Expert details what can be done to ensure AI machines don’t take over

NOTES. >> AFTER BUSY COUPLE OF DAYS IN. NEW YORK THIS WEEK PRESIDENT. TRUMP WILL RETURN TO WASHINGTON. FOR A HIGH-STAKES MEETING WITH. HIS CHINESE COUNTERPART STEVE. HARRIGAN IS IN BEIJING WITH MORE. ON WHAT WE CAN EXPECT FROM THE. SUMMIT. STEVE. >> JOHN A LOT OF POSSIBLE TOPICS. AS TO WHAT COULD TAKE CENTER. STAGE AT THE SUMMIT THIS WEEK. THEY COULD BE IRAN AND OF COURSE. CHINA HAS TREMENDOUS LEVERAGE IN.

IRAN. THEY BUY MORE OIL FROM IRAN THAN. ANY OTHER COUNTRY. CAN THEY USE THAT LEVERAGE FOR. DIPLOMACY TO TRY TO SLOW DOWN. OUR END THAT SEVEN MONTH-LONG. CONFLICT TO? COULD THERE BE MAJOR BUSINESS. DEALS? PRESIDENT XI IS BRINGING A. NUMBER OF CEOs WITH THEM TO. THE US AND THAT'S UNUSUAL FOR. CHINA COULD RECRUIT A LOT OF. TALK ABOUT THE CHINESE EV'S. THOSE ELECTRIC VEHICLE SELLING. FOR INFRACTION OF OTHER VEHICLES. BUT THAT SOMETHING CHINA WANTS. TO EXPORT TO THE U.S..

IT'S SOMETHING PRESIDENT TRUMP. IS TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY. ALLOWING CHINESE MANUFACTURING. INSIDE THE U.S. TO BUILD THOSE. EV'S AND THAT COULD BE A. POSSIBLE TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION AS. WELL PICK ONE THING THAT'S CLEAR. THE STYLES OF THE TWO SIDES WILL. BE DIFFERENT. THE CHINESE LIKELY TO TRY TO. CHOREOGRAPH EVERYTHING DOWN TO. LAST PHOTO OP. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION A LOT. MORE FREEWHEELING. THE HIGHLIGHT IS LIKELY TO BE A. STATE DINNER. THE DINNER OF U.S. LEADERS OF AI. WILL BE INVITED. HERE'S PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> WE WILL HAVE A VERY GOOD.

MEETING. WE WILL HAVE A MEETING. WE ARE DOING WELL WITH CHINA. I WOULD SAY OTHERS MAYBE NOT SO. WELL THAT WE ARE DOING VERY WELL. AS CHINA. PRESIDENT XI AND I HAVE A GOOD. RELATIONSHIP. >> YOU GET THE SENSE HERE IN. BEIJING WHEN YOU TALK TO PEOPLE. ABOUT AI, THERE'S SOME. EXCITEMENT ABOUT IT. THEY COULD MAKE LIFE BETTER. IT COULD MAKE LIFE A LOT EASIER. IN SOME CONCERNS TO THAT COULD. COST PEOPLE THEIR JOBS NOT THE. GLOOM AND DOOM IN THE WEST ABOUT.

PERHAPS WIPING OUT THE HUMAN. RACE THE MORE PRACTICAL CONCERNS. HERE. COULD IT COST PEOPLE THEIR. WORKING LIFE? JOHN, BACK TO. >> TO SEE THE VIDEO FOR THOSE. ROBOTS ARE DOING IN CHINA THESE. DAYS. STEVE HARRIGAN, STEVE THANKS. >> REGULATIONS SHOULD BE SECTOR. SPECIFIC IN THE CHALLENGE WE ARE. SEEING IN THE CONVERSATION. DISCOURSE TODAY IS PEOPLE AREN'T. THINKING ABOUT IT PRACTICALLY. THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT BROADLY. IN A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL SWEEPING.

STATEMENTS AROUND AI THAT'S NOT. HOW WE DO IT. SAME SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY. POLICY DIRECTOR CALLING FOR. EVERYONE TO CALM DOWN AFTER. REPORTS OF AI MODELS GOING. ROGUE. SOME AI RESEARCHERS RESEARCHERS. EVEN WANTED THE FAST GROWING. TECHNOLOGY COULD WIPE OUT. MANKIND TO THE END OF THE. DECADE. RESIDENTS AND SAID HE WILL FORM. A NEW AI FORCE TO KEEP AN EYE ON. THINGS. IT'S BRINGING BRAD CARSON. PRESIDENT OF AMERICANS FOR. RESPONSIBLE INNOVATION. HE'S ALSO THE FORMER ACTING.

UNDERSECRETARY OF DEFENSE FOR. PERSONNEL AND READINESS. SO BRAD FIRST OF ALL THIS WIPING. OUT OF HUMANITY CONCERNED, IS. THERE ANY TRUTH THERE? >> I THINK THERE IS SOME TRUTH. THERE. IT SOUNDS FANTASTIC. IT'S SOMETHING OUT OF A SCIENCE. FICTION MOVIE BUT MATZ KILLED. THE EVENTS TAKING ON THE SYSTEM. WE DEPEND AMONG TO LIVE IN. SOCIETETY AND EXPERTS SAY IT'S A. PLAUSIBLE OUTCOME AND MOVING. EVERY PERSONAL BUT COULD IT DO.

MASSIVE HARM TO OUR CIVILIZATION. IT CERTAINLY SEEMS TO BE IN THE. OFFING. >> HOW DO WE GET OUR HANDS. AROUND THIS? WHAT DO WE DO TO MAKE SURE THE. MACHINES DON'T TAKE OVER? >> WASHINGTON D.C. OR HAS TO GET. SERIOUS ABOUT THIS. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE. COMPANIES DON'T RELEASE MODELS. TO THE PUBLIC THAT ARE. DANGEROUS. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE MODELS. THEY ARE USING INTERNALLY AREN'T. RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC AND ARE. DANGEROUS. WE NEED TO HAVE MORE.

TRANSPARENCY IN OPERATIONS TO. MAKE SURE THEY REPORT OUT WHAT. THEY ENCOUNTER BUT THAT'S A. START FOR REGULATION IN. WASHINGTON D.C.. >> I WANT TO PLAY SOMETHING FROM. CONGRESSMAN RO KHANNA OF. CALIFORNIA. HERE IS HOW HE SEES SOME OF THE. GUARDRAILS HE'D LIKE TO SEE. ESTABLISHED. >> THE FIRST TO ASK IS IF TRUMP. AND XI JINPING TO COME UP WITH. AN INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENT IN. TWO OF THE CORE PRINCIPLE SHOULD. BE ONE, BANNING ANY SELF.

IMPROVING AI. THAT'S AI THAT CONTINUES TO. IMPROVE ITSELF WHERE WE COULD. LOSE CONTROL. THE SECOND IS TO HAVE SAFEGUARDS. SO THAT AI CAN'T BE MISUSED BY. PEOPLE FOR BIOLOGICAL NUCLEAR. WEAPONS. >> I IMAGINE THE UNITED STATES. MIGHT BE WILLING TO INSTALL. THOSE KINDS OF SAFEGUARDS BUT MY. CONCERN IS ABOUT WHETHER THE. CHINESE WOULD AGREE TO SOME OF.

THESE ISSUES AND IF THEY AGREE. TO THEM WHETHER THEY WOULD. ACTUALLY CONTINUE TO ABIDE BY. THEM. WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> WE SHOULD DEFINITELY HAVE. THOSE TALKS WITH CHINA. I TOO AM SKEPTICAL BUT THOSE. TALKS SHOULD START AT THE. PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL AND THROUGH. CABINET OFFICERS AND S SOAP. CABINET OFFICERS. WE SHOULD ENGAGE IN THE. DISCUSSION. WE SHOULD REALIZE THEY ARE. COMPETITOR BUT THEY ARE SHARED. AREAS OF INTEREST MAKING SURE. THAT AI DOESN'T GET OUT OF.

CONTROL AND DOESN'T DESTROY. THINGS THAT ARE VALUABLE TO US. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE VERIFIABLE. WE SHOULD HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE AMERICA. DOES WIN THIS RACE. HE WON IT NOT BY HAVING UNSAFE. TO AI IN THE WEST. YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE NO CHIPS. ARE SOLD TO CHINA. THEY CAN'T MAKE THEIR AI WITHOUT. CHIPS. WE SHOULDN'T BE SMUGGLING IN. CHIPS AGAINST AMERICAN LAW. WE SHOULDN'T BE SELLING THE. EQUIPMENT OR DATA TO MAKE IT. THERE'S A WAY TO KEEP CHINA IN. THE BOX TO WHEN UNSAFE FOR.

AMERICANS. >> THE CEO IS GOING TO BE AS I. UNDERSTAND THAT ONE OF THOSE WHO. WILL BE MEETING WITH PRESIDENT. XI JINPING AND PRESIDENT TRUMP. AT THIS BIG WHITE HOUSE DINNER. THE VIDEO WOULD LIKE TO SELL. CHIPS TO CHINA IS MY. UNDERSTANDING YOU WERE SAYING. MAINTAIN THE BLOCKADE IS. CRITICAL. >> ABSOLUTELY YOU ARE RIGHT. NVIDIA WOULD LOVE TO SELL CHIPS. AND THAT'S A GREAT FEAR FOR. PEOPLE LIKE ME AND OTHERS.

BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS. ON CAPITOL HILL FEAR THEY WILL. RELAX THE BORDER IN EXPORT. CONTROLS ON THE CHIPS. WE KNOW IN THAT VIDEO TURNS --. THE VIDEO TURNS A BLIND EYE TO. SMUGGLING CHIPS INTO CHINA. ALL THE AI MODELS ARE BUILT ON. NVIDIA CHIPS. THEY GOT THEM BECAUSE THEY. SMUGGLE THEM IN AND THEY STOLE. THEM. THE VIDEO IS NOT DOING ENOUGH. AND WE UNITED STATES SHOULD. ENFORCE OUR LAWS AGAINST THIS. THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT POLICY. WHEN IT COMES TO CHINA AND AI.

>> ONE OF THE CONCERNS I OFTEN. HEAR IS THAT OUR INTERNATIONAL. ADVERSARIES LIKE RUSSIA, CHINA. AND NORTH KOREA AND MAYBE IRAN. ARE STOKING THE SPHERE OF DATA. CENTERS IN THE UNITED STATES. BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE DATA. CENTERS IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF AI. AND THEY DON'T WANT US TO WIN. THE AI RACE. DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON. THAT? >> I THINK THE OPPOSITION IS. ORGANIC AND COMES FROM PEOPLE IN. THE UNITED STATES.

PEOPLE IN TWITTER FROM CHINA AND. NORTH KOREA FANNED THE FLAMES. SMALL AMOUNTS OF THOSE PEOPLE. MAY BE. AND THAT IN OKLAHOMA WHERE TRUMP. VOTERS ARE STRONG REPUBLICANS. AND THEY FIERCELY OPPOSED DATA. CENTER DEVELOPMENT. THEY ARE TAKING ORDERS FROM. PEOPLE ON TWITTER AND THEY DON'T. EVEN SUBSCRIBE TO TWITTER. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE BY. NORTH KOREANS. THEY HAVE IS THE VISCERAL FEAR. OF WHAT AI WILL DO TO THEM AND. THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE. ENVIRONMENT ALL AND WATER. EFFECTS IN THESE KINDS OF THINGS. IN THE EFFECT ON LAND USE.

I THINK IT'S THEM MISREADING. WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE COUNTRY. THE OPPOSITION TO DATA CENTERS. NOT DRDRIVEN BY PEOPLE ON THE. GROUND TO LIVE IN THOSE. COMMUNITIES. >> ALL RIGHT, WE WILL CONTIN.