Tupac Shakur murder trial enters day 6 in Las Vegas

You do solemnly swear the testimony. you're about to give in this action. shall be the truth, the whole truth, and. nothing but the truth. To help you, God. You may be seated. >> May I please have you state and spell. your first and last name for the record? First name is Stevie. S T E A V I E.

Last name is Fellow Bomb. F E L A B O M. >> Ma'am, how are you employed? >> As a senior crime scene analyst with. LAMPD, >> we just heard from Jeff Scott. Do you. have similar qualifications and. backgrounds as Mr. Scott? >> Yes, sir. >> Uh, were you the relief crime scene. analyst that responded to 2204. Maple Shade Street in Henderson? >> Yes, sir. Uh, and did you document with.

your own photographs, but also uh. reviewed all of the photographs taken at. that crime scene prior to your testimony. here today? >> Yes. >> Going to go through some of those. photographs here and start with 93. What are we looking at? >> Thank you, Jessica. So, not that you'll need it for this. one, but that mouse up there can allow. you to point. Um, it just don't click. it. Okay.

>> What is this? >> That's going to be the exterior of the. residence. >> I guess we should go. I'll do 95 first. 95. What does this appear to be? >> The northeast master bedroom. Okay. Then 94. >> is it shot from the opposite direction? >> Yes.

>> Sitting on top of that case over here, there appears to be a. container for a bottle of Don Perin. Yes. 96. >> What are we looking at?

>> That's going to be the dresser on the. opposite side of the same bedroom. >> And. at the bottom here, there were several books pulled out when. I arrived. Um, one of them is Compton Street. Legend. One of them is Murder Rap. The. last one is The Confused Mind of a Drug. Dealer. >> Yes. >> Is that a yes? >> Yes.

>> In addition 97, was there. a VI magazine? >> Yes. Did you wind up collecting the Compton. Street Legend in the bike magazine? >> Yes, sir. >> Now, in the garage 098,

>> there were two bins. >> Yes. >> And when those bins were opened. 100, I bet you this is 99 first. Try 99. look like a number of personal effects. that were kept in those. >> Yes, sir. >> And. number 100.

Uh bottom one also had a bunch of. personal effects. >> Yes. >> Do you know what happened to those two. containers uh at the scene? >> The detectives recovered them. So. detectives took those two bins and left. the scene with them. >> Correct. This is exhibit number 101. What are we looking at here? >> That was a jacket in one of the closets.

>> And on the left, well, I guess we'll. zoom in just a little bit. On the left side looks like it says. reggg 64 trays and on the right side it. says KTD. >> Yes. >> And then if we skip to 103.

the back of it is says Southside City of. Compton. >> Yes. After you collect an item, do you. photograph it either at the scene or. back at the lab? >> Yes. >> Showing the 104. What are we looking at? >> That's the photograph that I took of the. Compton Street Legend book once I had.

recovered it and taken it back to the. lab. >> And then 105. That's the back of the same book. >> 106. >> That's the copy of the Vibe magazine. after I recovered it and taken it back. to the lab. >> And 107. >> It's the date and barcode on the cover.

So it looks like the November 96 edition. of the buy magazine, >> correct? >> Now ma'am, previously opened off piece, but let me. show you. Um, states closes it at number. 148. Is that your evidence package uh from.

that night? >> Yes. >> And uh among what else you you. recovered, would you expect to find both. the book and the vibe magazine inside. there had it still been sealed? >> Yes. >> Well, let me start first with the Vive. magazine. This is Stace Repose exhibit. number 140. and which is Do you recognize the bag on. the outside? >> Yes. And what is that? >> Uh, that's the identifying information.

that we put on interior packages to. include the event number, my P number. and initials, the date that it was. recovered, and the item number. >> And then I'm going to show you now. 14A. What is that? >> That looks like the VI magazine that I. recovered. >> That's the actual Vive magazine that you. end up recovering out of that house. >> That came from that package. Yes. >> Move to a 148. Any objection? >> No. So, >> I'm going to show you the outside of.

this. Uh, this is sorry, 139. Do you. recognize that? >> Yes. Same identifying information. listing it as my item number. >> And then. we pull that item out. What would you. expect to find? >> The Compton Street Legend. >> Showing it to you. 139A. Does that. appear to be the book? >> Yes. >> And I want to show you uh you took. pictures of the front and the back,

>> correct? >> The back has no picture on it, right? >> No photograph. No. >> Okay. It just has some words. >> Yes. >> And then if you flip through. this entire book, there's no interior pictures in this. book. Does that seem accurate? >> Yes, sir. I moved in. 148. >> Objection.

>> I think I did move in. >> They already moved in. Okay. Thank you. >> I think the rest of this we've agreed. we're not in. >> Understood. >> I pass. You may cross. Thank you. I have no objection. >> All of them.

Miss uh. >> Yes sir. >> Uh how long have you have you been a. crime scene analyst?

>> About nine years. >> And uh during that time period uh these. kinds of searches would be standard. operating procedure for you. >> So assistant with the detectives. Yes. >> Yeah. Uh and once again with regard to. your training experience when you are. conducting this kind of investigation, uh you're looking for things of. evidentiary value, right? >> Yes, sir. >> Now, the evidentiary value part though. is dependent upon what you learn at the. scene from the primary officer or the. detective that's conducting the search. Correct. And so, whatever you're doing.

is within the parameters that they're. asking for. >> Yes. Now, in this case, we've seen some. pictures of some uh books uh and a. jacket. Is that is that correct? >> Yes, sir. >> And when you arrived on scene, you were. on scene for the late later half or the. latter half of the search. >> Yes. >> You weren't there for the beginning part. of the search? >> Yes. >> So, the photographs you took are. photographs that were of the areas and. the rooms in the house after the search. had been conducted. Fair to say, of course, is that um.

each room was in disarray. >> The search had already been started. Yes, sir. >> Yeah. And um you don't know what they. look like prior to you arriving on. scene, but definitely after there's. things strewn around. >> Yes, sir. >> Uh in your 90 years of experience as a. crime scene analyst, uh when officers. are conducted in a search, they. typically will be as thorough as they. can be to look through everything uh in. an area. >> Yes. Do they ever return those things. back to how they found it before they.

entered into the say the room or the. house? >> I would say it depends on the level to. which they've moved everything. >> If the entire closet has been empty. though, they don't typically put. everything back. >> They they do not typically put. everything back. >> Not typically. No, sir. >> Okay. So, you don't have any photographs. that you took after everything was over. where the room was put back into place. How these police officers found? I have photos immediately before we left. the residence after they'd finished. searching, but not with everything.

placed as a officers found it. >> I see. And so what you were documenting. basically was, for lack of a better word, the. thoroughess of each police officer's. search of each room. >> They'll say that we left it in when we. were clearing yesterday. >> Okay. Now, um, some of the things that we were. shown in this case, did you ever at any. point find electronics or were asked to. take pictures of of electronics at the. residence? >> I believe the only electronic item I. photoed was a laptop in the shed. All of.

the others were photoed by CSA. >> Okay. But as far as you know and what. you recall, there were electronics found. at the house like say I know iPads and. laptops, that kind of thing. >> Laptops definitely. I'm not sure what. other types. >> But you're not the crime scene analyst. that would have captured that and put. that into evidence. >> I didn't recover the laptop itself. No, sir. >> Okay. And as far as you know, do you. know how many electronics were in the. house when you were there? >> I don't.

>> Do you know whose responsibility that. would have been? >> Whoever was in charge of the search. warrant, they had it listed on the. return. >> Okay. And just for the jury's. edification, a return is a document. that's left at the house or the area to. notify the owner that certain items were. taken as a result of the search. >> Yes, sir. >> So, it's almost like a receipt. >> Yeah. Okay. >> And your job really stops with regards. to the actual search itself. You don't.

do anything further when you go back to. your office with Metro or anything like. that. >> aside from impounding whatever items I. know. Okay. >> And just for our edification, when. something's impounded, um the concern of course is to maintain. what's called chain of custody, right? Meaning that if you find something on. scene, you want to make sure that that. piece of evidence is exactly how it was. as you found it at the scene and not. molested or changed or anything like.

that. >> Correct. So sometimes like in other. investigations, you might have uh gloves. on to protect you from transferring DNA. or fingerprints onto the actual item of. interest. >> I'm usually always wearing gloves, but. yes, different DNA considerations. depending on. >> So when you're telling us that you went. back to make sure that certain items. were impounded, uh items that you had. taken and put it into an evidence. baggie. >> Yes, sir. >> You took back to the evidence vault. I would have sealed it and then we have.

a temporary hold that's locked. So I. would have sealed it um with all the. identifying information and then place. it in that hold and an evidence. technician would have continued the. chain of custody. >> And in terms of sealing it, you have a. certain tape color of tape that you. would put on the opening of the. packaging to indicate that it's been. sealed by you. >> Yes, sir. Ours is red and then I sign. that with my initials and the date that. I'm sealing it. >> I see. And then do you put your initials. on the actual tape itself or somewhere. on the on the tape side of the. >> across the tape and the package? So if.

it's moved, it's evident. >> Okay. And now at some point in the. future, if someone comes along, they can. go into that evidence vault and remove. your package out, right? >> If they check it out. Yes, sir. >> And if they were to open it, they would. have to open it from some other side of. the packaging. >> Typically, yes. And then when they seal. it to return it back to the evidence, they would actually put a different type. of tape on it. >> to indicate it came from somewhere else. >> I've seen red and blue used. So. depending on the circumstance, yes. >> Okay.

Now, the bins of photographs that we see. in the pictures and I think this is uh. states exhibit number. 99. Get back to the clerk. Sorry.

Showing you what's been marked in. already as states exhibit number 100. Um, this is one of the photographs you. took. >> Yes. >> Did you rifle through or look through. those photographs to see what was in. them? >> I did not know. >> That would have been somebody else's uh. responsibility. >> Yes, sir. >> You're just there to take a picture of. what was in it? >> Yes, sir. >> Now, um, shown you what's been marked in. Estates exhibit number 99. Is this the.

other bin that was, uh, at in the garage. that you took a picture of? >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh, and once again, these are bins. that you are directed to by detectives. to take pictures of. showing you what's been marked. and admitted as states exhibit number. 98. Do you see over here on the top. right? These are the two bins over here. that we're talking about, right? >> Yes. >> Do you see this bin over here? >> Yes. >> Did you ever take a picture of what was. inside that bin?

>> I don't believe so. >> Okay. So the um what we have in terms of. evidence in this case would have been. the uh states exhibit number number 99. and 100 but not exhibit number 98. >> I'm I'm sorry. What's your question sir? >> Meaning that we have the open bins for. this would be 99 and 100 but not for. this particular bin over here. >> as far as items for covered. Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes.

Now I'm showing you, if I may, if your. honor, >> you may showing you what's been marked. as proposed defense exhibits. F through W UU. If you could just look. through those photographs real quick. just. F through. you just have a minute. >> She might want to still review. Okay.

Um I believe these are a mixture of both. mine and CSA photos. >> Okay. >> From inside the residence, but they're. consistent. >> All right. >> And and just with regards to the record, this has been uh admitted by stipulation. between the state and the defense. And. that would be defense exhibit F through. defense exhibit UU. >> They will now they will now be admitted.

>> They will now be admitted. >> Thank you. >> Um all right. And uh just for our. edification. showing you just for a couple. photographs here. This would be uh. defense exhibit G. Sure. You can see the. talking about this would have been a. photograph taken after the search of the. house. >> I believe. So yes,

>> defense exhibit I as in Isaac. Is that. another photograph taken after the. search of the house? >> Denver. >> Uh this is. defense exhibit. J. Another photograph taken. >> Yes. Along with that, this is defense. exhibit K. Another photograph. >> Yes, sir. >> Uh, defense exhibit L.

>> Yes. >> Defense exhibit N. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Your honor, I have no further questions. Thank you very much. >> Okay. >> Anything further by the state? >> No. >> Ladies and gentlemen, jury, any. questions for this witness? Seeing no hands, Miss Fabum, you're free. to go. Thank you so much for being with. us today. >> Say, who's your next witness?

>> Justine Gatis. >> All right. Before this witness testifies, um, you. may hear testimony regarding drug. trafficking, conspiracy, a fed a prior. federal conviction, and gang. affiliation. None of this is offered to. show propensity to commit a crime. Um, and you may not consider it for that. purpose or any other or any other. purpose. It is only offered to establish. credibility of statements made by. defendant and motive and identity. All. right, come on up.

>> You do solemnly swear the testimony. you're about to give in this section. shall be the truth, the whole truth, and. nothing but the truth. So help God. >> Yes, I do. >> You may be seated. >> Thank you. >> Good morning. May I please have you state and spell. your first and last name for the record? >> Justine. J U S T I N E Gatus G A T U S. >> Thank you. You may proceed, Mr. Duck. >> And how are you employed? >> I am a homicide detective with the Las. Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.

>> How long you been with Metro? >> Uh coming up on 20 years. I've been in. homicide for over eight. >> And can you describe how homicide is set. up at the Las Vegas Metal Police. Department? So we have uh four teams. that work active calls. Each team has. six detectives and each of those six. basically we kind of rotate all. throughout the entire bay of detectives. for who gets the next call in order as. it just kind of comes down the line. >> Back in 20.

I guess 2023. Uh were you assigned to a particular. squad? >> Yes, I was. And who was your sergeant. >> back then? It was Igor Daro. >> Is he still your sergeant today? >> Yes, he is. >> Um, and on your squad, was there a. person by the name of Mog? >> Yes, sir. >> And, um, at some point, did you become. aware that he was investigating the. Tupac Shakur homicide? >> Yes, sir.

>> I'm going to direct your attention to. July of 2023. Were you present during. the execution of the search warrant at. um the residence? >> Yes, I was. >> And while you were present uh for that. search warrant, were there two bins. located? I'm going to put up. exhibit 980. Were there two bins. located? >> Yes, sir. >> What happened to those two bins? Those. bins were collected and transported to. Metro headquarters and ultimately.

impounded or I'm sorry, the bins. themselves were ultimately released back. >> at Metro Headquarters. Those bins were. searched. >> Yes. >> Certain items were removed. >> Yes. >> And then those bins were returned. >> Correct. >> Um and then who impounded the items that. were taken out of that bin? >> Detective Moog. When did Detective Moog officially. retire from the Las Vegas Metropolitan. Police Department?

>> I want to say it was August. I know it was August of 23, but I think. maybe August 12th of 2023. >> And sometime after August 12th of 23 and. September of 23, did you come aware that. this case uh was indicted by the Clark. County Granger? >> Yes, sir. Were you and Sergeant Darro. assigned a role to um assist the now. investigator Mog if he needed a peace.

officer? >> Yes, sir. >> And I'm going to go through just some of. those things. But on April 23rd of 2026, did you go to the evidence hall? >> Yes, I did. >> Who was with you at the evidence hall? >> Uh you and Mr. Bonu. uh Igor Daro, uh. Mike Samp, uh his investigator, Erin. Stanton, and the I'm sorry, I don't know. your name. His female assistant partner. >> Thank you. >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh was Cliff Bond there, too?

>> Yes, he was. >> And uh what was the purpose of us all. going down to the vault? >> To review the evidence that was that has. been impounded for this case. >> And were you the peace officer? You and. Mr. D Carol the peace officers or. Sergeant Daro sorry uh the peace. officers that were present for purposes. of touching the evidence opening the. evidence reviewing the evidence with the. defense and the state. >> Yep. And then I receal the evidence. That's correct.

>> Show you what the marked as states. proposed exhibit number 132. Um, is that the original impound from. Detective Mog that we wound up opening. and going through everything in? >> Yes, sir. >> Go through all these. This one I'm going. to do last because there's a lot. Um,

showing you states proposed exhibit. number 135. Was. that an item that was in this in pound. package? >> Yes, sir. >> Uh move to admit 135. >> Any objection? >> No objection. >> So admit it. >> Showing you what's been marked as states. proposed exhibit 136. Is that an item. that was in there? >> Yes, sir. >> Now one state's proposed 134 is a.

package. proposed. package. Just want you to look through there were. 134 A B. C and D all within that package. >> Yes, sir. >> Move to admit. I guess I should do 134. and A through D so we have the package. to keep them in. >> Any objection? >> No objection. W 134 A B C and D.

>> And one of those items 134D. is also is a magazine about Biggie. Smalls. >> Correct. There were some. miscellaneous items collected. Um, but I.

think we are all putting in 133, but I. don't have a cover for 133. Madam clerk, is there any. cover for 133 or just. separate. the back? Perfect. Something to keep it. in.

133 I think was technically the the bag, but it there's a Lakers ticket that's. marked. >> Yes, >> that was in there. >> Yes, sir. >> 133 A. C. D E F. G. H, I, J,

K, and L were all within this package. >> Yes, sir. >> Move to admit. 133 and 133A through L. >> Any objection? >> No objection. >> So, admit it. >> And then lastly, was there this. >> photo book? Yeah. >> Photo book uh 137. >> Yes. And then were there a number of. items that were inside this photo book? >> Yes, sir. >> And the clerk and the defense and I have.

had these marked as 137. A through. I think the last one is U. If you want. to briefly flip through those. Okay.

36. is 136. I believe I offered it.

>> Yes, it's not. >> It is not. >> I think your acknowledge was in there. >> Yes, sir. Move to a 136. >> Any objection? >> No objection. >> Uh, all of those were within this. college scrapbook for lack of a better. term. >> Yes, sir. >> So, I want to go through. some of these items and if you put it on. the overhead.

Oh, that's bad. this item 136. here because otherwise it's just going. to slide. 136 is actually what appears to be uh. well it says an affidavit in a search. warrant. >> correct.

>> from the Compton PD. >> Yes, sir. And it appears that it's dated May 27th. of 1997. >> Correct. >> It appears that it's at 1524 South. California A and Compton. >> Yes, sir. >> On the back there is a handwritten. return. >> Yes, sir. One of the items that was recovered, it. says number four, money due bill for the.

Monte Carlo Casino. >> Yes, sir. >> Let's go through the items that were in. the scrapbook. And then I just messed up. their entire order. So, but I guess it. doesn't matter what you order. I'm going to just show some of the. newspaper articles. So, states exhibit. number. 137H.

>> I'm sorry, you said 137. >> 137H. Did we. >> I don't have that listed as just. >> Didn't I offer everything 137 and 137 A. through U? >> You listed it, but you didn't ask for it. to be admitted. >> It'll be admitted at this time. >> Thank you. >> Okay, perfect. By stipulation. This appears to be a article about Mr. uh Shakur's death.

>> Yes, sir. 137. G. Another one about the death of Mr. Shakur. And this one's actually dated. September 19th of 96. >> Yes, sir.

>> 137 U. is another. article that was found in there. talking about uh Mr. Knight being kept.

in jail. >> Yes, sir. 137. appears to be. a newspaper article about a bad rap for. new artists. >> That's correct.

137B, an article about. Mr. Shakur being in a fight with the. MGM. >> Yes, sir. >> 137 C.

an article about a death row exec didn't. leave. And this is from September 14th. of 1996. >> Yes, sir. >> Open this one. This is 137D. I don't want to peel it back, but I.

guess we can peel that back. It appears to be uh the community. mourns. Um and there's a picture of um. his death is going to send a strong. message to the rap community. It looks. like an article about death in the rap. industry. Yes, sir.

And if we I don't know if I can assume. this. appears to be discussing the death of. Tupac Shakur. here.

137E. rapper star rapper Tupac Shakur badly. wounded is a newspaper article. >> That's correct. >> And are you aware that Tupac Shakur died. on September 13th? >> Yes, sir. So, this appears to be prior. to September 13th. >> Yes, sir.

>> 137F. Back out just a little bit. There's an article about police raids. targeting. uh or sparked by Tupur Chakur's death. >> Yes.

>> And this one actually has a handwritten. date that says 93 of 96. >> 103 of 96. >> I'm sorry. 103 of 96. >> Yes, sir. 137 I. you can probably read it without me. pulling it out.

This one is rappers of Muslims gather. for peace and it's the uh dated. September 23rd of 1996. >> That's correct. 137J. apps should be an article titled night.

uh related to should night. >> Yes sir. Hold up. See the whole thing. 137K. It's an article entitled 22 Held and. shootings possible Shakur Payback.

>> Yes, sir. as well as a another piece of at least. piece of article complex life comes to. an end. >> That's correct. >> It looks like it discusses the death of. Mr. Shakur on the back. >> Yes, sir.

137 L.

This appears to be an article about the. death of Biggie Smalls. >> Yes, sir. 137. A or sorry 37M.

This one says man who fought with Shakur. on videotape is released. >> Correct. If we zoom in, it discusses the arrest of Orlando. Anderson for a different crime as well. as discussion of retaliation in the. neighborhood. >> Yes, sir.

>> 137. N. There's an article about gangster rap. performer not notorious bit being slain. >> Yes sir. >> 1370.

an article about gang ties suspected in. killings. >> Yes sir. 137P. Get this back. An article from September 17, sorry, September 16th, 1996.

Obviously related to Tupac. >> Yes, sir. 137. Q. This is about a RAP lawyer's contending. detective lie. >> Yes, sir.

And it starts off with they seek. dismissal of judges ruling and probation. case saying Las Vegas investigator. committed perjury about Marian Shug. Knight's alleged role in the assault. before Tupac Shakor lang. >> Yes sir. 137R.

This appears to be sort of a combination. of both Biggie and uh Tupac's murder, but little bullet riddle rap is how it's. titled. >> That's correct. And then it says, "Is the rivalry. escalating despite so-called truce?".

>> That's correct. Just a couple more detective.

137s. and an article entitled living. dangerously. >> Yes, sir. And it appears if you look really close. at the bottom, this is from People magazine in. September 23rd of 1996. >> That's correct.

137T. The last on this one, an article entitled. on March 10th of 1997, no easy answers. for violence in gangster rap. >> That's correct. Now, in addition to being the.

I guess call you reinounting officer at. the vault on April 23rd, um did there come a point in time when. you went as a law enforcement officer to. California to interview certain. individuals? >> Yes, I did. >> Do you recall the. interview the interviews of individuals. you interviewed? Yes, I do. Can. >> you tell me who they were? >> Uh, we spoke with Yseph Y, Rasha Smith,

uh, Corey Edwards, Roger Williams. I believe there was one more. I can't remember. >> Mob James McDonald. >> Yes, James McDonald. That's who it was. In addition to that, did you become. aware. that. this proceeding? Well, let me ask you. this. As a homicide detective, do you. know what a compelling order is?

>> Yes, I do. >> What's compelling order? >> It's basically an order issued by uh. well, in this example, it's issued by. the state of California compelling. witnesses who live there to appear in. front of the court. >> We have to ask our court to issue some. documentation and then we have to their. court for comp. Correct. >> Judge, I'd ask you to take judicial. notice that you've issued compelling. orders for Trayvon Lane, Roger Williams, James McDonald, Corey Edwards, and a.

Bergie Brooks. >> Let me make sure I have all those. actually. All right, >> there might be a sixth one actually. Oh, Malcolm Greenwich the 64. >> All right.

Edwards. I'll take judicial notice of. that one.

Roger Williams. James McDonald's. Sorry, James McDonald. I'll take judicial notice of that one. And then there's another block of them a. little later. >> Correct. I think uh.

Brooks and Trayvon Lane came a little. later. >> Trayvon Brooks. I'll take judicial. notice of that. >> Sorry, Trayvon Lane. I'll take. >> judicial notice of that. And all right, 30 Brooks and then. recently Malcolm Green. recently Malcolm. Greenage.

>> Michael P. >> What? >> Michael P. >> Okay. Malcolm Greenwich. All right, I'll take.

judicial notice of that. >> Of all six. >> Yes. So, >> did you become aware that certain of. those six individuals uh. weren't cooperative even though they had. been served papers by California? >> Yes, sir. And so did you coordinate with anyone to. assist California authorities in. locating these individuals? >> I did.

>> Well, let me back up. There was also. someone in New York that there's a. compelling order for. Correct. >> I'm not sure if the order was uh served. or issued, but yes, I know the. individual in New York. >> Did you um locate someone by the name of. Anthony Gomez in New York? Yes, sir. >> And he is currently on probation. >> Correct. >> And there's an effort to locate what. jurisdiction he was in in order to get a. compel.

>> Yes, sir. >> All right. Um, what did you do with the people who. weren't cooperated cooperative despite. the California authorities ordering them. to come to Nevada? uh we went up on their phones, which. means we uh received orders to where we. can ping their phone location to try to. identify where they were specifically. at. >> And for those people, um well, how many. pens do you think you did?

>> I think about five. >> And do you remember which five you had. to do pens on? Cory Edwards, Vergie. Brooks, Roger Williams. >> Is there Malcolm Green? >> Yes, Malcolm was. Yes. >> And I can't remember the last one. I. know we've already spoke about him,

though. >> Well, no. How about the Bond? Did you. get one? >> Yes. Now, Devonte Lee was local, so we. didn't need a compelling version. >> Correct. >> Um, last Friday, did you coordinate with. um. our local authorities as well as. authorities in California in order to. effectuate an arrest warrant in. California? >> Yes. >> And who did you try to effectuate an. arrest for?

>> Cory Edwards. >> And was he located at his residence? No. >> Um, was there any other person associated. with Corey that was missing from his. residence? >> Uh, yes, there was. >> And who is that? >> His mother. >> Uh, and is your understanding that she. is 95 years old in. >> she's in poor health? Yes. Um, on Monday, uh, was there an effort at another.

location in Compton to effectuate an. arrest warrant for Mr. Edwards? >> Yes, there was. >> And was that successful? >> No, sir. >> Thank you, detective. I pass the. witness. >> Thank you. All right. Cross examination, Mr. Sam. >> Hello. >> Hi. How you doing, Detective Gatis? Good. How are you? >> I'm doing all right, thank you. Uh, thank you for appearing here today. Yes,

sir. >> Now, your testimony is uh. based on your work with. Clifford Moog from 2023 on. >> Well, I've worked with detective, retired detective Mog since 2018. >> Okay. So, in 2018 to 2023, what did you. do in furtherance of this case? I. personally did not do a a. extensive amount of of anything. This. primarily was being investigated by.

Detective Mock, >> right? Um and and so from 2018 to 2023, um. you didn't do anything of real note. Would that be fair to say? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Now, uh, as a detective with. Metro, uh, obviously you have to qualify to. become a detective in the homicide. division of of Metro. >> We have a testing process. >> Yeah. Uh, and it's, uh, one of those. things where just because I asked to be.

on the homicide team doesn't mean I'm. going to get on the homicide team unless. I demonstrate qualifications to get. there. >> More or less. Yes. >> Yeah. Now, in terms of your training. experience though, uh fair to say it. starts in the uh police academy as. you're getting ready as a cadet before. you become a full-fledged officer. >> It's a it's a police recruit, but yes. >> Okay. And while you're in the academy, you learn skills that would help you. become a successful police officer in. our community. Correct. >> One of those things that you learn, of. course, is how to write reports.

>> Yes, sir. Uh officer reports are uh a. crucial tool that you would use in. furtherance of your job as a police. officer in Las Vegas. >> Yes, sir. >> Uh with regards to police officers. report, sometimes you don't have to. write a report. I would assume like for. instance, if you pull someone for a. traffic ticket and on the citation you. could write some notes or something. along those lines. That wouldn't require. you to do a police report. >> That's correct. >> Or officers report. >> Yes. >> All right. But in terms of when you're. conducting an investigation, fair to say.

that typically a officer's report would. be written. >> Typically, yes. >> Yes. Now, can you explain to the jury. why an officer's report would be. important in the furtherance of an. investigation? >> The officer's report primarily is is for. our own reflection to recall really all. the steps that we took throughout the. entirety of an investigation. So, it's. it's a document that we can refer back. to without going to each and every. document specifically. Now, fair to say though that the. officer's report also helps in the event.

that, say, for instance, you get. promoted to become a sergeant and. someone else takes over your case load. because you're no longer the detective, right? >> Yes, sir. >> They would look at that officer's report. to help them get up to speed as to what. your investigation was at the time you. get promoted to become sergeant. >> Correct. >> Or lieutenant. >> Yeah. >> Or captain. >> I'll never see that, but yes. >> I'm just hopeful. Be hopeful. But in. with regards to your officer's report. for instance um when you are about ready. to move on in the next phase of your.

career for instance those officer report. uh typically are prepared and completed. upon your departure to whatever it is. you're going to do next. >> Most of the time they they try to get. those done. Sometimes they're not. >> Sure. Now in terms of sometimes they're. not can you tell us when is there an. exception to the rule of when you do. your officers report after say for. instance when you retire. >> haven't retired yet I don't know um. yeah I'm sorry.

>> but um fair to say of course if the uh. that in the event of an actual complete. departure from the department meaning. you move on in your life doing something. else that those officers report should. be completed prior to departing uh the. department. >> I know the department would like them. completed, but again, sometimes they're. they're just not. >> Yeah. >> I've seen many cases where there's still. open officers reports with people who. are no longer on. >> Sure. Um and so with regard to those.

open officers reports, fair enough. Uh. uh you know, they get created at some point in the. future. How about like one year after. they retire? I I don't know. Is it are are you asking. like would they or could they? >> Well, have you ever seen an officer's. report being filed a year after an. officer retires from the department. >> authored by the original investigator? No. >> A lot of times like they'll be um either. one of the guys from cold case that will. kind of pick up a case.

>> and finish that up and so then that will. be completed after the originating. officer retired. >> Okay. Well, what about u two years after. the main officer or detective in this. case retires? Have you seen anyone. actually, you know, finish up this. officer's report two years after he. retires? >> And submit it still as an officer. No. >> Yeah. >> Uh, three years. >> No. >> And it's fair to say that there's common. sense reasons for that, right? You want. to make sure that your report is. accurate, right?

>> Yes. >> Because accuracy is important in what. you do as a police officer. >> Correct. >> Uh, you want to make sure that your. report is written in such a way, like. you said before, someone could take that. report and continue on with the. investigation. who is still a detective. >> Yes. >> Okay. And also that report in essence. becomes sort of a um a documentation of. all the effort that that detective puts. into the file. Right. >> Most generally most of it. Yes. It might. not have everything in it, but there's. the vast majority typically goes in the.

officer's report. >> Sure. Now, in this particular case, um. as you're sitting here right now, you. work for the Metropolitan Police. Department. >> Yes, I do. >> Do you work for the district attorney's. office? >> No, I don't. And the reason why you. don't work for them is because they're. two separate agencies, right? >> They are. >> They have two different purposes. Correct. >> Correct. >> Your job as a police officer with Metro. is to investigate and determine facts. Fair. >> Yes. >> Now, at some point in the future, the. district attorney's office, their job is. to determine if they want to prosecute a. case and actually litigate it like in.

front of this jury. Right. >> Yes. Yes. >> That's not your role. Your role is just. to find the facts. >> and present it to them. Yes. >> And present it to the district. attorney's office. >> Yes. >> Okay. Now, they do have investigators. that work for them. >> Yes, sir. Right. But fair to say those. investigators are not doing what you're. doing, right? Which is looking for. facts. >> I object to looking for facts. M1 calls. for speculation. >> What's your response? >> I'm just asking for her experience as a. detective as to how investigators fit.

into the overall picture of what we're. talking about here. So, I don't believe. it's speculation. Can you rephrase it because I forgot the. original question. >> So, with regards to your role and the. experience you've had as a police. officer, have you ever seen a. Clark County District Attorney. investigator be the primary person to. put on an investigation. >> like as the as the lead investigator?

No. >> Yes, that's correct. So, no, the answer. is no. >> Correct. Not in my experience. >> And not in your experience. Um, now in. terms of. what you're doing here, your testimony. here was specifically about the search. warrant and what happened when you. located whatever it is you located. during the course of the search warrant, right? >> Yes, sir. >> So, in the search warrant itself, did. you apply for that search warrant? >> No, I did not. >> Now, typically as a detective, when. you're applying for a search warrant, you fill out an affidavit. >> Yes, sir.

>> And at the end, you sign it attesting it. to be true and correct to the best of. your ability. >> Yes, sir. And you detail in that search. or that application for a search warrant. the location and what you intend on. finding as a result of going into. somebody's house. >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh that would be the purview of. whoever the lead detective is at that. particular time. >> Yeah. Or who is um just writing the. search. There's a lot of times people. write search warrants and they're not. lead detectives. But yes, I I agree with. what you're saying for the most part.

And in this case, uh, Detective Mob was. the responsible detective to petition. for that search warrant. >> Yes, he was. >> And he was signed that accurately. >> Yes, he was. >> Now, you were on scene as a detective to. help him with that with the execution of. the search warrant. >> Correct. >> And it isn't just you and Detective. Long. There's other people from Metro. that's present as well. >> Yes, sir. >> Other detectives as well. >> Yes, sir. >> Uh, as well as the crime scene analyst. that we have on scene. >> Yes. >> And they're all looking for information. >> Correct. Now, the information that.

you're looking for is based upon of my. client's residence, right? Mr. Davis's. residence. >> for that sir. Yes. >> And you are looking for evidence that. would take you back 30 years to whether. or not um that person was involved in. the murder of two. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, the information that we've. received here today is the fruits of. your labor from that search warrant. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Now in addition to that there were. numerous different um electronic devices. that was taken from the scene.

>> Yes. Now are you aware that one of the. intents or one of the focuses of the. search was to look for evidence or facts. specifically about um the writing of a. book. >> Yes. >> Okay. meaning um the book that you had. shown to the jury, that particular book, there was a search or at least an intent. to look for evidence that would help. support whether Mr. Davis had a. manuscript. >> I I don't think I reviewed a book up. here when I was being shown the.

evidence. I I know the book that you're. referring to, >> right? And um I'm just showing once. again just if I could have. uh. I got.

>> show you what's been marked admitted as. states exhibit 104. Uh this document or. this book right here. >> Yes. >> Okay. So this book was the uh one of the. focuses of the search. >> Yes. >> And in the application for the search. warrant um fair to say that as a. detective you would read the parameters. in which Mr. or Detective Mog at the. time had requested uh in terms of the. purpose of the search. >> He would have documented that in there.

Yes. >> Yeah. And for instance, um. would a review of the application and. affidavit of search warrant help. professional recollection as as to what. Detective Mog had requested from a court. to allow him to search for? >> I actually have not read the full. document before. >> Oh, >> I I can review it if you would like, but I but yeah, I up to this point have. not read the full document. Okay. >> So, you're you're saying though that the. person that could best tell this jury.

what he applied for would be Detective. M. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Thank you. Now, in addition to. that, um looking at the state's exhibit. number. 104, uh the name that's on top over here, did. did this name have any significance to. you in in participating in the search. war in this case? >> Yes. >> What significance does this name name. have to you? We knew that was Dwayne. Davis's nickname or street name. >> Is that correctly spelled?

>> I know. I don't know. >> Yeah. And then uh with regards to this. person right here, do you know who this. person was? >> I Yes, I do. Now, >> who was that person? >> Ysef Y. >> Now, um with regards to Ysef, can you. tell the jury a little bit about who he. is? >> Uh he was the co-au to my understanding, he is the co-author of the book. >> Okay. Now, um, you had a chance at some point to speak. with Mr. Yeah. >> Yes, sir.

>> And just for my recollection, do you. recall when you spoke to him? >> It was on about Memorial Day of this. year. >> So, 2026. >> Yes sir. >> Memorial Day. >> Do you recall when the grand jury. occurred with regards to this case? >> In 2023. >> All right. Um, and so explain a little. bit to the to the jury what a grand jury. is. >> Uh, it's a jury that have been, uh,

assimilated here at the Clark County. Regional Justice Center. Um, they hear. cases, then they determine if there is. sufficient cause to issue an indictment. on the on the accused. And uh typically. that would be something if you were the. primary detective you would have been. involved in this particular one but you. were not. Correct. >> That's correct. >> Okay. That would be something that. detective mob would been responsible. for. >> Yes sir. >> Okay. Now u in addition to that with. regards to uh Yousef u we had read off a.

bunch of names the state had and I want. to make sure I'm clear here. Was his. name read off as one of the names that. they had issued some type of warrant or. something for in this case? >> Not to my knowledge. No. Okay. So, uh. you interviewed Yousef about uh May of. this year. Uh he's on the book cover, but you don't ask the court for a. warrant for his arrest in California. >> No, I did not. >> Or some type of notice in California, hey, you need to show up to court? >> No, we did not. >> And did you ever at any point go down.

after your meeting with Yousef uh to. knock on his door again and say, Yousef, can you please come to Nevada um based. upon our interviewer discussion? >> No, I did not. Now, in addition to that, uh, when you. went down to speak to Yousef, at that. particular time, um, you're with, uh, Clifford Ma, right? >> That's correct. >> Now, at that particular point, Clifford. Mog is not a detective with Metro, >> correct? >> He had been retired at that point. How. many years? >> Two and a half, maybe. >> Okay. And so, you accompanied him down.

to California to do that interview with. you. >> With several people, yes. >> Okay. And but you're going down as a. police officer with the Metropolitan. Police Department at that particular. point. >> Yes. >> But not Clifford Bob. He's not a U. police officer at that point. >> Correct. He was. >> he is an investigator with the Clark. County District Attorney's Office. >> Yes, sir. >> Now based upon um that particular. interview, uh did you conduct that. interview? >> No, primarily Detective Mog did or.

investigator Mog did. >> Sure. And after that interview, did you. draft an officer's report documenting. what you learned in the course of that. interview? >> No, I did not. >> That would be something that I think Mog. or Mr. Mog would have done. >> Sometimes we don't write an officer's. report just for like an interview. synopsis. We'll typically get those. transcribed. >> Okay. Now, in this case, for instance, um the the officer's report are pretty. important, right? >> Yes. U and we talked a little bit about.

going to the evidence locker and we were. all present at the evidence locker, right? >> Yes, sir. >> Uh it's uh my assistant, the guilty. looking one over there with the glasses, myself and my investigator as well as uh. Mr. Jako, Mr. Renew Clifford Mog and. yourself. >> and my sergeant uh you go to Carl. >> Yeah. Now after that particular. incident, you wrote an obstacle report, right? >> That one I did. Yes. >> Right. Once again, it's important to.

document what happens on a on a given. event. >> Correct. >> Okay. Now, in this particular regard, did you at any any point of your. participation in this case and that. submission of that report ever view a. officer's report from Clifford Mob? >> No, I have not reviewed an officer's. report from him. Are you aware that. Clifford Mob began his. responsibilities as the main detective. on this case in either 2017 or 18?

>> My understanding, yes, that's correct. >> And he had been the investigator from. that time period, and we'll just give. you benefit of doubt. 2018 all the way. up to 2023 when he retired. >> Correct. But as of right now as you sit. here, you've never read an officer. report from Detective Mob in between. that time period. >> pertaining to this investigation? No. >> No. >> Now, in addition to that, there was some discussion about people. Um,

was there ever a compelling order or a. warrant issued for Sug Knight in this. case? >> Not to my knowledge. or if there was I. didn't have a role in that. >> Right. And fair to say you know exactly. where Ship Knight is today. >> Yes. >> He's actually in custody. >> Correct. >> Okay. Did you ever at any point um issue. a compelling order or a um a warrant for. Foxy Brown? >> I did not. >> Okay. Um do you know who she is?

>> I don't. >> Okay. That would have been something. that maybe Mr. Mog would know of. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, how about for an individual. named Big Meech from Detroit? >> I don't know who that is. Once again, >> I have not issued a Yes. And the same. answer that uh Detective Mog would be, >> he would have more knowledge on that. >> Now, the the articles um. >> that we took a look at here that Jerry. was introduced to, do you know any.

reason um uh besides the fact that they. were taken from my client's house? Do. you know who put those articles. together? I do not. >> Do you know the purpose of those. articles? >> I do not. >> Okay. Now, fair to say in the course and. scope of your investigation as a. detective now, one of the things that. you would look for if you were looking. at a suspect would be through their. phone. >> In in today's age, yes. >> Yeah. And one of the things you look for. either on their phone or on their. computers would be maybe search history.

>> Yes. And what you're looking for is if a. person is googling an address and. googling up a shooting that took place. on the corner of Charleston and I don't. know. qualify uh and they're doing it over and. over again that that would lend some. issue as to why you're looking up the. details of a shooting that say nobody. knows. Right. >> Yes. >> And that would help you determine. whether that person has knowledge of a. shooting that pretty much nobody else. would know. I can't say nobody else. would know but it it would they would.

show that they do have knowledge of the. incident occurring. >> right now. Um. in terms of those articles though can. you say that that's what that was for? >> I cannot. Now in addition to that your. um in your experience. um. we had spoken a little bit about this. this folder here we want to show you. again the jury.

this is uh. states exhibit 37. oh I'm. 137. Do you remember this? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. And I just want to make sure I'm. not color blind, but is this blue? >> No, sir. >> Yeah. Um, there looks like there might. be a like a candy cane on top of it. >> That's correct. >> And something else that's there. Looks. like a little snowman or something like. that. Do you know what the purpose of. this boulder was? >> No, other than it being just like a.

scrapbook type, >> but but nothing else beside that. >> I I don't know any other relevance to. that. >> Okay. And and just for the record, it's. it's got green in here as well. It looks. like a pretty festive uh notebook or. folder. >> Yes. >> Okay. Now, in your um. one of the things that you had shared. with us as well is the uh search warrant. in this case that was found on scene. This would have been.

This would be states exhibit 136. Do you. recall looking at this particular. document here? >> Yes, I do. >> Um, in terms of this document, this is a. document that uh looks like this. occurred back in May of 1997. >> Correct.

>> And this obviously was in a different uh. state. This is California. >> Yes, sir. >> And this was a search warrant of uh what. what looks like to be um a house that. would have been attributed to my client. >> I'm not sure who it is who who resided. there. I know the address is there. The. California. >> Yeah, it would be at the California. address that's on the next page, right? I just don't want to mention it again. But let's turn to the last page here. One of the things that um was made. mentioned by the state and just pointing. the jury to the receipt of property. taken, that's like our property return.

or search form return. Okay, >> that's correct. >> And in it, it identifies various. different things that was taken from. that particular residence. >> Yes, sir. >> Now, one of the things that's in here, for instance, is this uh line number. four, money due bill for the Monte Carlo. Casino. Do you see that? >> Yes, sir. >> Do you have that? >> No, I do not. >> Was there any copy of that in the house. that you searched in 2023? >> Not that we found. And with regards to. that particular um description there, can you tell us for instance just by the. description alone when that money due.

bill was dated? We. >> I don't know from that description. We. just know when the search warrant was. issued. So I would assume pre previous. to that issue date, >> right? But we don't know an exact date. >> Correct. Um, and the other things that. are on here, for instance, the nine. miscellaneous photographs, all these. things are things that another detective. wrote down in the course and scope of. their investigation. >> Yes. >> Okay. Now, in addition to that, um, when you.

were in Mr. Davis's home, you had. identified or there were various. different electronic devices that were. seized. >> Yes. >> Okay. Now, with regard to those. electronic devices, there were quite a. few. Yes. Um, those electronic devices, uh, and I just want to make sure I'm. clear here. Uh, you had taken a Dell. Inspiran. 1764. laptop computer. >> Yes, sir. >> Uh, did you ever at any point cause that.

computer to be reviewed for information. that would help you lead to whether or. not Mr. Davis wrote that book or helped. write that book? >> I did not. >> Okay. Um, and just for the jury. edification, let's make sure we're. clear. When you're reviewing an. electronic device like that, you are. looking for files, search history, things that would help you see whether. or not Mr. Davis used that particular. uh machine to help write the book. For. instance, in this case, >> uh, in theory, yes, somebody would do.

that, >> right? Uh, and you also took from the. pres from the residents a Toshiba laptop. computer. >> Yes. Did you find any information that. would help you know or learn whether or. not Mr. Davis actually wrote Compton. Street Treat Legend or anything like. that? >> I I did not write a search warrant to. get into the digital items. So, I've. never reviewed anything from from the. electronics. >> Okay. So, I I just want to make sure I'm. clear. That would have been Clifford. Mog's job, not your job.

>> Yes. >> Because at the time, he was the. detective responsible for this. investigation. >> Correct. Now, there's uh but I just want to make. sure we're clear for the jury. The other. items that were seized at that point. that you released part of the seizure. would have been a Toshiba satellite. laptop computer. So, that's three. computers. Uh another laptop computer, 8. HPG171. laptop computer, an HP touchscreen. desktop computer, an iPad, another iPad,

and a Sky device tablet. Those were the. things that were taken from the um from. the residence, right? >> That sounds accurate. Yes. >> Um and just stop me if you think I'm. wrong, if you need to look at something. All right. >> Okay. >> Uh in addition to that, it looks like. there was some drives that were taken as. well. A Toshiba external drive, uh a USB. drive, an iPad with a broken screen, and an. iPhone and a black case. >> Yes. >> Okay. And those were all the fruits of. your search of Mr. Davis's uh residence.

when you went there? Yes, sir. >> And once again, whatever whatever was. found inside of those objects would be. something that would be Detective Mob's. responsibility to tell this jury, not. you. >> Yes, sir.

Mr. Mrs. M. Detective Gatis, I'm uh I'm. done with my cross- examination of you. >> I appreciate your answers today. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. S. Mr. J. draft. >> Thank you, Detective Gatis. Mr. Sam said.

we're two separate agencies. That's. accurate, correct? Yes, sir. >> How often. Let me ask you this. Um, do you work. very closely with the DA's office? >> Yes, I do. >> What is the soonest you've called the DA. after you've shown up to a crime scene? >> Oh, within within an hour. Absolutely. And do are we as the prosecutors. involved in the investigation from the. beginning? >> Yes, sir.

>> Um, were you aware that prior to the. search warrant or are you aware if prior. to the search warrant, Mr. Pal and I. were already involved in this. investigation? >> Yes, you were. And were you aware uh the. determination or the decision that was. made as it relates to Mr. Mog, sorry, Detective Mog remaining the investigator. on this case?

>> I I don't know how those decisions were. made. >> Let me ask it this way. Are you aware. that that decision was made the day he. retires? >> Yes. Yes. >> Okay. And the your role and Sergeant Darrow's. role is if we needed a metro police. officer, you were supposed to assist. >> Correct. >> Um, and do you have any active cases. where the reports are not done? >> Yes, sir. >> And usually the report is done when all.

of the work is done. >> Correct. And so that's completed. when you're done com investigating. >> Correct. Okay. >> Mr. Sam also mentioned something about. the fact that your job is to find the. facts. Do you remember him saying something. like that? >> Yes. >> Are you is your job and our job any. different than that? We're here to.

uncover facts. >> We're we have the same mission. do it in. different ways, but yes, the same. mission. >> And um are you aware that my. investigators often time interview. witnesses? >> Yes. >> Um and that's not something that's. unusual. >> No. >> Is there. anything. uh that you feel was improper with the. idea of of Detective Mog becoming my. contract investigator on this particular.

case? opinion. I'm not quite clear what the. relevance of that question. >> Well, his entire cross was, "Hey, this. is really odd. This is really unusual. There's something wrong here by. Detective Mog becoming Mr. Mog and. continuing the investigation." So, I'm. asking her and her experience. Is there. anything inappropriate about that? >> I don't know how her experience is. relevant. >> He opened the door by asking her those. questions. Overall,

>> I I would say Detective Ma would have. been the best fit to do it because he. had the most intelligence and knowledge. of the investigation. >> Thank you. >> I have nothing further. >> Anything further, Mr. Sam? >> Yes, Ryan. >> Since we walked through this door, so. with regard to Detective Mog in this. case, he was the best fit for this. investigation. He had the most knowledge. of it. Yes, he had the most knowledge of. it because he did not write an officer's. report. Fair objection assumes a fact, not an evidence.

Can you approach.

All right, it's overruled. You may um. ask your question. >> And I just forgot the question. So, let. me back it up real quick here. Um. so, you're telling us though that he was. the best for the job?

>> Yes. >> Okay. And that at the time of his. retirement, 2023, he was the best for. the job. >> He had the most knowledge of it. Yes. >> Yes. and he had the most knowledge of it. because uh he was the primary detective. on the case. >> for the preceding several years. Yes. >> Yes. And uh when he retired, he did not. have an officer's report. >> I don't know if he did or didn't. >> Well, I'm just uh just based upon your. knowledge, you're saying you don't know. >> I don't Yeah. And I've never actually. read it. I don't I don't know if he did. >> So, you don't know if he had an.

officer's report. >> Correct. uh and you say he was best for the case. even though technically there were other. detectives on your unit that could have. taken over that case. >> We we there are additional detectives. Absolutely. Yes. >> And are you saying that somehow. Detective Ma had something different. compared to all the other detectives. that could have taken over that case. from the homicide division? >> Well, I say that about Detective Mog. because he had those four or five years. of experience already invested into the. case. So for him to kind of finish it.

out and to see it through it to me that. made the most sense in my opinion. >> but without capturing it putting it down. on an official report. >> She just answered she doesn't know if. there is one. >> Let me ask you this question. I'll. withdraw the question. >> Um in terms of uh as you sit here right. now um the there was a cold case unit, right? >> Yes, we do. We have a cold case. The. cold case unit would investigate crimes. that occurred like say for instance in. this case 30 years ago.

>> Yes, they do. >> And they could have very easily taken. the file as well, right? >> So when from my understanding when. Detective Mog obtained this case, we did. not have a cold case unit in our section. at that time. That didn't come into play. until maybe 2020 that we um were able to. fulfill a cold case detectives. >> Okay. And so in terms of the way you're. describing it, are you saying that. Detective Mock was operating a cold. case? >> No, he was on an active squad um for the.

entirety of his time in the homicide. section, but when he received this case. from the preceding detectives, we didn't. have a cold case unit for them to have. investigated it. So basically any of the. cold cases came down to the next person. in line more or less, and that happened. to be Detective Moog. >> All right. And in terms of the detective. mod situation, are you telling us though. that he was hired by Metro as an. investigator doing cold cases? >> Not no he was he was a detective with.

Metro. >> Okay. >> Employed as a commissioned officer. He. wasn't hired by Metro separately to do. cold cases. >> And I apologize for that. Let me just. back up here. So um are you aware of a. officer retired officer by the name of. Dean O'kell? >> Yes sir. And he at some point uh worked. on cold cases. >> Yes, he did. >> And he worked on cold cases uh after he. retired. >> Correct. >> And prior to that, he was actually a. homicide detective. >> Yes, sir. >> So, and I apologize. Maybe I wasn't.

clear on my question, but are you. telling us that that's what Detective. Mog did in this case? That after he. retired, he became a investigator just. like Dino Kelly on cold cases? >> Detective Mog did not do that with. Metro. And once again, as you're sitting here. right now, you don't know of any. officer's report up until the time he. retires. >> That's correct. >> Um, are you aware of any other reports. that he wrote after he retired in this. case? >> No, sir.

>> Are you, um, and once again, uh, any. reports at all that would you put in the. file to help the next detective with the. investigation? Anything like that? >> I don't I'm not aware of them. >> I have no further question. Thank you. >> Anything further, Mr. Dakl? Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, any. questions for this witness? Seeing no hands, thank you, Detective. Gatis. You're free to go. >> Thank you. >> Does it make sense to break for lunch at. this time? >> We have one short witness, but maybe we. could do a restroom break and then break.

for lunch. >> Does anyone in the jury have to use the. restroom? >> Yes. Okay. All right. So, we will take a. break. During the recess, you're. admonished not to talk or converse. amongst yourselves or with anyone else. on any subject connected to the trial or. read, watch, or listen to any reported. or commentary on the trial of any person. connected with this with this case by. any medium of information, including. without limitation, newspaper, television, internet, and radio or from. Express any opinion on any subject. connected with the trial until the case. is submitted to you. We'll have you guys. back here at 11:40. Please rise for the. jury.

Do it. Come on.

For the record, the jury has exited the. room. We'll be in recess.

back on record in C377407. Um over the break, one of our jurors let. Marshall Spees know that it was juror. five Sydney Stratton let the Marshall. know that she knows Mr. Scott who was. the CSA who testified. Uh, I don't know.

any more information about that. I was. just going to have her come out and ask. her some questions about that. relationship, see if it would affect her. ability to be fair and impartial. And. then if you guys have any questions. about it, just let um I'll let I'll give. you that opportunity as well. >> Okay. Can we get Miss Stratton in? Randy. Okay.

For the record, Miss Stratton has exited. the room. You may be seated. Anything. else we need to discuss on that issue?

>> Not from the state. No. >> Anything we need to discuss outside the. presence? >> Not from the state. No. >> All right. Um, we'll get the jurors. lined up. And who is the witness that. we're going to do next? >> Mark hat. >> Mark hat. >> Yeah, he's a uh firearms person. >> Okay. >> So, we should be sure.

>> All right. Then, as soon as we get the. jury in, we'll u proceed with that one. short witness and then we'll take our. lunch break. You had said there were six witnesses. you wanted to get on and we've done five. >> and then one in the afternoon. >> So the six is in the afternoon. Understood. Okay. >> We believe you should take most if not. all of the. >> Okay. No worries. >> Maybe not.

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pressure. So the party states to the point of the. jury. >> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. >> Okay. You may be seated.

>> All right. You may call your next. witness. >> Thank you, honor. Call. Solemnly swear or affirm the testimony. you're about to give in this action. shall be the truth. The whole truth.

nothing but the truth. So help me God. >> I do. May I see? >> Thank you. >> Sir, if you please state your full name. and then spell it for the record. >> Mark Hatton. M A R K H A T N. >> Thank you, sir. Whenever you're ready, Mr. P. >> Thank you, honor. Uh, Mr. Hatton, how. are you employed? >> I'm currently a police officer with the. Las Vegas Metropolitan Police. Department. I was hired in 2007. I also worked as an advent technician. within the firearms unit of the Forensic. Laboratory at the Metro Forensic Lab for.

7 years from 2018 till 2025. Uh, >> can you tell us what. Integrated Ballistic Information. Network. It's a program that's overseen. by the federal agency, the Bureau of. Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and. Explosives, uh, otherwise known as the. ATF. And this is a technology that. contains hardware and software that.

takes high resolution 2D and 3D images. of a uh cartridge case that has been. fired or a cartridge, excuse me, from a. that has been fired out of the firearm. Uh it looks specifically at the. headstamp area. And I also brought a. model with me of a cartridge if the. court will allow me to use this. And I. could also pass this around to the jury. so you can get a closer look and see. exactly and understand what Nibben is. looking at. >> Mr. Hatton, you're getting a little. ahead of me, but let's go. Um, I was going to ask you, you know,

what is a cartridge case? >> Uh, cartridge case is it's a what this. is called is a cartridge. And once it's. fired, uh, the bullet gets, uh, projected out of the barrel and the. cartridge case gets ejected from the. firearm and, uh, basically contains all. the components of a cartridge, including. the bullet, the cartridge case. Can I. use. >> and so it appears you brought a. demonstrative, your honor? May the. witness use the demonstrative for the.

purposes of explaining it to the jury. >> Is it the tube? Yeah. Okay. Yes, you. may. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. So during the firing process uh. when somebody pulls a trigger this. bullet will uh project out of the barrel. and this is the cartridge case. This is. the head stamp area. It can be stamped. uh with the uh manufacturer. uh of the ammunition as well as the. caliber. And this is the uh what NIB. looks at specifically the primer area.

which contains a small explosive that. ignites the gunpowder within the. cartridge case. And then on the back of. the cartridge you had mentioned that or. the cartridge case you had mentioned. that the the strike that causes the. explosion to expunge the bullet. Is that. strike unique or something that you look. at in determining whether or not a. cartridge has been fired from a similar. the same gun?

>> Uh yes, it's uh it's unique uh cuz. during the manufacturing process of the. firearm uh has tooling marks and it's. hardened steel. Um this metal is soft. So this comes out at very high velocity. So when that slams into the firearm, it. imparts its unique markings from that. tooling process directly onto the. cartridge case. >> Now I'm going to direct your attention. to uh case number 96907-2063.

Were you asked to do some work on that. case? >> Yes, I was. And um is it fair to say. that and the jury's already heard this. and they've been received in evidence. that uh seven cartridge cases with a. headstamp of 140 SNW were recovered from. that scene. >> That's correct. >> And then um the initially when this case. first occurred in 1996, they were run. through the database that existed in. 1996. Is that fair to say?

>> Uh not in 1996. It was in 2003 because. Nibbin was not created. It was a program. called drugfire and NABN actually was. implemented in 1997, but of course it. takes time to build up the database. So. it really wasn't readily uh the database. wasn't built up until about the early. 2000s. So that's when they actually. initially entered this cartridge case uh. into the NIAN system. So in 1996 it was.

drug fire and then in 2003. uh it was re-entered into into non is. that very. >> I don't have any knowledge if this was. entered into drug fire. >> So we'll focus on 2003 the knife entry. Um did um did the cartridges used in. this particular cartridge cases. collected in this case match any other. cartridge cases um that were entered. into NIA back in 2003. They did not. >> Um, did they match any other firearm.

that was recovered by 2003? >> They did not. >> Now, in 2023, were you asked to reenter these. cartridge cases or re-examine them. within the NY system? >> Yes, I was. >> Um, and that request uh I think was made. by uh Mark Kjakov. >> Yes, it was. >> And had technology changed between 2003. and 2023? >> Yes. So that 20-y year period, yes, the. cameras and the resolution has.

definitely improved over that 20-y year. uh time frame. >> And is it uh also fair to say that. probably in the intervening 20 years, more cartridge cases and more firearms. have been entered into uh the Nimid. system. >> Uh yes, it's the gold standard of of of. that that type of ballistics. So. everybody uses it now. And yes, there's. millions of images in the database. >> And and did you actually conduct the did.

you actually look into NBIN to see. whether or not this cartridge ca or this. cartridge case matched any other. cartridge case that was entered into. NIN? >> Yes, I entered it into NBN myself and we. did a nationwide search and it looked. throughout the entire country. Um and. then the NBIN results uh had no. associations other to the original entry. from 2003. >> So what you learned from NIN is when you.

entered the cartridge in 2003, it. matched the cartridge you entered in. 2023. >> That's correct. >> But nationwide uh it did not match any. other cartridge case that would that had. been previously entered into. >> No, it did not. pass. >> any uh sorry cross- examination Mr. Smith. >> um sir you're the. did you actually look at the actual. cartridge casings themselves?

>> Yes, I looked all seven side by side and. I strained them and then grouped them. into one grouping which represents one. firearm. >> All right. And uh as far as you recall. or understand that the cartridge casings. were located at one scene, not multiple. scenes. >> Um I didn't look into the case notes. Uh. that's try to keep our uh distance. We. don't do any investigative work at the. lab. So we don't want to bias our mind. to what was So I did not review any of.

the crime scene photos, any of the. diagrams. I do not know. All I know is I. have seven cartridge cases. How do they. group? and uh which ones to enter. >> Okay. And so out of the seven, all of. them looked like they were fired from. the same firearm. >> Yes, they had similar visual. characteristics and I entered one uh. which I assigned as lab item one. >> I see. So no one of them was different. like indicating maybe another gun was. used. All of them were from the same. gun. >> That's correct. >> No further questions. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Anything further state?

>> No. >> Any questions from our jurors? >> Seeing none, thank you Mr. Hatton. You. are free to go. >> Thank you, your honor. Excused. >> That was our short witness before the. lunch break. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay, sounds good. So, at this time, we. are going to take our lunch break. During this recess, you are admonished. not to talk or converse amongst. yourselves or with anyone else on any. subject to the trial or read, watch, or. listen to any report of a commentary on. the trial of any person connected with. this case by any medium of information, including without limitation, news, favorite, television, internet, and. radio, or form or express any opinion on.

any subject connected with the trial. till the case is submitted to you. We'll. have you guys back here at 1 p.m. for. further testimony. Please rise for the. jury.

For the record, the jury decided the. room. Anything we need to address. outside the presence? >> Yeah. Yes, your honor. So, we're going. to have uh Robert Lad testify at one of. whenever we come back at. >> Okay, you can be seated. And um there. was this outstanding issue um during our. gang motion about the term shot caller. Um now in the interim we found that that. uh Mr. Davis refers to himself as the.

shot caller in the book. I don't know. that that was pointed out. I had not. realized that at the time of that. motion. So I certainly failed to point. that out. Um but uh at this point the. state's going to be asking that we allow. Mr. glad to use that term. I've when I. pre-trial him last night, I told him he. is not allowed to use it unless the. court gives a go-ahad. So, he's aware of. that prohibition, but I think. >> the idea that he was going to be the one. to lay the foundation that he was the. shot that allegedly QPD was the shot.

caller. So, we can use that term and. attempt to lay the foundation and then I. guess we can just um at some point you. can approach and say is that been. conclusively established or something. >> So, I just want to know the mechanism. So, I'll I'm not going to have him say. it uh at all and then I will try and lay. the general gang foundation and then. I'll. align the lily the foundation for Mr. Davis's role within the gang and at that. point I'll probably just ask to approach. out of an abundance of caution and then. see if the foundation. >> does that work for you Mr. Sam?

>> It does your honor. I do have one. further housekeeper. issue. >> Um. >> yes. >> Okay. The other issue is that um we're. asking the court to see if we could just. exclude putting on the record or. publishing to everybody the addresses of. my client in terms of where his family. still lives today. So if we're going to talk about a. location that would just use maybe the. street name to differentiate. >> I think that's appropriate um for the.

not to give the exact address. >> So can we say like a 3600 block? Can we. can we I I think the it's a little. complicated because there's a 1405 and a. for there's two there's two houses on. the same block and so I think if we're. if Mr. Sam doesn't object to us just. saying that on the search warrants it's. listed as Mr. Davis's house without. giving the actual address or uh Mr. Anderson's uh or Miss Anderson's house. without giving the actual address. I'm.

happy to do that. Like I'm not trying to. cause any problems. It's just that I. don't want I don't want the vag vagory. used against us. >> Sure. Would that would that compromise. work for your purposes? >> Yes, your honor. Because I think that's. all we're asking is just referring to. who the house is. The exhibits. themselves that will be admitted list. the actual address, but we won't display. those portions of the exhibits publicly. if that helps. >> Thank you. Yes,

>> sounds good. >> Okay. Anything else on that thing, Mr. Samson? >> No. >> Okay. Anything else we need to address. in general? >> Look, hearing nothing. We'll be in. recess. Thanks, guys. >> When are we coming back? >> One:00.

record. We're on record in state versus. data C377 407. Anything anything that we. need to address outside the presence of. the jurors? >> Not from the state. Not at all. >> Okay. And we have Mr. Lad. >> Yes. >> Ready to go? >> Okay. We don't have to delay for him. Perfect. All right. We'll get the jurors. lined up and we'll bring them. They are. lined up. >> Okay. Perfect. And just so I'm aware, um, 1:00 tomorrow.

is the plan. >> Yes, 1:00 tomorrow. I think this is our. last, this is our last witness for. today. I don't I just I don't know how. long it's going to take, but. >> So, um, once I have them recessed after. this witness, we'll tell them to come. back come back at 1 p.m. tomorrow. >> Correct. >> Okay, perfect. Sounds good. >> And are we still starting on Thursday? >> Uh, that's the idea. If you guys have if you. guys are ready at that time so you guys.

can talk about it. Let me know. >> Yes ma'am. >> Okay. Perfect.

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So the party stipulates to the presence. of the jury. >> Okay, you may all be seated. >> Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. I. hope you liked the lunch. Um, we are. still in the state's case and chief, Mr. Paul, you're standing up. So, I assume. you're calling your next witness. >> Uh, yes, your honor. Call Robert Black.

Swear the testimony you're about to give. in this action show the truth, the whole. truth, and nothing but the truth. So, help me God. >> I do. >> You may be seated. >> May I please have you state and spell. your first and last name for the record? >> Robert Lad. R O B E R T L A D.

>> You may proceed, Mr. B. >> Thank you, honor. Um, good afternoon, Mr. Lad. >> How you doing, sir? >> Uh, sir, can you tell us a little bit. about your employment? >> Yes, I'm retired now, but I was a police. officer for 32 years. And. >> where did you start your career? >> I started in 1983 when I was hired by. the city of Compton. >> And uh, what was your initial position. with the city of Compton? >> A patrol officer. >> And then did you um change positions at.

some point? Yes. When I when I was a patrol officer. for several years and that really was my. beginning introduction into the world of. the Crips and Bloods because most of the. radio calls that we got in Compton. revolved around gang activity. So I got. to learn their you know the way they. dress the territories. um how to read graffiti and then in 1988. I was promoted to the gang unit. Um, and.

for our edification, how big is Compton? >> Compton's a 10 square mile city. Had a. population of 100,000 people and we had. 55 active gangs in this little 10 square. mile city. >> And is it fair to say that most of the. gangs were affiliated either with um the. crips or blood or mob um and various. subsets of those types of groups? Yes, it was basically Crips, Pyuse, and. Hispanic gangs. Okay. Um,

>> Mr. PL, you've reminded me this may be a. good time to read the Taris instruction, right? >> Um, ladies and gentlemen, you are going. to hear testimony regarding uh drug. trafficking, conspiracy, federal. convictions, as well as gang. affiliation. These are not offered to. show uh the defendants's propensity to. commit crime or any other um improper. purpose, and you may not consider it for. those purposes. It is only offered to. establish the credibility of his prior. statement, the statements made by. defendant motive and identity. You may. proceed, Mr. Paw.

>> Thank you, honor. Um, all right. And. then tell us a little bit about uh your. career um in terms of you said in 1983. you became a patrol officer and you were. patrolling Compton which had you. responding to a lot of gang related. calls. Is that fair to say? >> That's correct. >> And then in uh you ultimately be go to. the gang unit. Is that correct? Yes. >> And did you were you assigned a partner? >> Yes, my partner was Tim Brennan. >> And then who was the uh lieutenant in.

charge of the gang unit at the time? >> Um Lieutenant Reggie Wright, senior. >> Um during your time as a gang detective, did you have uh did you also respond to. a lot of gang activity in Compton? >> Yes. When I got into the gang in 1988, um, Compton was a very violent city. We. were averaging 70 to 80 homicides a year. and hundreds and hundreds of shootings. Um, so my responsibilities now were to. investigate all gang related crimes, um,

gather intelligence and photograph and. identify gang members. And I also went. out on a um, a daily basis and try to. contact gang members and talk to them. when I arrested them. And also I try to. talk to them out in the field so I can. kind of build a rapport with these gang. members out there. >> Okay. So I mean you'll have to forgive. me but when I think of a. a officer detective rolling through. Compton and trying to start up a. conversation with a gang member, it.

seems weird to me that the gang member. would want to interact with you at all. Like how did you develop that rapport? >> Well, it doesn't it doesn't happen. overnight. It took takes several years. you got to uh you just got to treat them. fair and you and you have to um talk to. them like you'd want to be talked to. And we didn't sweat them on the small. stuff. We let patrol kind of do that. For instance, if they were out there. just drinking some beer or smoking some. marijuana or whatever. We'd come up and. we talk to them, say, "Man, we're not.

going to sweat you on that stuff." And. so over time, they say, "All right, this. guy's pretty cool. We'll talk to him.". And then um your uh partner Tim Brennan, he ultimately was given a nickname. Blondie. Is that right? >> Yes. DJ Quick wrote an underground song. about it and it was called Blondie. So. everybody in the Compton knew my partner. as Blondie. He kind of became famous. over it. Can you tell me a little bit about um.

any type of gang training that you've. given u as somebody who has uh dealt. with bloods and crips in Compton. specifically? >> Yes. Um it was from 2001 to about 2010. that my partner Tim and I um we taught. at many national seminars um right here. in Vegas and in California also. And. this is where thousands of police. officers come from all over the country.

as well as around the world to learn. about the Crips and Blood. And so we. taught them about that. >> Um, you know, you had mentioned that in. a city as small as a 100,000 people, you. would have somewhere between 50 to 60 or. more homicides a year and then. additional hundreds of shootings. Um, can you tell us a little bit about that. about the uh volume of these types of. cases? Were they mostly gang related. shootings and homicides? >> Most of them were. Yes. And uh in 1993 I.

was promoted to gang homicide detective. and started handling all the gang. homicides too. Um I did this till. the year 2000. And so I spent 12 straight years in the. gang unit. And during that time I. handled hundreds of homicide cases and. thousands of shooting. And I I I. actually talked to thousands of gang. members and I gotten to know really the. way they talk, the way they think, the.

way they act, basically their overall. mentality about gang life in general. I. want to talk to you a little bit about. some of the difficulties associated with. investigating gang cases. Um, as. somebody who did hundreds of. investigations and homicides and. thousands of shootings, did gang cases. in particular present investigatory. problems? Absolutely. Um gang cases are. they're the hardest to solve. Um. especially in Compton because there's a. code out in the street where um you're.

not supposed to talk to the police, you're not supposed to go to court or. you get labeled a snitch. And the other. problems that we have is that the good. citizens that actually see what happened. and want to come forward, they're afraid. to. They get intimidated by these. gangsters. And so, um we really they're. really hard. we really don't have any. witnesses, so we kind of rely on a lot. of informants to to get our information. out there in the streets.

>> And then you mentioned relying on. informants, but is it fair to say that. if somebody wants to if you if a case. needs to be prosecuted or brought to. court, somebody can't remain a. confidential, reliable informant? They. actually have to reveal who they are. >> That's true. And as part of your. investigating homicides and shootings, was that a problem to get people to come. forward uh as and testify as opposed to. giving giving you information on. background? >> Yes, it's very difficult because when.

they come to court, if you can get them. to come to court, they don't want to um. get involved. They don't want to say. anything. So, they're not cooperating. And you said um being labeled a snitch. was something that was frowned upon. In. your training and experience, were there. any other types of consequences for. people who are labeled snitches in. Compton got in gang life? >> Absolutely. The they these guys take the. code very seriously and if you get.

labeled a snitch, it's probably the. worst thing that can happen to you as a. gang member. um you're probably going to have to. leave the state if you want to get, you. know, if you don't want to get severely. beaten down all the way up to getting. murdered. So, they take it very. seriously. >> Now, I'm going to ask you now about a. gang in particular. I'm going to ask you. about um well, I'm going to ask you. about the Southside Compton Crips. During your time in Compton, California,

were you familiar with the Southside. Compton Crips? >> Yes, sir. And can you tell us a little. bit about uh the Southside Compton. Crips? >> Yes, the Southside Crips uh they're. located in the southeast portion of our. city and their area. They're one of our. larger gangs. It's probably a half miles. in every direction. Um there was excess. of a hundred documented um active gang. members at the time and they identified. themselves by wearing the color blue. So.

when you contacted a Southside. member, he's going to have something. blue on a a blue sho strings, a blue. rag, blue anything blue identifies him. with um being a gang member. And. also they Southside members adopted. the Seattle Mariners baseball cap. It's. a blue cap. It had a S on it and to them. the S stood for Southside Crips. Now I'm going to direct your attention.

to specifically the mid90s 1995 1996. Were you familiar with somebody by the. name of Dwayne Davis? >> Yes. >> Um were you aware was he somebody that. was a high ranking person in that gang. or a low ranking person in that gang? >> Um well as high as you can get. Yeah. Um now um. what are the uh different levels of of.

gangsters in uh Southside or just. general gangs? Are there different. levels? >> Yes, there's definitely a hierarchy. within the black gangs in Compton. Um. there's really three phases that these. guys go through. Um the first phase is. the BG or baby gangster phase. And this is the time when they're just. joining a gang. And usually most of the. time, not all the time, they get jumped. in. And by getting jumped in, you have.

to show how tough you are. So it's. probably lasts about a minute, maybe two. minutes where five, six, seven gang. members are going to try to beat this. guy up and he's got to fight with him to. show how tough he is. And if he passes, he gets to join the game. And these are. the ages between 12, 13 to 15 and 16. And this is the beginning stages. So. they're out there doing low-level crime.

such as graffiti, selling drugs for the. older gang members, and uh being. lookouts. >> And then is there a level above that? Yeah. The next level we call the. gangster phase and that's from the ages. from 15 to 16 to about 25 or 26. Now this is the stage where these guys. do the most violence. Um they're the. ones out there that are committing the. drive by shootings and murders and.

robberies and carjackings. What they're. trying to do is they're trying to earn. their stripes for the gang so they can. get kind of respect within the gang. So. this is the most violent time for these. for these gangsters. >> And then is there another level in the. hierarchy? >> Yes. The last level is um ages 25 to 26. on up. And these are the guys that a lot. of them went to prison. They're in their. gangster phase. And a lot of them are.

getting older now and they put in the. work they call earning their stripes. within the gang. They're getting their. respect. Now they're the older. gangsters. And these guys become the. leaders or shot callers of the gang. And. they tell the younger officers what to. do. And again, they take this very. seriously. Um they're if the old OGs. tell younger gangsters what to do, um. they do it without hesitation. If they. don't, there's going to be severe.

consequences. I've seen all the way from. severe beatdowns all the way up to. murder. right now in that hierarchy. So. we have uh um baby gangsters just what. was the middle one called? Just. gangsters. >> Just gangsters. >> Gangsters and then like OG's. >> Um. did you happen to know in the mid '9s. where Dwayne Davis stood in that. hierarchy? >> Yes, he was a shot caller. Uh you let me. approach. You bet.

All right. So, you're saying that uh Mr. Davis was a shot caller within the. Southside Content CS? >> Absolutely. Yes. >> And what does that mean?

>> Well, he could tell the younger. gangsters what to do if they don't. listen. Like I just said, there's going. to be severe consequences. Um the gang. me the younger gang members are supposed. to do what they they're told without. hesitation. >> Now, were you aware of um whether or not. Mr. Davis was a narcotics trafficker? >> Um yes, he was definitely a a highle. narcotics dealer. um Compton, we were a.

small city and we didn't have the. manpower or the resources to go after a. major narcotics dealer like Mr. Davis. But during my time in the gang and we. were approached by two different uh. agencies, the FBI task force really um. the DEA and FBI task force and they. would come to us because they wanted. information on Mr. Davis's. um fellow gang members who he hung.

around with. And basically they would. tell us that he's he's trafficking. narcotics across the the United States. all the way to the East Coast. >> Now, uh I want to talk a little bit more. about Mr. Davis. When would you see him. sometimes uh in Compton? >> Yes, many many times I've seen Mr. Davis. >> Um and can you uh do you see him in the. courtroom today? Yes. I. >> can you please uh uh point him out and. identify an article of clothing he's. wearing? >> Yeah, he's male black sitting at the end. of the table wearing it looks it's.

either gray or black suit. >> Um your honor, may the record reflect. the identification of the defendant in. this case? >> It will. >> Um. all right. And. how would would Mr. Davis dress in um. normal like gangster attire like you. were talking about before or would he. dress differently? >> No. know his later years after he became. the leader, whenever I'd see him, he'd. be nicely dressed have the brim hat on. and he wouldn't have anything gangster.

like on. He was always welldressed. >> Um, I'm going to ask you now about. somebody by the name of Orlando. Anderson. Were you familiar with Mr. Anderson? >> Yes, I was very familiar with Mr. Anderson. Had many, many contacts with. him. >> Okay. And uh can you tell us um how you. first became aware of Mr. Anderson's. involvement in uh gang activity if such. activity existed? >> Yes, I guess you could say I was there. for his initiation into the gang. My.

partner Tim Brennan and I we um were at. a fast food restaurant getting something. to eat. We're in the drive-thru. and this this particular restaurant was. right adjacent to Southside Creek. Territory. and there's an alley that runs um just. adjacent to it. So, we got we got our. food and we're driving out of the fast. food restaurant and all of a sudden we. heard a barrage of shots. We can hear. them hitting our car. Um.

heard about five or six shots, right? So. after the shot stopped, we we looked at. each other, jumped out of the car, made. sure we were all right, and we ran to. where the shots were coming from and. witnesses were pointing down the street. and I saw three male blacks running down. towards a known gang hangout. So these. guys ran in there. We called the troops. We subsequently arrested Orlando. Anderson and two other people. And.

during their interviews, they said that. was part of their initiation. They didn't have to be jumped in if they. tried to kill me and my partner. So they. they were automatically in the gang. And. Orlando Anderson wasn't the shooter. during this incident. >> Was not. >> was not. Okay. Um now, uh were you. familiar? Well, did Orlando Anderson, to. your knowledge, have any relation to. Dwayne Davis?

Yes, we found out that it was Ke Orlando. Anderson was uh Kephy's nephew. I'm. sorry. >> That's fine. Um and Kei is what uh Mr. Davis went by. >> Yeah. Kephy D. >> Yeah. Kephy D. Is that is that kind of. how you're used to referring to uh Mr. Kind of known by their nicknames? Really? >> Okay. And then were you also familiar. with somebody by the name of Terrence. Bubbleup Brown? >> Yes. had many contacts with Mr. Brown.

Um, he was kind of a older gangster call a. wobbler. I still considered him in the. gangster phase, but he kind of was a. little older too. >> And I guess I in the mid 90s, what phase. or what level would you say Orlando. Anderson was? >> Definitely gangster face. >> And then um uh did he go by any. nicknames that you're aware of? Orlando. Anderson. >> Yes. Baby Lane. >> And then um are were you familiar with.

somebody by the name of DeAndre Smith? >> Yes, DeAndre Smith. Many contact with. him. Again, admitted to me, Southside. member. Um his nickname was Big. Dre. >> Why was he called Big Dre? >> Cuz he was a big man. He was like 6'4, probably 300 lb. He was he was a big. guy. Um, are you were you also familiar with a. gang called Ma Pyu?

>> Yes. >> Can you tell us about Ma Pyu? >> Yes. They're gang in the city of Compton. and they're located in the northeast. portion of our city. Um, their gang used. to be called the Lutters Park Pyu. That. was their territory. In about 1975 or. 76, a group of kids over there wanted to. start their own um gang and have their. own territory. So they started up Ma. Pyu, which stands for members of Bloods. Now their area is probably a quarter.

mile in each direction and there's. probably 45 to. 50 active gang members in this gang. also. And they identify themselves by. wearing the color red. So, and just like. the crips wore anything blue, the pyuse. or bloods wore everything red. Now, um, we're going to talk a little bit about, uh, the flare up between Mob Pyro and. Southside Crips, but even before any of.

the music or any of the particular 1990s. issues that we're here to discuss, was. would it be would it be fair to say that. Ma Pyro and Southside Crips were um, natural rivals? >> Yes. The Bloods and Crips never got. along since they originated way back in. the early '7s. They're kind of like just. natural enemy because one wears red and. one wears blue. >> Um, were you familiar with whether or not uh.

Mob Pyu associated with any particular. record label in the mid '90s? >> Yes, Death Row Records. >> And were you do you know who ran Death. Row Records at the time? >> Yes, Shnai. Now, were you familiar with. Suge Knight prior to um his ascension in. Death Row Records? >> Um yeah, we had contact with him before, but not not many because he really. wasn't a gang member. He didn't really. hang out. Um but he grew up in that. neighborhood. >> Um I'm going to ask you about some of.

the people that you would associate uh. with the Mob Pyru. Um earlier, I think. now it's last week, we met with somebody. named James McDonald. Are you familiar. with James McDonald? >> Yes. Very. >> Uh do you recall what his uh nickname. was? >> Yes. Mob James. >> Now, would you uh would you go to the. McDonald house in Mob Pyu territory? >> Um yes. Um Mob James's house was kind of.

like the main hangout for the Mob Pyru. Lutters Park Pyu. Um. he had two younger brothers. um Buntry and Timmy Rue. So this was the. main hangout for the Mob Pyuse and we. would go there if you wanted to find a M. Pyru that's the first place you'd look. So we had many runins at this this Mob. James house. >> And were you familiar with somebody by. the name of Trayvon Lane? >> Yes. and uh should publish uh states.

exhibit 60. >> Do you recognize the person depicted in. states exhibit 60? >> Yes, that's Trayvon Lane. His nickname. is Trey and he's a member of the Mob. Pyth. >> Are you familiar with somebody by the. name of Roger Williams? >> Um yes I am. His nickname is Neckbone. and he's also a member of the M py. group. Now. >> actually I think I skipped something. with Trayvon Lane. We had talked about. the three levels of uh being a gangster.

What level would you say Trayvon Lane. was in the mid '9s? >> Gangster. >> So like the middle most violent level. >> Yes. >> And then with uh in the mid '9s, what. level was uh Roger Williams? >> Definitely gangster. >> Um in the mid '9s, what level was Mob. James McDonald? >> I would consider him an OG. >> And then in uh are you you'd mentioned. um Buntry? Is that Alton McDonald? >> Yes, it is. >> And in the mid '9s, what level would you.

describe him? >> Gangster. >> And then are you uh now in that. neighborhood, same neighborhood, there. was a. a person that lived there or grew up. there named Reggie Wright Jr.? Is that. fair to say? >> Yes. >> Were you familiar with Reggie Wright. Jr.? >> Very. Yes. >> And when you say very, how are you. familiar with Reggie Wright Jr.? >> Well, he used to work at the Compton. Police Department. He was a jailer and. then he went to be a full-time police. officer I think in around 1988. Um he.

was only there for like five years. because he got injured and had to. retire. Um now. I'm going to ask you uh something I. guess culturally about gang life. How. important is one's reputation in the. gang world? >> It's it's these guys. live for respect. That's that's how they. live their lives. >> And then if somebody felt as though they.

were disrespected, what would you expect. them to do? >> They have to retaliate. Um if if a gang. member is disrespected, they they have. to retaliate or they're considered a. punk out in the streets. And if you get. considered a punk out in the streets, you kind of lose your respect and. credibility. >> And what's the consequence of losing. your respect and credibility in the. streets? Well, I mean, no, you're going to be nothing. in that game, really.

>> And then, and we had talked about the. hundreds of murders that you've. investigated and the thousands of. shootings you've investigated. Was. retaliation, in your experience, ever a. motive for those shootings or murders? >> Yes. Um, I've investigated like a thousand crimes. And I would say 90% of them um are. because of disrespect. And so when you get disrespected as a.

gang member, you can expect some sort of. retaliation. >> Now, you had heard uh gathering intelligence. about this uh um Lakewood Mall incident. Is that fair to say? >> Yes. >> But you weren't there, were you? >> No. And Lake, just so we're all clear, Lakewood Mall, is that in Compton? >> No, it's several miles uh out of. Compton. >> And so that wouldn't be something for. you to investigate?

>> No. >> Um but how as a gang expert and a gang. investigator, um what to you is the. significance of somebody trying to rip. off a gang member chain? most definitely disrespect. Um. especially the chain that they were. trying to take at at the Lakewood Mall. Um it was a highly prized. medallion and these guys wore it like a.

badge of honor. So then tried to steal. this chain and and beat up this subject. It would be major display of disrespect. So now this guy's got to go back to the. Mob Pyru and Death Row Records and tell. them what happened. So the next time. they see each other, it's going to be on. like on site. Soon as they see each. other, some confrontation is going to. happen. >> And you had said that um we're talking. about the chain. We're talking about. that death row chain. Is that right?

>> Yes. Um. >> and you had mentioned that uh they were. wearing it with great pride. By they who. are you talking about? >> The entourage of Sugai. That's Trayvon. Lane. Well, back in '95, Sug Knight gave. these out as Christmas presents to his. entourage like just, you know, um. Trayvon Neckbone. Buntry. He they gave one to Reggie. Wright Jr. So, not too many people had. him at this time. So, it was a prized. possession to these guys.

Now, um I'm going to take you forward to. September 7th of 1996. Um, you're aware there you become aware. of a shooting that occurs out here in. Las Vegas September 7th, 1996. Is that. correct? >> Yes, sir. >> How do you become aware of the shooting. that occurred here in September 7th, 1996? >> Well, I was at home and I get a call. from my boss who's Reggie Wright, Senior, and he tells me that, hey, Suge.

Knight and Tupac were just shot. Tupac's. in critical condition and get ready. because it's coming back to Compton. He told me that they thought the. Southside Crips were responsible for the. shooting. >> And so when he's telling you this, um, do you now have to have a response to. this or why is he telling you. specifically to get ready? Because when you disrespect and shoot.

the biggest rap mogul on the planet and. the biggest rap star on the planet and. he surrounds himself with the mob Pyu, then there's going to be some sort of. retaliation. And all these guys were. from Compton. So when they got back to. Compton, we expected a war. >> And was there a war? >> There definitely was a war. Um can you. uh tell us about that? So in the. immediate aftermath of the Tupac Shakur.

shooting um was there did you notice an. uptick in violence in Compton? >> Yes. Two days after Tupac was shot was. our first shooting. Um, one of the OGs. was at a store on a laundry boulevard in. Compton and he was shot in the back. several times and a 10-year-old little. girl got caught in the crossfire and she. was hit and she was in critical. condition. And the guy that was shot was. a Southside member and again he was.

a shot caller for the Southside Crips. His name was Darnell Brim. >> Okay. And we've heard Darnell Brim's. name before here, but um was Darnell. Brim part of the same uh. subgroup of the Southside Crips as. Dwayne Davis? >> No, there was He was a Southside. gang member like they all were, but. there was two factions of it. There was. a group called the Burst Crew, which Mr. Davis ran and then there was a Glenco.

crew that Darnell Brim ran. >> And is it fair to say that at some point. there was a conflict between the two. groups that caused the factionalization? >> Yes, there used to be one big happy. family, but there was a disagreement. over drugs or some drugs was were stolen. from one of the birth crew members and. that's when they split apart. they start. fighting with each other and they split. apart into two different factions. Now, um.

in your understanding of gang culture, um would uh Mai Roof seeking defense, seeking retaliation, would they be. discerning about which crew or which. part of the Southside Compton Crips they. were shooting at? Or did it just be you. find a Southside and then you start. shooting? Yeah, they don't care when. when when they go hunting for somebody. They don't care what faction he's from. If he's a Southside grip member or.

they're going to go after him. >> Now, uh certainly that wasn't the only. shooting that occurred in the immediate. aftermath of the two boxer core. shooting. Is that correct? >> That's correct. We had a three murders. and 10 attempted murder drive by. shootings that happened within a 10-day. period in Compton. And is that when um. and were those shootings going back and. forth related to Ma Pyu and Southside. Crips? >> Yes. >> So I mean you had mentioned earlier.

there's 53 or 50 plus uh gangs in this. 10 square mile radius but during this. particular heightened uh sense of. violence that what was go what was. happening was the shooting back and. forth between Pyro and South Crips. >> Yes. But basically what it told me as a. gang investig gator right after the. first shooting of Darnell Brim, to me. there was no doubt in my mind that the. Southside Crips were responsible because.

the Ma Pyu had to retaliate and they had. 54 other gangs to choose from, but they. went right after the Southside Crips. So. there's no doubt in mind he was. responsible for shooting um two pocket. ship knives. Now, as a result of this, in October, do. you um and your partner Tim Brennan. um put together a multi- house uh search. warrant? >> That is correct.

>> And what was the purpose of uh this. search warrant? >> Well, we had two purposes really. One, there was a war in the city of Compton. and innocent people were getting shot as. well as gang members. And so we wanted. to put a stop to that. So by hitting. houses on both sides, both the Pyuse and. the Crips and we try wanted to quell the. violence and try to stop it. Um the. other reason was we wanted to try to. help Las Vegas PD with their. investigation.

of the shooting of Tupac and Shook. Now, when you said you wanted to help the uh. Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department. in their investigation of who shot Tupac. and Suge, um can you elaborate more on. how you believed this search warrant. might help uh Metro in its. investigation? >> Um yes. The way we handle gang related. homicides is when we did these search. warrants, we'd find a reason hopefully.

to arrest them. We'd find guns or. narcotics in their house and then we'd. bring them down to the station. So you. would have all the players that were. involved like that we were heard about. that was involved in the shooting of. Tupac Secure. So we rounded them all up. and hopefully Las Vegas PD would come. down and try to interview him, try to. get one of them to cop out or to try to. put him in Las Vegas, whatever they want. to do on their investigation of the. murder. We rounded up all the people for.

them. So that's how we helped them. >> So the search warrant serve two purpose. You have an active war going on and. you're trying to slow the violence in. Compton, but you're also thinking, well, maybe we can um get some of the folks. who we think might be involved in the. Tupac shooting to start talking as well. >> Correct. >> Um and um did Las Vegas Metropolitan. Police Department send uh detectives out. here for that purpose or out there for. that purpose? Yes, they sent two. detectives.

>> Um, now with regards to the uh search. warrant itself, um, were a number of. firearms recovered as well? >> Yes. >> And um, was part of the goal that maybe. uh, not only just take this guns off the. street for the Compton war, but was. there a hope that maybe the firearm for. the Tupacore murder might be recovered. as well? >> That's correct. Also, >> it's fair to say that that did not. happen. >> That's correct. You know, I'm actually. going to approach uh with states uh. proposed exhibit number 161. >> You may.

>> I'm showing you what's proposed states. exhibit number 161. >> I got to get my glasses on. >> No problem. Okay. >> Um, uh, do you recognize what's in states.

what states proposed exhibit. 161 is? >> Yes, it's a search warrant. >> And, uh, can you open it up and look. through it? Do you recognize the search. warrant? >> Yes, I do. It was a search warrant that. we prepared. Well, Tim wrote um, after. the Tupac shooting. And was it uh did. you assist him in the investigation that. led up to the search warrant? >> Yes. >> And did you assist him in giving him the. information in order to get the probable. cause? >> Definitely. Yes.

>> And then did you also assist in. executing that search warrant? >> Yes. >> State proposed exhibit 161. >> Any objection, Mr. Sam? >> No objection. >> So admitted. Now, um there's been uh some allegation. that uh the Compton Police Department. was only focused on the southside crypts. when it came to trying to stop this war. and stop this violence. Is it fair to. say that among the houses um that were.

searched included a large number of Ma. Pyru houses along with Southside Crips. houses? >> Yes, definitely. We hit houses on many. houses on both sides. And is it fair to. say that is a total of. 38 residences that were uh looked into? >> Yes. >> And to include uh members of M Pyro and. Southside Compton Crips. >> Yes. >> Now.

to approach. >> I'm going to show you what's been. previously marked as states exhibits. 162. and 163. Uh, do you recognize what these are? >> Yes. >> What are they? >> These are um evidence that we collected. at the scene. >> Okay. And without going into the. addresses, um, is it fair to say that. these were evidence that were collected. from uh, Dwayne Davis's house and Dwayne.

Davis's family's house? >> Yes. >> Okay. Now, I'm going to move states. exhibits 162 and 163 evidence. Any. objection? >> No objection. >> So admitted. >> Okay. I'm going to uh first uh turn your. attention to states exhibit 162. Can you. finish that?

>> Yeah. You just want me to avoid the. address though, right? We have to avoid the address. So maybe. take it off me, >> Jessica. Maybe take it off me while it. comes up. >> so we can avoid the address itself. >> What page do you want, Mr. >> The fourth page, please?

>> Actually, no. I'm sorry. Can you do the. uh second page first? Okay. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, this is the uh uh the first. address we're going to talk about here. And again, we're not going to go into. what the actual address is, but do you. uh recognize the people that are listed. that were located at the address?

Yes. >> And uh fair to say they were uh uh. members of Mr. Davis's family. >> Yes. >> Now I'm going to turn your attention to. uh the next page. and uh under um. on line number five, do you see what's.

uh listed there as the receipt? >> Yes. And line number five is one hotel's. receipt. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> And then line number six is one Compton. Municipal Court subpoena. Is that. correct? >> Yes. >> I showed it to him yesterday. >> Then I'm going to show you um states.

exhibits 163. See if we can take it off. us for a second. Give me half a second here.

Sorry. Can we approach? I don't I think. you're just have to show it to him, Mr. Law. I don't think we can put it up. Okay. Is what it says. So, I'm showing you page three. of states exhibit 163. Is can you tell. us what this document actually is? Yeah, it's a receipt for property taken.

>> And then I'm going to It actually. mentions uh who uh is taking some of the. property here, doesn't it? >> Yes. >> And who's that? >> Myself. >> Okay. And then uh one is a letter from. the Excalibur Casino. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> And then the other is a envelope. addressed to Orlando Anderson. Is that. correct? >> Yes. >> And then uh the third is miscellaneous. bills addressed to Orlando Anderson as. well. Is that correct? Yes.

>> And all these three items were collected. by you. Is that fair to say? >> Yes. >> So from Mr. Davis's home. and well, we'll start with 163. Um, we. have from Mr. Anderson's home, we have a. a receipt from the Excalibur. Is that. correct? >> Yes. >> And then from And is part of the reason.

why you're collecting that receipt is. because it's relevant to the. investigation as to who shot Mr. Shakur. >> Yes. We thought it might be significant. that it showed that Mr. Davis was in Las. Vegas at the time of the shooting. >> I guess in this one, it's Mr. Anderson, correct? >> Yeah. >> And then with from Mr. um. uh from Mr. Davis's house. There's also. a receipt um a hotel receipt that was. collected. Is that fair?

>> Yes. Yeah, I'm going to approach uh I'm going. to show you stage 160. and we're not we're not going to talk. about the addresses specifically, but.

the two addresses attributed to and Mr. Anderson and Mr. Davis, um one is at the. top and then one is at the bottom with a. red dot. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> It's fair to say that they are very. close to each other. >> Yes. Approve 116 evidence. >> Any objection? >> No objection. >> Submit. >> Were you So, Mr. Anderson, was he one of.

the people that was caught up during the. search warrant? This 38 house search. warrant? >> Yes. >> And uh was Mr. Davis around during the. 38 person 38 house search warrant. >> No, we couldn't locate him. >> So, you were able to locate Mr. Anderson, but Mr. Davis was just not. around. >> Correct. >> And you don't know why or how that is? >> That's correct. >> Um, but with regards to Mr. Anderson, it's fair to say Mr. Anderson at that. point is a person of interest at least.

in the shooting of Mr. Shakur. >> Definitely. Yes. And then um at that. point, do you make him available for. questioning with uh Detective Becker. from LA from LVMPD? >> Yes. >> And does uh Mr. Becker make an attempt. to question Mr. Anderson? >> Yes. >> And did any useful or relevant. information come out during the course. of that questioning?

>> Not that I was aware. Now, let's fast forward a little bit. during um you are aware that six months. later, Christopher Wallace, also known. as the notorious B.I., also known as Big. East Walls, he was killed in Los. Angeles. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Now, was that in the Compton area? >> No. >> And so, were you responsible for the. investigation to Christopher Moss? >> No. Um, but did you end up assisting uh.

the LAPD in trying to execute search. warrants in an attempt to gather. information on the murder of Christopher. Wallace? >> Yes. >> Why were you uh the person or you and. Mr. Brennan the person that LAPD would. ask for assistance? because we knew who. all the players were and we told them at. the time that they had a little internal. feud going with each other and we were. getting ready to do search warrants on.

them. So you were getting ready to they. were having an internal feud. Is it fair. to say that the 1997. search warrant served a dual purpose in. a similar way that the 1996 search. warrant served? >> Yes. So like in in 1996 you have a war. between uh Ma Pyu and Southside Crips. and you're also trying to see if you can. get any information related to the Tupac. murder. Is that fair? >> Correct. >> And then in 1997. you had mentioned that there was an.

internal feud that had gotten violent. Is it fair to say that the Burus Street. crew and the Glen Cove Street crew uh. crew on the southside Compton Crest that. they had started engaged in their own. violent view? >> Yes, definitely. >> And as a result and at that same time. there was some question as to whether or. not members of the Southside Crips may. be involved in the murder of Chris. >> Correct. And so um is were those two. goals uh or those two functions part of.

the reason or the basis for executing. the six months? >> Yes. >> Now. I'm going to show you what's been. previously admitted as states exhibit. 136. >> Do you recognize states exhibit 136? >> Yes. This is a search warrant we we did. on. >> and we're not going to talk about.

addresses by agreement, but it's a. search you did on a a different house. from the houses that you did um in 1996. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> And this is a different residence that. was associated with Mr. Davis. Is that. fair? >> Yes.

H46. It's not actually 136, but. it is. Just give me a second. Unfortunately, this we're just pulling. that. Sure. Jessica, you can hold on me.

And Mr. Dejako, do you mind zooming in a. little bit? Yeah, if I can figure out how to make. the zoom work on this. That didn't work. Let's see. >> The Zoom tools don't work. >> Well, Mr. Lad, we're going to do this. the oldfashioned way. It's going to be. up there, but I want to show you page. four of uh 136. It's still up there on.

the screen as well. On page four, we. have another receipt of property taken. Is that right? >> Yes. >> And on line four, uh what do we have? see a money due bill for the Monte Carlo. Casino. >> Now, in relation to this search warrant. as well as the other search warrant, really, you can only take property that. would be related to the investigation. Correct. >> Correct. >> So, like if I I couldn't take just any.

random property just because I have a. search warrant, can I? >> No. >> You have to take things that are related. to the actual search warrant. >> Correct. Now I am going to ask you did you spend. um you said you had worked at Compton. till about how long actually let me. rephrase how long did you work at the. city of Compton for. >> from 1983 to 2001? >> Um. >> I'm sorry 2000. >> Okay. Is it fair to say that at some.

point the uh Compton Police Department. got uh swallowed up by the LA Sheriff's. Office? Yes. >> And did did you stay with uh did you. sign on to the LA Sheriff's Office after. that? >> Yes. >> Do you recall approximately how many of. the Compton police officers stayed with. the LA Sheriff's Office? Uh. >> oh, go ahead. >> I'm sorry. >> I don't want it to be like yesterday. where we keep on interrupting each. other. Uh, and the uh do you recall how.

many of the Compton Police officers were. hired on by the LA Sheriff's Office when. LA Sheriff's Office took over Compton. Police Department? >> Yeah, I'm I'm not sure the exact number. I think there was like 103 of us and I. think all but two were hired by the. sheriff's department. Um, now you you ultimately left the LA. Sheriff's Office. Is that correct?

>> Yeah. >> And then uh where did you go to work. after that? >> Um, I latered over to a agency, Garden. Grove PD in Orange County. >> Probably a little bit uh safer than the. Compton Police Department. >> You could say that. Yes. >> Um, >> it was still a busy city, but wasn't. nothing like Compton. And then uh during. that time period is when you started uh. giving talks with the detective uh. Brennan regarding your experience. working blooding cry gangs in Compton. >> Yeah. >> Um.

>> is it uh fair to say that uh Detective. Brennan is no longer with us? >> Yes. He passed away of cancer several. years ago. Oh, yeah. You know, I had forgotten. about one of the um. murders I wanted to talk or one of the. shootings I wanted to talk to you about. during the uh war that escalated.

immediately after the shooting of Tupac. Shakur. So, I'm going back a little bit. and I apologize for that. >> Okay. >> Um, one of the people that was shot was. a man by the name of Bobby Fitch. Is. that correct? Yes. >> And um Bobby Finch was actually killed. on September 11th. Is that fair? >> Yes. >> Um did where did Bobby Finch live in. relation to Corey Edwards. >> next door?

>> Was Bobby Finch a gang member? >> No. >> Um was Corey Edwards a gang member? >> Yes. >> And what gang did he belong to? >> Southside Crips. Doory. look. >> And do Bobby Fish and Cory Edwards look. alike? >> Yes, they did. >> See, I'll pass my. >> Does anyone need to use the restroom. before we get into cross? Seeing no. hands, Mr. Sam. Oh, >> we're good. You're good.

>> Restroom. >> Restroom. Okay, perfect. All right. During this recess, you're admonished. not to talk or converse amongst. yourselves or with anyone else on any. subject connected to the trial or read, watch or listen any report or commentary. on the trial of any person connected. with this case by any medium of. information, including without. limitation, newspaper, television, internet, and radio or form or express. any opinion on any subject, textile. until the case is submitted to you. We'll have you guys back here at let's. say 2:15. Please rise for the jury.

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for the rest of the Exit the room will. be in recess.

Back on record in state versus Davis. C377407. Anything we need to address outside the. presence before we bring the jury in? >> Top of the state. No. >> Okay, let's bring them in. >> Not ready yet. >> I guess we should stand since they're. coming in.

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Uh, did the party stipulate the presence. of the jury? >> Yes, your honor. >> Yes, sir. >> You may be seated.

>> All right, we're on cross. So, whenever. you're ready, Mr. Stamp, you may. proceed. Mr. L, welcome to Las Vegas. >> Thank you. Uh, now during your time in Compton, uh, seems like it was pretty colorful time. while you were there. >> Very active. Yes. >> Uh, there's a there's a movie called I.

think End of Watch. Have you ever. watched that movie? >> No. >> Okay. Um, have you ever watched any. movies at all from that time period? Like say uh I don't know what there was. out there. any of the LAPD movies during that time. period. Have you ever watched any of. those? >> You have to be more specific. >> I know. And I'm trying to figure out. there's another one out there besides. watch. Um but um you you share basically. your experience working as a Compton.

police officer to the time you started. working as a detective for gangs in a. book that you wrote. >> Yes. >> And that book is called and entitled. Once Upon a Time in Compton, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. Now you do write this book uh in. addition to Timothy Brennan, your. partner. >> Yes. Now, um, in the book, uh, you know, I've read the book, when you guys are. working together as a team, it's, uh, it's Tim and Bob, right? In the book, you guys, Tim and Bob, we did this, Tim.

and Bob, we did that, right? >> Yes. >> Now, the book itself, as you created the. book, um, fair to say that that was a. book that, uh, I would think that you. would be proud of, the work that you put. into the book. >> Yes. And uh in terms of the book itself, you could sit here basically as you're. talking with us and this jury today that. the book is accurate in terms of what. you recall during the time period, right? >> Yes. >> And you would have taken great pains to. make sure that that book was accurate.

before it was published. >> Yes. meaning for instance if you read. something in the book that wasn't. accurate and it wasn't published yet you. would make a note to either tell p Tim. or this other lady I think her name is. Lolita that hey this isn't quite right I. don't remember that and there would be. some discussion maybe changing or. something right. >> yes okay and in order for you to write. the book and I think you published this. book. in 2017. >> correct. >> uh that was and you started working for.

Compton in What year? >> 1983. >> So, and you start off in the book from. 1983 on in terms of your experience. working as a police officer in Compton. as well as Tim's experience working as a. police officer in Compton, right? >> Yes. >> Did you uh I would imagine you would. have used notes and um that kind of. thing to help refresh your recollection. and help remind you of certain events, certain cases, that kind of thing. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Because in the book for instance,

there's a lot of different people you. run into and there's a lot of different. scenarios you run into as well, right? >> Yes. Most of it was off based off our. memories, but. >> yeah, >> like for the search warrant or whatever, we could go back to search warrant and. look at that to refresh our memories, but. >> most of the stories are just from my. memory. >> Yeah. And um fair to say, of course, it's also Tim's memory as well. So. something that you would remember, he. would remember, vice versa, and you go, "Oh yeah, I remember this now." And you. would say, "Oh, yeah, I remember that.

now." Right. >> Yes. >> So part of the book in in essence really. is a uh it's a it's team between you and. Tim uh and Lolita writing the book for. you. >> It's a collaboration. >> Collaboration. Okay. Now, did you write. any of the book yourself? Um, I wrote I basically we got Lolita Files. to write the book and we told the story. to her, >> right? And so. >> she she actually wrote it, but it's our. story, >> right? And and Lolita meaning that this.

was an experienced writer uh that you. recall right before she wrote the book. >> Absolutely. uh and uh when she wrote the book. Can. you tell us a little bit about Lolita, who she was. >> as a writer? >> Um yeah, she wrote she had several books. that were published prior to that and. she was uh very up on the hiphop scene. So when we got together and we kind of. just clicked and we collaborated to.

write the book. >> And in terms of her background and so. forth, did she go to school for that? >> I'm not sure. >> All right. Uh, and was she working as a. journalist or a writer prior to you. meeting her to write this book? >> Yes. >> Now, in addition to that, um, throughout. the course of the book, you do put put. pictures in here and, uh, pictures of you with darker hair and, uh, and and less of a goatee and more of. a looks like just a actually one without. a picture of uh, no much facial.

expression whatsoever. There's a picture. of you as a young uh police officer. Now, the the purpose for these pictures. in your book is really to help establish. the you know some of the things that. were happening during that time period. so the reader could see visually what. was going on. Right. >> Correct. Now in addition to that in the. book um you had put as well and uh the. book the the picture let's see the. picture that I was looking at is this. picture right here. You call this.

picture? >> Yes. Yeah. So, um, and once again, it's. just to show your experience while you. were being a a police officer in. Compton, right? >> Yes. >> Now, in addition to that though, you do. put in the back of your book some. documents uh that were documents uh that. you used in furtherance of uh your job. as a detective at some point, right? >> I don't really understand that question. >> Meaning uh for instance, in the back of. your book, you do put in here uh a map. of the Compton area gangs, for instance.

Yes. >> You also put in here and the Compton. area gangster for the jury. We're. talking just to to highlight how compact. of an area the city of Compton was and. how many different areas was claimed by. different types of gangs. Fair. >> Fair. >> Okay. In addition to that, you also had. included in here um the affidavit the. the search warrant that we just talked. about before, right? This 40 area search. warrant. >> Yes. >> You put that in the book as well. >> Yes. And just for the jury's edification.

here, for instance, none of the information in here is. redacted, meaning it's not taken out by. a black mark or anything like that. Right. Correct. All right. And I'm not. trying to get anybody in position here. for uh to be in trouble, but in essence, um the book and the information that's. in here was readily available for anyone. who wanted to buy and read it. Correct. Okay. Now, in addition to that, um, did. you have a publisher on this?

>> At the beginning, we did. Yes. >> Okay. And, uh, what do you mean at the. beginning? >> Um, well, it was a publishing company. and we kind of had a little conflict. with them, so we decided to leave them. and self-publish. >> I see. And so with Lolita's help, uh, once the book was finalized and you you. and Tim both felt good about the. finished product with Lolita, then you. just published it yourself. >> Yes. >> How does that work? >> Well, you just go to Amazon Books and.

and it kind of just runs you through it. It's it's kind of a complex uh. system that you have to do certain. things. I mean, I didn't really I didn't. really do it, so I can't really tell you. the exact steps because I'm I'm not very. good on the computer. I know how to turn. them off and I know how to turn them on. >> Well, let me ask you this in terms of. what was happening with Amazon. Once you. submitted it to Amazon, Amazon becomes a. platform that sells the book. >> Yes. >> And so if someone's interested in.

loyalty, they just look it up and they. click and they buy the book. >> Correct. Now, at some point though, as. they're buying the book, you receive a. record as to how many people have. purchased the book, right? >> Yes. >> And how much money uh you and Tim and. Lolita would potentially be making for. the sale of each book. >> Correct. >> Now, in this case, uh for instance, with. the sale of each book, I would imagine. Amazon would have taken a pretty big. chunk of the of the proceeds from the. sale of each book. >> Yes. You don't make much money.

>> Yeah. And so even though you're selling. and with regards to Once Upon a Time in. Compton, um can you tell us how many of. these books that you sold? >> No. >> Okay. Um I'm assuming at some point you. did receive a check. >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh but not something that you. could retire on. >> Oh, definitely not. >> Okay. And uh in terms of your books, do. you remember how how much they cost? Uh. how much you were selling them for? I thought it was $15.99, but I'm not.

positive on that. >> Okay. Um, right. Now, one of the things that's in. your book as well is you had uh a there. was a part of the book where you had. identified a MGM grand ticket. to the Tyson Seldman fight. Do you. recall that particular image in your. book? >> I think it was. Yeah, we we covered that. out of SH Knight's house. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

>> And uh with regard to that, um if I show. you, let me do this real quick here. The. honor, if I could approach and ask the. clerk to mark this as proposed exhibit. next order. >> Okay. >> What is the next order. >> of. She'll put it on there. Is it. >> B? Okay, got it. It'll be a minute. >> Oh, was there any objection? I.

apologize. >> I just need to say it first. >> Oh, >> no objection. >> So, may. >> you may do you recall this particular. image in your books showing you what's. been marked as BB. >> Yeah, it looks like it. Yes. >> Okay. And that was a ticket uh stub it. looks like to the Seldon Tyson fight. >> Yes. >> On September 7th, 1976.

>> Yes. >> And that ticket stub was located in. Shook Knight's house. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. just publishing for the jury here so. they can see it. >> Uh, do you recall when Shook Knight's. house was searched? >> Uh, the day that we I think it was. October 2nd, the day we served all 38.

search warrant. >> I see. And so, um, his house was one of. the houses that you were searching to. basically try to quell any potential. violence in in Compton as well as gather. information. >> Yes. Now, with regards to this. particular ticket though, because it was. captured, there was an understanding. between all the police officers. conducting all the searches at the same. time that you were looking for. information leading to the murder of. Tupac that had occurred in September.

>> Yes. >> So, with regard to this ticket, for. instance, um because it was the Seldon. Tyson fight on the night of Tupac's. murder, this ticket was was obtained by. your or kept in evidence as part of your. investigation. It wasn't part of our investigation. though. It was for Las Vegas PD. >> Right. So, let's get a little bit into. that. So, and I want to make sure that. the jury understands. So, in terms of. the actual murder investigation itself, that was the jurisdiction of Las Vegas.

Metro. >> Yes. >> Uh, and so, which I guess is difficult here, right? because potentially everyone that's a. potential suspect uh in the Las Vegas. murder potentially would have been. residing in Compton, right? >> Not necessarily, but most of them did. >> Yeah. And so on this particular day when. you're out executing the search warrant. with all the different locations, you. had invited the detectives that were. assigned to the Metro homicide.

investigation here to come out to. Compton to be present. so that they. could interview people if they wanted. to. >> Correct. >> All right. And so this particular piece. of information would have been something. that they would have been interested in, I would assume. >> Yes. All right. Now, we talked a little. bit about what was also found and you. had indicated that there were some. receipts, some hotel receipts that were located.

Uh, where did I put that? I think the state had already presented. this to the jury. What was the last. exhibit you guys put up for them? >> It's 161 and 162. It's just that's the. entire return for all locations to up.

there. Okay. Sir, what you were shown earlier in. terms of the affidavit in this case, Thank you. Um, fair to say that the uh the size of. the affidavit that were. shown to you and then once again this is. for the state or for jury's education. states exhibit 161. This particular affidavit was actually a. lot bigger, right?

>> What do you mean by that? Well, uh, meaning for instance that that you were. targeting some 38 houses, which means. that each house had its own paperwork. attached to it, which would have made. this document a lot bigger than what. this document is right now. >> Oh, for sure. >> Yeah. Uh, and then with regards to the. document, um, we're targeting or. focusing on. the first item here. looks like.

was a uh let's see here. in states exhibit number 162 there was a. reference here to a hotel receipt. right yes now the the property report. here that we're looking at on 162. which I will show without the.

This is the property report that that we. referred to earlier, right? >> Yes. >> And um the hotel receipt that's on there. is one of the items that was. taken from this particular property, right? >> Yes. >> Do you have that receipt? >> No. So unlike the for instance the shook. night ticket indicating that the you. know there was a fight and so forth uh. in you know Las Vegas September 7th 1996.

the this indicates that there was. something taken and that would have been. that hotel's receipt but you don't have. it here. >> correct. >> um do you have it do you know where its. location is at all? >> No. Now, in addition to that, you also. um in one of the other homes had. indicated that there was some. uh there was a letter from the Excalibur. Casino.

uh and so forth. I'm going to show you. this document here. This is states. exhibit 163. And just for the jury's edification. here, let me just So it looks like here. on number one, this would have been the. receipt of property taken. Correct. >> Correct. >> And underneath it here, number one would. show a letter from Excalibur Casino. addressed to Orlando Anderson. Right. >> Yes. >> All right. Do you know uh the date of.

this particular document? Um, >> it would have it would have had to be. the same day of the search warrant. >> Well, I'm sorry. I I'm talking about the. letter itself. >> Oh, no. >> Okay. Um, and do you have a copy of that. letter? >> I do not. No. >> All right. Do you know where that letter. is? >> No. >> All right. The uh next part here looks. like there's an envelope addressed to. once again Orlando Anderson. Uh and with. regards to this particular document, do. you have any indication of where that.

document is? >> No, it was booked into property though, >> right? And that's the same thing with. number three on miscellaneous bills. addressed to Orlando Anderson, right? >> Yes. >> None of these documents are addressed. directly to Mr. Dwayne Davis. Correct. >> Yes. Um and once again you when you are. searching and finding something like for. instance the Sug Knight um ticket that. document is carefully taken from the.

scene and put into evidence in a way. that would preserve the chain of custody. of something like the ticket. >> Correct. Now, in this case, when you. searched um either the two residences in. this case, uh did you find any. indication at all, any MGM grand ticket. of being on the second row of the bike, anything at all that would indicate that. Mr. Davis was actually in Las Vegas? >> No. >> Okay. Now, um in addition to that, we. had talked a little bit about the second.

search warrant and. the second search warrant. Thank you. is uh this one here, states exhibit 136. Okay. Now, um. when a search warrant is executed in. California, um the at the time it's executed, is it.

is it confidential or sealed? sometimes. Yes. >> In this particular case with this. particular search warrant, was this. search warrant sealed? >> Yes. >> And was it sealed up until the time that. the uh search had been conducted? >> Yes. >> Okay. When did this particular search. warrant become unsealed? >> Um I don't recall. >> Okay. Um, fair to say though that if. someone's charged in a in a crime based.

upon search warrants that are sealed. that that search warrant would then be. available for the defense to look at. >> Yes. >> And it would be unsealed at that point. >> Yes. >> And that would be the same of course. with the search warrant that occurred at. uh the beginning of October the year. before. Right. >> Correct. >> So in this case with this particular. search warrant here, this is dated as of. May 27th, 1997.

On this particular one here, you had. indicated. the following. This is on page four of. this document. The information that. where I think we're most interested in. is line four of that document. Right. >> Yes. Uh meaning that once again these. are items that were taken from this home. and those items uh were put into your. property or uh evidence lock.

>> Correct. >> And number four is a money due bill uh. from the Monte Carlo Casino. >> Right. >> Can you tell us the date of what this. money do bill was for? >> No. >> All right. And once again, your search. in this particular regard was actually. May of 1997, right? A few months after. quite a few months after the uh. September se 1996 shooting,

>> correct? >> In addition to that, uh in terms of that. money due, can you tell us for instance. uh who that money due bill was addressed. to? >> No. >> Okay. Now, there were some questions by the. state on that issue about the fact that. this was actually a search warrant uh. investigating into the murder of Diggy. Smalls. Remember that line of. questioning from the state? >> But fair to say, of course, that even. then as you're conducting this kind of.

investigation, you are still thinking. about the Tupac case, right? >> For sure. >> Yeah. You weren't just at that. particular point forgetting that the. Tupac murder even occurred. You're still. thinking during that time period. If you. run across something you think is. relevant, you would have identified it, right? >> Correct. >> In addition to that though, you would. have identified and you would have. called Metro and say, "Hey, by the way, we got something there that will help. you with the Tupac murder. investigation." Fair. >> Fair. >> Okay. There's no reason why you wouldn't. have done that.

>> Not that I know of. No. Now, we talked a little bit about um. the size of some of the people that were. involved here, and I think was it. DeAndre Smith, you said was a pretty big. guy. >> Yes. >> All right. And uh you said he was like. what, 6'2, 6'3, and about 300 lb? Something like that. Big guy. >> About 64, 300 lb. >> Okay. Uh did he play any sports or. anything as far as you know? >> I think he did, but I'm not positive.

What sport? Now, uh, are you aware of an. individual by the name of Terrence. Brown? >> Yes. >> And was Terrence Brown one of the. individuals that was potentially a. suspect in the Tupac murder? >> Yes. >> All right. Now, with regards to Terrence. Brown, can you describe for us how like. his size as well? >> Um, yeah, he he's approximately a little. shorter than you and just medium build. >> So, a good looking guy.

>> I'm sorry. I don't I don't know about. that. But. >> so it's a little bit shorter than me and. about my size, >> right? >> Okay. Uh let's just put it down as I'm. 6'2. So that's like uh I'm just kidding. 5'8 and something else. And then in. terms of the um the. at the time with Terrence Brown um you. are aware that Terrence Brown um. actually dies in what 2015?

>> Yes. Right. And uh when he dies um do. you know how he dies? >> Yes. >> How did he die? >> He was at a marijuana dispensary in. Compton and a robbery occurred and he. got killed during the robbery. >> So um based upon the way he um was. murdered in that case, no indication. that that was some type of retaliation. for the murder of Tupac in 1996 or that. Yeah.

>> Okay. Uh, in addition to that, in 1996, I apologize. Uh, with regard to DeAndre. Smith, do you know when he passed? >> 2004. And he died of um, medical. complications. >> Right. And as far as you know, nothing. that would have been associated with any. type of retribution or revenge for the. murder of Chuper. >> Correct. Uh, now Orlando is the one who. passes away relatively quickly after the. shooting. Yes. Approximately a year and a half.

>> Right. And in terms of uh how he passed. as he was shot and killed. >> Yes. You want me to tell you what. happened? >> Please. Um Orlando Anderson was with his. best friend Michael Dro. They were at a. burger stand in Compton and across the. street from the burger stand there was a. car wash. Um Orlando Anderson recognized the. people at the car wash. There was three. people sitting in the car and he. recognized one of them that owed him. money for some narcotics that he didn't.

pay him for. So Orlando Anderson took it upon himself. and and he initiated the confrontation. He drove up to the car and he exited. with a gun. However, one of the persons. in the other car, he they had a gun, too. So they had a a shootout at the car. wash. And then when the smoke cleared, Orlando Anderson was killed during the. shootout, as well as two other people. in the other car were killed. >> And in terms of the two other people in. the other vehicle, were they both crips?

>> Yes. >> So it wasn't a blood on sort of. shootout? >> No, >> it was just over money and drugs. >> Yes. >> Now, we've had some discussion here. about Darnell Brin, and you're you're familiar with Darnell. Brin? >> Yes. Um, and the way I'm understanding. this is that within the Southside Crips, you had two different factions. >> Correct. >> You had the Glen Co faction within.

Darnell Br. >> Yes. >> And then you had the the Bur Street. faction. >> Correct. Now in terms of the two. different um factions that we have here, uh the Bur Street faction was. a faction that was dealing with the. drugs mostly. >> Can you repeat that? >> Uh in terms of the Bur Street faction, did they deal in drugs? >> That was one of the things that they. were involved in. Yes.

>> Yeah. And uh in terms of uh the other. faction, we talked a little bit about. Darnell Brand. He was a shot caller. >> Correct. And he was a violent person. >> He had the potential of being a violent. person. Yes. >> Well, you recall in your book describing. him as a very violent person. >> I don't recall that, but if it's in. there, it's what I said. >> Okay. And once again, it would have been. something that if it wasn't true in your. book, you would have corrected it.

>> Yeah. I'm not I'm not saying he wasn't a. violent person. >> Yeah. He has definitely had the. potential to be a violent person. >> And isn't it fair to say though like. even in your book that you describe him. as being someone that was um implicated. in some attempt murders, that kind of. thing as well? >> Absolutely. >> Darnell Brit. >> Yes. >> Now Darnell Brim is shot in the back how. many days after the shooting of Tupac? >> Two. >> And in uh with regards to the shooting. in the back, do you know who shot him in.

the back? >> Ex? No. Okay. We were told it was Pyuse. though, >> right? Um, and would that fall more into. the idea of what you're saying about. retaliation in this case? >> Yes. Now, there are other people that. potentially were considered, I think, including the initial investigation here. as being part of the Tupac murder. Do. you recall a person by the name of Noel. Spank Johnson? >> Yes. >> All right. And he is also a Southside.

member, part of the Glen Cove crew. >> Correct. >> All right. Um, do you recall a person by. the name of Jerry Monk Bond? >> Yes. >> All right. Once again, part of the Glen. Co crew. >> Correct. >> And then also Orlando Anderson. >> Correct. >> Okay. So um those individuals at some. point were considered to be potentially. involved in the murder of Tupac Shakur.

Correct. >> Yes. >> Okay. Now in addition to that, um when. you had conducted the searches on Mr. Davis's home, uh and the locations that we're at, did. you ever find. money? >> Not that I'm aware of. No. >> No. vast sums of money for somebody. making 20% of $4 million a month. >> No. >> How about um expensive clothes like uh. stuff that was worth, you know, suits.

worth $6,000? Anything like that? >> I don't recall the clothing that was. inside. >> Yeah. But in terms of um you know, just. information about the individual's. living conditions, for instance, did you. find any expensive cars that he owned or. anything like that besides the low. riders and stuff that people put a lot. of work into? Well, them are expensive cars to me. So, yes, we did. >> And when you say low riders, we're. talking about, are we talking about low. riders here or BMWs? >> Monte Carlos, u you know, hydraulics,

all that kind of stuff. >> Sure. Um, and in terms of the Monte. Carlos and the hydraulics, Mr. Davis was. actually part of a um what they call a. low rider club in in uh Compton. >> Not I wasn't aware of that. >> Okay. you're not aware of u uh oh let me. ask this next question uh but in terms. of the the vehicles we're talking about. they were not for you know Mercedes-Benz. BMW nothing like that they were just.

modified cars. >> correct. now in addition to that. um. does your uh Going back to your book, do. you have anything in here like a. disclaimer that says that hey, we can't. u verify the truthfulness of the book at. all? >> I'm not sure. >> All right. If uh you were just to review. book real quick just to tell me if there.

is anything like that, would that help. your. >> honestly? I wouldn't even know where to. look. >> It should be in the front because it. would be a big warning. You want to. check it out? >> No, there's nothing in there to that. effect then. Okay. And um would it be. have you ever read um a guy by the name. of Greg Kading's book Murder? >> Some of it. Yes. >> Um can you just can you tell us who Greg. Kading was?

>> Was a LAPD sergeant. >> Okay. >> Did you have any interactions with him? >> No. Um, did he share uh in any. investigation that you were involved in? >> No. >> Um, did your partner. have any um. work with him? >> Yes. >> And the work that we're talking about is. in the task force that was assigned to. investigate the murder of Biggie Smalls.

>> Correct. >> Uh, and he was part of Tim Brandon was. part of that as long along with uh Mr. Katie. >> Correct. >> All right. Now, we had shared a little bit about. the uh swallowing up of Compton PD by. the LA Sheriff's Department. >> You call it swallowing up. I call it. absorbed or whatever, >> right? Why was that?

Well, it it would take I could tell you. in a couple minutes, but it's really a. sixmon long. thing uh thing that happened, but I can. explain it to you if you want. >> Well, I I mean, obviously there's a lot. of moving parts, right? >> Yes. >> The absorption or dismantling of a. police department is in a very unusual. thing, >> right? >> Yes. And so in order for that to happen, um, if I can just cut right to the chase. with you, was there corruption going on.

with it with within the department that. caused the absorption of the department. back to the sheriff's department? >> No. Okay. Then what was it that caused. it? >> It was. the mayor, Omar Bradley, at the time was. being investigated by the FBI. He found out that he was being. investigated by the FBI and he blamed. our chief. Right? So what he did is he.

put our chief and a captain off on. administrative leave and he made some. allegations of missing narcotics. Okay. Now our these guys were two 30-year. veterans with prestigious careers. Um, our department elected to do a vote. of no confidence against the mayor. and this really pissed the mayor off and.

he he went to the city council and they. voted to bring in the sheriffs and they. never asked the citizens if that's what. they wanted. He just did that upon. himself. Now, there was a. long investigation regarding the stolen. narcotics and our two captain and chief. were exonerated. There was a there's a. 60page report on it. and it was resulted in one Hispanic. narcotic officer was taken the narcotics.

and he was dealt with. So the bottom. line is we lost our police department. 112 year old police department. Omar. Bradley ends up getting arrested and. convicted. So everybody lost here. >> Yeah. And as a result of that um you I. think you told us earlier you didn't. stay in the city of Compton. You got. reassigned to another city. No, I stayed in the city of Compton uh.

for for a year and then I elected to go. to another agency. >> I see. >> Uh all right. And then. while you were there, the other thing. that you did and you shared with us a. bit about the fact that you were very. wellversed in the gang culture in. Compton, right? >> Correct. Uh and in terms of uh the the. well-verse meaning that you can identify. and see patterns of behavior that would. indicate to you maybe gang activity for.

instance, >> right? >> And that would also include how a person. dresses. We talked a little bit about. >> I um like for instance even like the way. a person dresses in blue, right? That. would help you determine maybe. potentially that that person's. associated with a type of game. >> Yes. like in this case. Uh, >> no. >> No. All right. But, uh, but with regards. to the way it's set up though, is that. uh, you know, did you at any point ever.

determine that Tupac Shakur was a member. of a gang? >> No. >> Why not? >> Because he wasn't. And and when you say that, I mean, obviously he's associated with the mob. or with the death row label. >> Correct. >> And he was also at that particular point. hanging around with Sug Knight. >> Correct. >> And Sug Knight was an identified M Pyro. or an associate of the M Pyru.

>> Correct. >> As well as other people who were Mob Pyu. like Mob James for instance that was in. that association. >> Yes. Um his entourage were all Mob Pyu. gang members. >> Okay. But you're telling us right now. that Tupac was not a gang member? >> No. Just because he was hanging around. these people did not make him a gang. member. Correct. Now, fair to say, of. course, that even in the Death Row. Record label, there were actually Crips. that were assigned that were part of. that label as well, right?

>> Yes. >> That would have been Snoop Dogg, >> correct? >> That would have been Dr. Dre. >> Not sure about Dr. Dre. >> How about uh who's the other one that. I'm thinking of? Is it Easy? He wasn't associated with that record. label. I can't I don't think he was. >> You tell me because I'm just uh I'm. trying to figure it out. But it fair to. say though that within business it. wasn't about a color as much as was. about money, right? You're making money. and so you're not isolating one segment. of the population from the other in.

terms of your product. >> Correct. >> Okay. Now, um, with regards to to Mob James at. that particular point, you had told us. that you believed he was an OG at that. time. Did Mob James have uh any indication for. violence? >> Um, not. I never investigated him for. any violence because he was in jail when. I was most of the time that I was in.

patrol and in the gang unit. And I don't. know exactly when he got out, but when. he got out, he didn't he was already. older. He didn't really hang out with. the younger gangsters. >> I see. And and with regard to this. retaliation thing, we talked about um. you said there was some concern that the. once the shots were fired and Tupac was. hit that there was concern that there. was going to be some type of gang war. back in Compton, right? >> Yes. Now.

you you shared with us a little bit of. how this worked. You were asleep in bed. and you get a call early morning from. Reggie Wright Senior. >> I don't recall if I had to sleep in bed, but I was at home. >> Okay. And you can you tell us what time. that you received the call from Reggie. Wright Senior? >> I was I don't recall. It was a long time. ago. >> Okay. But what would it have been still. that evening or that night? >> Yes. >> Not the next morning or anything like. that. And the reason why he would have called.

you is because he was your direct boss. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Now in addition to that you had also. mentioned that there this retaliation. the the shootings that occur after you. have is it Mr. Brim's first was the. first shot fired against between the M. Pyru and the Southside Crips. Was he the. first one shot? >> Darnell. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> And then after Darnell, who was the next.

person shot? >> I believe it was the next day at 7:13. North Bradfield. I believe two people. were shot. And that's in that's in Pyu. territory. >> You know, um if they were Pyu. >> They were. >> They were. And do you know who shot them? >> No. Right. Now, with regards to the uh Darnell. Brim, do you know who shot him?

>> No. >> Now, in terms of the two Pyu that were. shot the the morning after um Mr. Brim, do you know who the how the order was. given out for these people to be shot? >> No. >> So, no phone records, for instance, from. Mr. Davis indicating that he wanted. these people shot or anything like that. >> Correct. Now after the two Pyu were shot, uh what. happened next?

>> I believe later on um another person was. shot at Pine and Bradfield in mob ter. mob Pyu territory. >> And was that person a uh crimp or a. blood? >> The person that was shot was Pyu. affiliated? Yes. >> Okay. So So two Pyus are shot that day. and then later on that day another Pyu. affiliate was shot. >> Yes. >> All right. And do you know if that was. an order that was given out by anybody. to shoot that pyro? >> No. >> Okay. And then the next pyro after or. the next person shot after that was who?

>> Um I don't recall a name. I believe it. was a 80 something South Ward Street. >> was in territory. >> And so that person was a was a. >> Yes. >> All right. And that and that shot. occurred when or when did that shooting. occur? Um. I don't recall. >> All right. And um as far as you know, you know, this is happening over the. course of uh maybe there was 10 days. I.

think that that was how it was framed. It was like it's a 10-day war in. Compton. >> Yes. >> But fair to say it may have been a. little bit longer like maybe 13 days, right? >> No. >> Okay. So, if we go with 10 days in this, um, any any proof at all that we can. show this jury that Mr. Davis ordered. any of the shootings to occur in this. case? >> No. >> Now, in addition to that, your.

the idea here behind um. the. shootings, we go back to the Lake Booth MA. incident, right? Sure. Um, is the. Lakewood Maul incident in your mind the. sort of the definitive act in which the. war is now declared between the uh, you. know, Ma Pyu and the Southside Crips? >> Um, that was the first incident that.

sparked this whole back and forth thing. Yes. >> Now, let me ask you this. Did it really. happen? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, now in your book you identify. it as happening at the Lakewood Mall. >> Yes. >> And it happened in a foot locker. >> Yes. >> Now, do you have any indication at all. of a police report or a call for 911 to. the area on a fight that occurs in at. the Lakewood Mall that day?

>> No. >> No. Do you have indication at all from. the security people at the mall where. they would have written up a report that. said, "Hey, we had a altercation here at. the Lakewood Mall.". >> I don't think a report was generated by. the security officers. No. >> Okay. Now, fair to say, of course, um. there's been some description of that. brawl being the kind of brawl that. actually required Foot Locker to reo. their entire inside because it just.

destroyed the inside. you recall. anything like that? >> Um, I never heard anything like that. I. just know there was a fight at the the. uh foot locker. >> Right. You heard there was a fight, but. you never made any effort for instance. and it's not your job because it's. Lakewood, right? >> Correct. >> But in essence, no verification that. even Foot Locker was ver was contacted. to say, hey, did a fight break out over. here on this particular day? Nothing. like that. >> Don't recall. >> Okay. So in essence, what we have right. now is what you had heard from people on.

the street as to what happened at this. Lakewood Mall incident, right? >> Yes. >> Now, some people I would assume uh. thought that this that the shooting of. Tupac was in retali or maybe the fight. of Tupac in Orlando was in retaliation. to what happened at Lakewood Mall. But. as you're sitting here right now, you. don't have any actual proof of the. Lakewood Mall incident actually. occurred. >> No. >> Okay. >> Just. >> Yeah. Um now in addition to that.

we. had heard from you a little bit about. I'm sorry I just have to make sure I got. all my notes here. We we talked a little bit about um your. identifying of a shot caller right now. Um a shot caller is somebody who. basically tells people what to do. >> Yes. And you had said that the shot. caller is somebody that if an order is. given to one of the other lower people. on the totem fold, they have to follow.

that order. >> Correct. All right. And and in this. particular regard, you don't know for. instance what happened in Las Vegas, who. did anything in terms of the shot call. or anything like that. Right. >> I don't I don't understand the question. meaning you don't have any proof for us. today that says. that first of all even if PPD was in Las. Vegas right you don't have any proof. that. >> his home admission I mean.

>> besides the admission you don't have any. actual like physical evidence that. supports that right. >> correct. >> and then in terms of his admission did. you ever verify what he was telling. people to see if what he was saying was. true. >> as far as what. >> being in Las. Did I? >> Yeah. >> No. >> Okay. So, in terms of the information. that was given, you're just saying that. because Mr. Davis was a drug dealer and. maybe had provided money for the.

Southside Crips or something like that, that because of that, he is a leader in. the Southside Crips. >> Well, there's more to it than that. >> Sure. But I just want to make sure I'm. clear about something here in terms of. your investigation of this case. Um, did KPD ever order a hit on anybody. before or after the shooting of Tupac. Shakur? >> Not that I know. >> I have no further questions. Thank you.

>> All right. Redirect by Mr. Poff. >> Yes. Um, start where Mr. Sam left off. So, Mr. Sam asked you uh if you had any. proof that Mr. Davis was at Las Vegas at. the time of the two court murder. Um and. your response was, you know, his. admission. Is that fair to say? >> Now, you have um investigated hundreds.

of homicides. Is that right? >> Correct. >> Um have you ever relied on a defendant. or suspect's admission to form a case? >> Yes, sir. in the fact in gang cases in. particular where witnesses are scared to. come out is a defendant's admission of. committing a murder powerful evidence. used to prosecute. >> Yeah, that's that's how basically that's. how most of our gang crimes get solved. is by self admission or incrimination. >> Okay. And then uh Mr. Sam asked you.

about um you don't know that whether or. not Mr. Davis order the hit. And to be. fair, you weren't in the Cadillac, were. you? >> No. >> Okay. Um, but let let's go through Mr. Sarah's logic. Um, you had said that Mr. Davis was a shot caller within the. Southside Crips. Is that fair? >> Yes. >> And then, um, let me pose this to you. If Mr. using Mr. Davis's admissions, uh,

Mr. Brown. Terren Brown, DeAndre Smith, and Orlando Anderson. And Mr. Davis are. in a car. Who is the leader in that car? >> Mr. Davis. >> Who is the shot caller in that car? >> Mr. Davis. >> And so if a shot is coming, if those. four people are in a car and shots are. coming out of that, who has to give the. authorization? >> Mr. Davis. >> Okay. So if Mr. Davis is in the. Cadillac, he's the one calling that. shot. >> Absolutely. If he if he tells them not. to do it, say, "Let's handle this back.

in Compton," they wouldn't had a. shooting. If he sanctioned it, then. there'd be a shooting. >> And Mr. Orlando Anderson, he was what. you had called a gangster, right? >> Absolutely. >> So, he would be the person that would. have to listen to Mr. Davis. >> Yes. And so was it in your experience. knowing the roles of everybody in that. vehicle, could Mr. Anderson shoot that. gun.

with Mr. Davis in the car without Mr. Davis's permission? >> No. >> Now, let's talk about. um the um uh your book. When was your. book published? >> 2017. >> Okay. So that would be well after Mr. Davis's uh profer statement. Correct. >> Correct. >> Be well after his 2009 statement to the.

Las Vegas Metropolitan Police. Department. >> Correct. >> And it might be contemporaneous. We. don't know to the time of his statement. of the death. >> Correct. Um, regarding the um I want to talk a. little bit about the uh uh LA Sheriff's. Office absorbing the Compton Police. Department. Is is it fair to say that a. function of that transfer was that some. of the evidence that was retained from. those search wars just were, for lack of.

a better term, lost? >> Yes. I mean, I didn't know it at the. time. I mean, we just switched police. departments and they absorbed us and. they kind of were responsible for all. the evidence, too. So, I don't know what. happened to it after we got absorbed by. the sheriff's department. Mr. Sam mentioned uh uh Reggie Wright. Senior to you. Did Reggie Wright senior.

ever ask you to work on behalf of the. Mob Pirates? >> No. Did you ever work on behalf of the mob. pirates? >> Never. >> Okay. >> Um, talking about the uh Burus Street. faction, Mr. Sam mentioned that um Mr. Sam asked you some question about. satsiders. Darnell Bren was actually in. conflict with this uh Burough Street. crew. Is that fair? >> Yes. >> Um but uh Michael D.Roe Bro was a member.

of the Southside Compton Crips uh the. Bur Street crew. Is that fair? >> Yes. >> Um I think he went by a little owl. Is. that right? >> That is correct. >> Indulgence. Um, were you aware uh that m that the. court actually has taken judicial notice. of the fact that little owl was actually. in custody during the September 7th, 1996.

uh murder of Tupac Shakur? >> That is correct. >> Kind of hard for him to be the person. responsible for the murder. Okay. Um, now uh Orlando Anderson, he was also a. member of the Burus Street crew. Is that. fair to say? >> Yes. And we had talked about before Corey. Edwards was a member of the Southside uh. Southside Compton Crips Bur Street Crew.

Is that correct? >> Three cross Mr. S. >> Thank you.

I mean, we'll get. for you. >> Uh just a couple things, sir. In terms. of the publication of your book, can you. tell us um you said that was accurate, right? >> Yes. >> Tried to be.

>> I'm sorry. >> I tried to be. >> No, no. And and it's it's fine. I'm not. um we're not really going to knock it. I. I just want to know that at some point. in here, you do identify uh Mr. Davis. says QPD. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> Do you recall the spelling of his name. in the book? >> No. >> Do you recall how you spelled his name? >> No. >> Would review of your book uh help you in. terms of how you spelled his name in the. book? >> Sure. >> Okay.

Let it here. You may approach. >> You may. >> Okay. >> Okay. And just for the record, how did. you spell his name in the book? >> K E E F E. >> Right. And do you have any reason to. doubt the accuracy of your spelling of. his name?

>> I could I could be misspelled. I don't. know. >> Yeah. Uh I don't. >> Go ahead. >> No, go ahead. No, but in terms of uh for. instance uh I would imagine during the. time period that uh that's not a usual. name Kei. >> No. >> Um and you would have learned that that. name Kei was more of a nickname. >> Correct. >> It wasn't his birth name for instance. >> Correct. Uh and in terms of that name.

itself, um you would have uh had like. say for instance uh field interview. cards. If you ever ran across. individuals, you would put their names. down and maybe their their monikers or. their street names or their nicknames. for instance. >> Correct. >> Did you ever fill out a street uh field. interview card for Mr. Davis? >> I don't think I ever did. No. >> Yeah. Uh, and once again, these field. interview cards that you would have used. um are cards that would help law. enforcement identify people that.

potentially are gang affiliated. >> Yes, it does help. Yes. >> Yeah. And what usually would happen, I. would assume, is that when you uh happen. upon someone that you're speaking to and. you identify him to be maybe a member of. a gang, you would uh write out. information about him, including his. nickname and so forth on a card that. would help other law enforcement whether. or not they're affiliated with the gang. or not. >> Correct. >> So, in this particular regard though, you being the um detective for the gang.

unit in Compton, which according to your. book was actually very small. At some. point, it starts off with you and Tim as. being the like the main gang detectives. on the uh in Compton. >> Yes. And so you had uh a lot of people. to go through, but even then you don't. recall ever filling out a field. interview card identifying him as a gang. member. >> No, but he self admitted it to me. I. mean, we go out there if all that's all I see.

the same people every day because such a. small city. So every time I saw someone, if I stopped and filled out a field. card, that's all I'd be doing. So, I. talked to these guys and they self. admitted to me. They tell me their. nicknames. >> Yeah. So, >> that's what happened with Mr. Davis and. I. >> And fair to say again, once again, this. is a form of uh keeping records, right? Is that if you ever have a police. officer who's not with your same. knowledge and experience on those.

streets, they could look at those field. interview cards to help them determine. who Mr. Davis is. Right. >> That's correct. >> No other question. Any redirect? >> Yes, sir. >> We redirect. Actually, >> with regards to uh Mr. Davis, did he. ever hide the fact that he was a member. of the Southside Compton Crips? >> No. >> Was he actually quite open and proud of. the fact that he was a member of the. Southside Compton Crips? >> To that speculation and description. >> Okay, I'll actually rephrase. Did Mr.

>> Mr. Did Mr. Davis of Vince behavior that. made you believe that Mr. Davis was. proud of being the South member of. Southside Drips? Yes. >> And um did a to your knowledge did he. ever hide being a member of Southside? >> No. Whenever I would see Mr. Davis, he. he'd always be in the company of other. Southside Crips, too. >> And And did he ever selfidentify as a. member of Southside? >> Yes.

>> Is that it for you, Mr. P? >> Yes. >> Anything else, Mr. Sam? >> No. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, any questions for this witness? Okay, we. have a few.

All right, a couple questions. Got a lot. of questions. Okay. Um, why is Tupac not. seen as a mob pyro while in company of. other members, but Mr. Davis is? >> Well, there's nothing that documented.

Tupac as a Pyro. Now, he associated with. them, but he didn't live their. lifestyle. He was a rapper. Um, so, um, he he did show some allegiance to. the Mob Pyru. However, he wasn't active. He wasn't out in the streets gang. banging or whatever. He was this rap. mogul and I think he liked that. lifestyle. >> Okay. Um, from what you have observed,

uh, regarding Reggie Wright Jr., Would. he have been considered affiliated or in. connection with Mob Pyu or any or any. other gangs? >> No. Um Reggie was the head of security. for Death Row Records. That's and it's. uh. he was actively employed and the. difference is the entourage. Yeah, they. were paid by Suge Knight. Um but they. played a different role. Um, Reggie. could he could carry a firearm like the. rest of the people that he employ.

employed, but the entourage, not saying. they didn't carry firearms, but they. they couldn't do it legally. So, there's. a big difference there. >> Is it fair to assume there wouldn't be. there wouldn't need to be orders from. Mr. Davis for members of the Crips to. carry out retaliatory shootings. considering there was an active war. between Mob Pyro and the Southside. following the shooting of Tupac? In. other words, is the order implied even. if the shot caller does not explicitly. say shoot? >> Um, yes. If if the shot caller is not.

there, um, then gang members are going to do. what they do. If they're going to go out. hunting, they're going to go out and. shoot even though it might not be. sanctioned by a shot caller. But if he's. present, they have they're most likely. they're going to um do what Mr. Davis. tells them to do. But but if he's not. present, then it's they they're going to. do what they did. >> Did Orlando get permission to have that. shootout at the car wash, seeing that he.

was a gangster and not an OG? >> No. It's like I said, um Mr. Davis. wasn't there. These guys are gangsters. and when they confront somebody, I mean, it's on. It's going to be on it. He. doesn't need to be sanctioned by um Mr. Davis. Now, if he does something wrong. when when he gets back, he brings heat. on the neighborhood or whatever for. doing something stupid, then he'll be. disciplined for it. So, when they're out. in the street gang banging, it's it's a.

whole different story because Mr. Davis. is not present. >> Did the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police. Department ask Compton PD to help them. with the murder investigations at the. time that Compton searched homes on both. sides, or was that something you did you. took your own initiative? They we we. took the initiative to ask them to come. down and uh once they were down here, they never asked us for help. >> Okay. Any followup based on that, Mr. Pal?

>> Yes, your honor. Um with regards to the. distinction of whether Mr. Shakur or Mr. Wright were gang members, is it fair to. say that you don't become a gang member. by hanging around other gang members? >> That's correct. Like you had mentioned. earlier that you had to put in some work. in order to become a gang member. >> Yeah. You have to live that life in. order to be considered mob pirate. >> And with regards to putting in work,

what are some activities that one does? Not specific to mob or southside, but. just in the gang culture. What is uh. what type of work do you have to put in. in order to be considered actually uh a. gang member as opposed to a guy who. hangs around gang members? >> Um you're going to be you're going to be. out there being active doing driveby. shootings, getting in fight with other. gang members, um car jacking, anything. that's going to get you some respect. within the gang, they're going to be out.

there doing it. >> So you you had mentioned uh acts of. violence and primarily shooting. Is that. correct? >> In fact, that's how you mentioned how. Orlando Anderson got put on is by being. part of a group that John was on there. >> That's correct. >> And then you would also uh with being. part of the narcotics trade and I guess. that's too of a lawyer word to say. selling drugs. Is that one of the ways. that you get uh considered put on. putting in work uh to become a member of. a gang?

>> Yes. >> As long as that money is going towards. the gang. >> Yes. is money made from the sale of the. narcotics is the lifeline of every gang. in Compton. So the money that they get. from selling narcotics, it um they of. course they buy more drugs, they buy. more weapons, but most of these guys. don't work. So the money made from the. sale of narcotics, they buy cars, they. pay their rent, they everything that they do is.

generated from the sale of narcotics. The money made from that. And so while uh Mr. Shakur or Mr. Wright. Jr. may have been around. uh the M Pyro, there's is there anything. to suggest that they were putting in. work to become members of the M Pyro? >> Definitely not. >> And let's contrast that with Mr. Davis. Was it in your observation, training, and experience was Mr. Davis uh engaged. in the narcotic sale for the purpose of.

benefiting outside? >> Absolutely. pass the witness. >> Okay. Uh, any questions based on the. juror questions? Mr. Sam, >> no. >> Okay. Thank you so much for being here. You are excused.

Last witness for the day. >> Yes. >> Ladies and gentlemen, this is our last. witness for today. We are going to. recess for the evening. During this. recess, you are admonished not to talk. or converse amongst yourselves or with. anyone else on any subject connected to. the trial or read, watch, or listen to. any report or commentary on the trial of. any person connected with this case by. any medium of information, including. without limitation, newspaper, television, internet, and radio, or form. or express any opinion on any subject. connected with the trial until the case. is submitted to you. We'll see you guys. back here at 1:00 p.m. um for further. presentation of evidence. Please rise to.

the jury.

For the record, the jury has exited the. room. Anything we need to address. outside the presence? >> Well, one thing, >> Mr. Santa asked if we could admit the. entire 180 page return from the search. warrant. We had no objection to that and. so we will bring a clean copy for Mr. Sam. >> Okay. >> Um to put in tomorrow. Also, we still. need to correct the 2017. 717 transcript and audio. I'll have that.

brought forward tomorrow. >> What exhibit will the um return be? >> I have no idea. >> Will it be a defense or state? >> The defense. >> defense next in line. So that would be. >> WW. Okay, sounds good.