‘CRUCIAL FOR OUR SECURITY’: Polish PM WARNS Russia is escalating war in Ukraine

Y. GOING TO CONTINUE. JON: THE MISERY REMAINS THAT IS. FOR SURE. STEPHANIE BENNETT, STEPHANIE. THANKS. >> DID POLLUTANT AGREED OR. COMMITTED TO NOT ATTACKING ANY. TERRITORY? WHAT'S I'VE HAD GOOD TALKS OF. THEM IS NOT GOING TO BE. ATTACKING AND NATO TERRITORY. >> A WARNING TO RUSSIA NOT TO. ATTACK NATO TERRITORY QUESTION I. DO NOT WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ATTACK. JON: PRESIDENT TRUMP OFFERING. REASSURANCE STUDENT NATO ALLIES. AFTER CIA DIRECTOR JOHN.

RATCLIFFE FLIPPED SECRETLY WITH. THE RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE. OFFICIALS LAST WEEK IN MOSCOW. AXIOS' REPORTS DIRECTLY PROPOSED. EIGHT MEETING BETWEEN TRUMP, POLLUTANT AND UKRAINE'S. PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY IN A PUSH TO. FINALLY END THE FOUR-YEAR WAR. LET'S BRING IN FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO NATO, KURT VOLKER. THERE ARE SOME OF YOUR RUSSIA. MIGHT WANT A LIMITED NUCLEAR. STRIKE MAY BE ON UKRAINE OR. MAYBE ON A NATO COUNTRY.

YOU KNOW OF THE REGION EXTREMELY. WELL. WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, JON. I DO NOT THINK VLADIMIR PUTIN IS. INTENDING TO ATTACK NATO. COUNTRIES RIGHT NOW HE IS BOGGED. DOWN IN UKRAINE PRODUCE VERY. DIFFICULT FOR HIM I STILL THINK. HE CAN AFFORD EXPANDING THE WORK. ANY NATO RESPONSE SHOULD BE TOO. MUCH FOR RUSSIA TO HANDLE SO I. THINK THAT PART OF THE. DISCUSSION. LIMITED NUCLEAR STRIKE IS. POSSIBLE BUT I THINK AGAIN THE.

COST FOR RUSSIA OF DOING THAT IN. TERMS OF THE LOSS AND SUPPORT. FROM CHINA, LISE LAWTON SUPPORT. FROM THE GLOBAL SOUTH NO REAL. BATTLEFIELD GAIN FROM DOING SO. AND PERHAPS MOBILIZING THE. UNITED STATES AND EUROPEAN. ALLIES EVEN MORE I DON'T THINK. IT'S WORTH IT TO RUSSIA TO DO. THAT EITHER.R. THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE HAVE TO. PAY ATTENTION TO WE SHOULD NOT. JUST DISMISS THEM BUT AT THE. SAME FROM THE VERY UNLIKELY. JON: RETIRED KEITH CATALOG SAYS.

ONE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF THE. USE OF AT LEAST A SMALL NUCLEAR. WEAPON IS STILL OUT THERE. LISTEN TO GENERAL KELLOGG. >> THINK THE BIG WORRY, THERE'S. ALWAYS A THREAT IN UKRAINE IS HE. GOING TO DO A LIMITED NUCLEAR. STRIKE? WHAT WE CALL A DEMONSTRATION YOU. TAKE SOMETHING SMALL NUCLEAR. WEAPON PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF. NOWHERE TO SEE IF YOU WILL CROSS. THE THRESHOLD. JON: CROSS THAT THRESHOLD YOU DO. NOT THINK VLADIMIR PUTIN WOULD. TAKE THAT VERY RISKY MOVE?

>> I DON'T WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. TO KEITH, I DON'T THINK THAT. GAINS A VLADIMIR PUTIN ANYTHING. AND I THINK THE COST TO HIM OF. DOING SO ARE SIGNIFICANT. I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME. RELUCTANCE ON THE PART OF THE. UNITED STATES AND NATO ALLIES TO. DO EVERYTHING WE COULD TO. SUPPORT UKRAINE A PUSHBACK ON. RUSSIA. I THINK CHINA IS STILL TRYING TO. PLAY BOTH SIDES. I I THINK ALL OF THAT WOULD CHAE. IF THEY USE A NUCLEAR WEAPON. EVERYONE WOULD SEE THAT IS.

UNACCEPTABLE SO I DON'T THINK. THE BENEFITS ARE PUT IN A REALLY. THERE. JON: THE PRESIDENT OF POLAND. DONALD TUSK IS SAYING THE NEXT. SIX MONTHS OF THIS WAR ARE GOING. TO BE DECISIVE. HE WRITES AS I HAVE BEEN WARNING. THE ESCALATION FROM RUSSIA'S. SIDE IS PROGRESSING. UKRAINE NEEDS A GREATER AIR. SUPPORT WHICH IS ALSO CRUCIAL. FOR OUR SECURITY, POLE AND BEING. RIGHT NEXT TO UKRAINE FOR THIS. IS A TEST FOR ALL OF EUROPE THE.

NEXT SIX MONTHS WILL BE DECISIVE. WE MUST BE PREPARED AS POLAND. AND NATO FOR VARIOUS SCENARIOS. WE CANNOT RULE OUT PROVOCATIONS. FROM RUSSIA AGAINST ONE OF. NATO'S MEMBERS. THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY NERVOUS. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SUGGESTED. THEY COULD DO MORE TO TAKE ON. THE RUSSIAN BEAR. WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> OF FIRST OFF THE PRIME. PRIMEMINISTER AND POLAND'S ABSOE. RIGHT. THEY JUST HAD A RUSSIAN MISSILE.

LAND IN POLAND A COUPLE OF WEEKS. AGO. HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT WHETHER IT. IS INTENTIONAL OR ACCIDENTAL THE. RISKS OF THIS WAR FOR NATO. SPILLING INTO NATO TERRITORY ARE. VERY SIGNIFICANT. SO WHAT IS EMBEDDED IN HIS. MESSAGE THERE IS A SUGGESTION. THAT NATO AND UKRAINE NEED TO. WORK TOGETHER FOR THE PROTECTION. OF NATO. LEAVING UKRAINIAN SECURITY ASIDE. THERE IN A WAR WIDOW ENDANGERS. FLYING OBJECTS COMING NEAR NATO. TERRITORY THAT'S PART OF WHAT HE.

IS SAYING. NOW I THINK POLLUTANT AGAIN IS. GOING TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO. LAUNCH A D DIRECT CONFRONTATION. WITH IT NATO WHEN HE IS BOGGED. DOWN IN UKRAINE. AND AS THE PRIME MINISTER SAYS. THE NEXT SIX MONTHS WILL BE. CRUCIAL THAT COULD BE CRUCIAL IN. EITHER DIRECTION. PUTIN IS GOING TO TRY TO REALLY. BREAK UKRAINE THIS WINTER IN. TERMS OF EATING, ELECTRICITY, AND AT THE SAME TIME IF HE GOES. THROUGH THIS WINTER, BURNS HIS.

RESOURCES, ENDS UP FACING A. UKRAINE THAT SURVIVES IN A NATO. THAT REMAINS STRONG, PUTIN IS A. FAR WEAKER POSITION. THAT MAY FINALLY CAUSE HIM TO. SAY WE NEED TO HAVE A CEASE-FIRE. HERE. SO I AGREE THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. IN THE WINTER IS CRUCIAL. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE. CRUCIAL. WORK FOR US. JON: IS ALREADY LOST HALF A. MILLION SOLDIERS THAT UKRAINE. HAS DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB. DEVELOPING LONG-TERM DRONES. THERE HITTING OIL AND GAS TO. DAPO'S WAY INSIDE OF RUSSIA.

OF VLADIMIR PUTIN HIS ECONOMY HE. SEEMS TO BE IN REAL TROUBLE. >> I AGREE WITH THAT. THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE FOR THAT. KREMLIN IS FINANCES. ARE THEY GETTING A REVENUE FROM. OIL AND GAS SALES THAT THEY. COULD USED TO KEEP PUTTING INTO. THE MILITARY EFFORT? THE REALITY IS ARE NOT GETTING. ENOUGH FOR THE DIPPING INTO THE. GOLD RESERVES THEY HAVE BURNT. THROUGH THEIR SOVEREIGN WEALTH. FUNDS. THEY'RE REALLY SCRAPING THE. BOTTOM OF THE BARREL IN TERMS OF.

FINANCES FOR THE WAR EFFORT. THE UKRAINIANS HAVE USED. LONG-RANGE STRIKE STEWED. KNOCKOUT OIL REFINING CAPABILITY. WHICH IS CAUSING FUEL SHORTAGES. AND GASOLINE SHORTAGES ACROSS. RUSSIA. THEY ARE CREATING EXPLOSIONS OF. THESE FACTORIES AND OIL. REFINERIES THAT EVERYBODY SEES. AVERAGE RUSSIANS NOW KNOW THIS. IS NOT AN ANTISEPTIC OPERATION. AFFECTS THEM. JON: IS NOT JUST A SPECIAL. MILITARY OPERATION ANYMORE. FORMER AMBASSA.