Iran is ‘not interested’ in negotiations, national security expert warns

. STEVE, MANY THANKS. FOR MORE LET'S BRING IN FORMER. NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL SENIOR. DIRECTOR UNDER PRESIDENT GEORGE. W. BUSH, MICHAEL ALLEN. MICHAEL, WELCOME. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING. ME. MIKE: SO FROM "THE WALL STREET. JOURNAL,"S TRUMP IS LOSING. PATIENCE OVER AN IRAN WAR WITH. NO CLEAR END IN SIGHT. TEXAS REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN. MICHAEL McCAUL SAYING, QUOTE, I BELIEVE HE THINKS HE GAVE. PEACE A CHANCE. HE'S GOING BACK TO PLAN A WHICH. IS THE MILITARY OPTION. WHERE DO THINGS STAND IN THIS.

CONFLICT, MICHAEL? >> WELL, IT MAKES SENSE THAT. THAT'S THE PRESIDENT VIEW. I CAN SEE THAT HE REALLY WANTS. TO MAKE PROGRESS ON NEGOTIATION, BUT THE IRANIANS ARE NOT. INTERESTED IN THAT. SO THAT'S WHY I I THINK HE'S. CONSIDERING THIS GO VERY BIG. MILITARY OPTION CAMPAIGN. HE CAN DO ONE OF TWO THINGS OR. ACHIEVE ONE OF TWO THINGS. ONE, IT COULD CONDITION THE HARD. CASES INSIDE OF IRAN, THE. ISLAMIC REVOLUTIONARY GUARD. CORPS WHO ARE MAKING ALL THE. SHOTS. IF HE HITS THE RIGHT ECONOMIC. TARGETS, THE ONES THEY CARE.

ABOUT. I AGREE, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT. THEIR PEOPLE, BUT THEY CARE. ABOUT THEIR OWN INCOME, AND. THAT'S OFTEN WRAPPED UP IN OIL. AND GAS, ENGINEERING AND. CONSTRUCTION. IF HE CAN MET THOSE, MAYBE HE. GETS THEM TO COME TO THE TABLE. IN A BETTER WAY. OR MAYBE THIS IS ALSO TO. FACILITATE THIS ARRANGEMENT. WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GUIDE SHIPS. THROUGH THE STRAIT. IF WE CAN FINISH OFF NOT JUST. THE COASTAL DEFENSES THAT THE. IRANIANS HAVE, BUT EVEN SOME. MILITARY OUTPOSTS INLAND, MAYBE. THAT HELPS THAT EFFORT. MIKE: PRESIDENT TRUMP ISSUING.

THIS WARNING, PLEASE LET THIS. STATEMENT SERVE TO REPRESENT. UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE THAT FROM. THIS POINT FORTH ANY AND ALL. DAMAGES DONE TO SHIPS, CARGO OR. ANYTHING RELATED THERETO WILL BE. PAID FOR BY IRANIAN MONEY THAT. THE UNITED STATES HAS IN ITS. POSSESSION AND CONTROLS. THESE DAMAGES MAY BE V VERY. SUBSTANTIAL, BUT NEVERTHELESS, THIS IS THE FAIR AND EQUITABLE. THING TO DO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO. THIS MATTER, PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP. WHAT'S YOUR ANALYSIS, MICHAEL?

>> WELL, I'M GLAD HE'S DOING. THAT. I THINK HE'S TRYING TO UP THE. ANTE ON THE IRANIANS TO LET THEM. KNOW THERE'S NO EASY WAY THROUGH. THIS. HE'S GOING TO UP THE PRESSURE AT. EVERY POSSIBLE MOMENT. AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S. TRYING TO DO HERE. OF HE'S SAYING THIS IS NOT A. COST-FREE EXERCISE FOR THE. IRANIANS TO TRY AND ANNIHILATE. SHIPS AS THEY GO THROUGH THE. STRAITS. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR. THIS, AND WE CAN MAKE THEM PAY. THROUGH FROZEN IRANIAN ASSETS. THAT HAVE BEEN FROZEN IN BANKS. FOR SOME TIME. MIKE: THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK. ABOUT A POTENTIAL CIVILIAN.

NUCLEAR DEAL FOR THE SAUDIS. I WANT TO PLAY A CLIP FROM. STEPHEN MILLER FROM THE WHITE. HOUSE, AND I'LL GET YOUR. ANALYSIS. >> GREAT. >> THE PRESIDENT'S MAKING CLEAR. HE'S DEVELOPED A CLOSE. RELATIONSHIP, A CLOSE. PARTNERSHIP WITH THE KINGDOM OF. SAUDI ARABIA TO ADVANCE OUR. SHARED SECURITY INTERESTS, BUT. HE'S VERY CLEAR IN ORDER TO TAKE. THE RELATIONSHIP TO THIS NEXT. DIMENSION WITH CIVILIAN NUCLEAR. ENERGY, THERE ARE CERTAIN. CONDITIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MET. MIKE: WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT. ACROSS THE MIDDLE EAST IF THE. SAUDIS WERE TO JOIN THE ABRAHAM.

ACCORDS? >> IT WOULD BE TERRIFIC IF WE. COULD TRY TO MAKE THEM JOIN IF. WE OFFERED THEM A CIVILIAN. NUCLEAR ARRANGEMENENT. CIVILIAN IS THE WAY TO TALK. ABOUT IT. THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO. REPROCESSING OR ENRICHMENT I. DIDN'T ON THEIR OWN SOIL EVEN --. EQUIPMENT ON THEIR OWN SOIL EVEN. IF IT'S WITHIN A BLACK BOX THAT. ONLY THE AMERICANS WOULD, WOULD. CONTROL. I THINK THAT'S THE BEST OUTCOME. FOR THE REGION. WE CAN ADVANCE OUR REGISTRATIONS.

IF IT'S -- RELATIONS. IF IT'S SIMILAR TO THE ONE WE. ALREADY DID WITH THE UNITED ARAB. UNITED ARAB EMIRATES. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE. TALKING ABOUT. I THINK THESE THINGS NEED TO. HAPPEN AND BE LINKED TO. NORMALIZATION BETWEEN ISRAEL AND. SAUDI ARABIA. THAT'S THE ABRAHAM ACCORDS, THAT'S THE BIG ENCHILADA THAT. PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTS TO. FURTHER. HE WANTS TO BE THE PEACEMAKER, AND THIS IS THE BIG ONE THAT'S. STILL OUT THERE. MIKE: "THE ATLANTIC" IS NOT. HAPPY CALLING IT THE ART OF THE. GIVEAWAY, GIVING SAUDI ARABIA. EXACTLY WHAT IT WANTS FOR WHAT?

DO YOU HAVE CONCERNS IF THERE'S. NOT THAT CONDITION IN THERE AB. JOINING THE ABRAHAM ACCORDS? >> I MEAN, I DO. I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU SHOULD BE. DOING THIS FOR NON-PROLIFERATION. REASONS, FIRST AND FOREMOST. WE DON'T NEED ENRICHMENT AND. REPROCESSING TECHNOLOGY GOING TO. ANYONE IN THAT REGION, EVEN IF. WE DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO. DEVELOP A NUCLEAR WEAPON BECAUSE. THAT COMPLICATES OUR EFFORTS. WITH THE IRANIANS TO SAY YOU. SHOULDN'T HAVE IT EITHER. BUT JUST IN SPEAKING FROM THE. RAW POLITICS OF ATE -- CAN OF IT. ALL, IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE AWAY.

SOMETHING HUGE LIKE THIS, WE. BETTER BE GETTING MANAGER FOR. IT. I ALSO, LIKE THE PRESIDENT, WANT. HIM TO BE ABLE TO GET THE. ABRAHAM ACCORDS -- PROBABLY NOT. GOING TO HAPPEN UNDER NETANYAHU. LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE. ISRAELI ELECTION TO SEE WHETHER. A POSSIBLE SUCCESSOR COULD SAY. TO THE SAUDIS WHAT THAT THEY. WANT TO HEAR WHICH IS THAT THERE. IS A PATHWAY TO A TWO-STATE. SOLUTION IN ISRAEL WITH THE. PALESTINIANS. THAT'S PRETTY UNPOPULAR. POST-OCTOBER 7TH, BUT THAT'S THE. PRICE THAT THE SAUDIS ARE ASKING. FOR, SO LET'S EXPLORE IT AND SEE.

HOW FAR WE GET. MIKE: 15 SECONDS, DO YOU EXPECT. THE BIG ATTACK ON IRAN SOON? >> I DO. I THINK HE'S FLOODING ASSETS. INTO THE REGION. I KIND OF SEE IT H HAPPENING. WITHIN THE NEXT.