Maya Hawke | Good Hang with Amy Poehler

Hello everyone, welcome to another. episode of Good Hang. I'm really, really. excited about this episode with the. great Maya Hawke. We had such a good. conversation. We used so many words and. I just love talking to her and we talk. about really interesting things today. We talk about growing up in New York. City and being a kid there. We talk. about her love of magic and wonder and. a life of imagination and we talk about. joy and anxiety, the characters that we. played together in Inside Out 2 and also. how those emotions interact and connect. in real life. So, it was a great convo.

and as always, we like to. ask someone who knows our guest, a. friend, a fan, someone who has a. question that they think I should ask. the guest before we start the podcast. So, we um. are joining with Willa Fitzgerald. Willa. is an actress. She's on Pulse right now, a medical show on Netflix. She was in. Little Women with Maya Hawke and most. excitingly, she's joining us from. Hungary, which I believe is also where.

Budapest is. So, Willa, can you hear me? >> [music]. >> This episode is presented to you by. Walmart. I'd like to say that I'm a. pretty good gift giver and for me, it's. about making the extra effort to find. the perfect gift. Walmart has the top. brands we all love in one place. Nespresso, Nintendo, Apple, you name it. That's why it has to be Walmart for all. my gifts this year. Guess best gift.

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met actually in Ireland doing Little. Women. In 20. 2017 and. I mean, we just fell in love, I think. That would be It was a love story. It. was a love story for sure. You. You both were She was playing Jo, you. were playing Meg. What was it like to. play Meg? What did you bring to this. Meg? I feel like my my personal mission. was to bring a humanity to her cuz I. feel like she's often sort of like the. She's like the the too-perfect sister a. little bit, which is I think why people.

don't love her and relate to her and she. also feels a little bit, you know, out of our time in the sense. that she makes very classically gendered. choices with her life. And so, I feel. like I feel like my personal mission was. just to like kind of elucidate why we. should like Meg and why we should. understand her as like a really kind of. relatable, lovely character. And I think. we did it I think we actually I think we. did manage to to pull that off. And here you are, two young actresses at. the time joining this production. I think it for Maya it was her first big.

production and what did What How did you. What did you. see in each other? How did you become. friends? >> We really just like bonded because I had. already been working, but I I was. suddenly kind of entering a new phase of. my career where I was getting to do this. project which that I was like just so. excited about and it was her first job. and she was so excited about it and and. we just, you know, we would like go to. the We were all staying in this hotel. together outside of Dublin and we would. like go to the pool together or the. steam room and just like talk about what.

really excited us about being actors. And and we just like really kind of. connected on like an artistic level and. also. I think on just a personal level cuz I. think we're kind of very opposite people. in a lot of ways. I think that we both. like learn a lot from the other person. in the way that they navigate the world. cuz it's so different from maybe the way. that we ourselves navigate the world. How are you different? Um I think that I think that I'm I. think, you know, the most like reductive.

two-second answer would just be I think. I am a very cautious person and I think. Maya is like full of just like a lust. for life and a and a real sort of like. verve that she just is is unafraid in. situations that I sometimes feel a. little bit more unsure in, I think. Maya. does a lot of things, you know? She does. She's in a Broadway show. She performs, records music with a lot of different. bands, including solo stuff. She's. you know, she's writing, she's acting. Like she to your point, she It feels.

like she. um. ventures and is adventurous in the stuff. that she does. What I admire about her. so deeply is that she just kind of has. this sort of like infinite curiosity and. like well of creativity that she seems. to be able to draw on. She has like a. real She's really interested in just the. world around her in a way that's like so. kind of pure and like limitless. Um so, we're going to get to the question you. have for for me to ask Maya, but just.

before we do, I want to say. congratulations on Pulse. Oh, thank you. >> a medical show. Well, you know, Maya was a big reason of. why I took that job. >> Ooh, how come? Because she loves Grey's Anatomy and she. was the one who made me love love Grey's. Anatomy. And when I was calling her and. I was like, I've got this like possible. job, what do you think? I wanted to talk. about it and she was like, do it. She. was like, I will be the biggest fan of. this show. Please. >> Has it been fun to play that kind of. part and like get into the jargon and.

get into the vibe of what it would be. like to be in an emergency room? What's. What's been fun about it? I feel like. it's like it's one of the most. I feel like in those sort of situations. where you're like really just playing at. a job, it's a kind of like the purest. expression of like the childhood fantasy. of being an actor where you're like, I. am now a doctor and I can now save. people's lives. Like, wow. And I think, [laughter] you know, like. that's like a really cool thing. But no, I loved it I love I do love learning new. things and I learned so much and I'm. also just like a little nerd and like.

loved just going through like the the. big-ass medical pamphlets that we would. be get given for every episode and just. being like, you know, oh yeah, like. watching like cadaver videos of like the. surgeries and being like, wow, medical. school. Do you when you I I always try. to ask people who are on medical shows, when you cut, do you cut into fake. bodies? Real bodies. >> [laughter]. >> Like do you ever have to put a scalpel. in, you know, I know that there's fake. torsos and stuff. Do you do that? Yeah,

no, we had our like prosthetics person. was from Walking Dead. So, our. prosthetics were like next level. >> They were like, we're going to use some. old zombies. We're going to get them in. there. >> were like, we got [laughter] this. Okay. So, thank you for getting on and what. question do you think I should ask Maya. today? Do you have any thoughts? I'm. curious whether. her sort of like lust for life, her. ability to be so interested in the world. around her was something that she feels.

is innate to her as a person or whether. it's something that she feels like was. cultivated either by herself, by her. community, by her parents and. and if so, like whether there's a. specific moment in which she like. recalls seeing the world in that way. from a young age. You know, what's great. about that question is I think people. really reduce. um. the children of actors and artists in. the way that they talk about, you know, what is it like being a you know, considered a nepo baby, you know, you're.

in the same profession as your parents. When in fact, like what is it like. growing up with artists that are parents. and how do they introduce you to art? And also, what is it like being a New. York City kid? I mean, a lot of people. don't know the feeling of growing up in. the city and what that's like, like what. your what you get to see or. or what you don't get to see. You know, like what how how does it limit you and. how does it open you up? And I think. that's a that's a great question. Really. well done. You seem like a woman in her. 30s who has her [ __ ] together. Congratulations. Thank you. I mean, you.

know, it's all an illusion. >> [laughter]. >> Really, really nice to meet you. Such a. pleasure. Thank you so much for the time. and for helping me get to know Maya a. little more. I really appreciate it. So fun. Thank you again. Bye. This episode is brought to you by. Visible. When your phone's plan is good. as Visible, you've got to tell your. people. It's the ultimate wireless hack. to save money and still get great. coverage and a reliable connection. Get. one-line wireless with unlimited data. and hotspot for $25 a month, taxes and.

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for it. You just need to get started. Your great ideas start on Mac. Find out. more on apple.com/mac. Maya Hawke is with me. Maya, I'm so. happy to see you. >> I'm so happy to see you. >> we haven't seen each other in person. since Inside Out 2 premiere. shenanigans. >> Dude, that movie. >> I know. >> [laughter]. >> That movie made people so happy. >> I know. >> I feel so seen.

>> What have you had people come up and say. to you about that movie? I It's been one. of the great honors. Like my little. sister was asking me the other day. She. was like, "Do you get annoyed if someone. asks you to do the anxiety voice? Or do. you get annoyed?" I was like, "Not at all." Like if someone is like if. someone wants me to go put on like an. ice cream scooper uniform, I'm like, "I'm I'm done with the ice cream scooper. uniform." But and like and but there was. a while where that wasn't true, but with. this movie, the that character, I've had. so many people feel so seen by it and.

like little kids feel so seen by it and. like it helped them understand their. brain better. And like I'll get a call. from a friend's parent like from like a. parent of a friend of mine who is a. parent, not a friend's parent. Um and be. like, "Hey, would you do a recording? Like my kid's going through this hard. time. Would you record something in the. voice for my kid?" And I'll be like, "Sure." And I'll turn on the little. speaker and be like, "Hi. Oh, I know. it's really scary when parents have to. go to the doctor's office and I know. that it makes you nervous and I and I. but the thing is you just take a deep. breath and trust that your daddy will be.

safe and that the doctor's going to take. great care of him. And like I um and so. I like will do things like that and I. don't mind at all. I love it because. it's so I know. I feel the same. I feel. like you and I had a a couple moments. when we were doing press where we kept. looking at each other like. whoa, this feels so much bigger. than us and the response of the movie. was so beautiful and uh uh. I know that that is very rare to be in. something good.

that people like, that people go to see. that is a good experience. Those don't. always happen. >> for the world. >> is good. Like that's like it's so so. rare to have it hit all those. benchmarks. It's like a rainbow. I know and plus a billion dollars, babe. >> I mean that's what I'm saying. For. something that makes a billion dollars. and is good for the world, I don't think. there's anything that does that. >> No. It's crazy. No, I mean it is so. true. Like the word billion and good for.

the world doesn't go together. >> go together. Ever. Ever. What have you learned about. anxiety in the past year, your own or. others because you played that. character? So much and I think with like. the joy anxiety relationship. I it taught me a lot about showing love. to that part of myself. >> Mhm. and like allowing other people to. see it so they can show it love and that. that is all.

actually a way to calm it down. >> Mhm. is like inviting it into the. conversation. like looking at what it thinks and is. worried about and kind of addressing. each point and then ask and then like. offering it a comfortable chair and. saying like, "Okay, you're invited. You. know, you're not I'm not trying to shut. you out behind a door." Cuz that of. course just works it up even more. And so I think in giving I The biggest. thing I learned from doing this and. being allowed to be welcomed into the.

beautiful world of this movie is to give. my anxiety a comfy chair. Yes. It's so well said. >> [screaming]. >> And for people listening right now. >> [laughter]. >> Like everybody is so [screaming]. stressed. I know. Of course they are. Of. course they are. I mean anxiety might be. the defining emotion of our time. >> It's been It was so fun to work. on on on those characters together. because. when the time is very scary like these.

times, you know, you want to find a way. to tune in, check out, help yourself, help other people. Like you want to dip. in and out. >> Mhm. [clears throat]. But when you're just getting someone. going like toxic positivity, like this. is great. It's like, "Babe, things are. bad.". >> Things are bad. >> Things are real bad. So anybody. listening, I want you to know that we. know Things [laughter] are bad. >> bad and But also if you shut joy out. completely, like it. then.

you still need to welcome in some. Like. you're not helping anybody if you if you. shut out joy completely. Well, there's a. beautiful moment in the movie and it's. such a it's such a um testament to the. work you did as anxiety. and the work the animators do and the. work that um Kelsey Mann did, the. director, and Pete Doctor, the producer, and all the artists and Pete the creator. and just all the writers, Meg, the the. um. when. anxiety. uh does a small little gesture to let.

when Joy is being finally called back. >> Yeah. Finally, Riley, our character, has. finally calmed herself down on the ice. She's talked to her friends. She's. feeling a little bit like herself. She. gets back on the ice. She starts skating. and Joy is being called back. And. anxiety does a little I told you this. like a little genuflect like a little. gesture of like. this way. Yeah. For people listening, you can't see what Maya and I are doing. What we're doing a little. like your your your table is over here,

ma'am. >> Yeah. It made me cry so hard and I just. thought, "Oh, like the the tiny gesture. of that is like what we're just. we must try to do during. this bananas foster time we're living. in.". >> Yeah. Because that is I mean, whatever. we can do, babe. Well, and to make room. for each other. >> Yeah. >> And like and to make room to get off of. our phones, which we were talking about. before we started rolling, but to get.

off of our phones where we're just being. bombarded by like, "Here's a funny video. of a cat. Here's a video of the. apocalypse. Here's a like here's a funny. joke that that is offensive. Here's a. funny joke that's your humor but would. offend someone else. Here's another. video of the apocalypse." Like it's like. to get out of that and into like, "Oh, here you and I are sitting with each. other.". >> Yeah. We're looking each other in the. eyes. We can still do this. >> Yes. >> still talk and and be and make space for. each other and like you know, look at. the people around us and that we have to. make time to do that even as we make.

time to. try to figure out what is happening. I I. agree. And I you know, I kind of. experience you as a as an old soul. Have. you been told that? >> I have been There has been some ageist. claims about my soul made. >> You must get this a lot. People talk or. they roll their eyes about their about. people's 20s. And what's good about. being in your 20s? Oh, what's good about. being in your 20s? I mean I'm already. starting to have more random body pain. and but I know I have less than I will.

have. So like it's a more pain-free. time. >> Recovery is faster. >> Recovery is faster. >> Yes. >> [laughter]. >> Uh [snorts] so that's good. I still like. I I can still um. I yeah, just general recovery, bounce. back from [laughter] things get more. quickly, emotional recovery. Um inde-. like independence. >> Yeah. >> it's like this kind of miracle window. before insane amounts of responsibility. but after independence where no one's. telling you what to do and that's like.

that's the miracle of your 20s, right? Is that like your responsibilities are. there but they're not like usually kids. and family, you know, or they can be but. you know, but that yet but they are but you have. this freedom. And that's a cool window. of time. And um so bounce back. >> is such a good way to say it, Maya. That. like you're very wise. It It's true. It's like if only one can know the time. they're in and appreciate the time. they're in. It's hard to do. Yeah, it. is. Yeah. Um okay, speaking of the time.

you're in, I want to jump back to little. Maya. because I'm always really interested in. what it what it's like being a New York. kid. >> I was kind of a sad kid or like set. point melancholic, you know, like moody. and emotional and homey and like I but. a New [snorts] York City kid is awesome. You so much stuff to to look at and do. Like my favorite place to go was the. Metropolitan Museum of Art, Temple of. Dendur because [laughter] of The.

Mixed-Up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler. Do you remember that book? And the kids like was ran away. For. anyone who hasn't read it, they ran run. away and they live inside the. Metropolitan Museum of Art and they. sleep in the Queen's bed and they steal. money from the fountain and it's. awesome. And I love that book and I. loved going to the Met and loved going. to the Natural History Museum and I. loved going to the zoo. And there was. just like so much to do activity-based. on a general as like a little kid and I. love that and so many different ways to.

express all your weird interests. Like I. had lots of weird interests as a kid. I. loved like dead insects, like the one. the preserved dead insects and I loved. going to see them at the Science Museum. and I loved rocks and there was like you. know, just like so much exposure and. different kinds of people you could. decide to be. Yeah. And you so much. interaction with difference and that was. so cool and I think so rare cuz so many. people grow up in these little. communities where it's like everyone. feels the same, but in this city you're. like interacting with humanity all the.

time and you get to decide who you are, which is great. And then you get to high. school and it's like being in college. for other people. Like it is crazy. I. went to more clubs between 9th and 12th. grade than I have been since. Right. Like it was. >> of pressure for New York kids to be very. interesting. They There's a lot of pressure to be. interesting, to be adults, to be on the. town. Um there's a lot a lot of that. Did you.

ever have like a 13-year-old like, "I'm. in Studio 54 and I don't know how I got. here.". >> Yes. You did. >> Yes. >> [laughter]. >> Where you're just in a club and it's. like, "I'm a little I [laughter] might. be too young for this. >> for this. >> Hmm, interesting. Seemed like a good idea at first. I'm. proud of myself for getting in here, but. now how do I get out? But I I I love it. I would do it. I would raise kids in New. York. I I I think it's awesome an. awesome way to grow up. >> point, there was an independence. You. took the subway, you walked around, you.

kind of figured out life. What were some. memories of that time when you felt like. adult or grown-up? Ooh. >> a moment where Yeah, that's a good one. >> you had like an adult moment. Well, I. realized in high school that I could cut. class. Yeah. Um and that like the that. there was like no real ramifications to. doing it and so I started like just. doing my own thing like like during the.

day and I. I in high school I experimented with. smoking cigarettes which you [snorts]. shouldn't do and is bad. Very very bad. Very very very bad. Do not do it. >> You look very cool. Don't do it though. Yeah, don't do it. Don't do it but you. look cool. And I but I couldn't buy. cigarettes cuz I was a kid and so I. would occasionally like walk around to. try to bum cigarettes off people. >> I'm talking about. This is what I. picture a New York kid doing. But I went. to school in Brooklyn Heights and the. only people who smoke in Brooklyn. Heights are like construction workers.

and they smoke Newports and I hated. Newports so I would take the subway to. this is a ridiculous story to the East. Village. >> [laughter]. >> so I could bum Marlboro Golds off of cuz. people in the East Village smoke. Marlboro Golds like outside McNally. Jackson bookstore and so I would like. take the sub on my free period, my lunch. break or whatever I'd like be like I. won't go to math today. I'll just like. take a double peer free period and I'll. go take the subway to Greenwich Village. or the East Village and bum a Marlboro.

Gold off some like intelligent like. handsome man smoking outside of a. bookstore. >> filmmaker. >> filmmaker [laughter] like sipping a. cappuccino and I was like I am a. grown-up and this is an adventure. >> the kind of story I pictured. Just getting on the subway for a. cigarette. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, and then getting back because you. have a preference. A neighborhood-based. cigarette preference. >> [laughter]. >> Really ridiculous. I mean during that. time you there was a probably a sense of. you when you knew deep down even in high.

school like I'm not going to worry so. much about math. I'm going to be an. actor. I know what I'm going to do. When. did you know you were going to be an act. you know, when did you feel like I'm. going to really make this my job or my. life? I knew I was going to be like an. artist of some kind. I think I was I. mean I. I think I was really afraid of being an. actor because my parents are both actors. and I got to see that you know, they. were as successful as one as I could. ever have dream dreamed to be in that.

profession and still had so much job. insecurity and stress and highs and low. moments and I was like I don't know if. this seems fun and like and you know, I. had experiences of like going to school. and like trying to leave my house with. like an umbrella cuz there was some. article out and there was paparazzi. around the house and I was like this. seems. uh Yeah. >> Like I don't know about this. And so it wasn't until like 11th grade. where I realized that there was nothing.

else that I was good at and liked. And I was like. you know, like [laughter] I just I like. this. I am good at it. I feel like this. is my community like the other people. who like this I like them and and they. put up with me and cuz they'll put up. with anyone. You know, that's great. about the theater community. They will. put up with anyone. >> [laughter]. >> unless you're mean. and but. I so I would just like found my home and.

I was like okay, I'll figure out that. other stuff. This is what I want to do. Okay, this is a great that's a great. segue into our So we do this thing at. the beginning of each show where we talk. to people who know our guest. >> Oh, no. >> Yes, and just to talk well behind their. back and and it always kind of helps me. figure out if there's questions I should. ask. my guest and also to get to know the. guest more and we talked to your friend. Willa. She's the best. She's the best. Now you. two met on the set of Little Women. >> Mhm. in. >> greatest experience of my life. >> Wait, tell us why.

It was my first professional job. I. I had to. I had to drop out of school to do it and. I was really worried about it and it was. like whatever. I get to Ireland. We're. in this town called Dun Laoghaire. They've I've just never had an. experience this positive. We it was the. four sisters and and the guy who played. Laurie and we fell in love with each. other and we were staying at this. seaside hotel in this port town and it.

was the Royal Marine was the name of. this hotel. And it was like walking. distance from this farmers market and. these restaurants and we just loved each. other and you know, it's gone for me. now. I'm already so old. I can't stay. awake forever. But do you remember when. you were like 18 and 19 and you just. didn't need to sleep at all? Like. somehow I could work a full 14-hour. shooting day and then be like should we. go out? Like and then like you know, and. then I'll learn my lines and then I'll. go to sleep for two hours and then go. back to work. I don't know how we did. it. But it might have just been the raw.

joy of how in love with each other we. were. >> Yeah. Like we were going to set on the. days that we weren't working and being. like I have a note you should try this. in the next scene. We just acting acting. acting we love it and we love each other. and we're all. this is the sisters and it's Ireland and. it's the ocean and like we did a moon. spell where there was a full moon and we. bought crystals from this guy in town. and we put the crystals in the moon and. then we went skinny dipping in the port. and it was freezing and it was like just. happy. It was happy.

>> Fun. That sounds so fun. I mean. she was talk I mean she adores you and. she was talking about exactly that like. how you all connected so fast. And she. was saying that there is this you have. this lust for life. And. that. one of her questions was. do you feel like that's always been. innate like it's kind of what we're. talking about nature versus nurture. You're the you're you know, you have. you're the daughter of artists. You're. looking at one you want to be an artist. Do I want like what do I want the life.

of an artist? What does that even look. like? But there is always like this. little thing inside all of us from the. minute we're born anyway. Like did you. always feel like you had that some kind. of lust for life and her question is do. you think it was innate or was it. nurtured by the environment that you. were in or both? I think both. >> Yeah. I think I've like always believed in. magic and always believed in love in a. really intense way and I think that that. was nurtured in me from a really young. age like.

my you know, my parents are magical and like my mom. like you know, was this magical creature. who like you know, would come home from. work and she was like looking fabulous. but she'd take everything off and. immediately put on like. a big velvet skirt and gardening gloves. and go outside and like teach me how to. like pull up stinging nettles to make. soup and like and the soup would be a. witch's potion cuz it was good for you.

and like she just had this magic to her. and my dad would be like we're going to. watercolor together and we're going to. make a masterpiece and like I'll do this. blue and you do red and we'll see what. we create. Like there was just this. imagination. fostered in in me from a really young. age and I just like I believed. I was really [snorts] lucky to get that. kind of love and that kind of exposure. to seeing the world as a place where. magic is possible. And I just it's like.

the luckiest thing ever to have that. happen and I think it like I always. think about it as like the Harry Potter. you know, in Harry Potter how when his. mom dies she puts a spell on him that. protects him from dying. with love. >> of remember. >> kind of know this. I've read all of them. out loud and I still Harry Potter's mom. protects Harry Potter with a magical. spell. because of course the mother. always has to die. >> to die for the kid to be on an. independent adventure. But. >> In every single story.

>> Yeah, there's actually a whole theory about. that but that was like yeah, about. children's stories and that and you have. to kill the parents in children's. stories because that's how children. become the unfolding of their own story, right? They they they become little. adults. God forbid the mother live long. enough to see her child succeed. God. forbid. But I always feel like that period of. time in my life where my parents my what. my parents did and. gave me this magical spell like love. love spell where like you know, then.

there were other different hard times. in all of our lives but that early. magic protected. Oh my gosh. >> And they do say that like from like one. to five or one to three like is so much. I mean it's a lot of pressure on young. parents because that time is so. important like but like so much of your. belief system about the world and how. you feel and if you feel safe and your. attachment style is formed like so. early. >> And are you I mean cuz I I've sensed.

from you both introvert and extrovert. >> This is true. Oh my god, I got it right. >> it right. >> So what tell me about that? What how. have you figured that out? >> Okay, I see myself as having three cups. There's the extroversion socialization. cup, the alone time cup and the with one. other person having an intimate. conversation cup. >> Ooh. And I need all three cups to be. somewhat full to be functioning. Like if. I've had too much parties, work, like.

not no alone time and just these two. cups are full. Oh, I'm gesturing and. this is audio but um. >> The people. you're making you're gesturing cups. >> I'm I'm gesturing cups. But um the you. know, if I'm then I really feel bad and. I need alone time. If I've got too much. alone time and not enough socialization, I really feel bad and drained. So, I'm. always trying to like look at my. schedule and my life and be like, am I. getting enough friend time in. one-on-one? Am I getting enough alone.

time? Am I getting enough like. energizing social outside in the world, going to see a concert, going to see a. play, going to something. Like, I need a. little bit of everything. >> I love the cups um idea. Um I do. something similar. where I think about a refrigerator and I. think about magnets and then I. in in in the best day ever all five. magnets are on the refrigerator, but I. try to get three. So, it's like work, motherhood, friendship, you know, uh.

spirituality, wellness, some kind of. care and um. and uh what's my fifth magnet? Uh. relationship. So, it's like if you can. get three out of five, it's like, today. I was a good partner, today I I did like. some good mom stuff and I worked a. little bit. Or it's like, no, today I. took care of myself, today I met with. friends and today I, you know, um gave. my kids some good advice. Whatever is. the magnet that you can put on there. Very rare to get five. >> Yeah, but you don't want to go too long.

without having a day that has. like you don't want to leave one of them. You get a dusty magnet. >> You don't want to get a dusty magnet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We could go We could. You and I could sell the cup and magnet. >> just thinking that. We could make We. [laughter] could make these magnets. We. could do a separate podcast just about. this and we can make billions billions. of dollars and it would be good another. good billion. And it would be like, uh. with me today is Maya. Hawke. Um she's of course the inventor. of the cup theory. She [laughter] brought me that theory.

when I was working on my magnet project. and together yeah We've got cups and. magnets. We're touring the world. Um okay, you finished Stranger Things, it's done. What was it like when it's. that's a wrap on Maya Hawke? A series wrap. I know you can't tell us. anything, but I do hope you tell us how. it ends, but I will of course I will. Great, thank you. You can tell me off. the air, but. uh. uh what was it like hearing series wrap?

>> Well, I want to hear what it's been like. for you like what it was like for you on. Parks. Like it is You know, it's I I. think for people who don't know, right? So, if you're an actor on set, you get. like that's a season wrap on Maya like. season four, all right, and you get your. last shot and often people will kind of. clap and stand around and say stuff, but. series wrap is a big deal and on a show. like yours, which has been such a long journey for. you and for everyone involved and. there's been strikes and there's been. COVID in the middle of all of it and.

everyone's gotten older and grown up and. everyone's been watching and watching. and watching. >> Yeah. Um. a good AD will make sure that that. that that series wrap. means something that people are there. and they're there for you and like it's. just a it's a big moment. >> Matt and Ross, who are amazing, wrote. scenes that seemed to have some. connective tissue for the characters and. for us. And on this last day of. shooting, we got to film these scenes.

that had this beautiful connective. tissue and I actually think I like. learned something about acting that way. that day and being present in your own. emotion as a person and the emotion of. the character and allowing those two. wires to connect. >> Yeah. And I. my life has been changed as an actor. The way that I act has changed since. that series wrap day. It and and it was. so emotional. I cried all day long from. beginning to end in these like kind of.

crashing waves and I just love I love. everybody on that show so much and it's. been so it's shaped me so much and we've. been on such a long complicated journey. together. >> you were like 19? >> at 19, which is like, you know, lots of. them started at like nine and have been. doing it for 10 years and I've been. doing it for seven and started at 19. So, I mean, I got nothing on them, but. >> that you've been on a show for seven. years and you still think you're the new. kid. Exactly. I I do I do still think I'm the new kid.

and um but it was really emotional and. and. I don't know if I'll ever have another. experience like it. Yeah, I mean, congratulations on that show. It's your. work is so good. That show is so great. and it really. I mean, just to, you know, I'm sure you. can feel the anticipation growing. I I. can't even imagine the press junket. you're going to have to do when this. when this show comes out of like it's. going to be bananas. of how you're going to be talking about.

like it it that show feels like. I don't know that the audience has been. with through with you, too. Like it it. feels like the audience has also been. through it. Yeah. I guess is the only. way to say it that the the kids on the. show and the audience have not had an. easy couple of years. [laughter] No. >> And it's there's something about it that. feels very cathartic about the end of. it. >> Yeah, and I don't even know if I'm right. about this, but I have always seen the. upside down as a metaphor for depression. and anxiety and in some ways of like.

your teen years. It's really hard to be a teenager. And. the like. the hormones that get released, the new. emotions. so. that get released of depression and. anxiety and self-awareness and. self-consciousness. It's like a hard. period of life to survive. Um and I've. always seen the upside down as like. this, you know, portal that opened up to. all those emotions for these young. people and like navigating one's way out.

of it and through community and bravery. and friendship. It's really emotional and like the, you. know, the allegories to what's going on in the. world right now are plentiful and. it means a lot to me to get to be a part. of something like this because it's. really a once-in-a-lifetime thing, these. like adventure stories and these hero. stories about kids and groups of kids. grow up with this. You know, they grow. up simultaneously with you and it's I'm.

so grateful. I just it's such a special. thing to get to be a part of. >> That's so awesome. And and and you and. and your friends like Joe and Sadie are. like doing music, you're on stage. You're all doing a bunch of things. together at the same time. Can I talk. about your music for a second because. I would be curious your relationship to. You're such a a You're such a. a a talented and multi-talented artist. who can do a lot of things very well. And like what I imagine for you, what I. picture in the future.

is us hearing you writing and directing. and producing and doing so many things. as well as acting and music, but right. now you're you have two very big careers. in. what are and sometimes feel like very. dis- disparate ways of participating in. the arts. It's like. if acting acting is one kid and music is. the other. >> Who's my favorite kid? >> Yeah, who's your favorite kid? >> [laughter]. >> Well, okay, the way I like to see First. of all, I don't know how to do a good. job balancing. I don't have a favorite. kid. I love creativity and I love.

storytelling and I see them as. completely connected and like if there. was an outlet on the wall with two. plugs, it's like different lamps that. you plug into the same power source is. how I feel about it. That said, I'm a. much more trained actor than I am a. musician and I'm a much more confident. actor than a musician. Walking onto set. or onto stage like, you know, a. rehearsal period is where I feel. confident and comfortable.

and I feel like I know the rules and I. know how I like I like I like it there. and I feel really grounded. Music is. really scary and it's like it's like it. terrifies me. Performing live terrifies. me. Writing terrifies me. What people. are going to make of my lyrics terrify. me. Like it's all really scary. So, it's. the same power source. One of the lamps. is like a scary Halloween lamp that I. like don't totally know how it works and. the other lamp is like my favorite. bedside nightlight or something that's. like, this is my comfort zone.

>> And if you want to listen to Maya's lamp. workshop, you need to go to the Beverly. Wilshire. >> go to cups and magnets. >> Cups and lamps and magnets. >> No, it's so true and. just to put out just to manifest just. for the second for fun. Do you ever uh like do you ever think. about writing a musical? Ooh, do you. think about writing a musical? >> Yes, but but but that's not what you. were going to say. Oh my god, but what. musical do you want to write? >> know. >> [laughter]. >> Yes, okay, the answer is yes. So, great, write that. But do you ever have like a.

a fantasy of being on stage singing and. singing with someone who you like, you. know, deeply like do you have a. an artist whose voice musical artist. whose voice you fantasize about. harmonizing with and singing with? Alive or dead? You know, I I have a lot of different people that. I love. I am terrified of harmonizing. You are? That's the only thing that I. can kind of do.

>> Really? It really scares me. I I am not. a good harmonizer and and I and it. scares me. >> So, what about forget the harmony? >> But just singing. >> forthy like. >> I would love I would love to I would. love to sing with Joni. Uh-huh. I mean, I would have to do like a harmony like a. one-note harmony while she danced all. over the place, but I I love Joni. I. mean, this morning I was listening to. Judy Sill a bunch and I love Judy Sill. and I love Joni and I'm obsessed with.

Adrianne Lenker and I am obsessed with. Taylor Swift and I'm obsessed with I. mean, I just love. You love singer female. singer-songwriters. I love songwriters. I just think they're so cool. Yeah. >> And I it's like almost that fantasy is. more like to get to write a song with. someone. Yeah. >> Not like like singing it and performing. it is less the dream. It's like writing. a song with someone that would be the. dream. Ooh, I love Okay, and speaking of. writers and and artists you have worked.

with in the in in in films you've worked. with really talented uh distinct voices. Wes Anderson, um Bradley Cooper, Quentin Tarantino. That. that experience of getting on a set with. someone who feels like they have a very. strong sense Do you like that? Do you. like like being in someone's simulation. basically? Do you like jumping in there? >> Yes, I find it extremely fun and really. relaxing. >> Yes. Um You were in Once Upon a Time in.

Hollywood with like five actors you were. all playing Manson Manson Manson people. Mansonish. >> Manson Manson-esque. >> And did your mom give you Uma Thurman is. your mom? Did she give you any advice. about working with Quentin? >> Keep your shoes on. Keep your shoes on. Keep [laughter] them on, baby. He's. going to try to get. You were warned, baby. Keep them on. Keep those shoes on. >> [laughter]. >> Perfect advice. Perfect. Did she come to. the set? No. Yeah, it's weird to have. your parents come to set. Yeah, I know.

It's just I don't even. >> Oh, I don't even find it weird. She She. just wasn't in town. We're New Yorkers. It was LA. Right. She's like I'm not. going to LA. No, I have too many things. to do. I love that set cuz I was a set. kid. I think it's the best place on. Earth. >> Okay, tell me about sets you were on. when you were a kid. >> Oh oh so many. I mean one of the most. memorable ones was the set of My Super. Ex-Girlfriend because I got to get into. the flying suit. And it was a movie that. my mom did. It's really good and really. funny and but she had she was a. superhero so she flew in it and I got to.

be like I got to get into the thing and. like fly across this studio and. I but really the thing I remember about. sets is they all blur together except I. love crafty. Mhm. >> And I loved the it was like this safe. little world where I could be alone. So. like no one needed to be watching me. I. could walk over to crafty and take. cookies and M&M's and gummy bears and. get them and I could go watch the stunt. people practice and then I could go. watercolor in the trailer and I could go. to the costume shop and help them so and. it was just like Disneyland basically. where I was independent and left alone.

and allowed to explore and allowed to. just like park my butt at the monitors. and watch take after take after take. after take and it's really where I fell. in love. >> Mhm. with acting was backstage at the. theater and onset. And so I think it was. the most fun thing ever. What always. shocks me is when I invite people to. come to set that they don't want to come. and when they come they get bored. I'm. like, "What do you mean? It's. Disneyland." And they're like, "You just. did the same scene nine times from one. direction and then move the camera and.

are doing it nine more times. How on. Earth is this like Disneyland?". >> This is so interesting. I'm the exact. opposite. People want to come to set cuz. they seem like it's interesting and I. say it's not. It's boring. Well, I it's. very true and I will say one of my. favorite things in the world generally. is to be not busy around a busy person. So I still like to go with people to set. because it's where I'm the most at peace. because I all my cups are getting. filled. I'm not alone but I also and I'm.

there's tons of exposure to people if I. want it but I can be totally alone and. not busy and just like reading my little. book somewhere and it's fine. So it's. got this like social not social privacy. all these different things all at once. and it feels so good to me. It's like. such a nice way to spend time with. someone is like five minutes when they. have a break. Hi, how are you? How are. you? That was cool. That was good. Goodbye. I'm reading my book again. Like it's. That's it's I love it. So I think I. there's something I really love about. visiting other people on set and having.

visitors on set. when they feel like I do. And you. brought up the cup system and just once. again for $59.99. you two can learn Maya's cup system. It. comes with a workbook. There is a we do a in person You have to. watch a 7-minute video before a paywall. And then we're going to be in Reno. November 15th. We're very excited. Um. okay, and then. the the other question I wanted to ask. you is cuz you know, you played anxiety.

The world is anxious. You're really in. touch with those feelings and you take. great pride and I think in being part of. like a big discussion about it. What do. you. listen to, watch, read? How do you make. yourself laugh? Like what are you. getting Where are you getting your your. joy Where are you getting your joy from? >> Where am I getting my joy from? Well, recently I got a lot of joy from the. Fourth Wing book series. Fan It's fantasy. It's like romanticy.

fantasy dragon college basically a. dragon war college. and that was my escapism of choice. Sorry. You said so many things just now. Okay, so say again. It's called. >> The Fourth Wing is the name of the first. book. >> And it is a dragon college? >> It's a it's a war college for dragon. riders in a fantasy universe. It's. romantic. It's very sexy. Um. Uh I've been looking for a new fantasy.

is my new. like who I never thought it would be a. genre I'm into. I'm so into it. >> into it. I felt the same way. I'm so. into it. >> Have you read The Name of the Wind? >> No. Okay. Patrick Rothfuss? Mhm. Uh r o. t h f u s. >> Rothfuss. Rothfuss Rothfuss. Um he wrote a book called The Name of. the Wind. >> Okay. And it is um it is a. a series. It's part of The Kingkiller Chronicles. >> Mhm. Um and it's a fantasy novel and.

it's basically just like it's just a. the story of um. a like a child who grows up in a in and. how he becomes like this. kingkiller. It's Cool. >> But it's very like school to train to. get to the thing. >> Give me a training sequence. I love it. >> [screaming]. >> Make me into the person I was always. meant to be. >> I know. I love it too. I. >> Force me to do it. >> [laughter].

>> Oh my gosh, I love that because What do. you like about The Fourth Wing? What did. you like it just like. >> incredible hardcore training sequences. There's a very hot um like guy who's. like he's a rebel and like maybe he's. bad except obviously the bad guys are. the actually the good guys and the good. guys are the bad guys and you have to. figure that out and it's awesome and and. he like trains her cuz he's like you. would their lives get wed together. spoilers. and like he's like you have to live so. that I can live and so he's like do.

sit-ups and she's like, "Okay.". >> [laughter]. >> it really works for me is all I can say. Um. Do [laughter] your sit-ups. Do sit-ups. Do sit-ups. You got to have a strong. core if you're going to fight those. dragons. >> Those dragons go right for your core. You got to Yeah and she's like stabbing. him with knives and he's like, "Yeah, good job. Good job. Good job." You know, it's amazing. Um Do you read or listen? >> I I read those. I I do it both. I do a lot of audiobooks. but I've recently been trying to get.

back into paper paper books. Yeah. Yeah. And. so that's been bringing me joy. I watch. piles of TV. I love comedy. Recently I. loved The Studio. That was really fun. So funny. I mean the choice the sartorial choices. in that alone but they're incredible. The way that character is so ridiculous. and my buddy Ike is in that who is so. great too. That episode where he kept. getting thanked at the Golden Globes and.

Scott was thanking him is just. >> extraordinary. >> and funny. Also the old school Hollywood. party where Zoë Kravitz is like, "Old. school Hollywood means there's drugs in. the food?". >> [laughter]. >> I love that. That really got me. She was so good in that episode. Um. Yeah, so I've I I've been doing that. I. Do you ever like. I mean I I guess straight You know, Stranger Things is like it's a new it's. like current fantasy. I mean that's. fantasy.

>> Yeah. But um. would you ever want to. >> Yes. Okay. Great. I [laughter] don't need to finish it. Um because I think I think that what I'm. getting like really don't need to finish. it cuz what I'm getting from our convo. today is like. story adventure fantasy the the kind of. bigness of life is like what energizes. you. Like you're excited about the next. Like you're really looking for You have.

like a really big capacity for big. swirly ideas. I really love them. I mean. not to mention that like almost all of. the best fantasy is about humans banding. together to take over fascist regimes. Like it's just a general theme. >> Right. of Yes. of of fantasy and like about the. little guy rising up and I really and I. think that's partly why it's the as a. genre is kind of exploding right now. Like people like romanticy and fantasy.

people are really it's like always at. the top of the bestseller list these. days and I think it's because. community it's always about like. unlikely band of maniacs and different. people from different places that find. each other and come together to try to. build a new world that works better for. them than it used to. >> I just want to say that like getting the. experience of talking about Inside Out 2. with you and getting to know you has. been so great and I hope we get to make. another one. >> I would really like to I mean I would. like to do anything with you. That would be so wonderful I I but I.

would really hope we get to make another. one cuz I want to see more of anxiety. and joy learning how to work together. >> I know, >> they have the same physical symptoms. And um they look they get things done, okay? >> things done and they're excited. Some. emotions like to chill out, lie on the. couch, and those are important too, but. anxiety and joy are going to like keep. things moving. >> Yeah. Yeah, I know. They are. I'm so. happy that you came today, Joy. I'm. joyful that you came today. I was. anxious about it. [laughter] No, I.

wasn't actually. I was just excited. Thank you so much. >> Thank you so much for coming, Maya. Thanks for having you and love seeing. you. You're the best. Love you so much. You're the best. >> best. I mean, I would do something with. you even with our real flesh and blood. bodies. >> Okay, yeah, we can do that too. I mean, I prefer animated, but. >> It's just a lot easier for me in terms. of hair and makeup. I mean, the the also. just the pajama pants aspect. >> But if you do make a Fourth Wing movie, I will play. >> I will. I mean, I will play the dragon. I will not be in charge of making it. Here's Here's hoping. Here's begging the. world.

>> I will I will. donate my body to be the dragon. I will. donate [laughter] my body to dragons. Thank you, Maya Hawke. That was such a. great conversation. I loved it. And. uh for this Polar Plunge, I just want to. talk about books because we talked a. little bit about books and how they are. bringing us joy. And I want to mention again. a fantasy book that I love. It's called. The Name of the Wind. by Patrick Rothfuss. I'm eagerly awaiting the next book, sir, so chop chop. So check it out and.

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