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Bunny XO. Bunny XO. Is this thing on? Hi babies, welcome. back to season 8. Today I have a triple. threat. I mean I don't even know. I.

think he might be quadruple threat, but. this man needs no introduction. Mr. MGK in the house, baby. >> Hi everybody. You've had a day. I've had yeah, it's. been a gnarly 96 hours for sure. I feel. like you don't ever stop though. No, this was my first four-day music. video shoot which you were in. Yeah. Cool. And thank you for having us. Let's. talk about it. What What was What was. the video shoot about? Um well, it was.

visually inspired by Beyond the Pines. I. think story wise as well. The first 20 minutes anyway. Mhm. Yeah, if you guys are going to watch. If you're going to watch Beyond the. Pine, don't watch any more than 30 After. Ryan Gosling has his moment, don't watch. it. >> It is It's quite the thrill kill. Yeah. It's like a thrill and then it's just. like what happens. >> and you're like. wait a minute. Like he he He's on every. poster. This movie has to be about him. Yeah, that that was kind of a trip, but.

aesthetically that I love riding. motorcycles. I think telling the story. of uh. lower middle class struggling family and. relationship is. really what I grew up seeing. So. it was something that felt um. right to do on a song that everyone. keeps telling me is a hit. So I think the glamorous.

approach was obvious and I kind of went. the other way and and kept it G like how. me and Jelly's. um. background is. You guys went back to. your roots. I think. absolutely. And I think like we you know. we wrapped for. You know when you get it when you. are exploring yourself in front of all. these cameras and in the industry um. Sorry, guys.

These are some beautiful cats by the. way. Yeah, these are some awesome cats that. just walked in. They're like dad's home. But when you're exploring yourself in. front of the cameras. and you know you're seeing success and. you know you obviously idolize people. and lifestyles and things you kind of. you know you're you're doing. your own outfit changes metaphorically. towards. what you think would look cool with this. era, what would look cool with that era. And this era for me after uh.

all the glitz and glam of the last run. that I've had. is just back to my roots, man. I went. all the way to the top and I am just. like. all right, I've seen it. I'm so excited. >> I'm out. I am so excited to deep dive. all of this with you. Um so circling back to the video though. So the song is for Lonely Roads which my. husband is going to be featuring on. And. that's out right now. Yes. >> Cuz when the when the time this drops.

it's going to be out. So you guys need. to go listen to it. >> Yeah. And when do you think the music. video is going to drop? Is it going to. drop before? I think the music video. will be out by the time this is out. So. >> Yes, so you guys got to go watch it cuz. it's going to be awesome. I I feel really it's my I don't really. know what to do with my hands. Is it. cool if I roll a cigarette or something? >> course. I would sit back, you know. This. is your house. So. I'm not telling you what to do on your. couch. Um so you have talked a lot about. your childhood and I could just kind of. want to go back in time a little bit.

with you on that. Can we speak on your. childhood a little bit? Yeah, if I've. spoken on my childhood. you know, if you're reflecting on past. interviews, I don't really know how far. they go back, but some of them. was a very insecure. I Excuse me. Insecure was speaking on just almost any. interview I had done in which I covered. myself with a egoic exoskeleton, but as. far as my childhood. some of that I've I've spoke on in a way.

that. I was still just very confused and very. angry. And so I I do. not stand by everything that I said um. about the people in my life and my. childhood because. they deserve forgiveness and something. different than the way that I may have. uh. just you know. So anyway, a person can change. >> kind of made me want to tear up because. anybody that's ever.

Let me get a hold of myself here. Anybody that's ever dealt with childhood. trauma has gone through a time in their. life where they were just so angry that. they've said so many things about the. people that were in their life that. until you get to a a breakthrough and. you come I don't want to say come out of. the darkness because I feel like we're. always sort of going to have one foot. in. Um but when you get to a point where you. can look at them with love or. forgiveness is huge. And. they're just big kids.

I as a parent. I don't know what the [ __ ] I'm doing. every single day Mhm. of my life as a. parent. You're just figuring it out. constantly. But hopefully doing it with love. Absolutely. And. sometimes. like in my situation with my father, he. was so tormented. from. some of the most.

insane [ __ ]. that I could imagine a kid. could go through. that. he had to. figure it out. But. with almost every possible. bad circumstance going against him too. So it's it's. it's almost like the expectations are. too high. Mhm. Because we think uh.

that they're just that that they know. everything because we're we grew up. looking up at them, but they. we we're we're all just lost in trying. to figure it out. I feel like you've. been fighting since you came out of the. womb. Um I'm just looking down at my. notes here, but it says, you know, you. you were born with your umbilical cord. wrapped around your neck, correct? >> Yeah. >> So I mean you were already fighting the. minute that you came out. Yeah. Um when. you were born, you had your mom and your dad. I don't. ever really hear you talk about your mom. a lot. And a lot of the stuff that I got.

from your childhood I didn't take from. interviews. I kind of If you listen to. your music, you tell a story. Right. >> You speak a lot about your life in music. and I think that anybody that is you. know, a fan of your yours or listener of. yours would know that. Yeah. I saved a lot of my. interview moments for my lyrics. So I. think a lot of my childhood is. represented in in my songs. Um. My mom and I actually.

have reconnected in a really. intense way in the past. three or four years. Um. You know, that's how all of my fam. family is. They're they're all from Norway. They're. extremely Norwegian. So very stoic. Mhm. You know, so the emotional side of. things I get from my father who was very. um. You know, he wore everything on his. sleeve, right? So like.

his. depression was very obvious. His. need for. for love was very you know, like. uh. I was I. I wish I wish I could have told him. um. before he died that I was really. inspired by how emotional he was and. like how. I thought that was really cool in. hindsight. Because I am very emotional as well. Probably cuz everything in my chart is. so Pisces, but.

um. Yeah, I was saying that on July 5th, it's the same day Hotel Diablo came out. Uh but that's also the day he died and. it and it trips me out cuz on the album. I said doctors said my dad won't be here. a year from now and then a year to the. date he died. And then on that date this. year. I was outside and I was. um doing a ritual for him just to try. and see if I could channel any. uh.

if I could hear him at all. But I did tell him what I what I just. said. Sorry if I'm very long-winded. I. I'm pretty awkward as a human and so I I. don't really know if. what I'm saying if if anyone gives a So. maybe I'll just move on. What was the. What's the next question? >> have to apologize though. It's actually. beautiful what you say and it's so real. and I think people need to hear what you. have to say because there's a lot of. people who are working through including. myself where who I just lost my dad last.

month and I I know exactly what you're. going through with. you know, a father who was absent, you. know, in certain things and like you. know, just We're all dealing with. childhood trauma, but um your dad. actually. it says that um. your dad was tried at 9 years old for. his own father's death. Yeah. >> Can we talk about that? I think so. That's interesting that you.

Yeah. Yeah, sure. That has to contribute to how he was as. a father to you because. it seems like it was almost um. generational, like passed down. Yeah, every. medium that I've spoke to or seer that. I've spoke to says that there's a. generational curse on all the men in my. family that they will die alone. And they've all died alone.

I'm the seventh generation, which means. that I should be able to break the curse. and I was born on the 22nd, which is a. master number and the numerology behind. mine is a curse breaker. So, I do hope in this lifetime that I master. my best self and what I'm supposed to. do. It's a very difficult road that I'm. on right now with that and. my father's. uh. childhood journey definitely bled into. mine cuz we. we shared the same bed. The same bed for. um.

years. And I was. you know, the. the body. especially if you're intuitive or born. intuitive, your your body receives the. energy from all around you. So, you know, those years that my dad slept. um. depressed, I took on all that. And uh. I just remember finding. that. I always used to get so mad at him when.

I was a kid cuz if I scared him or he. heard a loud boom or a loud noise, he. would freak out. Like gnarly freak out. And I would be like, "You're supposed to be like you're. supposed to be a man, dude. Like why are. you acting like this?" And I would. we would you know, it just it made me. hate him. And then you sit there and you think. about. a kid who was on trial. at 9 years old for the of his father.

And knowing that. the police came and found the. underneath the bed. And the story that was told to me was. always that. you know, their dad dropped the. in his head. Essentially but. and so that all happened in the room. with my dad. At 9 years old. And so him and my grandmother were tried. for the. They were both acquitted.

I don't know how to have a very. interesting. talk with him on his bed about that. moment. Which. I think I'll leave that between me and. my father. You know, that led to a lot of like you. know, he had split personality and and. and. you know, schizophrenia runs really. heavy in my in that side of the family. Um.

So, a lot of things, man, that I've. taken on and I think. I've. projected myself to be somebody. who. has the stamina to endure. all of these. um. things that come with fame and.

um criticism and hate. because I. fought back with all those traumas by. becoming. what I always wanted my dad to be. Which was like tough and. you know, shake everything off and just. fight anyone who. you know, comes at you. I I I. I never understood why he. was so. closed.

But dude, I'm. tired and I'm really shy. uh. kid and in- internally. and really broken and I'm just now. fixing myself and I don't have the. energy to be. the image that I was. Because I'm also kind of sick of being. on an island alone where no one is. outside of my fans, you know, my fans. who really can read the music and read. into the music, sorry. But.

as far as like public persona, I'm. really really sick of being. what they think I am. So, I don't really know how I got onto that. from my dad's story, but. I don't know how you found that either. That's a very like. that's a very uh. quite the piece of information to. stumble upon. Um I just did a little bit of research. and I just you know, I try to figure out.

what makes people tick and who they are. and you know, I when I first met you, I. even told Jay, I was like, "This is a. sweet boy that just has a wall up. Something hurt him." And I just wanted. to kind of you know, and I'm sorry if I. interfered or anything like that with. with your process that's going on, but I. just kind of wanted to figure out like. you know, where is this hurt coming from. and you know, I just I um like to just. go deep and figure out, you know, Yeah, but what's the truth and I don't run. from the truth. You know, my my father. was on trial for 9 years old. Like I.

that I watched. every day. And you know, my mom who's who's such a. sweet woman who I. was was. molded to be so mad at. Molded by your dad? >> Yes. >> Okay. When did she leave? At 9. Okay. So, both my dad and I had interesting.

nine or nine or 10 years old. I think it. was nine or 10. And it wasn't and it. wasn't leave also. I I like I I I. I mean, she left, but also my father was. >> hard to deal with. Dude was gnarly, you know, like Yeah. Super gnarly. When was your dad's birthday? What sign. was he? >> December 30th. Capricorn. Mhm. And uh. so I you know, he would like with the. only word I I didn't hear the word mom.

during my whole teenage years. All I. heard was. Mhm. And my mom is like the sweetest Mhm. woman ever and she's a scientist and. she's so smart. And she's and and you know, she's. beautiful and she. you know, I I I really I really missed. her and I really regret missing. all those years. because of.

who. I was you know, those years are really important, you. know, people people shape you no matter. how much you try to be your own. >> Mhm. Absolutely. Um. so she helped me you know, to realize. that that. all those things that happened. especially just like that. Like you can. isolate just that. I mean, there was a. lot of. my family, you know, like my dad lost. his. his brother. My dad has a twin. They. were triplets. The triplet died at. birth.

Uh. and if you just isolate the you know, that trial, my dad after that like I. said every every loud noise he would. react like cuz he I you know, but he became Have you ever seen. American Psycho? I haven't seen it. Mhm. Well, Christian Bale's character. >> Oh, yes. I'm so sorry. >> Everything that he does is. black or white. Mhm. Right? There's no. gray area. Every piece of. clothing is folded perfectly. It's. ironed. I feel like he had a little bit of.

autism. >> The the the he would shave every. morning. There was there was his isms. like were. so. definitive and that's how my father was. Like every piece of clothing was like. this. He was obsessed with suspenders. Aw. Uh. and so you know, the I was the same thing. Like dude, I. one there was so many things that I did. around that my dad would always like put. in check. But I remember what every time. I held my pen. like this,

"Boo! That's lazy. You hold your pen You. hold your pen like this.". And. it's just everything was that. Like I. remember that what what the first time I. got arrested, when we got out, he sat us. down and it was the Bible. You know, like. it's just yeah, like everything was very. There was no Oh, yeah, you can do it. your way. Like what what's what's your. things that you want to do? Right. Mhm.

It sounded like he might have had a. little bit of like severe OCD also. There's a song that you say my heart was. broke like my ribs as a kid when me and. my father fought. >> Mhm. Is that. a true story? Like did your dad break. your ribs? Yeah, well and and and vice. versa. It was more so his ribs than my ribs. Both both of us got But I remember that. that specific fight was at a was in our. kitchen in Cleveland.

And uh. we were. uber twinning cuz both of us had this. big ass black and purple Mhm. right. here. So, you guys were just in your. living room just kitchen Go on kitchen. going at it. Yeah, that was pretty common though and. I was a really I acted out a lot. Like I. once I got to the point where. I could fight back, I was just. on it, you know? But but. Yeah, and I was and I was angry. And I. also my dream was so.

It was It was so potent. Like nothing. could stop my dream. I was going to be. a rapper. I was going to be a performer. Like there was no It manifested. curfew. for me. and any punishment I had to take, I. would take it. Um. Yeah, I mean I I had. When me I never forget when me, Slim, and Dove we came to my house one day. and uh. all of the furniture was gone and my dad. was just sitting on the floor and he was. like, "Going to Africa.".

And my dad just did. And I saw and I. didn't see him till I was till I was 26. and I had already, you know, kind of. achieved the dream. And uh. I just remember. How old were you? Uh I think I was I He had He had. met my daughter. once before he left. So it it I was. probably 19 cuz she was. you know, I was having a baby when I was. 18 and I was like, "Dad, I'm having a.

kid." And that was another thing where. he was like "There's no [ __ ] way.". There's absolutely no way you're having. a kid. And he was, you know, disappointed cuz I was working at fast. food and he was like. "You know, why the [ __ ] didn't you. become a collegiate scholar?". Aw. Um. Your mom, so just circling back to that. real quick just to clarify so when Just. to clarify my cat is [ __ ]. So Nice. >> uh you guys catch the downwind. >> catch any downwind that is. >> Little air biscuits, we're good. >> that's my.

that's my trouble child. I think he got. it. [Laughter]. Yeah. That one's tickets. Aw. So. circling back to mom just to clarify, when she left home, you chose not to be. a part of her life or did she just go no. contact with you? >> Uh well, you know. another thing that kind of came with. her and I reconnecting was just. realizing that my dad was. keeping me from her for years.

>> To hurt her. Yeah. Yeah. And uh. Yeah, I mean I you know, I had had all. those frustrations like, "Why the [ __ ]. would you never call? Why would you. never show up?" I was in all these. things came out like, "I was literally. in your front yard and got the cops. called on me." I. you know, every time I called, he would. answer the phone and. you know, go off. And so I that was that. was a manipulative uh parent move. Where. again, it's it's really funny. I was at a Blink.

182 show the other night and uh. they're about to do Stay Together for. the Kids, which is like it's one of my. it's probably my favorite Blink song. And it's a song about broken home and he. was like. "If anybody comes from a broken home, you know, raise raise your cell phone lights.". So all these cell phone lights go up. He's like, "I just want you to know. that it's all your fault.". It's really funny cuz I was a prime. example of that where it was like. I was kind of the tool of.

manipulation between the whole thing. where But it's never your fault. >> I understand, but I have to laugh at it. at this point. And and and honestly, it. really. it. I kind of was. I kind of kind of there. there it. There's a quote I heard today that I. actually absolutely fell in love with. and it said um sometimes your older than. your elders on an energy level. Your. parents might be younger than you. spiritually. Well, that is me and my daughter cuz my.

daughter is a wise oak tree. >> I have that in my notes and we're going. to we're going to talk about her, too. We can move on to that. Um. let's talk about K. >> Well, I I would like to say for the. record, I I I love my mom dearly and I. and I misrepresented her a lot earlier. in my career. Mhm. And not. misrepresented in the sense of. not speaking truth. I was speaking my. truth, but I didn't give. the masses a chance to understand her. truth and I didn't. I wasn't in contact with her to. understand her truth. And there was. plenty of things that I was.

mad at her about because it was like. "Your fight has to be stronger." Like. you got to you got to get to me. Yeah. You if you know. you got to Liam Neeson this [ __ ]. >> Yeah, no I get it. >> Come find me no matter what it takes. And you know. because I was stuck. in that situation. you know, my. the house I was even living in with my. aunt and her husband who was a giant.

piece of. I. I shouldn't have been I shouldn't have. been in that. place. But. Can we touch on your aunt, too? She was. somebody who was very dear to you. That. was my dog for life. Which was it? Mother's or father's side? That was my. dad's older sister. Mhm. And tell me take me on that journey with. you guys' relationship. Mhm. She was like the biggest. supporter of any dream I had. I I I.

wanted to be a Jedi so bad. And you know, she bought me this hockey. stick. so that I could take the end of the. the little hitting part off so I could. have like a. staff like a lightsaber. Mhm. And I. would just always be in the yard and. just be like you know, I'd attach a. carabiner to a rope to a tree and I. would put a bandana over my eyes like. when they train and the lasers come at. them and they can just feel. Yeah. So I. would always like hit the carabiner in. the front yard and she would any dream I.

had, she'd be like, "Hell yeah, you're. going to be a Jedi. Like what what can I. do to support it?" And I when I wanted. to be a battle rapper. you know, I would always make her watch. um videos with me on BET and MTV and. she was like, "Well, we got to you know, we got to get you looking like that." So. she took me and she got me my first like. you know, hip-hop outfit. Aw. Which in. hindsight. I looked so [ __ ] stupid. Oh no, what was it? Now you got to tell.

me what it was. What was. >> were just like down to like my shins. with like with these stitches in them so. it was different colored denim on it and. matching. down to like my shins with like with. these stitches in them so it was. different colored denim on it and. matching denim whatever. But it's crazy. cuz when I wore that to school. everyone all of a sudden it was like. right when at the end of the year when. all the yearbooks you sign everyone's. yearbook. And the first on my sixth. grade yearbook, it's so cool cuz no one. signed it cuz I had no friends except. for my one my one boy who's who's locked. up who's still my friend. But uh seventh. grade, man when I pulled up in that.

denim thing, everyone wanted to sign my. yearbook. And I was battle rapping, too, so everyone was like, "Hell yeah." You. know, like they were. they were [ __ ] with my heart. They. could see I was. they could see I was vicious and I had. good rhymes. As a child, that's all you. need is one person in your corner just. telling you you can be whatever the [ __ ]. you want to be. >> Totally. And then I mean she carried. that mentality. so heavy into my career cuz she worked. at Target. And um.

dude, I we would there was a strip club. across the street called Shotgun. Willie's. >> Mhm. And it was in the parking lot of. this Target and. um one of my proudest moments is pulling. the tour bus up to Target Aw. >> her up. But she had a she had these glasses on. and I was like, "Oh, Barbara, like you. know, take your glasses off. Like like I. want to you know, connect with me or. whatever." And she wouldn't take them. off and I was like. I was like, "What's wrong?" And. you know, she she finally took her.

glasses off. She had a black eye. Oh no. >> My uncle had her up. Aw. And. you know, one one of my biggest regrets. is that I didn't. just go out right there, you know? And. like that was. obviously. in the plans, but everybody was like, "Dude, you have so much going for you.". >> Don't make this decision, but that was. my heart, you know? Like I I I couldn't. take. that anyone did that to her, you know?

So. espe- especially him. But um. Anyway, cut to a couple years later. you know, we're at the we're at this uh. at Shotgun Willie's. Mhm. And. all the dancers are coming up to me. and they're like, "Yo, like we love your. aunt.". You know, is is is does she work at. Target? And I was like, "Yeah." She was. like, "Yeah." They were like, "Yeah, anytime we go over there to buy anything. she always has like MGK CDs next to her.

register." Oh my goodness. >> you look young. or you buy anything that resembles like. you might listen to me, she'd be like, "Have you guys heard of MGK? That's my. nephew. You should buy the CD." Or like. if I was on the cover of a magazine like. Inked magazine or something like that, she'd be like. you know, if someone's buying like a I. don't know, a cool T-shirt or another CD. or something, she'd be like. "Dude, you should you should buy my. nephew's magazine cover." And so she was. obsessed with. with me and I was like a really really. inspiring person in my life.

And you know, watching her go through. cancer and then beating that and. um. she was always really resilient. But she she and my father, they both. died from from liver cirrhosis. They. they they drank themselves to death. Mhm. That was a. uh. That was a hard one to buy, especially. cuz the last phone call that I had I I. cut her off. Like I was I was in a I was in a really. bad mood. I was in Germany about to do.

this festival called Splash Festival. And you know, she would always call me. and it was one of those conversations. where I was like. She was honestly, she was probably just. giving me love and I'm really. uncomfortable with love. Right. And if I if I'm if I'm at that point in. my life, if I was getting any of it, I. got I got really like uh just know. I just hung up the phone and that was. the last time I spoke to her. They. called me and told me she had passed. right before I went on stage. She knows you love her though. She can. hear you talking about her at any time. Yeah, that that's one where.

man, I always just wish you would come. to me in my dreams or something. Like I. never got closure with that and she I I. I did ask that the spirits don't take. her to the next. life yet. Like I. I I really want her to be a spirit guide. for me in this lifetime. Like I want her. to. stay watching over me and I feel like. it's I feel like it's happened, you. know, like I've had a really big. turnaround in the past couple years. spiritually and uh. even just with career, you know. Yeah,

absolutely. I bet you and I guarantee. that's her hand in that for sure. >> Yeah. Is it Do I Do I Am I like look Is it. What am I supposed to do with my eyes? You're doing great. Don't don't. overthink it. You're crushing it. Um so, you started battle rapping in 7th grade. 7th grade. Maybe 6th grade 7th grade. though. Was that your outlet because you. were such an introverted child and just. such a you know, had such a crazy home. life and abusive home life. Was that.

your outlet to just go and be like you. know, cuz I whenever I envisioned battle. rappers, I envisioned like the. aggression and just you know, snipering. people verbally. >> Mhm. Yeah, I I I. desperately needed something to fit in. You know, I was an okay skater. I was an okay fighter. Fighting was really big growing up, you. know, like. all these kind of.

uh different outlets of. kind of like alpha. actions. were the highlight of what seemed like. people were accepting, you know, like. a lot of my friends were in a gang, so I. wanted to you know, be a gang member. A. lot of. but what I was obsessed with was music. You know, like I loved. uh. I I I just I I loved music. That was who. was always talking to me was my.

headphones and so I uh Who were your. influences back then? >> DMX was huge for me. Tupac was huge for. me. The the the Kanye and 50 albums and. Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit and the that. that that era of albums was was so. it had all the angst I needed. It was. saying all the stories of a runaway. [ __ ]. broken home youth and. um Yeah, my first battle rap I'll never. forget. I don't remember any of the. lines that I said, but I do remember I.

looked up. It was a dude that was taller. than me. And the last line I was like. all eyes down and kiss my feet and it. rhymed with whatever I'd said before and. everyone was just like. and lost their mind. >> Yeah. And it was so opposite of how I was. at home cuz at home I was. essentially bullied to just be like a. piece of furniture in the corner, you. know what I mean? Like I I didn't really. have a voice at all, so I had to.

find a way to have a voice and battle. rap gave me my. your alter ego. >> For sure. Yeah. For sure. And then I. probably probably got lost in that. because I I just started to just that. was the person who was accepted, so I. just became that person. I 100% resonate with that because I was. abused by my stepmother growing up and. so she was the bully at home and I. became the bully outside of the house. It's because you just feel like you have. to put on this. this facade so that nobody can hurt you.

cuz you already get hurt so much inside. your house that when you leave the. house, nobody's going to hurt you. because you control that. You have. >> Totally. So, battle rapping became your love. >> Mhm. And then, you know, later on down. the line you ended up having a baby when. you were about 18, correct? Yep. Can we talk about Casey? >> Yeah. Yeah, I would love to. Let's talk. about her. You light up whenever you. talk about her and I love that. And I. noticed in a lot of her interviews, um. you know, she does seem like such an old.

soul. I'm telling you. Even hearing you on the phone with her. last night, it was like you were. reporting to your mom. Like you like you. even your demeanor and everything like. kind of changed. >> Yeah. My well, my my life changed. Like that. was I'll never forget the first breath. she took. She came out and she wasn't. breathing. And then the doctor. I. I think like tapped her chest or. something like that and she she did the. like. And I just remember everything was jokes.

and me trying to make her mother feel. I was trying to make her mother laugh. while she was having which was just. going to. so poorly. Like it was so bad it was so. I didn't know what to do. I should have. been calming, but I was just trying to. make jokes. She's like shut. She's like I'm [ __ ] a kid out here. >> Yeah, and. man, when she took that first breath, dude, every. tears like Niagara Falls started coming. and I fell in love and that was. really the first.

person I ever, you know, loved. Like that actually gave you that feeling. of love besides your aunt. >> Mhm. You said that you were number 22, which I'm I was born on the 22nd myself. >> really? >> January 22nd. >> Wow, cool. >> And we are. we are rule breakers and generational. curse breakers and I feel like it stops. with you with. the lineage that your family has with. the men. >> Yeah. And I see what a father you are to. Casey and you know, can you appreciate.

that you've actually broken that curse. with your family? Uh. I don't know. I got to finish this life. first and do a review of my soul. Mhm. And kind of see if if I made the right. decisions or not and I feel like one of. my favorite quotes which my friend Mod. Sun gave me was We love Mod. >> Um I thank God that I have the ability. to punish myself today so that I can. forgive myself tomorrow. Mhm. So,

you know, for the mistakes that I've. made. I'm grateful. that I also have the choice to forgive. myself. Absolutely. >> the. after cuz I think a lot of us live with. like. oh man, I messed up. Like I I I'm just. stuck. being that mistake. Mhm. And it's. it's it's really hard with the internet. too. It just constantly wants to. make you be that mistake also and I just.

want everyone to feel comfortable to. know that. you know, God or the universe or or or. or energy period has given you the. ability to forgive yourself. Like that's. a choice that you have to make. And. just like you have the choice to get in. your car and drive somewhere. get out of bed and do something. Like. you have you have that ability to. forgive yourself, which is really. important. Otherwise, those things are just going to.

uh. grow inside of you and eat you alive. And that's I think a lot of I honestly. I I truly believe that, you know, things. like cancer or. disease in some cases come from. >> trauma. and secrets that you've withheld that. you can't forgive yourself for. Secrets. keep you sick. >> Yes. So, it's really important to. get it out. >> Yes. And accept and forgive. Do you think. you'll ever be able to give yourself. your flowers while you are alive though.

for for being the father that you are? Like you may not feel like you're. perfect and I don't think anybody's a. perfect parent, but coming from what you. grew up in to who you are now and who. the father that you are to Casey. Would you Can you ever just look at. yourself and be like, yeah, I did do. that? Yeah, but I. I. I could always, you know, I could be a. better father. So, I just I don't know. I mean, I hope I.

hope that. I'll always. be someone that she can depend on and. lean on and love. I I guess I'm just so. scared because I know how my. relationship with my parents was and. you know, I was so mad at my dad up. until the last moments of his life. So, I just. >> I know how that goes. >> I almost uh. I don't know and I'm I I'm like I'm so. in love with her that I'm scared.

You know, you don't ever want to like. disappoint and so I yeah, I mean. It's not for me to give myself any. flowers. I guess I. I uh. that's for her to decide if she, you. know, she if. if I did a good job or not. I understand. that. >> Yeah. So, let take me on this journey where, you know, you're battle rapping, you. just had a baby and I think you were at. um South by Southwest in Austin. I I. mean, this the the story that I was kind. of built was that, but I essentially.

um. we had did I think a a Southwest even. South by Southwest prior to that, maybe. even another one before that. I think. everyone had kind of discovered me at. the same time label wise because there. was a big bidding war. And. um. Yeah, I mean, essentially. we had to, you know, choose a label to. go with and but it it wasn't South by.

Southwest. It was really the mixtape. circuit. Like we were. the the one. thing that I always loved that we did. was we would catch. everyone coming out of. school and we would hand them our. mixtape. And so all the seniors who. would graduate, you know, go off to college in all these. different parts of the country, and they take a piece of home with them. with our with our mixtape. And they're. like, "Yeah, but back home we got this. kid. Like you got to check him out." And. so like the word really started to.

spread. And that was when mixtape era was, you. know, it was really important and blog. era was really important and then me and. Mac and Wiz and. uh. the Big Seans and Kendricks and. A$APs, all all these. you know, all these mixtape kids were just. kind of just. ground zero handing out CDs. So I. I still meet people who are like, "Yo, I. remember you gave me this.".

And whatever year and, you know, Slim. was a huge part of that. Me and I. remember I. saved up so much just to buy my own like. CD burner. And we would print all the CDs, put the. labels on. We shared a one-bedroom. apartment together. And uh. we'd just go out and hand them out. And. there was this one really funny memory. where we went and gathered up all these. coins. Like we saved like I don't know, 300, 400 dollars worth of coins. Aw, I. remember that. The the vending machine. that you would take these. >> and it tells you like what. you got.

>> Yeah. And then we bought a Juno keyboard. with that. >> now will never know. They'll never know. They'll never know. And that's all. right. But you bought a keyboard. Yeah, it's crazy. >> Yeah, so we got a Juno and we made all. our beats with that. And uh. yeah, I don't know. I also was just. like, dude, I would just rap for every. single person that would listen. That was kind of I worked at the. airbrush shop and that's kind of what I. was like uh Cleveland famous for. It was. just like, "Oh, that's the white boy. from the airbrush shop who always raps. for everybody." Aw. Or I would go in. front of the mall cuz the mall was that. is is the big skyscraper in downtown.

Cleveland. It's called Tower City. I'll. go in front of there. That's like the the meeting place point. between East Side and West Side. on um. where the train's coming. I would just. rap for everybody out front or battle. rap whoever. The. you know, the Illuminati talks and all. that stuff that that come towards me. from people. I just It's it's I explain. it best. in the end of that El Pistolero song. when I say, "I don't worship the devil. That's just what they say when you get. on this level.".

Literally. I'm just like. >> They accused Jay and I of being. Illuminati. >> "Look, homie. Like it. This is what hard work is. Mhm. Hard. work means that's you know, something. comes from it. And if you look at my. journey, I've been pushing and pushing. and pushing and. you know, I by all means I would have. loved a. So I would have loved a button pusher to. be like, "We're going to make him huge.". Yeah. You know what I mean? Like they. would have saved me a lot of stress and. a lot of.

friends lost and a lot of. you know, a lot of years. You know, it's. it's odd to be. on a 19 and not experience your biggest. success until you're 30. Mhm. And and that was one thing that Jelly, I. loved that speech when he was like, "Don't ever" when he won Best New. Artist. Yeah. And. >> me 38 years to get here. Yeah, for sure. And and don't ever let age be. uh.

a factor in 2 Chainz didn't hit it off. till he was like 40, right? >> Dude, he was like 36 or something like. that when that happened. And. I. I I hate the the expression. grow up. Right. Like I posted, you know, the fangs or something like. that the other day and. you see. one comment out of. the. 5,000 that you just zoom in on and it's. like.

something about like. grow up or. you know, you're too old to be doing. this or what whatever it is, which is so. ironic because we're all still so young. Mhm. But to me that's just. a sign of you being scared to ever. unleash your creativity. I couldn't. imagine if Tim Burton had to come up. with Nightmare Before Christmas before. he hit 20 years old. >> Yeah, absolutely. Because we would we. wouldn't have these things. Like there. is no age on art. There is no age on. fun. No. I love I was just reading this.

book earlier. Let me see if. Yeah, join with all those who. experiment, take risks, fall, get hurt, and then take more risks. Stay away from. those who affirm truths, who criticize. those who do not think like them, people. who have never once taken a step unless. they were sure they were that they would. be respected for doing so, and who. prefer certainties to doubts. I love that. I don't ever want to step. and know that the ground is going to. hold me. Yeah. The best part of life are.

these risks that I take. And the worst thing I could ever imagine. being is someone who is caged in because. others live in a cage. One of my. favorite quotes is from Oscar Wilde and. it's "You will always be fond of me for. I represent to you the sins you never. had the courage to commit.". I'm telling you. What is growing up? Literally. So it's. so odd. You got to always just be in tune with. your inner child and I think that. >> 1,000%. The the second that your light. is fueled by gasoline instead of natural. wood means that it's forced. Like this.

is all things Mhm. That's right. >> that. burn inside of me. naturally. Why would you want a. you know, why would you want a synthetic Mhm. result instead of something that is. organic? I think it's the world is so programmed. and people just take everything so. literal now and it's just like there's a. time limit on everything and really. people don't realize that time is like. the most precious commodity and. something that you'll never get back.

And it's like why don't you want to do. what you love with that time instead of. what the world's telling you to do? Also, why. if someone had their. childhood robbed, would you not want to. allow them that back? That's like expecting That gave me. goosebumps. if Helen Keller got her. hearing and her eyesight back Mhm. at 36. being like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. Why are.

you on a Why Why are you. on a Why are you on a. seesaw?" Right. That's for kids. Like I well, I never. got to experience this. Like I want to. experience all the joys of life. So to me, let me experience all these joys I. didn't have. 20 In In my 20s I was on. drugs. Mhm. I don't remember. any happy moments. Mhm. I don't remember. any of the.

you know, attaining the these the shows. that, you know, finally sold out. I. don't remember those things. So let me. enjoy I didn't get to I was so so tight. and and determined to. you know, overcompensate. for the. traumas that I had to show that I was. good enough that I didn't get the chance. to creatively express myself maybe with. things like. that. make.

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by 12/19/25. at 11:59 p.m. Eastern Time. Offer ends. 11/16/25. at 11:59 p.m. Eastern Time. Thanks to. DraftKings Sportsbook for sponsoring. this episode. When did your debut start? Um. What our drug experimentation? Probably I mean 11 was the first time. that I did ecstasy with with my one. friend who lived on the same street cuz. his older sister dated a a rave DJ. Oh.

my goodness, 11 years old? >> it was it was it was funny. They like. told us how to do you know they told us. how to do it. They gave us a little um. pacifiers cuz your teeth grind. Oh, that's not you're 11. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then it you know. then it the. it's not like it you know. it's not like it continued daily. It was. it took breaks and I was. um. more focused on music than I than I was. being a burnout. But then in my 20s.

I went to. for sure. >> Made a friend. >> last time. >> Definitely. What was your choice? Um started. started with weed and alcohol then I I I. really loved Vyvanse. Mhm. Because the. the work ethic that came with that of. just being able to like lock in on. something and being like. oh my god I just wrote six songs in 2. hours you know like Are you diagnosed. ADD?

Oh, for Vyvanse stuff like that? Hell. no. I don't know what I am on. >> work so good on you cuz I know when I. take Adderall it makes me feel like I am. cracked out and I have the opposite. effect than getting anything done. Yeah, I also think maybe when I was yeah, I. don't know. Who knows? Yeah. Um. loved. loved like hydrocodone. Oh yeah, I love. a good lord herb. Loved Percocet. I was my my dad loved.

Percocet too. Percocet and red wine. Like my dad's twin told me that. Was. your dad an addict also? Yeah, I didn't. I that was actually how he really. connected to my music was he went to. rehab uh. when he came back from Africa and he met. someone with an MGK tattoo. Mhm. And that guy whoever that was shout out. to you my boy cuz he really opened up a. big. door for me and my dad's relationship. cuz I guess the kid was like dude you. don't know what your kid like means to. people. Wow.

>> know what this like this this music does. for for for us and. so my dad really kind of had a different. respect for me. um after that rehab stint. And like like I said you know he the. last that. What's up, boy? The the the last thing that we did. which you know he was too far gone. anyway so I wasn't even like I was. trying to. be the. you know rule enforcer but he was like. dude can you just sneak me in some. whiskey? Cuz he was in hospice and obviously you.

can't drink or do anything and at this. point you know his his his feet had. already been amputated. Oh my goodness. >> Um that was. you know one of the hardest things in my. life was like putting on his socks over. um. his. whatever was left of his you know feet. or whatever and. exactly. um. and. yeah, I went got the best bottle of. bourbon I could find and we.

we drank and then. he he peaced out. Do you feel like that helped kind of put. you into more of a pop culture moment. quote unquote and you know Hotel Diablo. was kind of under the spotlight? >> Oh, I actually feel like Hotel Diablo. was. uh severely under appreciated. Really? For sure. I think I think it's. like. uh. until later you know it got appreciated.

as you know probably my best body of. work. Um as a rap album. It got 1.3 billion. streams but you felt like the media kind. of wrote you off, right? I'm for the. people you know I'm I'm a man of the. people so. I really only care what the people think. the. the the whole like yearning for critic. like approval. left me many years ago. That's why I I. mean if you think that I. for 1 second thought that me making a. pop punk album was going to.

satisfy anybody other than what I wanted. to do. I. it has to be you know like the I I. clearly knew that it was going to. rupture the. structured system of like you're. supposed to do this and you're. you know labeled as this so this is what. you are. I'm I'm. yeah wearing the shirt of a boundary. breaker. Mhm. I. look up to those who who. break the system and make people think.

That's what artists supposed to do so. uh. I I also struggle with the like that. brings spotlight because. I'd been facially and musically famous. for. 8 years before that. There wasn't a. street. that I could walk on from here to. Australia to Germany to anywhere where. people weren't like oh [ __ ] that's. Machine Gun Kelly so. um I I just think the internet narrative. really tries to force something that.

you know in time as long as I continue. to run my own race. people will look back on and it won't. even be a. uh. >> you've proven yourself. >> Yeah, so. um. 1.3 billion streams is nothing to scoff. at. I mean that's I think that's the. people telling you that they're. consuming. you. For sure. They're loving you. And. and I'm. the opposite of Wizard of Oz. I'm. outside Yeah.

constantly. making sure that. you know my feet are touching ground and. that I'm connecting with the people that. I'm speaking for. Absolutely. >> Mhm. And I think that's why your fans. love you and the people in your life. love you because you are such a strong. force to be reckoned with. >> For sure. So diving back into your album. with Hotel Diablo it was bittersweet you. know we talked about the 1.3 billion. streams and stuff like that but you did. also touch on the fact that your father. did die the same day that that came out.

And you had said in an interview. somewhere that a neighbor had told you. some [ __ ] up things that you couldn't. get closure on. Yeah. Can we dive into that a little bit? Mhm. Uh. It was so eerie and so. really just wrong in my opinion because. I was not able to you know speak to my. father or my aunt about any of the.

things that were. said about him but you know one thing I. know. that he wanted that he had asked me to. do was to go into his safe which was in. storage in Cleveland. And. uh. so I did that and that was you know kind. of where I got. some psychological closure that you know. he had a severe split personality. disorder. And uh.

you know I had. had a. just gnarly kind of rehab stints. throughout my life that I never really. knew about. So like when he would be. like oh I'm going to go on a job. interview. and it would be like a long time he was. gone. Like I was kind of putting the. pieces together like oh he was in rehab. Aw. Um. The reason. the reason I'm asking is because you had. said that it sent you into such a spiral. that you ended up putting a shot. Well, that I I guess I wouldn't.

necessarily talk about that cuz it's. really hard to. for things to get taken out of context. I also think. Mhm. is a really mind altering and like. people should be really careful of what. um. it does to your brain chemistry because. maybe that's not even necessarily you. doing. the the actions you know Yeah, absolutely. It's something else. taking. over your body. Um. but. you know what I can say is it made me so. uncomfortable that.

I didn't even. want to put my dad's ashes and my aunt's. ashes in the same room as each other. Mhm. Mhm. So. yeah. How do you move on from something like. that? How do you like cuz you're you're. literally you're riding one wave where. you don't feel you had said that you. don't feel like Hotel Diablo got you. know what it deserved but on the other. hand you you know the streams don't lie. and then you're dealing with the. situation with your dad and drug use and.

mental health like where. where does a a a shining light come in. and like where do where do you how do. you navigate through such a dark time. like that of highs and lows? My specific situation was really. fortunate because of the group of. friends that I have and they've been the. same group of friends that I've had. since I came in so I. learned the power of expressing and. being vulnerable and like.

getting. speaking things um to them and receiving. really grounded. advice and comfort and loyalty from. people that I know would never turn. their backs on me no matter what and. I've tested that to the max you know. where. Yeah. Um I do that too. >> Anyone that gets close to me I push them. away. To see if they stay. For sure. It's all a test. It's not cuz I want. them to go anywhere. Absolutely. I'll. never. I I watching.

this video my mom sent me of me as a kid. where. I was like. I had a really funny list when I was a. kid. I had to get my frenulum cut cuz my. tongue wouldn't go past my teeth. So, I. had I talked like this and like Aw. It was really funny when like I couldn't. say my r's very well. So, I was walking. around and I was like. my mom was filming me and I was like, "I'm hunting bears." Aw. And. she was like uh. "Okay, well like where are you going to. go?" She I was like, "I'm going to go. I'm going to go over there." And.

I'm going to hunt I'm going to hunt. bears. And I start walking. And I'm just like waiting for her to. like come with me and I'm and I'm just. like "Come with me.". And like that that really like is a. testament. >> Well, it's like a microcosm of who I. really am where I. I I really. don't want to be alone. Like I I don't. ever want. I don't ever want want to be alone. You. know, like I love. my friends so much and I I love.

uh. but I'm not good at. showing it. I show it by. being an [ __ ] or Mhm. you know, trying to show like. Oh, see I knew you would leave me. And. Kind of like a form of self-sabotage. Oh, dude, self-sabotage king right here. Yeah. And. uh it also got. you know. it's funny COVID helped me.

stop being like uh you asked me what my. favorite drug drug what my drug of. choice was. the [ __ ] to me. Like it gave me the like. me and Jelly talk about it all the time. where. I I'm I'm so socially awkward but I. would do that before I went somewhere. and I would leave and just and just be. like, "I just killed that. like everyone loves me, dude." Like I. was. >> brought you out of your shell. >> talking to everybody and you know, just. like this. false. sense of. you know, Superman syndrome where it's.

just like. you know, I I. you whatever. And so, I you know, it's. funny cuz COVID really helped that cuz. obviously everyone thought it was a. zombie apocalypse. So, none of the. dealers would leave their house. Yeah. So, Nobody had a dealer. >> Exactly. So, you had no choice but to. just like. >> All right. Like you know, I got to find. something else. Um When did Megan enter. the picture? >> Right. I was just That was That was. right there where I was leading into. how powerful. the heart is because.

you can. play with every other. sense that you have in your body. but if your heart isn't there. uh. it's like. it's like this ex- it's like this. example of. you know. being an an archer and you can be so. technically skilled and. all of these. your precision could be perfect, right? And all that stuff but.

if you switch. to an uncomfortable place like a shaky. bridge Mhm. if you're not shooting from your soul. then all that precision, all the. technicalities that you've mastered. like nothing beats a shot from the soul. Mhm. Right? Like that anybody That's why. That's why I never care when people give. me [ __ ] about guitar playing. Mhm. I. don't care how technically good you are. Like every time I I I s-. play my guitar, I'm playing it from my.

heart. So, whatever I'm playing is how I. felt that day and. you know, the people who are like, "Why. do I Why Why Why am I not. you know, on on his level of. fame or other things like that?" I. All I've done is just shoot shots from. my soul. So, if there's nothing to deny. that those people that will always. resonate. And you know, my arrows will hit their. heart. And. that woman. Mhm. struck a bull's-eye and when I felt that.

sense. light up. everything else. went away and I learned what it was to. accept. living. That was like. it it it gave it gave purpose to. everything I was confused of why I was. here for. Mhm.

And so, um. I was you know, I'm forever. grateful to God and. indebted to the. destiny lines. that wove me into. that wove me and her together. because that was. something where you know, when I saw her. eyes for the first time it was like I. had. a telescope to.

every secret. in the universe. Mhm. And I think. what followed that really. proved. what moving with love does because. you know, my. the album that I made after that which. is take us to my downfall went. to a a level I'd never. experienced and you know, I started to.

uh be able to feel. my body in different ways, my mind like. the frequency of my mind and the. information that started coming into it. and the way that I was able to start. processing my own. you know, she was a when you know, when. you have a twin flame relationship, it's. you're essentially looking at a mirror. at all of the things that. you. have ran away from your whole life and. you know, it's it's not like this.

grand. waltz of. love and and gentility. It's really. really really dark dark at first and. it's toxic because you're staring It's. you're essentially. You do you watch Harry Potter? I don't. but they do. >> was a Remember that mirror where he. could look in and and he could see his. parents and all that stuff. It's like. it's like looking at that but instead. you're seeing all of the.

things that you've ran away from this. whole time and all of the things that. those have numbed. Mhm. And the music and successes have numbed. And you're forced to either. look away. and lose. or. face. and embrace. And that is the endless waltz that we. are constantly in with each other.

And so, I think the reason that she and I have. stepped away from publicizing anything. in our relationship just down to photos. of us. having fun together or things like that. is because. we're both really intuitive people. and so, we feel the millions of. we feel the millions of.

hate. that comes at you. >> wants to tear down beautiful things. always. But you guys just standing together will. never allow that cuz you guys are way. stronger than any. hate that you guys could ever receive. Well, I mean I I I I won't lie and say that. you know. the evil eye didn't. really really. take a toll on what.

you know, we we thought was a. a beautiful thing that we could maybe. inspire people to. um. not mimic but just inspire people to. love, right? Like that Not not love us. but just inspire the action of love. because. I would. be wrong in saying that we don't all. you know, kind of look at what we see on. TV or. on our phones and. you know, want to mimic or we think you.

know. I I I grew up like I said the. the main word that was in my house from. my father about my mom was [ __ ]. And the things that I would see on TV. from. the movies and the music I was listening. to was. not about monogamy and was not about. love. It was about the complete. opposite. And so, me. and her being You also have a huge. mother wound, too. For sure. And and she.

clearly. uh you know, Megan was a. a big uh. test for me in that Mhm. because. you're confronting all of your mother. wounds when you find the person that you. love and that uh. relationship. your um. that that idea that we had where where. where we were like, "You know, let's. let's change. what's in. mainstream media about.

relationships. Like let's let's show. love.". It you know, kind of felt like it backfired because. it's it's cute at first and then people. get sick of. seeing you happy. And I you know, I'm actually fortunate cuz I feel like. a lot of the exes that I I have and um. you know, the women that I've. met in my life and. they they've all kind of had a.

an empathy. for seeing that I mean that's just a. broken kid, man. Like. you know, he'll he'll figure it out one. day. I I've been supported in that for a. a long time and I really appreciate all. those people um. that I've met on my journey for being so. kind to me and understanding that. I was just, you know, figuring myself. out, but um. the hate that came with the relationship. was.

you know. But don't let them win. No, I. know, but it's a but now we just don't. let it be anybody's business, right? They they don't. >> absolutely. Cuz what they don't know is. that you guys love each other and you. guys are. >> for sure. All they need to know is that. you guys love each other and you guys. are, you know, in it to win it. Um I think Go ahead. Well, yeah. I mean, I you know, I'm I'm. done. No, I love hearing you talk. It's. like poetry, so I could I just feel like. I'm a really boring talker right now, so.

I don't. >> actually really beautiful. I I get I. guarantee you see. >> like a 2 mile per hour pace and I don't. necessarily No, I think people. >> at writing the music and talking than I. am at actually conversational talking. >> No, I think people at home are actually. probably going to fall in love with you. because just hearing you talk is so. beautiful and it's very poetic. I just have one question though. Like. can we just focus on the fact that Meg. Megan had way more swagger than you when. you guys met? Because you met her at a. party and she said you smell like and.

you looked at her and you said, "I am.". And then you you guys saw each other. what like a year later and you walked. into her trailer and and No, I sat. outside my trailer Yeah. praying to God. that. she would look over when she got out of. her car to walk into her trailer and. maybe have like an. a tiny inkling to be like. come over here. And it worked. Yeah, you manifested. that. >> Except yeah, the first the first time I. that was the second day of work. The.

first day of work. uh I was so awkward and just stared at. the ground the whole time and she just. asked me questions and. she has really pretty feet, so that was. like she had she was she had I was like. I was looking at the ground like I was. like looking at her. I don't know. I. just I was super awkward, didn't know. anything. I didn't know what to say. She just. asked me a bunch of questions and asked. me when my birthday was and things like. that. Didn't you walk in and she said um. how are you and you said, "I'm broken.". And she said, "Well, let's find you." Or.

"I'm lost." And she said, "Let's find. you." I'm like go [ __ ] Megan, go. Like that was that's hot that she did. that. Yeah, agreed. Aw. So, what was it like making, you know, on the set of this movie, what was it. like doing your first scene with her? Did you just know from the get-go that. you guys were going to be together? Oh, I was obsessed. Yeah. >> For sure. I was obsessed and uh. Yeah, I like her conversation is just so.

entertaining. She's so fun to listen to. She has so much to say and she's so. intelligent and. she's you know, she's really deep and. she's dead sober. And uh. All the things you didn't think were. possible in a woman? Yeah, I grew up with a very skewed, you. know, Yeah. >> outlook and. like I said, like my my idols were kind. of like my parents, so I I was operating. in a frequency that wasn't mine. So, a. lot of those years and you know, things.

that I'm judged for, I'm just like. it's you know, that's that's. a young man operating. uh. up. uh in a frequency that is not aligned. with who I really am and so. it it also. kind of shifts me out because. you know, our skin cells re- regenerate. every 7 years, so I'm I'm literally not. the same person that I was. 7 years ago, let alone the same person I. was yesterday. Every day I'm constantly. evolving and growing, but it's something.

really important to keep in mind, dude, because people, you know, if if they're. down in the pigpen getting dirty. they want you to be down there with. them. >> Oh, absolutely. >> they don't look at the ones up outside. of it being stoked. They're they're like. trapped down here. You got to I'm I'm. going to do anything I can to get you. down here with me instead of being like. I'll do anything I can to get out of. here and be there with you. Mhm. They love you when you're on their.

level. If you get any higher than that, they tear you down. It's like they build. you up to tear you down. >> Yeah. So, it's a it's a very very. toxic cycle to participate in and a lot. of us are in it. I was in it for so. long. Um so. got to get out of it. And that requires. strength and discipline and and change, you know, going back to our quote about. not. you know, not not aligning with those. who are scared to take the next step. unless they're completely positive that.

>> Mhm. the ground will not break beneath them. Yeah. Yeah. Moving on from Megan, let's talk about. Tickets to My Downfall. That was pretty life-changing for you. >> Yeah. And I don't think Look at you. smile. I love whenever you um own your. accomplishments. I think that's a good. thing for you. >> I I'm just smiling. I don't I'm not like. saying it was like But stop it. It could. be like, "Yeah, [ __ ] I did that.". Like you did so good. I mean, to do a. genre switch, I I've only seen a few.

people do it successfully and that's. you, my husband and maybe a few other. people and it is not easy because one, you have to win over brand new fans and. then your old fans get mad, you know, like you know, cuz you've been there. >> Yeah. What was it like dropping that. album? Were you absolutely petrified or. did you know that it was going to be. what it was? Oh, dude, I already felt. completely alienated. I I I've been an. outlier since birth, so I kind of just. got back into that mentality of.

being the kid who wanted to be a Jedi. Mhm. You know, I. or I did I mean, I when I was trying to. be Super Saiyan. I cannot describe to you how awkward I. must have looked cuz I would be in my. front yard like. dressed. >> Really channeling. >> fully trying to get my chi to explode. off of me and Kamehameha anything. I uh yeah, Tickets I did purely out of. the.

the spirit of. what I wanted to do. Mhm. I also did I. was a Warped Tour kid. Like I the the. the people that act like that was new. for me, it it's. I don't know if the right Is bequeath? What does that word mean? Cuz I've been. thinking. >> I bequeath you. So, like in a will in a. will, they would like bequeath you a. car. >> well, I have been. completely. What's the word for like. lost like I'd shocked. I it's.

Insert synonym for shocked, but I have. just been. so confused. at the narrative of. you know, me trying something new and. like I've been a band since I started. >> Flabbergasted. I've been flabbergasted. that. that you have the nerve to even act like. that is something new to me. I've been a. pop punk kid since I was.

just since, you know, like that that. that that like I I also was I. the one thing that confused me so much. was, you know, kind of when I came out. with that, I was I knew I was relighting. a flame. for. all of the peers that I had been friends. with and grew up with and knowing that I. now now had a platform Mhm. that could. shine light on. something I loved and. you know, all of the people that, you. know, I I. remember seeing you say.

you know, something about Motionless in. White and you know, your husband doing a song with with the. Falling in Reverse and those are all. guys I had I've toured with. I've. literally. been on Warped with those guys in 2011, 2012, 2010 like doing the Ernie Ball. stage, doing the main stage, playing as. a band, covering Blink. and uh. just never really had the means. or the. discipline to sit down and just make.

an actual record that sounded like the. universe I was already a part of. >> Mhm. But I couldn't believe the lack of. support from the guys that. uh I was really. kind of supporting by putting this album. out and I really felt like we all missed. an opportunity to. make that scene. pop again. >> pop in a in a way that felt like there. was a ceiling. Mhm. And I was I'm.

you know, severely disappointed at. the. the bands who didn't speak out or speak. up. for the movement that was happening. because it had nothing to do with. my music. It had to do with the fact. that there's a new generation of kids. who are like, "Holy [ __ ] like I want to. play guitar.". >> Yeah. Because Bring scene kids back. >> Everyone before then. and I don't mean everyone. Obviously, the scene is always alive, but I'm just. saying in in mainstream culture, you. know, like.

the Migos and Chief Keef and that was. the. that was the [ __ ] when all the kids were. like, "Oh, [ __ ] I want to wear. you know, chains and hit cadences like. that on 808s." And I was also kind of. seeing. instrumentation. die. in mainstream radio and award shows and. all those things. I was missing bands. You know, all of the bands that were. happening were bands that have been. around for generations. And I was like, "No, it's time for this new shit." And. and you know, I even loved going to the.

Blink show recently seeing Pierce the. Veil open. I was like, "Oh, that's so. sick." Yeah. You know, like they deserve. a big they deserve this new audience. And. um. I feel like. >> just felt like there was a a real lack. of support from people that I I watched. sit side stage with me when I would. perform a Warped Tour and who supported. me when I was down right who supported. me when I when I was at 1:00 p.m. Mhm. or 2:00 p.m. And I wasn't a force to be. reckoned with in their eyes. Like it was. it was just something cool. Like, "Oh, [ __ ]. You know, we. dude." Yeah. But then uh you know, we.

didn't form an alliance like I wish I. wish we could have. And I really felt. like that was a missed opportunity. And. um. you know, all the YouTubers. the reactors and. um. you know, people who had a platform who. like joined the train of this is cool to. [ __ ] on. for likes or you know, scared of the. embrace what's uncomfortable. Not cool. I think it's it's way bolder.

to rock with something that. is uh. going to give that's going to make other. people look at you like, "Why are you. down with that?" Because I experienced. that as a kid when I would be like, "I. love Blink-182." And everyone was like, "No, man, that's not punk. Anti-Flag's. punk. NOFX is punk.". And you're damn right. But. Blink makes great music. And they're. also punk as [ __ ] Just because they're. on MTV doesn't mean that they're soft or. that their music is, you know, less. you.

has less meaning. Like I guess so, you. know, with with my [ __ ] I think. um. I'm very happy and honored. to anyone who listened to our album and. embraced it and is an MGK fan because I. really think that you're the outliers. And I really think that it makes you. in hindsight in 10 years from now it's. going to make you. feel proud that you were on this side of. that movement as opposed to that side. because my my wave doesn't crash.

That album did great though. Let me look. at the streams. That album did great. It. got like. 81.1 million streams. Is that correct? No, no, no, no. That's not correct. When. you Google it, that's what that's what. it says. Says 81.1 million streams. Oh, oh, oh. On Spotify it's I think 3. billion. 3 billion? On Spotify on, yeah. Anyway, that's still a ton of streams. Like anybody that has anything bad to. say about it is just literally promoting. your album so people will listen to it. at this point.

>> That's true. Maybe I'm being pessimistic. in my outlook, you know. I'm just saying. even if they're trying to hate on you, it's like those people, dude, because. they're going to make people curious. And that's, you know, part of the. streams that you're having. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I you know, I I. don't do I don't really do interviews. ever. So I guess I don't really get to. say my side of things. So I think I was. more so not trying to point out any. negative. I was just trying to. fact-check things because it's time for. um Everything you said was fine. >> It's hard it's hard for me to watch. narratives be be be carried by falsified.

facts. Just like the thing with like, "Oh, he switched genres after this.". It's like, "No, that's impossible." It. was a rap album that followed that, which was also my most successful rap. album. There was, you know, a pop punk. album that came, which was naturally. leading up to that because even on my. first album the first track featured. Avenged Sevenfold, which is a very. goated Yeah. band. And and. >> Yeah. And like those are these like this. this it's all, you know, on Hotel Diablo. I left the last track being I Think I'm. Okay letting people know that the next. era is. is coming and it came. But even if you.

>> That's what she said. And But even if you did, just say say. that you didn't have all that background. and you didn't have that track record. Even if you did come in and say, "Hey, you know what? I want to do rock. I'm. going to pick up a guitar. I'm going to. learn how to play." Why is that not. okay? Why. >> It's so okay. Exactly. >> the [ __ ] you want. Nothing matters, dude. >> Like as a society we. we have to do better. >> you have to just do whatever makes you. feel. happy. >> You want to rap one day, you want to. sing country and do Look at me. Watch.

what happens. I just wrapped last week. and then Lonely Road dropped. That's a. country rock record. We're bringing MGK over to country, guys. It's always a possibility. I love I love. the I love I love me some country. chords. >> your cover you just did of Luke not Luke. Bryan's, sorry sorry Zach, of Zach. Bryan's. Sun to Me Yeah. >> was beautiful. >> Thank you. >> And you you're the delivery, your voice, everything was amazing.

>> Thank you. That song really spoke to me. And so I was really happy I did that. I. was I was so. flattered I saw a tweet someone pulled a. tweet up. from Zach in 2012 where he was like, "It's an MGK day." Aw. I was like, "Sick. The universe is cool." You call. Megan the sun to you, don't you? Does. that have any sort of. >> has so many nicknames. Uh yeah. I love I. I love uh. I love Maki. I call her Maki. She calls. me Buddha. Why does she call you Buddha? And why do. you call her Maki? >> Good question. I don't know why she.

calls me Buddha. Cuz. I'm not essentially very Buddha-like. Maybe. I could start now. Hold up. There you go. You need a belly though, too. You got to. get that belly going. There you go. I can push out. She calls. you Lamby, too, right? >> Lamby, yeah. Lamby. She said you had to. earn that back though in an interview. Why did you have to earn it back? What. did you do? Uh I think, you know, like. Lamby is like a a. the the very like.

vulnerable, softer side. Aw. I don't. know. What is it? Is a lamb a sheep? Yes. Uh yes. It's a baby sheep, correct? A lamb is a baby sheep? We all don't. know. I don't know. It's All we know is. that it's it's it's cute. It's cute and. soft. >> So I'm assuming that I had something to. do with that. Unless I look like a lamb. But I think I look more like I've been. I've been labeled a meerkat. No. You think? You have very. >> far as like physically. When you told me. your background, it makes complete.

sense. Yes, you have all of the. features. >> family is. like. he- heavy heavy heavy Norwegian. Like. even the church services once a week are. are. done in Norwegian. >> Mhm. They're from a town where the. Vikings came. a long time ago. And such an odd path. that, you know, they came to they ended. up there. But even the bowling alley in. that town is called Nordic Lanes. All the holiday meals are Norwegian. food. Everything is Have you ever been. there? To Norway? Oh, yeah.

>> Oh, do you love it? >> Yeah. Yeah, I love it. >> like when you go back cuz I'm Brazilian. and I haven't been back to Brazil yet. But they always say when you go back to. like your motherland, your soul feels. it. Is that true? Absolutely. And I. think the the the magic of. that culture is. is very. um. active in my blood. So, you know, the. when I'm able to. um. you know, tap into that depending on.

certain moon phases and um. I you know, I I I. s-. kind of it's it's hard not to say ritual. because people just take it and and run. And A ritual is something that you do. over and over and over again. It doesn't. have to be something satanic. It doesn't. have to be magic. >> that's what's so sad is that the is that. >> OCD people have rituals. I have rituals. >> Right. All right. But the but what's so. sad is that magic is so real and it's.

it's it's such a uh. it's. been erased from our entire history. because it's so scary to know that we. all have the power to. create. a. product out of a dream. Mhm. And. you know, even you know, if we're just. speaking about, you know, moon phases like the the beauty of.

tapping into that. Like, you know, when. people struggle with fasting or. something. Like if they would just tap. into what like Ekadashi, which is an. Indian um. practice of. fasting, which is 11 days after the full. moon or new moon. Either one, the the pull of the moon is. a lot less. So, the demand for your body. to have food and water on that day is. is the least. Mhm. Um I love that.

That's fascinating because the moon. makes women have their periods. It makes. the tides. >> 100%. Yeah. So there's so much power in. that. There's so much power in that. So. you. it's it's there's the least amount of. pull from the moon on that day. So. you're able to. go that whole day without without really. feeling that urge if you um you know, work up to that point. And you could. just start there. It's a really really. special day if you're ever trying to uh. you know, get into that because.

it it helps your your body kill all the. sicknesses. Like when you when you. practice those things, your your cells, you know, turn over and. It's it's a lot of magic in just just. that practice. But um There's a lot of. magic in everything. And if you can just. I wish more people didn't demonize it as. much as they do. And I just feel like. even you know, not to get into religion. because I don't really talk about. religion that much on the podcast. But. you know, even Christianity has taken so. many things from. pagans. And you know, there's just.

there's a whole world out there that if. people just kind of explored it, they. would see that it's not bad and it's not. evil. It's not like what they portray in. the movies. And it's not like good. witch, bad witch. Of course there's bad. people who do bad things with good. things that they're given. But that. doesn't mean that that's how it has to. be. Yeah, but I I guess I. I also enjoy that. it's a.

a scary. idea because. it would then just become. oversaturated and. True. It's you know, I don't know. You. need You need. You need some people to be over on that. side so that Mhm. I always say we're the kids from the. witches that were burned. Word. Your friendship with my husband, I think. is the cutest thing I've ever seen. because he is in desperate need of a.

little brother. Right. And I don't know, maybe you need a big brother, too. >> And he just absolutely loves you and. adores you. Like this man, like he just. he's like Kells, he calls you Kells, and. it's just the cutest thing ever. And he. just really, I don't know. It's like you. guys are just like kindred spirits. I. agree, which is so interesting given. that we started out you know, hating. each other. Yeah, let's talk about it. I you know, that was actually so long. ago. I mean.

uh you know, for the new Jelly fans, I. knew him as a rapper. And for the new. MGK fans. I am a rapper. Um. and. I forgot what. started all of it. I mean, I know me and. Yela. I think it was him just kind of sticking. up for Yela. >> Yeah, me and Yela didn't. >> Cuz that's what my husband. Yeah, I think he's very loyal. And uh it kind of got to a point though. where like a lot of, you know, it was. there was a lot of street [ __ ] and gang.

[ __ ] behind it. Um. on both ends, and I think. if I'm not mistaken, two of our big. homies sold dope together like on. through through from the Ohio to. Nashville {slash} Atlanta connection, and they were both like. Y'all white boys got to chill cuz it's. our business. So. uh I don't think they realize how. intertwined like Ohio, Nashville, and. Atlanta are. >> Yeah, all the [ __ ] Oh, yeah. It's It's. It's It's like this, so. >> that moving to Nashville. I never knew, you know, cuz I'm from the West Coast, so I was just like thought the West.

Coast [ __ ] was going on, never knew. And. then when I moved out to Nashville and. Jay told me about like, you know, the. GDs and Yeah, yeah, the gang culture and. the drug culture between all those like. those those highways are really wild. >> Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. >> So we. with through through that, I mean, there. was always respect on I'm sure, you. know, cuz at the end of the day we were. all putting out hot [ __ ] and you know, the. handful of. the tatted white boys is.

slim to none, you know what I mean? Like. especially at that time, the ones who. had uh you know, made it past a mixtape. buzz, so. you know, uh A lot of ego. Yeah, yeah, but also you kind of you're you're all. just waiting for each other to be like, "Yo, I [ __ ] with you." Right. >> So once that happens. we were locked in cuz obviously then you. you respect each other's G, too, so you. know, cuz you know that. where each other comes from and all. that. And I I'm pretty sure Jelly and I. squashed it through a really drunk.

FaceTime. Yeah. Recently though, right? It was like a year or two ago. >> five No, it was like five, six years cuz. then cuz then the drug the drug. FaceTimes would continue. I remember. right right. I think you had came back to Nashville. to do something with Yela, and we were. going to be in the video, but we weren't. like in town or something. And I think. that's when you guys had squashed it, yeah. >> Right. And that was a tense video shoot, too, cuz that was the first time. me and Yela's people all. like my people and Yela's people all.

were face to face. since the beef was kind of squashed. So. we were all in there like. Yeah, I mean, it was a lot of. a lot of guns, a lot of egos. >> Yeah. I think that was really And every. But everyone put it aside cuz the music. Dude, it's crazy how music brings people. together. And Totally, but I think you. brought up a really good point because a. lot of these beefs could be squashed by. one setting egos aside, but two, all you. you said all we needed to hear from the. other person was that you [ __ ] with. me. And it would have just been, you.

know, like I think a lot of people, especially in the music industry, need. to hear that right now because it's. like, what are we beefing for? And all. we all we want is validation. Yeah. Cuz. And And if you're like me and Jelly, like you you you don't you don't get it. from your parents, so you want it from. somebody else. Yeah. And um that's why I. DM. you know, any artist that I see doing. their thing. whether they be or not, I'm always like. you know, I like this. Yeah. >> Whatever, so. >> I feel like that's what the OGs are. supposed to do to the people that are.

coming up in the game. I feel like you. guys I For you to do that, I think is. awesome cuz my husband does that, too. And I think that just speaks volumes of. your character because not a lot of. people will do that. Yeah, they didn't do it to me. They. still don't do it to me. So I you know, I'm I'm lonely in that sense. Jelly's. one of the few people who. you know, rides for me publicly, which. means a lot. in the. the. the amount of.

authenticity behind how much he says, "I. love this dude." Mhm. speaks for a hundred other people who. can say it half-heartedly, so I And And. I really actually just appreciate the. the hours that we've spent. where my temper is in a different My. temperament is in a different place than. his is. Mhm. Um. and I'm I I you know, I still have this. I love this quote, actually. I'm a quote person, too. I have so many.

of your quotes in here, so if you see me. look down, I'm just looking at these. this pages of notes that I have for you. These cats [ __ ] with me. >> This was something that that uh. Halsey had said to me Mhm. about me. She. said, "A child who grows up in a village. where he wasn't held grows up to burn. the world down so they can feel the. heat.". >> Mhm. That gives me goose bumps. And so a lot. of that. is still so present in my temperament,

and Jelly is. great about. defusing. Defusing. And you know, I'll. have you know, I I I'll have things. where you know, I I I bring to him like, "Hey, I'm mad about this at you.". And he's able to. hold space for it and redirect it. And. it's just And And And. at the same time make me feel. validated for the emotions and feelings. I have.

And then give me a solution as well. So. I. I uh. was really. really lucky to. meet your husband and make a. you know, gain a big brother. Well, he. feels the same about you. And I think this is going to be a. lifelong friendship, and I am here for. it. Thank you. >> you guys compliment each other. So let's. talk about mental health and sobriety. Where's your sobriety journey now? I'm completely sober from from. everything. I don't uh. I don't drink anymore. Um I haven't drank since last August.

And you hold to that cuz I actually. wanted you to have a drinking contest. with my husband, and you were like, "No, I'm sober.". It just kills me cuz I just know I would. have. drank that man. under. >> encouraging it, but if you ever do, please don't. >> hard and the when we were shooting. lonely road, and you know, he rented out. the bowling alley, and the drinks kept. coming. That was That was like probably. like the second night in this process. that I've had where I've ever just been. looking, and it was probably just from. that place of ego where I was just like.

"Jelly, I just want to drink you under. the table.". >> high-ass altitude after I've. been sober. Yeah, and then we showed up. to set the same time the next day, and I. saw his condition, and I saw mine, and I. was like, "I made the right choice.". >> No, literally. He tries to get me to. drink all. It was rough. He showed up, and he was. like. "Bubba, just tell me when Tell me when. the camera's rolling. I'll I'll uh. I'll step out when it when it right when. it's time." He texts me. He's like, "I'm. so [ __ ] hung over." I'm like, >> yeah. I'm like, I love when he does that.

to himself because then it makes he. takes a break from drinking. So I'm. like, "Yeah, you know, have a ball, honey. Do whatever you I said, 'It's. high elevation, so just pace yourself.'". And he's like, "I got this." I'm like, "Whatever.". So you're sober off everything. Is your. mental health better now that you're. sober, or is that when the real battle. has begun? Because I know when I got. sober in 2017. it was sobriety sucks. It was the. hardest journey that I went on because. then I had to get to know know myself. >> Yeah. And that was the real battle. I had to get to know myself without. something in my system.

You know, masking. That was really. I get mad at sobriety a lot. You know, that is that is like a I'm. still in that phase of. of uh. rebelling. Yeah. But. you know, I I I I didn't. tell anybody outside of, you know, the.

closest to me, but I I went to rehab. right when we got off the European tour. last year. And that was my first time I. ever went to rehab. And. man, they just gave me so many. ways to operate the body and show. where this like. anger is coming from and methods to to. quell it. And. um. I'm met with a lot of psychiatrists, some who gave up on me, and many. therapists who did the same. Mhm. But I.

uh. ended up falling into. an awareness of what my condition is, and. have. made peace with it and it's a constant. It's a constant. tightrope walk. Can we speak on what the condition is? That one feels a little too.

brand new for me to confidently. um. say, but perspective. >> been. able to have my art. and. that's kind of where I feel really. comfortable. um. taking out and wood carving, you know, I. like doing that. I like. You can whittle some wood. I can whittle.

some I saw that video you you posted. I. was like, this is crazy. That takes. precision. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's my my grandpa's a. Norwegian. uh woodcarver. It's like Tommy Lee with. the bonsai eyes. >> Where Tommy's called with bonsai eyes. >> with the bonsai eyes. >> Uh. Yeah, what else do I do? Take out my. cats, be a volleyball dad, go on dates. Has Megan been a catalyst in your.

sobriety? I think all my friends I think. everyone is just really Yeah, I mean. absolutely Megan has for sure been. um. extremely helpful in. dealing with the kind of. psychological withdrawals that come with. getting off drugs. Yeah, and being and. being um. accepting that.

having fun isn't. being a. self-medicated or like being. Hm. Dang, sorry. I'm like I'm I'm. bad at answering these questions cuz I'm. like new to. all this. I think you're doing great. I think.

you've crushed this entire interview. Am. I putting you to sleep over there? Absolutely Huh. I just been really happy. seeing everybody. Hm. Right? Like I love that I'm clear when I. look at. you know, the person I love. I'm really. happy that when I'm clear when my. daughter and I are having our. conversations and I'm coming from a. place of. being centered and holding space for.

what. a child needs from their parent, you. know, which is patience and. um. advice that doesn't come from like. I just want to get through this so I can. go and satiate this. desire Yeah, this like. demon in me, you know, like. that's been. a huge reward for me and.

um I give a lot of props. a lot of props to. everyone around me for for never. quitting before I got to this point. because I really hope I'm a lot more of. like a a pleasure to. be around and and. I have. It's funny this is. This is my This is my. my cat that kind of. Your emotional support cat. >> No, this is the This is the troubled.

one. Really? >> me in cat form right here. But every. time you talk about something serious or. like you are kind of like tied up on. your words they they Is it a he or she? >> It's a he. He chimes in. Have you. noticed that? >> Yeah. He's like, I got you. I got you, dad. And he just purred for the first. time in 2 years. So, he was a lot like. how I feel I was where you know, Megan. was. she saw like who I truly was and she was. just waiting for that to be able to come.

out, you know, cuz that's. that's the reward when you have a. soulmate is to be able to be connected. with that person's soul and when you're. blocking it and covering it with all. these things. you aren't able to see it and you know, same goes for. uh you know, Casey one of the biggest. things that killed me in that. relationship was when she would be like, "Dad, I know when you're high.". So. you you that is like the ultimate.

uh. sign of. you like just. disappointment in yourself. And yeah, I. uh. I continue to you know. embrace. that this journey's going to be hard for. me, but. I accept it and forgive myself. um for.

I really don't know. I'm also like. really hard on myself, very. self-deprecating. So, I guess. yeah, I'm just happy that I'm able to. start to. be comfortable enough to show people who. I am cuz I kind of depended on my art to. do that and then you got to understand. that a lot of people aren't going to. listen to the lyrics. >> so. and Jelly inspired me to do that, too. He was kind of like, "Man, you got to. you got to get out there and talk and. show people who you are." I mean, all my. friends Mod.

huge huge advocate for. being like, "Man, I just wish people. could see who I see.". Megan, huge advocate for that. Mod loves. you. He started crying on the podcast. when he was talking about you guys'. friendship. >> I love him to death. Now, I'll sit in. that sunken pit over there and smoke. 30 cigarettes with him at 3:00 a.m. talking about life and bitching about. sobriety and. just you getting it out there and. uh. you know, all all my friends like even.

when Slim came and Ashley's over there. and. all these people that have just been. with me through this whole ride I really. just kind of. want to. I I that that thought of when you die, how will people remember you? I don't. necessarily think it's. "Man, he made great songs." Right. You. want people to be like, "Man, what a. great. you know, what a what a. I could call on that person whenever I. needed something." Like that was That. person was always there for me. But you.

can't be there if your mind is on. Neptune. Mhm. So, that's how they say people will. always remember you for how you made. them feel. Ooh, that's a good one. Yeah, that's how I'm operating right now. I. just like. I just. Yeah. I think you're doing great and I think. >> Dude, I suck at talking. Uh I think I. don't know. You did We did about two and. a We did about 2 hours, right? I think. Yeah, I think you did great. So, wrapping up, what can we expect from you.

moving forward? Cuz you did take it So, are we going back to rap? Are we going. Are we staying in the rock genre? Are we. just going to do whatever the [ __ ] we. feel like doing? I'm doing whatever the I feel like. doing. Attaboy. Country. Let's do country. I'm doing whatever the. I feel like doing. I love rapping. I. love playing my guitar. I love belting out whatever I'm holding. inside and.

senses that. feel like. an explanation of feelings. And. I Yeah, I don't I don't know. I I I. I would honestly say like at this point. nothing I've done will be repeated. So, everything will be new. Hm. Which will. come with some more controversy. Only. this time.

my both my feet are on the ground and. I'm. unstoppable and I also. don't give a. anymore. Art wins. and heart wins and I got both. Let's [ __ ] go. Well, I'm proud of you and Kells I think. you did phenomenal in this interview. Can we get him a round of applause? I. think you did amazing. You did so good and thank you so Dude, thank you for coming on the podcast. I'm.

so happy to have you. >> Thank you. My cats have absolutely [ __ ]. up everywhere. I know you can smell it. I'm so sorry. We chose the room right. next to where the litter box is. >> Totally fine. It was a vibe and we just. loved being here. So, thank you so much. and thank you guys for tuning in to. another episode of Dumb Blonde. We will. see you guys next week. Bye. [Music].