimate judiciary and.

particularly a legitimate Department of. Justice that has control over the. Federal Bureau of Prisons and Probation. But. the day that he nominated uh Matt Gaetz. to become the next Attorney General, my dad was like, >> [gasps]. >> you know, all bets are off. And then. came Kash Patel and then came, you know, I mean, then you see that cabinet and. you realize that they don't have any. plan on governing. They have only. planned on looting.

>> Yeah. >> And and and pillaging. I mean, that that. that is the plan that goes throughout. the entire cabinet from. Howard Lutnick to Kash Patel to all of. them. But. I I'm positive the reason for the pardon. was because that of that. Is it. how could a father. leave his son. in the hands of people that you know are. going to use.

um uh that situation to extract whatever. they could extract out of my dad and my. family or anything. >> Hunter, it was a layup. Everybody knew, we all saw January 6th. We all saw it. And then you fast forward. >> Everybody but Jake Tapper. >> [laughter]. >> Touché. >> It was really horrible. Yeah, can't. believe it's going to really damage my. father's legacy. I'm like, you. >> Yeah, total I mean, it. the uh. selective. >> to get you in a fight with Jake. >> No, it's okay. I criticize him plenty. I.

and corporate media. But the to me it. was a layup because I knew what they. were going to do. And Trump is a petty, resentful man surrounded by submissive. men. All of these men surrounding Trump. are submissive. They should put on a. master class for the trad wives on how. to be submissive to your man because. I've never seen a group of men so. submissive. So, Trump could just say, "Hey, Cash, I want you to do this with. Hunter." It was a layup. You don't even. have to explain it as long as you did. And that's why Democrats lose because. they don't understand that. They don't.

understand the enemy. Which brings me to. a question that one of the things that. pisses me off is the Merrick Garland DOJ. and the not prosecuting of Trump. And. that they prosecuted you. That they you. had a deal that was done. And then you. always see these Democrats, moderate. Democrats. And of course your dad had. separation. But that capitulate to right-wing. framing. So, they're like, "Hunter Biden. has his laptop. Hunter Biden's smoking. crack. Hunter Biden's selling art." All.

this So, they're like, "Oh my god, we better charge Hunter." And there's. always this capitulation by Democrats. that cave to this these nutty. right-wingers. What's your take on that. or on Merrick Garland and and and. >> My take is this. And and removing myself. from it as much as I can, my personal. feelings, is the single greatest. mistake of my father's administration. was the leadership of Merrick Garland. >> I completely agree. I write about this.

in my book. Not today, fascist. >> The reason that we are in the situation. that we're in right now. can almost Well, by the way, the book. has to stop again. He was the president. He chose him. Now, once he chose him, he played by the, you know, higher. standard than the Marquess of. Queensberry rules. He played by the. Constitution and the tradition that the. president will never, you know, particularly since Nixon, involve themselves in any. decision-making as relates to anything. in the Department of Justice. So, I.

guarantee you. there was a division between church and. state there. Um but. if Merrick Garland. had. started a completely 100% legitimate. investigation rather than thinking like, let's not fan the flames. Like, what the. Did you not watch what I watched? >> Yeah. >> Did you not see. these people storming the Capitol of the. United States of America, >> Mhm. >> beating cops, and running congressmen.

and senators literally. out of the building? >> Yeah. >> You didn't see You didn't see that? You. didn't see a president and know that it. was a that that it was a concerted and. planned effort on their part beginning. all the way back from the day the before. the the election when they knew they. were going to lose. I mean, go back and. listen. >> to kill Mike Pence. >> Go back and listen to Steve Bannon. talking to Miles Guo on the day before. the election saying exactly what they.

were going to do. There's tapes. Mother. Jones has these tapes that were leaked. You got to listen to the tapes where he. says, "This is what we're going to do. First, we started with the laptop, and. we um you know, we took I think it's uh. uh. license with the pictures, you know, because they did this whole thing where. I was a pedophile in China and all this. stuff that they put out there. And the. next thing we're going to do is we're. just going to say that the. election was. uh not legitimate. And we're just going to say it over and. over and over again. So, he knew that it.

was a. planned conspiracy. >> Mhm. >> that would had a disparate number of. actors all working inside and outside of. the White House at all levels of. government. >> Mhm. It's a layup. >> doesn't do anything. He doesn't do anything. The only way. that we got to any prosecution of him as. it related to January 6th is we had to. wait for Congress to go through an. entire series of hearings. And it lays.

it all out then. And we still don't go. after him. We don't end up going after him and get. Jack Smith until the documents case. And then they bring the documents case. in in in Florida rather than in DC. I mean. I don't get it. I mean I absolutely. don't get it. >> This is that this is that that thing. that Democrats do where they your dad. wanted to make Merrick Garland whole. because. Mitch McConnell who I believe is a.

vegetable right now, that's just my. personal opinion. >> Yeah. >> Uh. over. >> Yeah. >> Barack Obama, the majority of the. American public, over democracy. and withheld that seat. And Merrick. Garland paid the price and Obama chose a. moderate. He should have a mandate to. choose a progressive. But again, they. allowed the right-wing to frame their. decision. So Obama picks this. milquetoast candidate. Your dad is a. decent man, felt bad about what happened. to Merrick Garland. >> Yeah. >> And he played integrity politics, like.

well I'm going to make him whole and. make him attorney general. And then. Merrick Garland gets there and he's like. well we can't upset these crusty white. Republicans. >> mistake. >> It just oh my god. >> But by the way, I mean like it coulda. shoulda woulda, you know, you you look. back and how things would all have been. different if there was literally anybody. in there who didn't look at this as some. kind of like normal times in which why. inflame the country any further than. it's being inflamed. Why you know I mean.

by the way, it wasn't just Merrick. Garland who was saying stuff like that. There was a lot of people in the. establishment Democratic Party. >> Yeah. >> It was a lot of the people that still. claim to be, you know, you know. conservative Republicans but that were, you know, engaged in a lot of bipartisanship, you. know, back when Lindsey Graham was. saying things like I'm out, you know, right after that thing. Right. >> Right. >> So. it was and by the way, I think that. that's the singular. uh. You know, people always talk about the. Democratic Party. I say there is no.

Democratic Party until you have a. Democratic nominee. Um, uh, the the the the party is so. disparate and, uh, you know, like this. the Will Rogers quote. I'm I'm not a. part of any, uh, you know, I'm not a. member of any organized party. I'm a. Democrat. >> Mhm. >> That is true. There's There's a truth to. that. >> Mhm. >> Until you end up with a nominee. And. then the party coalesces around that. nominee and and their vision. But from my estimation, the problem with. the Democratic Party is we're all the. Not we're all.

There is a corporate elite, um, uh, uh, part of the party that believes that, uh, you know, triangulation and the. middle way. is the only way. And and I love James. Carville, but there's like James. Carville, like we got to focus on the, um, and we do. We have to focus on the. issues that related to rural America. >> Mhm. >> Um, but that doesn't mean that we have. to say that we're not going to stick up. for trans people. And I'm not just.

pandering to you for real. This is what. I talk about all the time when I'm doing. these things. Is, you know, Joe Biden is as confused about. transgenderism. as anybody over the age of 80 should be. expected [laughter] to be confused about. transgenderism. But you know what? He put transgender people in his in in. his cabinet. He put trans He He stuck up. for transgender people in executive. orders. And. they still voted for him in rural.

America. He got 81 million votes. He got more. votes than anybody that's ever run for. president of the United States. And it. wasn't because Donald Trump, you know, like everybody, you know, was voting against Donald. Trump. Because Donald Trump got 75 million. He. got the same 75 million, you know, when. he runs 4 years later. >> Mhm. >> They voted for Joe Biden because they. thought, "You know what? He's just like me. He doesn't. understand, but doesn't mean that you.

have to demean and diminish. a group that that. constitutes 0.5% of the of the. population. And at the same time, I know he's not going to shove it down. my throat. Like there's a way to do it without. capitulating. I saw that interview that. you did with Rahm Emanuel. >> Oh, yeah. >> It. Well, made me really happy. But I think it is that's that is the. Rahm Emanuel.

David uh. >> Axelrod. >> Axelrod. kind of wing of the of the Democratic. Party. These people that that. claim to have gotten. Barack Obama elected, which they didn't. They were They were on a campaign. They. were important. >> A dead pig could have gotten Barack. Obama elected. >> Exactly. And they they are, you know, they look at people like Zohran Mamdani. and they go, "Oh my god, it's the end of. the Democratic Party." I look at Zohran. Mamdani and I go,

"There's a leader.". >> I completely agree. >> Every single thing that they talked. about it was, you know, people are going. to flee the city and they're going to go. crazy and they you know, the. it's the worst thing that could ever. happen and and you know, the Democratic. Party's going to be tagged with, you. know, this. Muslim blah blah blah blah blah. And here he is and he made promises and. you know what he did? He kept them. >> Yeah. >> He kept them. >> Mhm. >> He's lowering rent. He's building. co-op grocery stores. He's doing.

something about I mean, yeah, kindergarten free kindergarten. I mean, like that's all that's what people care. about. They care about that. >> He doesn't He doesn't throw anybody. under. >> good. >> He's really really really good. He's. excellent. I see him and I see the. future of the Democratic Party. I see. that. >> I do, too. >> the election of Trump the second time. was a. a repudiation of the status quo. >> Yeah.

>> And people get, you know, very upset. I. think probably your dad's age hindered. him in marketing his accomplishments. >> Yeah. >> Cuz he just was like, I'm going to. govern. And he knows how to do that. really well. But you have to govern plus. take victory tours, victory laps at the. same time. And he's not of that that age. that understands that. Zoran understands. that really well, that you have to. govern. >> Yeah. >> plus social media, all of these things. >> Confidence doesn't negate the need for. communication. >> That's right.

>> It and and. but when you have confidence and. communication. >> Yeah. >> and he is a generational um. communicator. >> I agree. >> Yeah. I and I I'm I'm so impressed. And. the other few thing I I wrote this on an. ex-post after the the primaries here, which was that more than anything, I. think that voters in this moment in time. uh. this is all all this always true in. terms of the positive aspect of it. But.

authenticity is everything right now. Because everybody feels like they've. been lied to. Everybody feels like that. they. by both sides. Um. and they know that they've been lied to. by this. >> Yeah. >> And uh but I say to everybody that is. that. I think one of and they say because it. reminds them of Trump, that authentic. kind of and I say he's not authentic, he's just audacious. There's a. difference between being um you know,

the the carnival barker. >> Mhm. >> and being a and being someone who is. mundane and being authentic about the. things that you believe in and and by. the way, and standing firm in those. principles that you know. that there's a wide swath that maybe. even the majority disagrees with you on. >> Right. >> You know, but if you stand in that. with a smile. and authentically defend your position. I'm always of the belief that voters. will will see that. And they value that.

more than anything. That's what they. thought that they were getting from. Donald Trump. >> Yeah. >> They thought that they were getting a. guy that was you know 6'3 225 lbs. >> [laughter]. >> what they ended up getting was a guy. that is you know 5'11 and you know. >> 300. Yeah. Yeah, cankles. >> Yeah. >> The cankles alone. I mean Okay, I want. to I want to have a little bit of fun. here. So your your laptop the they had. so much fun about it. And I want us to. decide our top three MAGA laptops.

>> Yeah. >> MAGA men that we could get you and I and. we could just do an all-nighter. >> I thought you were going to going to. look some of the pictures from the left. >> No. Everybody's seen those. Everybody's seen those, Hunter. That's. old [laughter] news. That's like a. million news cycles ago. I want to talk. about. >> [laughter]. >> our fantasy laptops that we could. acquire you and me. Top three MAGA. laptops we're going to have. Okay, okay, all right. All right, tell. me number one. >> Josh Hawley. >> Josh Hawley. >> Oh, it's so good. Kylie, get the.

engagement photo. >> I got this whole series. I believe that the biggest problem in. America is is in in Washington D.C. with. the federal government is a is it not. the oligarchy. um. >> Closet cases. >> It's the closetocracy as I call it. It is. And I'm and I'm being totally. serious. And I can do a list because the. because I don't know these to be true at. all, but let's start with my with the. laptop that I want to see what begin. with Josh Hawley. >> Josh Hawley. Well, here's interesting. Here is his.

>> I have Can we do more than three? >> Yeah, [laughter] we're going to go all. day. Okay, here's Josh Hawley with. Harrison Butker. He's the kicker for the. Kansas City Chiefs. >> No way. And this looks like a gay. engagement photo. >> [laughter]. >> I mean, that's really gay. Ryan, on a. scale of zero to gay, how gay is that? >> Gay. >> Gay, yeah. I [snorts] just feel like when rubber. hits the road, >> so to speak. >> [laughter]. >> Exactly. >> These two were not thinking about women. Here he is attempting to have a.

heterosexual kiss. >> [laughter]. >> It's so. >> Okay, [laughter] number two, Hunter. Holly's number one. Number two. >> Oh, um Ted Cruz, of course. >> Oh. >> 100%. >> Do you get a gaydar ping from Ted? >> No, you know what I get? I get a really, really kinky, weird. >> Me too. Do you remember on 9/11. >> And it may be gay, it may not be gay, it. may be a little bit of this, it may be a. little bit of that, but it may involve. animals, too. That's my opinion. >> I I Okay, do you remember on 9/11, this.

was several years ago, Ted Cruz liked a. porn tweet? >> Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> blamed it on his staffer, and everybody. knows Ted did it on 9/11. >> Yeah, exactly. >> And so, okay, yeah, Ted Cruz, I would. love to see his. >> That wasn't the burger [laughter]. account. Oops. By the way, Ted, let me. tell you something. I understand when. your digital life becomes a. you know, a life of fire, I can. I can understand your pain. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah. Yeah. But no, he like weird, weird stuff.

>> I agree. Really weird. >> Like, by the way, maybe even some stuff. that. you know, in involves like, you know, I. I don't even want to say. >> Yeah, I agree with you. Ted is a weird. guy. >> human being. >> He's a horrible. >> Yeah. >> horrible human being. >> Yeah. And by the way, but that's not. just coming from me. Every single one of his colleagues. >> hates him. >> hates him. Not not uh you know, 50. Democrats. Literally, 99 senators [laughter]. hate him. And because he was there when. my dad was still there.

>> Yeah. >> Every one of them, every single one of. them. >> Universally hated him. >> Yeah. Hated Ted Cruz. >> Yeah, this is the thing like these men, so J.D. Vance can't stand up for his. wife. He's all he can't you know, he. can't condemn Nazi tweets and racist. tweets and his wife is, you know, from. an immigrant family has mixed-race kids. Ted Cruz could not defend Heidi Cruz. >> Yeah. >> And that's why these men I just think. God, they're so submissive. >> Yeah. >> And I think back to your dad being on. the debate stage when somebody tried to. throw you under the bus and he stood.

>> Yeah. >> as a father and did that and these men. will not stand up for their wives. It's. just it's stunning to me and yet they. want to lecture us in this sanctimonious. way about family values. >> Yeah. >> It's like off, Ted. >> Yeah. >> Okay, number three. >> Uh this is Speaker Johnson. >> Who? >> Speaker Johnson. >> Okay, his official name on this podcast. is Little Moses Mike Grinder Johnson. >> Little Moses Mike Grinder Johnson? I. made that. [laughter] And Little Moses. Mike Grinder Johnson is either his. or um.

his children because I I still don't get. the the porn. that whole thing where they. >> Because. >> they the the porn um policing of the. between. >> Oh, you mean you're you and your son. don't monitor each other's porn use. monitor? Is that what you're saying? >> I swear to God. >> You and you and [snorts] Joe Biden, do. y'all monitor each other? >> Strangest thing. >> Your dad's not watching Joe Biden. >> [laughter]. >> I I well, I he's got to hope not. Um but. now everybody monitored my porn. >> [laughter]. >> Republicans really like to monitor porn.

>> All of these guys, um yeah, but but. there is a um look, before when I would. say this in I would joke around and. everybody kind of let laughs about it. and um. but I know for certain and I'm not. kidding now. is that there is and everybody in DC. knows this. I mean, I lived there for 20. years. Um my dad was a senator, you. know, or vice president, or president.

all my my whole life since for [snorts]. 54 years of my life. And um, everybody knows there is like this. closeted gay mafia, largely Republican, that exist in Washington D.C. and. everybody knows every single one of. them. Who who's gay. And so it's and and what I believe. the the only reason that that is. relevant is because I believe that.

internal conflict creates so much. vitriol inside a person that they take. it out on the rest of the world. And. they do. And so what they do is their. whole lives they've been closeted until. you have this like black ball inside. your your yourself. This like black. blackened heart by the fact that you. can't. be who you want to be. And so you take. it out on everybody else. And these men, largely men, have done exactly that. And.

they are. everybody knows who they are. Everybody. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Lindsey Graham. >> Yeah, of course. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So have you seen, speaking of that, I. think it's I say that Trump is now in. his. deathbed confession. >> Well, by the way, like for Lindsey. Graham, like. everybody knows that Lindsey Graham was. gay. >> Right. >> And I don't like I I don't have a. I really had and I liked Lindsey Graham. when I was a a kid. But everybody knew. that he was gay.

>> Right. >> And but you know, but we still kind of. like talk about it on like CNN like, you. know, like, well, then the And again, the only reason it's. relevant is because of the fact that. they seem to do everything that they. possibly can to take out their inability. to know and live the their true life on. everybody else. >> To me, it's relevant because during the. day, they are diminishing and instituting. institutionalized bigotry against the.

LGBTQ plus community. >> Yeah. >> And at night, they're fetishizing it, doing gay So, little Moses might. grab. >> Which becomes even more fetishized. because it's in secret. >> Exactly. >> more um uh uh um. I don't Well, I don't want to. characterize it in any other way. It be. When anything that is done in secret. reminds me of addiction. Okay? So, I. bring it back to myself. >> So, when you are when when you drink and. you drink in um the.

to excess and people get to call you on. it, so what you start to do is you start. to hide it from the people that you know. and love. And you end up in places that. you shouldn't be. And then it you and it. just progresses that way. I almost see. this in the same way um from the time. that, you know, and and it and it's. >> Part of it's heartbreaking. I mean, can you imagine living that. life? >> Mhm. >> Can you imagine. the like the torture that you'd have to. put yourself through.

to, you know, like pretend that you are. something that you're not by going so. overboard in in in villainizing and and. uh. and attacking. that which you actually are at your. deepest core. It makes everything easier it to um to. to do for no other purpose than for. power. >> Right. >> Yeah. Because you have to rationalize. all of that in your in your head, the. ability to do that. >> Yeah, I think that's self-hatred. And I.

think that one one man's secrets can. have a ripple effect, like your. addiction had a ripple effect that. caused, you know, a lot of pain. It you. know, it's trench warfare. >> The same with you know, one of these. closeted Republican men, but when they. all collude together. >> Yeah. >> And the ripple effects, and then they. they My opinion, my theory on this is. coming from the Bible Belt. You have all of these closeted men, or. men that have just like some really. up sexual proclivities, about.

which they feel shame. Some kink that in. another world they wouldn't feel shame. about, but in their world they do. So, they latch onto this Christian. nationalism, and the bargain that. they've made is like for little Moses. Mike, or for Josh Hawley, or for Samuel Alito, if I can make if I. can deliver America. as a Christian nation, that will make me. right with God, because they can't ungay. themselves. >> right. >> And so, they they have made this. existential bargain,

>> Yeah. >> and anointed themselves with all this. power that they are going to deliver the. United States to God as this Christian. nation, and then it will wipe away all. of their gayness. And I think we have a. huge grouping of these men that do this. I was on that Steve Schmidt's podcast. You know, he was the uh. campaign manager. >> Of course, I know Steve. I. He's He's He's He's. >> He's great. >> He is great. >> He said that 90% of the Republican men. when he worked in the White House, all. gay, exactly what you're saying.

>> Yeah, by the way, and like it's And And. Steve's not joking, you know, or not. like being provocative. I'm being serious. Is that everybody. knows who they are. And like it used to. be like, well, you don't want to you. don't want to out people. Like that that. doesn't seem right. >> to be past that. >> You got to be past that. What the. Look Look what Look what they're doing. >> Yes. >> Like I got to believe that Stephen. Miller's, you know, not a. you know, a Nazi, you know, uh. >> Talk about some kinky. >> Yeah, no, that's what I mean. But for.

real, okay? And by the way, it'll come. out. >> Oh, yeah. >> It always does. And the question is is. it. is the mainstream media going to think. it is uh fair enough report on without. it and and. >> [gasps]. >> And anyway, I I am uh. I think that it is the root of so many. problems. And I know that you and Angie. and you guys like joke about it in terms. of like that one maybe not really joke. about it. I think that the it is an. actual problem.

>> We joke about it and both report on it. Yeah. I mean, both. I mean, I think we. use humor a lot in our podcast because. what's happening is so. depressing. >> Yeah, I know. That's why. >> Yeah. >> Exactly. It was the only way that I. could listen to the news for a period of. time. >> Yeah. >> or listen to political discourse at a. time because I knew that I would be. [clears throat] chuckling as much as I. would be crying. >> Yeah. [laughter]. You know, it's it's kind of like you. know, I'm. You've made some jokes about your. addiction that remind me a lot of Josh. And when when you when you have learned.

to get past shame, which shame is at the. center This is the through-line of what. you're talking about these closet cases. and about you. Josh and I speak so. openly about addiction because we want. to destigmatize it and take away the. shame because shame is such a dark. passenger. And it's so it's such a. poisonous pill. But some of your my. favorite tweets of yours. Somebody said uh. about the oh. about the uh. Okay. Um excuse me, but aren't you.

decidedly part of the elite oligarch. class? You're the son of a career. senator, former VP, and president who. received the most legally over broad. pardon which may not even be. constitutional in the history of the. United States. Sounds pretty. elite to me. What does Hunter Biden. respond to on Here we go right here. >> Yeah. >> Do I look like I'm part of the elite. oligarch class? This was taken in a. Super 8 Motel off I-95. >> That was the cleanest picture I could.

find [laughter] in the moment when I was. responding to that. Oh, I'm they're crazy. >> And then once somebody asked you about. that cocaine in the Oval Office it was. yours and you said. >> No. >> It absolutely was not mine. >> I would have never left it there. >> Exactly. I read that [laughter] to Josh and Josh. goes he's 100 percent right. No. no good drug addict. ever. >> Just just so you. I have to. explain that because people keep Anyway. >> [snorts]. >> Where the where this cocaine was found,

number one I wasn't even there. But. number one number two, where it was. found it is found in a cubby, okay? A. little cubby. They're like this big, okay? And there's a whole wall of them. supposedly before you walk into the. Situation Room where you literally run a. war, you know, where the only people. that go in there have top secret. clearance, okay? Down a hallway. All. right? So what are they saying? >> [laughter]. >> That I went took my little bag of. cocaine, walked past two guards, by the.

way with my Secret Service with me, and. put it in like hid it in the the cubby. underneath the Oval Office, you know, 400 yards and then and then left it. there to like what as a practical joke. or something? I mean it's just the most. ridiculous thing in the world. And. clearly someone. pulled their phone out of their pocket, was going into the Situation Room. and it whatever little thing stuck to. their thing and. and they. and they screwed me over. [laughter].

You know, just all I'm going to say is this is. amateur. >> [laughter]. >> Oh. >> Whoever it was was an amateur. Could. have been Don Jr. It could have been. there for a long time. >> Okay. Let's talk about some conspiracy. theories that I like to dabble in. You. know, before like maybe 2 years ago I. was like I am not a conspiracy theorist. I'm not going to talk about. >> I'm getting real close. >> Me, too. [clears throat] Let's talk. about it. Okay, first of all, do you. think Jeffrey Epstein killed himself? >> Oh, not in a million years. >> Agree. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Completely agree. >> Yeah. By the way, and I like.

who was. saying to me like oh my gosh, I am. really concerned Hunter engaging in this. conspiracy theories about the you know, Butler and you know, like who believes. that the that that a guy that everybody. knows was an asset of some security. service is sitting in a jail cell. and has literally. we know files on you know, I don't know. how many incredibly powerful and.

important people and he just decides. that one day he's going to wake up after. all that and he's going to somehow hang. himself with his you know, his socks and. his t-shirts. >> see how low the bed is? >> literally it was like. >> I watch a lot of Dateline and I just. don't think that that is plausible. >> way though, but I have to admit. >> [gasps]. >> his damn watching you know, and and Kash. Patel said that he did. So we should. take their word [laughter]. because they've proven to be real heroes.

on the Epstein files, huh? >> So you brought up Butler. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So. I have a family member who works. [snorts] in law enforcement federal law. enforcement and he immediately was just. like that was staged. It's just not. possible. >> Yeah. >> That you have a guy that's up on a roof. and you have Secret Service with local. police and all of the people that secure. that's the first thing you look. >> Yeah. >> Is is there a threat up there? I was in. Italy when this happened. And so I woke. up in the morning and the news had.

already happened and I went to this. restaurant across the street and I go to. the same place in Italy every summer. Like Jennifer, he's a fake, right? They. staged a Trump and staged the it's not. real, right? And I was like. Well, surely he wouldn't do that and. then I went back and I started watching. it and I was too reluctant I was really. reluctant for a long time to say it out. loud because I think that Maga has kind. of done this thing where they control. all of the the news narrative and for us.

to be different from them we say oh well. we accept facts and I just I kind of am. calling and here's why aside. from the the thing that that Secret. Service or somebody wouldn't see a. person with a gun on top of a roof. Step that aside. Donald Trump. is petty party of one your table's now. available. I mean he is obsessed with. your dad. He's obsessed with Barack. Obama. He will not shut the up. about either one of them. He will not. shut He won. Shut up. He won't shut up.

And you're telling me this kid tried to. kill him. And he never we don't get any grievance. tweets about this? >> Not a word. >> Crickets. >> And the thing about it okay. So my dad. Donald Trump. mentioned the Washington Post did a. thing. Donald Trump mentioned my dad six. times a day. They stopped counting in. the first 100 days. Right now they. stopped counting. I mean six times a. day. Okay.

>> [gasps]. >> Who. What's the name of the would-be assassin. from Butler that changed the course of. world history? What's his name? >> Crooks. >> Is that his name? >> Thomas Crooks is that right? >> Okay. Because I don't know. >> [laughter]. >> I mean I know every other would-be. assassin. I mean I can go back to you. know the you know the the Archduke. Ferdinand. I mean like but like what. what what has there been a trial or. investigation or hearings or.

congressional hearings like the in you. know I mean. >> I think they shut it down. Didn't you. guys didn't we read that Kash Patel shut. down yeah. >> Nothing. [snorts]. Absolutely nothing. Not a By the way shouldn't somebody in. the Secret Service lost their job for. that? Because there's a guy sitting up. on a roof 300 to. away, with a direct line of sight with a. with a with a scope and a rifle in full. view. >> Mhm. >> of the President of the United States?

Shouldn't somebody gotten fired? Shouldn't Shouldn't there be a deep, deep federal investigation in Congress. >> Mhm. >> as to, at least from the funding. perspective, of why it possibly could. have gone that wrong? Nothing. Not a word. Not a single single word. Now, does that mean that I'm I'm right? Probably. >> [laughter]. >> Probably. I I'd like to think in my in now in my.

in my in. in this new me is it yeah, I'm just. going to say yeah, I'm right. >> You're in your you stage. Yeah. Okay, I want to talk a little bit about. obviously we have to talk about Trump. >> Yeah. >> So, I think he's in his deathbed. confession era. >> Yeah. >> Like, you can tell your dad got a lot of. grief about his age. And I say if you're. going to run for the big boy seat, get. ready for big boy criticism. >> Yeah. >> You know, your dad didn't play victim of.

that. That's if you're going to run for. president, you're you're people are. going to talk you. Of course, Trump thinks he should be. exempt from the talking. Um which brings in the Jake Tapper. double standard and all of that. But, I set that aside. It's interesting to me how he is. constantly, and this comes back to one. of our other theories about what's wrong. with the Republican Party. Have you seen. how often he's talking about how hot men. are? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Have you and then think about the time. Zoran went to visit him and how happy he.

was. >> Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> That reporter was like, "Mayor I'm Donnie, do you still think. Trump's a fascist?" And Trump's like, "Go ahead. Say yes.". >> Here's what I think. >> Okay. >> Okay? For real about this. >> Okay. I don't think that Donald Trump is. a. is is gay or even bi-curious. What I think what. what I think Donald Trump is is he is a. is a.

has a narcissism to the extreme. And in his age now, when he sees a man. that is. that is just so physically. beautiful, he has to talk about it because because. he he envies it. It's like you said, like your deathbed thing, like oh my. god. Like you know, what's his name, Jackson Dart? Like oh my god, you're a. specimen. Like you're an amazing like.

look at those look at those abs, man. Like oh my goodness. And oh. I think No, I really mean it. I'm I'm. I'm trying to be more cutting than. thinking it's a little gay and that I. think that it is like. an extension of his narcissism. Total. extension of his narcissism. Like he's. got to point out like. I used to look like that. And then we we. know that he never did. Yeah, but in his. mind he did. Yeah. As we watch this I know Eric he's.

definitely. >> [laughter]. >> I have no idea whether that's true or. not. And I am talking about Eric. I bet every woman that he's ever dated. wishes he was gay. But I don't know if. it's any true or not. I talked to. a couple of people that used to work. with him men. And they said we absolutely think he's. gay. Yeah. Eric? No, Donald. Oh, Donald. really? Yes, they said because if you. think about the women that he's. attracted to. Yeah. He he pictures in his he pictures in his.

mind. like what a straight man would want. That's why they all kind of look like. Barbie dolls. Where this man that told. me that worked with Trump very reliable. source, um said, you know, real men don't mind a. little bit of cellulite or, you know, just we like all different types of. women, but Trump and they and then. another person that I've spoke with who. worked in Trump 1.0 said they thought it. was all so weird because they would go. to these DHS hearings or FBI things and. they would always line up the hottest.

men in front and then like all these. kind of goober dorky Republican like. brainiacs that or aids would show up and. it's like hot man convention. I don't know. Maybe it's a combination. of all of the above. Play the video of. Hunter uh talking about wanting to kick. uh. Don and Eric's ass. >> Okay guys, Hunter Biden here. I just got a call from Andrew Callahan. I think he's trying to organize a a cage. match me versus Eric and Don Jr.

Um I told him I'd do it, 100% in if he. can pull it off and if he can't, I'm. still coming. >> So let me ask you this. If Don and Eric. called right now on your cell phone and. said, we want to meet you in the White. House lawn. >> Yeah. >> You're in a fight. Me first and then. you're fighting the other one. Are you. going? >> Neutral territory. I'd go bring them out. to Lafayette Park. I'll do it there. >> [laughter]. >> Or better even, let's go to Lincoln Park. where I used to buy crack.

Totally two more blocks away if they can. make the walk. Oh my god, that just for. just. the opportunity to punch either one of. them in the face. Of course, I would it. would be very demeaning for the public. discourse. I get it. I'm 56. I'm out of. shape. I swear to god if they offered me. a cage match, I would take it in a. second because you know what? I. literally I I would I would die before I. tapped out. >> [laughter].

>> I would I would be dead and I would have. to feel the shame, but the chance to. actually physically which by the way I'm. saying in a in a in a you know. a legally sponsored um cage match or you. know in in an alley somewhere. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah. By the way, you know pay-per-view. would be crazy on that, right? I get you. in my corner, you and Angie and Kylie in. my corner, you know. >> We would 100% be in your corner. 100%.

>> Yeah. >> Um okay, in closing, what. >> take so many peptides. >> [laughter]. >> No, but I was the only thing I did Can I. do I don't even know if I can do. steroids? >> I think you could do some peptides. >> Yeah, I can do peptides but that's it. >> Here I would have my money on you and. because I think you're scrappy and I. think Dumb and Dumber are. >> Yeah. Well, by the way, I I guarantee. you they've never thrown a punch in. their life. >> No. >> And I guarantee you I'm stupid enough. that I've thrown many punches in my life. and got the kicked out of me, too. So, [laughter].

just absolutely destroyed. Yeah. >> So, as you've been out more in the. public, which I thank you for that. because I think it's a moment that I. didn't know I needed after. [clears throat]. MAGA been going after you and addiction. and addiction hits close and personally. with me and to see you come back and be. like, "Fuck you all." I love it. It's. been so cathartic. What's next for you? I know you have this amazing art. I. follow you on Instagram. >> Thanks. >> And it seems like you get a lot of. serenity from your art, but what's next.

for you, Hunter? >> Um so, um I have the my. >> Where's your art? >> Oh, yeah. Substack. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, um. Do you Do you guys do Substack? >> a Substack. >> Oh, you do? >> Yeah. You know what? We'll Substack. live. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely. >> Well, yeah. Let's stream together. >> So, I've written a lot over the course. of that 7 years. >> Yeah, yeah. And so, I'm putting it out. on Substack. It's a um as I'm writing. and revising and it's kind of like a. first draft, but I'm going to put it out.

like once a week on Substack, but it. tells whole story, like the whole thing. Yeah. And. >> Yeah. And so, but the biggest thing that I'm doing is. number I'm I'm a. I'm trying to set up an aftercare. program, a free aftercare program for. starting in LA, because I think it's the. it's the. uh. the missing link in recovery care. People go through a 30-day rehab, which. is necessary, and then they get out and. they go back to the same exact situation.

that they were in before. And um. and a lot of people don't have access to. um the kind of aftercare or. continuous treatment that um that other. people have. And. >> [clears throat]. >> and also, insurance, you know, it's 30. days and then you're out. And so, that's. one thing with a group called Peak Path. Health. Um. but. the other thing that I'm starting that I. hope is out and up and running by the. time this comes out.

is um if you go to hunterbiden.com. uh {slash} recovery, I'm going to start. a thing I want to a million people in. recovery. And I want uh or the people or. the people that love them. It's almost. like a StoryCorps, where you go, share your experience, strength, and hope, and tell your story. anonymously. Same way that you would in. uh it's not in any way a replacement for. a a meeting, but um in the same way that. we do in the program. And the reason.

that I believe that is one of the things. that you just said about the why you. talk about you and Josh talk about it so. openly. Because. we has to be destigmatized. How can. something that is impacting 50 million. people on a daily basis here in the. United States have any stigma to it? Why. isn't it we don't talk about it openly. with everybody? And part of it is the. shame. Is that people carry around the the. of just the failure to. get sober. Just the failure to be.

substance-free. The you know, 70 to 80%. of people relapse at some point. And. there's so much shame in that because. you you feel and the other part of it. is, too, is I think what you alluded to. is. addiction is a family disease. The. hardest part is not on the addict. I mean, at the end of the day, um. it is uh it it's so painful. >> Yeah. >> But the. the the largest pain is on the family.

>> Mhm. >> The thing that. is that. the shame that comes from that is not. that. which is necessarily like the things. that I did in addiction, you know? Uh. the biggest shame was not being there. for my for my daughters. You know, the biggest shame was not. being present in in their lives for that. period of time. After having been the. only not not the only the uh it.

a really present father. And then I just. and then it was gone. for 2 years. >> Mhm. >> And not knowing where I was. For somebody that's 17 years old or. whether you're 22 at the time, like the. my daughters' ages uh or or. is. is it just it's so hard. It's so hard. It's so hard the idea of them asking, "Why? Why are you choosing that and not. me?". >> Mhm. >> Like, "Why are you showing uh not.

showing up for me?". And. but you're you but but I can't get you. on the phone. I can't You're not. responding to my texts. And it's. heartbreaking. That's the shame that I. talk about. That's the shame that is. like trying to repair that. And if. you know. >> These are the things that that we need. to educate the public about because I. had a situation similar with Josh and. our boys where Josh would relapse. because like you said, relapse is a part. of it. Like if you have cancer, a lot of.

people go relapse cancer and then they. get into remission. The same thing with. addiction, both diseases. We need to destigmatize this so that. mothers or fathers that are married to. the other spouse is an addict can can. speak to their children in a way where. the children are. this isn't about you. Like I used to. tell my boys like. your dad is has problems and he had. problems before you were born and they. have nothing to do with you and I think. that there's just. I mean there's so many things I want us.

to work on and fix and if we didn't have. a batshit crazy president, but I think. in in the background we can be working. on these things because it it it. it really hurts, but I will say this. And I never thought I would say this. I. remember the first time I went to a. family week with Josh. There was this. lady I think I go to this Al-Anon. meeting this lady said, "I'm so grateful. for my husband's addiction because I. have a more depth and all this stuff.". And I was sitting there and I thought, "Fuck this I cannot believe she's. saying that. I hate this.

disease. I hate my husband. I hate her. I everybody in here." Cuz I was just. mad. I was full of rage. She was right. I am grateful for what Josh and I went. through and I'm grateful that my sons. learned conflict resolution skills. I. hate that they got hurt. But life is. painful. Life is disappointing and what you. showed your girls is that I had conflict. and I hurt you and that felt like. abandonment, but I got better because. ultimately I loved you more than I did.

that. And and I just think it's such an. important story because it's such a. painful painful disease and it just. affects so many people and so many. people don't know how to talk about it. in a way that's healing or therapeutic. or allowing people the space like, you. know, a friend of mine goes, "Yeah, I. hate my husband." I go, "Oh, I've been there. Just tell me how much. you hate him." You got I mean, you kind. of have to get through those steps to. get to the other side of it. >> Yeah. Well, that's it. Is it.

>> [gasps]. >> you know, the And I don't care what. program that you go to or what it is. Is. it one of the things that I learned is. that. you know, the steps that you go through, that it. has one goal, and that's at the end for. you to be able to be of service to. someone who's still sick and suffering. And it's selfish. And I'm not saying. that like, "Oh, because I want to be a. saint and go help people." Cuz what you. realize when you finally actually get it. is that the only thing that keeps you. out of your addict brain.

is doing something for somebody else. And so it like it almost becomes an. addiction. And in and I in a in an incredibly. positive way. And it just kind of like. self-perpetuates. And so. I. say also all the time is that I'm. grateful for all of it. for the first time in my life. And what they did for me. was they so completely exposed me.

So completely destroyed any sense of. privacy or any expectation of privacy. More than I And I And I And I don't say. this like, "Oh, woe is me." Um but more. than anybody that. I think in the history of at least. politics. >> For real. >> No question. Every single email, every. single text message, every single. photograph, every single voicemail, the. heartbreaking ones, the you know, >> Yeah. >> the the out-of-context ones, the one. where I call, you know, so-and-so a.

and I do this and like I mean, just like the things like. everything. And the one thing they didn't find. is any crime as it relates to, you know, bribery or me benefiting from my father. or anything like that. What they found. was somebody. with a whole life a part of which. uh. was a story about the consequences of of. a really, really deep, dark addiction. And. the thing that it did for me though.

was I had to make a choice. Do I get out. of bed. and live. or do I stay here and die? And I chose one day to get out of bed. and live. And I'm and I. I've come to this like place where like. what are you going to say about me that. hasn't already been said? Like. literally, what are you going to say? And it's an incredible liberation. So. >> is. >> I feel like I'm not running for. anything. Nobody in my family's running. for anything. You know? >> I I can say whatever the hell I want and.

responsibly because I think that it you. should be responsible just if you're a. human being. >> Yeah. >> But what I got a chance to do, I'm going. to get. a million stories. Because the those are. the things that shape my life. in in recovery is when you realize like, "Huh, I wasn't the only person to do that?". >> [laughter]. >> You know, I like I like your your. example of that I I I remember saying. this one time to somebody and somebody. was telling me, "Well, you know, it's a. disease. It's just like cancer." I said,

"Except for the fact that people in. remission from cancer don't end up in a. hotel room with a hooker." And. >> [laughter]. >> and um you know. >> to think that. >> Yeah, it's a choice. >> Yeah, exactly. >> I GOT DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT HAVE. >> [laughter]. >> CANCER OR NOT. >> And 2,000 bucks worth of crack, you. know, that's it. Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> So that it's a little bit different, but. that's why it's so painful. That's why. it's so painful because you're like, "Oh. my god." And I always say that, you. know, >> addiction is a um.

a uh never an excuse, but at least. if you can keep your heart open, it's an. explanation. >> I agree with that. I've said that to. myself a million times. Cuz forgiveness. is really hard. >> Hard? >> It's so it was so hard for me to forgive. Josh. It was really, really difficult. And I finally gave myself permission. to not make a decision. And that was. really liberating cuz I'm the type of. person like, okay. I I like I had this Al-Anon sponsor once.

and she was like, you just need to pray. about it. And I was like, I'm an. atheist. >> Yeah. >> And she's like, well, you just need to. pray. I'm like, I'm not going to pray, but I need to make a decision. We need. to have a plan. I was really type A. about like solving Josh's problems. So, the first time I sent him to rehab. >> Yeah. >> he goes off to Arizona. I send him. there. I leave and I'm like on the plane, come. back for family week and I think, nailed. it. Got this under control. We're going. to go back and live happily ever after. You know what that did? >> Yeah. >> He gets He gets He graduates from rehab. or gets released. He gets a taxi.

and goes to the Phoenix airport, has the. taxi driver pull over and buy him and he. goes in and buys a beer. >> Yeah. >> After 30 days. When I found that out, I was mad about. that singular beer. for years. >> Yeah. >> I was so mad about that singular beer. because I couldn't understand it. I. could not understand in my non-addict. brain that somebody could go spend 30. days. at some expensive rehab. >> I'm sorry I'm laughing.

I mean, I've done like 10 times worse. than that. >> Josh, Josh, Josh is like. >> Josh, you're full of It wasn't one. beer. >> [laughter]. >> Totally full of If we're going to. be really open with each other. >> Then what you landed in rehab. >> [laughter]. >> I think I had about six. >> Right. Then I Then I think he went and. got a bunch of Percocets. I mean, truth. be told. But then he probably spent the. rest of the money. >> That's it. You get You get tight in the. in the. the worst possible moment. Like literally. I mean, it's just you. hear straight and that's what the.

stories are for. Not [snorts] as some kind of like. drunk-a-log where everybody can come, but what you realize is that you're not. alone. Like because as hard as it is for. you to understand, think of his poor addled brain trying to. explain it to himself. And then you. don't And then you lie about it. And then you hide it. And then you have. that you wake up and you're you have all. the shame over the fact that you're. lighting. And so then you're even more. alone. And then you're isolated. And. then the only thing that can get you out. of your isolation is one thing that. always worked for you.

A drink or a drug. >> Yeah. >> That's the thing that people don't. understand either is that. why did I use drugs? Because they worked. They worked. At first, they did what. they were supposed to do. They got me. out of this sense of of angst and. anxiety and fear. All fear-based. All. fear-based. Like since I was a kid, I just I was afraid. And I whether it. was from trauma, whether it was from.

things, but I was that kid that was. afraid to ask the girl to dance. I was. afraid of what they would think of me. I. was afraid to get up and answer the. question in school. I was afraid to do. public speaking. And by the way, and you realize too is. that, you know what? I wasn't the only. one that was afraid. But I figured out how to deal with it. Not when I was that little, but at some. point it became the answer to all of my. problems until it became all of my. problem. >> Mhm. >> And um.

anyway, and what you realize is when you. talk to other people, when you talk. openly about it, you realize how not. alone you are. Because one of the things. that addiction does, it makes you feel. that you're completely alone. That. you're eternally unique. That like like. like you you got [clears throat] to be. the only guy that ever left rehab and. went and got a beer. >> [laughter]. >> Like you like how how up do I. have to be to have done that to my wife? To my I'm going home to see my sons. Like how horrible human being do I have.

to be to have done that? They just put. up with all of the thing that got me to. this rehab. I get in a taxi and the. first thing I do is betray their trust. It makes you feel this big. And then the only thing you can do for. not feeling that big. is your brain literally your brain. chemistry. Not your emotions, not something you. choose. Your brain chemistry is saying, "You're going to die if you don't take. care of this." And I know the way not to. die.

And all it is is a right at the corner. instead of a left. to. access to your answer on every street. corner in America. Up here. >> You know what I read to help me. understand. >> me a bottle of Smirnoff. >> [laughter]. >> out of a plastic bottle. Yeah, exactly. >> that addiction sits in the part of the. brain and it's called the hypothalamus. and that's where the fight or flight. reflexes. So for an addict, it literally. kicks in the fight or flight reflex and.

I am such a pragmatist and an. evidence-based person. When I understood. the science behind it and I understood. that. researchers had researched addicts brain. and what it ignited and that it was. literally a fight or flight reflex that. so many addicts relapse because they. feel like that it's a survival. It taps. into the most lizard part of of the. brain. >> right. >> And so that was really therapeutic for. me to know, but again so many people. don't know this and if people knew.

a lot of the the the facts surrounding. this, it's still hard to forgive. an addict because it is I will say this. when you were talking about selfish that. you like to help people. This woman who. helped me understand addiction, she said. She said, "I tell my husband all the. time." Her husband is in recovery. "Addiction is the most selfish. disease on the planet because when. they're using it's all about them and. then when they're in recovery, it's all. about the recovery. But it's true. And. um. But the recovery. >> is down there watching this.

>> [laughter]. >> I know. We got a round. >> No, no, no, I didn't mean that. I mean. like she's going to get. ideas. >> "You're so selfish.". >> [laughter]. >> But I do I do think that it's a story. that we need to scream from the. rooftops, and I think. MAGA did you the biggest favor for your. recovery because. >> There's no secret that you could keep. >> Hunter, and secrets make people relapse. >> Yeah. Well, I I'll tell you okay. So, one of the reasons is not just because I. like we both agree.

You have got to strip away the stigma, and we got to talk about it more. Why do. we have to talk about it more? Because I. think that there's a solution that is. as much scientific as it is, you know, the way in which we've. figured out how to cobble together. a support system for people in recovery, whether what whatever kind of group that. you go to. >> Mhm. >> Uh because the community is really, really important and hearing these. stories. But the other part of it is is. because if 50 million Americans are. suffering from a disease that causes.

more death and destruction than all the. other diseases combined. It causes more. destruction of the family unit than all. of the other diseases combined. Like I. said, families aren't breaking up because or. you know, husbands and wives getting. divorces and kids feeling ostracized and. never wanting to speak to their. to the parent again because of. uh. because of hearing loss. You know? I mean really, it's not it's. it's this thing. Why don't we not have.

more scientific understanding of it? Because instead of ascribing. a medical answer to it with deep, deep. research, we've ascribed a moral failing. to it. We have said, and one of the. reasons that we keep doing that is. because I believe what is the root of so. many of our problems because people are. making a fuckload of money off of it. Tons of billions of billions and. trillions of dollars. On both ends. On. the pharmaceutical end and the rehab. racket. Pharmaceutical end rehab racket.

The. and then the the. alcohol. Totally. You know, I mean, I I. I I said everybody the thing that almost. the thing that truly truly truly came. this close to killing me each time. was alcohol. I was drinking a handle of. vodka a day along with smoking crack. But the only drug other than. benzodiazepines that you can die from. withdrawing from is is is. The alcohol is the hardest thing to stop. and it's the most ubiquitous. You go.

anywhere and it soon as you do that then. you're back you're. all bets are off as relates to. everything else. But also alcohol causes most violence, causes most destruction, it causes most. mayhem. It It is the It's the. It is the worst. It's the worst. So if we all talk about it we all take. it you know, well, what does it mean? You know, what where is it in the brain. that this is occurring? I think that there's been such. incredible advances as relates to.

to the potential of figuring out those. things. You know, everybody. a lot of people in recovery are kind of. like, well, you don't want to It's not. just about you know, like hoping for the. day that you can take a pill. And you. know what I say? I hope there's a day. you can take a pill that that you're no. longer an addict. >> Totally. >> Hundreds of millions of lives over the. course of I mean literally. I mean. because remember when I say saved lives, your life, my daughter's lives. >> Totally.

>> To give back those years of like you. know, whether you know, you like you said like. I'm grateful for it all. Well, I would. also be grateful. >> [laughter]. >> if I didn't have to go through it to a. certain degree too. Like, I am really. grateful for it, but it's, you know, I. wouldn't recommend it. >> [laughter]. >> You know? And so, but that's why That's why we. need to talk about it. That's why you. like moving it from. um not just kind of like the. >> [clears throat]. >> you know, discussion that happens in the.

background or between compatriots that, you know, that. feel like, "Fucking I can talk about. it." Um to really, really talking about. it. I want to have this. place where people can come and share. their stories, so that not just people. that are in addiction can read them, but. the people that love them that are. trying to find out the why, the question. to the why. I think it would be really. cool, right? Like a storyboard for. recovery, you know? Like. >> I think it's cool, and I think it's so. needed. And I think that it's a great.

story arc. >> Yeah. >> to the one thing that people tried to. define you. >> Yeah. >> as being this horrible shortcoming, and. something that you come back and help. millions of other people. >> Be cool, wouldn't it? >> Really cool. >> Hunter, >> Yeah. >> I could talk to you all day. Let's. collab again. >> Yeah. >> Especially on this addiction stuff. >> 100%. [snorts]. >> And um I. >> Josh on? >> Oh my gosh. The next time he's in. >> One beer, Josh. You. >> [laughter].

>> You and Josh would Y'all should do a. recovery podcast. >> I mean, seriously, he is so. >> Yeah. >> he because he had he comes at it such a. similar angle to you do. He just talks. about. >> Yeah. >> very openly. >> Yeah. >> Hunter Biden, thank you so much. >> I'm such a fan. >> I'm such a fan of yours. I told Kylie. before we connected, when you start. coming out, I was like, I'm obsessed with Hunter Biden. I want. him on the pod, so thank you so much for. coming on. >> You too. Thanks, guys.

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