Tupac Shakur murder trial continues in Las Vegas

that was going on at the time in terms. of the streets and people walking around. when you heard the shots being fired. >> Oh, it was packed. It was extremely uh. there was people everywhere, people. walking. Traffic was uh fully backed up. We had to to get into the intersection. we had to use uh we're we were in. non-marked cars, so we were in plane. cars. Uh we moved into the intersection. using red lights and sirens. We moved. across. People were waving at us and.

pointing. Uh there was a vehicle there. that became of interest to us. Uh some. girls had uh been shot at. Um while we. had gotten out to talk to them and find. out what was going on, we had no idea. this was attached to anything. Uh uh one. of the guys on my team, Dino Kelly, found some uh cartridge cases in the. street. So, we started moving our. vehicles in the area to block off.

traffic so they wouldn't get run over. and putting up yellow tape. >> Now, um once again, were you in charge. of the investigation of either the. shooting or the eventual homicide? >> No. >> All right. So, at the time in 2000 or. 1996, you were uh anything other than your. gang unit uh detected, >> right? And at that time, we had found a. shooting scene. We don't know what we. have. Uh so we're just securing the. scene in case there are victims.

and then we would find out what was. going on. Um. >> at some point in the future though as. you progress in your career uh did you. ever at any point leave the gang unit? >> Yes. >> And what did you do after that? >> In 2000 I tested to I was invited to. test to go into homicide. I was I then. tested for homicide and went into. homicide. >> And what year was that? 2000. >> Now, during the time that you were in. homicide, that would have been from 2000. to roughly when?

>> I retired from the department in 2017. >> So, you spent 17 years in homicide? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Now, during the time period that. you were in homicide, were you ever. assigned the case involving the the. Tupac murder? >> Yes. >> Okay. And you had to stay a little bit. I just want to make sure. Um, you were. given the assignment at some point to. >> Yes, I was. 2004, uh, my sergeant, uh, Kevin Manning. handed me the file and said I would.

follow up any further leads. All right. And can you explain to us a little bit. about how that works? You're a. detective. The file had been with. somebody else prior, Detective Becker. >> Yeah. Detective Becker and Detective. Mike Franks. >> And now you have the file. >> So, what do you do as a detective when. you're handed a file that's already been. worked on? >> You read it. >> You read it. I went through the. pictures. I then uh discussed it with my. sergeant. I went down to California. Um. there was a lot in that file and I.

didn't I didn't know Compton very well. Uh I didn't know Compton at all. So I. went down. I had ridden in the gang uh. unit with uh gang detectives and I knew. them still. So I called and said, "Can. you take me around and show me these. things?". So, we drove around Compton. They showed. me uh houses where the Compton Crips. lived. They showed me uh where Orlando. Anderson died. They showed me a lot of.

different things. And uh Compton was. very small, but it was very impacted. with gangs. >> Now, during this time period, can you. describe for us a little bit about the. was there still an interest in the. murder of Tupac at the time that you. discovered the case? meaning was there media attention not. maybe not to the level it was in the. beginning but was there still issues. with regards to access to the file. >> yes there yes there was now I know where. you're going.

>> yeah and what I mean by that initially. is that even in metro was there any. concerns on your part about unauthorized. access to the body. >> not by me I wasn't concerned but my uh. lieutenant had become concerned and uh. wanted to sequester the file away from. everybody else because there was a lot. of people going in and looking. Um, very. very famous person. >> And with regards to the um the going in. and looking, can you describe to the.

jury what type of activity he talking. about here in terms of going in and. looking? I didn't uh do any investigation in. this, but my uh lieutenant told me that. people had been going in and and being. curious looking at the file. >> Did you did you at any point uh was. there any um uh measures that was taken. to preserve the safety and security of. that file? >> Yes. >> What what were those measures? >> They locked down the file itself, which. was just uh the hard copy of the file.

Um, we used to at that time we were on a on. a computer drive called the F drive. which turned out to be too small and. they later moved it to another drive. because. homicide just kept growing. Uh, so they. they changed the way I did my reports. I. would hand them in and uh they were.

secure. >> Okay. Now, um, we talked a little bit. about reports. Uh, what reports are we. talking about here? >> Uh, the one that popped into my mind, the. very first one, there was a supposedly, this was an anonymous tip, that there. was a Rolling 60 uh, apartment over on. Reno that was slinging drugs and that. uh, the people that shot Tupac had. driven up to this apartment and handed. the gun off for drugs. I then attempted.

to locate. Usually gangs are going to. rent an apartment. They're going to rent. it in a girl's name. So, I was looking. and I'm talking. eight years after the fact. I'm talking. about trying to find an apartment rented. by a girl that has association with the. rolling 60s. I never found it. I see. >> Um, so I couldn't track down the 60s. that may have the gun that would be. attached to the killing of Tupac. >> I see. And during the time that you were. performing your duties as the invest or.

detective on this particular file, did. you ever keep your own officer's. reports? >> Yes. >> And just explain for us a little bit. about your, you know, common course of. how you would do that. >> Uh an officer's report is like who, what, when, where, why. So you you say. that there was an anonymous tip. Let's. just talk about this tip. Um anonymous. tip at this date. I did these phone. calls, went and met with this apartment. complex and couldn't locate anybody that.

was attached to the rolling 60s in any. fashion. Um, so it literally would be an. officer's report that's maybe a. paragraph. Uh, there was another tip. that a gun the gun had been dropped from. the shooting vehicle that went back to. California that night and it was on the. side of the road. Um, ridiculous. But. eight years later, we went out and we. walked that section of the the freeway, both sides, looking for a gun. We didn't.

find one. That Ostra report was about a. sentence. Uh and it those kind of things. I uh those kind of things are the things. that we were trying to run down. >> All right. And so in terms of officer. reports, fair to say that uh there would. be a lot of officer reports of your. efforts in this particular. investigation. those officers ports don't exist anymore. that I could find. >> Okay. And why is [snorts] that? >> From what I was told was when we moved.

from the F drive to to the H drive, those reports had to be scanned and at. some process they were lost. So um what we're relying on clearly it. would be your recollection of what you. remember from that time period. >> Correct. Okay. Um, and once again, if. you don't remember, you don't remember. Okay. Okay. Now, at some point though, uh, you have an opportunity to to. interact with law enforcement officers.

in Compton or is it uh, No, I'm sorry. At that particular point, it would have. been the the sheriff's department, LA. Sheriff's. >> Yes. I usually went directly to LAPD, but yes, the sheriff's office also. >> LAPD. Um, can you tell us a little bit. about um any interaction you might have. had with them specifically about a. firearm? >> You're you're talking about the ' 06. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Uh, I received a phone call um.

from the Los Angeles Sheriff's. Department saying that there was a gun. recovered by Compton PD in 1998. the yard of 1301. Sloan, which is inside the Compton area, the Compton Crips area, I should say. And they believe that this gun was. possibly it was supposedly buried in the. backyard and it was turned over to the. Compton Police Department. the Compton. Police Department uh dissolved and so.

the sheriff's department was starting to. run all these guns through uh ATF and. ballistics and they believe this may be. the gun that we were looking for. They. were fairly adamant that this was the. gun that we were looking for that was. the murder weapon of Tupac. I then made a drive to. uh LA with my sergeant. Uh we picked up. the gun. They had it in a evidence box.

Uh I then they I signed a receipt to. them that they kept. I then drove the. gun back to Las Vegas, drove it directly. to our ballistics lab, and I turned the. gun over to Jim Krylo. Uh. they I then filled out a request to have. that ballistics tested against the gun. that was used to kill Tupac. Uh before I got before I managed to. drive back to the office, I received a.

phone call and they told me it was not. the gun. I told him that it uh he wanted. me to come back and then pound it and. put it into our evidence vault. I told. him I'd come back in the morning and I. would uh pick up the gun and I would. take it back to LA because it may be of. interest to LA in another crime. >> Okay. Uh, and outside of that particular. incident, were there any other instances. where you found what potentially could. be the gun in this situation and had it. tested?

>> Myself, no. But there were thousands of. guns that were tested. >> And as far as you know, as the U. responsible detective at that time, were. any of those thousands of guns come back. with a hit or match to the spent. cartridge cases that we found at the. scene? >> No. Now in addition to that um at some point. in the future you travel to. California again uh to conduct an. interview. >> Yes sir.

>> That would have been in 2009. >> Correct. >> Okay. Can you tell us a little bit about. uh who was there in that interview? >> Sure. Um myself and my lieutenant Lou. Roberts uh made a drive after I received. a phone call uh saying that there's. somebody that wanted to give information. about Tupac. and Tupac's murder. Uh we then drove. down on the morning of September 9th. Uh.

they wanted us to meet them at the Haida. office which is at 1340 West 6th Street. in LA which is about six blocks from. Plaza 1. uh we met them there. I would then uh. met Detective Darren Dri. and he told me that uh. Dwayne Davis uh also known as Kei. uh was in the interview room. He had his. attorney present uh whose name was Wayne.

Higgins and we were going to go in and. he was going to give me information and. uh he further explained that Kefi had. got caught with a large amount of. narcotics and was trying to work off. those charges. Now is there and just to. cut you off at that part I apologize but. with regards to that information at some. point you conduct an interview in that. room. Yes, sir. >> Uh with Mr. Davis.

>> With Mr. Davis with his attorney. Uh my. lieutenant didn't want to go in, so. Darren Dupri agreed to go with me. >> All right. And uh there was a recording. Did you record the the the meeting? >> I did. >> Okay. And is that just standard. operating procedure for what you do as a. detective? >> Yes. I was told that they were going to. record it also. Okay. >> But uh I wanted to record it myself. That way I have it in my hands. >> Okay. And um during the course of that. meeting, you learned information,

>> right? >> Yes, sir. >> Now, can you tell us a little bit about. the interaction here? Um were you ever. asked to leave the room? >> Yes, sir. >> Uh can you tell us why you were asked to. leave the room? >> Uh Mr. uh Davis became very nervous. I. was asking questions that he didn't uh. feel comfortable with, which is. to be expected. Um and he asked me to. leave the room. He wanted to talk to his. attorney and he wanted to talk to. Detective Dri. I then stepped out of the.

room for not very long and then they. asked me to come back in. >> Was there ever a time that you left the. room and was accompanied by Mr. Depri. and only had Mr. Higgins and Mr. Davis. in the room by themselves? >> I don't recall that. >> So every time you left, Mr. Depri was in. the room with Mr. Higgins and Mr. Davis. >> Yes, sir. >> [clears throat]. >> Now at some point you were able to learn.

some information. >> from Mr. Davis. >> Yes. >> Yes sir. >> Uh when you came back did you. corroborate any of the information? >> I tried. >> Okay. What what did you do? What what. efforts did you make? >> During the interview uh. Mr. Davis indicated first that Orlando. Anderson or Baby Lang had been beat up. at the MGM which we all had video of. I. think everybody on the planet has seen. this video. Uh he was the complaining.

that his arm was either broken or out of. socket. He first told me that uh they. had gone back to California and had gone. to the hospital in California. But he. said they went to the hospital on. Maryland Parkway and the hospital on. Maryland Parkway is Sunrise and that he. had gotten a sling for his own. So I. filled out a subpoena and I wanted to. know if Orlando had signed in, was. examined.

in any fashion. And now we're talking, this is 2009, we're talking about. somebody coming into the emergency room. in 1996. So, uh, I I didn't find anything. Uh, they couldn't apply. They couldn't give. me anything with Orlando's name on it. Uh I then uh we were looking into there. was a rented Cadillac rented in Compton. by a friend of the gang. Her name was or.

her daughter's name. There was a woman by the name of Harris. and uh first name. uh could have been Teresa, could have. been Tessa. And again, we're talking multiple years. later, but I called down trying to. locate a Cadillac that was rented in. 1996. They said it was a friend to the. gang, so it's very possible that there.

was no paperwork on it, but we're going. to try. Um, I called multiple rent a car. places cuz they he couldn't remember. which rent a car place it was. Uh, and. uh, I I' never found anything connected. to that date or those dates uh, around. that for a four-door white Cadillac of. any kind. >> Now, in addition to that, sir, did you.

ever run at some point any names to. determine. um, you know, sort of help you out with. the landscape of who's who and what's. what? For instance, did you ever run a. name by the name of Darnell Grin? >> Oh, you're talking about before the. interview? >> Yes. >> Uh when I received the call that uh we. were going to go down and do an. interview, I I ran everybody. everybody that was in the file. And the. purpose of that being is if I'm in the.

middle of an interview and he mentions. somebody, um, I might have information, this person's in jail, this person's. dead, this person's in prison. I those. could be very useful to me in the middle. of an interview. When I go into the. interview, I'm going to be acting very. uh. non-informed. I don't know anything. Please tell me. So he he's like, "Okay, we were going. after the. we're talking about PAC." Okay, who's.

PAC? Well, Tupac secure. Okay, so I'm. I'm going to do that through the entire. interview. But if I have more names and. more information, um I at least know. what he's talking about so I can direct. him in the right direction to give me a. full name or a full description, whatever it may be. So I ran quite a few. people before I went down there. >> Okay. So, at some point you leave um. that interview and you come back to Las. Vegas. >> Yes, sir. >> Were you ever aware that in 2008 Mr.

Davis gave a proper to the FBI, DEA, Compton PD, LAPD? >> While I was there, yes. No, I was told. that he had been uh. Dwayne Davis was arrested on a drug, a. major drug case, and he was facing the. rest of his life in prison. Um, and he. was trying to work that case off. So,

when I was sitting out there and I. learned that he's sitting there with his. attorney, I'm like, he's not going to. tell me anything. They're like, well, he's trying to work this off and it's. about Tupac. And I'm like, "All right, let's try this." So, we went in, but uh. we finished uh we met. we made a a. drive over to Plaza 1, then we left. I. received some phone calls at that point. and uh received more information when we. got back to Vegas that there could be.

possibly a proper. >> which made no sense to me. >> Now, um just one final question for you. and it's unrelated to anything that. we've asked so far. Sure. Um, the. question is this. Are you aware of a um. uh of a program here in town called. Barry's Boxing? >> I've heard of it. >> Okay. I have no further question. John, >> Mr. Jack, >> detective, how are you? >> Good. How are you, Mark? I can get this.

to Jack. >> Um, you went to homicide in 2000, correct? >> That's correct. and Mike Mike Franks and. Bren Pecker. Well, I guess Mike probably. retired before uh Bren left the unit. Correct. >> Well, he he trained me for a while. I. Mike was preparing to retire. So, the. desk that I was going to get was his um. and I was [clears throat] trying to soak. up as much as I could from him because. he was a very very senior detective. Uh. him and uh Brent Becker were very very.

good detectives. So, I was trying to. suck up as much as I could. That was the. squad I was going to. Anyway, >> and when Sergeant Manning hands you uh. the Tupac file, you already had an. understanding from Mike Franks and Brent. Becker of who you thought was in the. car? Yes, sir. And when Mr. Davis in. 2009 tells you that, it's the same. people. Yes, sir. Um.

I think uh Mr. samped maybe missed one of your trips to. Compton. um uh prior to I guess November of 2004. when he died. Um in early 2004, did you. try and make contact with Big Dre Smith? >> Yes. >> And describe that for us. >> I was with uh actually a gang squad and. they were This is during the time when. you can read it all. you can read all. this information, but it's better if you.

go down there and look at it. Uh. especially Well, so I went down to look. at it. They were they were taking me on. a tour most of Compton. They took me to. the uh car wash where Lando died, that. kind of thing. Um, while we were driving. by the Emerson. Elementary School, uh, which is right in. the center of the Compton Turf, uh, some of the guys in the I was driving in.

the back seat and taking notes. Uh they. said there goes Big Dre uh DeAndre. Smith, which is somebody that's. obviously in Bren Becker's files. And he. was uh walking through uh the field, the. grass field. So I was like, "Well, stop. Let me talk. to him. You know, try, you know, I have. no probable cause. I have no legal right. to make a stop. I'm not even in my. jurisdiction, but I can try." So I.

stepped out of the car and I said, "Uh, I named Mr. Smith. I'm Detective Long. from Las Vegas. And he said, "F you and. F off." I He doesn't He's not censoring. what he said. And he just lumbers across. the field. So I had no reason to stop. him. So I just waved. Now in 2009, you wind up in a room with Mr. Davis, and your belief is he's trying to work. off charges. What does that mean?

He's he's looking literally he's looking. at the rest of his life in prison for. what they had caught him with. So if he. gives substantial information about. cases and that's what they had brought. him in for was to give information about. cases. One of the cases was uh the. Wallace case uh. notorious B.I. during this part of it. he started telling them about uh Tupac. and this is in 2008.

8 I believe. >> so. >> that's what I was told. >> um but essentially and I want to talk. about specifically what is just working. off your charges does Metro have certain. rules let me ask you about. >> working off charges and how you work off. charges. >> yes um in a nonvictim crime you can work. off charges if you're you can't work off. a murder you can't work off a sexual. assa assault, you can't work those are. victim crimes. If you have a victim, you.

can't work off those charges. But if you. have something else that like a lot of. drugs, you could work off maybe the. amount of years you're going to do by. giving substantial case information on. other cases. So that's what I believe. that uh Mr. Davis and his attorney were. trying to do was to knock off certain. amount of time off of what he was going. to spend in prison. And you know uh or at least you believe.

you'd agree with me that Mr. Davis was a. suspect in your homicide, not a witness. >> Yes, sir. And by the end of that. interview, what is your intent? My intent was to drive back to Las. Vegas, type up a warrant for an arrest, clear it with the district attorney, and. have Mr. Dave was arrested for murder. Now, at that point,

did you and. members of my team have an opportunity. to actually listen to the recording? >> Yes, sir. >> And we heard the section where you're. not in the room. Correct. >> That's correct. >> And then so did we give you some. direction? >> Yes. Uh. so this is several weeks after I had. come back. They uh I met with.

this is several weeks after I had come. back from California with the recording. So we brought the recording and the. transcription over. The DA reviewed it. and they invited me over and they told. me that they were not going to go. forward with prosecution at that time. because they're. >> Let me ask a lot of complications. >> Let me ask it this way. Were you. directed to find out the circumstances. of why it was that a suspect in our.

homicide was in a room with his lawyer. and a task force officer having that. conversation? >> Yes, sir. And at this [snorts] point, you've been told there might be a profer. somewhere out there in 2008. >> Yes, sir. That's correct. >> And profers are between lawyers and. sovereigns, correct? >> That's correct. So, it's either had to. be the US Attorney's Office, the Los. Angeles District Attorney's Office, but. it certainly wasn't the state of Nevada.

or the Clark County District Attorney's. Office. >> That's correct. And did you make efforts. to find out from Wayne Higgins what the. nature of that uh. uh agreement was between him and some. other sovereign? >> Yes. Mr. Higgins as well as others. Yes. And you would agree with me that m Mr. Higgins wouldn't return our calls. >> That's correct. >> Uh did you attempt to contact US. attorney Cight? >> Yes. And you would agree with me Mr. US.

attorney C right at least at that time. uh would not return our calls. >> Correct. Would not speak to me. >> And by the time Well, let me ask you. this. Based upon that situation, did you get directed to reach out to. Darren Dupri to see if if we could get. leverage on uh the driver, Terrence. Brown? >> Yes, I did reach out to Detective Dupri. and and uh he.

Clarence Brown is a gangster. operating in Compton, California. So, he's going to be committing crimes. Um, I asked him if he gets arrested. for whatever reason to give me a call. and I want to come down and talk to him. Um, yeah. And and ultimately that never happens. You never get a phone call saying, "Hey,

we got uh Bubble Up in custody. Come. down here. Let's interview Bubble Up.". >> Correct. Bubbleup is the street name for. Mr. Brown. >> And so by the time you retire. in 2017, uh, we have no statement from Bubble Up. >> No. >> And we still don't know the. circumstances surrounding why the those. three people were in a room talking to. you. >> No. I believed I did at that time, but.

obviously I didn't. >> Thank you. Nothing further. reddraft. >> Sir, >> can you tell us who from the district. attorney's office you were speaking to. during that time period? >> Mostly it would be Pam Wackerley. >> Who was the other United States or the. district attorney as well? Besides Pam. Workley, >> the entire MVU. >> was Mr. Jard de Jako one of those. individuals. >> Yes, sir. >> Now, at the time, uh, who was the.

elected district attorney? Was it uh. >> Mr. Wolfs? >> Was it Steve Wilson? >> Yes. >> Now um not David Roger. >> Nope. I I don't believe he was there. anymore. >> All right. Now, your testimony here is. that um you had every intention when you. came back to charge the case. >> Yes, sir. >> And uh when you came back, you reached. out to the district attorney's office. and you uh said, "Hey, we think we. should charge this case.". >> Yes. Uh, and they immed did not.

immediately give you a response as to. what they were going to do. >> No, they told me to stand down and they. were going to review it. Um, I got I got. the information to them as quickly as I. could. Had to be typed up uh by one of. our secretaries, but I did make sure. they got the audio as quick as they. could. Uh, I I there was plenty of probable cause. to arrest for murder. >> Sure. Now, just for the jury. edification, probable cause is not the. reason. Fair.

>> Say that again. >> Probable cause is not the reason that. right. >> No, that's what we do here. >> That's correct. And in terms of the. information that you had learned at the. time that you met with Mr. Davis, did. you verify any of that information? >> Say it again. I'm sorry. >> Did you verify any of the information in. that recording in 2009 that Mr. Davis. said? >> I wasn't able to. >> Um, and once again, [snorts]. verification meaning cooperation, right? That's correct. >> In fact, I think on the recording you. had told Mr. Davis a couple times, look,

even though what you're telling me might. you might say is the truth, I still need. to corroborate this information. >> That's correct. >> And that would have been your standard. operating procedure with anyone telling. you anything. >> That's correct. >> So, for instance, as you're sitting here. right now, do you have any. >> I'm going to object to leading. It's his. witness. >> I'm sorry. I'm so used to. >> Hard. I know. >> Um, let me ask it this way. Um, >> you better rephrase. >> Yes, I'll rephrase. Um, did you make um. was there any information you ever. receive about whether or not Mr. Davis. was in Las Vegas in September of 1996?

>> Well, objection to leaving? >> He can say yes or no. Overall, >> did I? >> Yeah. >> No. Uh, and was there did you ever have. when you reviewed the file in this case, were there any um. people calling in saying that they did. it they did the murder? >> Sure. >> I mean, can you give us like a a number. or an amount?

I There was a lot. There was there was. quite a few. Um, I mean I I had information that Bill. Clinton had him killed. >> I mean there was a No, he did not follow. up on that. U I there was a lot of. calls, a lot of people claiming to have. been involved. I would No. >> Yeah. And uh fair to say. >> most of the time they couldn't get any. of the information correct. >> Right. Um and so when you're determining.

for instance a confession, what are you. looking for? Like if someone says, "I confess to. this," what information do you use to. determine whether it's correct or not? >> There like what kind of vehicle were you. in? How did the shooting occur? What. kind of firearm was it? Where did you go. from there? Uh what preceded it? How did. you all of it? I mean, anything that you. can that you can find as in facts, you. you want to connect to them. Um, I'm.

behind the eightball because I'm. what 15 years after the fact or 14 years. after the fact trying to cooperate. different things. Um, but I I mean I. made the attempts. >> And with regards to the information that. we're talking about here, was was any of. the information you're sharing with us. already available to the public? >> I don't know. I mean, I'm I'm sure there. was information that's out there. I.

mean, there was so much interest in the. case. I'm sure there was. >> Now, uh just finally, in terms of uh. your reaching out to people, um. Mr. Seight, who is he? >> The attorney general of California. >> and the district attorney's office. requested that you reach out to the. attorney general of California. >> They were going to do it. I was going to. do it. Whoever could do it would be. great. So, and then in terms of the. other people, uh, Mr. Depri or Detective.

Depri, uh, when was the first time you. ever met Mr. Depri or Detective Dri, I. apologize. >> I'm not positive. >> Was it in the meeting at 2009? >> No, I had No, I met him before that. >> Um, can you give us sort of an. estimation as to when that was? >> Couple years before. I think it had to. do with one of the the gun trip I think. is when I met him. >> And uh just for my eification with that.

gun, was it a Was it a real gun? >> Yeah, Glock 40. There's a lot of Glock. 40s out there. I had no idea there was. that many. >> Yeah. Thank you. I have no further. question. Thank you, sir. >> Briefly, well, Mr. Sam said, "Were you. able to corroborate information that Mr. Davis gave you?" You're talking about. information you didn't already know. Correct. >> Correct. Uh there was a substantial. amount of information in this file that. Mr. Davis, Mr. Brown, Mr. Anderson, and. Mr. Smith were in the car the night when.

the murder occurred. >> Yes. The way I took when he asked me. that is did I do cooperation? Brent. Becker and Mike Franks, the original. detectives, cooperated a lot of. different things. Um I didn't. specifically. go back in time and do what they did. you were relying upon the information. they already had. So when Mr. Davis is. telling you this story, it's not like. the crazies that are calling saying I. killed Tupac and or Tupac's still alive.

or all any of that stuff. >> That's correct. Nothing further. >> Uh any re redirect? >> Ladies and gentlemen, the jury, any. questions for Detective Long if you have. a few.

Oh, we have one more question.

When your lieutenant said too many. people were going in for the 2:00 murder. file, what did they need? >> Good question. Uh. officers were curious and they would go.

in and see what was in there because. there was a lot of stuff in social. media. So they were going in to look and. read. Uh so he decided that wasn't going. to happen anymore because information. could get out. So he locked it down. >> Were you the only one assigned to DevOps. case? I in 2004, Sergeant Manning handed me the case to. do any follow-up. There was a full squad.

I was on, six detectives and a sergeant. All of them were available uh to help. And we had some very experienced, very. uh talented detectives on the squad. So, I would I would lean on them. Uh, everybody's curious why would they hand. the case to a rookie? But I had I had. access to some very, very experienced, excellent detectives.

>> Um, were you able to interview everyone. who occupied the cream or white Cadillac. >> or is alleged to? >> No. Uh, I tried to talk to Big Gray, DeAndre Smith. He died uh that same. year. Um, Orlando died in 1998. in a shootout in a car wash and uh, Mr. Brown died in. I believe it was 2015.

>> Did you ever interview SH Knight about. the shooting during that during the. interview process? >> I tried. Uh, I had a partner that had. played football with him and knew him. very very well and I was complaining. that I could never even talk to Suge on. the phone. So my partner says, "Oh, I. can make a phone call. We can have it. right now." And he made a phone call, talked to Suge, and Suge hung up on it. So it was sle.

>> Do you know which arm was hurt, right or. left arm for Orlando Anderson? No, I do not. Sorry. >> Uh, were you able to verify and confirm. Mr. Davis was actually in the white. Cadillac black the night of Tupac of. Tupac's murder? >> Yes, that's that's the question. Sorry, the handwriting. >> Sorry, can you read it again? >> Yeah. Were you able to verify and. confirm Mr. Davis was actually in the. white Cadillac the night of Tupac's.

murder? >> By Mr. Davis telling me that he was in a. white Cadillac on the night of the. murder and that. the shooting came from that same white. Cadillac. >> Any follow up based on that, Mr. Sam? >> But no actual facts outside of what Mr. Davis told you? >> No. >> No further questions. >> Mr. Deck. >> All right, you are excused. Thanks, Detective W. >> Thank you. No fireworks this time.

Uh, Mr. Stamp, any additional witnesses? >> No, you aren't. >> Do you rest? >> We do. You are. >> State any rebuttal witnesses? >> No, you're. >> so not reopened your case. Okay. So, at. this time, the presentation of the. evidence in this case is closed. What we. have to do amongst ourselves is settle. the law that applies to this case. Um, and we are going to have everyone back. for on Monday at 9:00 a.m. for closing. arguments. Please uh during the recess. you're admonished not to talk or. converse amongst yourselves or with. anyone else on any subject connected to.

the trial or readw watch or listen to. any report of our commentary on the. trial of any person connected to this. case by any medium of information. including without limitation news. television internet and radio or form. express any opinion on any subject. connected with the trial till it is. submitted to you. Please rise for the. jury everyone.

All right, the jury is exited. Uh, you. can be seated. Scheduling wise, what we what remains to. be done is jury uh, instructions being.

settled. What time do we want to do those. tomorrow? I was leaving that up to. defense because there were some. obligations that they had. >> Uh, we're still asking for. >> 9:00. Does 9:00 work better for you? >> We'll do tomorrow at 9 then. >> Yes. >> Um, and I think we should be done by the. time that you need. And Mr. Davis, do. you want to be present to settle jury. instructions? It's up to you. You're It's kind of like legal.

arguments. If you want to be here, we'd. be happy to have you. If you don't want. to be here, you don't have to. >> You don't You want to wave your. appearance for that? Okay. So, I'll then. just see the attorneys back 9:00 a.m. tomorrow. Um, it's not presentation of. evidence. It's just settling the jury. instructions. Um, should be pretty. quick. And then the next big thing for. everyone watching at home is going to be. closings 9:00 a.m. on Monday. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay, sounds good. All right, we'll see. everyone back 9:00 a.m. tomorrow.

>> Thank you.