Lena Dunham | Good Hang with Amy Poehler

Hello everyone. Welcome to another. episode of Good Hang. We have Lena. Dunham with us today. Lena, actress, writer, producer, creator of Girls, best-selling author of her memoir, Famesick. We are going to get into it. with Lena. We are going to talk about um. Norah Efron. We're going to talk about. the productivity myth and how we're all. suffering because of it. We're going to. talk about whether or not one should go. on Great British Bake Off. Is it.

actually worth it? We are going to get. into so much good stuff today. We had a. great conversation and we always like to. talk to somebody who knows our guest who. has a question for our guest and wants. to speak well behind their back. And we. spoke to Natalie Portman, classy actress. Natalie, you know her. from the Black Swan, from rapping on. SNL, from a little indie called Star. Wars. and she and Lena are working on a. romcom together. So, uh, let's get. Natalie on the horn, I believe. Um,

we're talking to her from outside of the. country. So, bonjour or bonis. Natalie, this episode is presented by Hilton. Guys, you know what vacation. perfectionism is? It's the pressure to. get your family's summer vacation booked. and make it perfect and memorable. Stressful, right? Don't worry, cuz the. team at Hilton takes care of what. matters so you can exhale and.

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>> You too. Thanks for talking to us today. First of all, congrats on the summer. bob. >> Thank you. You, too. I mean, well, you're kind of you've been you've been. doing it for for a while, right? >> Well, I have I have, you know, visually. like no option with my hair. My hair is. kind of my hair just cuts itself. Okay. So, um first of all, congratulations on. all the things that are happening for. you, including this new film that you're. in. >> with Mark Ruffalo.

and my wife Rashidita Jones and many. others. >> She's my wife, too. So, I'm glad we. share that in common. >> Well, I'd like to I'd like to talk about. that because we can't share her. >> She's a polygamist. That's okay. >> Well, I'd like to get her on the horn. and make her pick. >> That's fair. That's fair. >> That would actually probably be her. nightmare if we called Rashidita right. now and like me or Natalie. >> Exactly. She'll be like, "Ezra,

>> I do want to talk about your film and. and working with Lena." But but by the. way, have you been listening to the um. Lonely Island Seth Myers podcast at all? >> No, but I've heard amazing things about. it. highly recommend their episode about. your rap. It's so it's so good and it's. so funny and it's like very indepth. about how it all came together. >> They're the best and that was so fun. >> That was and it just it's such a time.

capsule too because it's just like a. time in the 2000s. So that's it. >> Birth of YouTube like so wild. >> You've got short hair. So exciting. >> Yeah. Post head shaving. Wow, that was a growin. Sure. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> man. You know, you're not really an. actress unless you have one head. shaving. >> Like, you got to shave your head once. >> Have you ever shaved your head? >> No. I I would I have kind of a small.

head, so I would be. >> That's surprising. I wouldn't guess. that. >> Oh, really? Thank you so much. >> Does my head look larger? >> Perfectly normal size. You know, well, you know the whole theory that like the. bigger the head, the more successful you. are. Do you know this theory? >> Oh, really? No, I don't. >> Um, when at SNL, I'm sure this happened. to you, too, when you were there. Like, they'll measure your head, you know, for. prosthetics and stuff like that. And so,

you get a sense of who has really big. heads. And supposedly, historically, the bigger the head, the bigger the. paycheck. >> No way. That's really funny. >> Now that I've brought this up, you're. going to start to notice. You're going to start to notice like, wow, he has a huge head. Like he's. that's why he's running a country or. whatever. You're going to notice it. >> So funny. But I mean, I feel like you're. pretty successful, Amy. >> Thank you so much. Maybe I Maybe I'm a.

smallheaded success. >> Maybe. Yeah, maybe you're an outlier. >> But I do wear a I wear a young boy's. hat. I can wear a young man's hat. >> That's very lucky. Very lucky. >> So, I'm interviewing Lena today. >> Yes. >> And you know, I'm kind of getting her. after a lot of interviews like she's. been kind of on on tour, online, like. really out there. And um I've known her. for a long time and I'm excited to talk.

about the different ways that I've known. her, but I've never known her as a. director. I've never worked with her in. that way. and I'm curious what kind of. director she is and what it was like to. work with her in that way. >> Um, she's the best director I've one of. one of the best if not the best I've. worked with. She's. so on point. Like the notes she gives. are so. like astute and specific and like she.

pays attention to everything. And she. doesn't also like hesitate to give. compliments too about very specific. things along with like maybe try this. different. And she's extremely nurturing. and generous and kind to everyone on set. at all times. Like I would go home every. day being like, "How does she have the. energy?" Because the amount of like. generosity and kindness and.

thoughtfulness she puts out all day to. everyone is like pretty miraculous. So. the very like the environment on set is. incredible cuz everyone's just so happy. >> Not a surprise to hear that and so nice. to hear that. And that's a really. interesting specific that you said, which is that she will compliment. something you've done. Like that isn't. always the case. Like it's nice when. people notice something that you try and. say, I noticed it.

>> Exactly. And and it's specific cuz a lot. of people will be like, "Oh, good job.". Or like, "That was a really nice take.". or something. But like I like how you. like accented the you know word in that. that was really funny in that line you. know very a very specific thing that she. notices or like that face you made in. response to Rashida or whatever like. that was great or. >> it's it's not just a general like you. can tell she's really just watching so.

carefully and sharply. Um, and her ideas. are so good and she comes up with like. brilliant new lines all the time, you. know, the way only great comedy minds. like yourself can do. >> Okay. So, do you have a question for our. guest today, Lena, that you think might. be a good one to ask her? >> My question for her is what Well, I had. one kind of. one that I personally want to know, which is what is the best kind of pig to. get? Okay. So, you're thinking about.

getting a pig? >> Actually can't in where I live, but but. I dream about it in the future one day. and she has a lot of knowledge about. this. Um, so and I like to hear her talk. about pigs. >> That is a great question because I do. enjoy pigs. They are really cute. >> Yeah. So, Lena, what is the best pig? >> And I say get the pig. You know what I. mean? Even if you're not allowed to have. it. So the problem is is that where I. rent there's wild boores.

>> Oh yeah. >> Apparently the wild boores mate with. pigs and make a very dangerous. >> hybrid. >> and so it's illegal in that area. >> Okay. because there's some. >> Did not expect that to be those. >> vicious hybrid baby pig. and I don't want to be respons I think. I'll get kicked out of France so. >> okay it's very smart that is that is.

actually that's very responsible. parenting that's responsible pig. parenting. >> and the I have a thousand questions. about the wild boores. >> I mean it's the main topic of. conversation. >> you ne you never hear about like really. nice boores Well, I think like. domesticated boores are pigs, right? >> I'm not ready to say that. >> I don't know. >> I don't know what we should ask Lena. >> We should ask because the boar, the big. boar is going to come for us in a way.

that I'm not ready for. >> Okay, I'm going to ask her the. difference between boores and pigs. >> Um, Natalie, thank you so much for doing. this. It really means a lot. And before. we go, would you just mind saying in. French to me, um, have a wonderful day, Amy. Um, and your head may be small, but your. but your but your heart is large.

>> The France is going to murder me for. that. >> They're going to send the Bors. They're. going to send the bars. Dingdong. You're. going to hear a ding-dong right now. There's going to be four French Bors. Um, language Bors. No, thank you for. doing that. It sounds beautiful. Anything you say sounds beautiful and. especially in French. Thank you, Natalie. Thanks. It's really nice to see. you. Thanks for doing this. >> Glad to see you. >> Yeah, you too. Okay. You too, honey.

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and seem to have liked it. I think it. kind of rules. >> Yeah. Like. >> I like it. I like getting older much. more than being young. You don't know. anything better than different than. being young when you're young. So you. don't realize, but there's like a. >> some kind of pressure that's. dissipating. >> Yeah. >> And some kind of attention that is no. that you no longer either feel you are. supposed to be seeking or are getting. And it's a huge relief. I said like. sometimes it's like you're g I'm in the. good way gaining a cloak of. invisibility. >> Yeah. And also I was so even though.

people seem to think of me as someone. who's really like marching to the beat. of my own drum or whatever, I was so. dominated by shoulds and musts and ought. to. And now I feel really okay going. that's not really my thing. That's not. for me. So glad if it's for you, >> not for me. I mean even just realizing. like I don't really like to go to. parties, >> dude. I don't like to go to parties. It's not even that I want to be asleep. early. I just want to be in bed early to. stay up late doing what I want to do in.

bed. >> Well, I want to talk to you about your. sleep. Okay. >> Okay. >> Cuz I have some thoughts. >> Okay. I would love to get them. >> because we talk we we we you talk a lot. about it in the book and I can't wait to. talk about it. But. >> but when you don't like going to a. party, what would be your ideal. gathering? >> Great. What would be my good hang to. bring it to bring it back? >> Thank you. I like to hang out on the. couch or on bed with a one friend, two. friends, >> one or two. >> Maybe we order some food. We hang out. with some animals. We gab. Then they.

leave early enough that you have time to. maybe like potter around, move one pile. of things from one corner of the room to. another, >> then read a book and maybe like watch a. little bit of a murder documentary and. then fall to sleep. >> and text them and be like, "That was. fun.". >> Yes. And be like, "I love being your. friend. I wish we were still together. But you're very happy that you're like. both on your mats. >> Yes, totally. That's exactly what I. like. Or I like like when I'm hang out. with my nuclear family and I like when. we all four of us read on different.

tufted surfaces near each other. >> and then everyone sort of like puts. themselves to bed. We parallel play and. then everyone puts themselves to bed. >> I mean, I bet you get this a lot and you. talk about it a little bit in your book. like you present as such an extrovert, right? And I relate. I present very. extroverted too, but I from what you've. written about that you are secretly. quite introverted. Yes. >> And it's kind of hard to you're in an. extroverted business. >> and you like to talk and you like to.

have other people talk. You want to draw. that out of other people, too. >> I love I like to talk and I like to. listen. >> Yeah. You you love to have a. conversation. I know that about you. And. that is expensive. >> Yes. >> But it takes a very long time to realize. that, especially if you're good at it. Well, it's interesting. That's very. beautifully put, but and I've always. found you to be exceedingly wise. Even I. have always found you to be, despite. your um adorable little blonde Bob, you. are a wise. >> Oh my god, thank you. I was talking. about a Bob earlier. >> You are a very wise lady.

>> It's a Bob Summer. >> After a party, I mean, I have to stare. at the wall and dissociate for 18 hours. minimum. >> It actually leads me into my first. question to you, which is you've been on. a press tour. You've been you've been. talking non-stop with many people about. your book, which is a very personal. >> Yeah. >> book. >> So, now that you've done a bunch of. these, what have you learned about what. how you like to talk about it? >> How can like how do you take care of. yourself when you talk about it? These. are such good questions. Um I you've.

done this before. I I was like, it's a. strange thing to write a book about what. it cost you to go on press tours and. talk and talk about yourself and then go. on a press tour and talk about it. Like. maybe the most truthful thing would have. been to like just, you know, drop it. like a surprise album and then go, I'll. be in my bedroom for 6 months. You guys. figure it out. But at the same time, I. really love this is going to sound I. really love books and um but I really. love books and I really love I feel. really lucky that I got to write it and.

really like and there's and there's. issues in it like you know the trying to. talk about what it how we kind of um. perceive and consume female celebrity. how chronic illness mental health stuff. that's like feels like. >> things that I am excited to get to talk. about in the right way. >> Yeah. >> But I had to really remind myself before. going out. I when I was. >> really tap dancing as hard as I could in. my 20s, >> I went into every interview basically.

the way that I would have gone into like. every playd date when I was in second. grade, which was I hope you want to be. my friend and I hope you want to invite. me back. I My mom always called it she. always she still does she'll be like 50%. rule because she always says that I. could give 50% less energy in situations. and everything would be fine. because I have tried to give 25%. I. mean, I really do feel like you're. you're speaking to something really. true. Not just women obviously, but a.

lot of women overd deliver. >> They overd deliver in every way and then. they're exhausted. >> and they match and bitter. Well, of. course, I resent I resent the things I. do to myself. This is going to sound. like a detour, but it's not. Which is. that. >> I have pet pigs and. >> Oh, we're going to talk about. >> to quote Lisa Ren Rena's memoir title, you better you better believe I'm going. to talk about it or whatever. It's.

called you know I'm going to talk about. it. >> And to quote Wanda Sykes's book, yeah, I. said it. >> Continue. But there is a thing when. you're train when I got a pig, I. realized, okay, this is not like a dog. This is not like a cat. I need to get. some I need to get a specialist in here. to teach me how to do this. And there's. a woman named Susan Madson who is the. preeminent. >> pig trainer and rescue artist of our. time. >> Excellent. >> And Susan has a zoom that she does every. Monday night called for pig's sake where.

all pig owners can get on and ask her. questions. Susan and at her farm, Ross Mill Farms, where she takes in all the pigs that. people adopted because they thought they. were so cute and little and then they. are 200 pounds of attitude of pure. attitude. But one of the things that. happens to house pigs is that they. develop something called spoiled SPS, spoiled pig syndrome, which it is it is. a well-known condition wherein a pig. starts to if you ask your pig, say if.

say you give your pig treats, but you. don't ever ask them to do a trick for. those treats, right? >> Suddenly, you ask them to do anything, they're like, "No, that's not the deal. that we were in." And then they start to. become aggressive. They start to destroy. things. They get an attitude because. they've got spoiled pig syndrome. And I. told my brother about it and he was. like, "You mean like what you've done to. everybody that you've ever dated? Like. you have the worst.". >> Yes. Treats without the trick. >> Treats. >> Where's the trick, babe? >> Where's the trick, babe? There is no.

trick. And he said also, >> it's the thing about spoiled pig. syndrome is at the end of the day, you. have a spoiled pig and it's nobody's. fault but your own. >> That's the worst part. >> I know. is it always comes back to I. mean that I would say that is the one. thing about being over 40 is there's. just less and less ability. to kind of put the blame externally like. you're like oh no I know better thank. god I know better but [ __ ] now I know. better. >> okay it took you eight years to write. this book.

>> how did you know when it was done. >> really good question um a really good. question there was so my editor Andy. Ward is one of my most favorite people. We love Andy Ward. >> We live for Andy Ward and And he's just. a good. >> He's a good man. He's I don't try to go. around using the term girl dad a lot. I. don't love it, but. >> but he is he is a girl dad. He's a girl. dad to us all. And he's a writer dad, and he's just the greatest. And he what. I love is that a lot of people in this. economy would just go, "Okay, there.

seems to be like enough gossip that. maybe People magazine would mention. >> quotes that we can get that out there.". >> Yeah, we can get that out there. Okay, it's ready. And he really cares and he. really pushed me to, you know, I started. the book when I was, you know, three. months out of rehab and I just thought. like. >> I'll jot off some of these experiences. and then they will have left my body and. I'll never have to think about it again. >> And it ended up sort of the thing you. said about having to look at yourself. I. was like, "This isn't going to be.

>> yeah, >> something that is worth the paper that. it's printed on if I don't. >> if I have to tell the story and I also. have to try to understand how I got. there." And. >> it turns out that takes time. And you. know, you've talked about there's. there's so many things in the book. There's about there's there's. relationship breakups. There's. >> tons of stuff about figuring out um like. you spoke of like how to participate in. the system and how the system works for. you and against you. And there's a lot. of stuff about personal stuff about. people that you worked with, but I'm I'm.

also interested in a couple things, but. but I'm also interested in the way you. you speak about like looking for wisdom. a little bit, especially in women that. were a little older. I was really I want. I could have read a million pages about. you and Nora Efron. >> It was. >> and I we talk about her on this podcast. a lot. I never had the pleasure to meet. her, but you two would have really had a. ball. >> Thank you for saying that. I would have. loved to have met her. And I guess it's. not really a deep question, but it kind. of feels like it is like she gave you.

tips, decorating tips. >> She did, >> but that feels very just like very. maternal. One of the ways that she. showed care was she had this like. incredible mental rolodex of here's. where you get your bagels and here's. where you blow your hair out and here's. who should paint your walls, but the guy. who paints your walls is different than. the guy who paints your floors. Like. giving you all the tools to live well. She said to me, "You cannot shoot a. movie without this very specific. Patagonia lightweight." She was like, "And don't get the medium weight. Get.

the lightweight zip puffer cardigan.". >> You know, these things. She was just. like, I have I've been here for a while. and I've figured out. >> she's curated her life. >> She's curated her life. It was exactly. that. And she and I felt like how lucky. am I to be the person that she has. chosen to give this all of this. incredible wisdom and information to. And when she died, I mean, there are. hundreds of us. Somehow she found the. time. >> to do this. >> She would just see someone and think,

>> I don't know if she thought, you know, they amused me enough that I can stand. to have them around or if she just. thought they seem like they need it. But. she showed up for. >> Yeah. other women, younger women, in. this way that was so mind-blowing. And I. think part of why she did it was because. it it also made her feel good. Well, now. that you're like now millennials are. getting older and welcome to the club, millennials. I'm here to say it's not so. bad. But now millennials are turning 40. like and they're like you're becoming.

men a mentor. You you have mentees, I'm. sure. And I love what you said in your. book about how you really try to not. give that much advice where you just try. to say like I'm here and I'm available. >> Yeah. >> Figuring out how to be a good mentor is. really interesting. And so I'm curious. because I feel like sometimes I never. want to get caught in the trap of. thinking that I know better than they. do. Like if I see somebody doing. something where I think that's going to. really hurt you and and and damage if. I'm like have the opportunity to sort of.

put my arm out like a seat belt, but at. the same time I don't think I could hear. it when I was that age. >> So like to use a great metaphor, not my. pig, not my farm. Like you can't save anybody from. themselves. I mean, you know, this is. some Cody Cody stuff we're talking. about. Like when you see somebody it's. like what are you going to be like don't. do it? Like what are you going to say? Don't do that job. Don't take don't date. that guy. Like we all have to make these. mistakes and nobody listens when you do. anyway. If someone has a question and I.

can answer it, I am delighted. And I'm. also always saying and then you do. exactly whatever you want and I will be. here. >> cheering you on. Speaking of that, >> the way you talk about. >> the productivity myth in your book. >> is it really spoke to me as a Gen Xer. So my Jen grew up with like working girl. and you wear your sneakers in the subway. and like hustle and like. >> you know and Madonna's documentary was. like I'm going to play through the pain. and Lady Gaga's documentary was like I'm.

I have fibromyalgia and I'm really. suffering totally different. >> and both showed this like version of. like how to get through what you're. getting through but we got sold this. idea that if you're not producing you're. not worthwhile. And I know you struggled. with that too. What can you say about. that or what have you learned about that. through the writing of this book or just. through like living life? >> Well, when I saw 5 foot2, the Gaga. documentary, that was one of the most.

emotional. I remember I just kept. rewinding cuz I'd never seen these. things on camera before. >> and I always thought that if people. found out what was going on with me. physically behind the scenes that they'd. be like, "Well, this one's defective. We. want a new one." I mean, >> yeah. >> And Hollywood has not done anything to. make us think that isn't. >> That's right. the approach. I mean, we. maybe can can speak about things a. little bit. Maybe a producer would not. feel comfortable saying out loud, "That. one's defective. We want a new one." But. the but the behavior remains the same.

And so there was a lot of time of. reminding myself that all of these. people's ideas of what a valuable life. is, of what what of the right way to. spend your time, of how to prioritize. >> your health versus the work, your health. versus a press junket. >> Yeah. >> Didn't have to be mine. I remember once. before a job them going, "So how do you. how long before you get sick do you. usually know that it's going to happen? And I was like, it never even occurred.

to me that that I was like sometime I. don't know like when it starts I don't I. don't know what to say. There was this. idea that you could almost like schedule. your body's. >> collapse. It's funny you say that. because my brain like what this book did. is it like which I think good writing. does is it makes you think about like. wait how am I thinking about the world? And to your point now what I'm realizing. is what I want to do to extend the. conversation is be like ask people how. did they do their system? How do they.

work it? So that conversation you have. with producers is really helpful. I used. to spend a lot of time thinking I was. the only I mean it's that you know part. of being young and and looking around. and thinking that everybody's facade is. what's actually going on. Like it took. me a while to go, oh, just because. somebody shows up in sha just showered. in Lululemon um sweat clothes with a big. cup of coffee. For me, the idea of the. kind of woman I'd never be was always. someone who like brewed her own coffee. and put it in.

>> in a in a thing. >> in a thing in a Yeti cup and got to work. and was like, "Oh, cuz I like to do this. in the morning and I always blow out.". Like I was like, "When did you get a. blowout?". >> Like who did it? Who did it? >> Where did you go? >> Did you go to dry? Yeah. Do you have someone who comes to. your house? >> This is day three of your blowout. These. are. >> Yeah. >> There's these things where we look and. we go, I will never be. >> Everybody has that. Everybody has it. We. all have it. And. >> and then I started to realize that's. just their way of dealing. Like I.

>> I keep a really psychotic to-do list. I. have this very specific to-do list. system that is I won't. >> belabor, but it's taken years for me to. find a system that works. I love my. system. When I finish something, I put. the trophy emoji next to it. >> Oh, for a little treat. >> Yeah, a little my little treat. >> You did a trick. >> Yeah, I did a trick. >> And I get a treat. And my treat is that. trophy emoji. And then at the end of the. day, I'll carry over the things that. didn't happen. And sometimes you have to. put a different emoji that says,

"Actually, I'm not going to do that. anymore. That's off the list." Or. whatever. I do want to talk about your. bed. You create so much in your bed. You. love your bed. >> I love my bed. I love my bed, too. I'm. worried about your sleep. >> Talk to me about your sleep. Are you a. night owl? So, this is going to involve. a little bit of history, which is that. we have a congenital. terror. We have a congenital. it's something where we're where sleep. and death get equated early in. childhood. My father had it. My mother.

had it. Maybe that's why they fell in. love and they passed it down to my. brother and me. And as children, we. started to get scared to go to sleep. around 400 p.m. So still today, >> a lot of people have that that they are. very stressed about the fact that they. ever go to sleep. Yeah, >> it would be I would start around 300. p.m. to start to say, "Okay, what time. do you think we're going to put pajamas. on? What what do you think we're going. to do right before bed?" Then my father. would have to tell me, right? He'd have. to take me and I'd say, "Is it a sock.

night or is it not a sock night?" cuz I. was concerned maybe I'll wake up in the. night with cold feet, but wouldn't it be. horrible if I woke up and they were too. warm? Then my I miss Jenna Sperman's. giggle. It's the greatest. >> The best. >> Then I would say, "Can you tell me a. list of things we're going to do. tomorrow to look forward to?" Because I. thought if I didn't. >> have things to look forward to, I might. just pass away in my sleep. >> Yeah. I would love to sleep train you. >> I would love to have a week in your. house. I'm going to wear a nurse's.

uniform. Do you know what? >> And I'm going to go. It's time. I'm. going to go and and I'm going to And. you're going to start your business. You're going to say, "What kind of. socks?" I'm going to go, "No, no, no. Chop, chop.". >> If I told you what was actually. happening in my bed, the level of. the the various lights that are shining. at me, the animals that are scooching. around, the no I mean, >> twice a night, my rabbits will hurl. themselves up into the air and just land. directly on my face. >> Let's stop at rabbits.

Let let's start at rabbits. Let's ask. the rabbits if they can sleep next to. the bed. >> Well, the rabbit. So, you know, the. thing about rabbits is they're um. >> I don't know the thing. You don't know. the thing is that they are kpuscular, which means that they are most awake at. dawn and at dusk. I might have an. old-fashioned version of sleep. But I do. think that one of the best things I did. for myself is. >> make sleep hygiene as important as other. things. >> Wow. >> And it's was very hard because like you,

I grew up with a total like. >> I wanted to stay up late. I like I would. have a TV in my room. Like staying up. late felt like something I was good at. >> I felt the same way. And I had SNL and I. was I was a vampire and it was like. >> and you know my thing when I was a. teenager was that. >> SNL reruns were on Comedy Central at. midnight. >> And so I would my parents my bedroom was. downstairs. We lived in this weird uh. place in Brooklyn that was above a.

garage, but there was one little. windowless room next to the garage which. was my room and the landlord JP had left. his like single guy. It was like the. most modern TV of 1993, >> right? >> And I would plug in the headphones from. like American Airlines and sit this. close to the television and take notes. on SNL. >> Oh, Lena. >> So sad. >> I mean, comedy is so important. You're. not sad. I mean, that's I mean, that's. like a an athlete like just, you know, shooting hoops in their driveway.

>> I graduated from high school in 2004. So, one thing that I did was at St. hands. We had student IDs and the rule. was that you could not come and get. tickets to SNL unless you were was it 16. or 18? I don't it was I think it might. be 16. >> It was 16. So I was 15 and wanted to go. Yeah. >> So I came up with um scheme which was I. was going to go. >> to get act like I lost my school ID. >> and have them reprint it and go you guys. got my birthday wrong and then have them.

move the year. >> And they did. And then I felt too guilty. and I confessed. >> That's. >> before I could ever go. I was like. started to think about. >> You're like, "This worked too well.". >> Yeah. This was too I could get addicted. to this and pretty soon I'm going to be. scamming men out of their money in. Florida and putting them to sleep with a. little injection. I can't be on this. path. >> I mean, you're speaking about like the. fact that 2001 is 25 years ago is. insane. >> It's insane. There is such an incredible.

resurgence of your work, specifically. girls, but all of your work and how. people interact with your work. Do you. think it is like this? I mean, it's like. people write I don't people attach it to. this bigger idea of nostalgia, but what. do you have a sense now of like what it. is like why people are going back to. that show to you to the feeling that. that time? Do you have a sense of why? Well, you know, it's interesting cuz I. know that a lot I don't equate my early.

20s and I think when people read the. book, they'll understand why. With the. exception of some very specific moments, I don't like equate my early 20s with. like a sense of jubilance and freedom. just because it was really the moment. when sort of adult life and adult. pressure descended. >> So, it's interesting and. >> it's cozy. Like when I want to be cozy, I watch Parks and Recreation or as my. husband calls it, parks and recreations. >> Oh, with an S. >> Yeah. And he and once I said, you know, there's no s on the end. And he went,

you're wrong. But um. >> and I knew that I um I think maybe I. told you this, but I knew that I loved. him because I left my dog with him for. the day while I was on set. And it was a. big thing for me to be like, "Okay, I'm. going to leave her with you, not with. this dog sitter. Let's see what. happens.". >> And I checked texted to check in. and he. said, "We're just watching some Parks. and Recreations. She loves John Ralph.". And I went, "Okay, >> okay, that's a good guy. >> You can stay." I would watch Parks and.

Recreations to relax. But the idea that. And to me, I'm like, "Girls is like a. stress bomb." Like, it's like watching. >> Let's talk about this. I agree. Girls. can be a Girls is a stress bomb. It's. stressful show. I feel like when I'm. watching girls, I'm like watching one of. those movies where somebody has like 10. minutes to disseminate a bomb. Like it's. >> but it really really relaxes people. It. and and I think it reminds them of a. time. It reminds them of time in their. lives and a time in the characters's. lives. >> And a lot of people will say to me, people who are on the old on the more.

40y end will go like I lived in I lived. off the Laurmer stop when I was 23 with. my two best friends from college and you. know now one of them's dead and one of. them's a Republican. you know, like they. are looking back at a moment that felt. really good and alive to them. And I. love that they think that the girls are. cozy and feel like they're their friends. like that. >> Yeah. And also all I ever wanted to make. I always was sad like I'm never going to. be the person who makes cozy TV that. makes anyone want to curl up and but so. if it is that for people I also think.

there's something even though. >> the show does have social media even. though the show you know there's there's. like a conversation in the first episode. and I've never watched girls since we. finished. So I. >> really you've never done a rewatch? >> I've never done a rewatch. I've never. done a rewatch. I just I guess I'm. always thinking and I don't know. Do you. ever watch things old? I rewatched Parks. and Rec with Parks and Recreations. um with my kids. They love it. I re I. would suggest someday you do because.

>> rewatch parks and recreations. I have. >> re-watch girls because um it is just a. really like concrete way to be more. gentle to yourself. Like. >> you just all the stuff that you would. maybe be critical of kind of goes away. I at least it did for me. And you just. remembered the feeling. Like I didn't. even remember what happened. I was like, "What happens here? Does Leslie win?". Like I couldn't even remember the plot, but I could remember the feeling of.

making the scenes like the. >> the It was like a body feeling. And it. made me feel um grateful. It made me. feel really grateful. And I I wonder I. hope I would wish that for you. I don't. know if you will feel that, but maybe. maybe. I think I mean I love those. people and I love that and there were so. many wonderful times you know after. Andrew Reynolds read the book he was. like. >> he was like it was made me sad at some. points cuz I felt like we were having so. much fun. >> and then I read it and it didn't feel. like you were having fun and I was like. no. >> when we were on screen.

>> that was the best thing ever. That was. my like that was my escape from. everything else that was happening in my. mind. I always felt like I could open a. door. >> into being those people. And I remember. feeling like this and it's the only time. I've ever really felt this way because. I'm not like a mystical actor in this. way, but I just. >> I felt like my whatever Lena's problems. are go away and like the the problems of. these particular people which feel sort. of light and inconsequential at the end. of the day. >> took over and so I was like no I always. felt joy when I was with you. I always.

felt joy when I was do linked hands. linked with these people doing this. thing. It was everything that came with. it. >> Yeah. >> That was hard. What do you think people. who. write about girls or wrote about girls. got wrong about it at the time? It was. like there was two ends of the spectrum, which is there people who thought we. weren't in on the joke at all, >> like that we were thought that we were. making like, you know, a pressing film. about like the concerns of America's. neediest population and that we just. were really missing the mark, right? And.

then there were the people who thought. that I was like so in on the joke that I. remember there being conservative. commentators who were like actually this. is a you know this is she's she's curing. >> woke millennials and she's taking them. down and I was like actually something. can live totally between those places. which is we take them totally seriously. and. >> we totally get what's funny about it. People underestimate young women all the. time. >> and it was funny. It was like if if they. people didn't like the show it was my. fault. if they did like the show, it was.

the fault of someone else. It was just. it was and really looking back. >> now if somebody people come to me a lot. and we'll go like someone's saying. something mean about me on the internet. What do I do? And I always go just don't. look at it. >> Yeah. >> Just don't look at it. But. >> I couldn't take that advice then. >> Of course, >> that's why it's when you were asking. like how do you like talking about the. book? How do you not like talking about. the book? And then I. >> circled away from that. I'm going to. circle. >> Yeah. back is sometimes people will ask. me, you know, why do you think people. felt this way about you or why do you. think people why do you think people had.

a strong reaction you? And I go, it's. ultimately like not really my problem. Not only is it not your problem, it's. not your business. How about that? That's the way people think about you is. none of your business. >> It's not your business. The. >> It's not your business. It's truly not. It's just like And that is. >> I'm checking into the hotel under the. name None Your Business. None your. business. >> Also a book written by one of. um when you were when you were writing. the characters for girls um did you.

think it was a show about female. friendship? I thought yes I thought it. was a show about female friendship but I. was like it's a show about like the fact. that female friendship is actually. until you figure out what's is and isn't. your business. It's a thorny torture. escape. And because the thing about. women is I'm obsessed with them. And. part of why I'm obsessed with them is. also cuz I'm scared of them. Cuz they're. too smart. >> I see. Do you know what I mean? >> You might not feel that way. >> I don't. I don't. But I understand what. you mean because it is.

I think it's very honest to bring up the. fact that. >> complicated people interesting. complicated people. >> uh often provide complicated interesting. like relationships and there were times. when I would watch girls and I'd be like. >> are they friends? The answer was often no. Yeah. I mean, they were holding on to an idea. Part of. the reason they were friends is because.

sometimes when people are young, they. hold on to certain friends, not just. because of the good feelings they give. them, but because they get to feel. superior or they get to feel. >> um they get to feel like in contrast. they're winning or they get to feel like. they're shinier because they're next to. the pretty person, whatever it is. And. you're still like you're not when you're. in your 20s, you're not even that far. out of high school. You don't even. haven't even yet let go of all that. stuff. And now. >> this isn't I have amazing my female. friends are incredible. I'm not afraid.

of them. But I also. >> in my there's something about the ways. that women can see each other and know. each other that can feel very exposing. And the thing that's really nice is now. I feel that the majority of my female. relationships have re there was just a. day where I woke up and went I haven't. had to exchange a really heavy email in. a while. Like I haven't had to I. remember once having a fight with a um. girlfriend in in our 20s and we were.

like going back and forth in these long. pointto-oint. Now I will not if someone. raises points with me I will not be. addressing the points. like I'm not. going I'm not. >> you're not bolding the points and then. here are my responses to the point. >> I'm not a lawyer. I'm not going to make. notes on your doc you sign and send it. back to you. That's not what's. happening. But. >> we were doing that and I remember. showing it to like a boyfriend outraged. and he was like I don't even know what. I'm read. It's like you guys are in like. a scholastic writing competition and. you're each trying to write the best.

essay about why the other one. >> is bad at being a friend if you feel. this way. And then and then moments. later, everyone's apologizing going, "I. didn't mean any of that." And it's like, "Well, that was a lot of energy to. expend on this creative writing. exercise.". >> The kids say like the kids say, "Say. less. >> Say less. >> Say less." That's less. >> Someone told me recently that if. somebody writes you I mean, have you. ever seen that meme where someone's like. um uh congrats or sorry that happened to.

you? I don't know. I'm not trying to. read all that. Somebody write someone. really long. >> Yes. I don't know. I'm not trying to. read all that. >> Yeah. I'm not trying to read all that. >> Aubrey Plaza on the set of parks used to. take my phone when I was texting someone. and she would erase it and then just. write no. >> and I'd be like, "Oh, I guess I could. say that too. I could just say no.". There's a big thing which is my brother. taught me. He's like, "Do not ever reply. with more lines than the person wrote. you.

It's funny your parents, you know, you. talk about it in your book, you have. really successful art um artist parents. who are in that art world, which is talk. about it like. >> in the rooms that are small. >> I mean, >> there's like high fashion, there's like. hyper inellectualism, there's and there's the art world that. they both live in. It can only get. smaller if you're like, well, the. contact improv dance community that came.

out of Oberlin College where Jenna and I. went is pretty neat. >> Improv contact dance, babe. THAT IS WIDE. OPEN. ANYBODY CAN GET IN THERE. >> IMPROV. You just got to keep one point. of contact between your bodies for the. whole time. >> Oh my god. It's such a perve fest. Like. anything that's like we have to touch. each other. You're like, why? >> I remember I went to one of the classes. when I was at Oberlin cuz I used to do. like a column for the Oberlin grape. Shout out to all you to all you grapew. writers out there. And um it was like. I'd go and try things on campus, see.

what I thought of them. Oo, I'm going to. do capaware today. And I went and did. contact improv. And basically my thesis. was like perverts. Like that was I left. cuz I remember they were like okay now. everybody remove one article of clothing. of your choice and everyone was like. pants, you know, it was right away. I. mean that is the thing about the 2000s. is you look back and you're pretty much. like you could just take a stamp to. pretty much everything and be like. perverts. Yeah. Um, but before we get. off girls, when now we're getting into. the weeds, but now when Jessa betrayed.

Hannah. >> Yeah, that was hard. That was hard for a. lot of people. That was hard for Jamaima. didn't want to do it. >> I bet. >> Jamaima was like, "Don't make me do. this.". >> I bet it's a real villain move. But what. it allowed us, I think, in in in the. writing was it allowed us to really see. Hannah. >> in a way that we hadn't yet. >> Yeah. And also it was just like the end. of a cycle of story. I also think that. part of the reason that the way she. justified that to herself in the moment.

>> is that she was like, "Well, Hannah. hasn't maybe always been the most. considerate friend to me." And she might. have had Hannah might have this idea. Here's what friends don't do. They don't. sleep with your boyfriend, your. ex-boyfriend, and they don't. >> I don't know, you know, they don't sleep. with your ex-boyfriend. they'll push you. in front of a car and everything else is. fair game. And she's like, "No, you've. cut away at our friendship with all of. these other little moves." And the other. thing is because Hannah doesn't. >> see herself as a person with any power, she doesn't realize that she's capable. of hurting anybody else's feelings.

She's the world is happening to her. And. I hope that as she grows, she realizes. that actually she is often happening to. the world. And I I just want to say. kudos to you for that moment. Not only. because it was audacious writing and. just good moving the story forward, but. we were paying attention to Jessa and. Hannah. Like that's who we were caring. about. >> It's really nice. And it's, you know, Jamaim and I have been friends since we. were 11. So it was. >> it was always really interesting when we.

got to really dig into the story. together cuz often we were just, you. know, >> Yeah. in the in the same room at the. same party raising our eyebrows at the. same thing. And when we got to do those. big chunky emotional scenes together, it. was amazing. But I do remember her. >> when I was directing the scene where she. and Adam kissed for the first time, >> she was really I could see her panic cuz. it went against every instinct she had. about behavior. And I had to say, "I'm. not he's not really my boyfriend and I'm.

not really going to get mad at you.". >> Right? >> He's actually just. >> acting. >> acting. And so are we. And At the end of. the day, yeah, >> neither of us kissed each other's. ex-boyfriend, so we're going to be fine. >> Yeah. >> And probably even if one of us did kiss. each other's ex-boyfriend, we'd be fine. >> And you were like, "Put on this. Patagonia lightweight.". >> Patagonia. >> Put on this Patagonia light. >> Call this man to paint your walls and. we're going to be fine. Fine. >> Um, okay. Uh, I want to get your hot. takes on a few things. These are. completely random things, but I feel.

like you have strong hot takes that I. would love to hear about. Great. >> And there's no right or wrong. Okay, Tik. Tok. >> I spent You're amazing on Tik Tok and. thank you. Welcome to Tik Tok. I've seen. your Tik Toks. My algorithm knows who I. am obviously and a lot of them are from. your bed. But what I like about Tik Tok, I mean, I'm sure like everything, the. culture is changing, but what I like. about it is it seems like it's allowed a. lot of people to find likeminded folks. and to find people who are I always see.

like a woman alone in a farmhouse. feeding grizzly bears from a pan who's. found her friends and that I like. >> Found your friends and also I think. there's just good comedy there. >> There's I think there's good comedy. >> There's good comedy. there's good. educational content and you know I don't. want to be watching someone like sell me. a freckle stick but I do I mean my. TikTok algorithm when I still had it was. >> women with pigs. and I like um when there's a where in. Australia where um sex work is legal. I.

love to watch women count their money. and talk about their experiences. >> and and the their money counters. I love. that. I love the ASMR nails. Also, I. like the women who work at um like. exotic dancing clubs and are at the. front and they're and you don't see the. patrons, but you see them deciding who's. going to come in. >> Yes. I love that too. I love. >> women at work when I love women at work. in all way. I love And sometimes what's. hard is you'll watch someone over time. and they start really authentic and then.

>> you see like a little taste of I mean. this is what I was saying in the book, a. little taste of fame makes us all sick. It's not. >> It's very true. Shorter question. Diet. Coke. Yes or no? >> Do you know that the kids have been. calling it fridge sigs? >> Yeah, love it. >> I love diet coke. I don't think it's an. everyday thing. >> Agree. >> My mother, it's a treat. >> If you do a trick, >> you do a trick, you get a diet coke. >> When I My mother, every time she gets a. mammogram, and since she was 40, she. >> every time she gets a mamogram, she gets.

a New York City hot dog and a diet coke. A dirty water hot dog and a diet coke. So, it's her. >> She has the full carcinogens package. after a successful mamogram. >> Meg Stalter. Oh, Mary. >> Oh, I'm so excited. We love Meg. I'm so. excit I mean it will be that I mean that. show that woman. She's such a funny. special person. >> She's a She is hilarious. I've had the. pleasure of working with her a few. times. Also, I'm loving how she's. interacting, talking about like fame and.

the found something really interesting. Um, least favorite current fashion. trend. >> I've always said that my style is um. like ratty 5-year-old with a credit. card. >> Oh, that makes a lot of sense. >> You feel that, right? Like it's like a. girl who's like my dad gave me this and. he said I can get whatever I want and. then you. >> you just can because so many of the. things that also because my parents have. good taste when I was a kid a lot was. like you don't want that. That's not you. don't want that.

>> sparkly leopard velour tunic and. matching leg warmers. Yes, I do. And now. I'm an adult who makes my own money and. I can have it. >> I get that vibe from you. It's you're. very high low in that way. Like I love. that you like you know a ton about. really um like uh esteemed artists and. writers and then also you like you don't. feel like a snob about it. It's hard. because you know New York. >> kids can sometimes like have access to. stuff and then.

>> you know people feel like they're not. allowed to get in the room and you do. not give off that vibe. >> Glad I like I mean I love I love reality. television. Yeah. Do you still love. reality television? >> I don't, but I I. >> Did you used to? >> No, I wasn't a housewives fan because it. it [ __ ] with my nervous system a little. bit like the way people are arguing and. misunderstanding each other. I do enjoy. a uh a below deck uh I enjoy a um. jobsbased. >> You like jobs based programming? And I.

will say one nice thing about England is. there's a lot of shows that you can. watch that are unscripted but relaxing. M. >> there's a lot of like would you like to. watch this um this very uh well. decorated female historian take you on a. tour of the oldest castle in Wales Mary. Beard We live for you. >> and or would we like to you know I mean. great British Bakeoff's an example. >> but that's not reality. >> in my opinion. >> well I. >> I mean I guess it's real. >> I got asked to go on the Great British.

Bake Off. They do like a charity. celebrity bake off. >> and I went I don't cook. I do I don't I. don't cook. I don't clean. Let me tell. you how I got that ring. I don't have. anything to do with it. But I thought. okay like this is a surely they can't. expect that much of us. They're not. calling in they're not calling in you. know chefs. They're calling in actors. and writers. They and they put me on the. phone with a producer and said like the. first challenge is going to be a crumpet. challenge. you are supposed to make a.

crumpet that expresses who you are. >> Okay. >> So, I was like, well, I have British. shorthair cats. They're gray. I could do. a crumpet that had like um some gray. coloring and then do ears on it and then. eyes and it could be like my cats as a. crumpet. And they went, "Okay, great. So, maybe almond butter could be the. eyes and you could do some sort of like. a raspberry jam for the mouth." Um Paul. obviously does not is not comfortable. with any store-bought jams or butters. So, but we have a really simple. pistachio butter recipe that we could.

send you. And I actually have a great. short book on making jam. >> Wait, what? >> And I was like, >> making jam? >> Making jam. And then I said, you know, I've never cooked a crumpet. Is there. some like basics? Do I have to go back. to some basics? And they said, well, there's a great book called The Science. of Baking, which we can send you, which. kind of And then I started to describe. it to Michael, my business partner. He's. like, "Have you lost your ever loving. mind? like, "Are you about to put in?". And then I was going to go over to my. friend Rose's sister's house because she. bakes. And she was like, "I actually do. have a familiar crumpet recipe that if.

you try at 9 10 times." And then they. said to me, "Um, ovens go on at 8:00. a.m. and off at 6:00 p.m." And I made. some joke and I was like, "Well, at. least you guys will help me turn those. on." They was like, "Oh, no. We're not. allowed to touch any of the knobs." And. I just went, >> "We're we're out of here. >> We're out of here." I'm sorry, guys. >> Love that for you. >> I love that no for you. That's a great. no. And I cuz I love to try to become an. expert at something really quickly, but. this was be beyond this was way beyond. anything that I could handle. Plus the.

tension of Paul not being happy. >> Paul's. not comfortable with any um storebought. jams. >> Yeah, those husky eyes shooting lasers. at you because of the jam. Okay. The new. Moon album. Do you love it? >> Oh, of course. I love everything that. Luna touches. >> Theme parks. Do you love them? I do not. think that I have been to a theme park. in adulthood and I and it may be one of. the only things I'm comfortable saying I. won't do again before I die. You. >> I'm I I agree. I I I I respectfully.

decline. Um would you ever have a robot. in your house? >> I think that my I think that I. wouldffect. onto and anthropomorphize the robot too. much. >> Sorry, what was the word you used? >> Whoa. Tell me if I used it correctly. >> Incredible. New word alert. >> Cact. Tell me what you're seeing. >> I'm not even going to def I'm just going. to say. >> it's a verb that means to invest mental. or emotional energy into a person,

object or idea. So like um. anthropomorphize kind of. >> I would anthropomorphize the robot. They. often therapists will sometimes say like. if you are projecting on they'll say. like we've had an we've had an episode. of cexis. Would you have a robot in your. house? I would, but I feel like I'd be. able to control it until it until it. killed me. Okay. And then um you we have. talked about um my producer Jenna who. you have known for 20 years. >> Yes, I have. >> I have a question. What was Jenna like. when she was 23?

>> Jenna was cool like Jenna still is. Jenna was like a cool hot hipster who. knew all who lived in Brooklyn and knew. all the in like the one of one of the I. was still in college and went to go hang. out at Jenna's apartment. >> It was on the second floor on Atlantic. Avenue kind of correct right? It was on. the second floor in Atlantic Avenue and. she had like. >> like a rustic boat wheel that they had. upcycled and used as like a piece of.

wall ornamentation. >> and Jenna wore like one of those little. um you know bike messenger hats. >> Sure. >> And I will always remember I'm going to. embarrass Jenna right now. >> I Jenna had a girlfriend. I don't want. to upset anyone, but Jenna had a. girlfriend and. >> Jenna can always cut this. >> Jenna always can cut this if she wants. She's the boss. >> And I love that. Like I used to get to. sleep in a room like we had like. multiple twin beds. For some reason. there was like a room with three twin. beds and only two girls.

>> at Oberlin. >> At Oberlin we had a room somehow we'd. gotten lucky and so I pushed two of them. together to make a queen and then. somehow ended up like in my queen with. Jenna having to share the single with. somebody else. And. >> interesting. >> and I was sort of like you guys. >> Sarah the single. >> Sarah the single girlfriend and I. remember going saying some using some. insane logic like listen you guys should. feel really lucky you have each other. and what I have is this queen that I. made out of two shitty old mattresses.

>> Hold on. So just to go over it. Yeah. >> When you and Jenna were in college, Jenna was sharing a single with her. girlfriend who was my roomate and you. had a queen. >> Yeah. That I made out of two mattresses. >> Feeling still victimized by that. Correct. Yeah. I was like, "Guys, you. know, it's like kind of hard to just be. sitting here as a single person having. to look at all this love. I've been. through a lot." And so, and also, you. might remember that I had to go home. from college last year because I have. chronic mono. So, so just think about.

other people. >> Yeah. I shouldn't have done that, Jenna. And I'm sorry. Looking back, it's. deranged behavior, but we only have to. make things make sense to us, really. >> That's right. Okay. And then um let's. talk about Good Sex because so we have. this thing uh Good Sex is a new movie. coming out on Netflix. It's a romcom. that you wrote and directed. >> Yep. >> Natalie Portman spoke to us today. We. got a question from Natalie. Natty and. who spoke so beautifully about you as a.

person and as a director said something. that I just like I will really think. about um and take with me which is that. she felt very seen by you when she was. um being directed by you. Of course, you. felt like you set a tone for not only. like everyone on the set, but you were. paying very close attention to what. people were doing and also just like. gave specific feedback when you liked. something, which I know sounds like duh, but it's not always the case.

>> because we are so we have such a bias to. talk about what needs to be fixed and we. kind of forget to say like, oh, that was. good. I like that. Good job. >> Well, it's funny. Firstly, I'm so t. Natalie Portman is I mean she was such a. big deal to me when I was a youth. She. was just. >> the cool girl's cool girl, the the. thinky woman's onenu the everything and. and meeting her was one of the rare. moments where I really kind of got. >> tongue tied and goofy and then she makes.

you feel really cozy. But getting to. work with her and getting to know her. and getting to know her magic and her. friendship with Rashida, which has. existed for like almost 30 years, it's. >> she's just she's everything you'd think. she would be. But I feel like it's you. know how we were saying like women are. so so good at things that they're then. punished for it. >> Like they people go, "Well, you did that. well. I guess you'll just keep doing. that well and we'll lay more on you.". Natalie is such a good actress and she's. such a good actress even in moments. where she doesn't have to be. She exudes.

it. Like you have a shot that's like her. on a telephoto lens crossing the street. in traffic and she does something. interesting with her face. So I was like. I think that almost people don't want to. say you're the most amazing actress I've. ever seen because they feel like it. makes them look like go or dorky or they. should just be accepting this is. reality. But every single day I went. that's insane what you're doing right. now. And watching her be goofy is so fun. cuz she is a big goof. >> She's a goof. Well, she had a great. goofy question for you. >> I'm so excited. She said, and it's funny.

because we talked about this. We started. talking about this. She said, "What is. the best pig to adopt?". She said, "You have pet pigs." We talked. about pigs. She wants to know what kind. of pig we got into. She's in Paris. I. apparently there's a wild boar situation. in Paris. I don't want to get into I. don't want to get political, >> but we and she knows that she's not. ready to be a pig parent yet where she. is. She's a rabbit parent, but she's not.

ready to be a pig parent. And she's a. really good dog mom, too. But but what's. the best kind of pig? >> Yes. To adopt. >> Well, in your opinion. >> Okay. So, obviously there's So, here's. something for anyone at home to know if. you're thinking about adopting a pig. >> Very good. >> There. If someone tells you that you are. getting a teacup pig, you are not. If. someone tells you you're getting a mini. pig, you're not. A mini pig is any pig. that's under 500 lb is what is classed. as a mini pig. >> Very important to know. Unlike a farm s. which can go up to like 1,400 lb. And.

also pigs, unlike dogs, like you don't. have a sense from their piglet size of. how big they're going to be cuz they. keep growing until they're five. >> Wow. >> And they also another fact about pigs, not two sets of teeth, three sets of. teeth. They lose their teeth twice. >> Um and I've been saving all those pig. teeth for a rainy day for a nightmare, some kind of nightmare scenario. >> That's exactly right. Two of the pigs. that are in my life are Mishon pigs. Maan pigs are they're now actually. classed as critically endangered, but.

they are a they are a Chinese species. that dates back at least 5,000 years. They look like they're famous for a few. things. They're amazing mothers. >> They have huge litters up to like 17 or. 18 at a time and they mother them. expertly. Oh dear. >> They look like little elephants. >> Wow. and they don't root a lot and they. don't they don't they forage not root. and they're just chillers. And so if you. have space, you might think, let me go.

with the smallest pig that will be. easiest. But actually, a mason is a. great cozy. I think really good beginner. pigg 17 or 18 piglets. >> The other thing is that I've learned is. a solo pig's not nice. I. >> know solo solo animals in general. So, animals in general, but a dog seems like. they can get a lot of what they need. from like you're my buddy, you're my. buddy, I'm going to go out in the street. and see my buddies. But pigs can't just. >> because they're very territorial, they.

can't just like casually have playdates. with another pig. They either need to be. in a life together. And when I got my. first pig, Victor, who I thought would. be a solo pig, >> he was talking all day long and I just. thought, >> I'm trying, buddy, but I don't know what. you're saying. And so that's why we got. Cherry. >> Cherry and Victor. >> Yeah. And it was an arranged marriage. Simon play. >> It was an arranged marriage. We didn't. know how it would go. >> And what I loved is that the first day. that we let them, he went over and kind. of started to like get a little aggro.

with her. And she bit him on the butt as. hard as she could. And from that day on, he was like, "It's your it's your scene, lady." Like he's. >> It's like a romcom. Yeah. >> It was a pig romcom. >> And now she still spends a lot of time. sitting on his head. >> And she took off her little pig glasses. and he was like, "You're beautiful. Lena Dunham, >> Amy Puller. >> So lovely to talk to you. I'm so happy. you could come. Thank you. Congratulations on your movie. Congratulations on your book. >> And um um you know, I we've known each.

other for a very long time. It's really. really nice to see you again. >> It's really nice to see you, too. You. are a really I mean it's a well-n named. I said to someone when that I was going. on the podcast, I was like, and it's not. a lie. She's a good hang. >> Thanks, dude. Right back at you. Happy. 40th, babe. >> Come on over to the other side. It's so. great over here. >> Thank you so much, Lena Dunham. Just so. smart and interesting. Such a great. discussion with you. And um thank you so.

much for being here. And you know, Lena. is a New York City kid and we're gearing. up for a New York City summer. And for. all you people headed to Broadway, I. want to use this polar plunge to remind. you that three champions, three comedic. giants are on Broadway right now as we. speak. And that is Anna Gastire and. Schmegadun. That is Maya Rudolph and Om. Mary. And that is Rachel DR and the. Rocky Horror Picture Show. So get your. tickets babe because this kind of event.

only happens every hundred years when. all of these beautiful women are on. stage at the same time. And aren't we. lucky to be alive when that's happening? So, um, congratulations ladies and, um, congratulations to you if you get a. chance to see them. And thank you for. listening and see you soon. Bye. You've been listening to Good Hang. The. executive producers for this show are. Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss Berman, and. me, Amy Per. The show is produced by The. Ringer and Paperkite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Cat Spalain,

Kaia McMullen, and Alia Xanerys. for. Paperkite production by Sam Green, Joel. Levelvel, and Jenna Weiss Berman. Original music by Amy Miles. >> Was a really good Hey.