Pastor Kim | Dumb Blonde Podcast

Is this thing on? What's up, babies? Welcome to another episode of Dumb. Blonde. Today I have a woman who is so. inspiring, so beautiful inside and out, so tenacious. Your story is just. fascinating. the more that I have gotten. to be able to just deep dive into it. And I'm so excited that you are sitting.

here on my couch, Miss Kimberly Jones. Baby, >> I'm so honored to be here. >> I was just telling you a second ago that. you are my first pastor. >> I am shook. >> I have had psychics on here. I have had. I'm talking like every I have had health. nuts. I have had everybody, but I have. never sat down with a woman of the word. >> What made you want to do that? you know, so I when I first started this podcast, my two top people that I wanted on my.

podcast was um Dolly Parton and Joyce. Meyers. I am a huge Joyce Myers fanatic. Crazy, right? Everybody think Well, so I. grew up in a really strict southern. Pentec uh Pentecostal home. I went to uh. Christian school. I went to Bible camps. I I mean, like, it's crazy with my. background that I came from, but long. story short, my father was a rocker. Mom. was a stripper. Mom left me at 3 months. Dad, Mary married married, cheated on.

the mom, my stepmom, and then had to. like, you know, get into religion to. prove that he was going to be able to. make it in the marriage or whatever. And. then we became like a cult. So, it was. crazy. So, I say all that to say that I. when I wanted Joyce Meyers on, um, she's. the only woman pastor that I would ever. listen to because I'm always so scared. of who you invite into your life. And in. the past year, I started listening to. you because I did see one of your. realels on um I think it was either.

Facebook or Instagram and I was like, who is this woman? Because she talks. just like me. She's sassy and she has so. much fire, which is like I love Joyce, but she's, you know, for the older. generation. She's very modest, you know. And I was like, I love this cuz this. woman speaks my language. And then I. just started diving into you and I was. like, I need this woman on the podcast. >> Oh my gosh, Bunny. I'm so excited to. have you. >> That does so much to my heart. >> A. >> because, you know, being a woman pastor, it's. >> I I I I get a lot of flack from even the.

church world, you know, because I'm in. their face and, you know, but I'm I'm. I'm not judgmental and they want me to. be judgmental. >> They want me to send people to hell and. just. >> and because I don't to hear that God has. allowed me to. >> be used and it is. I mean, I'm I I this. this is the greatest honor ever for me. This is exactly what I want. >> I don't want to be in a church doing. that stuff. I want to be right here. >> Yeah. No. And I love that. And I love. that you are so non-judg judgmental.

because I base my entire platform on not. judging anybody. And I have been. persecuted. >> Yes. >> You know, cuz I want to I just want to. show everybody in the world that no. matter how terrible of a human you might. be to the world, you're still you still. deserve love. And that's what you. preach, too. >> Well, and Bunny, you look at God. I. mean, you know, I guess because I was. raised just like you and that's so. funny. >> Oh, we're gonna talk about it. >> We're gonna talk about it. Yeah. >> We have a lot of sim similarities. Even.

down to the three marriages, girl. I. didn't even bat an eyelash when I heard. that about you. >> I was like, "Oh, this is my girl.". >> And the church will ask me, they were. like, "Why do you talk about that? Why. do you tell that?" I'm like, "Why. wouldn't I?". >> Yeah. It's part of your story. >> Why waste my hell? >> What's tea for them is testimony for you. always. Well, I was I was What was I. telling you? You uh we were talking. I. don't even know. I'm just so excited to. have you here. We have started this off. great. >> I love this so much. >> So, okay. The one thing that everybody. zeros in on you is your marriages. And I.

don't want to do that with you because. and of course we are going to talk about. them because it is part of your life, but I truly believe that people are. influenced as children to make the. decisions that they make as an adult. And anytime I hear an interview with you. or I hear you talk about your your. childhood, you kind of gloss over it and. don't really talk in depth about it. I. might have missed it somewhere, but I. don't really get to hear the the like. the meat and potatoes of what made you. the woman you are that did make these.

mistakes and that you know that you've. now learned from. >> So you talked about your mom um and your. dad being super religious. Can we start. there and like take me on that journey? So, I remember when I was um I mean. right when I had right when my mom had. me, we were in Jacksonville, North. Carolina, we were preaching a revival. My dad was like this fire preacher. He. would like jump out of balconies and. roll and walk on seats and pews and but.

he was so so so strict. And I just. remember even as a little girl, I know. that God knew that at about 43, I was going to hit rock bottom and find. out who the rock is at the bottom. Now, I hit rock bottom a whole bunch. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But he knew that I'm going to let her go. through all of these things because when. she does, she's going to be a fireball. And we just always I always felt like. women were like my mom was a wallflower,

>> you know, like she looked like she was. 90 years old. She me and my brother. would try to get her to drop us off. three miles down the road from our. school because she'd have an oatmeal box. with her hair on top of her head cuz her. hair was down to the floor. Yeah. >> And my dad looks like he stepped out of. GQ. >> Yeah. I've heard you say that. And I've. also heard you say that your mom was so. subservient that it used to make you. angry. Gosh, >> why do you think it was that it made you. angry that she was so subservient? Because you do have some of those. qualities. Like I see how you wait on.

Angelo. >> Oh honey, >> I never knew I could do this. >> A and we're going to get there. We're. going to get there. I mean, he's a. handsome guy. >> He's got swag. You guys are a. good-looking couple. >> We're going to bring Angelo in later. But you I see with Angelo that you have. no problem being subservient to him. So. do you think that your mom felt that way. about your dad and can you understand it. more now? >> Absolutely. I think I was mad. >> You know I think I was because all the. way back into you I mean I was United.

Pentecostal and the reason I kind of. gloss over it a lot is because all my. family's still in it, >> right? So, >> but I think it's very good to talk about. it because I grew up southern. Pentecostal and it was pretty much. >> Yeah. >> And this is not me in any way putting. anybody down who is in the religion. currently, but what I experienced from. that religion was a I left it with so. much religious trauma. And I'm talking. like I had panic attacks my entire life.

and anxiety disorder because I was. worried if I did the wrong thing that I. was going to go to hell. >> He was a mean god, wasn't he? >> It's terrible. And I mean. >> scared me to death. >> Yeah. And I just don't think that that's. right that they do that. So I think if. you did speak on it, I think that that's. okay because look at where you are now. >> Now I do I do speak on it but and when I. do I get dragged. The church world comes. after me. >> They're so mean. We actually have gone. through it with the church people. >> I have to pray over myself often because.

I pastor a phenomenal church in Atlanta. >> Limitless Church is an incredible church. and I love God with all my heart, but I. don't like his people a lot of times. >> And so I just have to pray. I I'll call. my mom and say, "Mom, you got to pray. for me cuz I want to I want to. >> I want to The hood part of me wants to. come out. >> You know, I'm holy, but I'm hood, too.". that ratchet holy enough to pray for. you, good enough to swing on you, baby. >> And so I think what it is is I think. that me being raised I remember going to.

church. I remember how religious those. people were. I remember how less than. women were. >> I remember watching my mother literally. everything that ever she ever did was. for me and my brother and my dad. It was. like us four and no more. Mhm. >> And I got angry because I saw my mom. literally my dad would be sitting right. here and my dad would just put his glass. down on the table and she'd get up and. go run and get his water and I'd be. like, "Dude, get you got two hands and.

two feet." He would never do that. >> Okay. >> I think that's the difference is that. >> he he doesn't expect it and that's why. you love to do it because it's not an. expectation. >> Yeah. No, I respect that cuz I'm the. same way with my husband and I get. dragged all the time because you. actually said something one time. You. said an alpha woman loves to be. submissive for her her husband and I. said the same thing. Do you guys. remember that? And I got dragged. I. stood 10 toes down, baby. I was like I. was like I don't care if.

>> even if I'm wrong, I'm still going to. stand 10 toes down. >> Same that I was not I was going to stand. 10 toes down on it because I when a man. makes you feel safe, >> you want to love them. >> and and you're just so thankful. thankful and you're just like, "Thank. you, Jesus. Where did you come from?". You know, >> and you know what? They love you so. well. Yeah. >> And I didn't really see that. Now, I'm. not knocking my daddy at all. Like I My. daddy I was his girl. >> Yeah. >> But about 25 years into their marriage, he had an affair. >> And I remember it just broke my heart.

But but let me go back to seven. Seven. years old, I remember sitting we had. church every night for starters. And um. all the all the ushers would just spank. me cuz I was always bad. Like if you're. if. >> not the usher spanking you and I was mad. about that. Why are you going to let I. probably shouldn't say his name. Why you. >> believe that Jason? >> Why are you going to let him take me out. and spake me? But I was just a mad. child. >> It was a different time in life, too. >> Yes. It was just that that religion. But.

I remember at 7 years old, we were in. church and I had a lot of trauma. There. I was already a lot of trauma because I. remember coming around the corner in our. house and we couldn't we couldn't wear. pants. We couldn't wear makeup. We. couldn't go to the raetball club. We. couldn't go to anywhere. It was. literally like walking through Sears. My. mom would put her hand up like this over. my eyes when we walked through the TV. section cuz that oneeyed demon is going. to get you. And I remember I would.

always test that like I'd say I'm going. to the bathroom and I'd go sit in front. of the TV to see if the demon was going. to come out. So, I was always testing. those waters, you know, >> and I remember at 7 years old, I was. laying down under one of the seats like. this at our church. >> and I was looking up at my dad and I was. watching the choir and my mom was up. there just leading the worship choir and. all these people were just standing. there like this and I remember thinking, "Oh my gosh, they are miserable. They. look like they're about to cut their.

wrist. >> We're singing about Jesus. This whole. church is miserable looking. And if this. is what heaven looks like and God's so. mean, like every time we walk in the. prayer room, my mother immediately. starts rocking back and forth. And. within two seconds, she's balling. >> Just nose, snotting. And I remember. thinking, "God, you are so mean that my. mom even has to cry to get your. attention.". >> Oh my god. >> At seven years old when it shift. >> goosebumps. seven years old, something.

shifted in me and it was like I just. became angry. I don't care if I go to. hell. >> I don't care uh if if church people. don't like me. You can't do that, Kim, and I'm going to go do exactly what you. told me I couldn't do. And so it was. almost like the enemy had an assignment, you know, which he does a lot of times, and he'll use people. >> And I just think I had wounds. I had a. lot of wounds. I would I remember coming. home one day and my mother uh sitting on. in the kitchen and my dad had was trying.

to calm her down and she was just. screaming and me and my brother are. sitting on the stairs and she's. screaming I can't do this anymore and. the church deacons had come over and let. them have it because we went to the. South Lake Raetball Club. >> cuz you what? >> Cuz we went to the Raetball Club. >> Oh my gosh. And so it was just anger. Like my mom was having a nervous. breakdown over these church people. And. so I think it was just layer after layer. after layer after layer. And then it it.

was just a a place of whatever I want to. do, I'm going to do it because I don't. want to look like that. And if he going. to heaven means I got to go with them, the most judgmental, angry, hateful, hypocritical people, >> then I don't want to. I don't even care. if I don't go. Take me to hell. >> I couldn't I relate to everything you're. saying so much because I completely went. through the same thing, too. I had to. wear I wasn't allowed to wear makeup, hairspray, couldn't curl my hair. I had.

to wear dresses down to my ankles. My. mom used to sew my damn clothes and I. was in high school. It's all in my book. when it comes out. Like it's crazy. And. but my dad would be. >> hitting women up online to have. threesomes. I would catch my dad. watching porn, you know, like and I. would just be like, this is so this is. such a mind. >> as a child to. be, you know, have to sit there and. cross your, you know, cross your tees. and dot your eyes and be holier than.

thou, but then when you go home, everybody's masks fall off. Yeah. >> And I would see the same thing going on. with everybody in the church. It used to. make me so mad that I got to the same. point as you and I was just like, you. know what, God, I don't want to go to. heaven. It's too hard. It's not. attainable. There's no way that you can. get there. >> And it seems seems boring. It seems, >> you know, why would I want to go sit. with a whole bunch of I don't do that in. my own life. Like, >> right. >> Why would I want to go? I totally get. you. >> As a teenager, how did all this.

religious trauma affect you? Did it did. it ever steer you into drugs and alcohol. or did you start experimenting with. things like that as you started. >> so my 18th birthday I was dating a boy. that so back in those days the church. had uh missionaries. >> and so the missionaries we sponsored my. daddy's church sponsored they had a son. >> and they lived in Taki Mexico. >> and all I could think about was oh my. gosh I'm gonna get away from my parents.

>> and I'm going to become I'm a missionary. in Topek Narit, Mexico and I'm going to. because women that's what we did. We. didn't go to college you know you had. babies you got married I mean it's just. the way we were raised. >> and. >> it's also that generation too like the. women just never had any aspirations to. do anything else but be moms which. there's nothing wrong with that it's. just not what we love you. >> shout out to all the moms but we it just. wasn't in what we wanted. >> Yeah. And so at 18 years old, I remember. I graduated. And then I dated this boy.

for three years. And we were just church. kids. And then all of a sudden, I marry. him. We had this big old wedding. And my. mom says, "Your wedding lasted longer. than your marriage.". >> Because when I got married, I wasn't. thinking, >> right? >> I wasn't thinking, "Oh my gosh, like I'm. going to go to Topek, Mexico.". >> Like that's 18 hours after the border. I. am I am the girl that in six at 16 years. old I was my daddy and mom gave me my.

brother's little hooptie and said here. baby girl this is your car I was like I. ain't driving that and I went to Riches. and worked for Estee Lauder and bought. me a BMW like I I was high maintenance. but I could handle my high maintenance. you did the maintaining. >> Yes girl I was always like selling. suckers or something. I was an. entrepreneur. I always tell everybody I. could sell I could sell freaking ice to. an Eskimo. Like literally that's exactly. >> I was selling suckers from Shies at 7. years old. We'd go eat after church on.

Sundays and I fill my little satin bag. and go to school and sell them and make. bank. >> A. I love that. I just stole from the. offering plates. I talked about it on. one of the shows one time. Remember I. talked about it? I took you guys by the. church that I stole from. You did? >> Yeah. And I apologize to G I apologize. to Jesus and I apologize to the church. publicly for doing it. Okay. But I love. that. >> No, but it just I feel like when you are. so religiously oppressed, especially as. a child, it creates so much religious um.

trauma and rebellion, you know. Um. before you got married though, like take. me through your teenage years because. you always gloss over that. >> What? >> Because I wasn't really bad. >> You It's okay. >> Like I was listen to me. I was bad in I. didn't trust nobody. I didn't let. anybody get close to me. It was I didn't. have friends. Like it was like I really. did have friends. I had a lot of. friends. But I was I was always the DDA, the designated driver. >> A. >> And I remember at 14 years old, we were. I was the DDA for all the I was on the.

flag core. >> Mhm. >> And um all the Flag Girl girls and us. went out. We'd go out to Subway. It was. a South Way. It was a place we'd all. hang out. And so they would always let. me drive their cars because their cars. were hoopties. >> Yeah. >> And I had no shame. And so at 14 years. old, I need to tell more of these. stories because these are funny. At 14. years old, um, we were backing up and I. was I had no business driving. >> Like, why are you letting me drive your. car? >> Yeah.

>> And I'm backing up and it was we like. the cars. The cars that go boom. We're. ta and buddy and I just hit that gas and. it I thought it was in drive but it was. in reverse and I just nailed a a. uh like uh a brick post box. >> Oh no. >> And it was like $3,000 worth of damage. >> Oh no. >> And so I don't talk about that a lot. because it I remember it like ruined all. my friendship that year. >> Oh no. >> But I really didn't do anything bad. I.

was too busy getting married and you. know going to Bible school. Being. married at 18 is young, too. Like, you're still a baby. >> But you got to remember, we didn't come. out of United Pentecostal until I was. like 16. >> Right. Right. Right. >> So, I was sheltered, >> right? >> So, I was scared to death to drink. Even. Crimes, my brother, >> I was the complete opposite. I was like, "Oh, I was old E was my first I got. drunk off an oldie in a drained out. pool." Okay. I was Listen, let me tell.

you, wait till this book comes out. Um, the first time I ever got drunk, old E, Boon Farm, ditching, like you tell I you. Mad Dog 2020, you name it. I. >> No, my brother did everything. >> Oh, so cuz your brother went the way. that I went. >> Oh, honey. Everybody in He did everybody. in the church. All the youth. I mean, we. And all our youth were bad, too. >> Yeah. >> Like I was scared to death of God. >> Yeah. >> I was bad, but I was scared to death of. God as far as like sin, >> right? Um, and I remember our youth.

would go get drunk and the all the the. whole youth group would be strung out. drunk at a house. >> and I would be making sure everybody was. okay. >> Yeah. >> My brother. >> I love that about you though. That shows. that you have such a nurturing spirit. >> For everybody to say I don't. >> I really do. They say that. >> Well, I mean they think I'm rough. >> Oh, I don't gather that from you at all. I say no. >> I don't think I'm think I'm gentle and. kind and loving. Oh, I think that you. well, you're about it when you need to. be, but I also think that you know when. it's time to be soft. Like we can when.

you're like that, when a woman has those. two qualities, you know when to turn it. on and turn it off. >> And I don't see you being. >> I just fight hard for people. I think. >> you fight. You're a lover. So you That's. how I am with my whole crew. Like you. have to. >> you're the protector. You protect. everybody. >> Well, that's what I did. I'd protect all. of them. Mhm. >> And uh. >> I don't none of them go to church. anymore. >> A. >> like literally. >> do you have do you you keep in contact. with anyone? I do like I'm I'm like we.

had a tight tight youth group. >> and there's maybe one out of. >> 65 kids. >> a. >> because my dad was so hard. >> just that goes into religious trauma and. like we're not here to bash people that. are you know practicing and are. religious but I always say that I'm not. religious I'm spiritual. I think there's. a huge difference and I think there's. like a very great divide of when you're. being religious, you're literally just. cramming stuff down people's throats and.

it's this way or no way and you know. you're going to go to hell and there's, you know, no other option. But when. you're spiritual, you love people and. you try to show them. >> like Jesus. >> Yes. Exactly. >> I mean, Jesus leaves all these amazing. people and goes to that well. >> Mhm. M where that lady is sitting there. at the hottest part of the day and it's. burning up hot and she's there when. nobody else is there because all the. Pharisees and Christians are judging her. because she's been married five times.

>> and living with a man that wasn't her. husband. And that's how I look at. >> my life and people. I'm like, man, if. God can do that, then why am I going to. sit and. >> be hateful to people and write people. off because of their sins? >> Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. So. you get married at 18 and then you guys. are only together for a little bit of. time. For a year and then you guys get a. degree. >> I was in Topek and I had to get my. parents there to get me. >> so I could get home. >> Don't you hate that when you have to.

call the parents and you're like, "Okay, here we go.". >> My dad and I I promise you I'd never I. never drank. >> I never. >> I really love that about you. >> Like I I was scared to death to do those. things, but I was not scared to get. married. I was I was always scared to do. the things that in secret, you know, like people see your deeds but God sees. your heart. >> Yeah. >> But when it came to like big things like. marriage. >> Yeah. >> Let's go. >> Well, because you're a lover. That's. >> I would just jump. I wouldn't even. think. >> Yeah. You're like, who cares how many.

time you you how many times you've been. married? Like I mean I would just My mom. would go, "Kimberly, what if what if. this isn't the right thing?" Well, we'll. just figure it out. We'll just figure. That's how I always looked at it. I've. been married three times. My husband is. my third husband. And I always say third. three times the charms, but you know. what? I I used to joke around and be. like, I'm going to be like Elizabeth. Taylor. My dad was married seven times, so I didn't have a very good example of, you know, what marriage is, but um. getting out. >> So that was like a generational curse. >> probably. And I'm hoping that I have.

broke it on the third marriage. >> My father's dad like that, >> was he? >> Yes. >> That's how my my husband my husband's. dad was the same way. He'd been married. multiple times. So, I think it was just. maybe just a generational thing. >> Buddy, you know how many people in this. world been married three and four times. if I won't talk about it? >> Oh, for sure. But why wouldn't you? You. know, like it's part of your story. So, >> I mean, girl, there are like even when I. put those clips up of me being honest,

the people that reach out to me and say, "Man, you you you've given me hope." And. they'll just start going underneath 10. times, eight times, seven times. I'm. like, "Whoa." There's always there's. always haters. I mean, I posted my mug. shots the other day and there's people. like, "God, you your whole entire face. has changed." And I'm like, "Thank God.". >> I love that photo. >> Thank God. Thank you so much. So, getting divorced at 18, how did you. feel? Were you sad about it or were you. just like on to the next or did you did. it not register because you are so. >> I was sad, you know, because I was sad. because I remember my parents came and.

got me out of Topi basically. They. brought a youth group. We built a church. while they were there and then I slipped. in that van and left with him. >> and he the my husband moved back with us. and he stayed in the states with that. with me for about a year and there's no. way we could survive, >> right? >> You know, he was a baby, I was a baby. I. didn't know how to cook. Uh I was a. diva. He was a diva. No. >> And and it was. >> You can't have two divas in a. relationship. That never works. >> And he was a mama's boy,

>> which is We love mama's boys. Do we? Yeah. I mean, I don't come for us. I'm. just kidding. >> Don't come for us. Mama's boys. >> No. Cut the umbilical cord, though. >> Especially if you're in a marriage. You. have You cannot be a mama's boy in a. marriage. >> But it is important. They love their. mama, >> of course. Respect and respect their mom. for sure. >> So, I got back to the States and right. when I got back to the States, my mom. and dad sent me to Bible school. M. >> they were like, "Girl, we've got a. pastor that's going to scare the hell.

out of you." And I'm like, "What? This. pastor's going to really get you. He's. going to he's going to bring you to the. feet of Jesus. You have walked through. divorce. You're you're you need. healing." Yeah, I did. I needed healing. But they found Pastor Rod Parsley. >> I've never heard of him until I started. looking last night. Please, for those. who don't know who he is at home, can. you give us a little So, I love Pastor. Rob Parsley because man, I've known him. my whole life.

>> Um, he is one of the truest men. >> Loved his wife, loved his children. >> Uh, what you saw is what you got. Now, he he can be a little hard. You know, him and his mama both. That's why my. mama sent me there. My mom and daddy. sent me there was because they they were. scary, right? I'd hear him walking down. the hall and I'd be hiding, you know, cuz I knew that they, you know, it was. you're going to you're going to live. right. You're going to there's an. anointing on your life. And as soon as I.

got there, >> I they grabbed me up. I I for some. reason audition for the choir. >> and cuz that's one thing about United. Pentecost people, we can sing. >> Yeah. >> You know, we can't go to the movies. So, we just sit around and sing. That's what. we do. >> And so, I tried out for the choir. And. so from there, I started traveling with. Pastor Rod. And so it made him get to. really know me. >> Before that, did you want to be a pastor. or was this kind of like. >> women can't pastor?

>> So this was like your parents just kind. of forcing you into. >> They were forcing me to Bible school. because if I go to Bible school, I can. be a worship leader. >> Oh, gotcha. >> I can be a children's worker. I can be. on the prayer team. >> Gotcha. Gotcha. >> But women can't pastor. I was raised. women cannot be pastors. Right. >> And um so I go and I start singing with. him on the road. >> and he was just always like, "Kim, there's an anointing on your life. Anybody I would try to date, he'd be. like, "Oh, no, no, no. You can't date. Can't date. You can't date." I was there.

for a year, maybe two years, and I saw. the piano boy. >> And I was like, "Oh, I'm going to marry. me a preacher. He's a piano floor boy. He is anointed. I will very and I remember being in. Israel. >> singing on the Sea of Galilee. >> taping the Easter special for Pastor. Rod. Pastor Rod has World Harvest Church. >> in um in Ohio. >> He gets a lot of slack too because he's.

>> Yeah. >> He's in your face. But. >> um we were headed back from Israel and. >> I mean that's kind of romantic singing, you know, in Israel. the ambiance. It's. kind of like set the mood for you to. like get married, you know? >> I remember I was singing I know the. peace speaker. I know him by name. I. know the and it was talking about when. he says peace be still. >> all earth. And I'm up there just. singing, worshiping. And I remember I.

was like living like the devil going to. Bible school. And I remember feeling so. convicted out there on the Sea of. Galilee. Like you out here singing about. the peace speaker and you don't even. know the peace speaker. >> No. >> Like you're out here singing on the. where Jesus was and you're over here. So. God's always been dealing with me like. that, buddy. >> Like I had to finally give in, >> right? >> Because he was always. >> after me. So, what I did was on the way. home from Israel, Pastor Rod said, "I.

see you looking at that piano boy, and. when we get home, you're going to move in with Mama. Parsley." That was his mama. >> And she was so. scary. >> Not Mama Parsley. And. >> I was like, I'm not moving in with this. woman. All I could think about was he's making. me move in with Mama Parsley cuz he. said, "Girl, you make horrible. decisions." Do you feel like he was very. protective over you? >> Very protective of me. And I'm just so. thankful. You know, he saw an anointing.

on my life, which I'm like this with so. many people now. >> because I know that if I would have just. listened. >> So I get home and at 3:00 in the. morning, I packed my little Yugo and I. moved to Atlanta cuz I knew this man was. going to make me move in with his mother. >> on Monday. >> And I left and that little piano boy. followed me. >> So you didn't say bye or anything. You. just up and left. Next morning, all the. Bible kids students are are sending. letter uh sending texts with the script.

up on the screen. Kim Jones to the to. the executive wing. That was the. pastor's reading. >> Oh no. >> Oh, Kim Jones. I was like, I ain't. there. >> I never spoke to him again for 25 years. >> A Was his heart broken that you left? >> I'm I'm bet he was just shaking his head. like ruin her life. >> When you finally did get to speak to him. again, how did that go, >> girl? It was It was 42 cuz I didn't. preach my first sermon till I was 42. >> 42. Okay. >> Cuz I was married to Piano Boy for 18.

years. >> Yeah. We're going to get into that. marriage, too. >> So, I met him. So, listen. I got back. in. I really fell in love with Jesus at. 42. and found God for me. I was at the. darkest. We'll hear about that. >> And about three years in, uh, Pastor Rod's ministry reached out to. me. Now, when I was at Bible school, the. greatest week was Dominion Camp Meeting. because we would sing and the curtains,

the velvet curtains would go up and it. was just like 10,000 people and ta, you. know, it's like ministry. >> Yeah. >> And. all of a sudden, he says, "We would like. to invite Real Talk Kim. back to preach at Dominion Camp. meeting.". >> How'd that make you feel? Oh, I thought. Ashton Coocher was going to be there. Like, oh, look at all this plane and. Ashton Coocher's going to be there. Like, >> punking me. I was blown away. But God.

told me and when I when I turned 42, God told me whenever I was really. getting myself together, man, I was. finding God. I was on that hunt and I. was just, it was like a rapid, funny, it. was like a rapid. I was I had lost all my friends in that. season. And I remember I was driving. this u knockoff Bentley is what I call. it and it was a 300 Chrysler. >> and I was back at my mom's house and. smoke would come out of my car every day. coming back from Bloomingdales where I. worked.

>> and I did a video that day talking to. myself. and I was like if you are in a place. right now and you feel like giving up. don't you dare cuz you're this close. I. was talking to myself. >> because I'm sitting on the side of the. road with overheating and I'm looking. for God and I feel God, but I don't feel. like I deserve any help whatsoever. That's why my car is on the side of the. road. >> And so at that moment, I just was on.

there talking to myself and I uploaded a. video and that thing went viral. >> It's always the ones that you never plan. to go viral that go viral. >> Mhm. >> And every single day after that I did a. video. But because of that, that's how come I'm so true to myself. still to this day, >> right? >> Because it wasn't it wasn't the horrible. Christians that were, you know, because. there's horrible everything, right? you. know, in every place, you know, in every.

space. >> But it wasn't those people that were. talking behind my back or it was the. pastor Rod Parsley. >> that had all the reason in the world to. never have me back. >> because I I I rebelled. >> This was my third marriage by now. Everything he said was going to happen. happened. >> And he said, "I want you to come. preach." Well, that's crazy because I've. only been preaching for three years and. I don't even know that I had preached at.

my dad's church yet because he was still. trying to get used to the women. pastoring. I had preached in Paula. Whites. I had preached in TD Jake's. >> at the young adults conference. >> I had preached at Crelo Dollars for. Taffy Dollar. So all of these big mega. ministries were having me, but my dad. was still having a hard time. >> because my dad remembers I was na. nighing and not pray praying, you know, >> and I'd already made such a mockery of. the family for so long. I'm sure he was.

taking his time now. Now my dad, listen, my dad loved me, but he he knew the. ratchet side of me still, >> right? >> You know, I could still get up and. preach and bleed. in those other places because I was just. going in and going out. And when I. walked in that place, I remember getting. off that plane bunny and they picked me. up at the airport and as I was driving. to World Harvest Church to preach, it. was like right before that exit, I look. up and there was a billboard and it was. all these legend preachers.

>> and then there was me right in the. middle with a mohawk. >> and a pink thing coming out. That's when. I was preaching in tutus. I always was. doing the craziest like a fairy. godmother. >> Yeah. >> And I look up and I just started balling. and I heard the Lord say because of your. obedience, because you put in that work, because you stopped allowing yourself to. be identified by people and you just.

looked up and stayed faithful and stayed. focused and stayed consistent. I'm. giving you a full circle moment. And. I'll never forget walking in and him. walking in that green room and wrapping. his arms around me. >> I got chills, >> girl. >> I just It was like God that was probably. healing for me because I think all of us. have baggage from that. >> Yeah. >> Like we go to a therapist forever, but. what's she going to know? >> She she wasn't in that that that growing.

up like you and I. She wasn't where the. the one true and living God that man. would leave and go to that woman at the. well. She never encountered that like. what we did. And so I think when you see. the hand of God that can take people. with the worst past and create the best. futures, >> but also to have such a man who is so. scary to everybody else just embrace you. after that long after you leaving. without even saying goodbye and him just.

holding you. Like I would have just lost. it. >> And there's people I will fight for him. Like I am that friend. You listen to me. I'm that friend for even you Bunny when. I call you my friend or I love you. I. will. You You killed who? Okay. I'm. going help you. I'm I'm then take you to. the cross. >> We're going to go We're going to go hide. the body and then we're going to go. pray. >> Yes. But that's how I feel about him. because he he's hard, you He's he's he's. he's a hard, you know, like he'll he'll.

yell at he's been in the in the news for. yelling at staff and all this kind of. stuff, but I know him and I know how he. put his arms around me and how he fought. for me because my exes all came out, you. know, whenever I started really blowing. up. >> Oh, they always. >> they all came out with 1933 pictures, you know, always. And they would call him and he'd be. like, "Don't ever you lose my number.". >> And he just always had my back. But I.

remember, girl, listen, he he looked in. my eyeballs and he said, "I'm so proud. of you." Real talk, Kim. >> Oh. >> And he said, "You're going to preach. your butt off today.". >> He just always believed in you. >> Yes. >> He gave you, >> but he came back. >> He gave you what your dad didn't give. you. And that was really cool of him to. have done that for you. And I think. that's really special that everybody. >> Wow, that is rich what you just said. >> And I think you're right. That's exactly. why that still moves me to this day is.

because he didn't have to do that. He. didn't. And and I remember even walking. into the church. and everybody was up there and you know. they always had their their meme me. >> you know their their people take their. computers up there and put it up there. before they get there and preach. I will. never do that. >> cuz I never want Why can't I carry my. computer up there and put it on the. front right. >> on the pl you know the podium. And so.

I'm walking up and I don't have this. huge entourage like everybody else. because I just was like honored like it. ain't about me and all these people. walking in so I can show y'all I made. it. It was man I was balling. >> Yeah. >> I was just like God you've got to help. me get this together before I get up. there and preach. I was scared to death. >> There was 10,000 preachers that have. been preaching for 40 years, 30 years. And here's this little girl that did. everything they said she did. the woman. caught in the act of adultery, taken.

before the Lord. >> and said, "Stonone her." And yet he got. down in that dirt. That was Pastor Rod. He got down in that dirt and started. writing. >> If you got some sin, if you don't have. any sin in your life, then you cast that. first stone. And what he stoned, what he. did for me that day was he put me up. there and just said, "What are y'all. going to say?". >> Preachers, >> he led with love. >> He did. >> He practiced what he preached. >> He did. >> Yeah. And really after that, I was I was. on Preachers of Atlanta, showed out for Jesus. >> So, let's circle back though because we.

left off at at you getting divorced at. 18 and then getting married again at 19, which resulted in you having your. babies, becoming a mama, >> 18, Morgan and Lincoln. >> I mean, what was that like for somebody. who came from such a crazy childhood. being able to raise your own babies? My. gosh. >> Has it been healing for you. >> or has it been triggering? >> I think it was triggering, you know, because I kept I remember I we backslid. >> Yeah. >> Like me and their father were worship.

pastors, right? We both came from World. Harvest Church. >> and we totally backslid. We we got. church hurt. >> and were working for a min were mega. ministry and we saw stuff and it was. like triggering all the way back like no. way, man. and we're not going to we're. not raising our kids under this, >> right? >> And so we just quit going to church. >> And um. >> I feel like everybody goes through that. though, like anybody that has super. religious trauma like how we do, it's. like you go through a season of your. life where you're like, you know what, I.

don't want to do this anymore. And you. leave the church. >> And I didn't want to fake it. >> You know, a lot of people will still get. back in church and sing on platforms and. hide their skeletons and live their. whole life miserable. I just didn't want. to do that. like God, I I I I would. rather, you know, disappoint you. than be in church faking it. >> and still disappointing you. So, if I've. got to do choose, then at least I'm just. disappointing you. But I'm not.

>> I want to do the dog and pony show. >> Yeah, I get it. >> So, we quit going to church, but I. convinced myself and I went and started. an interior design company. >> I love that. You know what? I'm just. going to become an interior designer. >> I was like, I don't need anything. I'm. going to go. And boy, did I. That is. when I started partying. >> A. >> So, how did you just become an interior. designer? Cuz I actually went to school. for to start getting my bachelor's. degree in interior design when I was. younger and it wasing hard. Excuse my. language. >> Girl, I don't have degrees for nothing.

>> Yeah. And you just do it and they. believe me. >> I love that. I love that. Did you just. Did you start your own company? >> Yes. >> That is hilarious. I mean, I love you. >> because I had to, I was a girl and girls. were, you know, we were supposed to be. at home with our kids. I'm not going to. do that. I'm a boss. I'm proving. something to the world. >> I love that you figured it out, though. >> But my what happened was my husband, my. son's father, when we got hurt with that. church, he went to bed.

>> He literally went into depression. >> Oh. >> And we're in this house. He's the only. one that's ever worked since we got. married. M. >> we had been married for God at this time. 13 years. >> Mhm. >> We had two kids. >> Yeah. >> And he's in bed. >> So it was it was like sink or swim and. that in you was like, "Okay, I've got to. get up and make. >> I mean it was literally like he lost his. mind.". >> Oh, >> it it it knocked him. >> Was he using at the time? >> No.

>> Okay. >> And we weren't even partying at that. time. >> Okay. Gotcha. And so, um, this church, um, you know, uh, found out this, I. guess a neighbor told this pastor in. Orman Beach, I got a girl that is. phenomenal. She she does great with. color and she just loved me. And so she. I was a makeup artist, not a designer, >> but she said I was great with color and. you got to let her come look at your. church cuz he was needing paint colors. >> And I went in and I don't know how, but.

I sold myself. Can you do drapes? Yes. Can you Can you uh pick paint? Yes. Can. you pick carpet? Yes, I can. And I went. home and taught myself every bit of it. Got that whole church that is now in. Orman Beach and decorated that whole. church and it was in this shoot rich. community. And so I went and started. interior design company. My mother. became my workroom cuz remember she made. my church clothes. I love that you.

unlocked unlocked a new era though. Like. it put a drive in you and you were like, "You know what? I did great at this. I'm. about to just drive it home.". >> I love that. Yeah. No, interior. designers make money. >> And you know what I did is I went and. hired a whole bunch of really good. designers. >> That were better than me. And I'd sit on. the beach and just answer the phone. >> You're smart. You're a boss. That's just. Yeah. >> But I was really good, too. I was good. at design. So, I did do it for a little. while, but then I got so big that I just. had teams. But look how I went back and.

preached at that church, too. >> Look how God was working in your life. even when you didn't realize it. Like he. still provided and was like, "You know. what? Even though she's not going to. church right now, she's at least pouring. her energy into something.". >> That's how God is. >> I know. >> God is like that. God is God is never. ever changing. He is just because we do. bad things or make not even bad things, we do the best we can. >> Like I wasn't just out in these streets. wanting to go to hell. For real. For. real. I had two kids, right? I just had. some stuff.

>> and I just stayed away from the people. that had caused the harm. I don't. believe you can heal where you got. killed, >> you know, or left for dead. >> And so I started decorating that church. and then I started interior designing. and my husband became the stayed at home. with the kids. >> Mhm. >> And I did that for eight years. >> Wow. You made a whole career out of it. >> And we got in with all these rich people. that would taught us about and. >> Yep. >> Oh my the designer, >> man. They were swapping. I ain't never. heard of that stuff. I was like, "Y'all.

are what?". >> Oh, yeah. In Florida, too. Don't go to. the pineapple upside down houses. Honey, I made it. We made it to the villages or. whatever they're called. >> I remember I would lay him up at night. I'd be like, "God, are you still there?". I just thought, "He done turned me on. over to all this.". >> And she's like, "God, are you still. there? >> He done turned me over. to the. pineapples. >> Oh my god. >> Cuz I was sheltered.

>> I was sheltered. >> So, okay. So, let's let's deep dive here. a little bit. Okay. You know, I have to. peel back the layers. So, you and your. husband started partying really hard. You guys started using drugs and you. guys also started swinging. >> Never swing. >> Okay. Never swing. Swapped. >> We never did none of that now. >> Okay. She's like, "Yes, no. Maybe." So, >> no, we didn't do any of that. But we had. friends. Like we were all around it like. we would leave. >> There was no way if that man would have. ever said. >> cuz I'm this kind of woman.

>> Yeah. >> You you you you're going to let me. you're going to let who? What? That. means you don't love me cuz I'm not. sharing this man with Nope. I will I. will cut you. >> You know my my exes maybe. But if I love. you. >> Yeah. >> and and remember I encountered that with. my father. So I just didn't have a good. trust in men anyway. >> Gotcha. But I love that you didn't judge. people who were in that lifestyle. >> No, honey. I was best friends with them. >> Yeah. >> And I remember as soon as they all. started getting real, you know, caught. up, we'd we'd dip.

>> She's like, "All right, this is my exit. I'm on ecstasy. Jaw grinded. We're going. home." Honey, >> I look back, girl, you ever just look. back and think about stuff you did, >> honey? >> And think I would have went to jail for. a really, really long time. >> Yes. Yes. All All those mug shots. There's more. But I should have had. some. >> Yeah. I'm sorry. >> I should have had some. >> Yeah, >> because I think of like stuff that we. did back in that era. >> era. Yeah, it was.

>> But my little boys were just Man, >> it was a different life back then, though. Like I don't think Not that I'm. excusing our behavior, but. >> I'm sorry. If I could go back to the 90s. and 2000s, I would do it all over again. I love that era of life. Even in the the. early 2000s, too. I don't know what's. going on in the world today, but it's. not the world that I grew up in. And. it's just a completely different, you. know, time. >> Yeah. >> Um, so you guys are partying. >> Yeah. >> When does the party stop?

>> So, >> when do you realize you need the party. to stop? >> It was It was 17 years and 11 months we. were married and it was so bad. I. remember my 30th birthday. >> It was that night was when all hell. broke loose. Like we'd been partying. We. our house was the party house. My little. boys were just I remember my mom coming. to my doorstep one night right around my. 30th birthday and just crying and she. was like, "Baby girl, I'm praying for.

you. Like this is just not you." And I'd. be like, "Girl, I ain't never coming. back to Jesus with a cigarette hanging. out my mouth.". >> No. >> And I just remember the tears and so I. just go drink some more so I didn't have. to remember the pain. So you didn't have. to. >> that I caused my mom because I didn't. want I didn't want to be this way but it. was way better than those people that I. encountered in the church. >> So it was either this. >> or that. >> You felt a sense of freedom of being.

able to choose who you were in that. moment. If you wanted to drink, you. could. If you wanted to smoke, you. could. If you wanted to drop ecstasy, you could. Nobody's going to tell you. what to do because those formative. years, you were told what to do. >> And I wasn't even thinking about God. Really? Yeah. >> You know, because. he wasn't thinking about me. I didn't. think I just wasn't even thinking about. dying. Like when you're caught up in. sin, sin will take you further than you. want to go. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Cost you more than you want to pay and. keep you longer than you want to stay.

when you do it what I was doing. >> Where it's just taking control of your. life. M. >> and I remember one night 30th birthday. and um it was like the first time that I. felt abuse. >> I was like man we are in trouble. >> Wow. >> And I remember that night my mom calls. me and she says, "Baby girl, God wants. me to ask you a question." She said, "Do. you want this in 20 years?". >> And I was like, man, we were so far.

gone. >> Yeah. like numb, gone. Cuz you can't be. raised in church and know God, >> right? >> And not feel in your deepest, darkest, hung over. >> Yeah. Have some conviction. >> You can't not. >> Yeah. There's always a fear there for. sure. >> Because you did feel God. >> even in those seasons that those people. let you down. You you did you you. couldn't neglect that. And so I just.

listened to her and at that night my I. didn't know where he was, you know. I. didn't know where he was. I didn't uh. know what was going on and I was in a. very dark place. >> When you say you felt abuse, was it. physical? >> You know, we were both physical. >> You know, just as just because it's my. son's father, I'm so careful. >> because I've changed so much. >> Trust me, I get it. when you have that. so much going on and. >> girl, it was just my mouth.

>> Yeah. Well, yes, I get it. I get it. >> I could slice you up and and. leave you for dead. I was so detached. Like I was I was so wounded. >> that people that had been in my life for. 13, 14 years would leave and I would act. like they had never even been there. Yeah. >> Like I just had no attachment. ability at all. Like I was. >> verbal snip. I call it being a verbal. sniper cuz I was the same way. >> Yeah. I would cut people offen and just. leave them like just so heartless.

>> like not even care. >> Like I I even think back to this day. Did you care? Like. >> did did you No. Like it was like I just. expected everyone to leave. >> You know, so it's like I like peace out, >> right? >> And then I'd walk in a room with them. and never even look at them like they. they had never been there. >> I would always hurt people before they. could hurt. >> Oh yes. Me too. >> Self-sabotage at its finest. Yeah. >> And so that's when it really started. But I still stayed another four years. after that trying to trying to save him.

I really honestly thought. >> he's going to come to his grips. He's. going to get it together and we're going. to go. >> Was it depression or was he in addiction. at that point? >> Gosh, at this point it was addiction. >> Ra just fullblown. uh my parents came and and tried to go. through uh what's it called? Sober and. sobered him up. We he went away. Uh it. was it was just had a hold on him. >> Yeah. >> And um I mean I could party and then get. up and go to work.

>> You know, it wasn't I was a party. animal. >> I was a functioning addict myself. >> I was totally. >> Mhm. >> And so my kids were lost and I remember. what finally was a hit the camel's back. was one night I remember it was this. song that just started coming on because. I was all by my myself. My my kids were. at my mom's house in Atlanta and I was. living in Orlando, Florida. And at this point, so much had taken. place in this marriage. I mean, police,

uh, just holes and walls, uh, just rage. And this night, it was like, I'm dying. tonight. Like, I knew this night I was. going to die. Like, it was so it was at. the top of rage. It was like the. everything came to a head. And that. night all I could think about was I got. to get out of this house and then I got. to go where I gotta go. And because I.

protected him, I didn't there was nobody. around. I mean, we had I literally. started this man a church trying to get. him sober. >> Like if I at least I mean I went found a. movie theater, bought all the music. equipment. He came church drunk. >> Wow. >> You know, I mean, and people were trying. to sober him up so he get up and do the. sermon. I'm just trying to help him get. his, you know, get his life back. >> And that night, I thought if I can get. up and get out, then I'll I'll I'll call my mom and dad. tonight. And I remember I sat in a bush.

because the neighbors went to our church. and I couldn't go over there. >> cuz I didn't want them to hate Jesus. because of our horrific leadership. ability, >> right? >> You know, and you've gone through that. Yes. And I didn't want to stand before. God one day and he was like, "Girl, like. all these people turned away from me. because of your mouth, because you you. were double-minded, >> right?". >> And so I just sat in that bush. I. remember about 5:00. He left and I go. and I call my mom and dad and they came.

to Orlando, >> picked up my home. It was the a. beautiful home that I had bought. And my. mother came in. We patched holes where I. mean when when when the fights would. start, they would just he would throw. just whatever and I just put pictures. over the walls. >> And. she sat that day for 24, 48 hours and. just started fixing the walls. And I. remember my dad walking around telling.

people, "Don't talk to Kim." Like, "If. you talk to her, she's going to have a. nervous breakdown. Just talk." I was out. of it. M. >> it was like and I'm a strong woman. >> and I was out of it. And from that point. on, I remember listening to this. Credit's important to me. >> Like integrity is important to me. Even. when I was out in the world looking for. peace and looking for whatever I was out. searching for, I still felt I got to. keep up with my name and, you know, good.

character. And I got two boys that even. always are going to need their mom. >> and I'm going to be able to supply for. them. >> And in this but in the last six months I. lost my business. >> because it was we were down to that. place of you know I'm tired of you. dependent on everybody else. You need to. So I closed the whole business down gave. it to my designers cuz I was trying to. do everything I could to save this. marriage. Whatever he told me was going. to work I was going to do it. >> Yeah. >> And by this time so I didn't have the. company anymore. And I remember.

thinking, I got this $500,000 house. behind these gates and I'm going to lose. it. I'm going to I'm not going to be. able to buy cheese with my credit. How. am I going to sustain my kids? And do. you know when we were packing up that. U-Haul getting ready to pull out, a. Taurus pulls up in that driveway and it. is a beat up Taurus and literally rolls. its window down and says, "Are y'all. selling this house?".

>> It looked like a yard sale cuz we had. stuff laying everywhere. >> And my dad said, "In fact, we are.". >> He said, "Do you mind if I go in and. look in look inside?" My dad let him go. look inside. He said, "I'm going to buy. this house.". >> Wow. >> He said, "I'm an investor and I'm going. to buy this house." And at 6:00 a.m. that next morning, we stayed overnight. 6:00 a.m. that next morning, that man. bought our house, >> Kim. >> And it was like God at that moment. started showing me glimpses of him. >> cuz you were making the right decision.

So, he was like encouraging you like now. you don't have a reason to go back. >> Yes. >> Now, it's just moving forward. >> Yes. And this is what he does for us. >> When everybody in the world lets you. down, >> if you'll do the hard things, >> if you'll swallow your pride, cuz that's. what I had to do. I had so much pride. >> And I had to swallow my pride and move. back in with the very woman that I. married a man for to run away from. >> But look how they showed up for you. >> Oh, girl, now my mama, my mom and daddy,

>> he didn't want me preaching in his pull. pit, but he loved his daughter. >> Yeah. He's like, "I don't trust you to. be behind the pulpit." But he thought my. daughter. He's like, "Baby girl, you. you're still you need to get your mouth. You're you still cuss a little.". >> That was the only He didn't want me to. make a fool of myself, you know. >> Yeah. >> But now I pastor his church. >> A. >> But uh yeah, so I had to move back in. with my mom and dad. I remember one. night, Bunny, it was like the biggest. just humbling experience.

that me and my two sons that had. everything. Every new video game, every I mean, I drove a Navigator, a. Mercedes convertible, this beautiful house. We would have chefs cook for us or we'd. let them stoers pull up all the cooked. meals and and overnight those boys and. they had gorgeous bleach, you know, that. that long hair and they were just so.

cool. And all of a sudden when my dad. comes, he makes them cut their hair. >> No. >> So it was still a little in him. >> Yeah. >> I've never talked about this part. He. made them cut their hair off, their. surfer hair off, and he went and put. them in Christian school. So, it was. like overnight all of this stuff. >> Yeah. >> And my boys ain't been to church. You. know, I convinced myself we'd only been. out for three years, but it had been 10. >> Right. Right. >> You know, I'm back for three years.

>> It had been 10. >> And. >> was that a shock for them? Like, how did. they adjust? Well, because my mom and. dad, we move in with them and there's a. revival going on with a guy named Todd. Bentley or something. I don't remember. I I mean, obviously I remember his name. Obviously, it was traumatic to me. And every single night they are laying. in the floor weeping. with this tent revival. And it was every.

night. So, my kids go from no church to. laying in the floor, watching my mom and. dad lay in the floor. >> We've been in crying every night. And my. dad's making them cut their hair. And. >> how did they adjust? How did it affect. them? How old were they at this time? >> Seven and nine. >> It was hard on them. >> Yeah, I bet. >> You know, my my my then they of course a. year went by, 10, 11, 12. I said I was. going to be out out of my mom's house by. then. And every year went by and I st I.

was stuck because now I'm having to work. a retail job because we're in Fagville, Georgia. I pastor in a town that is. horses, >> right, >> and cows and there's not even a mall. >> There's a belk. >> And so I had to go get a job at this. Kmart on crack. >> Right. >> Right. Because that's all there is. And. I got to take care of my kids. >> Right. And so, >> and it wasn't just you. You couldn't.

just up and leave like you had done. previously because now you got two. little nuggets. >> And I was scared to make the wrong I. There was really a fear of I can't mess. up again cuz I got these two little boys. that lost their dad and mom. >> Like what a disgrace. Like the first one. was. it was. >> Oh, you were young. You were young. >> I mean the only thing that Yeah. Right. >> And I feel like it doesn't count. That. one should have been an old. >> And if I passed him on the street, I. wouldn't even know what he looks like. Honest. to God, >> I love that. >> Like it was just that. And this one, I.

loved his guts. >> Yeah. >> You know, so it was like my. >> You had children with him. So. >> And I honest to God thought we'd be. together forever. >> Yeah. >> You know, probably doing something in. ministry. I don't know. Cuz that's what. he did our whole marriage. >> Did he ever get it together? And was he. able to? No. Never got it together. I. hate to hear that. >> No. And my mom was right. 20 years. Do you want this?

>> Because nothing's changing. >> Wow. >> And I pray I pray every day, you know, because I know what it's like. Great guy, you know, and and I don't. even know if to what does even get it. together look like. >> Right. Right. >> You know, my my get it together, which. is take over the world. >> Right. Right. >> Or I got peace, >> you know. >> Yeah. He's if he's living how he wants. to live and he's content, then that's. that's all that matters. >> So, take me to this, you know, God.

speaking on your life and calling you to. become a pastor because you're living at. home. You're at rock bottom. You're. working at Belulk and you get this. hairbrain idea to become a pastor. How. does this come to you? >> Girl, I didn't even know how to do. makeup because remember I was raised you. can't do makeup, >> right? So. why are they going to put me at Esteee. Lauder? Like not even MAC. Estee Lauder, which is like granny. makeup.

>> And so that means I. >> like diamonds and all that stuff. My. step mom used. >> No, I don't remember that. >> Oh, girl, them ladies love the youthoo. and they would come spray all over and. it smells straight up like like diapers. Oh, and so and and you have to wear these. polyester navy blue suits, you know, uniforms. And so they're like, "We have. the best job for you." And it's Estee. Lau. I was like, "Listen, lady, >> I don't know how to put makeup on.

>> You do not want me in makeup. I really. don't even like people at all." Right? >> Like I. >> at this point in my life, I'm over it. >> I don't like people. >> I don't I'm not going to be good with. with your customers. Put me in the well. Put me in the well. I'll open the boxes. They were like, "Oh, no. We think you're. going to be great." Girl, when I tell. you it was like God punked me because I. was still my dad because I was in his. house was making me s lead worship in. his church. >> So, I'd be driving to church with my.

cigarette hanging out my out of my car. and then getting to the church and. spraying spraying love spell all over. me, >> which that doesn't even work cuz I used. to smoke Newports. So, I know. And the. love spell. >> You just smell like a whole wh house. >> Yeah. >> Walking up into the chair. >> Every stripper in Vegas wore love spell. >> Oh my god. Sick now. >> Amber Romance. >> Amber Romance was the other one. >> And so I would I still had to do his. worship, but I was like. >> in cosmetics. And I remember watching.

YouTubes trying to learn how to how to. like do makeup. And. I remember getting so mad at God one. night and I was like, "You hate me. Like. these old ladies, like I don't even know. how to do makeup and now you're wanting. they're coming in here wanting I got to. put it in the wrinkles. >> and cover the wrinkles up and I don't. even know how to put makeup on." I'm. just having this whole conversation cuz. I truly did start talking to God, >> right? >> Like I was really laying in that bed. really seeking because I was sad. I was.

broken. And I remember laying in that. bed and I said, "God," I said, I said, "I need you to take this pain away from. me.". And probably for the first time in my. life, Bunny, I heard, "I can't take it. away from you. You got to get up and. walk away from me.". And at that moment, I realized. that it was like the rejection wasn't. people necessarily wanting out of my. life. It wasn't just because I was bad.

It wasn't just because I was unlovable, but that God did indeed have something. for me to do. I never thought it was. preaching ever. I never thought it was. preaching, but he had something for me. to do that. those people that I had opened the door. to to come in my life, their character. couldn't keep up with my purpose. >> And so, for some reason, I wrapped my. head around rejection's God's. protection. And so I started climbing. out of that depression, that that. sadness, that hollowess, that sitting in.

the parking lot with all my girlfriends. drinking uh a bones farm, you know, or. the cheapest wine we could find, literally getting drunk on the cheapest. wine we could find after work while my. kids are at home with my parents. >> And it's I started longing. It was like. God started giving me a longing because. I always knew God from my parents or. from Bible school. >> Their version. >> Yeah. >> But this time I hit rock bottom. >> and I needed God. And I remember on he.

started taking me on a journey of. forgiveness. >> and I remember I lay in my bed at night. and I would pray, "God, kill him. Kill. him with a train." Cuz God didn't tell. me how to kill him or how to pray for. him. He just said, "Pray for him." I was. praying for him to get killed with the. train cuz I wanted him to hurt as bad as. I was hurting. And I remember when he. started talking about he, you know, forgiveness. >> I was just like, wow. >> I don't even know how to do that. Raised.

in the church. >> Well, because they didn't show you no. >> forgiveness. They didn't show you how to. forgive. No. >> That was my That's been my biggest. lesson in life, too, is learning how to. forgive. >> And I would lay in my bed every night. and be like, "God, help." I would pray. that every night. God, help me forgive. >> God, help me forgive. I want to forgive. I want to forgive, but I don't know how. And it was like over time in about six. months, I was starting to get up more.

excited. My kids were starting to see a. change. I wasn't just going out and and. looking for trouble to get into. Right. in the beginning of this journey of me. finding God and really like just hungry. I I came home drunk one night. I was. probably 38. and it was the last time I got drunk. I. come home drunk. We'd had a party and I. was the I was the I was the the star. You know, everywhere I went, they'd make. sure I got home and everything. They. would drive.

>> I believe that. >> they would drive me home. They put me in. the van. like they they took people took. care of me cuz I was just by this time I. was happy. I was getting there. >> And that night I walk in my house and I. I I remember the girl, this lady named. Tarvette was the one that drove me home. And that night she had called my son. Morgan and said, "I need you to open the. door because I'm bringing your mama. home.".

And that night when I walked in, I saw. that pain in my son's eyes cuz he had. just he seen it two years prior when we. had to leave his father. And it's that. had taken away that whole family, you. know, from him. And I saw that and I was. so. broken. I mean, cuz you know, when. you're when you're drunk, some reason. you're more spiritual. >> If you got any gods, you're preaching to. everybody. >> Well, they call alcohol spirits. Yes, they do.

>> There you go. >> So, um, >> seeing that pain, >> I saw that pain. >> Mhm. >> And I'm walking in and I just feel grief. cuz he was, you could just see it in his. eyes just like. >> cuz he never seen me like that. I'd hit. it really well, >> you know. And I was walking upstairs and. as I was walking upstairs, I hit all of. the pictures. >> Oh, no. >> I'm 38. >> Oh, no. >> And I wasn't as bad as I had been. And I. was really searching for God, but I was. just one foot in, one foot out. Really?

>> And I'm doing so good. and already doing my videos. >> Right. Right. Oh, >> already doing my videos. Already talking. about Jesus. >> So, your video started out as like. motivational speaking, not being a. pastor. Okay. I never knew that. >> No, no, no. Just just literally like, man, I know you want to give up today, >> trying to encourage. >> I know you're starting over today. I. know you're sitting on the car side of. the road and you're hoopty and you are. looking at all these people that look. like they're doing so much better than. you.

>> Gotcha. >> So that's what it was totally. It was. definitely not because I had it all. together, >> right? I probably look like I did, >> but I knocked all the pictures down. going upstairs at my mom's, all my. graduation pictures on my brother's. >> and I heard the door of my father's room. opening. and. my heart started palpitating cuz my son. already was disappointed and now my dad, which I love more than anything, was.

going to catch me. And because I'd. always stay away, you know, if I was. going to be partying or anything like. that, but this night I got busted. And. so I hear my dad walking up the stairs. and I run to my room and I lay down like. this as still as I can thinking that. he'd think I was asleep. Like he didn't. see all the pictures, but when you're. drunk, you just think you're very sober. >> and you're slick. Yes. >> Like it wasn't me. >> And I could feel his breath looking down. at me. And so I just opened my eye like.

this and he said, "Baby girl, how do you. feel? And I said heartbroken. And he said, "Well, you're going to get. through this." He said, "But I hope you. don't have a hangover tomorrow." He. said, "Cuz daddy's going to tuck you. in." And he said, "Forgive yourself, but tomorrow you going to get up, lead. praise and worship at our church." No. >> And I thought every white person, cuz it.

was all white, all the white people in. that building, judgmental, all they. were, I said, "They're going to die. >> because there's a lightning bolt about. to go through the ceiling at that church. because there's no way my dad should let. me." Cuz most of the time, you got to. get up. If you're a preacher's kid, you. got to get up. You got to stand before. the church. You got to say, "I'm sorry. that I've said my dad never let that. happen. My dad covered me. >> He protected me. But he was going to. make me get up and leave praise and. worship. And I remember that Sunday, it. was like God, I laid in that bed that.

night and cried my eyes out because I. felt like another moment with Pastor. Rod. >> Mhm. >> Where Jesus was holding me and saying, >> "Let it go. You're human.". >> Yeah. >> And after that, I never drank again. >> It was like my father showed me. everything I needed him to show me all. those years. This soft side. >> where he's saying, "Baby girl, I'm so. proud of you." and you going to get up. there and you going to sing your butt. off and you going to lead worship and. God is there and I trust you.

>> And so I say I I led worship and. >> it was like a that that there was a. healing that took place. >> and I never had to go out and. >> get drunk and drive with one eye again. And that's when my whole life really. started changing. >> and I literally fell so in love with. Jesus. >> I love this. >> Fell in love with Jesus. And I mean, girl, listen. I was then turning those. car videos into preaching and but it. wasn't preaching. It was all I'm.

fascinated with the stories in the Bible. where God leaves the 99 for the one. where he will turn Apostle Paul that was. Saul that was a Christian killer and. he'll turn him into one of the greatest. revivalists in the planet. >> Yes. >> He'll save him. let a snake bite him. that was supposed to kill him and he'll. shake that snake off and that very hand. that got bit by the snake is the one. that was healing people like I'm just. fascinated. >> by those stories of the man laid at the.

pool of Bethesda 38 years. >> and all of a sudden God said get your. tail up what you doing. >> and he gets up and he says now take your. mat and walk he knew if he left his mat. there he would come back. >> and yet that man ended up being a great. revivalist. The woman at the well became. one of the greatest revivalists. And so. I was always fascinated with that. So I. was always telling those stories. >> of if you've been church hurt, >> it's it's okay. And then I met a guy.

named Trent Shelton. in that time and he's over rehab time. He had this big old movement and he. would ask me to come on and pray and it. wasn't a Christian movement. >> Mhm. But he always wanted someone to. pray. And he saw me as a preacher. A. >> And so he would ask me to come on rehab. time and pray. And I'd be set up in my. mama's bedroom, that room that was a 10. by10 like size of my old walk-in closet. And I'd be praying in that room. And I.

showed up every Thursday like there was. 20,000 people standing there. And I did. it faithfully for like two years. >> It gave you a purpose. >> Yeah. And I think the obedience to God, like I mean I would be out with family. and have to go sit in my car so I could. do this rehab time and it stirred. something up inside of me. >> that was calling. >> Oh yeah. >> Mhm. >> And then when I was at Blooming I mean. Bel when I when I think about that. I could not stand people and God knew.

that and he said where I'm taking you. have to like people. So, I'm going to. put you in front of these sweet little. old little old little old little old. little old little old little old little. old little old little old little old. ladies that don't care if you can't do. makeup. They're just coming to feel. pampered and you're going to fall in. love with them because you're going to. learn to listen to their stories. And. girl, when I tell you that five years in. cosmetics, I fell so all of this was in. the same time. >> I fell in love with people so much their.

stories. Mhm. >> I started ministering to them out of a. place I never I never knew was there. >> Right. >> It was it was like I I I remember when I. really realized that God had his hand on. my life was this lady named Eleanor came. walking. >> Such an old lady name and I love that. I. >> She looked like an old lady. She going. to walk in like that with her little. handbag, you know, >> and she comes walking in and by this. time because. >> I was selling the mess out of lip.

glosses cuz that's all I could put on. you was lip glosses and I everybody was. buying lip glosses. >> and I do their makeup and they'd buy lip. glosses and I had one of the top. counters in Atlanta. >> for sales because. >> it was because of you. It was. >> people were attracted to your charms. >> And Eleanor came in and she said to me, Kim, >> I said, Eleanor, you cannot return that. >> I have all the account execs coming to. my store and they're going to ask me. what I'm doing to get all these sales.

and if you return, we have no returns. Eleanor, she said, "Oh, no. I'm not. bringing this back." She said, "I'm. coming back with a proposition to you.". She said, "For the last 13 years," she. said, "my husband walked out on me for. my best friend." And she said, "I quit. living." She said, "I lay in my bed and. I would just rot and everyone enabled. me. My kids would bring me food and. groceries and I just would leave the. house. I lost me." And she said, "I have.

to get a job." She was probably 78. and she was having to go get a job and. she said, "So, I have to I have to. figure out how to take care of myself.". And she said, "I've been going to a. therapist. This woman comes to my house. and meets with me for the last 10. years.". And she said, "That therapist hasn't. done anything for me, >> but she became my friend." She said, "But when I came and sat in your chair.

on that Friday," she said, "Something. happened in your chair.". >> And she said, "When I left, I went home. I opened all my blinds." She said, "I. told people, I don't need you to come. buy my groceries anymore." She said, "Life is back in me." And she said, "Every Friday, I'm going to come sit. back in this chair and I'm going to let. you talk to me and I'm gonna buy another. lip gloss. >> Let's go.". >> And it was like that was God bunny. Oh, >> it was like all of a sudden I was like, >> it like clicked for you. It was like a. light bulb. >> Everything they said about me is not.

true. >> I can preach. >> I can love people back to life. And if I. can't preach in a church, I can preach. on the side of the road. I can I can. minister. I can love everybody. I can. walk in a grocery store. I can fall in. love with little thumbnails that I don't. know. I I never meet these people. But. yet, God's given me this ability to love. so well that they feel like they're my. best friends. >> And it's because I prayed every day, God, let me be that person that lets. people feel seen,

>> that wants to live right. I'm not I. didn't live right because I was scared. of hell. I was not scared of hell. I had. already been there. >> Yeah. But what brought me to Jesus was. Rod Parsley and my father wrapping their. arms around me and having my back when I. didn't have my own back. >> So it's the love of God. It's loving. people where they are. >> and being there for them and letting. Jesus clean them up. >> Amen, sister. Okay. >> And so from there, >> you just start preaching. What was it.

like when you did your first sermon? >> Oh, well, I pulled out a tutu. Okay. Where did the style come from? I. need to know. You have you've had like a. whole change in style, which I love both. versions. Oh, we got to credit. >> because that man right there loves me. Well, you know, I just never felt sexy. I was a preacher. You know, I was. >> I was and you know, I try to preach soft. girl. People say, "How many pack. cigarettes have you smoked today?". >> I love your voice. >> because I'm like I get called trans I.

get called uh Caitlyn Jenner all the. time. Like is that Caitlyn Jenner? People ask me, listen, that's a. compliment. People ask me if I'm trans, too. I think that's the new thing that. they do whenever women are good-looking. It's because No, it's because trans. women are beautiful now. It's like. they're so beautiful. So, it's like, you. know what? If you want to call us that. >> I can't believe I had thought of that. It's cuz I'm I'm going to say that next. time cuz I'm telling you, >> I'm a little sassy on there. I think. somebody called me Chloe the other day. and I was like, well, praise God. I've. graduated from Caitlyn.

You know, I'm Chloe today. >> You're beautiful. You are beautiful. But. I remember I had seen you before when. you were the blonde with the tutus and. the glasses and stuff like that. And. then when I saw you again, I was like, "Wait, wait, wait. Is this the same. person?" I had to go Google cuz I was. like, "This can't be the same person.". But it was the same voice. So I was. like, "This is her." And I was like, "Oh. my god, she's had like a total I don't. like using the word glow up." Because I. feel like everybody is where they want. to be at that point in their life, but I. was like, "She's had a total. transformation as far as she looks." You.

know? >> I think this is what healing looks like. Yeah, >> because I think we do such a bad job in. Christianity, >> right? >> Because I don't believe that you can be. a healed person and be an ugly. Christian, >> right? >> You know what I'm saying? >> Amen. Yes. >> I don't believe that you can be the. waiter's having a bad day and you're. like sending your food back with one. bite left. >> Yeah. >> And I I just I just feel like this is. what healing looks like. It made me. >> softer. >> Softer. I don't feel like I have. anything to prove.

>> Like I can come sit on Bunny's. podcast. and be 100% authentic and not be afraid. of nothing because I know for a fact. God's got my back. >> Absolutely. >> It's healed. >> Like I know I'm worth fighting for. I. know that if the with heaven split open. tonight and I get before the Lord, I'm. going to hear, "Well done, my good and. faithful sir." Yes. >> Because I love his kids. Well, >> was I perfect? No. But did I love his.

kids? And I think that's what matters to. him more than anything. >> Absolutely. Leading with love. >> I think I healed. >> Yeah. >> And I think this is healing. >> I love it. You look good, mama. I'm I'm. so excited for you. >> And it's so funny because I don't look. anything like like people will literally. cuz I have such a different following. now. >> Yeah. Diverse. For sure. >> When I had the tutu, you know, they. don't even remember. Nobody even knows. me in the tutu. Yeah. >> Cuz my whole following's changed so. much. My preaching is how it goes in. waves. So take me on your first sermon. And I'm I'm really curious about this. because we have so many people that want.

me to start going and speaking at places. and I am knocked. Like I sit me behind a. microphone and one-on-one with you. I'm. completely fine. But getting in front of. people and like how do you how do you do. it? Like how how did it feel to you to. do that for. >> I'm just one of those people that just. does stuff. >> I I know this interior designer, >> you know. I'll be I'm nervous all the. time. Yeah, >> because I need Jesus. I just I I just.

always like, God, God, I got God, I. can't believe you you've allowed me to. be here. But for me, it was I remember I. was about to do a conference. So So. listen, let me let me tell you how I got. here. So I was coming out, walking. through forgiveness. God told me I had to get up and walk. away from that victim mentality that I. was walking in, feeling sorry for. myself, >> which I think is huge. That's a huge. part to pick out cuz a lot of people. don't like to to say that they have they. were victimizing themselves. And I don't. think you can truly start growing as a. human until you own the fact that you.

are a perpetual victim. >> Because even if you didn't do even if. the pain you are feeling isn't your. fault, >> the healing still is your. responsibility. >> Is your responsibility. Yes, ma'am. >> And you can't heal. I mean, we we chose. these people. So, what was that, you. know? So, we did have a part to play in. it. We stayed way longer than we should. have. >> What was that? >> And so I I had to get there and realize. that, >> you know, I mean, girl, I'm the queen of. laying hands on myself. I'll be like, "Come out. I will if I feel I will lay.

hands on. >> I would pay to see that. I would love to. be around. >> My mouth will get sad." So I'll be like, "Come out. Come out." But I remember I. was there. It was when Facebook had a. quiz and it was 25 things um about me. And that's when we everybody was going. around telling about it. And I remember. it was right in the beginning of my. healing. I was probably 38. >> Mhm. >> And I remember that the number one was. uh what's your favorite color? And I. couldn't even tell you what my favorite. color was. I was so broken.

>> I mean, at this point, I was coming out, you know, but I was still like, man, I. don't even feel worthy of God's love. I. don't feel worthy of a man's love. I. don't feel I've embarrassed my mother, my sons. And number six was uh number number two. was, "What's your favorite food?" And I. remember laying there that night crying. so hard. And I was like, God, I don't. even know who I am anymore because you. lose yourself trying to get people to. love you. >> that we're never supposed to love you. >> and you're you just attracted what you. were and not what you wanted. And I was.

laying in that bed and I said, "God, I. need to know 25 things about me. That's good.". And seven days later, it was Mother's. Day. And Lincoln Presley, my youngest, he's third, I'm 29 now. He walks up and. hands me a poem that he's made that. looks like a little girl with a dress, so feminine. And she had like a little. tutu looking dress on. And she was so. girly. And I just did not feel.

I didn't feel soft. I didn't feel, you. know, and the poem was 35 things that I. love about you. And I remember reading those. It wasn't. even 25. It was 35 things that I love. about you, mama. >> And number one said, "I love you because. you're the loudest one at my basketball. games.". >> That boy used to tell me every bunny. every time we'd be going to a game, he'd. tell me, "Mother, if you're loud, I'm.

never telling you again because you. embarrass me cuz you're the loudest one. here.". >> But he secretly loved it. Then he going. to come tell me all these years later. that I love you because you were the. loudest one at my basketball games. It. made me feel so loved. >> See, mas don't listen to them. And then. number six was I love you because you. conquered hell in high heels. And man, girl, I cried like a baby and. healed. So many so many layers came off. me. So then I got invited to go preach.

and it was a KIC church. And. >> what kind of church is that? like like. like is it's is it's where they they. they shout like. >> oh yeah. >> like everybody get the rattlesnakes out. and stuff. >> All you got to do is just say amen and. everybody's like. >> no. >> right like you don't got to have a whole. lot of anointing. >> Right. >> Like you just got to walk up in there. like you feel it. >> Right. Right. >> And and so I was standing in front of. the mirror. I'll be like and God and he. said try to learn how to hoop cuz I had.

already seen all the people speaking. They were all going to hoop. They were. all going to lay hands on everybody in. the whole place. And they had asked me. to come preach off of a video in a car. >> And so I remember laying in my bed. I. was like, "Oh my god." I was I done. practiced hooping. I done practiced uh. uh dancing. That left leg wasn't going. to move. So we knew that wasn't going to. work. This one would move, but that. wasn't going to move, you know? So that. shouting was discombobulated. And so I'm laying in my bed and all of a.

sudden I remember that poem. that. Lincoln had made me and how that made me. feel. And I was like, a tutu, girl. I. don't know where that came from because. my body was not built for a tutu. >> Okay, I was probably. 78 lbs, like 199bs at that moment. at. that time. I order me a tutu. and go to this conference with a tutu. black tutu on cuz cuz I was scared of. these people. And I knew that if I come.

in as something that they're not going. to judge my preaching because I'm going. to already take them away, right? >> They're just going to be like, "Whoa, look what just walked in.". >> So, I put me some combat boots on. I had. a black tutu and it was all because I. was scared to death to preach. Did not. even know what I was going scared. Could. not had not heard from God yet. Like I'd. been begging God to tell me what I was. supposed to bring. >> He left you hanging. >> And so uh I had a a a I remember like it.

was yesterday. I had on a black t-shirt. with rhin said cocker hell and high. heels. >> Girl, when I walked in that place, it. was like the Holy Spirit took over. Like. when I tell you it was it I preached a. sermon that night called uh from stars. to scar from scars to stars or something. like that. Those women I never had to lay hands on. one person which I was scared to death. to do. I never had to lay hands on one.

person. I didn't even get to my s to to. the sermon. I got up there and just. started talking. just flowing about God was just putting. stuff in me about brokenness and healing. and how much he loves you daughter and. all this stuff. When I tell you that. place was the everyone was just laid out. weeping. >> And so from then I thought it was a. tutu. It was the tutu tutu. >> It won them over.

>> That was it. When I walked in, it just. it just won them over. And so then I. just started wearing tutus and I became. like that little tutu breacher. >> It was like your little uniform. >> Yeah. >> It was my uniform. >> But it set you apart from everybody. >> Well, it set me apart and they didn't. have a whole lot of expectations. >> You know, like it was like they're she's. coming in two, but we love who this is, >> right? >> And I was allowed to say things like. they were cuz, you know, at that point t. uh Twitter had already given me the name. Real Talk Kim. Mhm.

>> And um. >> was that how you got your name was from. Twitter? >> My name was Taken. >> And they said real talk Kim and I was. like yeah I like that. >> I love that. >> And so they Tik Tok gave me the name and. then probably I mean Twitter. Then a. year into me preaching um I got. contacted to go on Oxygen and be. preachers of Atlanta. >> because of my tutu. >> I love that. So, I don't I I still to. this day can't tell you really where.

that whole look. I mean, I. I I shaved my head off. I would shave my. head with my razor that I was cutting my. legs with, >> you know, and then I'd take lipstick and. put it in my hair. >> And. >> are you a natural blonde? >> I am white now. >> Yeah. Just. >> because you're not 53, >> but naturally, are you a blonde? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I, you know, would. would bleach my own hair and then I'd. put all that color in it. But it was. like that that became a huge awakening.

for me because I'll learn how to preach. in that season. But that tutu took me It. sounds so cliche, I guess, but it was. almost like I could I felt like she was. worthy, >> right, >> of being there. >> Yeah. >> Cuz miracles took place when she walked. in the room. >> Yeah. that she was she she served you. for that season of your life. That's who. you are. >> We're talking about her like she's real. >> I mean, she is she's sitting in front of. me right now. It's just a different. version. >> I was that way for 15 years.

>> Yeah. I mean, that's a lifetime. I was. You guys, you know, she got you started. in this and you made a name for yourself. while wearing that tutu. >> Yeah. >> So, take me on. You ended up getting. married again. The the that was your. third marriage. >> I did that before all of this. >> All of this. So, I was still living with. my mom and dad. >> We're getting to Angelo. That's why. we're we're getting we're going down the. Yes, we're getting to the We saved the. best for last. >> The best for last. >> So, the third one ended up DMing you.

>> Okay. So, I was living at my mom's. You. know me. >> I was living at my mom's trying to get. out. I was still in the parking lot. drinking, partying. >> And but I'm I'm coming to Jesus. I I'd. already had the experience with the the. the the moment with him where we were. like, "God, I need to forgive." So, I. was really starting to preach. I had I. haven't preached yet in a church, but I. was singing now. >> And this man slips into my DMs and he's. 15 years older. And all I thought was, "This man is going to get me out of Bel.

He's going to get me out of. Bloomingdell's. He's going to get me out. of my mama's house.". >> Cuz you still had that thought of. >> I was never going to preach. Like, that. wasn't even an option. And now I'm at, >> you know, I didn't even have the. confidence to go start an interior. design company, >> right? >> So, I'm stuck. So, I got to marry. somebody with money. And so, I met him. through Facebook and married him after. meeting him twice. >> It wasn't Facebook Marketplace, was it? No. >> Okay, good. >> Can you believe I did that? You should.

have been. It could have been actually, >> right? >> But he slipped in my DMs and I married. him and it was hell. M. >> and that is when the windows of heaven. opened over my life. >> Yeah. >> And I would still be married to him, you. know, >> cuz you're you try to make things work. >> Oh, yeah. And ministry took off. >> And. >> was he a Christian, too? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Just didn't walk it. He was the devil. >> It was like I married Satan and had to.

pretend I was happy. Oh, no. >> Liar. The the biggest liar. I would look. down in church and he'd be sitting there. with his hands up in the air with tears. rolling down his face. I was like, "When. you get home, you going to be the. biggest devil on the planet.". >> Was he abusive? >> Oh, no. But he was just mean as a snake. >> I mean, that's just his worst verbal. abuse. I'd rather take a punch to the. face than emotional and verbal abuse. >> And and because God started taking me. off, he would he would literally when I.

would get done preaching about that was. the stupidest sermon. M. >> you don't know the word. Um people. people they don't know who you are. And. then he would talk about me behind my. back. >> to staff to. >> I mean I like the horns came out. >> You literally were sleeping with the. enemy. >> Absolutely. >> That's crazy. >> So God God caught him. I mean I'd been. married to him for eight years. Uh we. were living completely different lives. I was on Preachers of Atlanta. I think.

he was on like one show. Uh he made. everything hell for me. Um I think that. was my last test, you know, cuz I kept it together. I I I. was I was at the feet of Jesus a lot. And I was not allowing that man to steal. what God had given me. And so I fought. like the last one, last elephant on the. ark. That was the devil trying to take. you down and just knock you off track. again.

>> because he was so. >> horrible. >> How did you guys end up splitting? >> Well, I was preaching in in Beluxy, Mississippi. And so when I met him, I. wasn't preaching. I didn't start. preaching for two years after I met him. I was working at Bel and Bloomingdale in. the process of that. And those videos. started taking off and then I started. preaching. So when I met him, I was not. already when I'm married again, I wasn't. in ministry. So, I was preaching in. Beluxy, Mississippi, and uh it sounds.

like I'm making it okay for when I got. married again. I had to give you all the. details. >> Yeah. No, no, no. You're painting a. picture. >> So, um I'm in Blexi, Mississippi, and. some of my pastor friends called and. were like, "Ken, we are so sorry." And. I'm like, "For what?" They were like, "You haven't been on social media." And. I'm like, "No.". They said, 'Well, your husband has been. caught. and he is a cheater. I about fell over.

This man acted like I mean though we. didn't have nothing, he still acted like. enamored with me, you know, like. >> he would never he loved the life I'd. given him at that point. >> I was like, "This old man, >> there's no way.". >> I saw a video of him. He was bomb. >> What was he was totally What was it? old. Like what? I didn't even. understand. All right. You were doing. charity work, Kim. Oh, I almost fell out. of my bed last night when I saw a video. of him. I was like, "What?".

>> I don't even tell people. Y'all can't. even find me. >> I knew it was a low point in life for. you. Okay. Just by the man that you had. beside you. >> I was trying to get out of my mom and. dad's house. >> Every time I even try to talk about. Angelo's exes, he's like, "You. >> You can't say nothing to me." Angelo, I. have your back on that one. Cuz I was. like, "Wait, what?" When I saw this. guy's shiny bald head sitting next to. you. I I mean, grandpa. >> and he was horrible. >> I mean, he was grandpa.

>> Like, if it's okay if he'd been nice, >> Gramps, >> you know, if he was take if he was He. was Gramps. >> It was Gramps. >> And he was not even good Gramps. >> I mean, and to be mean to you, like, come on, dude. Like, that's just pick a. struggle. Okay. >> He hated me. Like, I'm like jealous. He. was jealous of you. He was jealous of. your light. Your angels disturbed his. demons. >> Do you know how people That's exactly. right. Do you know Do you know how. people bring us gifts cuz they love us? He would come in and throw those gifts.

They don't know who you are. They'd come. and take pictures of me out in public. He'd be like, "We cannot take pictures. out in public." Well, this man got. busted. >> He was taking my jewelry to these women. He was he was going to get tails. >> Who is hooking up with that? >> My followers. >> God, >> it was my followers. >> It's because it's wasn't for him. It was. for you. Because some women have a thing. where they want to be with the man that. the woman that they look up to is with.

It's really It's a weird sick dynamic. that parasocial relationships have. Well, her family found out and they were. like, "You're doing what with real talk. camps?" Because, you know, I'm kind of. >> I come across like, you know, back then. I was like, "Bye, Felicia. I've healed. from that even.". >> She's still in there, though. >> Yeah. She's so in there. Like, I I fight. for people like I did for her. >> Yeah. >> But. I went online and all these people, he. was standing there in a picture like. this.

>> and he had his hands crossed and people. were like, "Does anybody know whose. husband this is?" They knew who husb. >> and so they said, "Does anybody know. whose husband?" Everybody knew I'm sure. they knew it was Real Talk camps, but. they were trying to probably protect me, too, cuz they were I mean, for the most. part, people were pretty kind to me. And. that boy had cheated on me and that. woman's family and found out. And come.

to find out, he'd been married more than. I knew. No. And all of his exes were reaching. out to me saying, "Yes, finally. Real. talk was going to take him down.". >> You're like, "Why? Where were you guys. at when we were married? Like, why. didn't you guys warn me then?". >> They did. >> Oh, okay. All right. >> Oh, girl. They they they reached out to. me on Facebook. They were like, "Run. Don't be with this man. He is he is a. devil." And Mimi was like, "Well, what's. going to happen if he's like that?" I'm. like, "We'll just get divorced.".

>> I wasn't in ministry. I'm just going to. keep taking my chances till I find this. this healer that's just going to come in. and take care of me. And by this time, my dad's got dementia, a. >> you know, so it was like I I he was like. my savior. He got busted and girl, I went by that church, threw that phone. down on that sofa. I come back from. Beluxy went straight to that church. And. I remember he laid his head down on that. desk and said, "I knew I was going to.

get caught.". >> GH. and I was like, "It is over.". >> I love that you had enough strength. though to walk away and you were just. like, "You know what? No, you're not. going to do this anymore." So, take me. on that journey after you kick Gramps to. the curb. >> Well, I started, you know, in this. process too, I wrote books. I wrote. seven books. >> Yeah. And so there I wrote one last I. wrote uh uh the the one book was uh shut. hell up. >> and that that year I released that and I.

think that's what gave me the the. courage girl was I get sick of people. staying in these marriages with these. people because God hates divorce, >> right? >> But God loves the divorce. Isn't there a. thing in the Bible though that says that. when a man is unfaithful to a woman that. he he. >> wants you to leave? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> But that who cares? Like even if you're. in a marriage and I I get strong for. this. >> Yeah. >> I get dragged. >> unhappiness.

>> But God doesn't expect you to stay in a. relationship where y'all are killing. each other. >> Right. Exactly. >> And I think so many of us do that. Why. would I stay in a relationship with this. man that was not nice to me? you know, pretending that everything was so great. and hating my life because I was afraid. I was going to lose my ministry if we. got divorced cuz I was going to be. third. >> And how could you preach to your full. potential when you're literally being. just. >> I did it drugged down at home. Well, I. remember during the pandemic, it was.

right when the pandemic had started and. and and I started live at nines and I. did live at nines because he had been. busted and he wouldn't get out of my. house and he said, "I'm not getting out. of out of that house unless you give me. XYZ." And I was like, "Over my dead. body." I was like, "Oh, >> he sounds like a real peach, this guy.". Okay. He was filling his truck up when I. was traveling and I mean it was bad. >> And it was the devil was really trying. to make me hate trying to break. >> cuz I could ruin. >> because you were doing the Lord's work.

Yeah. So he was coming at you with. daggers from every angle. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And I wrote that book, Shut Hell Up, and. uh I started doing live at nines and you. could hear in the back him slamming. cabinets and stuff and then getting up. in church and worshiping and stuff. So. you know what that was too? That was a. trigger from what I'd been raised in. >> So it was like right before my major. push, God puts another phariseical fake. phony in my house. >> Mhm. >> And it was like I had a last encounter.

of. >> Kim, you got to get all that junk off of. you. Like you you you got to fall head. over heels and stop trying to handle. things with your mouth. is I remember I. wrote that book, started doing live at. nines and um and I did a sermon called. morning move and that morning move is. what caused me to really. find that I can preach. It don't matter. what I've walked through I'm going to. I'm going to walk through this. Lost my.

daddy three months later to dementia. I. I'd already taken over the church three. years before that. So my dad had been, you know, a part of the like he got to. see. >> transition. >> He got to see he got he was my biggest. my biggest cheerleader. >> And so I had full redemption on all all. areas. But I I had written my sixth book. which was so huge for me because I was. in special ed my whole life and. literally on a short bus. And it was. like that sixth book, Shut Hell Up, was.

me finally speaking out of my mouth, never again will we allow those. triggers. Never again. Because in the. book, I had to break down what are. triggers. Why do we keep falling in love. with the same people with different. faces? Why do we stay in situations? Because we're afraid of people in a free. app. Why do we? And so I was breaking all. this down and I was walking through. breaking soul ties, breaking. generational curses. So I was walking. through it as well.

>> Yes. >> And in that process, our church just. began to explode. >> I was so fulfilled. My daddy died. I. whipped my mama up. My little 72year-old. mama that had never lived. She had. literally for the last five years taken. care of my dad like was a little boy. I had no I mean he would run away and. we'd have to go find him. That's how how. how bad he was. >> And I I I saw my mom go into the grief.

and I just whipped her up, took her on. the row with me. Um watched her evolve. I watched her write a book. >> the at 72. >> sleeping with a stranger. >> I watched her glow up. Me and her bow. started glowing up. >> Yeah. You're going over your mama. the. house. >> that I was living in in Fagetville, the. first house that I'd ever lived alone. Like I'd always lived with a man and of.

my husband's. And I lived there for 5. years by myself. >> Look at you. >> And I just took took took hold of my. life and never looked back. >> You fell in love with yourself. You fell. in love with yourself and you started a. relationship with yourself and you. started discovering who you were so that. now that you enter into this. relationship, you can be a whole. >> Yeah. I remember selling my house and it. was such a scary thing for me because. I'm doing all these things women. couldn't do. >> for the for the Christianity. And uh I.

told God I was like, "Man, I just want. to I feel like I want to move downtown. and live in a high-rise, but why? There's nobody down there. My church is. five minutes away. And I said, "God, if. this is you, because I'm I'm I'm now for. Jesus like I was in the world, you know, like we're doing this dog on thing. Like, I ain't scared. >> I'll start a building tomorrow. I'll. start a business, you know, but it's all. for good now." And I said, "God, if it's. your will for me to sell this house, you'll sell it.

>> in seven days, and I want to make. $250,000. I want all my money back.". That man got. girl with the first 17 people. That was. 17 people walked in that house and they. all put bids on my house. >> Wow. >> And I walked out of there with more than. I had asked for. >> and then I had to go downtown and find. this house and I told God exactly what I. wanted. I found the exact condo. >> and five minutes down the road is where. I met my husband. I would have never met. him if I wouldn't have moved.

>> Can we bring Angelo in? I know you guys. don't do a lot of product. Get over. here. We got a microphone for you, too. >> You have to come over. >> Y'all y'all hear me? Do y'all hear me. talking about him in church? I'll slow. loop. Y'all get to witness it. >> That's how my best friend Monica is. She. takes forever to get out of the car. I'm. like I start a countdown every time I. get out of the car and I'm already at. the door and I'm like, "All right, Mo.". You know, like, "Let's go.". >> I love it. Cuz. >> come on down. We got to put a face. >> Sit as close as you can. >> Yeah, we got to put a face with the.

name. Oh yeah, he's over here snoring. >> He's over here snoring. >> Oh, put me to sleep. >> You know what? I think that that what. you and I are experiencing with the. freedom of just living life. >> and being able to do all these great. things. You and Jelly. >> Thank you. Yeah. >> You know, is that. >> y'all have y'all y'all minister and. don't even know it, but now I know why. Like, it totally makes sense to me.

Makes me want to read your book even. more. >> Oh, I appreciate that. I downloaded your. book last night. I haven't uh um I. forget which one. >> Whole bag coming. >> Oh, you do? >> I got you, Bible BDY. >> Y. >> I've got you God's girl. Everything from. my store is coming. >> I love it. Oh my gosh. Thank you so. much. We'll get you some merch, too. We're about to drop merch as soon as um. I'm done with this podcast. >> Where's your book? >> Uh my book comes out February 17th now. We pushed it to February 17th at 2026. And we're doing a whole book tour. Like. it's it's going to be fun. It's going to.

be. >> I love it. >> Angelo, >> this is my sweet Angelo. >> Welcome to the show. >> I love this man. >> So, I met him at at right down the. street. >> This is Let's just say I replace all. three of them. >> Oh, listen. When you walked in the room, I felt the alpha male energy. I was. like, "Oh, this is Big Papa. Big Papa. just walked in. He's got his Louis. Vuitton suit on." Like, you guys are. just a stylish little couple. I love. this so much. And I love how much cuz.

you remind me of me. Anytime I talk. about my husband, I just light up and I. smile and I just like you. It's like you. can't fake that. Like you're really. >> showed us what we've always wanted. >> Exactly. He's your safe space. >> Mhm. >> Like I know this man would he you he. likes to smoke. >> Yeah. >> And he will he will fight for me, you. know. And that's why you're like that. with Jelly Roll, too, because. >> Oh, I am so protective over him. I go. I'm always in the headlines for sticking. up for him. I stuck up for him so much. that my husband told me, "Please stop. sticking up for me." He was like, "You.

don't have to do that anymore. You don't. have to do that. >> I love that.". >> He's like, He's like, "I know you love. me." He's like, "Let people say what. they're going to say. You can't throw. it." What do you say? >> How long y'all been married? >> Uh, 10. It'll be 10 years in August. So, nine years. We've known each other 10. years. Married. Nine years. >> I love that. >> Yeah. He's my baby. So, you guys met. Tell me all about this. >> So, so I went out to eat on a Sunday. night. I love that he's kind of shy. >> Well, I mean, it's different from being. at home on our podcast cuz, you know, I.

kind of take over, so I don't want to. just take over since we did. >> Oh, gotcha. I mean, please take over. We. want to hear you talk. >> Shy. I see him rubbing his knee over. there. He's a little shy. >> I'm really proud of him because he's. come in my world and he's killing it, you know? I mean, it's kind of like, you. know, you you know, you like this guy. >> and you're a guy that's coming from the. neighborhood. M. >> and we talking on a podcast. >> My friends talk on podcast. They talk in. sports. >> Now you've had to learn about Jesus.

>> Where are you? Where are you from, Angelo? Where are you from? Like. >> I'm from Jacksonville, Florida. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, um he say it's kind of it's. kind of was different than I was just. watching her on this podcast and I was. like and I see I see them talking her. mom and stuff and and I came out really. kind of in a jumpsuit all white. >> I said I'm ready. you just put me in. here. She said, "Come sit down." I said, "You sure?" She said, "Yeah." I said, "Well, make sure they don't see my. socks.

>> We can't see your socks here either.". And that's and that just broke him in. >> And the first thing I saw when I go and. look at the podcast. >> was your socks. >> What's my socks? >> Oh, no. They didn't zoom in. >> Yeah. Like, whoa. >> I can promise you no socks in this. podcast. >> But I'm fresh to death now. You can show. me. >> I'm fresh to death right now. I mean, it's different. >> I love it. I love it. >> I'm just so thankful, man, that I get to. to get to love like this in my 50s. >> I've gotten to hear her how she feels.

about you. I want to hear what it was. like for you when you first met her. >> Well, when she we met outside of the. garden area, the St. regions. and she was eating with her her brother. and his wife and I heard the voice all. the way over here with some guys and let. me make a detour the bathroom behind me. >> I'm going to go back this way where I. can see what she looked like cuz I hear. the voice. And.

>> did were you attracted to the voice? >> Yes, I was. >> Yeah, I was I was attracted to the voice. and stuff. It wasn't like Phyllis Dillis. or nothing like this. The voice loud, you know. It wasn't that loud, you know. >> Right. Right. Right. He said I was a. little aggressive, man. >> But I heard I heard the voice. I said, "Let me kind of go over here and look.". Okay. And she got this big patch of of. Gucci jacket on. >> I made these, you know. I just It's like. my She had So I had a Gucci jacket. >> She had a whole Gucci sweatsuit.

>> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Little white girl got. a little fresh on, got a little style. You know, I'm in I'm in the ATL like, you know, we we see we see what swag. look like. >> Yeah. Yeah. Know, you guys are swagged. out out there. >> Yeah, we see it. So, and I'm hearing the. voice and I say, "Well," and I walk. past, I was like, "Okay, hey, you know, those wings, you know, those wings uh. taste real good.". >> I guess I was kind of like dropping my. little line. It was like It was weak and. stuff. >> It was weak. >> I love that though, though. I didn't. think that was weak at all. Like, that.

was weak. >> I said, "But I'm here.". >> But I'm here. Yes, >> I'm here cuz her brother her brother's. here and I just like okay and I just. went to the bathroom and I came back and. you know she was like yeah they are good. and I'm like okay um 3 months later now. we back at the same place friend of mine. asked me hey you want to hang out like. okay well yeah I'm thinking about it and. it was about two hours he man this guy. don't stood me up I'm going on my own.

now and I meet him there and I'm looking. at the corner of my eyes and I'm sitting. I'm sitting here by this fireplace and. he gets up. Let me go ask him see if. they like fireplace. and I'm like she messing with these. people and. I looked over the corner of my eyes and. I can see her. and she turned around and look and all I. see is her face like.

>> and I can read her. was anxiety. I can. read. >> Had you thought about him after that. first initial meeting? >> I never dated a black man in my life. Was you. >> all of a sudden I see this black man? I'm like, yes, I thought of him. >> No, answer the question. >> Yes, I like I was raised. No, I was. raised though. >> No. Was you thinking about me? >> And he made me think about think about. me cuz I only say the wings. You guys had after the wing comment, you.

guys had never talked. I never gave it. on separate ways. I remember telling my. brother, I said, "That is a good looking. man right there. Look how big he is.". >> And I started working out. >> But but but I thought I got if I'm going. to get somebody like him, I got to get. myself snatched. >> But this is a place this is a place. where, you know, it's a Friday night. people out. You you see women all the. time. >> You see from Atlanta housewife, whoever. it is, from this people there, and you.

get hit on. So, I'm used to that type, but I'm used to I wasn't used to that. It was just kind of like, okay, it was. like my little lion and it it it must be. work. So, I saw her face and I'm like, okay. >> And then I scooted over. >> Were you still waiting the tutus and the. blonde hair? >> No, no, no, no, no, no. This was only 3. years ago. >> Oh, no, no, no. >> He said, "No.". >> So, I retired my tutus when I took over. our church. >> Okay, gotcha. >> And I'm I'm going to be pastor six. years. She was she was kind of like in.

the Mrs. Brady like type though like not. like. >> ah not the Florence Henderson. >> Yeah. Yeah. She she had a little bit of. that going on. So I say you know and we. start she and so so actually I got up. and my friend he already done parlay. over here. >> Yeah. >> So I got up and I'm like let me come. over here and stuff and she said you can. you can sit right here. >> She said. >> Kim was not shy but I was I was shy. >> Oh no. She was like, >> "But I'm going to let him get away this. time.".

>> Oh, she said, "You can sit right here.". >> Like I would call Chachi. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Chachi. >> And I was like, "Okay." I said, and I. >> and I got real I I was like, "Girl, you. got to learn how to flirt." Like I ain't. never know how to flirt in my life. But. I was like, "We can't let him get away.". >> Oh. >> I said, "You must have got. >> and this ain't church.". >> And I was asking I said, "Well, I. guess.". >> So you couldn't hide behind the pull. >> Hide behind the pull pit. >> I was like, "Are you you seem like. you're tall? You got long legs or. something?" I don't know. I said, "Yes, I got long legs.". >> I love this.

>> And then and then we talked, man, for. four hours. A. >> and she we tal I think we we talked and. you you gave me your number. She said, "Put my number in your phone.". >> And then you said, "That's real talk, Kim." I said, "You real proud of. yourself?" Hey, real talk him. >> But I knew he'd go find me. >> No, cuz I didn't I didn't worry about. social media and stuff. I'm like, I'm. I'm the I'm the real deal. When I go. outside of the social media, people that. go out, people that's on social media. come out. They're not the real deal. >> Angela's an OG.

>> Yeah. >> Oh my gosh. >> I'm I'm the real deal in live person. No. matter if it's I don't care who's who it. is. >> I'm I'mma fit in that room. Yeah. And. I'mma be the realest one that's in. there. No matter what kind of no matter. what they got going on in their life, their bank account is gone. They not. real. Mhm. >> So, I knew so I. >> I didn't pay attention to social media, right? >> I had a business website that I was only. brokering high-end cars, >> right? >> I didn't want to play no games. A DM. I.

didn't know what a DM was. >> So, you didn't give him your number, you. only gave him your social number to he. sent me Drew Hill beauty. >> A before I went to bed. >> A look at you. >> And that next morning, he popped on my. prayer call and I saw him. I was like, "Wow.". >> He found me. Real talk. That's why I say. Real Talk Kim. >> And when I say real talk, Kim, >> what did you think of when you went on. social media? >> I was I got up. I was on her live and. and I'm like, um, I'm hearing people. talking. I'm like, man, well, it was the.

I think I caught it the next day after. that. And I was like, this is trashy. People talking back and forth, disrespectful. And then I woke up that morning and got. on the live. They were saying her nose. I said, "Man, I totally like that. I. love your nose.". >> Your nose is so big. It's in me a nose. I like your nose. >> I love your nose. And And I'm giving. these. So she like, "Thanks for the. hearts." So I'm thinking like, "Let me. give some hearts." And I didn't I didn't.

know that was taking my money. >> I didn't know that was taking money out. of my bank account. >> He's like, "GIVE THEM BACK.". >> LIKE, "GIVE ME THE HEARTS BACK.". >> LIKE ALL the hearts and stuff. I'm like. feeling all the hearts up and stuff. Like a month later, I'm looking at, man, these things. >> That is so funny. >> Like social media out of Apple. I'm. like, what? I ain't bought anything. You. know what? I'm like, >> I'm like, man. So, I don't know if I. want to go to her church cuz his heart's. already getting dispensed. I. >> ALREADY PUT IN OFFERING. This was my.

offering. >> I'm like, now you know you belong. Hey, from me. >> And then he said he told a friend about. a preacher lady, man. And the man said, "Run, don't you take all your money?". >> To me, it's like me buying her a drink. out on gave you my heart. She kind of. like belong to me now. You buy somebody. a drink, you know, she like belong to. me. So. >> yeah, >> I love that. And so it was after that, you. >> showed up at my church and did not tell. me on Sunday and we were packed. Our. church is God really has blessed us. So.

you can't find places to sit. >> Well, she really didn't tell me she was. a preacher. >> I did. >> while we were sitting. >> I did. >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Back up. Back up. She didn't tell me. she was a preacher. sort of. >> Yeah, >> I want to give the lights. >> I was like, he go run if he knows I'm a. preacher. >> She just told me, uh, come to her. church, you know, her church. She do, you know, come. every woman say, "Come to my church.". >> So, you thought you guys were going to.

be sitting in the pew together. You. didn't know that she was going to be the. one. >> I've been I've been invited to a lot of. women say, "Come to my church." It ain't. their church. That's TDJ's church, right? You should say that. You didn't. even say my dad. And some of them some. of them will tell you my daddy is the. preacher, right? >> So I know I ain't going. >> Right. Right. >> I ain't dealing with the daddy and the. pre and the church and he's the pastor. So it's no way. So when I So I was like, "Okay, yeah, I'll be there." And I'm. >> But he did not tell me. >> Yeah. So I'm thinking like, she said, "Well, we got probably two services." I.

said, "I know I ain't going to come to. all three of them. Two or three service, >> especially after the harvest.". >> Oh, no. >> You're getting you're getting limited. time, honey. So it was something about, you know, um, >> but when you walked in, >> when you walk in and see her preaching, how does that make you feel? Are you. like, "Oh my god, >> the church was packed.". >> Wow. >> Church was packed. Walked in, they. greeted me, and I and I always tell the. staff that now. I walked in, they.

greeted me, and it was like, man, this. like this church, it seemed like I'm It. seemed like everybody had their eyes on. me and stuff, and it's kind of like dark. in there, too. So you got to think I'm. and these girls was behind me and they. was like, "Can you sit down here? There. wasn't some seats there." So I followed. them. Okay. Well, I'm sitting next to. them. >> and he walks up front because we put new. seats up here cuz we were just trying to. shove people in. I saw this man walk out. about passed out. >> They thought they had the best seat and. then one of your staff member came. >> cuz I saw you. I was like, "Oh no, he.

got to move.". They came and got me and like put me. over here like. >> guess I'll see y'all the next next. >> I'm going to VIP. >> I'm going to VIP. >> He said I'm going to VIP, baby. >> Over here to the upper room over here. >> No, my mother reached over to me and she. goes, "Who is that?" And I said, "I I've. been talking to him. I met him at at a. restaurant." And she goes, "Kimberly, this is the Super Bowl Sunday of. Christianity.". >> It was Easter. >> Don't let him distract you. Ah, I love.

mom. >> Oh my god. I love mom. >> She was like, "Don't you let that man. distract you. You got to give him. Jesus.". >> And did you give him Jesus? >> Girl, I gave him I probably preached one. of my best sermons. Don't you think? >> Oh yeah. >> It was like. >> She haven't even preached no more since. then since I like. >> ARE YOU KIDDING ME? >> Don't you say no. >> When I tell you this man lives, he he. >> we got to go back dating again or. something. You got to scare. >> what I preached that Sunday like he.

>> Yeah, Jesus in the. >> Lazarus coming for and I just saw her. and it seemed like the uh the praise. team, the drummer just got louder. Boom. boom boom and she had these six I was. jumping out of the tube 6 in heels. jumping out of the. >> You liked it, huh? >> Yeah. And it was it was so crazy that me and.

my sister always go. >> go to this restaurant for Easter. >> I love that he's remembering all these. like little things like that is really. sweet. >> I love this. >> It was It was so crazy that me and my. sister always go for Easter to this this. dinner, >> right? >> And I cancelled at the last minute. She. called. She said, "We still going to. dinner?" I said, "No, I'm think I'm I'm. just going to I I don't want to go." So. we I ate dinner with her and her mom on. Easter. >> and my sons. >> Yeah. >> Like was that not crazy? Yeah.

>> And you guys have been together ever. since. >> And now my sister, you know, I don't. have time for her anymore. >> You got to just invite sister to the to. the the part the dinners now. >> Listen, I remember when he started. coming and and my mother, we were me and. my mom were driving to church about a. week after that and she said, "Kim, I. want to tell you something." And I said, "What?" She said, "Let this man be him.". >> No. Don't you try to change this man. >> Mom loved him. >> Loved him. >> She said, "Don't you let nobody try to. make him a preacher. Don't you make him.

come to your church. If he wants to. come, he can't. When he wants to, he. can't. But he is. You let this man just. see where it goes.". >> Yeah. >> And let him be. >> And I did. And now he's running the. church. >> three years later. >> A look at you. I love this. I love love. and I love happy endings. And for you to. be her happy ending, you must be. something special. >> I'm just so thankful, Bunny. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> and I'm sure he's thankful for you, too. >> I think the thing is with with with any.

guy, uh, he want to know what it looked. like before you get into it, >> right? Yes. >> And any guys that jump into any. marriage, >> then they going to keep jumping into. marriage. And I was thinking when I was. watching her preach, I would go watch. this pastor that I always used to watch. on and because this was almost like a. year after co. >> and people took a while for them to. start getting back going into churches.

So I would watch her uh then I well I. would close out watch her for a minute. and I always was watching how things was. looking. >> right. >> and now kind of you know you're looking. on the outside now you're in the inside. >> Mhm. >> So how do you. >> So he's fixed it all. Everything he. thought need to be fixed he's come in. and help fix it. >> A. >> how do you want to how do you want to. better your church and better your. community? >> That's a teammate though. That's two. people that can come together and you. can always tell when a couple is good. for each other because they evolve and.

they level up. That's exactly what my. husband Sorry there's hair flying. everywhere from my dog. Um that's. exactly what Jay and I have done in the. past 10 years that we've been together. is literally it's we don't stay the same. each year. We level up. You have to. You. have to. That is so important in a. relationship because when you stay the. same that's when. >> and I feel like it's rare. >> Yes. I feel like people don't just let. their spouses be them. It's like you try. to change them. >> No, you can't. You can't do that. >> You got to grow together and the only.

way they're going to grow is that they. feel freedom to do that. >> Absolutely. And you want to be a safe. space and you if you're nagging on at a. man constantly or if a man is nagging. you. Nobody wants to be told that. they're doing wrong all the time or that. they need to be somebody that they're. they're genuinely not. But when you pour. love into that relationship, it just. blossoms. >> Yeah. I'm excited for you and look at. us. Look at you guys new. >> I remember he told me, hey, he told me. whenever we were dating, it was probably. what, six, seven months. He said, you. need to do something to your hair.

>> And I was like, what do you mean? He was. like, you need to get a style. And I'm. like, I'm white. >> White people don't get styles. He says, yes, they do. And I remember one day on. my prayer call, I said, y'all, wigs, what do I do? You know, cuz I'm in. this in in between stage. >> I found out women are the ones that. started wigs. White women are the ones. that started wigs and extensions. >> Really? I had no idea. >> Before any anybody. >> Wow. >> And so I went and got me extensions and. >> seen nothing but.

>> now and glowed up for him. >> and now I love it. >> We work out together. I didn't go to a. gym. >> You guys are best friends. You guys are. best friends and that's a huge huge. testament to you guys' relationship. >> Yeah. Well, I figure we we'll change for. each other. >> There's certain clothes that I probably. never wear. Yeah. >> Yeah. I would never like. >> I love this. I thought when he walked in. I was like this is something I would. wear with heels. Like I think it's so. cute. >> Yeah. I would be. I love it when I was like no I'm not. going to put this on you know cuz I was.

still just old school with it. >> So I was kind of like man let now now. when you start feeling it then you know. I kind of just she she'll drip some of. it. Now I can drip myself. I drip she. drip a little then I drip with her. And. then I just kind of she was working out. So now I introduced her, >> went to the gym and kind of working out. a little bit. >> I had bat wings. I was like fat just. >> Did you do it all natural or did you use. GLP1 or natural? >> Yeah. Good for you. >> But it's been 72 lbs over four years.

>> Oh yeah. No, it's a Let me tell you. something about fat loss. It is a slow. process and that nobody tells you. >> And I would do Jail Pete. Look, don't. don't get me wrong. I'm not scared. >> I'm about to get on it. I don't. >> I ain't scared of it. I would do it in a. heartbeat. >> Me too. If I was having trouble, I would. do it. So, anybody out there struggling, do what you need. >> Do what you need to do. >> Don't let nobody tell you nothing else. >> Angelo, I'm so happy you came and sat. down with us. You are so sweet. Kim, >> thank you. >> I have held you for what, almost 3. hours? >> No.

>> Has it been. >> two hours? Almost two and a half hours. that we have been talking. And. >> so, you cut a bunch of that out. >> I could sit here and talk to you. forever. >> Really? >> Yeah. I could sit here and talk to you. forever. >> I talked about stuff I ain't talked. about. I want you to come back though. because I didn't get to talk to you. about everything. Like I want to sit. down with you and kind of really pick. your brain and like get questions from. people because you know there's so many. people I feel like God is making a. movement on the world right now. >> And I feel like there's so many people. out there that want to change and don't. know how.

>> And I think maybe if maybe we'll come to. Atlanta and I'll rent a studio and we'll. sit down and I'll just pick your brain. and we'll just talk. >> We could do it in my penthouse. >> Okay. I would like about the elementary. stuff cuz we don't we don't know about. half of the stuff happened with she was. she was shying away from this. I wanted. I kind of wanted to hear it too like you. know your childhood and. >> I know I don't talk about it cuz he I. kept trying to pull disrespectful. >> No, no, no, no. I'm I'm not. disrespectful. It doesn't You're doing a. good job.

>> Maybe there's something there. >> No, you you throw you doing some when. you throwing those daggers like that. So. that's what you want. And it ain't. really about who you was married to cuz. they don't define you. >> Not at all. >> But when we when you pulling and when. you pull and say, "Hey, what happened in. 10th grade? What happened in the sixth. grade? What happened?". >> Yeah. >> And I remember. >> it's a lot of women that's fighting. that's hiding it. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> There was something there. >> Well, we definitely need a part two. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm going to come out and visit you. Yeah. We We'll come to you guys. >> I would love that. And then we can even.

because there's so many people looking. for God. And I think it was important. for us to tell this part. >> because you can look at my life and see. my fruit. >> Yeah. >> Outlifts every lie ever spoken about me. >> Absolutely. Yeah. >> And that God doesn't write you off. He's. waiting for you with arms wide open. He's not a mean God. You and I have. proven that to these people. >> Six feet or 10 speed. >> And so what? >> Six feet or 10 speed. >> for what? >> Bicycle that you had when you was a kid. >> Oh, now you're going to try to be a. therapist. >> Angela, that's for part two. Yeah, >> we're going to sit down with you for.

part two. >> I'm going to get all in it cuz I do skip. over it. I'm going to be I'm going to be. praying about it. >> Yeah. No, pray about it. And when you're. ready, talk about it cuz it's my job to. talk to try to pull it out of you. But. it's also your job to talk about it when. you're ready. And nobody can force you. to talk about stuff you don't want. >> I really Oh, I'm not I'm definitely not. afraid to talk about I think I just. You're right. I think there was just so. much that I So, I would definitely talk. about it. >> Yeah. It could have been It could even. have been when we came out of United. Pentecost and it was a trigger because.

all of a sudden we could do everything. that we were told we couldn't do. >> Yeah. >> And then 250 people walked out of our. church. >> And so that probably was where I just. >> well right on over it. >> I feel like when you're under a thumb. and under a microscope at such a young. age also, you get to a point where you. just don't it's de gaff. You do not give. a and you're just like let's let's roll. I'm ready to do whatever I wasn't. allowed to do and what I was told not to. do. So, I think you did what every child.

who has ever had religious trauma. >> Yeah. >> did. But the cool thing about it is you. were able to pull yourself out of it. And look at you now. You've written. seven books. >> And my babies work for I got two sons. They work in church with me. >> I mean, that's amazing. >> Like everything that should have been. horrible, God turned it around and he'll. do it for everybody. >> Tell everybody where they can find you. if they want to go to your church. Uh if. you have any online stuff that people. can watch every Sunday, stuff like that, just shout it all out. >> Y'all listen. Come to If you live in.

Atlanta, Georgia, Limitless Church, 1653, Highway 85 South, Fatville, Georgia, 30215. We're there every. Sunday, 10 and 11:30. And you are y'all, everybody come. You are welcome. You're. going to feel so loved. And if you can't. make it to Atlanta into our physical. building, it's across from Whitewater. High School in Fatefield. So that's your. mile marker. But if you can't make it in. the building, we have live streaming on. my Real Talkim YouTube channel every.

Sunday 10:00 and 11:30. >> Yay. >> And so you can watch it and then you can. find me on realtalkkim.com, which is my. website. >> Uh, and that's I have a store. I have. great books. I got seven great books. >> Seven books. >> that will help you get that. >> one. I can't even imagine writing seven. >> All my books, too, are about getting. unstuck. >> Every single book has given you, >> you're a savage. >> Listen, get unstuck because of what I. just talked about. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> I've walked through all of that and. every book is about different seasons in. there. >> I love that. Angela, what about you? Do.

you have social media? >> Well, >> Real Talk Kim. >> Real Talk Kim. >> I love it. Her biggest supporter. >> He said he don't want people fight. He. said, "I don't want your crazy friends. finding me.". >> No, you do not. You don't want the. interwebs on there. Thank you guys so. much for coming today. I appreciate you. so much. I love you back and I hope. >> Oh, we have a podcast. >> Oh, we have a podcast. We have a. podcast. It's on all over all social. medias. Uh Real Talk Cam as well and. he's on there with me. >> That's one. >> Yeah, he's on he's on all my podcasts.

>> I love it. Thank you guys so much for. coming. I love you, too. And this is the. beginning of a friendship and I'm just. so excited to see where it goes. I'm so. >> And I love this. You're little Bible. batty with me now. A thank I love the. Bible, Baddy. I love that. We actually. we want one of my books to be called The. Bunny Bible. So. >> Oh, I love it. >> I love that. >> Bunny Bible. >> A Thank you guys for coming and thank. you guys for tuning in to another. episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you. guys next week. Bye.