BREAKING: Reports of second suspected PLAGUE DEATH

♪. >> Brian: SO SAYS THE WORLD. PLAYING IN RUSSIA, A PLAYING. INSTITUTE HAS DIED AND NOW. REPORTS OF A SECOND POSSIBLE. DEATH RELATED TO THE DISEASE. THE WHO DIRECTOR GIVING THIS. UPDATE YESTERDAY. >> WE DON'T YET HAVE THE FULL. PICTURE OF THIS EVENT, AND WE. ARE NOT ABLE TO CONDUCT A FULL. RISK ASSESSMENT. TIMELY, COMPLETE AND TRANSPARENT.

INFORMATION SHARING UNDER THE. INTERNATIONAL IS ESSENTIAL TO. CLARIFY CONFLICTING REPORTS AND. ASSESSMENT OF POTENTIAL PUBLIC. RISKS. >> Brian: LET'S BRING IN A. DOCTOR, AN INFECTIOUS DISEASE. PHYSICIAN SENIOR SCHOLAR OF THE. JOHN HOPKINS CENTER FOR HEALTH. SECURITY. SO WE LOSE A SECOND GUY. WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? >> I THINK THAT WE NEED TO GET A. LOT MORE CLARITY ON WHAT THESE. PEOPLE ARE GETTING INFECTED.

WITH. WE STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT. KILLED THIS FIRST PERSON AND. THERE ARE RUMORS OF A SECOND. DEATH. I THINK WE NEED TO GET A LOT. MORE TRANSPARENCY FROM THE. RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, WHAT THEY. WERE TESTED FOR, WHAT THEY WERE. NOT TESTED FOR WHAT THE. SUSPECTED ILLNESS MAY BE AND I. THINK IT'S VERY HARD TO GET THEM. TO BE TRANSPARENT T WHO CAN SAY. A LOT OF THINGS BUT THEY DON'T. HAVE TEETH. THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO ACTUALLY. BRING THIS TO A CLOSE BECAUSE. WHAT THEY CAN DO IS USE KIND OF. MORAL PERSUASION AND THE. RUSSIANS ARE PART OF THE WHO SO.

THEY WANT TO BE A MEMBER IN GOOD. STANDING HOPEFULLY THEY START TO. GIVE US MORE INFORMATION. >> TWO OTHER PEOPLE NOW UNDER. LOCKDOWN SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO. GET IN THERE AND WHAT IS THEIR. HISTORY IN THE PAST, DO THEY. HAVE A HISTORY OF DOING THIS. TYPE OF WORK IN SIBERIA? DID YOU GUYS -- IS IT WELL KNOWN. ABOUT THIS LAB? >> SO THE TWO YOU KNOW HUNDRED. PEOPLE, NOW WE'RE HEARING THAT. THEY'RE STARTING TO HANDY. QUARANTINE BUT THAT WAS. CERTAINLY IRREGULAR FOR A. PLAYING. YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE. THAT TYPE OF RESPONSE. SO MANY OF US, OUR MINDS JUMP TO.

WHAT RUSSIA AND WHAT THE SOVIET. UNION HAVE DONE BEFORE WHICH IS. OFFENSIVE BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS AND. MANY OF THESE ANTI PLAGUE. INSTITUTES WELL CHARACTERIZED. THEY KIND OF DOT THE ENTIRE. SOVIET LANDSCAPE, WERE OFTEN. DOING DUAL DUTY, THEY WERE. STUDYING PLAGUE AND OTHER. DISEASES BUT ALSO PART OF THE. OFFENSIVE BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS. PROGRAMS ONE OF THE MOST. EXTENSIVE IN HISTORY OR THE. MOST, THAT WORKED CLASS DES. DANLY AND DID HAVE LABORATORY.

ACCIDENTS WHERE PEOPLE DIED. >> Brian: SO IF YOU'RE THE. RUSSIANS, WHAT IS IT TO THEIR. BENEFIT TO BE SECRET I HAVE I. GUESS THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT. THEIR REPUTATION BUT THEY. EXPERIENCED THE PANDEMIC LIKE WE. ALL DID. DO YOU SENSE THEY UNDERSTAND THE. URGENCY EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT. BEING AS OPEN AS THEY WANT. >> I DO THINK THEY UNDERSTAND. WHAT'S GOING ON AND PROBABLY. KNOW A L LOT MORE THAN WHAT. THEY'RE SAYING. THIS ERA SAYING THERE'S NO. PLAGUE THERE, THIS IS NOT AN.

EMERGENCY, THAT ALL OF THOSE. CONTEXTS ARE NOT SICK AND THINKS. BASICALLY OVER AND RELAXING. THEIR ANTI EPIDEMIC MEASURES. HOWEVER ANY TIME AN INFECTIOUS. DISEASE OCCURS IN A COUNTRTRY. THERE'S ALWAYS RED SENSE TO BE. OPEN ABOUT IT THEY KIND OF KEEP. EVERYTHING CLOSE TO THE CHEST. THEY DON'T LIKE TO SAY WE SAW. THAT WITH CHINA AND COVID WE SAW. IT WITH MIDDLE EAST RESPIRATORY. SYSTEM IN SAUDI ARABIA, THIS. HAPPENS OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND. I THINK WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO. DO PROBABLY IS GET IT ALL. CLEANED UP BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY. SAY WHAT IT IS. AND MAYBE THEY STILL HAVE.

OUTSTANDING DIAGNOSTIC TESTS. THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE. OUT WHAT KILLED THIS PERSON. SO IT GOES AGAINST THEIR PURPOSE. TO DO THIS, BUT THIS IS WHAT. COUNTRIES OFTEN DO AND A COUNTRY. LIKE RUSSIA CERTAINLY HAS NEVER. BEEN OPEN. >> Brian: RIGHT. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU THINK IF IT. WAS JUST AN HONEST EXPERIMENT. THEY WOULDN'T BE SECRETI.