Brandi Carlile | Good Hang with Amy Poehler

Hello everyone and welcome to another. episode of Good Hang. We have the. talented, funny, warm, incredible Brandi. Carlile joining us today. And boy, I. feel like we became really good friends. in this interview and we talked about so. many good things. We talked about her. music and meeting her heroes. We talked. about hair and the changing hairstyles. and how that defines you. We talked. about her new record, Returning to. Myself, and how great it is.

And um we may have even harmonized a. little bit. So get ready for that. But uh before we. start this interview, we always talk to. a person who knows our guest and uh. wants to give me a question to ask this. guest. And boy, we have a star in her. own right, an incredibly talented. singer, songwriter, musician from Texas, Maren Morris. Maren, you know from all. of her hits, from The High Women which. she performed with Brandi, and she's. just incredible. And uh we are so. thrilled to have Maren with us today. So.

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Manchester tonight. So I'm backstage. Oh. gosh, you're in pre-show mode. Yeah, but. I got ready a little bit earlier today. to look okay for you. Um. and yeah, it's it's kind of nice weather. today, like breezy, good walking. weather. Um but yeah, I'm excited. >> We're talking to Brandi Carlile today. Um really appreciate that you're here to. talk to us about her because the work. that you. you did together um.

uh with with The High Women was was so. special. When did you first meet Brandi? Well, thank you so much. I remember when. I met you at that uh Beatles event, you. had mentioned um that you you loved The. High Women album, which was that record. I think a few months later I was on The. Tonight Show talking to Jimmy and he. brought up the picture of us and I was. so embarrassed because I was crying when. I met you. I'd already had like three. glasses of wine.

>> [laughter]. >> Oh my gosh, you were so sweet to me that. night. Um of course. You're just it's. such a pleasure to meet you. I love your. music. Thank you. Uh but yeah, The High. Women record, that was like pretty early. in my relationship with Brandi. I think. we just clicked and we met randomly at. this event in Nashville where. I was receiving. an award for something, but they were. also doing a bunch of duets that night. And so I remember Brandi. um and I both sang.

uh Carole King also Aretha Franklin's. You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman. And having been a Brandi fan since. probably junior high, uh. being able to sing that song with her. and just go toe-to-toe vocally. um was so fun. I think it was probably a. few months later, um Brandi called me. and again, it was like the day or the. week my second record was coming out and. I was at 30 Rock. I was at The Tonight. Show randomly and um.

just in the dressing room about to go. on. She calls and she's like, "I'm. putting this girl group together. and I want to know if you want to be a. part of it. It's going to be me, Amanda. Shires, and Natalie Hemby." And I was. like, "Uh-huh." And she goes, "It's kind of. like a a tribute or extension of The. Highwaymen, like the Willie Nelson, Kris. Kristofferson, Johnny Cash. Waylon Jennings. um record." And I was like, "Oh my god,

I'm in." I didn't really have any more. questions. I didn't have any questions. Um Amazing. And it was just. yeah, like a sort of microcosm event. because we did that one album. We did a few shows. We did like Newport. Folk Festival. Brought out Dolly Parton, which was. insane. Um. but a lot of these really major career. moments. uh like that I treasure, that are my. crown jewels, are the the High Women. experiences. Uh what was it like singing. with Dolly Parton? You need to interview.

her. I think that would Okay. Yeah, sure. Dolly, Maren said that we. would be great together. >> [laughter]. >> She just moved from the long list to the. short list. We're good. Dolly, anytime, anywhere. Um yeah, she's. a just a a legend and a and a real hero. of mine. What was she like to be around? I think very few people, I'll include. you in this, um exceed your expectations. when you have such a.

a surveyed like history, watching. someone or being inspired by someone. from afar. So yeah, just exceeded. expectations. Is really punctual. I love. Of course she is. Because I put such a. precedence on being on time. Oh wow, of. course Dolly is very punctual. Actually, she was early. Of course she. was. Can you imagine running late for. Dolly Parton? That is a stress dream. Like can you imagine just like in. traffic and you know Dolly's waiting for.

you? >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, just disappointing her. I just. think I'd I'd probably quit music. [laughter]. Totally. Just say you just call ahead. and you say, "I'm sorry, I'm not going. to make it in time. I quit. I quit. music, Dolly." [laughter]. No, she's so lovely and um she's. obviously just like hysterical, dressed. to the nines. Mhm. I. I mean, I assume she's maybe doing her. own glam because this is like sort of a. not filmed day in the studio, but she's.

putting us all to shame because she's in. full hair and makeup, like 8-in heels. We're both quite short. Um so we bonded. over that. >> are you? I'm 5'1". Ooh. How tall are you? >> I'm a towering 5'2". Ooh. What's it. What's it like down there? >> [laughter]. >> Also, this is something that I hope that. I take away when I hopefully do this. decades and decades on is that she sings.

every one of her songs in the original. key of the year it came out. >> Dang. A lot of people have to as they. age, and sometimes women um our voices. mature at like I think they say like 35. or 36. I think about that with. songwriters that are people starting to. be aware in their 30s and 40s that they. need to sing in lower keys. Yeah, I. mean, I found out the hard way. Like. Yeah, when you go out. Yeah, and then. you have to do it live and you're like, "I made this way too high.".

Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> But uh. yeah, just incredible singer. Um Brandi. like really. made it happen. I feel like she's she's. reached out to these icons over the. years and brought them into a space. where we can fall in love with them over. and over again. That's what I want to. talk to her about is she is really good. at exactly that, drawing out the heroes. of hers and of ours and kind of bringing. them in and making them feel. comfortable. Like she's she feels like.

she's you you said it yourself, she's. like a doer. She makes things happen. She's a producer. She's also a good. host. You know, she's just making people. feel comfortable, but also, which I. really relate to, she's quietly making. them do things without them knowing that. they're being pushed. Like she's a. pusher to get things done, but everyone. feels good when that's happening. That's. a rare combination. I think that being. able to go witness something. really communal and almost like church,

but for people that want to come. together in a way that feels inclusive. and safe for all. And. um. yeah, just connect through these magic. vibrations. I think, you know, just. that's that's her her rare gift. >> That's so cool. Okay, so do you have a. question that you think I should ask. Brandi today? I'm just wondering as she. watches her girls get older and she's. making music and touring and. collaborating and achieving these. incredible dreams she has, um.

yeah, the integration of family. throughout that. Um. I feel like has always been really at. the forefront for her and Catherine. And. I'm just wondering like as her girls get. older, because my son's now 5 and 1/2, um. like what what is it like when they go. to shows now? Like are they excited to. be there? Are they proud? Are they over. it? >> That's a great question. And actually, it's a question it that you know, it.

speaks to the bigger idea of like being. a working mother. How does your kid want. you to. uh you know, divide your time and and. how do you divide your time and how do. you make your kid feel really seen and. um and also, how do you pursue your. dream and not and be like a good model. for what it looks like to be a woman who. loves to you know, loves what she's. doing. So it's yeah, it's it's a It's a. I think working women are always asking. each other and I think that's what women. do so well is they say, "How do you do.

it? And what are you doing? And how did. it change? And what did How did five. look different than 10?" And Yeah, great. question. Great question. Brandi I'm. obsessed with you. >> I really appreciate that you're talking. to us on the. before our show. Thank you for that. >> No, thank you. It's so good to talk to. you. Have a great show. Break a leg. Okay. See you soon. Thank you again. >> [music]. >> This episode is brought to you by. Allstate. Checking Allstate first could. save you hundreds on car insurance.

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app for details. Brandi Carlile is here and we're talking. already about SNL because you love doing. SNL. I love it, yeah. >> And you love the time pressure. Yes, I. think that watching all those people. thrive under pressure is just it's a. really unique thing. You don't see that. anywhere else. I know. And we were. saying that like the idea of like time. like a minute or two in SNL time feels. like years. Mhm. Because I've done live. things where they get you ready Mhm. and.

they put you at the side of the stage. and you're like, I I know I have two. more awards before my award or whatever. >> minutes. >> 40 minutes. They [laughter] get you out of your. seat. You're like, at SNL you'd be. having dinner uptown. Exactly. They. don't even come into your dressing room. or give you a warning at two minutes. That's like Yeah. Brandi Hi. Hi. I love. you so much. >> god, same. I love you. I was very, very. excited to talk to you today. And I you. know, there's a million things I want to. talk to you about today, but. I want to stay in the present for a.

second because. I'm loving your new record. Thank you. I. love all of your music. Uh but this one feels very, very it. feels like it. >> [laughter]. >> not to imprint myself on it, but it. really feels like it's speaking to me. Um and you know, it it's Returning to. Myself came out in October. As we start. today, I want to ask you about the push. and pull between being like introvert, extrovert. Your push and pull between. being a connector and wanting community. and like needing time to yourself.

>> Mhm. And I was kind of joking with. someone that I was saying, "What I love. about Brandi's new record is is it feels. like it's like, can I have five minutes. to myself, please?". >> [laughter]. >> That's what it feels like. That's in the. subtext and not very many people have. seen that about it, but you have. [laughter]. And and I you know, when I when I've. been learning about you, it's like, you. know, you have. definite benevolent natural captain. energy and you like to bring people. together and you you know, you live with. a lot of people, you have a lot of.

people around you, you live a life. that's very big and has a lot of people. around and I love that a lot of the. songs on this record are about can I. just like figure out what I what I. actually want? Like who am I in real. time and when I'm alone? >> Mhm. Is the music about that? Is the is. the record about. what is it like to be alone? Well, it's. definitely about who am I when I am. alone. Who are you when you're alone? >> Yeah, well, I have. sort of yet to figure that out. Same. >> And Really? Yeah. Is it because you. prefer the company of other people and.

then don't take the time? Yes, I yeah. Yeah, that's the thing. So, I don't. know. Yeah. And I've gotten to an age. now where I've learned that that's sort. of seen as maybe unevolved in some ways. And I got kind of self-conscious about. it within the last year or two. And went, "Oh, am I is do I have a. made-up mind? Am I a bit unevolved that. I haven't learned who I am when I'm. alone?". That's so Have you ever thought about. doing a silent retreat? I have thought. about it. Does it scare you?

It just really turns me off. Like I just. find that appalling. >> [laughter]. >> It's like, what? Eight days of no. talking? Oh, waste of time. And I'm. doing a podcast as you can tell I like. love talking. [laughter]. But yeah, it's like, okay. And I'm always fascinated by people who. are silent in general. I'm always. fascinated by people who. stay still. Mhm. Am I I I do find you. have a stillness. You're not a And. again, I'm just getting to know you, but.

I but I I don't feel like you have a. hectic energy. Um. No, I don't think I do and in terms of. other than just committing to a lot of. things all the time. Yes. And that would. my So, my wife would tell you that I am. I am chaotic in that way. Yeah. But like. not to bring up um. uh trim carpentry right away, but. yesterday I had the day off. Have you. heard about We've been talking about. trim carpentry on this episode. Yes. Kate McKinnon. >> [gasps]. >> Yes. big fan of trim carpentry and said.

she spoke to you about trim carpentry. >> Yeah, and and then I heard that you are. also a fan of trim carpentry, but are. intimidated by working with wood. Big. time because Nick Offerman, friend of. the pod, friend of mine, also incredible. woodworker. I'm sure he's into trim. carpentry. >> Sure. As you would be. That just seems to me. like next level. What does trim. carpentry have to do with what we're. talking about? >> reason I was going to. >> [laughter]. >> The reason. I had the day off yesterday and I just.

spent six hours caulking window trim, just trim carpentry. For just six hours. All I was doing was caulking, just. filling in gaps with like a. bronze-colored caulk and nail holes and. kind of perfecting the appearance of the. carpentry and I was doing it with this. guy that I used to play in a band with. when I was a teenager. And he's like. what I guess he's one of my best. friends. We only see each other once. every few years, but when we do, we just. get together and don't talk. Wow, that's. nice. Mhm. There's like a bag of Fritos.

involved. There's like a bad radio. station and there's just some curses of. it, you know, occasionally when a. mistake is made. And I wouldn't have done that day That's. not how I would have spent the day if I. had had the option option to do it. alone. I wanted to spend the day with. him not talking. Yes. And so that's how. I do my time with other people. I'd. rather be together, but that doesn't. mean that I want to like. lay myself down across the puddle like a. jacket to spend time with you. We may.

not talk. You know, your music reminds me of this. feeling and the record does too, which. is that feeling when you're in another. room and you can hear people talking. Like there's a party I love that. feeling. Me too. Cuz I like the party I. want the party I want people around, but. I want to not be talking. When's your. birthday? September 16th. I wonder if. that's characteristic of your sign. >> Why are you What's your sign? I'm a. Gemini. Oh, June 1st. Okay. It's a very. outward person.

I can't understand Geminis. They. Yeah, that look you just gave me. I'm. getting. >> like, what are we get What are we. getting? Yeah, I know. What are we getting? What's the real. deal, Gemini? Twin City. >> Yeah, I know. I don't know. You tell me. Did you feel like when you were a kid, I. mean, you have eldest daughter energy. >> Mhm. You are like I said, you are you're. a doer. I can you you like to get things. done and you kind of quietly motivate. people in ways that they don't realize. they're being pushed. >> [laughter].

>> Stop it. Game recognize game. Game. recognize game. But okay, you grew up in. the middle of nowhere. Yeah. Was it quiet where you were and were you. alone a lot? It was chaotic. Okay. >> And I still live in the middle of. nowhere, but it was chaotic, you know? Yeah. Moved all the time, lived in tiny. places. A lot of times people lived with. us. Mhm. Um lots of friends over, lots. of jam sessions, just lots of chaos all. the time. Unpredictable Yeah. environments and I really thrive in.

those. And I still have this like Did. you have What was your childhood like? Well, suburban in many ways, but small. house and everyone very kind of on top. of each other. >> Yeah. Um and we were kind of the house. where people would come through. Mhm. So, it's nice that way because people. would come over, but busy house. Yeah, yeah. And I felt like, you know, I wanted to do a lot of hiding. Like a. lot of like going into the woods and. going like, you know, getting on my bike. and just like Yeah. like balancing quiet. time and and busy time. But But a lively.

house full of a lot of love. Yeah. I. just realized my house like we we we. just driving our My house felt like. Saturday Night Live. No way. People. moving [laughter] giant pieces of. furniture. >> Everything to the last second, tons of. pressure, anything could change, nothing. is guaranteed. Anything. >> a lot of ADHD in the house? I mean, probably entirely, I would think. I. mean, I would think it's like everyone. would would be would fall into that. category. >> Waiting until the last minute. So, that. explains why I love being there so much. because I'm like, why am I just thriving.

in this environment? >> crushing like right before the deadline. >> Yeah, just loving it. >> But that helps with performing, I think, because you just. you know, you can only have like so much. time in the day where I mean, some. people. spend their whole day getting ready for. their performance, but you just have to. kind of create. like a countdown for the performance. You can't stay performance ready all. day. No, and I mean depending on like. what your zone is and like what kind of. performer you are too, the the the. element of like risk involved gets.

really um can get really heavy. Like I. know exactly how to sing. Like so if I'm it just almost doesn't. matter how high the stakes are. Like if. I'm going to sing, I'm going to be okay. But I have this theory that. that. and I mean I could be wrong and this is. not to downgrade anybody else's um pros, but I think that like musicians are. obsessed with comedians. Have you not.

noticed that? Well, here's my theory. >> Okay, tell me. Every comedian wishes they were a. musician and every musician thinks. THEY'RE A COMEDIAN. >> [laughter]. >> BECAUSE I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY OF. musicians have been like, "I'm really. funny." And I'm like, "Okay.". >> [laughter]. >> WELL, I'M GLAD THEY think that. >> we we get along. We get along. Yeah. Because I think we really appreciate. what the other does and there's a. similarity, but also we sometimes feel.

like I like I love I. my some of my favorite memories of SNL. is watching musician. Like I just am in. awe of what musicians get to do. But. what do you think? Why do you think we. kind of love each other? I think that, you know, musicians kind of worship. comedians because of the risk that. they're taking. Like we know what it. means to do our thing and then have that. die to no reaction. And and then I think comedians just.

just think they're at the top of the. pyramid. Well, [laughter] they wish they. were anyone else. That's what I just. said. >> Because they're so intelligent. Well, and they also are like the cockiness to. your point. You have to be cocky to get. out there and bomb or you're really in. trouble. >> what do you do? It's like it's like I. like I said, I can sing no matter how. high the stakes are. And if I'm going to. play 12 songs, it's not the 12 songs I'm. afraid of. It's the 15 seconds in. between the songs and what I have to say. in that moment. That's what I'm afraid. of. >> Okay, that's that's why. I'm not a musician because I would have.

no problem with that, but the singing. Oof. So if we like recreated the Indigo. Girls, like if we were a band together, your banter and my singing would be. unstoppable. >> [laughter]. >> You know, this is early in the. interview, but I don't want to talk to. you about your heroes, but can we just. talk about the Indigo Girls for a. second? >> All day long. Okay. First of all, the fact that one of them. was called Amy was already like a dream, Emily and Amy.

They you just you. heard them like when you were like a. teenager, right? 14, 15 and you said. like they really. motivated you to pick up a guitar. You I. mean, you were singing, but. what was it about them when you heard. them? Cuz I have a theory about it what. it was for me, like what I why I was and. it's the same way I feel about your. music. So go ahead, you first. Well, I. heard their voices first in that film. Philadelphia. They were covering that. Rod Stewart "I can tell by your eyes.

that you've probably been crying. forever.". And I was like, "What is that tone?". Like they don't sound. male or female. They don't sound like. they're singing to the same people that. everyone else is singing to. There was. just something galvanizing about their. voices and the way they were making. music that just like pulled me out of. myself as like a 14-year-old, made me. curious about who they were. Wasn't even one of their songs. And.

that's when my friend from school, Briana Grayco, loaned me her. um. Swamp Ophelia CD and I was like, "What. is this? Listen to these harmonies. Like. who's singing when? It's staggered. It's. out of time. It's amazing, you know, and. the drums really. I just became so obsessed with their. musical complexity and harmonies that I. just became devoted and disciple. I went. to everything they ever did. I sat in. the line all day at like from morning. till night. As a major fan, still a.

major fan. What drew you to them? >> sometimes it feels like there's. different artists. There's artists that. are in their own simulation, their own. kind of. uh world and you get to come in and. peek, but they're in their worlds. Like. >> Right. Like and it has a style of dress. and a style of speak and like a. presence. There's a culture around that. artist. >> visit their world and you're and you get. to just peek in. And then there are. artists and I consider you one of them. who are relaxed in the in and honestly. confident in their talent just like the.

Indigo Girls and they say, "Come in. Come over.". Like come over here. And they felt that. way. We wanted to sing every one of. their songs. I knew their lyrics. I felt. like I sounded like them, which. everybody who sings the Indigo Girls. think they sound good. [laughter]. They don't. We don't. But and it's the. same with your music. Like when I sing. along to your music, I'm like, "I think. I'm really good." Because there's a. spirit behind it that isn't. um. uh that's in that's inclusive and that. doesn't like shut the door.

It it's really it's it's it's hard to. explain, but you know what I'm talking. about? >> what you're talking about. They're so. unaffected. They sound like grown ass. women and they always have. So like when. they open their mouths to sing, their. actual voice comes out. They're not. trying to please men or certain kind of. women. They're not trying to sound like. anybody else on the radio. There was. just something so human about even with. the clothes they wore and the way that. they presented themselves. And you're. right, that does invite you in. And also. the Indigo Girls, they come to you. Like they're they're famous for like.

touring the small towns and the sheds. and the community theaters. >> and Rachel played them on SNL? Yeah, I. do remember [laughter] that. Me and. Rachel Dratch. One scene, it never it. never came back. I don't [laughter]. know. And it was the Lance Armstrong. comedians Lance comedians Lance. Armstrong was the host and Neil Young. was the musical guest. And we had Neil. come in to the Indigo Girls scene. uh and we just were like I think we were. just pretending we were doing a talk. show probably. Like, you know. And um it.

was us and like 14 dogs. Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> That is exactly how Amy lives to this. day. I think she's probably only got. eight or nine right now, but. >> [laughter]. [gasps]. >> And I feel like um we'll move off the. Indigo Girls, but I just have to say. that it feels like as a as an alto. um as a surprising alto. Um. >> [laughter]. >> Because you would think I don't know. I. think my voice I think my voice is lower. than it is, but I think it pitches quite. high. But.

switching to your point, switching back. and forth like wanting to decide if you. want to sing Emily's part or Amy's part. Can we sing? Can we sing? >> [laughter]. >> Can we sing? Okay, let's sing Closer to Fine. Here we. go. Sorry, let me get my voice. >> not only could we do could we do Closer. to Fine, we could do a deep cut. We. could do anything you want. Okay, here. we go. I'll try to do Amy's part. Okay. You start. From where? >> to the doctor. Here we go. On three. 1 2. 3. >> key What key are we in? I don't.

[laughter] know. I went to the doctor. I went to the. mountains. I should be lower. Yeah, so I. think your your I went, that's you. I. went to the doctor. >> Okay. >> Okay. 2 3 4. I went to the doctor. I. went [singing] to the mountains. I. looked to. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. [ __ ] hell. >> right there though. You're in the zone. 2 3 4. I went to the doctor. I went to.

the mountains. [singing]. I looked to the children. I drank from. the fountains. Girl, YOU GOT IT. [screaming]. LOOK AT HOW GOOD YOU ARE, BRANDY. MAKING. ME FEEL SO GOOD. [laughter]. IF I HAD a guitar, we would do nothing. else but cover Indigo Girls for the next. hour. >> I'm totally sweating. I'm so sweating. >> [laughter]. >> That was so exciting. [gasps].

Who was But who was who was the first. person that told you you had a good. voice? Cuz when someone says, "You have a good. voice," like it you remember it for a. lifetime. No one's ever asked me that. before. I think it was my grandma Dolores. or or my mom. and then definitely me. I really felt. like I had a good voice at like seven. years old. But [laughter] I didn't. When I listen. back to it now, I'm like, "What is. that?" Oh, at seven? >> Yeah, yeah. You know, but [laughter] I.

actually got on stage for the first time. as like an 8-year-old. I got in like a. community theater show. called the Northwest Grand Ole Opry. where we reenacted the Grand Ole Opry. So cute. And you'd go on Wednesday night. and you'd teach the Opry band your song. and then they'd get you out on Friday. and Saturday and I was like the only kid. and. and uh I did Tennessee Flat Top Box by. Rosanne Cash. And I just remember like. the very first time. I did that, I walked out on stage. and I I wasn't nervous. I had glasses on.

and I could remember the lights in my. glasses and seeing the kind of. silhouette of like 300 people and being. like, "This is where I belong. This is the safest, most understood and. loved place I could I could ever. I could ever be. Like this is my job. now.". And it just not never it never went. That just stayed. Wow. And so the. audience told you that you could sing. Like in that moment, the audience was. like, "Yes, we accept you here. You're.

great." And you knew it. So great. >> whole thing, they would come up to you. at the end of the show and you'd sign. their program and you'd sign your little. autograph and I just remember thinking, "Yeah, no, this is it. This is my job.". Wow. That's awesome. I mean, that's a. that's a good example, too, of like. feeling calm in stressful situations. I. tend to get like you. I'm I'm not so. nervous when I'm doing something. Sometimes after it's done, I have like. this discharge of nerves. Does that. happen to you?

>> Yeah. I was reading. an article in The Guardian Mhm. that is. It was such a smart article and it made. me feel so like stupid, but kind of. proud to be stupid. Mhm. Where it. basically says that like that what. you're talking about is totally. necessary in terms of performers. These. like It's such a. unnatural thing to have your your. psychosympathetic nervous system to do. what we do. Mhm. That you have to lack. an element of contextual intelligence to.

do it. >> [laughter]. >> Baby, I lack it. I lack it. AND THEY. THEY LIKEN it to like people that can do. penalty kicks and like free throws. >> [snorts]. >> Is like we have this thing where we. don't think that anything could go. wrong. Totally. And I'm just And I kind. of dissociate in a way of like, "Whatever, babe. What's the worst that. can happen? I get fired.". >> Exactly. Yeah. And then something does. go wrong. So, if you do miss the free. throw or you do miss the penalty, which. you do all the time, you don't think, "Well, of course I did. Chances are I. would. It's a tiny ball, tiny net." What. You just go, "That was weird. That'll.

never happen again." And it's like that. that repetition of stupidity is what. gives us our gift. [laughter]. It's so true. It is I mean, like. SNL is a really good training ground for. that. Live performance in general is. really good because you have a mistake. Do you Does this happen to you when. there's a tiny mistake? Not a terrible. Like you don't want something bad. But. when there's a tiny mistake, do you get. a little energized? Yeah. Cuz you're. like, "I got to save it." Yeah. >> one. I can't do two. Yeah, and it's a.

little bit exciting. >> Yeah, cuz two mistakes, no. But one is like kind of good. >> Do you have remember a mistake that. happened when you were performing and. you just you know, I don't know, like a. mic went out or someone didn't come and. meet get the like and you just had a. moment of like pure excitement in that. like the tingle of that? Yeah, but it. happens so often there isn't like a. notable one. There's this guy I know. that does guitar solo like this like. guitar solo master. He's a dude that. like I've toured with. just because if I can have this happen.

twice in a show, it's like takes the. show over the top. So, this dude, and he. will never admit this, but like he'll. start out his guitar solo with like a. couple of like maybe stock licks or just. like a couple of notes that are like, "Oh, those are tasteful.". And then he'll make a mistake. And you. then it rallies everyone to his to his. support. Like we rage to his side and we. go, "Oh, oh no, he's He might not have. this." Oh, so good. >> Oh god. And then he looks a little. frazzled. He shakes his [laughter] head. a little bit and he kind of does the.

next lick and it's okay. And by the end. of it, he's just shredding and you. realize that there's no way he could. ever make a mistake. But that mistake. drawing everyone in, not just to listen. to him, but to like they you want to. support him. Yeah. >> And then his victory becomes your. victory. So, one mistake does that in a. performance or a song. Two mistakes is. like she's not prepared. >> [laughter]. >> It's so true. And you're absolutely The. way you take in the mistake like, "Haha.". >> Yeah.

I've always felt this about the way you. perform and seeing you like the way you. talk about yourself and your music and. your art and the way you look at like at. the business of it all. It's supposed to be fun. Mhm. And if. you're relaxed, we're relaxed. Yeah. If. you're having a good time, we're going. to having a good time. It's like if the. bride has a good time at the wedding, it's a fun wedding. Like period, the. end. But it's a hard lesson to learn, which is. try to I mean, telling people to relax.

is really hard. >> Yeah. It's true. >> relax when you're about to perform? How. do you like How do you just You just It. just comes natural and always has? Well, I used to drink a little bit. Sure. And if you. >> Sure. That works. >> drank a little bit and then you stopped. drinking a little bit before you got on. stage, then it's like starting over from. never having drank a little bit. So, that sucked. Yeah, I don't drink. anymore. It's like I can't I can't. handle it. >> I mean. >> Like it just I just get too drunk too. fast. >> [laughter]. >> I have no tolerance. >> a lot of things really fast. Like I'm.

like a camel. Yeah. Um No, I know what. you mean. >> Like it Like I just a little bit and. suddenly you're like, "Oh, I am not on. my game. Like I'm not a shark.". >> then it's like the spiral afterwards. That's the thing I can't deal with. And. then like pretend the spiral just. happened in front of like you know, a. few thousand people. >> then like whatever you say, like you. have to like stand by that the next day. >> Right. So, that's not We're back to the. few minutes before between the song. >> Back to the few [clears throat] minutes. Yeah. >> between the song where you decide to get. like. >> [snorts]. >> overtly political in like an unironic.

way or or you just you make the joke and. >> [snorts]. >> you know, you were in The Pick of. Destiny. Yeah, Tenacious D. >> Yeah. I'm not going to tell the story. again. I just told the story on Stern. It'll It'll Oh, you already told Well, I. don't want any Stern I don't want any. sloppy Stern seconds. >> [laughter]. >> Stern seconds. But you were in the film. When you I I love Howard, but you when. you when you're on Stern, you got to. give Stern a good story. Like you got to. bring some meat to I'm going to tell you. the story and you can tell it if you. want to, but I just think that you. appreciate it I guess because we're on.

the subject of drinking. >> [snorts]. >> and then getting on stage in front of. people. So, I thought everyone had seen The Pick of. Destiny. And I mean I don't mean to be. offensive, but like not everyone has. seen The Pick of Destiny. >> who should People This is Jack Black and. Kyle Gass as Tenacious D. >> Yes. So, Jack Black is in a band. called Tenacious D, which made a movie. called The Pick of Destiny, which is a. real cult classic. It's a cult classic, but it was my favorite movie and I had. memorized every line and these guys. because this was like how I, you know, I. was in bands like this. They have to win. the Battle of Bands cuz they have to pay.

their rent, but they're never going to. win the Battle of Bands without The Pick. of Destiny, which is like a a piece of. the devil's horn or toenail or. something. >> Sure. So, and it's like but to win the. Battle of Bands, they have got got to. learn a couple of moves and one of the. moves is called the rock slide. The. other move is called the [ __ ] push-up. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, they used to do [ __ ] push-ups on. stage. >> And so, my audience didn't see The Pick of. Destiny, but I believed everyone had. seen [laughter] The Pick of Destiny. Right. >> So, I was in Las Vegas and I was on.

stage and I was having a few drinks and. I decided to jump off the drum riser. >> [gasps]. >> And my Brandy. >> knees knees just didn't hold. They just. buckled. And so, I kind of like went on. my knees and I kind of styled it and I. did like the the rock back on the knees. thing and. after the song, I stood up. And this is the this is why I'm afraid. of the 15 seconds between the songs. And. I said to the audience, I said, "Well, now that you've seen my rock slide, >> [laughter]. >> now it's time for my [ __ ] push-up.".

>> This is a good This is a good story for. Stern. And that. >> [laughter]. >> that didn't go over. Nobody knew. NOBODY KNEW I BRANDY WAS TELLING, you. know, a couple thousand middle-aged. lesbians that she was going [laughter]. to do A [ __ ] PUSH-UP. DO YOU HAVE A SO, I DON'T DRINK ANYMORE. [laughter]. Are you done drinking? I'm not done I'm done drinking and. working. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just think. [laughter] it gets harder as we get. older. I just think it's like everything. is harder and and everything is better.

>> Yeah. Like is What's good about getting. older? Well, I mean, What do you think is good about getting. older? >> this migraine medication in my pocket at. all times. You're [laughter] full of [ __ ] Not a. sponsor. Not a sponsor. >> No, it's unsponsored, but that's just. there. >> Yeah. Okay, so I can't really drink. Um Well, so can we talk about these. packages? I'm not going to. How do you get into it? >> You rip it apart with your teeth because. you're desperate. >> cuz you have your own [laughter] teeth. Not everybody has their own teeth.

So, what were you asking? How is it to. get older? Okay, so anyway, yes, getting. older. >> [laughter]. >> Every year I get older, I love being. older more than I loved being younger. Yeah, me, too. >> I just love it. I like everything. I. like the way that my reverence has grown. and sense of humor has changed. I choose. myself in more situations. >> I like the way my face looks. I like, you know, I like it. Yeah, me, too. I. mean, I don't think enough people talk. about it. They just don't talk about. like I mean, 50s have I'm 54. The 50s.

have been my favorite decade. Oh, by. far. >> think is going to happen. >> Oh, by far. My 50th birthday was so fun. I mean, I know there's a lot that comes. along with it and especially for people. who don't feel like they're in the place. they should be. Like that feels really. hurt can be really hurtful and stressful. or they're not with the person they. should be with or they've [snorts] had a. lot that they've gone through. But I. don't think enough people talk about um. how it just can get better and better. and better. We're just so We're just so. obsessed with youth, you know, and Yeah.

We really We really And I love young. people, too. >> Yeah, me, too. >> [laughter]. >> I love I love young people and I'm. always like, "Oh, enjoy that space. Be. there." You know, and I have kids, too. And I'm like, "Oh my god, be a kid. Be a. kid." But if I'm really honest, that. wasn't my favorite part of my life. Even. if, you know, I walked in front of a bus. tomorrow. and I got to like my life flash before. my eyes, I think I'd probably see the. last 5 years. Yes. Yeah, very cool. Yeah.

I mean, there's a lot of young people. that love you and. relate to you and feel seen by you. Mhm. And love your music. And you do this. thing I think for a lot of people where. you bridge. um. older artists and bring them back into. this like present world. And there's a. you know, a million people that you work. with, incredible artists. First of all, what is it like to work with your. heroes? Like Elton John, Joni Mitchell. Like when you meet them, how do you.

manage that feeling of Indigo Girls. where you are like I was a young Brandy. was a fan waiting outside and now we're. together. and I'm going to, you know, I'm kind of. helping produce this thing we're doing. together. How do you. What's that feeling like? How do you do. it? >> [snorts and gasps]. >> That's a really good question and it's a. sacred feeling. It's a really sacred. feeling because like and I guess also. the older I get and the more young. people do come up to me and say things. to me that I remember saying to my.

heroes. It like I'm I'm that kind of. fan. Like I'm a wait outside your tour. bus kind of fan. So like I'm hearing. these words and I'm like I remember. those words. And I'm just remembering. like I'm just understanding how full. circle life can be and how human. we all are. I actually don't see I don't. even understand like what a fan is. without the context of me, you know, because everybody that like I I really. idolize like I've got to be friends. with. And so there is a part of that.

>> [clears throat]. >> that never goes away. And it's sort of. like sneaks up on you like deja vu or. something. You'll be in an interaction. that is feeling totally normal and then. suddenly one thing will flash. through the room and you'll be like oh. my god, this is Elton John. Yeah. >> And it's like those moments are I really. cherish them. I just grab them and hold. on to them and I go yeah, yeah, you did. it. You did it. Yeah, and it's and it's. also an indication that you're still. in touch with that part of yourself.

Like you you don't feel like above it or. beyond it or over it. >> Mhm. Yeah. That's really cool. Yeah. And. staying in touch with that part of. myself. keeps me honest in my responsibility. within my job to to other people that. like my music and and you know, buy that. concert ticket and get the babysitter. and and you know, get dressed up and go. out for the night. Like. I'm really going to show up for that gig. because I just understand. What's Elton like? I've never met him. and he seems incredible.

>> [snorts]. >> Like also he's always discovering new. artists. >> Yeah, always. Like he's really into new. music all the time. >> You've never met him? No. See, that's. the other thing is most people have met. Elton. Mhm. Because he's so social and. he's just so like you will meet him. Mhm. Like a real extrovert? Absolutely. love him. Total extrovert. But like one. of those people that's reached. uh maybe the most um iconic. status that you can possibly. um reach with absolutely no trace of. narcissism.

Woah. >> I know. Like he's competitive and he's. intense and he knows he's Elton John. >> Oh god, I know, so do I. I mean I have a. lot of friends You know, you got to want. to try to win a little bit. But he will. ask you questions and listen to your. answers and be just genuinely intrigued. like by you, you know. And that's why. he's discovering all these younger. artists. Yeah, yeah. >> exceptional man. Once in a once in a. millennium man. And you and you've. worked with Dolly who just. That's another one. What is it like to. sing next to Dolly? What does that feel.

like? It It's Dolly. >> She's impeccable. She does not miss. So. the standard is like so high. Like. Dolly is the boss. And so when I show up. for Dolly like I show up on time, buttoned all the way up to the top. button and I don't miss. I know. everything I'm supposed to do. And. she doesn't like ask you to meet that. standard, but it's there. Like Dolly has. high expectations and she Yeah, she's. just amazing amazing.

>> And the work you've done recently with. Joni, by Joni's side, is just so cool. It felt like you were you were the. professional and the fan at the same. time. That's such a nice thing to say. Oh, that's such a nice thing to say. A. nice. way. to look at it. I felt like a student. Mhm. a lot of the time because the music. was so. wildly [snorts]. um. complex and inaccessible to me at first.

Even though I was a fan of it, I had. never had to get inside of it. >> Mhm. and learn phrasing and learn, you. know, the key changes, the melody. It's. a roller coaster. The melodies are. roller coasters. You don't having those. twists and turns ready. Mhm. And then. take that and combine it with the fact. that Joni doesn't ever like to do the. same thing twice. And then if she thinks. if she thinks you know what she's going. to do, she's not going to do it. Mhm. [clears throat] So it's a really wild. thing getting to sit shotgun next to. Joni. And as her recovery has progressed.

and she's gotten more and more and more. that way and I see the spirit of who. Joni Mitchell has always been more and. more every day that she delves into her. own music and And it must be so cool to. talk to like young teenagers who are. discovering her for the first time. Well, they come up to me en masse. That's probably the thing I. end up talking about the most and I love. it. Like I never grow tired of talking. about Joni and the Joni journey. But like younger people and much older. people alike, that is the thing everyone.

comes to me and says, "Okay, look, I've. got the Joni Mitchell's lyrics tattooed. on my arm, you know." Like really like. Gracie Abrams, like that's how I met. Gracie, you know. >> Yeah. I'm also thinking about that sweet. um. uh performer um. Benicio. Oh yeah, Benicio. Who sang the. joke with you. >> Yeah. many times, which is What an What. an incredible song. And just the way, you know, it's not easy to sing with. like legends and young people like who.

are kind of just starting out on their. journey. Like the way you performed with. I'm like Chris Farley. I'M LIKE REMEMBER. THAT? >> [laughter]. >> THAT'S MY QUESTION. DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN. YOU did it? >> I remember Benicio. >> [laughter]. >> But like that was such a beautiful. moment too and it really changed. How does a song change depending on who. you perform it with? That the. Well, first of all, the innocence of. that with Benicio, I was so impulsive.

back then. I like I would just the. school I went to, the public school I. went to in the town I I I live in, a couple times a year I'll do something. for them. I'll just go speak in an. assembly or whatever, you know. Actually. feels good to like. be cool in that school. >> [laughter]. >> Like it gives you red not as cool. Yeah, no, no one was. So I, you know, I went. there and like Benicio came up and he. sang that song and it was just it was. stunning and I was like, "I'm going to. be on TV next week. Come with me to New. [snorts] York." And I could be so. impulsive. Like the stakes were like I. don't want to say they were low, but it.

felt like the stakes were really low. like back then. Like I didn't know what. I was going to wear and I just took a. kid from my school with me, you know. And I remember like it had been no big. deal to me cuz I'd already been doing it. so much at that point, you know. And. when we they say on those. What was the What was it? Seth or was it. >> Okay, this is a great question cuz I. tried to look it up. I have a laptop. I. can't find it. >> I can't remember which one it was, but. it was It said late show, which could. mean 45 different shows. >> Yeah. I said they had the word late in. it and I thought it was Jimmy Fallon,

but then it might have been Colbert. >> late night. There's a white man host. I. should be able to find it. >> [laughter]. >> But I cannot find it. And also I'm not great at looking things. up. Well, they in those in these shows, which I love doing, they say you can go. you can retake if you need to, but you. don't. You're not supposed to. Yeah. So. um but Benicio froze. And he [snorts] totally froze and we. walked backstage at at the thing and he. was just crying and I was like, "Benny,

>> [snorts]. >> I understand. You know, it's like you're. so young and maybe I don't know. I. should have talked to you about this a. little bit more. It's okay. Like listen, you're not supposed to retake it, but. let me go out and see if they'll let us. do it again." And they did. And so the. band went back out, reset up and we and. we did it again. >> Brandy. And I just the real lesson in. that was like if there was anything. about that that was. I think really good for Benicio's growth. was. that that mistake, that failure, that.

moment of, you know, catastrophe turned into like a total. triumph. It was so triumphant and that. makes so much sense because your joy in. the way he was. singing with you. Like you could feel it. in that performance and it makes a lot. of sense that you were like really. excited that he was nailing it. >> Yeah, and it was twice the victory. because he got it together. Like that's. what you have to do. We have to pull it. together. And just That's what winners. do. Yeah. I mean not like it's a. competition, but well done, Benicio. Can.

I ask you your relationship to. your hair? >> [laughter]. >> Because I It's a deeper question for me. about how we all play around with our. masc and fem energy, basically. >> totally. >> And you, you [snorts] know, when you. were young watching Lilith Fair and then. when you came out as an artist, like. when I first saw you, you know, you had. like long hair. Mhm. And I'm curious how. how you have changed and how your hair. has changed. And like are they. connected? Yeah, and that's such a like.

interesting and intuitive question. Like. no one has ever asked me a question like. that before, but and now I'm very. conscious of my hair. I mean too. I mean. I have I think I think hair is. political, right? Like. And it and it's and it's interesting our. relationship with it and it changes all. the time and we're telling people who we. are by through it. Well, somebody asked me recently about. coming out about like when I really. truly felt like I had like stepped into. my authentic self and I just without. even thinking about it said when I cut. my hair. When I cut my hair.

And at that time in my life, yeah, if. you saw in the Lilith doc, I had like a little. boy like almost buzz cut like hair cut. And I loved it. It was so freeing. I. loved having it off my neck. I loved. that my mom hated it. I loved everything. about. >> [laughter]. >> like that hair cut. >> Yeah. And then yeah, and then I I've I. definitely have played around with and. felt comfortable moving in and out of. kind of gender.

um representation throughout all of my. adolescence. And a lot of times it would. depend on my girlfriend, like what. girlfriend I had and like what her hair. was like. But I've always liked. how I looked and changing that and and. asking myself if I liked. um you know, where I was at. And yeah, hair is like the first thing It is. >> to address, yeah. You know, we kind of. make jokes in in the world where like. someone has the same hairstyle for 40. years. But what's behind that? [laughter]. What's behind that is like a fear of.

like if I change. >> Yeah. will I recognize myself? Right. Will I. recognize myself because so many people. want to you know, they want to feel. younger, they want to feel like the. version of themselves when they were. feeling the best about themselves. >> happens. >> and so much of it is hair and like we. make fun of like men with comb overs for. example, right? Like we make fun of. people who like won't let go but like. I don't know, it's just there's just a. lot of self-esteem that comes from. um. hair. And am I making any sense here?

>> No, you're making like too much sense. Plus I do feel like for me if I wanted. to grow my hair, I don't think it would. grow long past a certain point. Yeah. >> I feel like it would like actually. physically just be like nope. >> [laughter]. >> You're getting a bob. I'm just. I'm just going to split at the ear. >> [laughter]. >> But no, I know what you mean. Like. that is that is something that that. comes in all the time and then add. queerness to that, you know, and like. the gender issue that you so intuitively. pointed out to that and then it can get.

like another layer of complication for. sure. But I have definitely seen that. when a a a central core group of. uh lesbians will like sort of like. [snorts] set a trend for themselves and. not alone by the way. Usually it takes a. team like it does with me. >> Mhm. But then you will start to see. lesbians everywhere looking like I've. noticed that me and Kate McKinnon are. morphing into each other. in more ways than one. [laughter]. I didn't say it. Okay, I want to talk to you a little bit.

about touring. You really nicely came. when Tina and I were on tour, you really. nicely came one time and did our show. which was so nice of you. I don't think you know how enthused I. was to get [laughter] to do that. I. don't think what I did to get home so. that I could do that. >> Oh Brandy, thank you. >> I it wasn't even a thank you thing. It. was like it's a thank you from me. I was. so excited to get to do that. I love you. guys so much. You said famously that. like. your your first of all, I love. everything you've done, all the movies. and everything.

Sisters was like stop right now. Pick of. Destiny W. >> [laughter]. >> but. you said that the best SNL cast is the. one when you're 13. Not not for me. It was the uh late 90s. to mid early 2000s. That was my that is. my SNL cast. So you guys are like. everything to me and I was so excited to. get to go there and do that with. >> We had an amazing couple years. I got to. say when I look at our what who I was on. SNL with at the time, it was crazy heavy. hitters. Anna, Maya, you, Tina, Rachel,

I mean Will, Horatio. Were you Did you. cross over with Chris Chris Kattan, yeah. >> [laughter]. >> Just I don't know. I'm just All I'm. saying is that you can cut this if you. want but I'm just such a fan and to get. to do that with you guys was. >> that you bring up Chris Kattan. Just. yesterday my kid was eating mango and he. was like, "Do you want the mango?" And I. was like, "Do you want to the mango?". And he was [laughter] like, "What?" And. I was like, "Oh, um there's a character. named Mango that you you want to the. mango? I'm going to show it to you.". >> [laughter]. >> I was like, "YOU HAVE NO IDEA. YOU.

HAVEN'T met Mango yet?". >> Yeah, no. Um And so but touring is its own thing. and its own you know, and and I'm sure. you have it down. You've toured a. million different ways and you figured. out like how you like to tour. What do. you like about touring and what have you. adjusted now to make you like it even. more? How do you adjust it Brandy style? So you know what I mean like oh, if I'm. going to be in the city, I'm going to. make sure that I. don't visit anybody and don't do.

anything but just do my show or I'm. going to back back time 3 hours from the. show and make sure I have a steak or. whatever. Yeah, well it's changed so. much because you've accumulated people. Yeah. and restaurants and places and. parks and walks and little you know, urban rivers to fish in in my case Yeah, you're a big fisher. You love to fish. >> So I've I've acquired memories in each. of these each of these places. They're. my place now. And so yeah, I go there. and I do all those things. And now that. I'm older and I can't sing as.

uninhibitedly as I used to when I was. younger and I used to just blow my voice. out all the time. >> I'm really careful about days off so I. wind up getting a day off usually in. most cities to sort of ex- experience. it. One thing I can't do is sleep all. day. That's not good for me emotionally. And like I said, I can't do too much. drinking. Yeah. And uh Let's talk about. sleep for a second. >> Yeah, sleep man. Do you like it? >> Well, we got to do it. >> Do you get enough? [snorts] I do. I do. What do you do? What's your. bedtime routine?

>> Okay. Well, it involves a heating pad. Have [laughter] you know about the. biomat? >> Yeah, you know Alanis Morissette just. sent me one and it's life [laughter]. changing. >> It's changed my First of all, it's. impossible to get up off of it. Once you. get on it, sucks you in like Yeah, and. you got to be so careful not to bed rot. when you're not sleeping. Like don't go. back to that bed Yeah. >> once you get out. >> biomat in your bed? I mean I've been. known to. [laughter]. For those people that don't know, it's. there's many versions of it but.

it's basically like a giant heating pad. Yes. whatever they say. And it grounds. you. >> Yeah. and it it's incredible. >> Yeah, it's incredible. And I love a. heating pad like I travel with one, you. know, um but my bedtime routine is yeah, I get on the heating pad. >> Mhm. and I take a melatonin gummy Nice. and I talk with my wife when we do the. debrief of the day. That's I think so. important for I think that's so I don't. know. Do you do that? >> Yeah, I love the I love the being able. to kind of review like have a review of.

the day. >> and the way that you saw yourself and. your own behavior. Here's somebody. else's take on it. >> Yeah. You're developing conspiracy. theories about other people or starting. to crystallize into like weird political. you know, beliefs systems. >> Yeah. You learned you went down a rabbit. hole or whatever and then you just do. have a a conversation with a human being. that knows you at night. >> Yeah. >> And it's a real head cleansing. experience. And it's also a time where.

you can kind of decide like I'm going to. drag some of these things to trash and. then some I'm going to kind of take with. me to the next day, you know? Like some I'm going to just kind of talk. through and then they're going to float. away and other things I'm going to. remember and keep. >> Yeah. And you kind of dream calibrate. >> Yeah. And and then you get. >> Do you wear an eye shade? Yeah, lately. Interesting. Ear plugs? No. I feel. claustrophobic when I put in ear plugs. >> Yeah, same. I can't do ear plugs and eye. shade I can't really do either. What's. your sleep routine and do you get. enough? I try to get so much. I love sleep so.

much. All I think about is when can I. get sleep and like how many hours can I. get and What's your mattress? I that's where I'm I need some help. >> Okay, I got some thoughts. Really? Tell me. Okay, so I'm a big. mattress person. The first the very. first thing I did when I made any money. was buy every single person I know a. mattress. >> [laughter]. >> Woah, that's such a baller move. It was like when Tempur-Pedic first came. out and and I didn't have that much. money. Some of them I financed. >> [laughter].

>> You're like, "I'm going to get this paid. someday.". >> Yes, exactly. That is awesome. >> could because of this sleep thing. Like. you know, but that was like that was. when Tempur-Pedic first came out. So I. was like a big Tempur-Pedic person. I do. not get paid by Tempur-Pedic. >> [laughter]. >> Yes. >> But I yet but I bought everyone a. Tempur-Pedic mattress and lately I've. really been into this other mattress. called the Purple mattress. Hold [snorts] on. So these two. I need a new mattress. >> Okay, these are the ones. >> and and and a new mattress is one of.

those like adult things that literally. feels impossible. Like you're like, "I. guess I can never get it like I'm really. good at adulting. I get a lot of stuff. done. I'm not a procrastinator but. something about a new mattress I'm like, "I guess I'll just never get a. mattress.". >> Why? I don't know. I don't know. It's. cuz they're really hard to lift and move. in the. >> [laughter]. >> Okay, what do you like about this. mattress? Well, I mean. Tell me this mattress. Okay, uh the. Purple mattress? Okay, so it's anything that feels like. this like zero gravity mattress. situation where you like I In my mind, I.

tell myself if I'm not like pressed up. against something hard and my like blood. can flow freely throughout my body and. my circulation is good then I'm healing. when I'm asleep. So you like you don't. like do you like a softness then? You. don't like a firm mattress? >> It's you know, it's like less blankets. more blankets. It's like a combination. of things. But I just think that like. Tempur-Pedic and Purple, these two. mattresses they provide this kind of. zero gravity feeling where if you wake. up in the middle of night, no part of. you feels pressed up against something. else. Yeah.

>> if we ever sleep in the same bed which I. feel like is a possibility. >> [laughter]. >> Don't touch me. Don't let the rumors. start. I don't want to be touched by. other people when I'm sleeping. 100%. [laughter] no touch. No, absolutely no. touching. Well, I mean also I'm a. certain age where like I have to find. cool spots a lot. I still like think. it's very hot. So and I don't like I. don't like touching. And also I've said. this many times for on the podcast and. I'm sorry I'm saying it but I wear a. CPAP machine. Oh. >> [laughter]. >> So Explain. And because I have sleep apnea.

[laughter]. We are so hot when we go to bed. >> [laughter]. >> So is that going to I think that's going. to really. >> I'm ask no ear plugs. Special mattress. No ear plugs, no biomat. >> [laughter]. >> So hot. I mean that's that's the like I. mean. >> [laughter]. >> That's true love actually. It's whoever. whoever can get past that is it's really. true love. >> Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> But what's in your rider? Do you have a. rider? Yeah, I do. Anything fun? No, it's so boring. Like.

I'm just I'm really going to. be very boring to you. Like No, people. that are have weird riders feel honestly. it feels like it's a stressful way to. get people to run around for them. It is. Yeah, because you know my best. friend her job was riders for a while. And that's kind of when I was like no my. rider is like normal. It's like what. kind of stuff you got on there? I I need. an avocado. Perfect. I need lemons. Yeah. I need. just some like LaCroix. Yeah. And it's. got to be cold. And then like tuna.

salad. Love that. >> Every show every ever I always have to. have tuna salad and bananas. And I don't like any of those things. >> [laughter]. >> But they are a part of my routine. >> [laughter]. >> But I have to have them. >> [laughter]. >> Okay, well the rider question brings me. to. we do this thing on the show where we. have people who know our guest um zoom. with me before I talked to our guest to.

speak well behind their back and also to. give me a question. So we talked to. Maren Morris today. >> Oh God, I love Maren. I know I do too. And I I mean. the Highwomen was that is such an. incredible such a great example of you. and all of those women of course but. like women working together in real time. to make really cool stuff and everyone. saying yes right away and Brandi. being the one that's like let's do it. I'm going to make it happen. Here are. the dates. Let's go and then making this. great record and performing with Dolly.

Like it just feels like that whole. experience was so awesome. Was it? It. was. It was not uncomplicated but it was. awesome and just like something I am so. proud we did and actually something I. think we should do again because it's. like that combination of women was. really interesting and wild and I want I. want that back in a way. Especially as. my well as my girls are getting. older I just they were so little when I.

did it and now you know that they are. where they are I just want to I want. them to watch us do it. Yeah. I think they'd really learn from. it and then our our kids you know like. we did that Maren. didn't have. a child yet. And you know it's like now. they're all so big Mercy's big and Sammy. Jo's big and my kids are getting big and. I just having a girl on the on the. precipice of being a teenager I think. it'll be really neat thing to show them. Well that's exactly what Maren's. question was is she was basically saying. like you have two daughters you're.

watching your girls get older they're. coming to your shows like. like you know her question was like. you know any advice you know cuz you. know Maren's got a little boy and just. and and what we were talking about was. even extrapolating from that it's just. this idea of like a working mother like. how do we figure out how to invite our. kids into the world and show them you. know it's such a great it's such a great. thing to watch your mom do what she. loves to do. It's a big deal. Yeah, it's. a big deal. And especially for young. girls so when they come and watch you do.

they. um what do you think about when they're. when they're around you when you're on. tour? I know you've brought them of. course many times on tour like what are. you thinking about now with your. daughters and and and what you want them. to see? And what do they do they like watching. you perform? The girls like watching me. perform. They're both really into sports. which is mystifying to me because I. never you know but like they were like. watching the World Series and they were. crying when the Mariners got defeated. and now they won't ever even go to. Toronto because they're so mad at the.

Blue Jays. like I have no feelings about sports. whatsoever but I'll take them to a game. and then I'll watch them watch that and. I'm like. you know. the concerts don't really register in. the same Well it's just like how do you. how do you um. uh rebel when your mom is a rock star is. you become a jock. >> [laughter]. >> Oh I hope this is not a sign of things. to come but they they seem more like and. I'm this is occurring to me as I'm. saying it. They seem more excited by and.

interested in the way I interact with. fans Mhm. as a person as a public person. Mhm. than actually how I do music. They're more interested in the fact that. I'm a little bit famous. than Mhm. whether I'm a good or bad. singer. Mhm. And they're very interested. right now in the way my music interfaces. with politics. Oh wow. >> And maybe that's why I'm. Mhm. so interested in in um. Maren's question and in in and in being.

a part of like uh another chapter for. the Highwomen is I think they would. really like it. Like their very very. favorite song from my album is Church. and State. They loved the SNL. performance and they're very proud of of. that even with their limited knowledge. you know they know there's a struggle. and that our family is a part of it. and they're very proud of that and more. interested in that than they even seem. to be the musical And they probably are. just figuring that out that oh my mom's. art that her job. is.

speaking to that. I bet you they're just. figuring that out for the first time. They are. They like it. Very cool. >> Yeah and that's they seem to be just. energized about. about those kinds of things and it does. sort of translate to their behavior in. sports and stuff. I took them to like a. Seattle Reign a soccer game and they. were just took on a life of their own. Do you know that song You Without Me. from my album? Tho- them in sports is a You Without Me. moment. I don't know who they are when. they're screaming those things and. they're like be aggressive [laughter] be.

be. aggressive. I'm like no don't be. aggressive but they're like that's a. chant mom. Yeah. [laughter]. That's a chant mom. They're like we're we're it's good. >> [laughter]. >> but that's so interesting though because. I feel like you have a you have a. you're you are you know in positively. competitive and you have a. a player's attitude toward your work. >> [snorts]. >> I'm driven but I'm not competitive. Okay.

you're not competitive. No it's actually. it annoys it's annoying I think. Interesting. And I think it puts me a. little bit on the outs with my some of. my friends even like my relationship. with Elton he's constantly annoyed by my. lack of it but. >> [laughter]. >> if I'm up for an award and somebody else. beats me I mean I'm deflated for like. three and a half seconds until they get. up and do their speech and then I'm like. fighting back tears from like feeling so. happy for them and like I'll go see my. own kid play soccer and I'm just so.

I'm so proud of all those little girls. out there. I don't even know how to root. for my own kid because I'm so you know. what I mean. But but but you what you're. you're saying you just have a healthy. relationship to competition. Maybe. Because. awards are crazy and. of course and and you go there and it's. like if you actually you know what is. winning? Well winning is just being at. the show and same with you know watching. your like anyone who like yells on the. sideline is like total.

nut bag. Okay so our my last question is. and I ask all my guests is and I know. you're a real comedy fan. Yeah like. real. Learning that. So you have a you probably have a. refined taste and you comedy is probably. something that you seek out and pay. attention to and care about. Mhm. What. are you listening to watching. a video a TV show a movie old new or. like what what makes you laugh? How are. you like in these times where do you go.

when you want to feel that lift? What do. I go? I go to a few. core movies. Like I'll go to a few core. comedy movies um. and without sounding too retro or old. school I mean I love Tommy Boy. Oh my. God. I love. Tommy [laughter] Boy. I mean Bridesmaids. everything Tenacious D I I loved. Sisters. Oh my. God. That was a really important one for. a lot of reasons. And then. SNL I I like never miss SNL. I love SNL.

and I've got my favorite old episodes. and my favorite favorite. >> of your favorite SNL sketches? One of my. favorite SNL sketches watch it together. Oh my God there's so. so many good ones. One that I come back. to a lot is [laughter] the um. Liza Minnelli turns on a lamp. Did you. ever see that one? Kristen Wiig a total genius. That's. [laughter] a really good one. >> um Let's watch that for a second. >> Yeah. I mean and by the way hilarious physical. comedy not great for podcasts but um.

uh okay the the title says Liza Minnelli. tries to turn off a lamp. >> what it is. Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> I mean Wiig is. so freaking funny. >> I know. And. okay let's watch this thing. >> a huge Tracy Morgan fan. Tracy Morgan. and okay so this says here. we've got um. >> [laughter].

[laughter]. >> Brandi is dying. I love her. I love her. When she was on. TV as a young kid I was like. who who is that? Yeah. Liza you're very. talented. >> Yes. >> [laughter]. >> She should stick with it. Liza stick. with it. Stick with it Liza. You picked the right. job. And Brandi so did you.

You picked the you're just the best. singer. Congrats on your voice on this. record on all the things that you're the. best. You are the I love talking to you. You're the most interesting person. I. really feel I hope this is the beginning. of a long friendship. [laughter]. Seriously. >> I know you have a lot of people living. in your house. You have like a lot of. people in your house. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah. One or two more you might not even. notice. >> No and if you need a trim carpenter if. you're afraid to work with wood, I I can. strengthen your resolve.

>> I am. I I feel like that's this time. around I probably not going to do that. >> Yeah. But that's okay. God is fair, you. know. >> [laughter]. >> Thank you so much for doing this. It was. so fun. >> I really loved it. It was everything I. hoped IT WOULD BE. THANK YOU SO MUCH BRANDY. YOU ARE. incredible and um it was so so fun. hanging with you. And um. yeah, you know, we talked about so many. good things. One thing that we spoke. about which I just wanted to kind of.

correct or um. plunge deeper into in the polar plunge. was the performance that her and Benicio. Bryant did together for the incredible. song The Joke, which we all know is one. of Brandy's best. Um and that was on. Late Night with Seth Meyers. And Seth, I'm sorry that I forgot that. Um I love. your work, Seth. I love what you do. I'm a big big fan. Um but I can't remember where things.

you know, air anymore. And so I it. sounded like it'd be something that you. would have done. Great great idea, whoever I I you know, I I. I'm sure it wasn't your idea. But. whoever on your staff said to do it, so smart. Um and I'm sorry that I might. have attributed that that performance to. another late night show. You're the only. late night show I care about. Um. so uh Seth uh. congrats on that. Um and Brandy, beautiful work. And.

listeners, thank you again for tuning. in. See you soon. >> [applause]. >> You've been listening to Good Hang. The. executive producers for this show are. Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, [music] and me, Amy Poehler. The show is. produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite. For The Ringer, production by Jack. Wilson, Kat Spalane, [music] Kaya. McMullen, and Aleia Zineris. For Paper. Kite, production by Sam Green, >> [music]. >> Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman. Original music by Amy Miles. I never. wanted a really. >> [music]. >> good hang.