Sharon Osbourne | Dumb Blonde Podcast

[music]. Is this thing on? Hi babies. Welcome. back to another episode of Dumb Blonde. Today I have a woman sitting in front of. me who genuinely needs no introduction, but is one of the most amazing women. that I have ever had the privilege of. being able to look up to and aspire to. be sitting across from me. M Sharon.

Osborne, I'm so happy to have you here. >> I'm happy to be here. Believe me, I'm. happy to be back in the world again and. I'm so happy to be here. So, thank you. How are you doing? >> Um, I'm doing okay. >> Hanging in there. That hair looks. fabulous. >> Thank you. [laughter]. >> The the new haircut is like, girl, you. are getting your groove back. You're. looking really good. How often do you. have to dye that hair? Because I used to.

be a red head. >> It's, you know, it's a [ __ ]. nightmare. >> It's a nightmare. >> It's a nightmare. My neck is red. Everything I wear is [laughter] the. pillowcases. >> Oh, I believe it. It's like a scene. every time you shower. >> Yeah. It looks like somebody's my. throat. It It's [laughter] everywhere. Um I have it done the color done every. 10 days. >> Oh wow. Okay. Yeah. So that's about what. I had to do too when I was a red. I. loved being a red head and I felt like. the sexiest ever when I was a redhead. but the upkeep was more than blonde. I.

was like let's give me some bleach. I'm. going back. >> Have you ever been blonde? >> No. Never. And I had blue I'm sorry. blonde highlights in the 80s. That was. as close as I got. >> Yeah. She was like, "Nope, I'm just a. red head." I think red is just your. signature color, too. >> Yeah. Well, my mother was a red head. and, you know, she was Irish, so she had. red hair and, you know, green eyes, so I. I I got it from her. Of course, you.

know, it's. gray or white or whatever color it is. underneath. And uh I tried doing that. and that was just miserable. >> No, I hate it. right? Like, oh, it just. doesn't feel right. I have a few gray. hairs in the front, too. And I'm like, bleach it now. >> I would look at my reflection sometimes, like in a shop window. I'd go, who the. [ __ ] is that? It's me. Like, no thanks. >> Yeah. No, I can't do it. But you you're. pulling off the red. It just looks It's. your signature color. But I came across.

you guys. I think it was Kelly was. talking about you're very particular. with your morning routine. And I was. wondering to myself, what exactly is. Sharon Osborne's morning routine? >> Well, um, now it's changed somewhat cuz. I'm up all night. I'm I'm a bad sleeper. So, I'm I'm I'm like rustle around all. night. But the morning routine is has to.

be the news, the world news. I I'm like. addicted to it. I'll check Instagram, check my emails, and then I start with. the ice on the face. >> Okay. So, we have a beauty secret. >> Oh, yeah. >> Cuz that's how you look so flawless is. the ice on the face. >> The ice on the face. >> Do you put it in a bowl? Do you do that. or. >> I do the bowl and then I do it in, you. know, in a little baggie and just keep. >> doing it. And then I do a face mask. >> Okay. >> And then I start the day.

>> I love that. But I have to I now I have. to I'm at the age where I have to find. my eyes every day because you wake up. and you're like what? [laughter]. >> I'm about to get an upper bluff so I can. find my eyes. Sometimes I wake up in the. morning and this one's like doing its. own thing and I'm like what is is this. 46? Like what's happening? >> This is it. >> Yeah. This is what we have to look. forward to. [gasps]. >> So I heard you talk about your mom and I. actually watched this um documentary. that you did last night of discovering. your family. Before we go any further, do you want me to bring your microphone.

back so you can sit back or. >> um so I watched this documentary last. night of you sitting with a historian, sitting with your niece, was it or your. cousin niece and you were learning about. your family and. >> it was so inspirational to me because I. don't know anything about my family. either side that I come from and. watching you sit down with this person. and discover so much about your family. was so enlightening and I was like I'm. going to do that because you really got.

to learn like your grandmother Dolly was. in the entertainment industry, your. grandfather was in the entertainment. industry. >> I knew that they were in the. entertainment industry, but I knew. nothing. I mean, nothing else at all cuz. my mother, yes, she would talk about she. was in the entertainment industry, too. And she would talk about only. professional. This is what we all did. this is, you know, where you came from, but nothing else.

>> Yeah. And watching you get to discover. that. And also, you didn't know who your. grandfather was, right? Because your. grandmother never spoke about him. So, you get you got to know him through like. pictures. I mean, they pulled up jail. records. >> Oh, yeah. My mother and her my mother. and her mother were arrested stealing um. Christmas cards from a department store. And what got me was my mother was 12. years of age and in those days if you.

were 12 and you got arrested you were. immediately put in jail to await trial. So they got caught on a Saturday and. then on she was there all day Saturday. all day Sunday and then Monday she went. into court and they were in separate. cells. >> Oh no. And I went to the actual. >> building where the jail was. And the. jail was like as big. The place was as. big as this. Can you imagine being 12.

years old and locked up away from your. mother? >> No. >> And what got me was when she went into. court, she told the judge that it wasn't. her mother, it was her. >> She took the blame for it. >> She took the blame for it. And I never. knew anything anything about any of. that. And I was like, whoa. And then I. learned that. generations back they were all born in. workhouses.

>> Mhm. And then you also learned about. like I think it was you lost was it an. aunt that was like 18 that died from. tuberculosis. like there was just so much cool stuff. because I I never got into like. ancestry.com until I got older and I was. like I want to know where I come from. I. want to know my family and I feel like. what you did was just really awesome. So, >> and it was it was weird because I. thought they would have gone to my. father, >> but him being. born in Eastern Europe and being Jewish,

everything during the war got destroyed. So there were there was nothing on. anyone. So they couldn't find anything. past his mother. So then they went to my. mother cuz my father was a Russian Jew. My mother was an Irish Catholic. >> So it's like I'm a mut, >> right? Spicy one though. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's where you get your temper. from. Now that I know that I know that. dad's Russian. I knew that mom was. Irish, but I didn't know that dad was a. Russian Jew. So that's definitely Well,

that's why he was so gangster, too. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. and we're going to talk about him. in a minute, but don't you think that it. is so um serendipitous um how your. entire mom's side of the family was in. the entertainment center and it has. literally just continued on into your. generation. >> I love that. It's um it was growing up. I had an amazing childhood because it. was spent on the road. the whole time I.

was brought up on the road and it was. like my father had a thing where he. would um he would call people who. weren't in the industry civilians. >> and I it was like I didn't know anybody. who wasn't in the industry and we were. brought up in a very weird way. There. were no kids parties. There were no. friends sleepovers. It was business.

And it was like this is what we do. And. it was like I I was born with blinkers. on. I didn't know anything else. >> It was just how you were raised. >> Yeah. And it was like you're going to go. into the entertainment industry. Well, I. couldn't sing. I couldn't dance. I. couldn't act. [snorts] I was overweight. And I laughed a lot. So it was like they. thought my father thought oh well if she. get you know we whip her enough some. some talent will come out and there was.

[ __ ] off [laughter] there was nothing. >> but you did you had your mind. >> so I I went into the business side of. the industry. >> and I've heard you say that you're so. you're so actually I think it was last. night um by the way uh congratulations. on the Clive Davis Visionary Award that. is so awesome and I listened to your. entire speech last night and it was so. beautiful. You just have such a way with. eloquently saying stuff even when you're. cussing and I need to learn that because. I cuss a lot too. um you had said in.

your speech last night you were talking. about your father and what what I've. seen with your relationship with your. father is you love that man so much but. at the same time you also I don't want. to know I don't know if the word resent. is the right word or just um he just. gets under your skin be it's been a very. lovehate. relationship with you guys. >> it was very much a lovehate relationship. when I was a young girl, I idolized him.

I thought he was everything. And then as. I got older and I started to work with. him and learn the industry from him, I. would see the way he would behave. We. were there was always violence around. which I thought everybody did, >> right? That was your way of of life and. thinking because that's all you knew. >> That's all I knew. And so if anybody. didn't do what you wanted them to do, so. you'd threaten them and it was like,

"Oh, okay. What's the big deal?". >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> Doesn't everyone. >> strong armed robbery, no problem. >> It's like, doesn't everyone? >> And then when you learn and you get. older and you see how other people live. and. that definitely worried me. And then. when I learned that my father's tactics. with money was really not good, he was a thief. >> to every artist. He was a thief. He was.

an incredibly good music manager and he. could read music and write it. >> Wow, that's a terrible. >> And he had a great voice because he. started out in the industry as a singer. >> Okay. Wow. Oh, >> and so he had a brilliant voice, but he. never made it for whatever reason, probably cuz he was too busy punching. people. But anyway, he went into he was. a promoter, he was a manager, he was an. agent, then he ended up having his own.

record label. But um it was then I. learned that you know he he would around. on my mom all the time and I was like I. thought he was like the most straight. guy in the world. And then when as a kid. when you see it start to crumble. >> and then as I was working for him he. would go you know tax everywhere in the. world and I need my freedom. I'm going. to put everything in your name. You sign.

everything. Every mortgage, every bank. loan, every artist contract you sign and. it gives me freedom to go around the. world without any hassle. And I'm. thinking, "Oh, great. Yeah, I'll do. that. You can put that company in my. name and send it bankrupt. I love that.". And um I was like a beard for him. And. when we eventually split, >> which we'll get into that too cuz that. comes later. Yes, for sure. So the violence that was outside of the.

home, did you ever witness that inside. the home? >> Oh yeah. I mean, I can remember one time. [snorts] my dad was managing Jean. Vincent and he was an a remarkable man. and I was just a kid, but he came into. the house and he was drunk one day and. you know, God only knows how he got a. gun, but he had a gun and he put it to a. guy who was my mother's son from her.

first marriage and just put it to his. head and said, "If you don't do this, I'm going to And it was like, "Oh, okay. then." [laughter]. >> Yeah. Like, how do you even react to. that? You can't. >> No. And And there would always be. somebody else threatening my father and. it was just constant. >> So, you grew up in sort of a fight. orflight mode. >> Yeah. It was. But again, I got to a point where it was just like, "Oh, all right then. >> This is normal." Yeah. This is your way.

of life. >> That's what you do. I mean, I at the end. of the day, I ended up fighting people. >> Yes. And you're spicy. You are spicy. We're going to get into some of those. stories later, but I was like, this. little firecracker like I I think it's. just uh insane because you you know, you're such a just a tiny woman, but you. have s such a you're such a force to be. reckoned with and such a powerhouse. >> I have a bad tempo. [laughter]. That's really. >> It's okay. So do I. I get it. But I. mean, you're also a product of your.

environment and how you were raised, you. know. Um, your mom, when you talk about. your mom, what was your guys'. relationship like inside the home and as. you were growing up? >> Not good. My mom loved adored my. brother. And I was born at a time. it was everybody wanted a son. And my. brother was skinny, blonde, blue-eyed. He had a great personality and he was a.

good actor and he used to get a lot of. work as a kid in film and whatever and. my mother adored him and I can see why. I mean I have my own son. I get it. >> But I was much more to my father. I was. with my father and my brother was with. my mother and it it um it continued like. that. >> all throughout life. >> Throughout life. Yeah. >> I hate that. But you got to fix that. whenever you had your do your own. daughters. I bet. >> I did.

>> You probably became the mother that you. always desired to have cuz you. >> seem like an amazing mother. I mean, we've all watched you on TV for. >> decades now. And just how you are with. your daughters is a really beautiful. thing. I didn't get a mom, so I was. like, Sharon Osborne's my mom. [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> I didn't I didn't get the mom uh card, but in this life, but it's okay. I'll. share you. Um, can we talk about the. Houston Trio and you know how you. discovered that also about your family. that that was that their dance group.

that they had. Um, your mom and her. sisters, they were in a group called the. Houston Trio and they were a pretty. amazing act. >> Yeah. I mean, in VA, it was Vivville in. those days. Yeah. >> And Yeah. She was a dancer. >> and her mother was a choreographer. >> Yeah. And that's how that's how it went. Yeah, >> that's amazing. Pe, you know, people always assume that. Aussie brought like the chaos into your.

life, but like we just talked about, that was what you were so used to um. growing up in the [clears throat] house. with your father. So, you know, when. Azie comes onto the scene at 18, I think. you were, were you 15 or 18? You were. 18. And he walks into your dad's office, you were like, "Red flags are my color. [laughter]. and you were just like instantly drawn. to him. Can you take me on this first. day of seeing Azie? I'm know you told. the story a lot, but I want some of my.

younger listeners to hear. >> I was I was at at 18, I was still acting. as receptionist for my dad, learning the. management side of the industry. So when. people would come into the office, I'd. meet and greet and do the TE's. And I. was also. working the switchboard. >> because in those days it was [laughter]. a switchboard and I looked like a skit. out of an SNL going crazy. >> because I would have.

>> the headphones on and this thing that. looked like a TARDIS where you would. plug in the calls and it. >> it's like what you see in the cartoons. >> Yes. Yeah. And that was me. And it was. like. when Black Sabbath came into the office. and they all sat on the floor, I was. kind of like shy and I would like look. at him out the corner of my eye. And um. you know I was like this and putting. through calls and do you want tea and. you know would you like a biscuit and um.

they were the oddest people I'd ever. seen in my life cuz I was used to. working with slick uh or seeing rather. people that were very slick. >> Mhm. >> And um together. >> you know and um that smelt good and all. of that. >> that bathed. >> Yeah. And suddenly these four guys come. in and [snorts] and Aussie was just like. he had a chuchy face. Even then he had a.

real baby face. He had really long hair. and he had a piece of string with a. forcet on. >> as jewelry. >> A a foret. >> Okay. Oh, like a faucet. >> Yeah, a faucet. >> Okay. Gotcha. >> We call them taps in England. So I'm. trying to be American. So, >> gotcha. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> And um it was in the color gold, but of. course it wasn't bloody gold. And um he. had pajamas on and he walked in and he.

had like um we would call them Jesus. sandals. They were like. >> Birkenstocks. >> and he had Jesus sandals on which he. threw off. And I'm looking at his feet. Oh Jesus. [laughter]. And that was the first time I met him. And that night they were performing in. London and we all went down to see them. cuz they were looking for management. So. they came in to see my father. >> and.

um they came out of the meeting. They. went in to see my dad and we went to see. them perform that night. and my father's. bodyguard chauffeur drove them back to. their hotel after the meeting with my. father. and also my father's dayto-day guy in. the office. >> and they my father thought oh you know. they're going to give them the chat and. convince them that you know I'm the guy. for them well they didn't.

they. told them don't sign with him. come with us. >> Mhm. >> We're young. We're eager. We We think. you're amazing. You know, all the chat. >> And that's what they did. >> So, they ended up not going with your. dad and going with somebody else. >> Yeah. Who worked for my father, who was. his bodyguard, and my father went in. >> I was just about to say, I couldn't even.

imagine because I'm sure he saw the. potential that Aussie had. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. And we all did. We were all like, "What is this?". >> Yeah. This is something new. >> Yeah. >> And um so I had this trauma in my life. for it was probably the first seven. years that Sabbath were together and. they instantly blew up and they were, you know, touring the world. And I was. touring the world by that time in a with.

a band called Electric Light Orchestra. >> Oh wow. That was one of my dad's. favorite bands. So I was out with them. who were from the same town as Aussie. >> Wow. >> And Sabbath. So we would pass each. other. >> Yeah. >> At airports and all over. And I became. quite friendly with them. >> So when they would come to LA, I'd get a. phone call sometimes from the guitar. player, never Aussie cuz Aussie was. married, >> right?

>> And from the guitar player, he'd say, "I'm in town. You know, where should I. go? you know, should I go to the. rainbow? Where should I go? All of those. things like you do. >> And then about. eight years on, I get the phone call, would your father take us back from. management? These managers have stolen. all our money. We've got nothing. We owe. tax. Will you help us? >> And we did. >> You took it. your dad took them back or.

is this when you. >> I was still working for my father at the. time. >> and um my father said absolutely yes and. I was doing the dayto-day. and there was terrible. >> turmoil within the band every band it's. the same. >> yes. >> especially at that seven eight year mark. where you know they. >> you've been in a a van traveling with. these people and you guys just cannot. get along and get on each other's. nerves. Yes, >> exactly. And it was just at that stage.

and um they all decided that Aussie was. a problem. >> Oh, >> and he must go. >> Nobody ever wants to look inside. themselves. They always want to blame. everybody else. >> And also, I think to be fair, when. you've got a band and before you start, they're calling for the singer. So they. would always be the Aussie chant before. they would go on stage where the crowd. was calling for Aussie. And I get it. I.

mean, if I was a bass player or a guitar. player, I'd go, "What the about me?". >> And so I get it. They were resentful and they thought he. was a problem. >> You would think though being in a band. you would be happy that you have a front. man that the world loves because that. means that you would have more gigs. This thing, this thing is in in. >> we get it, right? >> Musicians don't get it. They've all, you.

know, no matter what, the good, the bad, the ugly, they've all got egos. They all. want their moment. And I understand. that. I totally understand it. >> But in the most simplistic way, it's. like, are you nuts? Why? Like, >> be a frontman. Don't be a drummer. Or. don't be a guitar player. Dou that was always my thing. I'm like. well you know how many really really. famous drummers are there. >> right. >> at that time in the industry you know.

>> Yeah. Oh at that time none. Yeah. >> And it was just like, >> you know, you you chose this. This is. what you do. >> and you're hugely successful and people. admire you and love you, but. Aussy's got that thing. >> that razzledazzle. >> And so it's like just go with the flow, but no. And I understood it all. And. then. um we decided to keep Aussie on. M. So I.

said, "Okay, I'll deal with Aussie." My. father dealt with the guys in Sabbath. And then that lasted maybe a year. And. then Sabbath came and said, "You've got. to choose. We don't like the fact that. Aussie is here. It's him or us.". >> I feel like all these ultimatums are. kind of wild, especially when they came. to you guys and were like, "Hey, save. us. We're over here sinking, but we're.

going to come back and tell you how to. run your job. >> Yeah. But again, it's like I get it. They're like kids, >> right? >> And musicians are super emotional and I. mean, yes, I get it. >> And so, we made the decision. Bye. [laughter]. >> So, the band got fired and you guys kept. Aussie on. You kept Aussie under you. Yeah. >> But your dad was still kind of. co-managing, correct? Or. >> Yeah, he was. And um we were trying to.

move away because I knew what was going. to happen. >> And by that time you were already in. love with Aussie. >> Yeah. >> You guys had already started. >> And every you know at every gig. I would in those days you'd get you'd. get paid in cash. Everything was cash. cash. >> And I would bring back the big bag with. the money and he'd be giving me the. money. And I'm like I got bills to pay. We got to pay trucking. We got to pay. the road crew. Got to pay the van. >> Right. >> [ __ ] them.

>> Mm-. >> And we just disappeared. We literally. ran away. >> Having your dad strongarm you like that. for your whole life? Do you think that. you getting with Aussie gave you enough. strength to be able to step away from. him because you trusted him so much and. was like, "Okay, you know, I'm ready to. be on my own and I think I can do this. without my father because I have. Aussie.". >> Yeah. And I'd been I'd been on the road. with several bands around the world. I I.

had uh at that point I was managing. another. singer and another guitar player, a guy. Glenn Hughes. He used to be in Deep. Purple and this great guitar player Gary. Moore that was in Thin Lizzy and I put. them together and they were I was trying. to get that guitar player from Thin. Lizzy in with Aussie but again don't. like him. Don't like him. So that didn't. work. So I felt I was ready and I knew.

that if we stayed. it just couldn't I just couldn't allow. my father to do that to Aussie. He had a. wife. He had kids. You just can't do that. >> You know, before me, he had a wife and. kids. And it was just like you just. can't. And when you see the blood, sweat, and tears that goes into it, the. hard work night after night after night. You know, I know a lot of people think.

that it's just like a continuous party, but you know what it's like. >> It's like a traveling circus. And it's it's hard, you know, and it it. breaks you down emotionally. And I just said, "We've got to go." And. we literally. went to an agent that was working with. us that I trusted and I asked him to. lend us some money. and he put us in um South Carolina in a. hotel and we were hiding.

>> Wow. Oh, so to to get away from your. father, you had to go into hiding. >> Hiding. >> because And then I also heard that he. had like sent people to kill you and. threaten you. And. >> oh yeah, these guys from New York would. come and they'd sit on in the dressing. room, put their foot here, and inside. the boot you would see the handle of the. gun sticking out and your father wants. Aussie to sign this the publishing. And. I'm like, get the And I I was just.

turning myself into my father. I was like, that was the only thing I. knew what to do. What am I going to do? Go to the police? >> No, you can't. >> You know, they would have laughed me and. told me, you know, go away, crazy woman. And so we spent, oh god, probably the. first 3 years of my kids' lives, you. know, we'd get phone calls, what are you.

doing in LA? Get the kids out, you know, blah blah blah. Like, you know, I knew. it was all his people and it was. terrible. >> That has got to be such an uh just I I. couldn't even describe that feeling of. just knowing that your father is almost. hunting you. >> Yeah. And the more successful, the worse. it got. The more successful he became. obsessed. >> Do you think that he would have really. hurt you or he was just threatening you?

>> I don't know. >> Yeah. >> I honestly don't know. >> And so that split lasted for 20 years. because, you know, he became obsessive. and the stalking and the harassment. >> How do you close that gap with your dad? How do you find that forgiveness in your. heart for him after putting his own. daughter through something so brutal? >> He lost everything. He went on to manage. other successful bands, but he lost it.

all. >> Wow. >> And. >> I just got goosebumps. and you know the big houses, the cars, the staff, everything went and he got. Alzheimer's. and I got a call through a mutual friend. in the industry and they said, "Your. father needs you. He's got nothing. He. can't pay his rent." You know, all of. this. And um by this time my mother had. died.

long long before and he was on his own. I didn't want to do anything and it was. Aussie and he said, "You've got to go. You've got to do the right thing." And. I'm like, "The right thing's to leave. him." [laughter] And. >> let him burn. >> Yeah. Really? Um and Aussie insisted I. did it. >> And I did. I got him from England and I. brought him back to LA and I got him. nurses and set him up in a place and. that was it.

>> Were you able to have a conver I know he. had Alzheimer's, but were you able to. have a conversation with him to where he. told you at least that he was sorry or. anything like that? No, you never got. the sorry you deserved. >> No, never. Never. Never. Never. >> I'm so sorry that you didn't get the. sorry that you deserved. >> It was weird. It was it was very weird. because when he eventually passed, I'd. already mourned him because when we left. and ran away from him, I was mourning.

him. I missed him so much and I couldn't. believe what he was trying to do to me. >> So, I went through years of that. >> And having to mourn somebody while. they're still alive is probably tougher. than when they've already passed. And. then when he eventually passed, I was I. didn't shed a tear. >> I'd done it. I'd done it years before. >> I was actually relieved for him because. he was I mean, it's the most wicked.

thing to have that. >> disease. It's horrendous. >> And I was actually relieved that he was. at peace. Well, I'm proud of you for taking care. of him, even if you didn't want to. And. my parents and life, I had to do the. same thing. I left home at 14, never met. my mom till I was 36. My father was a. relationship like how you and your. father have. And in the end, I got to. take care of both of my parents in their. death. And I always say that in some.

weird way, it's like their way of. closure for us. Like it's kind of like. how the universe just gives us a little. bit of closure like that we would have. never gotten before. So I try to always. see the blessing and the lesson in it. So I am proud of you for stepping up and. taking care of them cuz I know for from. personal experience it is not easy. >> No, it's not. It's not. And and you know. it was like the first time that I. actually saw my father after 20 years. I. walked in and he goes, "Oh, you're still.

fat. And I'm like, "Yeah, I am. >> I'm so sorry." You. >> even though he had Alzheimer's, he could. still give insults. >> You didn't deserve that. >> No. And I was just like, "Oh shit.". >> You're like, "You know what? Why don't. you go back to I'm going to ship you. back right now. >> Bye.". >> So, let's go back cuz I heard you talk. about Azy's um marriage that he had. before. And if you want to cut any of.

this out, we can. Um, are I know that he. was married and I know that you guys got. together while he was still married. >> Yeah. >> Are you friends with his previous wife. and do you have a relationship with. those kids also? Now, >> it's um very complex. >> Got you. >> Aussiey's wife was married very early. She got pregnant very early and she was. married and had a child to somebody. before she met Aussie. >> Gotcha. So when Aussie and her name is.

Thelma got together, she had a. five-year-old child and they married, Aussie was already in Black Sabbath and. they were just starting to break and she. was a student and she they were young, >> right? It was like one of those first. love things. >> Exactly. >> Babies. The pair of them were babies. And there's this young girl who had a. baby and she's a baby. >> and their lives just went in opposite.

directions. He was constantly on the. road and when he was home he was drunk. and acting. I can only imagine. [laughter] and um. it fell apart. It it couldn't stay. together. They were two totally. different people that had two great. kids. that was their connection was the. kids and um we. I knew her but we were so different. I.

was a big mouthed flash kid and she was. a student. >> So I would come in a room and fing blind. and you know and she would look at me. like she's crazy. She's crazy. [laughter]. And I get it. >> You're like a little mobster yourself. So I could only imagine how you were. back then. >> So it you [laughter] can um so we had. nothing in common other than I was. always respectful to her because she was.

Aussie's wife and they had their. children together. >> I'm very close with Aussie's son. >> Oh, very good. >> And you know, it's always the way the. girls go with the moms, the guys, you. know. >> Yeah. and we we have a great. relationship and um adore him. >> and my kids adore him. >> I love that. I love blended families. >> It's a unit, you know. >> Yes. I love that. We we have a blended. family as you know also. So I I respect. it and I love it.

>> Was I've heard you say a few times that. Azie was actually romantic. >> I' Yeah, I've heard a couple of times. that you say that. Can you give us a. couple of examples of Azy's romance? He. was more romantic than I was. >> I Which I think a lot of people would. have a hard time believing. Yeah. >> So so romantic. He would like um when we. were first together and you know that. that whole initial thing of beating.

someone and you fall instantly in love. and you know that honeymoon period. there, you know, there's nothing like. it. and he would go back to home and I'd. go home and he would give me. a couple of t-shirts and say, "Wear them. so you could smell me." And in the t or. the pockets. he'd leave little notes [laughter]. >> and it's like [clears throat].

>> how can you not just fall in love with. that over. >> and when I would when we'd be away from. each other and we'd come back he would. always have a gift for me. Always. >> That's amazing. That was so beautiful. He uh [snorts]. later on I'd always been a night person. and so I was you know usual up all night. and in the morning he would come in with. breakfast for me that he'd made and. there would be a note and a flower. >> Oh my goodness. I love that. People.

really don't realize how boys at home. take note writing little love notes for. your girlfriend or your wife. Just me. I. have any note that Jay has ever written. me, I still have saved. >> cuz I just think it's such a it's an. art. It's like a it's it's really like a. lost art. >> It is. It is. And when he would be on. the road and I wasn't there, he would. write me letters and post them. [laughter]. >> I mean,

it's like, you know, >> how could you not love him? He was so easy to love because he was, you know, everybody has this perception. of what they think Aussie was. >> He was just a a a guy that wanted to be. loved. >> And from the Osborne, we got a glimpse. of you guys. He was such a lovable dad. >> Such a love when he, you know, with you, he was so lovable. Like you could tell.

the man could not live without you. And. I think that when you guys did the. reality show, we actually got to see how. your family dynamic worked. Can you. before the Osbor, can you take me back. to how was it balancing his career and. then you coming into motherhood on your. own? Cuz I couldn't imagine trying to. balance Aussie Osborne in the, you know, 80s, 90s, and then you having babies and. having to like, did you have to slow. down or how did that even work? >> Do you know what? I look back now and I.

go, "How. in God's name did I do it?" Yeah. >> We When Amy was born, we had a crib put. in the back of the tour bus. >> Wow. >> And. >> she's a road baby. >> A road baby. Absolutely. And she was. literally raised on the road. And then. when it There's only a year between each. of them. >> And cuz I lost um three. >> before I had Amy. So, um,

they were born within a year and. again it was like me. >> They came back. Not to cut you off, but. they came back to you. You lost three. and then you had three. >> A, that's so beautiful. >> Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. >> No, no, no, not at all. And they were. raised on the road. So, it was But it. was It's hard, you know, because I. wanted them to have roots. I wanted them. to have security. I wanted them to have. that warm home, that safe.

place, that's their home. >> that you never got. You never had a safe. space. >> I didn't. No, but they did. And um you. know, every school holiday and you know, they were out with us on the road and. and we just made it work. I mean, I look. back honestly at some of those Osboard. shows and I'm like, you little shits. How dare you talk to your father like. that? I mean, they were gremlins. [laughter].

>> Oh, no. I There was a couple clips that. I watched last night and I was like, I. don't know how Sharon didn't, you know, just freak out. But you always had so. much patience. And I think what was so. cool is that no matter how like Kelly. was really known for kind of going off a. little bit, no matter how much she would. go off, you guys always responded to her. with love. And I think as parents that's. one of the hardest things you can do but. also one of the most important things. you can do because you know when you.

meet fire with fire it the only thing it. does is creates a bigger fire. >> but you created such a safe space that. your kids were able to talk to you you. know and express their emotions and you. didn't shut them down. >> I would always listen. Aussie would. always listen, but they, believe me, when we'd be in bed at night, we'd go, "Can you believe what they said to us? What are we raising here? [laughter]. >> I mean, they were gremlins.". >> Yeah. I feel like Jack was always so.

sweet, right? I Maybe we didn't get to. see the the gremlin part of him, but. Jack was always just so sweet and like. whatever floats your boat. And then, you. know, we didn't really get to see Amy. because she didn't want to be on the. show, which how did she come about. deciding that that she didn't want to be. on the show? >> Amy has always been she was um. very mature as a child. Very, very. mature. And it was because of the. upbringing that she had. >> So, she knew her own mind and she said,

"It's it's not for me. I I don't want to. do this. I don't want to be recognized. everywhere I go. I want to just have my. life to me. And I thought it was an in. incredibly mature thing to do. >> Absolutely. Especially during that era. because that's when. >> it's like going to the Grammys. >> Mhm. >> And I said to her, we're going on Sunday. and with the red carpet. She goes, "No, you know, I don't do the red carpet, Mom. I'll be there, but I'm not doing.

the red carpet." And she's still the. same. >> She just stuck to her guns. >> Yeah. I respect it. >> Yeah, you did that. You raised a strong. woman like that. So, yeah. Which one of. your children is most like you? And. which one of your children is most like. Aussie? >> I think Jack is most like me and Kelly's. like her dad. >> A I mean, she has the man's face. Like. you they she is like a young Aussie when. you look at her face. She is literally.

her dad. But you'll see Amy where you'll. see her on on Sunday and Saturday and. she's the really the image. She has his. hair and she has his um. >> there was a really quiet I know it. sounds funny to say it but there was a. really quiet side to Aussie where he. >> you know Aussie didn't like to um mix. with other bands. He liked to be with just normal people.

>> He didn't care for the egos and the. fluff. >> Oh my god. No. And I mean there's. we all know we see it every day. I mean, you know, and especially with lead singers. I mean. the lead singers it's like I can. remember Robert Plant years and years. ago said. >> again they came from the same part of. England and Aussie was in his house as.

in early early 20s. >> and he said to Aussie what is tell me. what does it feel like to be in a room. with the world's greatest rock singer. >> and Aussiey's like are you talking about. me [laughter]. wow. hm M. >> and he's still probably one of the most. egotistical men I've ever met in my. life. And you just go, "Shut the [ __ ]. up. You're old. You're fat. Shut up.". [laughter].

>> That is so crazy because you know, huge. Led Zeppelin fan, of course. So, >> so I had a podcast with Jacobe from Papa. Roach and I had I had read a story where. he had disrespected a festival that he. played at um I think it was was it. Ozfest? I'm not positive. It was a. festival that you were running. >> and you pulled him in the back and you. read him the riot act. He said that he. had never had the tiniest woman put him.

in place like he did when you put him in. his place. And he said from that day on. he got his together and he wanted to. thank you for that. >> That is that means a lot. That means a. real lot. It does. It does. >> No. And especially for that guy cuz he. was wild. So for you to make that. impression on him, I think that was just. really beautiful. >> That's great. And it's like because so. many times.

you see these young kids with great. talent and they are surrounded by Yes. people. >> Yes. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. You're right. You're. right. You're right. You're right. You. can behave any way you want. You've just. sold so many records and you go and do. it. >> [ __ ] them. And it's like, no. >> Uh-uh. No. You know, if you want to stay in this. business a long time, if you want to. have a long career and you want people. to invite you back again to work with. you and you know, you.

>> you have to, you know, it's it's so easy. to lose your sense of reality when you. get new fame. It's so easy. And I've. seen it happen to so many people who. were genuinely good people, but they. were just it drunk with the fame. And so. they, you know, said things, behaved in. certain ways, and they could never get. their career back. And it's sad. So you. always need somebody to say, "Hey, >> what are you doing?".

>> Mhm. >> I don't care how many records you've. just sold. You want to sell more in the. future, then shut your [ __ ] mouth. >> Yeah. >> And so it's people need that. But but. they're surrounded by Yes. people. >> who are scared. Oh, they'll they'll fire. me. >> Yeah. Well, it made an impact on Jacob's. life and he we'll put the we'll put. these clips together and I'll send it to. you whenever I get it and that you can. hear him talk about how much he admires. you and he is really thankful that you. gave him that reading of the riot act.

because he needed it. >> Yeah. >> I mean, you know, so so many of these. kids that I've seen that have never made. it through, >> you know, they've lost their lives and. it's like, >> [ __ ] if only they'd have had that one. person there. If only that had a Sharon. Osborne pep talk. >> It's like I, you know, even the older. artists, you know, I look at people like. Chris Cornell and it just [ __ ] breaks. you. It's like, if only there had been. that person, that one person there for.

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know how it goes. I love that man more. than life. And I couldn't imagine life. without him. He pisses me off. But I. love that man more than anything. I I. think if they don't annoy you, you don't. love them, you know? Of course. [laughter]. Of course. >> You know, like I just love him. He's the. best human. And now that he's lost his. weight, it's um. >> Does he feel good? >> I get a different version of him now. where, you know, before I loved the big. guy, too, you know, but I always knew. the skinny guy was under there. Yeah. But now it's like I'm getting to watch.

him live his life out loud and he's. falling in love with himself. And I love. to watch him walk by the mirror and like. he'll flex his little shoulder shoulder. muscle and he'll be like, "Baby, look. I. got a little shoulder muscle." like he's. just so excited and he's like a little. boy and he's just running and doing. everything that he could. Now he wants. to skydive. I'm like we lost all this. weight. Do we really want to attempt. death? >> We should go with Jack. Jack does it. all. >> Okay, we'll have to connect them because. he's trying to make me go and there's no. way in hell I'm going up. I was like. I'll wait for you on the ground.

>> I'm like I'm not doing He's like baby. please. I'm like absolutely not. >> No [ __ ] way. No way. Thank you. Uh, see, tell him I'm not allowed to go. Mom, tell him I'm not allowed to go. >> Stay inside the plane. Bye. >> No, I don't even want to go up there. [laughter]. >> No, I don't even want to go up there. No, I'm not doing it. >> Okay, one quick. quick quick story. >> Give me all the lore, Sharon. >> Okay. Before the.

bodyguard left that stole Sabbath, >> my father had another bodyguard. chauffeer and his name was Peter Grant. >> Oh wow. >> And. he used to take my brother and I to. school in the car and great guy. And he. left my father and he said, "I'm. managing a band. I'm leaving." It was. Led Zeppelin. >> Wow. That's insane. Yeah, you have I get. goosebumps just hearing this because you. have so much lore that I grew up. listening to these bands cuz my dad was.

a musician. So, you know, these bands. were just like I I hear you speak and. >> Weren't they amazing? >> It's just crazy. >> They were incred They were incredible. >> We're never going to have music like. that again. >> Never. >> Ever. Like this was an era that I mean. 70s 80s the music. >> pioneers. It was pioneers and now. everything is. >> you steal a bit of this and you steal a. bit of that. Oh, the digitalized. Don't. get me. Yeah. >> On that one. >> How does that make you feel seeing all. of this now? Because you have been in.

each decade and you've worked so closely. in the music industry to see where it is. now. How does it make you feel? >> Um, well, there still is, you know, that. organic, that purity in the industry. Thank God there are not that many, but. there are. And you know, then you get. the stuff that's manufactured, like. let's put a boy band together or I see. this kid from Disney and you know, this kid's got it. Let's sign her and.

you know, we'll. >> nurture her and she'll be the next big. thing. I get all of that and I get the. electronic [ __ ] too. >> And I don't mean it, >> but to me it's [ __ ]. >> But people love it and I I respect that. Great. Love it. If I was on what do you. call it? Poppers and coke and booze. I'd. love it too. >> Right. Well, I feel like it detaches you. from a soul, you know, like you you're.

hearing. >> the same thing repeated repeated, >> right? The same pitches, the same. frequency. And it's just it's not it's. not like when Janice Joplin would sing. and and hit seven octaves in one note. get goosebumps. >> literally. >> and you you you hear their soul singing. to you. >> Yes, ma'am. >> And that. >> is what I live for. And so when I've got. this guy that's brilliant on a computer. and he can do whatever and it comes out.

and it's great. It's not my thing. personally, but I appreciate people who. love it and it's like, you know, knock. yourselves out with it. But for me, I. prefer. >> the real thing. the real thing. I prefer. that. I want to hear their soul. >> Yes. Same. Exactly. >> And. >> we're just not getting that anymore. >> No, it's dying. It's dying. And now with. AI, I mean, I hate it. >> It's scary. >> Hate it. Hate it. I'm totally against it.

because. it's it's going to destroy people. It. will destroy people. >> It will. I found a a Christian song the. other day that I absolutely fell in love. with. So, I went to go find the band. It. was an AI track. I was like, "Are you. kid?" It was a rock Christian song that. I had never heard before. And I was. like, "Who is this?" I go to look and it. is a freaking AI band. And I I kind of. was just like, "How how could I have. fallen for that?" You know, like I it.

just I couldn't listen to it after that. because I was just like, I don't feel. like this is real. I feel like it's. almost not right. It's to me it's it's. like what has happened with streaming. >> Yes. >> Where people don't want to buy a body of. work anymore. They'll they'll listen to. a track or maybe two tracks from the. album and then they're they're gone. And. you know, we would. we would listen to somebody's body of. work from beginning to end. And now.

everything is attention span of 3. seconds. 3 seconds. I call it the. microwave era. >> Yeah. >> Everybody's just ready for the next 15. seconds. >> And you know, and all of this about, oh, it's brilliant. We've got one trillion. streams and here's your check for $35. And you're like, yay. [laughter]. >> Like, oh, I can't wait to be in the. music industry. >> Really, it's like that's why touring is. everything now and your merchandising,

your name and likeness. And then comes. AI that will strip everybody of all of. that. >> Yes. Which is so scary. >> It's It's terrifying. >> Disconnected. It's disconnected. >> It's terrifying. You know, I see what. what what's been going on with a AI. since Aussie passed, you know, and I'm. like, "What the hell?" And it's like, "No, no, no. You don't do that. You ask first.".

>> Absolutely. >> It's the Wild West. There are no laws. Yes, you know, you register your name, your likeness, and this, but it's the. wild west. >> Who the hell do you go to to say no? >> Right. We need to put some sort of law. in place. >> There has to be. And unless the record. companies, and I don't think they will, cuz I think they love AI, I don't think. they're going to stand by the artist. >> because they don't sign your name and. likeness. >> Right. Wow. So it's like, oh, it's not.

our problem. That's yours. And so I am. totally against it cuz this is just the. beginning. Can you imagine what it's. going to be like in even 18 months? Cuz. it moves so quickly. The technology. >> No, it's scary. It's I've been watching. it happen for the past like 2 years. Just how it's gradually and the way they. introduce it is so like passive. It's. not like in your face, but it's like, oh, here's a little bit here. And it's. almost like they they're trying to get. you used to it. You know, if I I don't.

know if you're getting brainwashing. >> That's I I didn't want to say that, but. that's exactly how they do. And then. everybody wants to do it because I can. make this guy look like this. I can make. him sing like this and oh, he looks like. this guy. And it's like, no, no, no. You. don't understand. That's a human being. You cannot take his face or his voice. and make a film. >> No. and a silly little whatever a short. a short film or whatever you're trying. to do. You cannot do that.

>> Yeah. No, you can't. It's It's honestly. very scary. I showed them a a video on. the way home uh from where we were at. earlier and it was a woman, an older. lady like dancing and it was an AI video. and I was just like this is so scary. Like everybody's going to be walking. around soulless soon because there's. really going to be no human connection. >> No. You know, and then you've got Musk. coming up with the the new robots in the. house that are going to clean the.

>> the rug. And. >> I might want a couple of those. [laughter]. >> I might want a couple of those. >> You frighten me. >> You did you ever watch the movie? What. is it? Chappie and Johnny Five. Like, give me one of Give me a sweetheart. robot like that. >> But if you've seen the ones that look. like dogs and. >> No, those are creepy. Those are creepy. >> Freak me out. >> I can't do that. No, those creep me out, too. Because you know, man's best. friend. You want to be able to snuggle. it and smell the Frito paws and all that. stuff. [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> So, moving on from AI, there was a video.

I saw of you and Kelly and Jack talking. about how during um you know, when you. would find some of Aussy's, you would have Kelly in the bag. >> Oh, Jack. [laughter]. >> Didn't matter to me. Can you please take. me on this journey of in his Was it just. the or was it any that you found you. would have somebody on them? >> Oh yeah, anything. I mean I can I can.

remember even um finding booze cuz he. used to hide booze in the oven cuz I. don't cook. So he knew I would never. open the oven. And so there would be. bottles in there and you know I would. rub it in the baby's diaper. And so when. he went like this, he'd go, "Yeah.". [laughter]. >> Because you what what do you do? Because. no matter how much, you know, with. addiction, no matter whatever you say to. somebody, they physically can't stop. So.

as a younger woman, I thought this will. stop him. It smells like [ __ ] He ain't. going to drink that. >> And did he ever drink it or was Okay. I. mean, because Aussie is pretty crazy. He. >> threw up. He threw [laughter] up. If he. would bite a head off of, you know, a. dove, I I baby might not deter him, you. know. >> No. [laughter] Um it's, you know, by the. way, I did ask him why he did that cuz I. was with him at the time and he just.

goes, >> "You know what? They don't want me here. They don't like me." Did you see the way. they the Did you feel the atmosphere in. the room? I we were only in it for a. minute, but um that was his reaction. >> Do you feel like Azie was an empath? And. that's he he picked up on people's. energies and. >> Oh my god. He could sus somebody out. He. would come in this room and he would. look at everybody in here and he.

Absolutely. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> I could see it on him. the more like a. lot of the stuff I was watching last. night, I could see that he which is why. he was so like you're you are his person. and you know the kids and stuff like. that. I could see that he just took on. so many emotions and feelings of other. people. >> Yeah. And I mean he I mean absolutely. came from nothing. I mean no running. water, no toilet inside. They had to go.

outside into a shed and you know no they. used to wipe their bums on a newspaper. >> I mean they had nothing. They used to. get one bath a week and that was on a. Sunday and it was a big tin bath that. his mom would put in front of the. fireplace. >> and she'd fill it up with water from a. kettle. And Aussie was the um.

sixth one in it. >> Wow. >> The same water. >> Wow. >> And there were eight of them. So there. were two brothers later that got Aussy's. water. But it's like, >> can you imagine? And you know, he would go to school and. he didn't have a school uniform. >> and so he'd get sent home or they'd say, "You're dirty. You can't come to. school." So, he would get thrown out of. school and just wander around the. streets until it was time to go home. >> Where did all of his pain come from? Uh,

was it from his childhood? Did he have. an abusive home? >> He. wasn't so much abuse as it was people. who had nothing. Nothing factory workers. >> after the war. Um, England was very poor. then anyway. You know, there was never. enough food. There was six kids and mom. and dad in a two-bedroom house. >> So, Aussie would sleep with there were.

six kids in one bed with no blankets. They had coats on. They would sleep in a. coat. >> No blankets. >> And it's like people don't believe it. We we kind of grew up seeing movies. about these things and and we know that. in certain parts of the south in America. people were raised like that. >> Yes. >> And it was the same in England and you. know but um. he appreciated.

everything. The first time he ever went and bought. himself a gold watch, we went home and he said, "I can't keep. this. I have to take it back. I can't I. can't keep this.". >> He just didn't feel like he deserved it. >> No. And he just [clears throat] thought, "What a waste of, you know, what other things I could do with that. money. I I can't just have a watch. that's made out of gold. It's not for.

me." M. >> but I changed his mind. >> Yes. [laughter]. Behind every strong man is an even. stronger woman. >> Yeah. >> Can we kind of touch base on your guys's. razor blade romance? Because I know that. the tabloids and the headlines have had. such a field day with his infidelity. I'm going through it myself because my. husband had an affair for a year behind. my back and admitted it on a podcast and. it's I I don't hear the end of it. So I. could only imagine how you have felt.

through these decades with people always. asking about it. >> Yeah, it's I mean Aussie was a terrible. flirt, but it was his insecurity. He. hated to be on his own. >> And when I started to. >> do things on my own. and do work for myself, we were parted and he hated it. M. >> and he needed that.

ego boost constantly. And when it's. there, if there's a piece of cake here, I'm going to eat it. >> Right? >> I don't say I'm going to find out where. it's made and go to the factory, but I'm. going to eat it. And he would, you know, if there's some girl there said, I want. to suck it. And he'll go, "Sure, you. can.". >> Yeah. >> And then they turn up in the next town. And then in the next town then they. become a problem. They won't go away. And you know it and Aussie at one time.

had women all over the world. >> Mhm. >> Did you did you guys have kind of like. an ask don't ask don't tell policy in. your marriage when it came to him. touring cuz you just didn't want to know. about it. >> It didn't bother me because again I saw. it all over and over and over again with. so many musicians. I was, you know, my. father did it and my mother. every band that I ever worked with, it.

would go on. >> So, you know, I would see marriages. crumble because of their infidelities on. the road and, you know, the whole thing. And so, I was like, it means nothing. It's only when that person. windles their way in and then they. become a problem and then. >> it's emotional. >> Your partner gets frightened. >> If I don't see them, then they'll call.

her or they'll do this or they'll do. that or if I don't get her a gift or I. don't do this, I know she'll do this to. me. And so then it becomes like. >> an uneven trade. >> Yeah. And that's when it's like, no, no, no. I mean, we had terrible fights about. it. >> And. it's like. I I understand people's insecurities. >> I understand their their loneliness. And.

I understand that piece of cake there. It it didn't bother me until it got to. the point where he was going nuts with. it and then it was like, I I can't do. this. And believe me, the things that I. did to him, [snorts]. my response. >> was not cute. I mean, I I I feel bad. about the things I said to him and the.

things I did to him because he was doing. this to me. And so it's something that I bear on my. back. because when you love someone so much. and you have a life together and you can. be so mean to people who you love, >> you're you're you hurt the ones you uh. what is it? You hurt the ones you love. the most. >> Yeah. Yeah. And you know I I bear that.

I don't think that's something for you. to bear, though. I think Aussie. completely understands where understood. where that came from. You know, you're. you were a wonderful wife to him. >> He He knew. He knew. But, you know, it's. still something that's sucks. >> Can I give you a hug? >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> Oh, now I'm all sweaty. >> It's okay. Let me. >> You're an amazing woman. Amazing woman.

>> You're not so bad yourself. Thank you. If I could just be half the woman you. are, I um I actually had to answer this. question today. Uh when they were asking. me about the affair and I pretty much. said the same thing you did and it's. when you love somebody so much, you don't No, you're not saying it's. okay. You're not saying it's okay for. them to cheat on you, but you're also. saying like, "Hey, I'm willing to go. through hell with this person because I. choose to. Yeah, >> this isn't for you. this isn't your.

life. Because so many people on the. internet are like, "Oh, I would have. left him. You're a weak woman for. staying." And I'm just like, "Bro, you. don't live in that.". >> And you've never loved someone to a. point where you cannot live without. them. >> And it's um I get that a lot. And a lot. of women say that to me, "Thank you." to. this day. You were weak. Why didn't you. just walk away? How dare he do that? It's like. you're not in my shoes. You don't,

>> you know, it I was never the sort of. woman that had a million boyfriends and. was dating all the time. I I had a. vision in my life. I wanted to have a. career. >> Yes. >> I I guys, I would be like, "Nah, he's. all right." You know, [ __ ] move on. I. I'm It was never a thing in my life. I. felt secure on my own. Mhm. >> I didn't need to have a guy on my arm to. feel like I was somebody. I could walk.

into a room on my own, >> right? Yeah. >> And so I was not one of those women. And. then when you find someone that turns. your life upside down and you are like, "Oh god, this is it. This is what they. write about.". >> Yeah. >> And it changes everything. >> Everything. And only people who have. been through it and feel the way that we. feel can relate. Um, and it and it. doesn't matter what anybody else thinks. because look at the life you guys built.

together and the legacy that you guys. built together. Your lives are your. testimony of your love. >> It's it's like it's so easy to say you. should have left. >> Yeah. It's not. It's not. >> Did you ever want to get retaliation as. far as not physical, but did you ever. want to get back at him and go and date. somebody else? Cuz I'm sure you could. have had anybody you wanted to. [laughter]. >> No. >> Would Aussie have flipped out?

>> First of all, guys are afraid of me. [laughter]. >> Oh, I think it would be kind of a turnon. for some of the guys. >> No, not at all. I was never one of those. people. It was like I used to hang with. so many musicians and it would always be. my girlfriends would go, "Oh, you and I. was like e. >> it's and and two, a lot of women if they. don't work with a lot of men don't. understand that you have men friends.".

>> Yes. >> I've got men friends in this industry. I've had for 40, 50 years. >> Doesn't mean I'm. >> No, not at all. And so it's like now. [clears throat] I was never. like I say I I didn't need someone on my. arm to feel good, >> right? >> I was. bullshy and loud and it was like I'm all. right. >> Yeah. I love that. I love that you stood. firm and just loved that man until the.

end and did not ever want to get any. sort of um revenge on him. Can you take. me into the story about you guys in. Japan when you broke the. picture frame over his head because I'm. having a really hard time visualizing. this? >> Oh yeah. >> She said, "Oh yeah." [laughter]. >> Um we were in Japan and I was there with. Amy. She was all of, you know, three and. um Aussie gone out and whatever with the.

guys and, you know, I knew he would come. back legless and whatever, whatever. And. um I put the lock and the chain on the. door and. I kept hearing this click click. [clears throat] at the door and it was. about 4 or 5 in the morning. And so I go. to the door and I open it and there's. Aussie with this little. Japanese girl with hair, long, long hair. all the way down her back. And she.

looked at me and I looked at her and. Aussie looked at me and goes, "What are. you doing here?" I'm like, "What do you. mean? We've been in Japan already two. weeks." [laughter]. >> He was so faded. So. >> that he forgot that his wife was in the. hotel room. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so he's bringing. up this beautiful little thing with him. and I just went, "No, no." And there was. a mirror on beside the door and I just.

picked it up and went bash. And this. little girl ran down the hallway. >> She probably thought it was a setup at. this point. >> Oh god. [laughter] I don't even think. she could speak English to be truthful. with you. But and Aussie just went, "Oh, all right then." And he sat there with a. frame over him. [laughter]. >> And I said, "You can sleep out there. tonight, too.". >> Oh my goodness. And how long would an. argument like that last? Would.

>> Not long. >> What are you going to do? You'd spend. your life like being angry and No, it's. like, "Oh, you dumb thing.". >> Yeah. >> Two weeks we've been here and that's how. loaded you are. >> I love the understanding that you gave. him, though. You gave him so much grace. And I think. I think people don't realize how far. grace can go with somebody. It was I'd. always seen alcoholics and addicts in my.

life, but as a young woman, I didn't. understand what it was because I never. had a problem with it. I could stop. anytime I wanted and I was never a. druggie ever. I would drink and I was. the worst drinker in the world. >> Did you have a problem with alcohol? >> Uh, no. But I couldn't take a lot of it. So, if I'd had four drinks, the next. thing I'd get my tits out and I'm like, what am I doing? >> Let's get the alcohol going, baby. >> And [laughter] it's like, what am I.

doing? It's insane. I was such a weak. drinker. >> So, um, I didn't understand that it was. something that you physically cannot. stop. It's a demon that you just cannot. that you're gonna battle, >> you know. And then when you get into it. and you educate yourself about it and. all of these people that do this have a. huge hole, you know, inside that they. cannot fill. >> or they're hugely insecure.

>> They're carrying something from their. childhood and it's. people, [snorts] it's so easy to say. they're a drunk. Oh, they're an addict, you know. Yeah. and then just toss him. to the side and not. >> No, >> I think that's so beautiful though. Again, that goes back to the grace that. you've had for him. The last thing I. want to talk about as far as his. infidelity is a story that I, you know, read about his affair that he had with. the hairdresser. Yeah. >> And that was like your breaking point. And in my book, I talk about wanting to.

take my own life when I find find out. found out about my husband having the. year-long affair behind my back. And I. don't think any other woman who, unless. they've been through it, knows what. crushing pain that is to find out that. it's not just a sexual relationship. >> And I did when I when I found out. And. then um. >> my kids put me into treatment. >> and um I did. I mean it was just like.

>> what kind of treatment? Like just. >> I sent you to a No, I was sent away to a. um. >> a nut house. >> I shouldn't say nut house because they. helped immensely immensely. Um but I needed treatment, you know. I was I was mentally like. crushed. I was like, um,

you've been there. You know, it sucks. [laughter] No matter how long or how. short it was, it just sucks. >> I love you. >> I love you, too. >> And I am so proud of you. You are one of. the strongest woman that women that I. have ever sat across. And I know that. probably doesn't mean much to you right. now, but I hope one day that you just. know how beautiful of a woman you are. inside and out. You have raised so many.

of us, Sharon, and so many of us look up. to you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you for being the woman. that you are. >> You want one more hug? >> I'll give you I'll give you hug. >> We're going to hug it out and then let's. move on because I don't want to talk. about Nothing hurt you anymore. >> No, I mean it's like when you and then. when you realize like something so. serious as taking your life when you. have children, it's the most selfish.

thing in the world to do. And I didn't. realize that until I went into treatment. and I saw. girls whose mothers had done that to. them and they were in there for. treatment because they couldn't live. they couldn't face life. >> And then when you see. >> that it's like [ __ ] no. >> ain't the answer. Unfortunately, you. have so much. >> It's the easy way out. >> It is. You have so much to live for. And.

I know I have I literally held a bottle. of pills in my hand. And I know it was. God that night that you know that came. down to me and was just like, "No, what. are you doing? You have a testimony to. tell and that this is your testimony to. tell. You don't know how many people. that this podcast is going to reach that. are at that breaking point. How many. broken women are out there right now. that need to hear this from you, you. know? So, thank you for being so. vulnerable and so open. >> I'm a crier.

>> It's okay. I'm a crier, too. But I just. I'm trying to hold it together right now. cuz if I start crying, we're not. stopping. >> No. [laughter]. >> The floodgates open and it's like. freaking Hoover Dam over here. So, let's. talk about the decor that you had on the. Osborne show because my husband and I h. have liked to dub our So, here's the. thing. We get compared to you guys all. the time, which we could not even. compare to a fly on the wall and you. with you guys. >> That's not true. >> But we we get called the modernday.

Aussie and Sharon. And I mean, even down. to our house decor, you have inspired so. much cuz what we do is we we call it. country gothic because we mix it. together, but your house decor. >> literally just spawned a nation of. people decorating their houses like. that. Where did the style come from? >> I I got a a personal thing about moving. houses and decorating. If I hadn't have.

ended up in the industry, I would have. probably been a decorator. Wow. >> I love it. >> So, that was all you. >> Yeah. I love. >> Amazing. It wasn't like a set design. I. guess that was my question was is that. all you. >> That was that was that was our house. And um I just love decorating, >> mixing things together. And you know, and Aussie and I would always wherever. we were, we would go and bring something. back from whatever country we were. Like.

when we first went to um Russia, we. couldn't believe the artwork there and. the old icons that you could buy that. were carved on wood and and so wherever. we were in the world, we used to go and. bring something back for the house. >> I love that. I think we'll start doing. that, too. >> Yeah, you have to because it's all. memories. It's all memories, you know, and like now I I pick up saying, "Oh, well, we were in New Zealand when we got. that." And it just is.

>> it's, you know, it becomes such a a. memorable thing and it's it's a part of. your life. >> I'm going to start doing that. I love. that. You've accomplished so much in. your life and I remember I was glued to. charm school whenever you guys were. She's like, "I already know what's. coming. >> I'm waiting for it. Go on. I have to ask. because you know all the Tik Tockers. want to know the tea because that clip. goes viral at least once a month. >> Oh yeah. >> Um Charm School, an amazing show. I only.

watched for you. I was obsessed. >> I love Brett. >> Brett Michaels. Oh, is he really as. sweet in person as he seems? >> Oh my god, he's unbelievable. He's such. a great guy or sweetheart. Big heart. >> I love that. That's good to hear. I've. never got to meet him, but you know, I'm. sure. >> he's a good guy. I love that. So, there. was a scene where you guys were sitting. down and there was a girl, I believe her. name was Megan. >> Yeah. >> Who said some really obscene things.

about your husband and you got up and. you poured a drink on her and then you. swung. I actually pulled two hair extensions. out of her head. But um and the thing. for me is it's so hard because I know. TV. I've worked in it. I know it. And I. was set up and I fell for it. >> But it was because it was about Aussie. If she'd have said things about me, I.

was like, "Yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right. Yeah, come on. More." But. it was like, "How dare you?" and she was. having an off with the producer of the. show. And so. they set her up, they told her to do. this cuz they wanted my reaction. And the thing that. I would always do is I don't I love. women. I support women.

and I I hated doing that because she was. a young girl, but I'm like a baby who's. not my husband. >> I'm a girls girl also, but I do believe. that if you put yourself in a situation. to not deserve grace, you're going to. get it. We match energy. Yeah. >> Like there's a difference between being. a girls girl or just letting people run. all over you. And you can't do that. I. support women who actually deserve to be. supported. >> Yeah. And I'm I'm, you know, all for it.

And like a lot of the reality shows now. that are about women, I hate to see them. picking on each other. >> I hate to see it. It's like, no, support. them. And if you don't like them, why. are you doing the show? >> Yeah. >> You know, cuz you don't want to work. with people you don't like. So why would. you put yourself in that position? >> I've done it a million times. Walked. away from things cuz I don't like the. people. So you leave. >> Yeah. Not all money is good money and. not all not all publicity is good.

publicity. >> And saying that too, the um the charm. school was such a huge payday for me and. I'm like, "Fuck it. I'll do it. It'll be. fun." And um. the producer was very very bright and he. knew how to get me and it all came out. because she sued me. That was my next. question. >> Yeah, she sued me and it all came out in. depositions and and you know, so my.

insurance company gave us 65 grand to go. and that was it. But I fell for the I. fell for it. >> I feel like back then though, the. paparazzi, the reality TV shows, all. that stuff, women were not protected. Like it was a freaking heyday back then. And it the men really. took advantage and manipulated so much.

when it came to stuff like that. So, I. mean, >> and they still do. I mean, look, a load. of the reality shows, they ply you with. alcohol. >> They encourage you to drink. They, you. know, they want to get that. TV gold. They want to get that that, you. know, twominute clip of you beating the. out of somebody. And um they got it. I. delivered. >> One hell of a historical moment that.

doesn't go away. Sharon, >> I know. [laughter] I know. >> Do you ever see it go viral and you're. just like. >> click click click? >> It's like, oh, please. >> And that dum dum is probably twice. divorced by now. >> I don't know. She completely fell off. after charm. I know nothing about her. anymore. Yeah. >> [sighs]. >> Where do you I I don't even know how to. ask this question cuz we've had so many. tears. So, I just want to kind of be. very gentle with you. Is now.

and what's happened recently with Azy's. passing. I know that was probably one of. the hardest was the hardest thing that. you've ever had to go through was. watching the love of your life pass. How. are you picking yourself back up? >> Um, I'm getting there. I am. I'm getting. there. >> It's hard. >> I couldn't imagine.

>> Jesus, it's hard, but I'm getting there. Um, you know, I'm going to keep working and. I'm going to keep doing what I do in my. life and um that's it. >> Did he know? Did you guys know that he. was going to be passing whenever you. guys did his last show? Is that why that. show was done? >> Yeah. >> So, you guys did have a warning and you. knew that. >> Yeah. Um, two weeks before the show, they said he.

could probably die and he did. But he wanted to do it so bad. He needed. it, you know. And it's like whether. [snorts] I die in two weeks or I die in. six months, I'm still dying. and I want to go my way. And he did. >> You know, he went like a rock star. >> He did. He did go like a rock star. >> My heart my my husband and I's heart. broke when we heard the news. And I.

mean, there's nothing that any of us can. say to you and your family. It's um it's. kind of bittersweet because. again, you know, we knew Aussie had. sepsis earlier on last year. >> Oh my gosh. >> And very few people. ever walk away from that without losing. a limb or their life. >> My manager had sepsis and she lived. Isn't that crazy? >> Oh my god. >> I mean, God bless her because.

>> No, it was a a a fight, a battle. It's a. nightmare. >> And as soon as he got sepsis, the kids. and I, we know it was time. And um then when we. went to England, he went into hospital. for a week. And when he came out, they. said, you know, Ozie, this could kill. you. And he said, I'm doing my show.

And it was I mean he went out like a. king. >> and you stood by him and just made sure. that everything he wanted on the way out. was. >> I mean the thing is when you've lived. your life that way. and. it was like okay 6 months more. to.

to go out the way I want to go out. It's like saying, you know, when you. when you get really old and somebody's. still smoking and they're like 78 years. of age and you're like, just let them. smoke. Leave them alone. Just let them. they're 78. Leave them alone, you know? And it's like he he went the way he. wanted to go. He knew. He knew. >> when he was in his last hours as his.

wife, what are you feeling? How are you. getting through this? Like I just I. couldn't imagine. >> It was so quick. And thank God. that um. and I knew when they were trying to. revive him, I knew. I'm like, "Don't. don't do it. Leave him. He was done.

>> I'm so sorry.". >> But again, you know, he went out like a. rock star. >> He did. >> Oh, did he ever. >> But he's not the only rockstar in this. relationship. >> No, >> you are. >> I'm just I'm just a loud mouth. Um. he he was a king. >> He was a king and he was your king. >> And he loved people. He loved his. audience. He loved them so much.

And even if you didn't like his music, you couldn't dislike him. You know, >> he was one of those guys like your old. man. >> My husband loves him so much and I see. so many similarities in those two. >> Oh god. [laughter] I know. I know. I. know. >> I've I've I've watched him speak and I'm. like, "Oh, God." I know. >> I know what he's going through. >> And guess what? He married a loud mouth, too. [laughter].

[gasps]. >> I am so protective of my family and just. exactly how. >> Oh, yeah. It's like you can say anything. about me. >> Same. There was this band um. >> this Irish band that are very very. horribly political and I I don't like. that when people bring it into festivals. or music. People pay to be entertained, not lectured. >> Yes, music is an escape. >> My god, is it ever.

>> because it's creating more chaos in the. world. >> It's not good. It's not healthy. Rage. Against the Machine was the perfect. example of how to mix politics with. music. >> And do you know what? Tom Mel is such a brilliant musician. >> And an even better human being. I adore. him. >> and he and I politically, you couldn't. be further apart,

>> but we never speak about it because I. have so much respect for him. And. >> that's by that's his thing. It's not my. thing. It's his thing. And it's like. when you get people now in this industry. that will destroy relationships over. what you believe politically, it's like. are you nuts? >> It's like, hey, everybody's entitled to. their thing, but you're not entitled to.

people who buy a ticket to preach to. them because they've not gone there to. hear your political views. >> Amen. I truly believe in that. >> And it's like you just don't do it. So. anyway, this group then went to their. next festival and [snorts] on the screen. it was so fabulous. They had um Sharon. Osborne is a [ __ ] [laughter]. So I wrote to them and I said, "You've. missed two words out, guys. Sharon Osborne.

is an old dry cunt." [laughter]. >> And it's like, you can say anything. about me. What what what is it going to. do to me right that this. >> you're like. >> this insignificant who are are probably. Category at best musically. >> What band does this m Oh, they're called. Ncap. >> Okay, great. >> Really. >> never heard of them. >> Uhhuh. And um it's like you can't you.

can't hurt me. Why would you come onto. the scene like that with such a chip on. your shoulder against one of the women. against a woman who literally is rock. and roll? >> It's um. because they're ignorant. >> It's entitlement. >> But it's they're ignorant. >> Yeah, >> they're ignorant. Firstly, they have no. idea who I am. They're, you know, from. Ireland, IRA,

you know, all of this. God bless him. If. that's what you're into, hey, don't do. anything to me. >> Go do it. God bless you. But they're. ignorant and they don't know who I am. They know nothing about me, obviously. And it's like, you can't humiliate me. You say something about my husband, I'll. kill you. >> You'll pull some two hair extensions. out. >> Oh, yeah. [laughter]. >> You can't do that. >> I [snorts] feel like the world needs so.

much of your wisdom. Would would you. consider doing reality TV again? Would. you consider doing a show of some sort. where it's just you? I would do. because I'm so old. I've lived such a. life and met so many extraordinarily. different people in my life and. I'm, you know,

a lot goes in there and I I like to. judge everybody as an individual and. whatever your beliefs are, the way you. want to go about them is your business. But when it comes in to affect millions. of other young people that that love you. and they want to listen to you and. they'll say what you say, let them do. their own thing. Let them find their own. path politically, but they're here to.

listen to your C category music and. that's it. Give it to them. >> But that's why I'm saying the world. needs your wisdom. >> But I would I would do something. political. >> would you? >> Yeah, because I'm kind of at. >> president. >> I'm at the stage of my life where I've. seen it all. I know right from wrong. >> Yes, >> I know. I've seen it all. >> And you have a a just moral compass like.

you. >> I do. And I I know how I [ __ ] up. >> I don't hide the things I've done. And. it's like I've learned because unless. you learn why are we here, we're never. going to go to the next place if we. don't learn. >> Right. >> You come right back here and do it all. over again. And believe me, I've. learned. And um. there are too many young people.

spouting out that don't have life. experience. >> They don't have it. And I do. >> Would you run for something out here in. California or would you do it in your. homeland? >> I would have to do it in my homeland. And I've really really seriously thought. about it. >> Please do it. Please do it. I feel like. it will, not that you don't have enough. purpose, but I feel like it will be so. cathartic for you and also give you a.

new purpose, like something to look. forward to. I like to I'm I like to help. people. >> and when you can see situations from. both sides and you go, "Hey, come on. There's compromise." And that's the. thing that there's so little of there's. no compromise. >> Can you do it out here in the US? Cuz we. need it. We need that. Please. [laughter]. >> Um. I'm scared to say my political beliefs. here cuz I'll get shot.

>> No, you don't have to. It's um it's um. No, it believe me it's bad in England. You can get arrested in England if you. do something political or against the. government and you say it online, they'll come and arrest you. >> Wow. >> They put a pregnant woman in in prison. for months because of of what she put on. her um social media. >> because she had an opinion. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> I don't believe me. bad everywhere.

>> Wow, that's insane. >> Sharon, thank you so much. >> Will you vote for me? >> I Are you kidding me? Can I be like I. want to be your first lady? >> Can I be your first lady, please? >> Wouldn't that be [laughter] fabulous? Oh. my god, I just want an excuse to dress. up and look cute and just stand there. and be like, "What she said? What she. said? I'll just be behind you clapping. all the time." [laughter]. >> Thank you so much for coming on the. podcast. I love you. I love you. I love.

you. You are a beautiful soul. >> I feel like I've got a new best friend. >> We are besties for the resty baby. I. can't wait to hang out this weekend at. Clive's. We're going to have so much. fun. I can't wait. And anytime when you. want to come back and announce your. presidential race, please come back and. have a seat on my couch. I will have you. anytime. And if you ever just need a. friend, yeah, you will always have one. in me and my husband. >> Bless you. >> Thank you so much. Miss Sharon Osborne.

Everybody, thank you guys for tuning in. to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I. will see you guys next week. Bye. >> You ain't no dumb. >> Stop that [ __ ]. [music].