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Hello everyone. Welcome to another. episode of Good Hang. Very, very excited. about our guest today. It is the great. Kiki Palmer. Kiki can do anything and is. in everything. She's currently in the. movie I Love Boosters and in the TV show. The BBS. She has her podcast Baby This. is Kiki Palmer and she is she's going to. be in Space Balls. She hosts Password. She's incredible. We talk about so many fun things today.

We talk about being viros and the no. bless oblige that comes along with that. We talk about Mary J Blige and what it's. like to get into your anger. We talk. about uh her season of restraint and. what that looks like. We we have such a. good time and she she has to go to the. bathroom in the middle of it which has. never happened before and just goes to. show how comfortable she was. That makes. me so happy. Um, but before we get into. it, we always talk to somebody who knows. our guest, who loves our guest, wants to. speak well behind their back and ask.

them a question. And we have a friend of. the pod, a writer, actress, queen, Paula. Pel, who is zooming in, who loves Kiki. and wants to tell us all about it. And. I'm hoping right now is is um is zooming. in from her, you know, her new Only Fans. account. One can only hope. So Paula, are you Paula? Paula, can you hear me, darling? >> You know those tiny back to school. emergencies that somehow become your.

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details. Get up. What do you say? All I ever wanted was a really good. Hi. >> Hi. >> What if we just do that for 10 minutes? Hi. [screaming]. >> Oh, why? Oh, did I? [ __ ]. >> No, you're on. >> I am. Why? Oh, boy. Why is Why am I off now?

>> [laughter]. >> I can see you. You can't see me. >> All they ask for All they do Oh, here it. is. All they do is ask me for another AI. thing. Do you want. >> I know. I I had such a I know we've. talked about this. I had I have such. PTSD about trying to sign my kids in. during COVID to like various portals. that I had a portal meltdown the other. day. I know we all talk about it that it. >> Oh my god. There's got to be a word. that's going to be made for like. technological misery.

>> It's every single time I agree to do a. Zoom and then I'll get an email like 10. seconds before and it says this is going. to be on Coler and I'm like I'm sorry. Col? I mean one of the real ones is Blue. Jeans. Nothing against blue jeans but. like I was like blue jeans I'm sorry. blue jeans. They're like all you need to. do is download this app and go to a. portal. >> Now, we're going to be on Worther's. original. So, if you want, [laughter].

but you are going to have to do uh a. breathalyzer under your computer. You do. have OS 78, right? And I'm like, >> yeah, it's like it's like, yeah, Old. Navy, I'm cool with you remembering my. password. >> I'm like, [ __ ] I got a I got a Apple. clamshell. [laughter]. I got a teal apple clamshell. Would you. like a new password? This one feels like. you use it a lot. It's like, yeah, because it's the only way I can. remember. Do you think I could remember. it if I don't use it for every device?

>> I want a plug and an outlet. [laughter]. >> I want to plug it in. >> I tried to buy an oldfashioned alarm. clock. I couldn't find one. Couldn't. find a freaking alarm clock. >> I tried to take my blood pressure in a. new blood pressure cuff I bought 63. And. um I was feeling a little off because I. had a couple drinks. got real dizzy and. I was like, "Something's wrong." I drank. two drinks in the hot in the hot sun. really quick. I feel weird. Um, but I.

got it out and it was so complicated and. so many apps and profiles to fill out. You we have to know this information. about you before we do this and before. you do. And I'm just like I'll be dead. by then. >> I know. I I By the way, you're making me. want to get a blood pressure cuff. I'm. definitely getting that. >> It's It's supposed to do all these. things. And of course, when I'm on the. internet, I I fall for every The. funniest one lately is that during the.

snow this winter, I saw one that had. this little fan that blows the snow off. your windshield like violently. And. every single video was like immediate, like snow is immediately like like an. eraser off your windshield. And I got. them and they were like this big and. they BLEW LIKE THIS. >> [laughter]. >> AND I GOT like four of them and was. going to gift them to people and we were. laughing so hard because it was like. this is the biggest [ __ ] ripoff.

>> Oh my god. The weakest fan. >> The weakest fan is a good uh reality. [laughter]. >> The. weakest fan now on Fox and they're just. really [laughter]. >> weak. Um Paula Pel is here. Paula, it's so. good to see you. It's so good to see. you. >> We're talking about Kiki today. We have. got Kiki Palmer in and I was saying this. and I know you would agree. >> Love her. >> She's so good at so many things.

>> Her hyphenets have hyphenets. >> I know. I like we're looking at her body. of work. It's like Broadway and you know. and and singing and writing and. podcasting and acting and also just um. her being herself like all the hosting. that she does all the way that she is. someone else and herself. She's I was. trying to figure, you know, and I I was. like she's like an old school. entertainer. >> She really is. I wanted to talk to you.

today because you guys work together on. the BBS and I know, you know, I know you. are this way and I imagine maybe we'll. find out Kiki is this way too, but you. know, there's no better gift than. getting to do what we want with people. who are professional and nice. It's like. all you're hoping for. And I remember. you saying right away that like working. with her was so pleasant. What was it. like to work together on the Burps? H it. it it it was and is I mean the whole.

we're getting ready in October to to. shoot the second season of it. But um it. it it remains like such an incredible. joy that there is no there's no dark. side to it like because she is um she's. so non-stop in terms of what she's. creating and what she's doing in the. world that like you watch her and you're. just like, you know, and she's raising a.

little darling boy and it's like she is. so non-stop but yet so present in each. thing even when she's multitasking and. getting her her hair and makeup done in. the trailer and she's also on a podcast. and she's also talking about her music. video from her album that's coming out. and it's like sometimes when people are. like that you watch them and I think. it's my age too where I'm just like how. do how do they do all that and just if. you sit and talk to her about anything. genuine she's right there she's wants to.

talk about it she wants to hear what you. have to say about it. She'll hold your. hand. She'll, you know, we've gotten. tearful together in the makeup trailer. talking about our lives and find, you. know, and and and what we won't tolerate. anymore and love and and, you know, just. there's so many good things that I've. derived from just being in her presence. truly. I was getting my uh hair blown. out at at a dry bar and I sat down. >> By the way, congrats on your hair. I.

just want to point out again, most. beautiful hair in the biz next to Tina. I'd love to see you guys fight it out. Okay, sorry. >> Half of it is blonde right now and half. of it this is this is God's colorist. right here. [laughter]. But um who is this gorgeous woman, God's. colorist, she's kind of almost. transparent and she's just very weird. [laughter] Um, I'm in DRY BAR WHILE. WE'RE doing while we're doing the BBS. and I sit down and Achila and the bee is. on and I look up and I see baby Kiki. with like braces and glasses and just.

like having this incredible. touching scene with an adult Oscarinning. actor just like the two of them having. this quiet scene together and I'm just. like she she was born fully cooked. She. was just she was born Kiki Palmer that I. know. >> So excited to talk to her because she is. exactly what you just said. She it feels. like she's just very good at talking and.

being in the moment and connecting. She's like she's a real connector. >> Yeah. And she's positive in a way that's. not bullshitty. Like she she's positive. in the way that you say, "Oh, cheerfulness is a choice." And it's a a. constructive choice. It's it's a choice. that actually changes your trajectory of. your day if you look at it and say. grateful, cheerful, joyful. Um and and. that gratitude thing, she just lives. through that all the time of like, I. can't believe we're going to get to we.

get to do that, you know, and then and. you want that because there's nothing. worse than working with people in. showbiz with dead eyes that don't. realize how incredibly lucky they are to. be doing they're doing at the moment. and you just want to slap him hard. across the face [laughter]. or you hope that in the script you get. to so you can privately have. satisfaction. >> Do you have a question for Kiki? You're. very good at questions. >> What does it look like for Kiki Palmer. to rest? Like not exhaustion, not I.

can't even see. I'm so exhausted. I have. to lay down. But like her restorative. rest, like for her to describe her. favorite restorative rest, >> that is a great question. I cannot wait. to ask her. I know she'll be thrilled. that we talked and I because I know she. loves you right back. Thanks, Pete. Love. you. >> Give Give Kiki a big kiss for me. >> I will. >> This episode is brought to you by All. State. Checking All State first could. save you hundreds on car insurance. Not. checking whether your camera is off.

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I mean, you've you've you've named an. album. I mean, >> Virgo tendencies, you know, most of. them. >> We have the Virgo tendencies. >> What are Virgo tendencies? Let's go. through them. >> We're we can we can kind of be. know-it-alls. It's fine. It's fine. It's. fine. We just see things just so right. away. And we want you to know, but we. got to hold [snorts] it in. Um, we are. great organizers in our own way. It. doesn't always talk to me about how you. like to organize. I know you love to or. I saw your beautiful house. >> Oh my gosh. I said, "Tell me what your.

new favorite way to organize is." Like, like, is there a system? >> Labeling everything. >> Okay, talk to me. >> I'm big on that labeling. Like, everything has a particular place and. spot. Contacts, skin masks, one's for. hydration, ones for exfoliation. >> We're talking the bathroom. >> Yeah, we're in the bathroom. Everything. is organiz even by my bedside. Supplements at the top, all my like eye. masks, like getting ready to wind down. Then underneath is the journal. I even. have written out my cycle things, you.

know, and what I need for them, what. type of foods I should be eating at that. time. >> I always get shocked when people tell me. that they don't write out or like think. about what they have to do the next day. or what like I can't I can't I don't. understand how people organize their. days. >> without a list. >> I don't either. [laughter] And it's so. weird to imagine that that's so specific. to a personality type. to me seems like. the only human way to function, but. >> I guess uh we're one of one or a group. of one. >> Well, I uh there are some very important.

Virgos in the world. You are one of. them. Beyonce is one of them. Um. >> can we talk about Kobe Bryant? Can we. talk Kobe Bryant? Mother Teresa. We even. have him in the spiritual realm. >> I always need people to know that. because it's more than entertainment. We. even have a strong prayed up Virgo, [laughter]. >> you know. And look, I'm not going to go. there, but I heard that we celebrated on. Christmas, but I heard that Jesus maybe. was born in September. That's what I heard. That's what I. heard. That's what I heard.

[laughter]. >> Capricorns like to claim them, >> but we really have them. We know the. real we know that Jesus kept his eye. masks very separate from his from his. disciples and not organized [laughter]. them. You can't have a crew like that. You can't be, you know what I mean? You. can have that set up. >> 100%. He was running a lot of things. >> He was running a lot. I'm just saying. >> He was like, "You go over here. You go. over here. I'll turn THIS TO THIS.". >> ORCHESTRATING. [laughter] I'LL TURN THIS. to this. >> Okay. I'll take care of it. I'll take. care of it. It's You know what? Uh the.

other thing I just I'm constantly always. looking for systems. I know you like. this too. I love a good [laughter]. >> girl. >> I love a good system. I'm like pattern. recognition. >> I'm like, "Tell me how you do it." I. just found something on Tik Tok that I'm. obsessed with, which is it's the steel. container that you keep next to your. stove when you're cooking, you know, that you put like your utensils in. There's a whole thing about like what. are the six utensils that you need next. to your stove that like you use every. day. And when I tell you that I have.

spent hours [laughter]. shopping for what is the best and only. spatula like what are the six cooking. tools I want. >> support that's self support. >> that is that to me is a day well spent. >> I love that kind of thing because. honestly it's really about optimization. I think we're actually fighting for. ease. Even though it seems like we're. making our life more difficult by by. doing these things, these things are. actually on the path of ease because. when it's already set up, you don't have.

to think about it. You don't. >> Well, that's actually the theme of what. I want to talk to you about today is. this idea of exactly that like. maximizing, optimizing [laughter]. for most Burger Burger sessions. >> and rest and ease. >> Yeah, those two things cuz they they are. a. >> you need them both. >> double-sided. They're a black and white. cookie. You got to have both. And I got. to tell you, Kiki, I texted you on the. way over here. Um, whatever. I have your. phone number. No big deal. [laughter].

>> And um, you look crazy. >> And I cuz I had such a peaceful feeling. I had such a peaceful feeling coming to. talk to [clears throat] you. I was like, I know that whatever we talk about is. going to be funny and real. And you're. so easy to be around and I talk to. Thank you for that. I know it's not easy. to be an easy person to be around. sometimes, if that makes any sense. But. what I what I know about you always is. that you bring. >> a very open and curious version of. yourself all the time. And you're so.

talented and funny. Like Kiki, you are. so [ __ ] funny. You are like an. oldfashioned. one-of-a-kind entertainer who can do it. all. You're like Martin Short. You're. like Eddie Murphy. You're like uh like. uh. >> come on vaudeville. I live for the. oldfashioned because that's how I I grew. up. Like Lucille Ball. >> Yes, there it is. That's it. >> Obsessed. >> You are like Lucille Ball. >> I love that vibe. >> You can do it all. You are a Swiss Army. knife. There's nothing YOU CAN'T DO. KIKI, >> GIRL,

>> BUT I THINK YOU DO too many things. Okay, >> right. I do. This is also true. Black. and white cookie. Black and [laughter]. white cookie. >> You are a mogul. You're a visionary. [clears throat]. You're a mogul. >> By the way, I was with Rashidita the. other night and she told me that she's. at your house. She's staying with you. >> Yeah, she told me that and she was like, Amy told me you guys are going to be. talking soon. I said, no, I can't wait. to see my girl. It was so good to see. her. My wife is staying with me for a. while. >> It's so nice. Okay, we're going to talk. about the future. We're going to talk. about the past. We're going to talk. But. I want to know right now, like today, what was your morning like? What do you.

do in the morning? What's your system in. the morning? >> This was a great day and morning. So, last night I got to bed at a pretty good. time. >> Let's talk about sleep. >> Um, so I was happy about that. >> How much sleep do you like to get? I. mean, if I can get to sleep at 10:30, I'm really happy. Oh, that's really, really happy. Totally. Last night, I got. to bed at 11 PM. That's still a pretty. good one for me, you know. So, I went to. sleep. I had my alarm clock set at 7:15. and then 7:30 because, you know, >> alarm clock are we talking. >> I used to be. then I said, "Girl, that's too much. You.

[laughter] need to be nicer to. yourself." So, now I was like, "So, that's a little nicer." You know. what I mean? And I have it on loud. because I was planning to go to Pilates, which I made. I'm so happy. I went to my. one of my favorite studios. Actually, that's a lie. It is my favorite studio, Forma. I love it so much. So, I went at. 8:00 a.m. Felt so good about MY LIFE AND. MYSELF CUZ, YOU KNOW, I feel good when I. get a little bit of a workout in. And. Pilates is perfect because it's not too. intense. Like, I'm not like trying to. lose my life. >> I want to talk. You're becoming a. Pilates instructor.

>> YES, GIRL. KIKI, >> WHAT? I FELT LIKE that one clip. [laughter]. where somebody's impersonating over her. and they're like. >> I think I did a sketch about that where. my head blew off. [laughter]. >> Where my head blew off. Kiki, you are a. P body instructor. >> Girl, because I fell so in love with it. and it became such a big part of my life. that I'm like, I need I I want to be a. part of giving other people this feeling. because it's really really helped me. It's helped me. >> Me, too. I do Pilates and it is one of. those things that makes me feel.

connected to my actual body cuz I can. feel a little disembodied. >> Girl, me too. >> I mean, I think we have a lot of. similarities, but I'll try not to harp. on the entire interview, but I do think. we do. And one of them is like I need to. like I like like do you like to be. smushed? >> Oh my gosh. Like smushed together with a. body. >> or like just like a like a heavy thing. on you like Okay. >> Yes. [laughter] I could use more. >> Okay. Do you like stem a little bit? Like do you put your feet under Do you. put your feet under cushions?

>> Yes, I put my feet under cushions. I. like to be smooshed up against things in. that regard. I bite my jaw a lot. >> Yeah. Just to feel a little. >> Oh my gosh. It's so. >> Sometimes because when you're when. you're living up here, sometimes you. have to be reminded I have a body. >> Yes. It's so true. >> It's true. And Pilates really does that. >> Do you think that this is something. about why we like comedy? Do you think. that that's connected? >> Great question. That's a great question. I mean, that's why I think I always am. enamored with dancers is dancers are. always like in their bodies like. thinking about their bodies, moving.

them, and you can see how they move. They're just they are inside their. bodies. And I think you're right, comedy, a lot of it is like [laughter]. like you're that's what's we're up in. that air with it. And like it's fun to. be the disembodied, but then sometimes. what I've learned with myself and what. Pilates helped me to realize is that. [clears throat] I've got to have some. more balance with this. Cuz it's fun to. be we cuz sometimes you need to be we. >> but then it's like you need to also. really have the practices that remind. you that it's safe inside too. >> Totally.

>> Let's do the hundreds really fast. [laughter]. >> By the way, it's time to work out. You. didn't know. [laughter]. >> Okay. You're hosting an amazing podcast. and have for many years. I got had the. pleasure of doing it and you're so good. at it. Oh my gosh. And um what have you. like I know I'm learning a lot about you. know even how I communicate, how I. operate, what I bring to the what have. you learned about yourself from talking. to all these people? >> Well, you know, I felt like I always.

>> knew that I like to talk, but I didn't. know that it was something people. enjoyed, you know what I mean? So, I. feel like I was so surprised um and and. delightfully surprised that people would. want to hear conversations because. that's what I love to have. So I feel. like the podcast I mean you know when. you're going to any podcast that it's. time to talk and it's time to get into. something interesting. >> Well not everyone not everyone does. that. >> Right. Like I feel like you and I could. talk forever and ever. >> That's not always the case with people.

who come in to talk. >> Yeah. >> And it's fascinating to sit in the. tolerate. >> Yeah. >> the silence of it too. It's hard. That's. hard for me. You know, a lot of um some. people have asked me about that with the. guests, like, you know, do you enjoy. every single guest? And I was like, I. do, but every guest is different. So, the level of enjoyment is also. predicated on how much they're willing. So, you're right that sometimes, you. know, it's not that it's not a great. time, but it's that maybe this person's. not that open and and that's okay. I'm. going to meet them where they are and.

still we're going to have a great time. >> Well, that's what you can do so well is. meet people where they are and mirror. people like their energy. I find. sometimes, you know, my my like. codependency, it's hard for me to not. fill in a silence [laughter]. >> and then you're like in your head you're. like, "Shh, quiet now. Quiet, quiet.". And it's like, "I can't I can't stop. talking." That's the regulator. That's. like, "I got to regulate this." It's. like rhythm. And I think about this all. the time as a as a performer. Like I. think we're constantly in rhythms. So.

it's like when we hear a down beat, we. like, "Oh [ __ ] it turned into McBTH. real fast.". >> [laughter]. >> like where are we now? >> Can you say McBth on a podcast? Is that. bad luck? [laughter]. >> Like it gets, you know, so it's the but. but but sometimes it's like that's. [snorts] what it needs to be. I'm also. in a season of practicing restraint. >> I'm trying to p when I tell you I'm. raining my [ __ ] in like my name is. Rudolph. [laughter]. >> I'm raining it in. >> Season of restraint.

>> Season of restraint. >> What does that look like? How? What? I I. feel that. So, God, that is so hard. >> It's like. >> seeing something and knowing something. and not saying it, >> you know, having a conversation and. deciding to let reality show me instead. of. >> pulling for more, asking for more. Um, you know, if it doesn't feel good, right? If I have to contort myself or. push in order for it to happen, >> deciding that that that I should pull.

back. You know what I mean? Then it's. and I and I'm really happy that I'm in. this season and I and again I always. bring everything back to my son, but my. son is really bringing out the best in. me because as a mom I feel like we had. to practice restraint. >> That's right. >> Because we got to let our kids learn. things. That's right. >> We can't always step in the way. And so. that's teaching me that wait a minute, I. probably should be pulling back in a lot. of areas in my life. And not only will. that actually be a better service to the. things that I'm a part of, >> but I'll al also have more energy. >> Oh yeah.

>> When it's time for me. And it's a hard. lesson. It was a hard lesson for me to. learn, which is actually people feel. closer to you when they get to take care. of you, which barf. I mean, like like. I was like, what? >> Why am I so adverse? >> What do you mean? I know. I was like, what do you mean? I take care of people. That's my love language. And And it's. like, no. >> What are you gonna do for me? [laughter]. >> You're not gonna do it right. >> I gotta You got to do it. I know. I. sometimes feel like you an obligation.

that nobody's asking for. By the way, people aren't asking it of me, but an. obligation to mirror, match, and take. care of people. And then secondly, speaking of Rashidita Kadata, her sister. taught me this. She was like, "You cut. the cords when you get home, right?" And. I was like, >> I was, [laughter] "Girl, when you. started talking about visualizations, give this Melissa Joart, Sabrina, TEENAGE WITCH, MY SHOW. MY GIRL, these. are good rituals.". >> Do you know girl? I've been cutting. somebody cool for the last month. Let's. say it's a relationship, even a family. member, whatever it the thing you feel.

like is hooked to you. >> Yeah. >> For me, I was imagining the cord of this. relationship that I felt was weighing me. down. It was not. >> good for me. I was feeling too. emotionally uh pulled from it. constantly. So, >> she walked me through visualizing a cord. and it and it was like the cord was. thick. It was like the weight of a ton. It was like thick, like almost leathery. I could feel it right around my my like. my my sacerel area. You know what I.

mean? Like it was it's it's deep. It's. deep rooted to my power source. >> And I just sat there and say, "You know. what? I need a I need a I need a knife. No, I I need a [ __ ] axe to cut. this shit.". >> So I just started visualizing where this. cord is right here in this miss. And. every day I was axing it and it would. try to come back. It would try to. rejuvenate itself. And I kept asking it, asking it, asking it, and now it's gone. >> It's no longer there. But these visualis.

are absolutely necessary. For me, it's. more about like that feeling when you. walk through a cobweb. >> and you get that like feeling where. you've got a cobweb on you and you're. like and you know it's around and it's. kind of sticky. I think that way. sometimes when I walk through my house, which is I got to get rid of other. people's cobwebs. And it can be like. person that you walked past to that like. gave you a shitty look or a bad. conversation or even just like some. version of yourself that you didn't like. that day. That kind of feeling of. entering a a threshold clean and clear.

>> Whatever it takes. My grandma, I didn't. realize this until I got older and I. started to reflect back. My grandma used. to always do tell me and teach me to. sweep in front of the porch. >> and sweep in back of the porch. And it. was just like this same kind of concept. of. >> removing everything, >> making sure you know it's clean, you. know, cleaning your space and kind of. setting the tone and setting the area. I. think those things like getting back. into that stuff and talking with other.

women about that kind of thing is just. feels so empowering. It's so good for. the soul. You know what I mean? >> Okay. Um, you g I feel like you got a. lot of this like really good sense of. how to read people from Chicago. Yes. where you grew up. And I bet a lot of. people don't assume you're from the. Midwest. >> They don't. They don't. But I feel like. I give Midwest. What is What's the most. Midwest thing about you? >> Well, I love the mundane. [laughter].

>> Like I love simplicity. >> Yes. >> And that's why when people always like. they always are interested in my dating. life or you know what type of It's like. I'm always interested in Everyday Joe. >> because that reminds me of where I'm. from. That doesn't mean that everyday. Joe's not special. It just means that. he's not flashy. He's not flamboyant. He's not taking up all, you know, he. might take up space because he's. awesome, but he's not like that's not. how he enters the room. And I feel like. that's. >> uh Chicago is very blue collar. It's. very like people are amazing and. awesome, but they're kind of like no big. deal.

>> Totally. >> So, I love that kind of energy when. people don't have to um put on too much. You know what I'm saying? They can be. themselves and they can give a little. jazz, but it doesn't have to be like for. a certain thing. It's just them being a. cool person. I love like, you know, picnics, >> going to the lake, you know, being in a. trailer. I love a trailer. I love going. like around a road trip type of. situation. Like. >> just things that I feel like very are. very salt of the earth.

>> Who is a Chicago star that you saw when. you were there? Like. >> Bernie Mack. >> Oh my god. Can we talk about Bernie M? >> Bernie Mack. Bernie Mack, baby. Bernie. Mack, Chicago legend. >> Love Bernie Mack. Bernie M. Rest in. peace. >> Rest in peace. We love Bernie. >> He was He hosted SN. He was so nice. >> I miss Bernie so much. >> Tell me how why he was important to you. and how you met him. >> Because he was so I actually never met. Bernie Mack. I didn't get to meet him, which is devastating, you know. It's.

devastating. >> I have a couple of those people, too, where I'm like, how. >> I didn't meet Whitney Houston. >> Yeah. God, Whitney would have loved you. And I feel like we would like, [laughter]. >> you know, like would just but love her. daughter, Bobby Christina. >> Yeah. >> Me and Bobby Christina met on MySpace. and we would always be like, "Hey girl, hey girl." Love Bobby Christina. Rest in. peace to Bobby Christina, too. But um. yeah, I always loved Bernie because. >> he was so funny and so real and always. was able to ride the wave of like being. edgy and saying something true, but also.

still like. >> I think the wonderful thing about any. great comedian um is to be able to bring. up difficult topics and make and. metabolize them, help the public. metabolize them through entertainment. Um and I think he was great with that. Totally. >> Um and he just was Yeah, he just he also. seemed like a really sweet person. Everybody loved Bernie too, you know. what I mean? And so he just had it. seemed to have a genuine spirit and. obviously a great inspiration. So I love. whenever I think about uh you know. anybody Chicago greats, you know, Bernie. Mack is one of the first people that. come in my mind.

>> Now I'm picturing you and Whitney though. singing on stage. >> Oh my gosh. >> Oh my gosh. >> That would have been God that would have. been incredible. Okay. Okay. Sorry. Well, um but so you're in Chicago and. both of your parents were actors. >> Yeah. Not professional, but they. >> did it like that way. They met that way. They did speech and turp. They met. actually at a a speech competition in. New Orleans. That's where they had papas. for the first time. [laughter] They. always bring that up cuz I guess like. back then Popeyes was like raising Canes. or like Chick-fil-A before it became. national. Like it was only in New.

Orleans. So they always talk about that. was the first time we had Popeyes. [laughter]. >> Also Popeyes is branded this. No, I'm. kidding. But they loved they they always. talked about that. They talked about. their story of falling in love through. the arts when they got back to Chicago. My mom went to uh New York and she was. going to be a you know actress and. performer and my dad stayed in Chicago. and they would be like pin pals writing. letters back and forth and talking on. the phone every now and then. >> and my mom couldn't afford tap shoes so. my dad like spent all his money and like. she had tap shoes at her door like the. following week and that was so touching.

to her and he was so supportive of her. and then one day he she doesn't hear. from him and she's like where this. [ __ ] she's like pissed she's. like a few days have gone by like who. the hell where the hell and Finally, she. gets a call and she's like angry. She's. like, "What? What do you mean, Larry?". And Larry got into a car. He got into a. big accident. >> Oh my gosh. >> And his mouth has BEEN LIKE CLOSED SHUT, >> SO HE couldn't speak. >> She was on the next flight out. And she. said, "I knew how I felt then. >> that I had to be with this man for the.

rest of my life." So, she goes back to. Chicago. They do theater in Chicago at. the Black Ensemble Theater started by. Jackie Taylor. It still goes on. And my. parents performed in this really cool uh. musical called The Other Cinderella. >> and they just Right. Right. Right. Which. is crazy. Right. >> Kiki was in Cinderella. >> That's it's so weird to me these little. like and Yeah. And then they started. having kids and they kind of it was kind. of a dreams deferred situation. They. were like, "Oh, reality hit.". >> What I love you speak all the time so.

beautifully about it is how your family. made a big sacrifice to kind of support. your dream. They moved from Chicago to. LA. Your siblings came too, right? Did. they come? They came. They all They all. picked up and moved. >> They all picked up. So, we drove four. days and three nights and then when we. got there was like, "Oh my gosh, we're. so broke." You know what I mean? How are. we going to get pull things together? So, I get an agent. Uh, and we've been. we had been talking and emailing and I. had met some people before on a one trip. that I went with my parents. So, we knew. who I was going to be working with and I.

got me an agent and immediately I mean. really very quickly I got a job. When I. got that job, >> was it what was the job? It was a movie. that I did with William H. Macy. I was. 10 years old and it was called the wool. cap and like it was kind of like a play. on go. So like he didn't talk. >> and I was like this little girl that was. like this me and my friend, you know, we. need this. You know, the movie is so. it's so old. It was like a TNT film. Anyhow, we did this movie and my mom and. I went to Montreal. It was the first. time that my parents had like not been.

around each other 24/7, you know, in. like since she was 19. Cuz a lot of. people don't know when you're a minor. and you're on set, you need an adult. guardian with you at all times. >> But then it's like they're only going to. pay for one, >> right? >> So my dad stayed back and this was like. kind of a moment where the family. experienced what we knew we never wanted. to really have to experience again, which was separation. >> So my dad was in LA making sure we had a. good place to stay. My sisters and my uh. my sister and my uh younger brother and. sister went back with my grandma for a.

little bit. >> Yeah. And then when we came back after. that movie, we knew that it was like. >> whatever situation we get in, we need to. make it to where we can be together at. some point. Like we have to figure this. out. And so that was like the beginning. And so it that caused for a lot of. sacrifices. >> It's a lot of pressure on you too. It's. a lot of pressure on you. >> for sure. Tons. >> and that I couldn't really. >> hold. I think in the beginning I. probably talked about it more. >> And then as time went on it was just. like if I talk about this anymore I'm. going to break. >> Yeah. because you've decided to do.

something that you love. You're a. natural at it. You the family is like, "Okay, we're behind you." And then of. course, like with that comes like an. expectation that you're not you can't. complain about the thing that's hard to. do. And you can't change your mind about. the thing that's hard to do. No. And you. have to keep doing the thing that you. are really naturally good at and love to. do because it's it's taking care of a. lot of people. It's a lot. >> Heavy on that last part because our. lives changed tremendously. >> Yeah. And once you when you're when you.

when you're in poverty, you don't really. know too much. I mean, especially at the. age in which I was, you know, when I. left, >> I was 10. >> So, it it didn't really hit me yet that. like this could be a problem. Now, certain things did, right? Like I had. experienced discrimination with my race. I had experienced like, oh, I can't get. KSwiss at Pay Less. You know, I had. experienced some things, but they. weren't, it wasn't so heavy yet. I still. felt like, you know, and then when you. actually see it, when I actually started. to see what I was missing out on, what.

my family was missing out on, I felt. that they deserve so much more. I felt. we deserve so much more. So then it. became like, how do I make sure that we. get to have what I realized was like. really things that all human beings. should have. >> But that's a that's adult thinking and. behavior. That's adultified, parentified. stuff pretty early. And you've talked. about I love how you talk about I know. you talk about it with your family like. it feels like you've really in in a way. that I think few people you know because. you certainly don't have to be an actor.

to have that happen to you. You can have. it can be any of the child is actually. quite common. >> Exactly. >> Especially under capitalism. >> It is tough but it's the truth. And I. think that's been such a big part of my. healing and my family's healing because. it all cost us something. People judge. my parents so badly. They really, really. judge them. Um, and that was a hurt that. I didn't know because I was also feeling. what I was feeling in my position. And. so.

>> them owning what us talking about it and. owning what that experience did to all. of us to be so perceived um to be so. judged for what some things were out of. our control. Like I mean how can you. be how can you reject the reality that. my parents weren't going to get the same. opportunities that I was getting? Also. they had a daughter like you and you. are a very very special person. I mean,

I don't believe anybody's above and. anybody's below, but you have you have a. gift. >> And I think I realized just how much. courage it took my parents. >> to really let me go. >> and really like let me be me because. Yeah, it was a lot. >> Little Akila and the Bee Kiki. >> I mean, it must be wild to have your. inner child in a movie. >> It's so [laughter] crazy. You know it is. like you can go you're like I'm going to. go check out my inner child and you turn.

it on. I mean that performance you in it. and that that moment is so tender. It's. so precious and so special. >> It hits me more now. >> Do you want Has Leo seen that? >> He hasn't seen it yet. Leo does has has. shown that he doesn't think I'm that. dope. [laughter]. >> He has Yeah, >> it has starting it started to appear. >> Yeah. >> That uh I'm not really cool to him. I. remember I was playing some [laughter].

I was playing some Drake, you know. >> Uhhuh. >> And I was like, "Hey, hey, hey." I was. like, "A G ag.". >> Oh, yeah. Don't. >> stop. Stop it. Stop it. No. You need to. stop being silly. >> You're like, >> "Everybody loves when I get silly. [laughter]. >> Silly pays the bills, honey. Everybody loves when I do the silly. thing. You hate it somehow.". >> Oh, yeah. >> He's like, "Cut that [ __ ] out." It's. crazy how brutal they can be. >> It's I mean his his his face for my.

silliness is this much. He'll go he'll. gag with me for a minute and then he's. like stop. He's like please cut the. clown sh. [laughter]. [laughter]. >> It's so true. But that's healthy. That's. healthy. That is. >> Oh my gosh. Cuz they really set you. straight. And also, you do not want your. kid to be like, >> you do not want your kid taking care. like taking care of your ego and. feelings. You just don't you don't want. them to be like, "Oh, I got to make sure.

that mom feels funny today.". >> Oh my gosh, that. >> dangerous like if your kid. >> my my my son the other day was like. doing back to me all my fake laughs and. I was like, I feel so seen. He was like, "Mom, you know, you didn't think it was. that funny." And I'm like, "What do you. He's like, "Well, cuz you were like,". [laughter] and I was like, "What?" And. he was like, "You know when you go and I. was like," [laughter]. and I go, "Stop paying attention to me.". I know. >> It's so incredible.

>> They're really They're always watching. >> Okay. Um, can I talk to you about a. couple people that you worked with? cuz. there are some people that you work with. that I I love and I know you've worked. with some very very special people and. they've meant a lot to you and you've. you have worked with so many wonderful. women. >> and I I do want to ask and specifically. focus on the women that you've worked. with Angela Basset. >> Okay, talk about Angela. >> Angela Basset hands down incredible. uh. working with her on a key the bee was.

the best gift that I could have coming. into this industry and she taught me. something that I didn't really. understand well enough till later but. she taught me a skill of how to get to. the emotion without damaging yourself. >> because I think for many years cuz I. didn't have a lot of experiences as a. kid it was hard for me to attach what. the character was going through to. something that had happened to me. >> without damaging myself without being. like my grandma died. >> and so when I was on set with her I had. a scene where Dr. Larry leaves me, you. know, doesn't help me anymore. And she.

so she I I can't cry. I can't get to the. emotion. And she's like, "Who helps you. with everything?" I'm like, "Oh, you. know, my mom." You know, like, "Who. takes you who helps you with your lines? Who takes you to the auditions?" I'm. like, "My mom." She was like, "Well, what if your mom said, "I'm not helping. you anymore. You can't do the thing that. you love." And I immediately started. crying. >> And that was like something that I now. understand. And I do it all the time, but for many years from that moment in. in between, I struggled with doing the. wrong thing, which could be really.

hurtful to you as an actor cuz your. emotions don't know that you're kidding. >> That's right. They sometimes what helps. me cry is I'm like, I'm doing such a bad. job in the scene. I can't cry. I'm not. kidding. >> Queen Latifah. >> Okay. Dana. [snorts]. >> Dana Owen. >> Dana is she's. >> so remarkable. >> She's really something. She taught me. what it means to be a CEO, to be a. businesswoman. >> If you're listening, please come on. >> Oh, yo, >> have you had her on your podcast? >> She's never Yeah, she's doesn't do I. ain't saying that. >> She doesn't do pods. Come do me and.

Kiki's pods. We'll do it together. >> That would be sickening. >> Yeah, she's something. >> She doesn't really talk too much. So, if. you hear her, you'll be like, >> "Well, she's a queen. She doesn't have. to.". >> And boy, DOES SHE SHE ALSO TAUGHT ME HOW. TO WALK. I STILL HAVEN'T GOT her walk. together. But when I tell you that queen. is titties up, ass back. Incredible. I. know. >> I love the way she walks. It's such a. hot walk. Her back is straight. Yeah. The chest is hot. >> Regal, smart, funny, great sense of. humor about herself, which like doesn't. take herself too seriously. Like you.

learn so much about somebody when they. come and host SNL like immediately. You. learn immediately cuz they're nervous. >> You you learn what people get what are. like when they're nervous or stressed. She was so fun and funny and I've told. the story before. There was a moment. where me and her and Maya had to sing. these like jingles and it was very SNL. like live show. They're counting down. like 10 [clears throat] 9 8 and then the. stage manager is like there's no music. Five four and we're like what? Three and. she's like just sing without music. Two.

one and we're like. and after she was like she just like had. such a good time with that. >> the chaos. >> the chaos. What did you get under. pressure. >> that people are watching even when you. don't think they're watching. >> because I remember when I'd worked with. her I started working with her a couple. of different times and I was like you. know one on the one of the last times. the director was like you know it was. hard to figure out who we wanted to give. the role to and we spoke to queen we.

asked who who she thought was the best. person for the job and she said you and. so I was thanking her for like you know. thank you for for believing in me and. she said well Kiki I've actually been. you know it's not just me believing you. I've actually been seeing watching you. >> Yeah. >> And I'm like, "Dan, you was" And she was. like, "You are professional. You show up. to everything that you do.". >> Um, and so keep cuz you don't know. I. just remember thinking in that moment. like, "Wow." Like. >> my work ethic precedes me. You know, the. the way that I continue to move into the.

game, it's going to count for something. at some point. >> Also, it's not what you say, it's what. you do. >> You know what I'm saying? Like even. though we like to talk, you like to talk. talk talk. Like uh my the I. acts of service for me is a love. language. Like the way people what. people do. You can say whatever you. want, but like what did you actually do? >> And it sounds like she was like she did. things. She made things happen for you. >> continuously over time. >> Yeah. >> That's amazing. Do you like to cry? Are.

you a good crier. >> in real life? >> Yeah, >> I think so. I think I'm an easy crier. I. think I'm that person that's like time. to cry. >> But do you do you cry by yourself or. >> I cry actually alone quite a lot. >> I love crying alone. >> Some people can say I have a depression. issue. >> No, I love crying alone. >> But I love to cry alone and I and I and. I save space and hold space for it where. I'll just pick up. >> sometimes I'm like I'm going to cry. tonight. But. >> it is it's like I'm going to get I'm. going to get I'm going to get on a TV.

show. I'm going to get under my I'm. going to get on my biomat. I'm going to. get into my I'm going to cry. I'm going. to cry. Like my life depends on it. I. will literally cry, cry, cry. And it it. it's a because it's actually like a. release. >> Yes. >> It's a release of this sadness that you. need brought out that you buried. Maybe. it was from last yesterday. Maybe it was. from 10 years ago, but you you caught it. in the in the ether of your mind. You're. like, I never cried about that. >> I think I also have a lot of anger. Mhm. A lot of anger because, you know, it's.

been it's such a thing as a black woman. where it's like. >> can't [snorts] be angry. >> Oh yeah. >> But then it's like it goes to the point. where it's like, [ __ ] you should be. angry for that. Yeah. >> You know what I mean? And so I feel like. I'm dealing now with the realities of. >> holding space for the fact that I'm. allowed to be angry without wearing the. weight of the perception around being an. angry black woman. >> Yeah. you know, so I think I I have a. lot of work to do there where I allow. myself the space to be pissed off. So. the IDEA OF JUST LIKE [screaming].

[laughter]. >> I STARTED GETTING into rock music a. little bit more. >> [ __ ] yeah. >> I got a couple right rock songs that I. wrote. >> Whoa. >> Oh my gosh. And I'm like [laughter]. because I'm letting that rage out. You. know what I mean? Where I'm NEED TO BE. LIKE, "YEAH." Cuz it's like I'm I'm. actually angry. >> Yeah. >> You know, and you know, I didn't let it. out, you know? [ __ ] yeah. No [ __ ]. >> Crazy. >> God, I love that for you, Kiki. [clears throat] I love that. I love that. anger. Um, I love that era for you. I do. like that very much.

>> And And. I hate you so much right now. [screaming]. [laughter]. >> Wait, what are some good angry angry. songs? That was a good one. >> Oh my gosh, I love that. I also love. Fifi Doson. I grew up loving Fifi. Dobson. She's like OG classic, you know? That's my girl. Um other songs that are. like really good for screaming. >> Good screaming song. I mean um. >> I mean you can go to that G4 like. Rihanna back in that one. That one right. after Good Girl going bad. She was. pissed.

>> Yeah. And and [ __ ] Better Have My Money. is not screamy but it's angry. >> You know what I'm saying? Also what. now I just can't figure it out. You. remember that one? I love that album. because that album was like. >> the second album was like. >> it was like good girl going bad and then. the second album was like yo I'm in a. dark place angry. It was really I mean. >> those albums uh were just so curated in. a way that told us the story of a woman. becoming I felt that way with Mary J.

Mary Mary is that too. >> Mary had like a way of expressing that. like um a mature anger. >> Oh my gosh, Mary. And then I'm just. fine. She was [laughter]. >> like she showed us. >> Yeah. She showed us the work. I know. >> Let's get it up on [laughter]. Mary. I'm so obsessed. >> I'm obsessed with Mary. >> And now she's on stage like can't wait.

to get off. Also, did you ever HEAR. [laughter]. >> I love her down? >> That's success. >> You know, it's a minute you're on, you're waiting to go. >> TRUE CAPRICORN ENERGY. >> She's She's so right. We don't hear. enough. Mary, please. If you and. >> Oh my gosh, Mary and Queen are listening. to this together. Please. Come on. Please. Um, okay. JLo. >> Oh, love JLo. >> Okay. I feel like you guys have a. >> You get me up off her, [laughter]. >> my girl. >> Okay. What did you love about working. with her? Well, first of all, I love. that she's a real boss [ __ ] and she.

don't play. >> She's very like, >> come on. >> But she's again watching. >> and she has respect for people that are. showing up and giving 100%. >> And so we kind of bonded because she saw. me like on my grind. I wasn't like. trying to be too like I mean I'M ON VAN, BUT I WAS like I have so much respect. for you and then boom, I'm going to do. what I got to do and I'm make I'm. focusing on my thing. And she was kind. of like well let how can I help you with. that? >> Like how can we like she really liked. that I was in my own bag. and we became.

really close and I've gone through. things in my life. >> where it's like randomly she'll be like. >> call me if you need me. >> I'll call her and she'll give me some. real deal. >> and it's like it's just like she's a. real girl's girl. >> mentor, >> you know what I mean? She's a real. mentor and she's like I want you to win. You know what I mean? I want you to win. and also it's it's I want you to win in. this way where it's also like. >> you're already winning. >> Yeah. >> Which is a really cool way to empower. somebody. You know what I mean? Where. it's like. >> Whoopi Goldberg is like that. Wie.

Goldberg is very very like Woopy. Goldberg is like. >> I'm in chapter 100. [laughter]. >> You are currently at chapter 30 and I. see it. >> Yeah. Like a sage and that I don't think. that ever at least for me that's never. ended which is the women that are ahead. of me like I'm just watching them like. how are you doing it? How are you. operating? What can I learn from you? Like, and then the women younger than me. constantly and and like thankfully keep. challenging the things that I'm very. certain about. Like, every time I get.

certain, I'm like, "Right, right, right." There's a young person being. like, "Just before you like carve that. in stone, you want to give that another. thought?" And I'm like, "Fuck, you're so. right." Like that's that's like it feels. like that's the. >> I really love that because Queen. actually said something Dana said. something like that to me before that. made me feel so good because people give. you so much you want to be able to give. them something. >> and she had said has said something. around those those lines where it's like. >> you know it it becomes recursive.

>> because there is something that you can. hopefully show because of the groundwork. that they laid. Well, hey, when you. ground when you laid that groundwork, I. decided to go left and I found something. new. >> So, maybe we can go left together, too. >> And that's very cool. >> Yeah, very cool. I got to I got to say. one guy I got to put one guy on this. list, >> Jordan Peele. >> Oh my gosh, Jordan. >> I mean, I really wish that we worked. together again. your relationship and. and that film and nope you were so. incredible in that movie beautiful like.

like such. >> charismatic interesting work he is so. talented of course. >> to be directed by him what's that like. how does it what how do you like how he. works how do you like his system. >> he was the first director that made me. realize and this is no shade to any. other director but made me realize that. my opinion was a part of being an actor. >> that not just taking the orders of or. just doing exactly what you know and.

every director is different. I'm open to. that. I'm I'm really. >> think that's also why I've been working. in the industry as I have because I'm. very moldable. I'm very malable. I guess. I'll say it's the mutable qualities of. Virgo where I can go where you go once. I've signed on and I if I if I respect. you that's why I mean I've only signed. on if I respect you and so I'm open to. where you want to take me. Totally. But. his my experience with him was I respect. you. Where do you think I should take. this? >> And that was like a really enriching and. empowering experience that now I.

actually take to my projects even where. the director's not as. >> open. I say well I hold their feet to. the fire on well on day one you told me. the character's this way. >> so I can go where you want me to go. Yeah, >> but. >> I want you to know that this is. contradictory. And so what does that. mean to her at this point in time? what. does that actually you know so having. that experience with him really. empowered that side of me that felt like. I could be open and vocal about. >> how to keep consistencies in a character.

what felt most true to the role um and. then he was fun. >> because you didn't come from an ensemble. like you never had that ensemble feeling. like of collaborating in that way like. >> that's such a good point what you say. because that's probably that's Jordan. [clears throat]. >> yeah sketch improv like that idea that. like like We're all going to try to. figure that out together. And it's just. a little less lonely. Like it it's a it. it can really at least for me anyway, it. was like acting is hard and lonely. Um. and can be is, you know, cuz everybody.

has their own special thing. Okay. Now, um as the therapist would say, I'm aware. of the time, [laughter] but um I just. there's a few other things I want to. talk to you about. The BBS go. Hold on, Jenna. Let me look at what is BBS. Okay. Can I give you that second? >> This is the first time this has ever. happened where I talked talked to the. guests for so long that they have to go. to the bathroom. >> Okay, Kiki Palmer is back. How was the. bathroom? >> Oh my gosh, that was amazing.

>> Okay, great. [laughter] It's good to be. hydrated, but sheesh. >> Yeah. Okay, so we you're in Space Balls, which is hilarious coming out. You're in. uh I Love Boosters. Huge film, incredible cast, you guys. >> Shout outs to Boot Boo Riley. I love him. so much. you and and like that movie. just looks so fun and original. Congrats. on that. And then um the BBS, another. season of that which is. >> starting to shoot in the fall. >> Yeah. >> And so we have a question uh for you. from um Miss Paula Pel.

>> So Paul, we spoke to Paula. Yeah. Let's. talk about Paula. >> She's the one of the most incredible. humans ever. [laughter]. >> I know. >> she really really is. First of all, she's really talented, skillful writer, very, very funny, but she's the kind of. person where you can know you can call. her up and drive down to the mountains. and just be on the couch and have fun. with her and her wife and just have the. best weekend. Like, she's just really. She reminds me of home, but she's also a. Midwestern gal. >> That's right. You guys are Midwestern.

gals. So, she spoke so highly of you and. so lovingly of you and we talked behind. your back and she and she um and she you. know is on the BBS with you co-stars in. that show and she had a question that I. love and wanted to ask you about because. it ties into the idea of rest and she. her question was what does it look like. for Kiki Palmer to rest? You know, I've. learned that for me rest still is. active. I need to be active. And I think.

that's why I I like Pilates more than. yoga. >> Yes. >> Does it make sense? >> I can't because. >> so slow I want to die. >> It's you know what I mean? There has to. be some activity in rest. So rest looks. like for me. >> um a day with my son in the yard. playing. >> It looks like getting my nails done or. my hair done or both. >> It looks like. >> look incredible. >> Thank you. I got them done. >> For me, rest is like. a recharge. Mhm. >> And then another thing that I've been.

doing that's kind of more typical on the. nose, but I've realized that it's really. good for me is I've been taking naps. >> Really? I started taking naps. Fantastic. In the car, [laughter] you. know, >> in the bathroom just now. >> That's what I just did. I've literally been cuz you know. sometimes you'll be going in between. these jobs. It'll be 30 minutes. >> Oh yeah. >> Could even be a 45minute ride in LA. depending on where you're going. >> I started napping. >> There's a really cool woman I want you. to check out. you should maybe have on. your show uh Dr. Sandre um Dr. Sandre.

Dalton Smith and she did a TED talk. about rest and also spec like she talks. a lot about black women and and the need. Yes. and the need for that specifically. to your point a very specific kind. >> genetically it's like rest is not an. option rest also it uh it is like you. could have died trying to rest you know. what I mean and so um you know and I. feel like any of the any of the when you. think about black lineage if your family. is here today y'all definitely didn't.

rest. >> right. >> it's why you're here. >> that's right. >> so it's like uh it's a lot of undoing. with that. >> she talks about spiritual rest and. creative rest and all this stuff and. it's cool and I just like to hear like I. I thank you for saying that cuz I also. feel like my rest um needs to be a. little active and I don't always um know. where to put it and you know like. puttering is a big one for me just like. puttering. >> well I call it puttering but it's just. like walking around the house like and. it's not housekeeping which is different.

right like it's not cleaning it's just. kind of like. like organi it's a little bit of. organizing like organizing a pile or. just like with no goal just like going. from room to room and just kind of. thinking about like, you know, like. maybe taking a note like I I got to. remember to. >> I actually love puttering too. >> Puttering. I got to remember to change I. I want to change the the cover on that. chair. I should do that. No expectation. to do it. Just like observing in slow. motion, you know, and and just touching.

things. >> That's the mundane. That's the mundane. That's right. >> It's the mundane. It's so that moment in. between the scene. and do the puzzles, >> you know. >> Okay, I'm here to tell you. >> I'm here to tell you. I know. >> What do you think? >> It's good. >> I think that's going to be the next. thing for you because here's why the. Virgo in you is going to love a puzzle. cuz I'm not particularly good at them, by the way. It's not like I I can't like. I don't really like have a great puzzle. brain. >> You take the puzzle, you sort the.

pieces, which feels really nice. You. sort them, you walk away. Like puzzles. take forever. There's no like deadline. for a puzzle. You get a nice puzzle. board or a table. You're like, "This is. where I do my puzzle." Then you come. back, you have your coffee, and you're. like, you know, you're like, "This is. never, you know, it's going to take me. forever to do this puzzle." And then you. find one piece and you put it in. You're. like, "Fucking hot dog." You get an. instant an instant boost. You did one. thing and then you go, "Maybe I'll try. to get one more." And you're like, "No, I got to go to work." The puzzle is this. like long meditation.

>> I I like puzzles for you. You know, when I was a little girl at my. grandma's house, we would do puzzles. >> Mhm. So, there's something that was that. could unlock. >> Okay. Final final minutes speed round. >> Ooh. >> Anything you have about any of this, shout it out. Favorite old sitcom. >> Oh, well, this was the one that came. into mind immediately, so I'm going to. say this one. Family Matters. >> Yes. >> But but I there's many more, but that's. just what came to me. >> Comfort. Comfort watch. Okay. Manicures.

You love them. Yeah. >> How like what how long do your manicures. take? >> And what do you like? >> Hopefully no more than an hour and 30. minutes. >> Okay, great. >> I like to keep it pretty simple. A color. with maybe like a glaze or a chrome or. you know what I mean? Right now I've got. the French chip with a little glaze. Like I try to keep it like where it goes. with everything. I don't want I'm not. the girl that's like I was there for. three hours. No. No. >> Okay. Standup comedy. Would you ever do. it? Yes. >> You do it every day? >> No. But I would totally love to do I. need to find a writing partner. I would.

have to do a stand up. >> You got an hour already of material. You. go on the Hollywood Reporter. You do. that thing. You talk about [laughter]. two girls in one cup. And Quinta goes, "Kiki." And I'm like, "That is it. You're so. >> I really want to do." Okay. You all. right? We're going to do that. You're. going to do that. If you want to do it, you're going to do it. Album you're. listening to right now. >> Oh, album I'm listening to right now. >> What are you listening to right now? >> You know, I'm not I haven't totally. digested the Drake album. I've listened. to a few songs. >> Lot of songs. I haven't completely. digested Don Toiver's last project, but.

I like listening to him a lot. Um, >> you know, I'll be honest with you, there's not many artists that I'm like, >> if there's old or new right now, like if. you were like, let's start dancing, like. I want to get a party going. What would. you. >> love? >> Do you ever think of candy [singing]. and rain? EVERYBODY WILL BE DANCING. [screaming]. OKAY. Have you ever seen a ghost?

[laughter]. >> I think I felt one. >> Can't you tell that I never want you to. leave? [laughter]. >> Okay. You felt one. Okay, great. >> I think I felt. >> Okay, perfect. The spirit of a ghost. >> Do you Do you have a go-to baby present? >> Money. >> Money. >> Just money. Y'all need it. [laughter]. >> Come on. We all could use it. You know. what I mean? Money is like my like. >> hand it to the baby. [laughter]. And I do the old school. I put something. in a cot like the c before the baby. [laughter]. Put something in the car. You know what.

I mean? And they're like, "Yeah.". >> Yeah. Love. >> Oh my god. Um Okay. And then lastly, what's making you laugh these days? Like. what do you a video, a show? Um a like. is it a friend? What are you reading. something? When you're like when you're. when you need a laugh, what do you. watch, read, do? Where do you go? What. do you Where do you get it? >> Honestly, with my friends. Like we I'm. always having something to talk about. There's something going on. There's. something. So, I'm a real like.

[sighs and gasps]. >> one of my good friends, Ian. We be. laughing on the phone like nobody's. business. >> No. See, you like to talk on the phone. with Ian. >> Yeah. He's good, though. >> Okay. [laughter]. >> And honestly, it'll be like a 10-minute, you know, it's like, you know, it's not. we, you know, it's not hours because we. just be like, "Oh my gosh." Like, I got. to go. And I'm like, "I got to go." Ian, you know, I can't be on the phone too. long. Boom. [laughter] And it's like. done. But we are like, >> how did you guys meet? >> We met through my other really good. friend Courtney. And so Courtney. introduced me to Ian. And Ian is just so.

funny. He is like shout out to he line. dances. Like he line dances at the. party. He gets us all together. >> Fun. He's a party pumper. >> He is. He's so much fun. So we be. cackling feet kicked back. My sisters. also make me laugh. Like I'm so. community. Like my people like we we be. laughing, cutting up, you know. >> Yeah. Kiki, it makes perfect sense. because you do that for us. Like I. cannot tell you how many years like you. know I have the pleasure to know you. now, but just before I knew you like you.

made me you gave me such joy and you. continue to do that for me all the time. You're so yourself. You're so real. You're so funny. You're so talented. [laughter]. >> I just love you. Like I literally have. TO I'M LIKE SO LIKE OVER STIMULATED. I'M. LIKE HUGGING holding myself cuz I'm like. [laughter] let's do the hund. >> [laughter]. [gasps]. >> You were so. >> Thank you so much for doing this. >> You look legit. >> Same. Right back. I mean, you're Kiki. Palmer,

>> Lauren. Kiki Palmer, the talent of all. talents here today. Thanks for being. here. Love having you. [crying and screaming]. >> Oh my gosh. [applause]. >> Thank you so much, Kiki. You are Oh god, I could have talked to you all day. You're so funny and fun to be around and. positive and interesting and the real. deal. Kiki Palmer, thanks for joining. us. And you know, we talked about work. and we talked about rest. And for this. Polar Plunge, I I just want to um point. everyone's attention to a very um a cool.

woman who speaks about rest, the seven. types of rest. We mentioned her in the. podcast and she has uh an interesting. TED talk and and books about just that. Um her name is Dr. Sandre Dalton Smith. um and her seven types of breast. And it. just makes me think about um about how. important it is to find ways to do that, whatever it may be. Like for example, me. um I don't know, going um in my bedroom. and sticking my feet under the mattress. and putting a sweatshirt over my eyes.

[snorts] But um let's not get specific, but you know what I mean. Um, but uh uh. we I hope that this I hope that this. episode and Good Hang episodes are a way. for you to rest and so rest away and we. will catch you next time. Thanks so much. [laughter]. bye. [applause]. You've been listening to Good Hang. The. executive producers for this show are. Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss [music]. Berman, and me, Amy Polar. The show is.

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