Jon Hamm | Good Hang with Amy Poehler

Hello everyone. Welcome to another. episode of Good Hang. We have our old. dear wonderful friend Jon Hamm joining. us today and we are so excited to have. Hammbones here today. We are going to. talk about so much good stuff. We're. going to talk about auditioning. We're. going to talk about the best position in. baseball. We're going to talk about Bad. Bunny. We're going to talk about what he. thinks Don Draper would be doing now and. we're going to talk about uh season two.

of his hit Apple show Your Friends and. Neighbors. John is just such a. dear. tenderoni underneath all that. Superman muscle and um so we're going to. get into it today, but we're going to. start um our episodes like we always do. by uh talking to somebody who knows John. and uh we've got a great one today. We. have Roger Sterling himself, Jon. Slattery, an incredible actor, a. director, writer, wonderful person who.

is like kind of one of John's chosen. brothers. So let's see what he has to. say. um and get him on Zoom. Hi Slattery. >> [music]. >> This episode is presented by Allstate. Checking Allstate first could save you. hundreds on car insurance. That's smart. Not checking that the fake roast chicken. is in fact a fake roast chicken before. chomping into a wing? Rookie mistake. Yeah, checking first is.

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finished a Mad Men rewatch, by the way. >> Woah. >> Wow. >> How long did that take you? >> A couple months. God, Roger Sterling is. such an incredible character. Such a. complicated. guy that you just cannot help but love. And half the time you're like, "Why do I. love this guy?". >> Although, I mean, not just him, I think. everybody had. despite their. wrong-headedness or whatever,

moment. Like, just when you thought, "Well, this is just somebody who thinks. like this.". They're do something incredibly human or. funny or touching or whatever. I mean, he's you know, that thing you know, those all those characters had that. >> Okay, so did you and Ham know each other. before you worked on Mad Men? >> Uh-uh. >> So, you met when? >> I auditioned for the his part. And they said and I I remember calling I. called my agent back and was like, "Are. you sure this is the part?" cuz. you know, I was beyond that age.

>> [snorts]. >> And they were like, "That's what they. want." So, I did all my homework and. went in and read. And then Matt and. Alan Taylor were there. And then they said, "Okay, so here's the. thing. We already have this guy.". >> Mhm. >> And I said, "Excuse me?" And they said, "Well, your part isn't really visible so. much in the first. episode. So, there wasn't much for you. to read. We didn't think you'd come in.". And I was a little like, and then, you know, and he said, "But I. promise you this will be a great part.". So, then I met him and I was like, "Oh,

shit." You know, well, they certainly do. have that guy. Like, I realized you. know, oh, that's what that guy looks. like, of course. >> Yeah. >> And then, day one, he just sent me a. picture the other night, two nights ago, of the of his TV. somewhere where he was. And and it was. him at the at the desk and me sitting. across with a drink. And I said, and I. could tell from the suit and like my. hair was diff something and I said, is. that day one? And he said, yeah. >> No way. >> Yeah. >> I mean,

what's so satisfying about your. relationship from afar is that the. relationship you had on the show felt. very brotherly. It really felt like big brother, little. brother energy. And if And. is your Is your relationship like that, too? It feels like it. >> I think our relationship is more sort of. equal, like our age doesn't really come. into it so much. Um. and also he's such a competent person. It isn't like I have anything to teach. him. It's often the other way. I was.

thinking about like, well, what would I. ask him? What would I And it was um. who does he look to for. answers? Cuz sometimes I actually think, what would Ham do? Like in a certain situation or whatever. cuz he's just He's a You know, he is. good at most everything he. puts his hand to and. smart and. accompli- All that stuff and you kind of. so. So, our relationship was more just kind. of.

you know, brotherly but not like a. older, younger, like it is in the show. >> What do you think makes John so. competent in your words? Like so good at. so many things. >> You know, you have to be smart. emotionally to be that funny and as you. know, you know, you have to be observant. and you have to listen and you have to. So, all that stuff. goes into being good at very different. things. I mean, he's It makes sense that. he's as good at drama as he is at. comedy.

Because it's it's something that he's. paid attention to. for a long time. I mean, when I was a. kid, I couldn't I would stand in front. of the television. I wouldn't even sit down. I would just. stand there with a clicker and go from. Oscar Madison to Derek Jacobi to, you. know, just get a chunk and then a click. and then go to get another one and see. what I just get a piece of this and a. piece of that when it got slow or. commercial I'd go it off to some other, you know, just like. just a.

you know, a sieve open just just wanting. to I don't know. why. I don't know what it was but I just. like wanting to to. absorb everything. >> Wow, that's such an interesting and true. observation is that when I watch TV I. watched it like what I imagine athletes. do when they watch sports. Where they're watching for. you know, same. I watched performances. unconsciously or subconsciously.

to get an idea of how to do it. >> My mother was a big movie. fan. My dad was too but my mother would. she'd go come in here if you watch this. and I'd have my coat on. on my way out. I was like in high school. or whatever and she'd go you come and. watch you have to watch this and I. Sunset Boulevard or whatever some and I. go like I have to go. She go just 5. minutes just watch and then. an hour and 20 minutes later I'd be. sitting on the couch with my coat on. next to her watching the movie. I said I. watched at her funeral I was like I. watched more movies with my coat on.

because I was she's you know, sucked in. >> Yeah, yeah. Well, um Slattery I love. seeing you. I. I'm. >> You too. >> I hope we get to hang out in some real. way again. We we got to be on a we got. to do a um a couple scenes together once. on a. silly. show called Wet Hot American Summer. in on Netflix we got to. perform together and it was really fun. So I hope we get to do something again. someday soon. >> Me too. You know, I remember being so.

impressed that. the difference between. my own ability to sort of improvise and. yours. which was like, oh that's how that's a. person who knows how to improvise on. story. Like not just. divert. and use some nugget that you have saved. up or something, but like that you could. do stuff. that had to do with the actual action of. the scene. >> [laughter]. >> And I was just sort of you and John. Early. I was watching this thing and I.

was thinking, man, these people are. This is This is This is different. >> Well, when you don't quote remember your. lines, you have to. You have to have a trick. >> Yeah. >> You know. You have to You have to be. like, "Look over there.". >> [laughter]. >> Well, Slattery, love you. Love seeing. you. Give lots of love to Talia, please. Give her my love. >> Will do. >> And thank you so much for this. And I'm. sure Ham will be so happy that we. talked. >> Have fun. Say hi to Ham for me.

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>> [laughter]. >> So do I. >> [snorts]. >> Yeah. >> Two-timers club. >> [laughter]. >> It makes the first one that much more. special. >> It really does. >> But you know what you made me you're. making me think of that I feel like we. should start with immediately is that. you and I started something. >> Yeah. >> Immediately. >> Losers lounge, baby. Welcome to the. First of all, Jon Hamm is here. >> Hi, guys. >> Hi. Oh my god. Okay. First of all, I'm so. deeply, deeply happy to see you. >> Same, buddy. Same.

>> I can't It's been way too long. Haven't. seen you forever. >> Yeah. >> But I've been watching your podcasts as. I do for. all my friends, but you I just love what. you've done with the place and this. It's I remember doing. with Nick Offerman a million years ago. Smart Girls at the Party and I knew then. >> Yes, you did. >> that you had your finger on the pulse of. something very, very special and cool. and I'm glad that this is the further. extension of that because it makes me. very happy for you. >> Thank you for saying that.

God, you've done so many favors for me. Um but you did a you and Nick and a. bunch of people did a. >> I made you have a baby. That's [laughter] like. >> We have so much to talk about. I was. literally not pregnant when the week. started. >> [laughter]. >> That was crazy. >> BY THE END. >> THAT WAS CRAZY. >> HAVING a baby. >> Well, and also, you know what's amazing. about that is that there is a physical. marker of that time. >> I know. And it like we have known each. other now for we're we're getting up on. the. >> 20 years? >> 20 years, which is. >> Which It crazy. It seems impossible.

>> It does. Everything that I think is 10. years now is 20 years. >> Yeah. >> really threw a whole weird thing in. that. >> And the '80s to us are the '80s to our. our kids are what the '20s were to us. >> Yeah, exactly. They were called the. roaring '80s. When everybody wore tuxedos. >> [laughter]. >> But I want to start, Jon Hamm. Um the last time we saw you you were. getting on a hot air balloon on this. podcast. >> Yes. I was I was on a hot air balloon. I.

was on a hot. >> You were on a hot air balloon and you. were shooting on a hot air balloon. >> res. >> And I hope you heard both the Adam Scott. and Paul Rudd episode because we talked. about you a lot. >> [laughter]. >> And. you know, we have talked about you on. this podcast and that like early. grouping of guys. And it does feel very. fun and magical to talk about it. Not. only because everybody was young and. like just beginning, but it is feels. kind of wild that you all met. >> Yeah, it's crazy. It's absolutely crazy.

And through Paul, honestly. Um here's how it started. >> Tell us the how all the Avengers. assembled. >> truly at this point. >> Yeah. >> Um. Paul went to. >> right? >> an Avenger, Ant-Man. >> Okay, that's an Avenger. >> Apparently. >> Yeah. >> And he's avenging what? What is What is. What is he so angry? >> You have a shitty super. >> You turn into ants. >> Yeah. >> Come on. >> Come on, dude. Wrap it up. You did it. Grow up. >> LITERALLY, >> [laughter]. >> ANT-MAN.

>> THE NEXT THE NEXT MOVIE IS grow up. >> Grow up, Ant-Man. >> [laughter]. >> Okay. >> Anyways, um Paul is from Kansas City, Missouri. >> Yeah. >> I am from St. Louis, Missouri. >> Right. >> Paul went to the University of Kansas. My dear friend, Preston Clark, was his. roommate freshman year at the University. of Kansas. Paul would come back with his roommate, Preston, to visit St. Louis for. holidays, long weekends, what what have. you. >> Mhm.

>> Um and we that's when we got to know one. another. I was probably a a senior in. high school and he was a freshman in in. college. >> So that makes sense because there is. this big brother energy that Adam and. Paul have with you. Well, you Well, you. feel like they're big brother. You're. only 2 years. 2 or 3 years older. >> younger. I'm I'm younger than Paul and. older than Adam. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. >> But Rod gives you. >> also doesn't age and. >> has made a deal with the devil. >> There's There's a very terrible painting. somewhere.

that is just really rough. >> gives you a lot of big brother energy in. the way he talks about you. It's. interesting. Why do you think that? >> know. I don't know why. I mean, I think. I've always You probably have had this. experience with me, too. I always. represented older than I am. >> Yeah, I've heard you say that. >> Even when I was like a little kid, I. would not not little kid, but like when. I was a a teenager, they would they're. like, "You're buying the beer.". >> Is it cuz you were. Is it cuz you were tall? >> kind of old." I'm like, [laughter]. "What? Thanks.". >> Is it cuz you were tall? >> Tall, I have a deep voice, I I got a I.

got a beard early, like I was just I. don't know what it was, but it was it. was very much that. >> Yeah. >> I played all the adult roles in college, you know, like the. >> [laughter]. >> high school and college. >> real fun dad roles. >> great. >> [laughter]. >> You know, I've been. like Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf when. I'm like 19. Like. >> You should talk to Paula Pell, who also. talks about she always did the old like. >> Same Same thing. Same energy. There. [laughter] was something there. I don't. know. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I don't I don't know. But. anyway, so that's that's how I met Paul.

That This And we're talking like 1989. >> Right. >> Maybe. >> So you're in Missouri when you know each. other. And you Do you say to each other, "I want to be an actor." "So do I.". >> Paul. uh. decides he wants to be an actor. He. transfers from the uh University of. Kansas to uh. the American Academy of Dramatic Arts in. Pasadena. That's where he meets Adam. >> Right. I see. Adam's a California kid. that gets. >> California kid who came down from Santa. Cruz. Uh Um and then we all then that. this would have been in the early 90s. I. graduated college. I come out here in.

'94, '95, something like that. And we're. all There's this little percolating. group of friends that nobody has a job. >> Well, that's what I'm kind of. >> Except Paul. Paul was already famous. Like he he had gotten. early success with whatever it was. Um. >> Romeo and Juliet, maybe? >> Yeah. >> Clueless Clueless and Romeo and Juliet. kind of were back-to-back. >> But what's fascinating is you, unlike. some other people who like go through a. pipeline before you start working, like, you know, the like a. Juilliard Conservatory or like Second.

City or whatever, you kind of go cold. into LA. Come in, arrive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> That was it. And I had an aunt and uncle. that lived out here, so I had a I had a. a place to to stay. >> Yeah. >> Um and then I move, you know, I found. found an apartment, found a house to. live in out in Silver Lake, which was. very, you know, urban pioneering back. then. Wasn't cool. I mean, it was cool, but it was very out on the edge. >> Yeah. The swing you took to come out. here is very impressive to me because it.

is like Did you grow up knowing any. actors? Did you know anyone that was an actor? >> No. >> And did you when you were in high school. and like like when did you Did you do. plays? Were you like Were you like the. jock that did plays? >> Yeah. My high school was one of those. magical places that you were just. encouraged to do everything. You weren't siloed. If you were a jock, you weren't just that. >> Yeah. >> And it was small, but everybody kind of knew each other. My graduating class was 95 kids.

>> Yeah. >> So I knew everybody in my class. And we. we were kind of all friends. Like you. were friends with the violin kid and you. were friends with the. weird beautiful artist and the kid that. could sing opera somehow at 16, you. know, there was a lot of talented kids. there. And in fact, from my school, Ellie Kemper, >> Yes. >> was one of my students when I went back. to teach. >> So great. >> Heather Goldenhersh, who was Tony. nominated actress, um. Stephanie Sanditz, uh Leslie Stevens,

all these kids that Sarah Clark who was. in my class who was on 24, um who dated Paul Rudd, believe it or. not. >> Right. >> Um. so we had this kind of weird. concentrated energy that was very. creative, but we were encouraged. So it. was. I didn't I didn't know any actors, but I. I thought, well, why not me? >> And they were like, we need a Willy. Loman. We need a. >> [laughter]. >> retired salesman. >> an 18-year-old Willy Loman with the. weight of the world on his shoulders.

[laughter]. I'll do it. >> Do you ever feel though that you like. could have been a Were you ever good in. a sport enough that you had like dreams. like every. >> I thought I was going to be a I thought. cuz also the other half of my growing up. was my best friend John Simmons. His dad. was a professional baseball player. >> Uh. >> So I [snorts] was like so. I didn't know a professional baseball. player. And I was like, man, one of. these days me and me and John Simmons.

we're going to be we're going to play. for the Cardinals together, probably. >> Uh what position did you play? >> a catcher. >> You were a catcher. I always think of. the catchers as the little the little. lucky people. >> No, I was kind of the I was always I was. always this shape. I was always lanky. >> Mhm. >> Um. >> Lanky? >> Yeah, right? I don't wouldn't you say. I'm lanky? Kind of lanky? >> I mean, I don't want to describe your. body back to you, but I wouldn't use. lanky. >> [laughter]. >> I I feel lanky. >> Yeah. >> Am I using that word wrong? I'm.

long-limbed and. >> But I feel you got shoulders. I feel. like you lanky doesn't. >> the weight of the world. >> [laughter]. >> You need it for YOUR BRIEFCASE. >> ALL THE both of the. >> And your. >> sample cases that I Oh god. >> [laughter]. >> Okay, so catcher, which I have to say in. all of I used to play softball and all. the positions I my two favorite. positions were catcher and second base. >> Interesting. >> Catcher because I feel like catcher. catcher's the captain. Yeah, you're in. every play and you're just like you're.

kind of like a coach in a way. >> bit. Tell everyone to go and you're. running the running the room. That's. what I liked about it, too. >> base for almost the opposite reason, which is you're like I I don't I thought. you had it. >> [laughter]. >> Like second base is a little bit like. >> Not not on me. >> HERE. RIGHT HERE. LIKE YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST LIKE. >> I HONESTLY [laughter] in the hierarchy. of who gets to call like a pop up, second base is like the last. >> Yeah, second base is like I wanted to. get it. I just it was over I thought. >> to you. >> But you can chat you can chit-chat on.

second base. >> that short throw. Short throw to first. >> I mean, I didn't have the arm. I never. had the arm, but I had the mouth. I bet. you. >> [laughter]. >> see Okay, so. So So there was a party that's like I'm. going to catch for the Cardinals and. then. >> Yeah. And then I But here's here's what. it really was is that I realized. probably even when I was still in in. high school. I was like, oh, there's. people that are way better than me at. this. Like like way way way better than. me at this. >> Yeah, yeah. >> And so I kind of like I was early.

disabused of that notion. Very very just. I was kind of like. Yeah. And also I realized that. >> [music]. >> and I have a lot of friends now that are. that are professional athletes and. you're like it's a job. >> Yeah, big time. >> Even in the off season you're training. you're training you're training. So you. better love it. >> I know. >> And I was like, I like it. >> Yeah. >> I don't love it. >> I know. And with sports um. when I watch sports or when even when I.

played sports, I was I didn't feel like. I was playing or watching. to like know how to do it for life. >> You were enjoying it. >> Yes. >> It's like a hobby. >> But with television and film I. definitely watched it very intently. >> too. >> Yeah. >> So to to put a point on the end of that. story of like not loving not loving it. enough to want to do it professionally, >> I love what I do now. >> Yeah. >> I mean I really do. >> Yeah. >> And getting to do things like SNL and. getting to produce and develop stuff and. getting to have this kind of length and.

breadth of a career that you can look. back on and go, "Man, I'm I'm pretty. proud of that stuff.". >> Yeah. >> I love that. >> You did Shakespeare in. Do you sha- Do you do Shakespeare in. theater? >> Yeah, in college. Yeah. >> Do you understand Shakespeare? >> [laughter]. >> What's happening there? >> I thought it was pronounced Hamlet. Apparently it's Hamnet. >> Uh yes, I just found out it was Hamnet. >> no, I I I did. I I really loved uh. reading. This is part of when. when I kind of figured out maybe I was.

going to be an actor. >> Mm. >> is that I would read plays as a little I. read like a bananas weirdo when I was a. kid. >> You were a weirdo. >> a single a single mom. >> Yeah. >> and an only child. >> Yes. >> So there was. >> Books. >> That was it. There were no internet. There were no phones. Uh video games were. rudimentary. >> Yeah. >> Uh so it was about reading and we had. tons of books everywhere. And I had a. library card. Um so I would go to the library. I would. check out books. I would check out. comedy records.

>> Yes. >> Those are the two things that I got. >> you check out? Do you remember? >> I mean it was bananas that I was a. seven-year-old boy and I had like. Richard Pryor records. >> Yeah. >> The name of which I will not say out. loud, but you can find out what it's. called. >> Yeah. >> Um. and. but also like Steve Martin, Bob Newhart, George Carlin, like just the stuff that. was whatever was there. >> what were your series What books were. you reading like what kind of series did. you love as a kid? >> I read.

There wasn't really I don't I don't. remember there being like um. a YA, you know, stuff like that. It. wasn't really like. >> I feel like Little House on the Prairie. was for us kind. >> Kind of. >> Yeah. >> Which I didn't really read. It was kind. of for girls. >> it's for girls. >> Um but I read. >> for boys, too. >> It is for everyone. It's a lovely story. >> Alonzo. >> the way, I did I did read I did read. those. Um. I read plays. And it was it was something that I would. I don't know why I was attracted to them. or whatever. I think I was. you said earlier about watching TV and.

like watching it to learn about it. And. that was what I thought that plays were. And I would read them and I would read. them out loud to myself. >> Yeah. >> So, my mom was like, you're. >> [laughter]. >> you're a weird kid. Um but it was I. would that was the. looking back, I think that was the first. time I would think, oh, maybe I want to. do this. for real. >> Um your mom passed away when you were. young, when you were 10. What was she. like? >> She was a a professional secretary.

>> Mhm. >> She was a very accomplished lady. She. was the oldest of six kids. Um. she was. I don't know. She was just she was my. mom, you know. It was like one of those. I loved her. We had an amazing relationship. >> Mhm. >> Um. it's I say this to people all the time. There's never a good time to lose a. parent. It stinks. It just does. I lost my mom when I was 10, my dad when. I was 20. But I have friends that are our age now. that just lost their parents that are.

just as devastated. >> Yeah. >> So, it was um it was brief, but it was. significant. >> Yeah. >> Uh my relationship with her. And and I. still have. probably the closest family member in my. life is my aunt, her younger sister, who. was the cool aunt, cuz she moved out. here to California. >> Yeah. >> And that's who you lived with when you. came out here? >> aunt Sue. >> Yeah. Yeah. Because I mean, it feels. like Hambone's the the um theme of a lot. of your work and the things you do is. like.

like. finding your family, like collecting. them, choosing them, making it like and. you're in a and you're in a business. that does that too. >> Yeah, you kind of you know, it's like. the circus comes to town and you make. new friends and. um you know, being on a show as we both. were for an extended period of time. >> Yeah. >> You definitely you definitely forge. relationships that are that are pretty. solid, you know, and and and don't. really. uh dissipate once the once the circus.

moves on. >> Yeah, I know, if you're lucky. >> If you're lucky. If you're lucky. And. that's the that's the thing you were. talking about I think with the people. part of it is like, you know, you meet. we're all kind of crazy weirdos, you. know, with different talents, but boy, you when you see when certain people. come through your orbit and you're like, man, that that person's amazing at. that. >> Well, you must feel that way about. people too because. I mean, do you ever get this feeling I. get this feeling a lot where like I meet. somebody and I'm like, oh, I you know, we've known each other before in another.

way, right? >> a lot. >> And and I kind am I wrong that Slattery. feels like that for you? >> That's my big brother. If I if I had a. big brother, it would be him. >> Yeah. >> I was uh. I was just watching. I had I have not watched Mad Men back. since uh. >> I just finished and I've been and I I I. think I say sometimes on this podcast. the best thing about knowing other. actors is sometimes you get to text them.

and be like, I'm watching your show. right now. You're so good. And I think I. just did that to you recently because we. rewatched it. >> that must have been the impetus for me. starting it cuz Anna, my wife Anna and I. had hadn't really I hadn't watched it. back. >> Wow. >> time. And um so we're on like episode. five or six now and I and I text. immediately text. >> [laughter]. >> What happens? Don't tell me. Um, I texted Slattery, took a picture of. it and texted Slattery and was just. like, "Remember this day?" It was the. first day we shot and I just remember.

all that stuff and it was wild. It was. very wild. Obviously, that was. 20 years ago? 15 years ago? Um, 20 years ago. >> Well, we um. I don't usually bring this up early in. the in the in the podcast, but I will. now cuz it makes sense. So, you know we. do this thing where we talk well behind. somebody's back before [snorts] and we. talked to Slattery. >> All right. >> and he's the best and and he loves you. and. we talked about just that. About And it. was funny cuz I said, "Do you feel like. a big brother to John?" And he said, in.

a very big brotherly way, he was like, "I feel like we're equals. I feel like I. learn as much from John as he learns. from me. I feel like I'm not teaching. him things. I just feel like we're. Um, but that's also very big brother. thing to say. But anyway, >> Yeah, yeah. And I mean, part of it was, you know, it's funny for me, too, because I. remember the first couple. episodes or the first season of shooting. the show and his son, Harry, was six as. was Kiernan, who played my daughter on. the show, Sally. And now they're 26. >> Yeah. >> This lightning in a bottle thing that.

just all of a sudden happens. I point to. Mad Men and and think like, I worked. very hard to get in that room. >> Well, I think a lot of people know this. You worked hard and you grind you were. really grinding. >> For sure. >> Like you were you were you were working. probably for 10 years in different in a. lot of different things and thinking. >> 10, but but a but a solid six or seven. years as as a working. >> Yeah. >> [clears throat]. >> on stuff that nobody watched. >> Mhm. >> Um. just stuff. >> close to stuff where you were. >> Everything. I was I was the other guy.

>> Oh. >> in everything. And in fact, the year I I. got Mad Men, I had I had tested, when we. used to do that, seven times. I'd gone. to the network, the last step before you. get hired, seven times over. >> different projects? >> Seven different projects. 047. >> What do you do you remember what some of. them were? >> I don't. I really don't. >> sitcoms and. >> Stuff, you know. >> That, you know, and then and in the old. days.

now it just feels like everything gets. gets produced. >> Mhm. >> The old days it was like they'd do a. pilot, they'd test it, they'd see if it. worked. Maybe you'd get fired, which I. did on several occasions. Um. and and it's so it's such a. bananas way to do it, but that was the. that was how it was. >> And the Mad Men audition process you've. talked about many times, but it was. arduous. >> Arduous. It started I started at the. very very bottom. The first. audition was a pre-read, just reading.

with the casting directors. They didn't. know my work. Not that they would. And it was in Santa Monica, and I lived. in Silver Lake. >> Mhm. >> So it was like an hour and a half to get. across town in the rain on a Friday. And. I met them, and there was another kid. sitting. in the waiting room. And he was like it's like a 16. 17-year-old kid. And I was like, "Am I. in the right place?" Like, what's going. He goes, "Are you here for the. toothpaste ad?" I go, "What?" [sighs and gasps]. Uh no. Then it was like, "What what toothpaste. ad?".

>> [laughter]. >> They're looking for somebody who's. >> [laughter]. >> And it was literally they were casting a. the other room was a casting a. commercial, and and this was They were. like, "No, no, no, we're in here. Hi, sorry, sorry." And I was like, "Hi, nice. to meet you.". >> Wow. >> day was another one of those. Few days later was then more and more. people are in the waiting room. Then you. start to see people that have signed up. You're like, "I recognize that guy's name. He was on. Sports Night. He'll probably get it.".

>> Yeah. >> Um and it was that that that that that. >> Mhm. >> six seven eight times. And then they. finally I got to New York. They flew me. to New York. on somebody's miles. >> Wow. >> And uh. >> When you went in for that last one, did you. >> The last one was was was meet the. executives and Matthew Weiner to his. great credit, he goes I go do I have. this job? Like what's happening? You're. flying me to New York. >> Yeah. >> He goes I'm going to walk you around the. production office and I'm going to. introduce you as Don Draper and you're. going to act like you have a job.

>> Oh god, that's giving me anxiety. >> okay. >> And he's like, hey we this is our Don, you know, it's John. Say hi to the. the costume designer and the hair and. makeup and we're going to do this and. he's walking me around this whole thing. and I'm like I've not heard officially. from anybody anything. >> Oh my god. >> we go to to meet the executives from AMC. who are these four very young. executives. >> Yeah, AMC was a young company. >> Brand new, brand new, hadn't done. anything. We go and we have drinks and. we're having a drink and I'm with Matt.

and Scott Hornbacher the two producers. and and and the three executives and. kind of holding my drink and I'm like. what what are we what is this? What are. we doing? Is this a. this is if this is a prank. This is the most elaborate, meanest. >> Yeah. >> prank. >> Yeah. >> And so we're having drinks and they're. like here's to the show and I'm like. yeah, here's to the show. >> [laughter]. >> And I drink the drink and we go and and. and and. and I'm like. we get it into the elevator. They still. haven't said anything and and and the. lady who's in charge finally turns to me.

and goes you know you got the job, right? I go. >> Oh my god. >> No, I didn't. This would have been way more fun. earlier when we were having drinks to. toast and do and I said no, we didn't. And and so we go down the elevator and. the elevator doors open up and there's a. million paparazzi in in the in the in. the lobby of the Maritime Hotel. And I'm like oh my god, like wow, that's. that was fast. Like holy. But they're all speaking German. I'm not making [snorts] this up. Uh in the elevator with me was a very.

famous German football player named uh. Franz Beckenbauer. Uh one of the like lions of the German. Bundesliga, what have you. And I was like, "Oh, it's there for him. Never mind.". >> [laughter]. >> YOU'RE LIKE, "SKIP THE LINE.". >> GUYS, GUYS. >> GUYS, I'M NOT GIVING INTERVIEWS YET. >> Not yet. >> Let me get TO THE PART. >> [laughter]. >> OH, in German? It's Yeah, that's him. >> Okay, just a few Mad Men questions. I. know, you know, it the show is. I just. John, >> I I Listen.

>> you that writing, that show, that show. is. Hall of Fame. >> Thank you. >> And Hall of Fame performance. >> I think it's a it's a great show. I was. I was I was. pleasantly surprised watching it back to. to not be mortified. >> I'm so happy to hear that cuz it is just. pristine and your performance is so. good, so measured, so controlled, and it. like all the characters in the show. starts to unravel in the perfect way. >> pay off. That's what's really I think.

really nice about the show is that as it. as it does unravel, it kind of is a. satisfying payoff for for kind of. everybody, honestly. >> Thematically, this idea that like. the character of Don Draper is being. presented in this way, which we like. project all this stuff on him, just like. we would any ad, any version of like a. person, and then we realize he is a. person, like we all are, like but. >> Heavily flawed. >> Heavily flawed, but yet what I love. about the show is people change, but not.

a lot. So, there's never like. >> Matt Matt Matt has said, and I think. it's a great way to describe it. He. said, "I want. people to realize that the the. characters are. are going to be just a little bit better. at the end. Just a little bit.". >> Yeah. >> You know, just a little change. And and. Don, my god, you know, the the whole arc of. the final season is him sort of. shedding everything, his family, his. job, his stuff, his And he ends up on.

the end of the continent. >> Yeah. >> The very end of the continent and that's. kind of when he realizes like, oh wait, I'm really good at this job. I should. probably just go back and do the job. that I'm really good at. >> And my question to you is, having. rewatched, and I don't know if you. remember, but at the end. your. uh. you Don lets everything go. Can you just tell me about the scene in. the group. the group therapy scene where that. wonderful. a day player sorry, I don't know his. name, actor.

breaks down because he feels invisible. Can you tell me about that day? And reading that because that's a big. scene to do at the end of seven seasons. with someone who's not you don't know. >> I don't I don't That was the whole last. half of that season for me. >> Right. >> away from everybody that I had spent. >> That's right. >> 90 other episodes with. >> That's right. That's right. >> Slattery and I did our last scene. It's kind of a. it's kind of a weird little nothing.

scene. It was just us in a bar talking. about something and I said, you know, this is our last scene together. >> Mhm. >> And he goes, what? >> [laughter]. >> Cuz it was like three episodes before we. were done. He's like, no, it isn't. I. go, >> Wow. >> He goes, no. I go, yeah. And it was it's kind of great that it's. just that that moment. It's just that's. what it is and then you don't see that. guy. >> Oof. >> So there was a lot of that stuff for me. and and a lot of a lot of it was. tremendously difficult.

>> Yeah. >> Cuz I was handling a lot of personal. mishigas in my life, a lot of craziness. and just being on a show for that long. is a lot. >> And saying goodbye to it. >> Saying goodbye to it, it's a grief. It's. a grieving process. You know it very. well. Um so that particular scene and we. were we we shot out of order. That. wasn't the last thing we shot, obviously, but we we were on location. We were up in Big Sur. So. >> we were even physically separated from. uh.

most the stages, all the stuff. Um our trailers, I was living in a. hotel. Like it was it was So, it was. like 4 or 5 days in a row. up there. And it was heavy. It was super heavy. work. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um. you I very much felt the weight of the. end of the show. >> Yeah. >> and the responsibility of like. don't this up. You can anything else up, but you. cannot this up.

This is the end of a very, very, very. long story. And if you the bed on this, it's. not going to. that will be what you are known for. Um. but I do remember that thinking that. this kid is killing it. He was. wonderful. And um everyone in the There. were a lot of like writers interspersed. in the. >> that have never watched Mad Men, don't. listen to this part. >> [laughter]. >> But it is there is a moment not to give. too much away for people that haven't. seen it, but I mean it has been 20. years, but the where. >> We're past the spoiler part, yeah. >> is.

like gone basically to like an Esalen. like like retreat and to basically like. to your point, he's lost everything. And. he's in what is. an early version of group therapy. And. the closest he's ever had to actually. really truly sitting in his feelings. And a man. another man who he doesn't know is. expressing this thing that Don. understands really well. >> Deep dissatisfaction, deep un un.

um. What's the right word? >> Unworthiness. Basically not being seen. >> invisibility. >> Invisibility. >> you said earlier. That whole kind of. thing. And it's like a refrigerator and. the all this it's like it's a beautiful. piece of writing. Um and it's it's incredibly emotional. moment not only for this man, but for. Don. And there's a there's a connection. that they have. And. >> Okay, well, I want to slow it down. because. you know, I like to. talk to the TV. >> [laughter]. >> By the way, I did not know that, but I I.

can imagine that. >> I'm an old lady. >> I can imagine that. >> I also am an old person in an young. younger person's body. But, I paused in this moment and I was. just like, this is Jon Hamm like I was. like this is like the. the moment when you approach and hug. that man. >> is such good acting. It's you're it's like Jon. It's so so. good. You You did stick the landing. You. nailed it.

>> felt very very good about what I did on. that show. >> And it was like it was like masculinity. which a lot of the show is about and we. are all like look like Jon Draper, Jon. Hamm, Amy Poehler. We're all like living. in a patriarchal world and trying to. figure it out and suffering in different. ways. That moment when like two strangers, men. of that generation are hugging it is so. moving. >> Well, and it's. because you don't really Don gets there.

on under such duress and it's such a. strange journey that he ends up there. and he's he's lost his connection with. his his job, his his family, his his. everything. It's really the Siddhartha. kind of moment of just shed everything. and to to discover who you really are. and there's a moment and of course. the the opening sequence of the show is. this man falling out of a building and. everyone's like, this is where he does. it. He's going to jump off the cliff. He's going to kill himself. This is the. end of the show. He's going to die.

>> Right. >> And it's. it could have gone that way. I think there's a version of this story. where Don doesn't get it. and doesn't allow himself to understand. it and is so overcome with. his emotion and his feeling uh, inadequacy and failure and what he's. what he has failed at. >> as a as a husband, as a friend, as a. father, as a fill in the blank. That he does do that. >> Yeah. >> But, he doesn't. >> Yeah. >> He kind of takes it in,

takes the moment, feels the feelings for real, and has the moment of clarity where he. goes like, you know, and it's. beautifully rendered with Coke the Coke. ad and iconic kind of moment of this and. he's like, this is who I am. I'm an ad. man. >> So, he goes, you think he goes back? >> Yeah. >> And. where what do you think happens for the. rest of his life? Like how what is the. what is the last act of Don's life? What do you think it is? >> LUNG CANCER.

>> [laughter]. >> UM. >> YES. >> I MEAN, FOR SURE. >> [laughter]. >> Uh. I I think he goes back. He is a. successful advertising executive and I. think he finds happiness and peace. I. think he connects with his children. >> Yes. >> Um, as we know, Betty passes away. >> Yeah. You you and January. >> [snorts]. >> You and January, you and Lizzie, you and. Slattery, you and Christina.

>> incredibly lucky. My one of my favorite. scenes in the whole show is the the the. scene between I can't remember, I think. it's season 5, season 4, where we see Don and Joan kind of going. out on a night on the town. >> It it's incredible. I mean, Don and Joan. never had enough scenes together as far. as I was concerned. >> what kind of made it great was that. there was like two or three. >> Everyone in that show is just pitch. perfect. And and you brought up the. smoking. What did you have to smoke? >> They were like those fake herbal. cigarettes. >> [sighs]. >> But, I think somebody did somebody. watched the pilot.

just to watch how many cigarettes I. smoked. And I think it was something. like 80. >> [laughter]. >> in a 1-hour pilot. >> [applause]. >> So, uh Parks and Recreation and Mad Men. were on at the same time. >> We were We were fellow travelers. >> travelers, and we shared um. uh you and I shared two things. We. shared a production designer in Dan. Bishop, who did your show and did We.

used to brag like, "Oh, the bullpen of. um. you know, the offices of Parks and Rec. were designed by the same guy that did. Mad Men." People were like, "Cool." Um. we. >> tell. >> [laughter]. >> That was a big brag. We were like. um and he's a genius. He's a genius. And um. the other thing is that you and I were. at award shows many, many times. >> on the losing end. >> on the losing end. And so, uh I got to. get to Slattery's question. Sorry, I'm. all over the place, but I got to get. Slattery's question. But before that,

let's talk about Losers Lounge, which. you mentioned at the very beginning. What was it? >> The Losers Lounge was a thing that we. decided to do after being fed up with. losing. >> Yeah. >> Like, let's take Let's turn this frown. upside down. >> Yeah. >> Let's not live in the. >> We're not losers. We're winners. >> We're winners. [laughter]. >> Only losers lose. >> Only losers lose, and we are not losers. >> No way. >> So, we decided that And I I still think. this is a great idea. I think we should. have patented it, and I think it should. have been permanent.

>> Yeah. >> That because also, any awards night, there's way more people that lost than. won. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, we decided that there should be a. celebratory place for the losers to hang. out, the Losers Lounge. And if you wanted to come and you were a. winner, and you had a statue in your. hand, you had to pay. >> Yeah. You had to pay up. >> to pay up. >> To charity. >> To charity. It was all a charity thing. It was a lovely charity. Worldwide. Orphans, I believe it was. >> That's right. >> Um and the rest of us could get in and. have a good time for free, and it was a. fun party.

>> We So, we threw a party a couple years. in a row. >> something like that. We had a We had a. We had a dance off. We had a pants off. dance off. We had a dance off. We had a. pants off dance off. >> And everybody wanted to get in. And the. highlight for me was, I think I told you. this story, the highlight for me at the. Emmys was the great, my hero, idol, Frances McDormand. One for I believe it. was, maybe Olive Kitteridge or. one of the many incredible things she's. done. She won and as she was walking up. the aisle with her Emmy, she turned me. and she goes, "Does this mean I can't go.

to the losers lounge?". >> And you said, "Yeah.". >> And I was like, "Yeah, you're going to have to pay.". And I was like. >> did. >> She did. She came and paid. >> and paid. >> Um that time of like being at those. places together and losing was so fun. because of course who cares. And also. the everyone's work was so great. Everyone was such a fan of everybody's. work. >> doing great stuff cuz Tina was on 30. Rock at the time. You were doing Parks.

I was doing Mad Men. We had that one. crazy fun night. >> I broke my toe. >> Where you broke your toe. >> [laughter]. >> Uh-oh. >> And we were like you and me and Tina and. Claire Danes and we were all like. dancing like insane people. Like it was. the last night on Earth. >> Yeah, and I was I had just had my. >> Tina had to get on a plane the next day. and it was like describes like getting. on a plane and like looking at the floor. and there's like a pile of hair. >> [laughter]. >> She was like, "What what what happened?". >> going to beat that.

I had just had my second child. >> I know. >> And I flew in for the weekend cuz I was. Well, yeah, it must I forget I was in. New York and I flew Yeah, I flew to. California for the thing. I broke my toe. on the banquet dancing. I'm a mother of. two. >> [laughter]. >> I can't I have two very young children. I can't walk in the airport. I'm like I. wake up the next morning and I'm like, "I can't walk.". >> Oh boy. >> I have to get on a plane. I mean, I. I put like a hat on and sunglasses and.

like tape my toe and like. try to walk to the And I'm like, I can't. get a. wheelchair. This is like too much. So, I'm like walking, and I hear Amy, and I. look and it's Bradley Cooper. >> [laughter]. >> The lovely Bradley goes, "Amy?" And I'm. like, "Hey." And I look at my hair and. I'm like, and he's like. >> No, IT'S NOT AMY. >> [laughter]. >> HE COMES OVER, AND I'M LIKE, "HEY, BRADLEY." He's like, "Are you okay?" And. I'm like. >> No. >> No. >> I am not. >> very bad. [laughter] I'm very, very bad. >> okay. >> And so, he has to hold me like an old. like talk about old lady, like hold my.

elbow while I shuffle in. I got a little. escort. >> That's nice. >> a I got an A-lister escort. >> Wow. >> That was a fun night. >> Amy? >> [laughter]. >> The last thing you want The last word. you wanted to hear. >> Oh, but but worth it. >> Worth it? >> Worth it. Worth it. >> never forget that night. Lauren was. Lauren was. there and and moving and grooving. We. had a time. >> dance. >> We had a time. >> Okay, let's talk about you hosting SNL. though. I mean, you're Are you a.

five-timer? >> Four. I just had my fourth. I I took I. did three in two years. >> Mhm. >> Took a 15-year hiatus. [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> And and came back this last uh this last. year. It's been said, and I think I've. been listening to the Seth's thing with. Andy and the boys at the Lonely Island. >> Oh, you were on it, too, I think, right? Yeah. >> was an amazing Your time there was an. amazing time. They're Every They're all. great. You you you can't You literally can't. stack them up against another cuz.

they're all different, and they're all. great. But, it was so fun to be there. with you, >> [sighs and snorts]. >> with Maya, >> Mhm. >> Bill, Fred, Will, >> Kristen, >> Yeah. >> I mean, Seth, those guys you guys were. I felt like we were just Talk about. speaking the same language. It was like. I felt so comfortable. >> Mhm. >> there, >> Mhm. >> which was. you know, part of part of it was you're. a guest in somebody's home.

>> Mhm. >> So, you don't want to be too. comfortable. >> Mhm. >> Where you're kind of being shitty. >> Mhm. >> Um. >> Mhm. >> but I really did feel welcomed there. I. mean, cuz first of all, I'm sure you've. told this story, but. pitch on Monday, my first time hosting, you guys all roll in in costume. >> Oh, that's right. Let's tell that story. So, >> Mad Men costume. >> We all decided to dress up as the people. from. >> [laughter]. >> for pitch. >> 60s gear for pitch Monday night, which. is.

35 people in a room, maybe a little bit. bigger than this. >> Yeah. >> So, sitting on the floor, on the sofa, everything everyone is in 1960s period. gear. >> Yeah. >> Hater was in drag. >> Oh, yeah. >> Lutz was in drag as Joan. >> Lutz was Joan. [laughter] John Lutz, the. writer. >> Paula Pell. >> Yes. >> had a cigarette taped to her finger. >> [laughter]. >> because she didn't know how to smoke. So, she's like, I'll just tape it in. there. She and she would [clears throat]. pitch like this. >> [laughter]. >> I and I was I didn't know this wasn't.

normal. >> Right. >> I was like, this is okay. I was like, well, they really really. do [laughter] it on Mondays. I thought. it was a whole thing. Okay, well, nice. This is so fun. And that was the beginning of a. wonderful relationship, not only with. that show, but with so many of you guys, um. sitting around that whole week, shooting with Jim Signorelli. You're 95. months pregnant. >> Yeah, and we've told this story a. million million times, but the fast. version is. Friday. I was supposed to do the show on.

Saturday and then give birth on. Saturday. >> And there was no doubt in your mind that. you were not having this baby before. You were like, I'm going to be fine. >> women listening, it's, you know, your. first kid, you assume you're going to be. at at least a few days late. I was. weirdly feeling good. I was told, you're not going to be. giving birth on before your due date. No. way. Go finish your last show. >> Kill it on Saturday. Put your feet up. >> Yeah, my first lesson in mothering, which was like, Nope, nothing goes away you think it's.

going to go. And I really did think I would do the. show on Saturday and then. give birth on Sunday. And Friday night, we were shooting. Friday night. And um we were doing like a pre-tape and. I got a call from my OBGYN. >> Office of your OBGYN. >> OBGYN's office, my beloved OBGYN passed. away that night. And so, you know, for people who don't know, you. get really connected to your doctor and. you kind of think about your birth plan. and you think about how it's going to go. and all of a sudden, you know, you.

realize Well, you realize two things. One is that a lot of people can deliver. a baby. >> Yep. >> And two, um. >> Seth had one in the lobby. >> That's right. Seth Seth had his in the. lobby. That's right. But he didn't have. it. >> No, he didn't have it. >> [laughter]. >> Very true. >> He didn't have it. >> No, he didn't. >> He wore the same jeans that day that he. wore the next day. >> Um no, but um. >> Yeah, a lot of people can do this. >> And I. got the news that my OBGYN died, I started to cry.

>> I mean, heavy sobbing. >> Right, which is horrifying. A giant. pregnant woman crying, it's not it's. really scary. And Ham leaned in and said, >> I know this is. hard for you, really really sad, but. this is a big deal for me. >> [laughter]. >> So, you better. you better pull your together. And that's the face she made. immediately, which I was like, talk. about in a world of big swings, that's a big one. >> That to me is and I've written about it. >> That's why you had the baby. That's.

something happened because you laughed. that hard. >> so. I think a big hard laugh. >> Ooh. I was I was like, please let this. go. Please [laughter] let this go well. >> And to me, the crying to laughing. switcheroo, that's like And get about. we get a few in our life where we're. really really deeply sad and then. someone says something to make us laugh. and that. those two against each other feels like. I I think it extends your life. >> Friday night was like cuz everybody's so. punchy by then. >> Mhm.

>> It was and I was I wouldn't you couldn't. drag me out that studio. I was having. the greatest time. >> Yeah. I mean it it now it brings me to. Slattery's question which is. which is I thought was just a such a. sweet question which is and kind of back. to what we were talking about about this. idea of like finding community and. family in places all different kinds of. places but. he was his question to you his question. was like. who do you look for for answers when. you're feeling. frazzled or lost cuz I was saying you.

have a big brother of you have a big. brother vibe with a lot of people. He. feels like a big brother to you but he. was saying I feel like I I I think a lot. about like what would John do here like. he takes a lot of counsel from you. Who. do you look where where do you go where. do you look for that? >> really good question. I I I don't have a. I don't think I have a I have a go-to. honestly. I've been. on my own. >> Mhm. >> in one way or another for a very long. time. >> Mhm.

>> So I I'm I'm very self-dependent. >> Mhm. >> I think part of my therapeutic journey. has been sometimes to a fault where I. won't reach out. I'll just. I got it. >> Yeah. >> I'm learning to get better at that for. sure. But people. uh. like Lauren for sure. Lauren I've definitely reached out to. when I've had. instability in my life. >> Mhm. >> And you know. part of the magic of that man is that it.

he's so inscrutable. and so Canadian. >> Mhm. >> uh that it's a koan in some way. You. know, you get some kind of weird thing. where you're like. >> say koan? >> Yeah, like a Zen koan. You know what. that is? It's like a saying that, you know, >> How do you spell that? >> k o a n. >> I don't know that word. Sorry. koan. >> I'll be interested cuz I don't I don't. have a great definition of it. >> Yes, a paradoxical anecdote, question, or dialogue. >> Yeah.

>> Well done. Okay, continue. >> So so he he'll say well, you know, eventually you'll just be on the t-shirt. and you're like, [laughter] what? >> You know, it's that thing where you let. go and suddenly you're finding yourself. on Mulholland. >> And then maybe Mick will come by and. you'll say go great. >> [laughter]. >> Um everybody does it that it's so great. But but I. people like that. I I find that I. very much enjoy.

talking to my elders. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Uh I was. not to be super name droppy, but last. night had an amazing dinner at the. Bruckheimer's house. Do you know Jerry. Bruckheimer who produced [clears throat]. Top Gun? I think he worked for Jerry. >> They have? Have you? Uh not that to my. knowledge. >> What's the the squeakquels? No? They. were. >> Oh, he was um yeah, Jerry I never met. Jerry in the booth when I was Eleanor in. the squeakquel. >> Um fair enough. >> But Jerry, thanks for the job. >> Hey hey. >> Didn't know didn't didn't know that you. were the person that hired me.

>> [clears throat]. >> Thank you for the job. >> Thank you for the job. >> Sorry that I dressed up as Eleanor when. I came in for the audition. >> [laughter]. >> You've been in some monster hits. Bridesmaids, >> Bridesmaids, >> The Town. Bridesmaids, you're so funny. in it. What a funny What a fun. incredible movie. >> That. Yeah. I mean, some fun movies for sure. >> fun movies. >> I I love. >> How did you How did you learn how to do. a. Boston accent? How did you. >> I don't know, like anybody. Just. >> Not like anybody. People can't do it. really well. >> Well, I mean, I I famously did it in The. Town, but I was making fun of Ben. That.

was the That was part of why it was easy. for me and my guy wasn't supposed to be. from Boston. When I met all those FBI. guys, none of. >> None of them the Boston PD guys are from. Boston. The BPD, the local guys. >> Well, even the way you're saying Boston. is the correct way to say it. >> Well, I. you trust me, we were immersed in. Boston. >> Oh yeah, you do a movie in Boston, everybody's in the movie. >> Yes, indeed. >> Your cousin, your uncle, everybody, your. friends. And talk about. >> making a movie about Charlestown,

>> Mhm. >> holy moly. >> Yeah. >> Talk about the guys coming out of the. wood I you've been told me you we were. going to go to uh. you were going to get you're going to. cast uh. >> Yeah. >> Tommy and uh and the other guy. >> Yeah. >> So so we're here. >> [laughter]. >> we're here. you're we're here. Where's the paycheck? >> Yeah. >> And where's craft service? >> Yeah. >> And you're like nobody said nobody said. you could be. yeah they said we're in the job. [laughter] Don't worry yeah yeah. You're like okay. We had guys that would. show up and then we're like oh but I. can't shoot here I'm on parole. Like it's too close to a bank.

>> [laughter]. >> You're like. >> You can't be near a bank. >> Sorry. >> [laughter]. >> Oh man, there were some characters and. it was a blast. It was a blast. >> And what about um 30 Rock? Working. there? Let's. Tina Fey. >> The show or the. >> Tina Fey discuss. >> Tina. I credit Tina along with Lorne for. allowing me to be in comedies. >> Mhm. >> Nobody. thought it's not like when you do Mad. Men they're like I bet that guy's real.

funny. >> [laughter]. >> He's probably got a bunch of impressions. and bits and jokes. >> [laughter]. >> True, you're very serious in Mad Men. >> I mean. yes. So. when Lorne asked me to host the show, I was like oh my god that's the only. thing I've ever wanted to do since I was. since ever was be on Saturday Night. Live. So I I was very excited and then as we. discussed, you guys.

very welcoming, here we are, Everyone's. in costume. It's very funny. >> [sighs and snorts]. >> The you know, read through that week is. a packet of 50. I think you were right. next to me. I can't remember where you. sat. So so fun. And. then uh I I remember I think it was. after read through or maybe it was on. Thursday. But I was going down to the to to eight. to do blocking something. And the phone in my in the dressing room. rings. Jesus, that's weird. It's like when a.

hotel phone rings. You're like, "Who's. calling me? Who's calling the room? This. is very weird.". >> [laughter]. >> And I picked it up. I was like, "Hello. hello.". Uh is this John? I go, "Yeah oh yeah. Hi. It's Robert Carlock. We just want to. know if you wanted to come do this thing. on 30 Rock uh. we're it's kind of love interest for for. Liz and we're. I was like, "Huh?". Like the other thing that I wanted to be. on is that. >> [snorts]. >> And Tina, unbeknownst to me, had called. Lauren after read through and says, "Is.

this guy funny? How is this guy?". As Tina is want to do, like give me the. the the straight dope. And Lauren, yeah you. >> I mean and it's like when you're in that. space. >> you'll like him. We were on parallel. tracks. Like we shot our pilots in the. same studio. >> Mhm. >> At at Silvercup. >> Right. >> Um so we kind of we were and and they. were they were winning for comedy and we. were winning for drama. And it was like. Mad Men, 30 Rock, Mad Men, 30 Rock. It. was great. >> Well, you were winning, but they were. winning. >> the show. Yeah, I [snorts] didn't get my.

Oscar. Yeah, loser sign this. Thank you. >> Tina's love language is. writing incredible material that you get. to do. Like that's like how she like. it's like it's the nicest gift is that. she gives you pages. >> got a text from Tina. that was the beginning of my character. arc on the show. where I played a perfectly normal human. being. >> [laughter]. >> Now, cut to season whatever where I have. two hooks for hands. and I'm falling.

fall and the reason I have hooks for. hands is because I thought I recognized. my old football coach when I was getting. out of a helicopter and I waved. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> TWICE. >> [laughter]. >> SO SHE WAS LIKE REMEMBER WHEN THIS GUY. was a normal person? >> Well we it didn't last long. >> Um okay and then the last thing Ham I. want to ask you about cuz I love it is I. loved you at the Super Bowl enjoying Bad.

Bunny and I love. People Bad Bunny came at a time where. for a lot of people it was like we were. we're you know we're looking for. something anything. >> any expression of joy would be helpful. >> Any exactly any artistic expression of. joy. I know you are a huge fan of his you. went it like what was it like watching. that and tell me why you love him. >> why. My wife Anna who I met on the last.

episode of of Mad Men. >> Okay can you tell everybody who she. played in the last episode of Mad Men? >> the receptionist of the SCL and like. place the girl with the pigtails. >> incredible. >> who then gets put in the Coca-Cola. commercial. >> Yes. >> So this woman clearly has an effect on. Don and clearly had an effect on John. Um we ended up getting married at the. same place same location. >> No. >> Yes ma'am. >> They better giving you that for free. >> We worked out a nice. >> [laughter]. >> incredible. >> It was a beautiful magical experience.

and lovely. Um. so. Anna had gone. to Colombia with her sister and her best. friend on a girls trip. and they would go to the dance clubs at. night and after dinner whatever and. shake their butts and have a good time. and they were like this there's this. this guy they keep playing Bad Bunny. No one had heard of him it's is 2018. He. wasn't even played on the reggaeton. stations in in in LA or in New York. No. one had heard of him. And we had started to kind of see each.

other a little bit here and there. And. then we go out in New York City and they. play me this album. Who is this? Our text thread is called Bad Bunny's. That was just our first and I I was. like, I dig this guy's. energy, sound, whatever. So, over the. course of. our relationship, this is the soundtrack. to our relationship, really. >> Oh, that's so nice. >> So, it's and it's and it's just organic. It wasn't you know. So, we had heard. about. he had hosted the show where he was a.

guest on the show on SNL. Got it got to go to that. >> Mhm. >> We found out he was doing this residency. in Puerto Rico. I was like, and to. Anna's great credit, she's always like, what if we. did that? And it was a blast. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That was the first time I went viral. uh was was in the casita. >> dancing. >> dancing. Just dancing. It was fun, man. >> He's fun. >> He's fun. We had a dance party at at at. Smart Girls. >> Me, too. And so, there's as you said,

the world was was a little. >> is. >> is. a little a of a bummer. >> a lot of a bummer. >> of a bummer. >> Yeah. >> But boy, man, for 15 minutes of that. halftime show, >> Yeah. >> And what a message. And what a and and. not for nothing, you forget that he had to perform that. >> No kidding. I I I mean, I even saw. >> always singing along to a track or. whatever. Like, no, no, no. He was. jumping off a roof, climbing up a pole,

spiking a football. You're like, >> doing a trust fall. >> fall. >> like a real one, not a fake one. up in the air it's so much. >> 10 out of 10, no notes, perfectly. executed. >> Mhm. >> Then you go and you listen to the words. >> Mhm. >> and you're like, "Oh man, [clears throat]. that's a nice sentiment as well.". >> Yeah. >> Maybe if we look back in 5 years, this is the tipping point. >> Mhm. >> And if it is, what a kick-ass.

thing to do. >> Yeah. >> Remind everybody that. maybe together is a little better than. siloed and apart and. >> Yeah. >> uh and that joy is. kind of great. >> And that. there's. a million ways to be an American and. that music is like like that when music. does that, >> Yeah. >> I feel like and I I mean I know you feel. this way about music, too. Like there's. something about music that can shortcut. >> Yeah. >> in a way.

>> language. I always say it always because. you you it doesn't matter what kind, it. doesn't matter what it is. It can be aggressive, it can be. soothing, it can be all of the things, but man, when it hits the right buttons, >> Yeah. >> feels good. >> Juan Hamón. >> Juancito Jamoncito. >> Juancito Jamoncito? >> The little Johnny Hammy. >> [laughter]. >> Do you speak Spanish? >> I do speak Spanish, pretty well. >> You do? >> I do, pretty well. >> I I've How did you learn it? >> I learned it in high school and then I. worked in a million restaurants in Los. Angeles. >> Yeah. >> And then you get really good at.

>> Do you have a an accent? Like a Is it Do. you have a. >> Puedo hablar en español. un poquito más que los otras lenguas que. uh. eh aprendeba eh muchos años de pasado, pero no. Sí. >> Sí. >> [laughter]. >> And the last question I have for you is. um what are you laughing at these days? What are you watching that's making you. laugh? And it can be doesn't have to be. something new. >> that that really made me laugh that I.

think you would really like? >> Yeah. >> It's a show out of Canada CALLED HEATED. REVANOL. >> [laughter]. >> NO, IT'S NOT THAT. That's a bit. >> That's called a bit. >> Um. It's but it does have to do It is. Canadian and does have to do with. hockey. It's a show called Shoresy. >> Oh, I love Shoresy. >> That is making me laugh. And you know. what it's also making me do? Cry. >> It's making Okay. >> She's a really It's a great show. >> Okay, I've only watched clips of Shoresy.

cuz you know, I. I I I've seen him on. >> six episodes a season. >> Oh, really? Oh, I love that. >> watch all of them in a half a day. >> And him Okay, let's watch it. >> Keeso. >> Okay, tell me more. >> uh was on a show created a show called. Letterkenny. >> Yes. >> Which is a very, very Canadian show. >> Yes. >> Uh. but very specifically funny. Maybe not. to everyone's taste. As as as as things. should be. >> Yeah, comedy is very subjective. >> Subjective. And the reason he did this.

was because he. came to LA and they were like, "You're. too Canadian. You're too this. You're. too that." And he was like, "Fuck it. I'm going to go back home and I'm going. to make a. I'm going to make my own show.". >> Mhm. >> Um and he did. And then he spun it off. into this thing Shoresy. And it's. Shoresy's about this. um. kind of local hero legend. He plays on. the local men's hockey team. >> Mhm. >> And it's kind of the point of pride for. the small town in northern Ontario that. they live called Sudbury. And the over the course of the of the.

series they they win the championship. Then he becomes a coach and he tries to. teach the kids. And it's. it's a tremendous show because it. it highlights most of the uh people in. in power that are running things are. women. >> Mhm. >> Many of them are First Nations, uh. indigenous Canadians. And it's not made a big deal of. It just. is. >> Yeah. >> And his. relationship to all of that while being. this. >> Yeah.

>> bruiser is very soft. >> Yes. Yes. I mean, I've seen. >> this real high-pitched voice and it's. really kind of funny and he always. interrupts people with a huh? >> They're always interrupting. They're always and their overlapping. dialogue is really funny. >> It's a tremendously ambitious show that. delivers. So, I would I'm trying to. pump their tires a little bit. >> I want to find all the scenes where he's. um hitting on. uh. >> Oh, when he hits on on the girl who he. who he really loves. It's so I'll make. you feel. >> Shirley and Laura.

>> you so happy. >> Okay, that's the stuff that I see and. it's so funny. It's such a funny movie. >> It's also like it's also. deeply sentimental and heartfelt. >> Agreed. That was I was like, oh, I want. to watch the show cuz his move his. comedy move is like, I'm going to love. you so hard and she's just like, I'm not. interested and it's so good. >> Sure you're going to want to enjoy the. perks that come along with that. It's. summer in Suburbia. >> Stop playing Del Carmen. Stop Belo Horizonte. We're going. to. >> [laughter]. >> take things to the next level.

But I need to be sure that you're sure. >> OH. >> SO GOOD. >> So good. Such a good show. Okay, we got. to check that out. Um well, Jon Hamm. >> Amy Poehler bear. >> Buddy, I don't have a lot of. straight men on the show. >> [laughter]. >> So, consider yourself. >> a lot I break down a lot of doors a lot. of walls. You know, I'm that's nice. >> You know, um and uh I should probably. >> you do are great our buddies, too. Um.

>> Great. All of our buddies. >> Yeah, I know. >> All of our buddies and. >> It's It's nice to be uh as first of all, it's so great to see you. I I really do. miss you. Um we don't hang out enough, but I'm glad we got this one in. Um. you are the best in the biz. and um. >> Right back at you. >> consistently make me smile and happy and. I look forward to your new show, which I. know is coming out. I was talking to. Sherrod about that. >> didn't even talk about your Friends and. Neighbors season 3 coming out. It's so. great. It's so funny. Congratulations on. another big hit show for Apple.

>> Yeah, season 3 starting we'll start. shooting that in uh in uh late April. Season 2 will come out in early April. and it's very fun and fun stuff. Shooting in New York City. >> I know but lots of nights. >> Yeah, lots of nights but. >> I saw in that first season I was like, "Oh, you have to break in at night. time.". >> they they they they almost broke me on. that one in the first season. >> was like, "We got to find a way to break. into these houses during the day.". >> [laughter]. >> Well, I'm very happy to call myself one. of your chosen sisters, Ham. And I'm. happy I'm happy to be one of them. So,

thanks for doing this. >> Thank you, Amy. >> Love you, too. >> Thank you so much, Jon Hamm. It was so. good to have you and see you and um I. love talking to you. And you know, um. Jon and I talked about a lot of things. and I mentioned a very brief anecdote. about. probably my favorite actress, Frances. McDormand. And so, for this Polar Plunge, I just wanted to. remind you all how great she is. >> [laughter]. >> I just rewatched Nomadland the other.

night and oh god, that is a good. performance. She's just good in. everything. She's. so interesting and smart and just. so cool and. uh Frances, if you're listening, >> [snorts]. >> I love you. Um never change, please. Uh. I'm just a big fan of your work and um. and check out Frances's work. >> [laughter]. [gasps]. >> You know, it's these kind of Polar.

Plunges. Thank you, Frances, for your. work and thank you, Jon Hamm, for coming. today and for your work and thank you. just for. Oh my god, >> [laughter]. >> I don't know how to end this. Okay, bye, everybody. You've been listening to Good Hang. The. executive producers for this show are. Bill Simmons, Jen Waite Berman, and me, Amy Poehler. >> [music]. >> The show is produced by The Ringer and. Paper Kite. For The Ringer, production. by Jack Wilson, Kat Spalane, Kalia. McMullen, and Aleia Zineris. [music]. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green,

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