Hayley Williams | Good Hang with Amy Poehler

Hello everyone and welcome to another. episode of Good Hang. This is such a. good one. You know, this is a guest who. I wanted on since I started this podcast. and I am such a fan. It is Haley. Williams. Um, a beautiful artist, an. incredible singer, songwriter. You might. know her from the band Paramore, but. she's out with her third solo album, Ego. Death at the Bachelorette Party. And um.

she's just so special and we had such a. good time. And um we're going to talk. about a lot of stuff today. We're going. to talk about um working with David. Burn. We're going to talk about um you. know, Wayne's World and how important of. a movie it is. Um we're going to talk. about being short, pros and cons. and. we're gonna warm up and warm down. because that's what a person does when. they take care of their voice. But most. importantly, we're going to start this. podcast like we always do. We're going.

to talk to someone who knows Haley. Williams and knows her well. And today. we have Doug Pek. Now, Doug Pek is a. musical director, uh, a teacher, voice. teacher, if you will. He's also a. trained musician and pianist, and he. works with Haley to get her voice just. right. and I know him in a very special. way, too. So, let's find out what that. is. And let's get Doug on the line. Hi, Doug. [music].

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terms and fees apply. [music]. >> Hi, friend. >> Hi, my queen. It's so good to see you. >> Oh my gosh, I'm so excited to talk to. you. Thank you so much for doing this. I. mean, Doug, we we could do it an entire. episode on your life, your talent. How. did we meet?

>> We met through our buddies Kathern Han. and Rashidita Jones. Both of their. episodes were so good. [laughter] Um, where two years ago at the Christmas. season, we thought it would be fun to do. some Christmas music together at. Rashidita's house. and you walked in, you're like, "Hi." And we instantly fell. into a beautiful rapport. You um so. beautifully sang all the alto parts of. all the Christmas carols we sang. And. I'll never forget you saying it feels. like the song is on some distant shore. and we're the boat that's pulling away. from it. >> Altos, give it up for Altos. Pour one.

out for Altos. Well, I realized we, you. know, we we were like, we want to put. together a choir because we were. [clears throat] feeling like we wanted. to do something communal and for the. community. And then Katherine said, "I'm. working with this incredible person. named Doug." And then I realized much. later it was like saying, "I know this woman named Julia Child. She's going to come and teach us how to. make a chicken." Like we had the best of. the best. [laughter] We were so lucky.

>> Well, thanks Katherine for introducing. us. Speaking of Julia Child, Amy, let's. get your head voice warmed up. >> Okay, Julia Child. Okay, so Doug, what. should I do? Thank you. Can you give us. a good old acting class? >> Very good. And then show us a little. siren from low in your range to high in. your range. Back to low in your range. >> Good. Really good. Can you roll your.

shoulders while you do that and keep. yourself nice and cozy? Comfy. >> Oh my god, my shoulders. God, I forget I. have. >> I'm rubbing them over the Zoom so they. can relax. Oh, Doug is a good shoulder. rubber. And not in a creepy way. >> No, no, >> not in a creepy way. >> Never. Never. >> Roll your shoulders out. [cheering]. [groaning]. >> Really good. >> Why people are laughing? [laughter]. >> She's using her voice. Let's do actually. one of Haley's favorite warm-ups. Can. you do Hey, hey, hey.

>> Doug has a piano right under. I can't. believe you have a piano. [laughter]. Doug has a piano right there. Amazing. This is the first on Good Hang. Someone. has a piano right below frame. Okay. [laughter] So, and this is one of his. Okay. Go ahead. Can you give it to me. again, Doug? >> Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. >> Great job, Amy. How does that feel? >> That is Haley's favorite warm-up.

>> It's one of them. We have a whole list. of things, but. >> I've seen photos of you guys together. and the way that you use breath. I mean, I want to talk to her a lot about that. today. Her voice is one of my favorites. I think when we met, I when I found out. you guys worked together, I kind of. freaked out. >> Imagine how I felt working with her for. the first time. It's like, you're going. to go do a session with Haley Williams. I was like, great. I bet I'm going to. learn as much as she is. >> What was that? What was that first. session like? >> It was total love at first sight. Haley.

is, you know, especially when someone's. as incredible as she is, when they're. such an open student and a student of. life and just everything I've ever said. to her, I feel like she just sponges it. in and she remembers something I said 3. years ago and we'll make a great sound. and she'll be like, "Oh, that reminds me. of we're warming up for the Arrows tour. and I I like how that one sounded. Let's. work on that again." And she's always. willing to work on what she's great at. as well as what doesn't come as easily. to her. And she's such a Capricorn. She's always ready to climb that next. mountain. And this new album of hers is.

so incredible. >> So good. >> I know. I have so many. Now, did you. hear any of it when it was being like, did you She come in and say, "I'm. working on this song. I want to practice. this song with you.". >> Yes. And then she popped down on the. couch and was like, "Yeah, I got 18 new. songs. You want to hear them?" It's. like, "Yeah, I do." And then she's like, "Some of these are really low. We should. probably work on that." I was like, "I. cannot wait, Haley. Let's go.". >> Oh, wow. So, that's interesting to me. Like a singer knows, okay, I'm going to. have to perform these and I'm going to. have to work on figuring out how to get.

my voice to sing these all the time. >> That's right. And sometimes when they. record, they've, you know, they've never. done it live all the way through. And. our sessions are the first amazing time. I'm so lucky where you're like, "Okay, start at the beginning and sing it. through and pick which backgrounds you. want to do and which adlibs you want to. do." And sometimes even great people. like Haley are like, "Whoa, this doesn't. feel at all like it felt on the record. let's find a way to do it live. And. that's just such a joy. >> I always think about that and I want to. ask her and I think she was very has.

spoke about it in a really funny way. which is you know you write a song in. your 20s that you then have to sing 10. years later and it's a note that's like. you know all I wanted you [screaming]. or whatever and it's like damn you got. to hit that. I bet she regrets it. We've. worked hard on that. I'm really proud of. her because that was one that wasn't. always in the Paramore performances and. she was determined to get it back in the. set. >> Dang. >> And we worked totally 360 on it with.

both the vocals and her confidence. >> How do you work on that? How do you work. and what is that note by the way, Doug? Let's hear that on the piano. What's. that note that she's singing, B flats, and an E in that piece? Top of her range. in a really chesty belt. And. >> chesty belt. Oh, there's so much chest. voice in it and it's from the soul and. she gets her whole body behind it. And. we worked on, you know, having her look. up to her friends in the first balcony. and have her whole throat be open while.

she makes those sounds, knowing in her. eyes that she's going to crush it when. she takes the breath to do it and then. watching the reward and watching the. audience reaction. It's just so soul. satisfying. She also does a lot of vocal. cool downs. So after the show, we warm. her voice back down and help it relax, which helps her with the next night and. helps her take a second to say, "Oh. yeah, I did do that really well tonight. and I did use the proper technique to. sing that." Um, and also we've had fun. days where she's like, "Yeah, I just. wanted to scream, so I screamed that. one." And we help help me.

>> help help me like get my voice. [clears throat] back. Yeah, [laughter]. >> she is after all a rockstar, so that's. all I do. >> Well, I mean, it's it's I want to ask. her about it. Just the idea that you. have to keep your voice. I mean, I just. that, you know, when you lose your. voice, you lose the show. The show is. over. It's really an intense stress. What do you do? How do you help people. not lose their voice? >> We have straws. We have straws in water. We do jump. >> Wait, what are straws do? >> You take a straw, which gets proper um.

closure and back pressure at your vocal. fold. Do you have one? >> Somebody get me a straw. >> Somebody get Amy pull her a straw. >> Somebody get me a straw. Watch this. I. need a straw. [laughter]. There's no straw in here. I mean, we're. never going to find a straw. Okay, so. you got a straw. >> We're going to pretend we have a straw. Okay, we're going to do a little. problem. >> Okay. Oh my god, there's a straw flying. in. Jenna has a straw. Incredible. Is it. Thank you, Jenna. Is it a metal straw? Is a metal straw. Okay, >> it could be fine. Doesn't matter what. it's made of. >> because uh because all you young people. want the straws to be metal now, so.

can't find a paper one. >> And do you have a little liquid in that. mug you got there? >> I do. Is there are you going to spill it. if you blow bubbles into it or is it. like half. >> blow bubbles into it? Fantastic. >> Stick the straw in there. >> Okay. >> And just blow bubbles. Now do the same thing with the tones. while you blow the bubbles. >> Oh my god, Amy Fer is doing snow. bubbles. That's a big thing we do in. cool down to help the voice reset. It's.

like a little massage for the vocal. cords after heavy use. You know, it's so. amazing the the uh the now honestly. having a podcast, I've realized I see. like I see what it does even just. talking what it does to your vocal cords. and they need a lot of love. >> Well, we can help you come up with a. warm up and a cool down before taping. days. I'd love to do that with you, >> Doug. Listen, I'd love that. And I'd. also love to make every guest watch me. do it and make them very uncomfortable. while I take my time doing it, you know.

[laughter]. Okay, so Haley um is coming in today and. I hope I don't, as the kids say, glaze. her too hard, but I just I I love her. >> Well, you probably will. >> I know I will. I love her. What do you. think is a question that um I should ask. Haley today that she doesn't get asked. or that you'd want to hear or um you. know, think it would be a good thing for. us to talk about? >> Okay, I thought of two so you can decide. if you want to do one or both. Um, one,

you know how like Batman has the bat. symbol in the sky? If there was going to. be a symbol in the sky to summon Haley. Williams, what would it be? >> What an incredible question. So. creative. >> And then the other one is, you know how. everybody has like, what's your last. meal? I want to know what is the last. song she wants to hear before she dies. >> I mean, so emotional. >> Yeah. Welcome. [laughter]. >> I What is the last song you want to hear. before you die?

Whoa, that's a heavy. >> She'll have an answer, too. I bet she'll. know the answer. >> That's so cool. I mean, I want to think. about that for myself, too. >> I know the ones I don't want to hear. Like, [laughter]. I don't want to hear like elevator music. or like the sound of a carousel. [laughter]. >> I'm trying to think of what I don't want. to hear. >> You don't want to be bored and you don't. want to feel like a clown. I love that. [laughter]. As I finish, you have worked with a lot.

of great women. >> Yes. >> Who have you had the privilege to work. with? >> You know, some days Amy, I'm like, "Oh, it's an all girl schedule." And I'm so. happy. So, it could be a Katherine Han, Patty Leone, Billy Isish, Haley. Williams. I've worked with Phoebe Brides. a lot lately. >> Oh, you're working with her today. Not. to brag, but you told me that. >> That is That is true. Thank you for. making the scheduling work. >> We'll work around Phoebe. Yeah, that's a. good um I'm working with Rico Nasty. these days and Lauren Mayberry from. churches and lots of up and cominging.

people including by the way Haley is the. biggest music fan in the world and she's. always scouting and every once in a. while she'll discover somebody and. she'll tell me or she'll tell her. manager to tell me like make sure Doug. does a lesson with that person cuz we. want that person to start getting ready. to tour and sing all the time. So some. of the great people you haven't quite. heard of yet but you will. I had a. student record her Tiny Desk concert. today, Annie Deruso. Oh my gosh. Wow. That's exciting. Well, I love you. I. love seeing you. I miss you very much. I. hope we get, you know,

>> we should let everybody know that our. choir was called the Something Something. Singers, >> and we did two shows. We did it for the. um Motion Picture Academy, the um. Retirement Home in LA, and we did it for. LA Children's Hospital. >> Um can I show you my Haley Williams. tattoo? >> Yes. [laughter]. >> [gasps]. >> Oh, >> that. >> that is Haley Williams on stage at the.

ERS tour spitting in the air in her. trans rights top. And I was like, I. [ __ ] love this woman so much. >> So, Doug, you know, we don't ever get. any talented uh pianists here. So, um. could you finish our uh time by just. playing us out? >> I'm going to give you a little bit of. True Believer, which is my favorite on. this. >> True Believer. Here we go.

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Terms apply. See app for details. >> Haley Williams is here. Hi. So happy. that you're here. >> Oh my god. I feel like I've waited for. this my whole career. My whole life. I've been making music for 20 years so. that I could finally get to you. [laughter]. >> Wow. You know what this is? I'm blushing. because you are When we made this. podcast, we were like talking about. dream guests and you were one of them. >> Oh my god. I don't even I really don't. know what to say to that. >> Okay. Well, you better figure it out cuz.

I'm going to think about it. >> We're rolling. No. Um, we um we were. talking about having you on today and. Okay, I don't I'm I'm kind of nervous. [laughter]. >> I'm such a fan. I'm such a fan. Yes. >> Thank you so much. >> And as the kids say, I'm going to I'm. just going to glaze you. I'm going to be. glaze on glazing. >> Glaze me. >> It's going to be a glaze fest because. I'll glaze you back. >> Are you on some kind of tour right now? Like you're on. >> Well, like basically a promo. I mean, I.

This has been really nice. I feel like. I've only had I've only had to do the. stuff that's been like I've really felt. excited to do, >> but you know, it's like being on C. It's. just I just feel like I'm on the. internet all the time and I So, I won't. be on tour until next year and by that. time hopefully I have a dumb phone and I. just don't see the internet or. >> Yeah. How do you feel? I mean, your Jen. has an interesting relationship with the. internet. It is like a lovehate. relationship basically. >> It is a lovehate. I'm really addicted to.

it. Me too. >> It sucks. >> I feel like I thought maybe my. generation was more addicted than you. guys. You guys, but you guys are the. most. >> We Well, I mean, how old was I when my. mom My mom was a teacher? So, like a. public school teacher. >> Public school teacher. >> Like, you grew up Did you grow up going. to her classrooms and stuff? It was the. best. >> Okay. What kind of teacher was your mom. >> back then? She was teaching elementary. school like second and third. [clears throat] grade. And um I never. she was never my teacher, but I I went.

to that school. And. >> same. Isn't it funny to have your mom as. a teacher in the school? >> Did you hang out at the school. afterwards? >> Yeah, we often got there early if we. were going in with her or we'd stay. after and you kind of like see the other. teachers. >> Yeah. >> After school, which is a trip. >> It's such It's like It's like Mean Girls. when they see Tina at the mall. >> When they peek in and see Tina at the. mall. Yeah. >> I [laughter] It really is like that. I. that resonated with me deeply. >> I know. It does feel like you're like. peeking behind the curtain. Very um.

>> like don't look at the wizard style, >> right? [laughter]. Yeah. >> Okay. When you came in, you asked about. a mutual friend that we have. >> Yes. >> So, we do have a mutual friend and he's. the most loveliest guy ever. His name is. What is his name? >> Doug Peek. So, um, we have a thing on. this show where we, um, at the beginning. of each episode, we kind of talk well. behind our guests back and we talk. [clears throat] to somebody who knows. them and get and get a question from. them to ask you. And we talked to Doug. Peek today. >> WE DID. >> YES. [screaming].

LOVE IT. >> AND HE GAVE ME A VOCAL warm up for us to. do. >> Shut your mouth. I This is the best day. of my life. >> Okay. And he and I kind of forget what. he said. >> Okay. Maybe I can maybe I can pick up on. also amazingly had a piano right under. frame [laughter] that he started to play. and I was like where is that coming from. but because I was like Doug I'm excited. to talk to Hilly and and he's like okay. and he gave us he g he said one of your. favorite warm-ups is that like um well I. think it's like [laughter] I'm afraid to. do it but it was like oh yeah oh is it.

it's like with your belly cuz I really. have trouble connecting to my diaphragm. sometimes. >> I he asked me how is your body feeling. and I was like I don't know what you're. talking. >> [laughter]. >> Okay. So, let's do it. Okay. So, um. yeah. So, feel your feel your belly kind. of bounce when you [laughter]. [panting]. Okay. And then you can add notes to it. So, like. h. [laughter].

that's it. Really wakes up this whole. like everything. >> It does. >> Yeah, it really helps. We were just. talking today about you and I mean. there's just it's hard to not start with. your voice because your voice to me um. and here comes the glaze. Your voice to me is [laughter]. get prepared for. [gasps] is it is its own country. It's.

like it has such a incredible history. like I feel like I've been a fan of it. and you and your work for so long and. I've watched it change and I watch and. what I love about this new record which. I love um um Ego Death at a bachelorette. party is. >> the way you kind of play around with. your voice in a conf in my opinion a. confident way as someone who feels. >> like they're ready to just kind of like.

see where their voice goes and play. around with it. So, I guess my my first. question to you is when did you. form a relationship with your voice? >> Whoa, that's a cool question to think. about. I think [gasps and sighs]. young um I was I was I was remembering. this not too long ago and I think this. must be it. I would go to church with my. mom and my with my family as a kid. >> And um I was I was a very anxious,

stressed out little kid. And my mom and. I kind of, you know, she was in a not. great marriage. It was my mom's second. marriage. >> And I think I just had anxiety a lot. So. we would go to church and everyone would. sing out of the himynil and they're not. fun songs to sing, right? You know, it's. it's boring when you're a kid. especially, right? And but I noticed. that my stomach ache would go away. >> and I I I couldn't explain it but I just.

I started singing I started singing more. to the hymns along you know along with. the hymns at church. >> and um it just soothed me you know it. like I think it grounded me and it. slowed me down and then obviously you. know all these many many years later and. everything that I I love to learn about. the body and and especially what what. you like body keeps the score type. stuff. I I'm really interested in that. >> and reading about how the voice can tone. the the vagus nerve and which controls.

so much of this this anxiety stuff and. how we regulate. Um it makes perfect. sense. But I intuited that as a I must. have I mean god I must have been like. eight or nine years old. That's really. >> so interesting. Even just doing that. thing we just did, right? Like even the. exhalation of breath, even that. >> Yeah. >> is it is major. When you actually do it, you realize, oh, I've been holding my. breath. >> Oh my god. Yes. >> I mean, and I do a lot of sighing.

>> Oh, >> around the house. And I used to just. think that was my personality, like. [sighs]. >> you know, as if I was over it. But I. realized it was just an exhalation of. anxiety. That was just basically it. I. was just trying to get some breath out. And you are soothing yourself like your. system by doing it. >> Yeah. I I it's. >> I love that science. I I just that's. endlessly fascinating. And Doug, because. he's a sematic voice coach, >> we do so many things that I think um if. you've never done that kind of work from.

the outside would look really weird. And. I I get up and I move around a lot. during our lessons. You're making me. think of two things. one which is I. often say and have said on this podcast. like when I get to a party and I'm. anxious I like to dance and I realize. like of course I like to just do exactly. that kind of thing like shake it out. >> That's good. >> But the other thing is and I want to. talk to you about performing. You have. written a lot of songs where you have to. just like get to this note that maybe. you wrote 20 20 years [laughter] ago.

>> Yeah. Like. >> I mean some version it's like okay I. could you know like I got to get to it. And I was saying to Doug like it's it's. really hard to um it's like a high dive. where everyone's you know and I'm. thinking specifically of a couple. moments like all I wanted. >> All I wanted. Yeah. Oh my the anxiety. >> Okay. But you. that's Doug. But talk to us about like. for example the journey of and for. people who don't know there is an.

amazing song a paramore song and it hits. a note that is like so satisfying for. you to get what is what is the note of. that is it a. >> I actually don't know and I forgot. >> Doug knows. >> my usually my my sweet spot of like not. too high and I can do keep doing this. throughout a show is around. a C uh C an E above middle C which is. like so if middle C is in the center of. the piano, you're like right here. >> So could you could you whisper that.

sound? You don't have to sing it, but. could you So is it like. >> like from the song? >> No, but it's like Yeah. >> Um I don't have perfect pitch, so I. don't think I could like. >> I don't I don't think I could pick it. out out of the out of thin air, but. let's just guess and then Doug can be at. home and he can tell us I was wrong. >> I have a laptop, too. I can Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, what's our what's. the note we want? >> Um we want C above middle C. cuz I didn't even know that existed. >> I think E is kind of where I'd end up. belting a lot of Paramore songs, but I.

think All I wanted might be higher than. that. And that's why it's always scared. me cuz it's just my muscle memory. >> 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 It. >> It's It's got to be higher than that. [laughter]. >> C above middle C. But I think that E I. think that E is the one. I might want to. try EA middle C. >> Yes. E above middle C. LET'S GO HIGHER. >> I DON'T KNOW. >> LET'S GO HIGHER.

LAPTOP'S GOING TO CATCH on fire. Okay. Here [laughter] we go. E above middle C. I think this is it. >> Okay. >> No, >> that's a lower one. >> That's a lower. That's mid piano note. I'm so sorry. [screaming]. >> Why do I think all I want I think all I. wanted is higher than this. It was you. Yeah, [laughter]. you did it too.

[laughter]. >> Come to a voice lesson. Let's get this. down. >> Okay. So you but you the journey of and. I and I let thank you for letting me. digress into this before I talk about. record but but talk about like so you've. got this note for example a note like. that. >> and you're driving to it and you want to. sing it on tour and you're deciding like. >> okay I want to make sure I want to bring. this back in and how do you then train. for that moment? Oh, I'm I mean a lot of.

warming up and warming down after shows. >> I already I've already heard about. warming down. >> Warming down. Do you ever do it like. >> No, I I I I'm learning. I should help. >> Can you read music? >> No, I did maybe for a few years in my. life when I took piano, but I got so. bored with the theory part. I just. wanted to play [ __ ] that I wanted to. sing along to. So, um, it's really I I. really regret it when I listen to. someone like Doug talk about theory and. and spout off these, you know, this.

stuff that's so inherent to him as an. artist and as a teacher. >> It's like, uh, dang, I really should. have stayed in piano lessons. But. >> it feels like everybody who who quit who. quit feels that way, like it would have. been cool if I just kept ching along. with the flute. I would have been such a. badass. >> I do. Can you play any instruments? >> No. I can play a few a few chords on. guitar and like a song or two in the. piano and I used to play flute when I. was a kid. >> You did? >> Yes. And imagine if I could. >> flute is chic.

>> I mean maybe. >> But you know what I liked about the. flute? The most embarrassing part. [laughter] was. >> cleaning it. Cleaning it. >> I'm so sorry. But for those people, what's that process like? You take at. the end you were like, I played it and. look, I didn't learn anything. [laughter] But then you take IT APART. I. TAKE IT unscrew it and you have to clean. all the parts and use special brushes. and you put it back in the flute case. and you were like, "No, it's clean." Has. this [laughter]. does this translate to like other parts.

of your life? Do you like to clean and. organize? >> Oh, yeah. Very much so. Very much so. >> What's that like? >> It's like um it's like a way to like. quiet like the ticky tacky. My brain is. just like, well, the seat's clean. >> and it's in the box. >> You got to take that up. >> Okay. So, little Haley's singing in. church. Then you're But you know how to. play guitar and piano. How do you learn. that? >> Now I know how to play guitar, but back. then I think I probably only knew how to. play piano and I was learning to play. the drums. >> Um, you know, I saw one video of Zack.

Hansen on the television when I was a. kid and I was like, >> now I got to play drums. And um I yeah I. started playing eventually and I I would. play at church, you know, like I think. my experience of music when I was living. in Mississippi was just so much at. church cuz no friends I didn't know. anyone at school that wanted to play. music. >> Um but you know there was access to. instruments and things at the church. So. >> and you moved to Tennessee in your when. you were a teen and that kind of.

[clears throat] changed everything, right? >> That kind of blew my world open. And I. mean, I met Zach, who's our drummer, the. first day of this homeschool program. that my mom put me in. Uh I could I. tried to go to public school. I was such. a nerd. I really got bullied. So I I. didn't make it very long here. It's. okay. I when I think about it now, I'm. like. >> it was my mom and I were on such an. adventure. We had run away from. Mississippi. This was like, >> you know, the the great wide world. And. I. >> I didn't really again I got to this.

public school and I was like well none. of these there's like one goth kid at. the school that like will talk to me. about music. >> and that was it. And then I met Zach the. first day of this other program and he. was like you got to come hear me in my. brother's band and I and he's younger. than me and I'm going like oh there. there are people my age that that like. to make stuff and they they they see the. world a little differently and I'm not. crazy. I think it's always tender when. bands come together that first part. because it's like what do you like what.

do you like and you guys were especially. young. >> We were so were you who did you you know. how you kind of trade bands with each. other to just test taste? Who did you. guys both like say that you liked you. know in those early years? Like. >> I think Zach already had this he already. knew of a different world of music that. I was not exposed to yet and he kind of. showed me that and it was bands like. Failure. It was bands like um.

>> uh And You Will Know Us by the Trail of. Dead, you know, like it was hum. >> who are who are playing shows next year. I just found out. Um I I probably won't. get to see them cuz I'll probably be on. tour, but. >> I know when you're on tour, you can't do. anything. I can't do any even like you. bring out a band that you love that you. want to hang out and watch and you're. just like warming up while they're on. stage, you know? [laughter]. >> Yeah. But Zach just love I mean Zach is. the reason that I knew Elliot Smith's. music as a really young kid and.

>> you know I remember him making me mix. CDs. So. >> I got such a cool education really fast. He had two older brothers that also. liked cool music. >> A lot of people learn their music from. their older siblings. Yes. And I didn't. have any older siblings. >> I'm the oldest. >> Oh, you're eldest daughter. >> Yeah, I knew it. >> Capricorn, too. I heard. >> Are you a Capricorn? >> No, I'm a Virgo. But earth sign. >> Earth. And I'm a Virgo moon. >> Ooh, I have a Leo moon. That's why I. have this podcast.

>> Oh my god, it makes so much sense. >> I must I must get I must get some. attention. So for people who don't know. like you join you met the people that. would become members or founders of. Paramore when you were a teeny tiny baby. in high school. >> and you've been with this band for 20. plus years. >> touring all the time making records all. the time and this record is your third. solo um record and what is so.

interesting to me and what and getting. back to a question about your voice is. what is the difference between being uh. the lead singer in a band out on stage. performing and being a per being. yourself performing without the band. behind you. >> Is that not the million-dollar question? I do not know, >> right? Because it's a completely. different set of skills almost. >> It is. I'm very I'm finding myself cuz. we're planning shows for next year. I'm. finding myself really nervous cuz I I.

think I for my own good really need to. understand who I am outside of the band. Like it's it's time. I'm like. >> I'm looking at 40. It's not that many. years away. And I'm just like I should. probably know who I am outside of this. entity. >> And I'm really I'm very excited for. shows. And I do think that it might. possibly subvert some people's. expectations of, you know, what they. think they're going to get when they see. me on a stage.

>> What do you think people think they're. going to get? >> I think that with Paramore, I feel and. especially in the LA in the the later. years, like more recently, there's been. some kind of thing I've not this feeling. I've noticed that I very much feel like. a ring leader. >> And that's not always a positive thing. I feel that like it's a huge. responsibility to be a mouthpiece for a. group of people. That's right. >> Um we're all very different individual. individuals and like I want to speak for.

myself. >> Yeah, that's what I'm noticing. I love. that. And it's also I I. have a version of a a similar experience. in that when I was in a sketch group. coming up. >> I read about this. >> and I was the only girl. >> Oh. >> Um and not that that matters but it's. something I think it totally matters. >> It's something. So I really get it that.

you want to then decide okay that's. something I've practiced and done and I. want to try something new. >> Yes. Yeah. I'm I feel like. I'm really enjoying this part of my. career because I actually feel like for. the first time in my career I'm talking. to women. >> Um growing up it it there was just no. women around. >> There wasn't a lot of women when you. were on Warp Tour. [laughter]. >> No, you didn't you didn't have a real. like a great great gang backstage. >> It wasn't so many that you could chill.

with and [laughter] talk about. Like there were some really amazing. ladies in the production office of. course, but then I was also like, you. know, I mean, I was like pushing gear. with the guys on a skateboard down a. hill across to Merryweather Post. Pavilion, you know, like like I wasn't. hanging out in the production office. I. really think I it it is something to be. the only girl in a gang. [snorts]. >> It is. And it's also like you want to. feel, you know, we could we could talk.

about this part forever and you would be. the person to be able to talk about it. with, but it's like how does your the. gender that you identify as, how do you. sublimate it through your work? How do. you like. >> kind of push it aside? How do you play. around with it? Like I feel like you. have really. >> cool ways in which you kind of play. around with the mask and fem side of. you. >> Thank you. But it's but it sometimes. you're just you need like the space to. be able to do that basically and the. safety to be able to do that.

>> The safety that that's the that one hits. me more. I I think I. the the the era that we grew up in and I. know I've already referenced Mean Girls. one time but you think about like that. >> technically contractually you have to. reference. >> every episode. Okay. [laughter] Have we. done we've done two now so you're good. You're not going to get a phone call. [laughter]. >> I'm brilliant. >> I like I that was a time in in culture. that I do I think more conversations.

were starting to happen. But to be. whatever age I was 14, I think baby. >> Yeah, I was a baby. And I was in that. age range, you know, of all these people. and and like watching the the these. social like this, you know, this. construct that that happens. Um. >> I I feel that. >> once I entered the band world and and. the the music the climate, you know, especially for like indie and and more.

like punk punk subg genres, >> it didn't feel safe to be a young girl. Maybe if I was an older woman, I would. have felt differently, but. >> I really sherked any any aspect of me. that was remotely feminine. >> Um, and it I didn't know this, but it. really hurt me. It like I did it to. myself. No one asked me to do that. >> Well, a lot of we all did it. A lot of. us did it to. >> because you're scanning, right? You're. always scanning for the dangers. And.

>> unfortunately, in the in the industries. that we're both in, there's a lot of. them. And I I think it took me until. probably I remember writing very. neutrally like in terms of my point of. view like I never want to give away. lyrically that you know this is a a. young girl's point of view you know. trying to be smart enough to make that. happen but it was probably like our. fourth album which I would have been in. my early 20s by that point where I. started to play around with my. femininity more and I wasn't so ashamed.

of it and you know I if I ever felt. sexy. I didn't like push that feeling. away. Um, and I, you know, because of. that experience, I'm now I'm 36 and I'm. still noticing places where there's a. lot of rigidity around my femininity. >> and I talk to my friends about this a. lot. Um, I don't I mean, it's just kind. of unfolding day by day. I you know you. go through rough things in your life and. I think each time I come around to an.

obstacle I'm like okay how do I do this. better than the last time I did I went. through something like this and somehow. femininity is always at the core of the. issue. >> I so feel you. I feel like it's like a. lot of deprogramming, >> a lot of like. >> um being just what you said, a little. bit curious and not so judgmental and. just if you're 10% more aware of. anything you're doing, you're you're. hanging in there. >> cuz [sighs and gasps] it's, you know, you don't you you can't like judge. yourself for what you didn't know.

>> Yeah. Yeah. When you were on tour, were. there is there any women that come to. mind that were kind of guiding lights. or, you know, people that you met along. the way that kind of felt like, oh, I'm. going to take a I'm going to notice them. and I'm going to kind of pay attention. to what they're doing and I'm going to. learn from it. >> Yeah. The second year we were on Warp. Tour, um Joan Jet and the Blackhearts. played on the main stage like the whole. summer, which is a brutal summer. It's a. long tour. Um, and I would catch them.

anytime I could. And we ended up in a. photo shoot together for I think it was. for Billboard and I kissed her on the. cheek. I'm very shy. I don't if I like. if we weren't doing this, I don't know. when I would have ever met you. Like I. don't cuz I'm so I just don't I never. want to bother people and I am quite shy. when I'm not on stage. And. >> I I don't know. we were standing next to. each other and I just kissed her on the. cheek and I remember being like I love. her. >> and I didn't know anything about her. other than she was in the runaways and I. had a runaways poster on my wall as a.

teenager. >> Um but I thought she was I thought she. was just I liked her masculinity. >> Yeah, >> I liked that she wasn't embarrassed to. have that side of her as a woman and she. was also very sexy. Mhm. >> Um, so that was probably the first woman. that I really like performer that I was. really around. >> um for for like an extended period of. time uh in my young in my early career. And then, you know, I I just this year I.

met Kathleen Hannah. >> and I I told her I was like, I I just I. haven't had many of these conversations. And it's so validating to it's so. validating, by the way, to read books. like your book and Kathleen's book and. and read about women. I I um. >> you know, I have amaz my mom and my. granny are like these incredible women. in my life that I've learned so much. from. My mom and I are like really close. in age and all that, but I I learned.

there's we have so much grace for each. other and I I'm very thankful for those. relationships, but I didn't have. anything outside of my family. >> to really like. >> soak up Yeah. >> wisdom from other women. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm like the proximity of them. And. you must have you must have felt that on. the Aerys tour like you got to be around. all these incredible women. >> and an incredible woman at the helm and. you just got to feel what it feels like. to be in that. >> Yeah. >> matriarchal simulation.

>> Totally. It is a different It's a. different feeling altogether. I mean. there was just there was a time too. where we would go a whole year and I. wouldn't see another girl on stage. M. >> um and now when we now that we have. >> the power to choose to make those. choices, it's so nice to get to be. intentional about that and to think. about the conversations you might get to. have backstage and what I might learn or. what I might be able to. >> offer um another artist that you know. that's maybe like the Linda Lindas. I.

love those girls. Like I love them and I. just think that they're they're so smart. and they're so aware like politically. like aware and. >> and not not afraid. I think that it's. very a healing for me to see. >> young like teenage people be so be so. bold about what they believe in and and. [clears throat]. >> and really confident in their playing. and how they perform and that their. friendships. It's it's really healing to.

see that. Well, you probably I mean I. have a a couple questions about the. Aerys tour and they're practical. questions. They're like, "What is it. like to perform early in the day?". >> I love it. >> It sounds amazing. >> If I never I've already told the team. like if we get festival offers, please. don't make me play after the sun starts. to go down. >> I completely agree. >> Nothing good is happening out there. >> You can be done by what 8:30. >> I want to have a normal dinner. >> A normal dinner. This is what Tina and I. go on tour and we do like 4:00 and 6:00.

shows. [laughter]. >> Babe, you can do a 4:00 show. >> I mean, you're the boss, so you can. >> And guess what? People are going to show. up and you can say to them, you can say, "Good night. Enjoy your dinner." And. they're like, "I'm I'm in bed by 7:30.". >> Oh my god, that is we did do that on the. air. So, what at the like you had a long. stretch when you were with them, you in. a bunch of different cities um. [clears throat]. >> with Taylor Swift on the error store. What did you do after the show. >> when Well, when we were in the UK, I.

loved this because you know BBC No, not. BBC E4. I can't remember what channel it. is, but they play Gogglebox. Have you. watched Gogglebox? >> Yes, I've heard of Goggle Box. >> My god, Amy, this is my favorite show of. all time. I just love. >> explain to people what it is for people. who don't know. So, imagine Amy and I. are like we're watching television. together and all these cameras are still. here, which honestly sounds terrifying, but [laughter] um but like it's just. families and friends.

watching TV like commenting on what. they're seeing. And some of it is like, you know, soap opera type [ __ ] and other. times it's like Boris Johnson. >> Yeah. I've seen some like I often see. some clips of like heavy beautiful. scenes where like a young teen is coming. out to his parents and then they'll show. all the different reactions and you. think like oh this very bluecollar. family is going to have a tough time. with it and they never do. >> Oh my god. England is just full of. angels. [laughter]. >> Well, according to Gogglebox.

Yeah, according to Gottle Box, it's very. it's very wholesome and I love to just. >> I can see. >> pop a neti or two and just sink into a. you know have some room service around. >> I was going to say let me watch what. people are watching. >> Um okay. So you would like watch TV? >> Yeah. >> After you would chill out. You would not. go out. >> We went out some. We we had a lot of.

days off, too. And we would like my. favorite days were Portugal. We were in. Portugal for like 4 days before the. shows started. And we did one day on. like this little boat. The guys and I. all went out, our our crew, everybody. I. think there was like 40 of us, maybe 30. of us total. And um we went out and. we're not talking about like a yacht. situation, but it was very cute. And we. went out and we swam. Uh, well, the guys. swam and then we found out later it's. like a really not a good idea to swim in.

that water. But, um, >> and you had the instinct to not go in. >> I did. Yeah. I didn't want to be cold. I'm not I'm not a cold person. >> Yeah. You don't you never do like a cold. plunge or any of that. >> You love a cold plunge. [laughter]. >> I know this about you. And look how. you're radiant. >> I thank you. It's It's And it's not. about the skin, although that's a nice. bio. >> The skin is all I care [laughter] about. The insides can be rotting out. >> Let my skin glow, please. Okay. It's. good for inflammation. >> Oh [ __ ]. >> I know.

>> I don't want you to tell me that. >> And you know, you don't have to do it. You never ever have to do it. >> Maybe soon. >> I think it has. And honestly, it's. really helped with anxiety and. depression. Really? >> Yes. Cuz it talk about sematic. It flips. on your like um. >> fight or flight. >> It flips on some kind of oh no, I'm. going to die. I'm so cold. [laughter]. >> But how does that help? >> Because the high when you're still alive. is [laughter]. Have you ever like thrown up on stage?

>> I've never thrown up on sta. I actually. don't think I've thrown up from a show. I have. I have. >> Amazing. >> I blacked out on stage at. >> ACL. um like the last album cycle, but I. didn't pass out. I like blacked out. Pink Panther was on stage singing Misery. Business with us. >> and I had this moment where I was like I. just went out for two seconds and I came. back. [laughter] It turns out I was. sick. So, I found that out later. But, um, but other than that, I've only had a.

few instances where like there was one. time Mexico a festival in Mexico City, I. almost [ __ ] my pants through a band. Um, blacked out at the same time. >> I was going to ask, I didn't want to be. rude, but I mean, how after so many. shows, have you not had. >> not [ __ ] my pants? I really. >> I [laughter] mean, I I assume every. pretty much every singer I see, I assume. that they've [ __ ] their [laughter]. pants. Not on stage plenty of times off stage. I mean, there's nothing you can do about. it. >> I think it's like it's like when you're. on your period and you go in the water,

apparently it just like. >> it just goes. >> I think that's what happens on stage. with me. It's just like we're not doing. this. >> Yeah. >> Wait until after. Women are incredible. >> Women are so strong. >> So, we Women most of the time don't [ __ ]. their pants. [laughter]. >> Like most of the time, >> that's like a guy thing, actually. I'm. sorry. >> 100% is true. I don't I don't know any. women today that have pooped their pants. [laughter] once. Any No one here in the. studio today. Today not once.

>> We should just all try it together once. so we can know. But it is it is it's. super physical. And then the the other I. have so many like because I feel like. there's a version where one must like. >> disassociate and just kind of be in your. world and sing and other times where you. want to feed off of the eye contact from. people and is that just you're just. always adjusting with that or. >> Yeah. I I don't know if I'm I don't know. if I'm fully present to like that. awareness when I'm in it, >> but I I get such a rush. I mean,

especially at a Paramore show, I usually. recognize a lot of the people in the. front. So, we're all we'll we'll have. like a relationship then throughout that. show where I'm like, I know you. I've. seen you a million times and like you're. with me. >> But then I'll spot other people and I. can I can really feel it's almost like I. intuit it what the song means to them. I'm not thinking about what it means to. me anymore. It's so healing. It's very. liberating actually cuz I love to write. about stuff that'll just make you so.

depressed, you know, like I I need to. get that out. So to have an experience. with other people that takes it away. from me is really um I I really need. that. I think. >> what what's a song or a lyric or a. moment that has been given back to you. by a fan like by or by someone in the. audience singing it back to you that's. changed the meaning of what you wrote? >> Oh wow. Because that's a very cool thing. you just brought up. I didn't even think. about it. I mean, to me, I my my. question was going to be what does it. feel like to pass around all these like.

feelings to people so that they can all, >> you know, they can all have their. feelings about it and become detectives. about it. But. >> I realize there must be a gift also in. the way people sing the song back to. you, tell you what they feel about the. song, that it must change the meaning of. the song. >> It It really does. >> Does anything come to mind? Well, the. first one that comes to mind is this. song called Last Hope from our fourth. album or we we had a self-titled record. that came out when Zach left the band.

Um he left the band with his brother who. started the band with us when we were. teenagers and um. >> it was really Taylor and I were writing. and I was we were both really sad and I. just kind of also felt like I mean what. does a band matter, you I really was. feeling so existential about the whole. thing and I can't remember it's the. lyric in the bridge. It's like the the. um the salt in my wounds isn't burning. doesn't burn quite as much as it used.

to. I I can't remember exactly the words. right now, but it I [clears throat] just. remember writing it and being like this. is so sad and that it unfortunately is. how I feel and I've I've really. struggled with my mental health and and. kind of like you know I've wanted to not. be here plenty of times and. >> that song kind of expressed that in the. moment for me having that at a Paramore. show that moment. and feeling like everyone in the room.

has survived. so many different things. and we're all here. Half of us will. never see each other again. >> Um, it really does something to those. types of songs where I wrote them in. such isolation. >> and now here I am having to like not. only. >> be witnessed but bear witness to all. these other experiences that are that. have. >> coalesed. And people are just physically. joyously singing that back to you,

smiling and being like, "Thank you for. writing that thing." Like, >> dude, joy is really joy is a is a is a. tough emotion for me. >> Um because I don't trust it. I always. think it's going to the piano's going to. fall from the sky is what I say to like. it's just going to. >> hit me when I least expect it. And I. think that's why Paramore shows, at. least for me, they they feel so joyous. because I'm I'm relying on a lot of.

other things. >> I'm not thinking so much about my own. experience. And when we can transcend. our own experience, it's like. >> for me, joy becomes more tangible. It's. like, uh, >> I'm not controlling what's happening. anyway. >> Yeah. and this thing is is being offered. up. We're all kind of creating this. energy together and we just get to reach. up into and pull it down into our hearts. and it it's like it's very wholesome. It's um. >> it is it's I mean it's very uh.

primal. It's very primal. >> Singing with other people like just the. frequency of that in a room is powerful. >> Yeah. Can we talk about being short? [laughter]. >> Can we please [ __ ] talk about being. short? We're both 5'2 according to. Wikipedia. Are you a Are you a natural. 52? >> Yeah, I am. In fact, one time I did the. whole insurance thing. They come, they. take your blood and all that stuff and. they were like, "You're 53." And I never. let it go. It's on my driver's license.

>> 53 is on MY DRIVER'S LICENSE, TOO. [laughter] CUZ THEY MEASURED ME AT 53, which I'm not. I'm 5'2. But I was like, and they were like 53. And I was like, "Okay.". >> I was super pumped. >> Oh my god. I was so relieved. Actually, >> what's the good thing about being 5'2. and what's a bummer? Well, so so my. friend Daniel that I made the record. with um is probably like 63. I don't. >> Isn't it funny that you don't know. because anyone over a certain height I'm. like just tall. >> just a building. I don't like I don't. know. I'm just walking through New York.

every [laughter] day of my life. But. [gasps] um he we were we were standing. on like a porch of a house that was kind. of like on a hill and then there were. there were chairs and I was like you're. way up there, man. like you're like. we're already standing at top this. little hill. >> and I so I got on the chair and I stood. next to I stood on the chair next to him. where I was even with him and I felt so. vulnerable to the elements. I was like.

>> closer to the sun. >> This is not where I want to be. >> No. Too windy up there. >> It's too windy. Yeah. >> I don't like to be cold. >> Yeah. Too cold. >> And I hate wind if I'm being honest. >> Yeah. Get down under Get down back into. your shorts. [laughter] I just I just I. really felt scared for like a few. minutes. So I. >> You tip over. I don't know how tall. people don't constantly tip over. [laughter]. >> And it's like not our business what's. happening up there. >> It's not our business what's up there. >> I don't want to know. >> It's like if something's important, shout it down. [laughter].

>> But we don't need to go up there. >> Yeah. I mean really though. I I. >> I do though when I'm shopping I hate. being short. >> It sucks. Every. >> It's so embarrassing. >> It's so embarrassing. every pair of. pants you look like a little kid. [laughter] like like swishing around in. >> standing around, [laughter] you know? >> Totally. Every nothing fits. Nothing is. made for short shorties. >> It's really not. And now that I'm. getting a little bit older, I'm like. learning about like.

if my torso is the right length and if. this part of my body I'm just like I. don't want to know this. >> Do you have anything on your body that's. long? >> My dick. [laughter]. >> [laughter]. >> It's perfect. >> But it's also really wide, [laughter]. >> which is like, what do I do with this? >> Ladies love it. I just always told me, >> hold it and roll it. [laughter]. >> And then one, prepare for one more.

glaze. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I'm [laughter] ready. >> Well, actually, I don't know if this is. the last glaze, but prepare for another. glaze. >> Okay. But um you you are an artist that. other artists, male and female, feel. like like you are a lot of people's. favorite artists favorite artist. You. are they love working with you. They. have huge. >> tender feelings about being um in your. orbit. They on stage feel very like like.

they're kind of loving you in real time. on stage. and you've worked with a ton. of people who love working with you and. would, you know, we'd be able to get 20. people to talk about how much they love. you. Who right now, like who do you, who. are your people right now that when you. get to see them, perform with them, be. with them, they feel like they're part. of a peer group that like lift you up. and support you or people that are up on. that you're hoping to support and and. bring along for the next ride. man.

Well, I got to perform with the Linda. Lindas in London and I felt really proud. of them. I get to I get to do more stuff. with David Burn this year and I know. that's going to feel like it's weird. It's interesting cuz Linda Linda are. younger than me. David's older than me. >> Well, that's what I feel like being in. your mid30s. >> feels like is you're really. >> feeling a little. >> in the middle. >> In the middle. Yeah. And u um you know. if you know if your 20s are figuring out.

what you want to do, then your 30s are. kind of figuring out what you don't want. to do. And so you're kind of letting go. of things that aren't working for you. anymore. But that vacuum gets filled. with cool stuff like and you're looking. ahead and back. Like it's I mean what do. you think your 30s feel like. >> or have felt like? >> Honestly enjoying you talking about it. because I. >> 30s are weird. Like it's. >> they're weird. Especially the middle of. my 30s. I still felt very young in my. early 30s. Like I still felt very um. what's the difference between 28 and 32?

I felt like it was all the same. Something happened at 35. >> I started seeing myself like seeing. pictures and being like, "Oh, that's. different.". >> Um but I also still feel spritly and. have energy and and almost like a. renewed passion that makes me want to. >> like live it all up. >> Yeah. It's It's just a I didn't expect. 30s to be like this. >> Well, I mean, did I guess I want to know. >> what did you expect 30s to be like? Is. it funny when we're younger? Like when.

I'm like, what feels old? Because I I. I'm here to tell you I'm 54. I don't. feel any I don't feel. >> old. But when I was a young person, if. someone was like, "She's 50." It would. be like, "Oh my [laughter] god, >> that's the oldest number I can think. of." And but it's so funny here to tell. you from like dis sending you a dispatch. from 54. I don't feel that different. >> It really excites me. >> Yeah.

>> It excites me because I see like cuz to. being 36 when you say 54, maybe this is. the age where like that doesn't sound. old to me. That doesn't that doesn't. scare me. I think it sounds better than. 36 in a lot of ways. harder to be in the. middle. >> Yeah, the middle hard. The middle's. hard. Hell is the hallway. >> Hell is the hallway. >> Life is a highway, but hell. >> hell is the hallway. We just wrote a. whole song. No one's ever written any of. those words. [laughter]. Okay. And then and then the the last.

thing I'll say is that I I I see in the. in the music world what happens a lot in. in in the more like actor comedy world. which is women who are very very. different are kind of asked to be a. member of the same group and they're all. really different with different styles. and different ways of approaching things. and. >> but you have an incredible you're in an. incredible time right now for just women. in music. They're just dominating. >> Oh my god. So many different styles. >> Exactly. Yeah. I'm I'm really enjoying.

watching women on stages right now. because of what you said. It's it's so. many different personalities. I I am I. love um Mannequin [ __ ] I think. >> Yeah, they're amazing. >> They're amazing. And. >> singer. Talk about a voice. >> Yeah. Yeah. I and we just connected over. like just over DMs and um Missy was. talking about losing her voice and we. were kind of like kiking about that a. little bit and talking about this. initiative that she was she told me.

about this no music for genocide. initiative and it's just so nice again. to talk to other women in music that. like we don't have to be doing the same. thing. We don't have to. be on completely different sides of the. musical landscape, but. >> it I feel so much less alone by. >> engaging in it more. And I I just it's. so exciting. Also, like I was just. telling my friends this morning, I I. normally listen to like, you know, I I.

like bands and I like heavy music and I. like weird, you know, I like all the. stuff that's happening in Copenhagen. right now. What's happening in. Copenhagen? Oh, there's such a great. music scene in Copenhagen. It's what? >> Yes, I'll send you a playlist. It is. >> I would love it. It's Is it all It's. like heavy heavy Copenhagen. >> No, it's it's not heavy. It's a It's a. vibe. And I've always liked music from. that from like Scandinavian artists, you. know. But also, I just like was. listening to um I put on this Olivia.

Dean song. >> called A Man I Need. And I start and I. was like, "Oh, I know it." Cuz I've seen. the clips all over the internet. >> And I started singing along to it. and I. started crying to it. And I think it's. because it's so it feels joyful. It. feels very feminine. It's not my mouth. doesn't make those shapes very often and. my body like really responded to it. So, um I just Yeah, there's so many. different types of music happening right. now that I'm so inspired by. >> That's awesome.

>> Yeah, it's fun. >> And what are you listening to, watching, reading? What do you do to laugh? What. do you do when you want to get up uh you. know get on the elevator and get up out. of the. >> like what makes you laugh? >> Wayne's World. [laughter] It's my. favorite movie of all time. >> Let's talk about how much we how great. Wayne's. >> Can we please talk about it? I mean, Dana Carvey was. instrumental for me when I was he was. in, you know, like you always kind of. fall in love with the SNL cast that you. saw when you were like 13, 14.

>> and he him and Jan Hooks and like that. cast, Bill Hartman and Mike Myers was an. improviser who came out of the theater. that I studied at. So Mike was a kind of. an example of like one of us can make. it. >> Wow. >> He kind of came up through that system, that Chicago system and got on SNL. So. those two were and but what do you like. about Wayne's World? >> I [laughter]. >> Why does Wayne's World make you laugh? >> Well, so my parents were really young. and I I think that's why I got to grow. up on stuff like that from the early. early 90s or the late ' 80s.

>> And um I thought that's how we would. dress when we became adults. >> I was like this is how adults dress. We. wear fishnetss under denim ripped up. shorts. We wear flannels over Aerosmith. T-shirts. And I literally dress like. that. I mean, I just I that movie has. it's like the Godfather to me. >> Like I quote that movie all the time. >> What's your one of your favorite scenes. in Wayne's World? >> Oh, this is good. Well, it's probably.

the dreamw weaver scene. It's probably. when they first see Cassandra. >> and um that gorgeous woman played by Tia. Carrera. >> Tia Carrera, my queen. >> Incredible. Oh, >> and uh Chris Trager's Rob Low is in um. Wayne's World. Uh Rolo, as we like to. call him, >> you know, I did not like Rob Low until. much later in his career. >> He was bad in Wayne's world. Like he was. the the villain in Wayne's World. >> Yes, I I believe Parks and Wreck was my.

was the redemption tour. >> Okay, so we'll finish with Doug's two. questions because they were great. questions, of course. So good. So Doug. had two questions for you. And um and by. the way, make sure you check out Wayne's. World. >> if you haven't seen Wayne's World. What. the [ __ ] Honestly. >> Yeah. >> Do you have to bleep curse words? >> No, >> you don't. >> We don't have to bleep on this. >> Oh my god. FIGHT THE POWER. [laughter]. >> YEAH. INCREDIBLE. It's so incredible. >> Freedom. >> Um freedom. Um okay. He had two great. questions. One was um you know how.

Batman has a symbol in the sky that. calls Batman? [laughter] Yeah. >> What would Haley Williams symbol be? [laughter]. >> And it can be anything. >> Yes. Do you know in Wayne's world when. they're driving in the Gremlin. and it's the middle of Bohemian Rap City. when the guitar like kind of breaks down.

>> and the camera pans up and there's like. a car on top of a pole. I think it's a. car. It's like a sign for something and. it it would be like that, but it would. just be the gremlin. [laughter]. >> It would be way. >> and it would have a glow behind it. >> You would see it in the sky and be like, >> "Got to go. [laughter]. >> Got to go. >> It's time.". [gasps]. >> You know what I mean? >> Yeah. Got to get in there. Got to get in. that world. >> It would be like that. And and. >> very faintly from a distance, Bohemian.

Rapsy might even be playing a little. Yeah. [laughter]. >> What's your favorite part of Bohemian. Rap City? >> Um, >> it's uh. you think. that's my favorite part, >> of course. And then the um the the next. question, which is wild, is. what [laughter] what is the last song.

that you want to hear before you die? [laughter]. Okay. Oh, no. >> I know. And your and and. do you feel like you would know it? >> Staying alive. >> That was always my funeral song, but. [laughter] I suppose it would be kind of. cool to go out to it as well. >> And you know, want to add an extra layer. to it. That is supposedly the beat that. you're supposed to do CPR to. >> Stop. >> Mhm. Stay in. That's when we learned.

CPR. It was like ha ha ha ha. [laughter]. Stay alive. Stay alive. And then then. breathe into their mouth. >> Whoa. [laughter]. >> So, that might be what you want to hear. Doug, you got your answer. Well, um I. hope this isn't too embarrassing, but. we're going to do a cool down with our. straws. >> Oh, yeah. With our straws. >> Yeah. Here's your straw. >> Damn. Doug has really taught you. >> He gave us He gave us a cool down, and. now I only want to do it with straws.

Can you talk us through it? Yeah, we do. a few different versions and it honestly. has been a moment since I've done it, which is hence why I was saying I need. to start doing it at night. But I think. the whole idea is go normally you're. going from here building up kind of up. your range. Now we're going to close. we're going to shut it down. >> Okay. So. >> let's start like not too high but just.

That's a little too low. [laughter]. >> Haley Williams, thank you so much for. being with us. >> Thank you. That was lovely. >> That felt really good. >> It did. and I love you and I love your. voice and I love spending time with you. >> I love you so much. >> There was a lot of real things that just.

happened there. I'm gonna really unpack. on my way home. >> and I I will send you a playlist. >> Yes, please. Because we need to know. what's going on in Copenhagen. [laughter]. >> You're right. >> Because I'm I'm embarrassed about how. little I know what's going on over. there. >> We need to get over there. And don't. think that for the rest of the week I'm. not going to dine out on the fact that. Haley Williams told me there's a lot of. music going on in Copenhagen. I'm going. to say it at least 10 times.

Tell everyone you know invite me to the. gas station. [laughter]. >> The block is hot in Copenhagen. You got. to tell them. >> I'm going to drop that like it's. nothing. Like I'm just going to say it. so casually. I'm not even going to make. eye contact. [laughter]. >> Hands in your pockets. Cigarette. appears. >> Okay. Friends for life. Yeah. >> Okay. Bye. >> Bye, guys. [laughter]. We're going to stay here, but you're. going to go. >> Thank you so much for coming, Haley. You. are well, you're my new best friend,

whether you know it or not. Um, and uh, we'll be friends forever. Um, it was so. fun to see you. and and uh I just want. to say Haley talked about a lot of. amazing musicians and and people that. she loves to work with. But for this. Polar Plunge, I'm just reminding. everybody about two things. The great. Kathleen Hannah who, you know, started. Bikini Kill and Latigra and is an. incredible activist and musician and um. instrumental for so many women's. careers. Such an inspiration, I know,

for me and many other people. Um, and. the Linda Lindas, a band that Kathleen. has supported as well as Haley forever. They are just this really. super fun, great musicians, great vibe. I got the chance to work with them in a. movie I directed called Moxy where they. were playing at the dance and um they're. just they're just so fun. And so check. out music from the Linda Lindas and.

always bow down to the great Kathleen. Hannah and thank you Haley Williams. always um for all that you do. Can't. wait to see what's next. Okay, thanks. Bye. You've been [music] listening to Good. Hang. The executive producers for this. show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss. Berman, and me, Amy Polar. The show is. produced by The Ringer and Paperkite. [music] For The Ringer, production by. Jack Wilson, Cat Spain, Kaia McMullen, and Aia [music] Xenerys. for Paperkite. production by Sam Green, Joel Levelvel, and Jenna Weiss [music] Berman. Original.

music by Amy Miles. >> Was a really good [music and singing]. Hey.