Jesse Watters: There is NO DEAL to be had on AI with China

YOU BEING WITH US HERE TODAY BUT. NOW TIME FOR "THE FIVE". ♪. >> HELLO EVERYONE, I'M EMILY. COMPAGNO ALONG WITH KENNEDY, JESSE WATTERS, SANDRA SMITH AND. GREG GUTFELD. IT'S 5:00 IN NEW YORK CITY AND. THIS IS "THE FIVE". ♪ THE AI ARMS RACE IS RUNNING. HOT. IN JUST ONE HOUR PRESIDENT TRUMP. WILL BE ROLLING OUT THE RED.

CARPET FOR CHINESE PRESIDENT XI. JINPING AND THE FIGHT OVER WHO. DOMINATES ARTIFICIAL. INTELLIGENCE IS EXPECTED TO BE. FRONT AND CENTER WHEN THE TWO. LEADERS SIT DOWN. NOW, THIS COMES AS AMERICA'S TAG. TEAM OF AI CEOs LIKE OPEN AI'S. SAM ALTHOUGH MAN AND ANTHROPIC. DARIEN BRIEFED THE UNITED. NATIONS TODAY AS THEY PUSH FOR A. SLOWDOWN BECAUSE THEY SAY THE. BOTS MAY KILL US ALL. >> IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER. PEOPLE PUT THEIR RISK OF. CATASTROPHE AT 10% OR 1% OR 12%.

OR .1%. NONE OF THESE LEVELS ARE. REMOTELY ACCEPTABLE AND WE. SHOULD NOT TRAIN MODS THAT WOULD. MAKE AN EXTREMELY STRONG CASE WE. WOULD BE ABLY TO KEEP UNDER. HUMAN CONTROL. >> THIS RAPID PACE OF PROGRESS. WILL PRODUCE INCREDIBLE BENEFIT. FOR THE WORLD. IF MANAGED POORLY I BELIEVE AI. COULD BE A RISK TO HUMANITY AS A. WHOLE. I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE MOST. IMPORTANT GLOBAL SECURITY ISSUE. FACING THE WORLD TODAY. >> AND GET A LOAD OF THIS IRONY, THE SENATE DEMOCRATS WHO WANT. AMERICA TO HIT THE BRAKES ON AI.

AND GIVE CHINA A CHANCE TO TAKE. THE LEAD WERE SLAMMING PRESIDENT. TRUMP FOR BEING WEAK ON THE RED. DRAGON. >> WELL, TODAY AS TRUMP WINES. AND DINES PRESIDENT XI AT THE. WHITE HOUSE, HE HAS A CHOICE TO. MAKE. ONCE AGAIN, BEND THE KNEE TO. THE, CREDIT CP, OR TO STAND UP. TO XI AND DEFEND OUR NATIONAL. SECURITY AND KEEP U.S. AHEAD OF. CHINA ON AI. TRUMP, STOP FAWNING OVER STRONG. MEN. STOP CALALLING XI A GREAT.

GENTLEMEN. WE MUST ACT NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO. LATE. >> WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT. CHINA ISN'T GETTING ACCESS TO. OUR ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY TO. CREATE EVER MORE DANGEROUS AI. SYSTEMS. >> SANDRA NOTHING PRO SCOMBREKTS. STRENGTH LIKE THOSE GUYS RIGHTH. THERE BUT NOT TO MENTION THE. CONFUSING PART ABOUT THEM. >> BERNIE SANDERS IS ON THE. TRAIN AS WELL, MICHAEL PULLS. BURY ON THE SHOW TODAY AND HE. WORKED AT THE DEPARTMENT OF. DEFENSE UNDER REAGAN AND HE SAID. THIS IS JUST TOO MUCH. WHERE WERE THEY THEN?

ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE HAWKS, THE DEMOCRATS? I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO. POINT OUT, AS WE SAW THE MAJOR. CEOs OF THESE MAJOR TECHNOLOGY. COMPANIES, MAJOR AMERICAN. ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. COMPANIES, THAT ALL OF THEM HAVE. SAID ON THE RECORD THEY BELIEVE. THAT CHINA IS A THREAT. OKAY? THEY ALL AGREE ON THAT. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF A. THREAT. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW CLOSE THEY. ARE TO SUPER INTELLIGENCE, THEY. JUST DON'T KNOW. AND ALL OF THEM DISAGREE ON HOW. TO HANDLE IT. BUT META CEO MARK ZUCKERBERG HIS. TAKE IS THAT RESTRICTING GIVES.

CHINA ADVANTAGE. HE HAS A VIEWPOINT OF THAT. OPEN AI CEO SAM ALTMAN YOU SAW. HIM TESTIFYING THERE, HE SAID WE. SHOULD COOPERATE WITH CHINA ON. SAFETY STANDARDS. HE AGREES WITH BERNIE SANDERS. AND SOME OF THE DEMOCRATS ON IT. I THINK IT'S PRETTY RICH TO HEAR. DEMOCRATS STANDING UP AND. CRITICIZING PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR. HIS HANDLING OF THIS WHEN. THEY'VE HAD THE PAST 30, 40. YEARS TO GO HARD ON CHINA AND. HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO. >> Jesse: I SEE THAT THERE'S. GOING TO BE NO DEAL AI WITH.

CHINA, NO DEAL TO BE HAD. CHUMP'S NOT GOING TO SLOW DOWN. CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGICAL. PROCESS BECAUSE DOOMERS AND TWO. TIE COONS WANT TO STIFLE THEIR. COMPETITION AND CREATE A. MONOPOLY SO THEY CAN PAT. THEMSELVES ON THE BACK FOR. SAVING THE WORLD. I SAVED THE WORLD EMILY, READ. THE BOOK. CHINA DOESN'T WANT TO SLOW DOWN. BECAUSE -- SHE THINKS I STOLE. THE LINE. CHINA DOESN'T WANT TO SLOW DOWN. BECAUSE -- I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU. WOULD THINK THAT I STOLE YOUR. GIMMICK. THAT'S MY GIMMICK WE'RE GOING TO.

TUCK ABOUT THIS LATER. BUT CHINA'S IN A RACE WITH US. THEY WANT TO WIN AND THEY'RE. STEALING OUR STUFF. WE JUST CAUGHT THEIR PROGRAM. WITH THE USA WATER MARK ON IT, OKAY? SO THEY WANT OUR CHIPS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM THE. GOOD ONES. WE WANT SOME OF THEIR MINERALS. BUT IF THEY DON'T SELL IT, WE'RE. JUST GOING TO GO GET IT. SOMEWHERE ELSE BUT THEY CAN'T. GET THE GOOD CHIPS ANYWHERE ELSE. BUT HERE. AND IF THEY MAKE A MOVE ON CHIP. ISLAND, AKA TAIWAN WE HAVE A. NICE ARMS PACKAGE WHICH WE'RE.

HOLDING HERE, 14 BILL. WE'RE USING IT AS A BARGAINING. CHIP FOR THE NEGOTIATION. BECAUSE WE WANT STUFF WE WANT. THEM TO BUY AGRICULTURAL. PRODUCTS AND BOEING JETS WE WANT. THEIR MINERALS AND WANT THEIR. INFLUENCE ON UKRAINE AND IRAN. NOW, THEY WANT TO EXTEND THIS. TRADE TRUCE. TRUMP DOESN'T WANT TO HE'S READY. TO GO BACK FOR ROUND TWO. BECAUSE WE HAVE A BIGGER MARKET, THEIR CONSUMERS DON'T BOYING IN. AND THERE ARE NOT EVEN ANY.

BABIES OVER THERE. SO WE HAVE THE UPPER HAND THERE. SO TO SAY TRUMP'S ROLLING OUT. THE RED CARPET, IT'S CALLED. RECIPROCITY. THEY TREATED TRUMP LIKE A KING. IN BEIJING SO HE'S GOT TO SHOW A. LITTLE RESPECT. AND THE GUY IS A DICTATOR. ALL THE DECISIONS GO THROUGH HIM. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A NICE. RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. NO ONE'S BEEN TOUGHER ON CHINA. THAN DONALD TRUMP. HE'S THE ONE WHO STARTED THE. TRADE WAR. HE'S THE ONE THAT CONFRONTED, CHINA VIRUS. HE'S THE ONE KNOCKING OUT ALL.

THEIR SATELLITES IN LATIN. AMERICA AND IRAN. WE GOT THIS. EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE FINE. I TRUST THE PRESIDENT. I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY SORT OF. SUBMISSIVENESS WHEN HE'S. ACTUALLY JUST EXHIBITING SOME. DIPLOMATIC SKILL. >> GO TO THE PERSON WHO SAVES. THE WORLD, ACTUALLY SAVES THE. WORLD, KENNEDY. >> Kennedy: EVERY DAY FIVE DAYS. A WEEK PODCAST KENNEDY SAVED THE. WORLD, THE PODCAST WAS THERE. LONG BEFORE JESSE'S BOOK.

>> Jesse: IS THAT TRUE? MAYBE IT WASN'T POPULAR ENOUGH. TO MAKE IT UP. >> Kennedy: IT IS FOR LITERATE. PEOPLE. SO JESSE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN --. >> Jesse: WAS YOUR PODCAST. BEFORE THE O'REILLY FACTOR? I DON'T THINK SO. >> Kennedy: MY PODCAST WAS THE. AUTHOR OF THE NO SPIN ZONE, ANOTHER LINE ALSO CRIBBED. >> Jesse: DID HE CRIB THE NO. SPIN ZONE? >> KIDDING. >> Will: MR. O'REILLY, IT WAS A. JOKE, PLEASE DON'T SEND THE. ROBOTS. YOU HAVE A LOT OF VERY.

INTERESTING THINGS GOING ON HERE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THE PEOPLE. WHO WERE AT THE FOREFRONT OF. TRYING TO KNEECAP ALL OF THEIR. COMPETITORS ARE THE ONES GOING. BEFORE THE U N SAYING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE SHOULD BE THE ONES IN. CHARGE OF AI POLICY FOR THE. ENTIRE WORLD. WELL, MAYBE YOU SHOULD BRING. THEIR DIRECT COMPETITORS WHO OF. BEEN VERY VOCAL, LIKE MARK. ZUCKERBERG, LIKE JENSEN WONG, AND HAVE THEM ALL GET IN THE. SAME ROOM ON THE SAME PANEL AND. HASH IT OUT AND, YOU KNOW, IF. THEY CAN COME TO A CONSENSUS.

ABOUT SECURITY, I'D RATHER SEE. THAT HAPPEN THAN A MASSIVE. CAPITULATION TO CHINA. SO WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS TO. DO, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT. AFRAID TO OFFER A LITTLE BIT OF. UNSOLICITED ADVICE. HE HAS TO GO TO XI AND PRETEND. LIKE HE'S TERRIFIED LIKE, OH, MY. GOSH, AI IS OUT OF CONTROL. DID YOU HEAR, THESE AI BOTS ARE. GETTING OUT OF THEIR SAND BOXES. AND THEY'RE JUST GETTING INTO. OTHER SYSTEMS AND THEY HAVE THE. POTENTIAL TO DESTROY THE WORLD. WE HAVE TO STOP ALL OF IN JUST.

YOU AND I CAN DO IT AND XI WILL. BE L LIKE YOU'RE TOTALLY RIGHT D. THAT'S WHEN CHINA SLAMS ON THE. BRAKES AND TRUMP SAYS TO MARK. ZUCKERBERG, JENSEN WONG, ELON. MUSK, ALL GAS NO BRAKES. AND YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT. MANY THINGS CAN BE HAPPENING AT. ONCE. SURE, THERE ARE SOME WEIRD AI. THREATS. THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT ALL. ALONG AND IF IT'S TOO SCARY FOR. THEM THEY SHOULD NOT BE BUILDING. THESE MODELS. BUT ALSO, LIKE, YES, CHINA WANTS. TO STEAL ALL OF OUR STUFF AND.

TRY AND MAKE THEMSELVES AS SEXY. AS POSSIBLE AND WE HAVE TO GET. TO THE PLASTIC SURGEON FIRST. >> JUST LIKE IN THE ORIGINAL TOP. GUN, HIT THE BRAKES AND THEY'LL. FLY RIGHT BY. GREG. >> Greg: YEAH, I TRUST THAT. CHINA WILL DO WHAT'S IN THEIR. BEST INTERESTS. I DO NOT TRUST THE DEMS WILL DO. WHAT'S BEST IN OUR BEST. INTEREST. WHEN I HEARD THEM SPEAK I COULD. NOT FIGURE OUT WHAT SIDE WERE. THEY TALKING ABOUT. WERE THEY SAYING SLOW DOWN O OR. SPEED UP? THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW BECAUSE. THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT. AI OR SI, AS I LIKE TO CALL IT.

THINK ABOUT OPEN AI AND. ANTHROPIC, IMAGINE ANY OTHER. COMPANY THAT PULLED THIS KIND OF. SHTICK THAHAT SAID I MADE THIS. PRODUCT AND I CAN NO LONGER. CONTROL IT. IT'S LIKE A CASINO ANNOUNCING. THAT THEIR SLOT MACHINES HAVE. DEVELOPED AN INDEPENDENT WILL OR. THAT THE COPIERS IN THE BUILDING. HAVE GONE ROGUE GOING AROUND. XEROXING EVERYBODY'S BUTTS. FOX NEWS HOSTS ARE CLIMBING OUT. OF THE TV TO STRANGLE YOU.

I WISH. BUT AI HAS A POWER CORD, IT HAS. POWER AND IT HAS A PAYROLL. THEY AREN'T ACTING ON THEIR OWN. BUT THE FEAR ANGLE IS THERE TO. PRETEND IT'S AN INDEPENDENT. FORCE SO NOBODY IS THE ADULT IN. THE ROOM AND THEY CANNOT BE. BLAMED. IF THEY WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO. BUY THAT IDEA SO THAT THEY. AREN'T LIABLE. THAT'S PART OF THE PIECE. AGAIN, WE KEEP GOING OVER THIS. BUT IF AI IS SO DANGEROUS WHY. AREN'T THE TWO CEOs EITHER.

RESIGNING OR HEROICALLY. UNILATERALLY SHUTTING IT DOWN? THEY'RE THE CEOs, THEY COULD. SHUT IT DOWN. THEIR PRODUCT, THEIR. RESPONSIBILITY. BUT THEY'RE NOT. SO THE SCARE IS TO ALLOW A PAUSE. THAT KEEPS THEM IN THE LEAD. WHILE PUNISHING THEIR UPSTARTS. THE UPSTARTS CAN'T AFFORD TO. STAY AFLOAT WITHOUT MAKING. MONEY. IT'S LIKE DEI. LIKE NIKE AND McDONALD'S CAN. HANDLE DEI, SMALLER COMPANIES. CAN'T. THAT'S WHY THEY ACCEPTED DEI. THEY DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THE. LITTLE GUY. BUT THEY WANT THE LIABILITY. COVERAGE FROM THE GOVERNMENT IN.

CASE OF A MASS CASUALTY EVENT. BUT THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE HOOK. BECAUSE THEY ARE ON THE HOOK. THEY WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO. LEGALIZE COORDINATION WITHOUT. LOSING THE AI RACE, CHINA'S. GOING TO BE GOING AHEAD ANYWAY. BUT THEY WANT RULES THAT PRICE. THE RIVALS OUT OF THE GAME WHILE. ACTING LIKE THE ADULT. YOU THINK CHINA'S GOING TO. FREEZE IN PLACE WITH THE REST OF. US? HELL NO. THEY'RE GOING TO FLOOD THE WORLD. WITH CHEAP FASTER MODELS. THE PAUSE IS A GIFT TO THEM. IT'S LIKE, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, A PIT STOP IN A RACE.

WHILE WE'RE CHANGING OUR TIRES, THEY'RE GOING TO BE RACING AT. TOP SPEED. IMAGINE IF THIS HAPPENED ON THE. RACE TO THE MOON IN THE 1960s. AND OUR AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO. PAUSE THE SPACE RACE SO. EVERYBODY CAN LIKE -- WE. WOULDN'T DO THAT. WE'RE AMERICA. THE UNITED STATES OF F'ING. AMERICA. WE'RE GOING TO RUN THIS, A A I. TABLE AND WE'RE GOING TO WIN. >> YEAH. ALL RIGHT, GUYS, COMING UP NEXT,

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